I’ve got Vstrom 650 so I’m a bit of Vstrom man. I’ve ridden the DE a few times and it’s a brilliant bike. That new engine is exceptional. If I had to choose I’d go for the more road focused RE version. It’s a bit lighter and cheaper too. Seat height is lower at 825mm. I would like to try the CF Moto though.
Morning two very nice bikes I think cf moto looks better I think but chocolate camshafts would make me take a back seat and give it a year or two to see how all these sort of off road bikes become well tested then choose the best one if I was in the market for one both nice bikes though ride safe mate
HI all, if I was 10 years younger, this would be a tricky choice, but alas I'm happier on a lighter 500cc Honda nowadays, the one thing I would also consider, will the Suzuki have a better residual value in a couple of years time? Time will tell i guess.
It’s down to personal preference really. Boring old world if we all like the same thing. At those prices the second hand market is going to suffer me thinks.
My big thing living in NZ where Cf Moto have a really good dealer network isn't reliability, we know its good, the big thing is growing fears of china invading Taiwan, experts reckon this will happen around 2027, then you will have trade sanctions and won't be abke to get parts.
How can China "invade" Taiwan? Taiwan is already part of China! Check recognised UN law before you believe US propaganda. That is why there are no foreign embassies in Taiwan ,including US, because it is not a sovereign country.
@@ogasi1798 would you put your $17,500nzd on the line to risk it. They said Russia wouldn't invade Ukraine if they gave up their Nukes but here we are.
I'm tempted but more to go wrong tech wise , true of most bikes. Bikes on my radar at the moment... RE Himalayan 450, Motto Guzzi V7 or V85TT, and the Suzuki GSX8R Twin. A friend has a CFMoto, he loves it, over a year old not probs, but servicing and general bits have been a pain, for him at least. However, out of these two you mention I'd have the established VStrom for sure
If the money was not an issue it would be the Suzuki every time, But the price difference of your mates Vstrom was not that much at all, so if bikes like CFmoto, voge, etc are driving down the prices of mainstream bikes all the better for us. don't get me wrong the CFmoto is a great looking and good value bike, but it is not fair to compare it to the new Vstrom as it doesn't have the same pedigree, engineering or track record as the Suzuki. If your like me and you change your bikes every 2 -3 years the residual values over that period for none mainstream bikes are in most cases staggeringly low. My local dealer would not even take my pristine Mutt 250 scrambler as a PX last year for a new Xmax scooter, hopefully things will change in the future when these bikes have the opportunity to build up a track record
What would I do? Well I'm pretty sure that over the next twelve months or so the prices will rise considerably. The waiting time of six months doesn't offer much chance of a purchase at the level that you've achieved. The MG 3 came in at just under 10k when they first appeared on the market but look at the price now. Anyway, the CF Moto would do me fine they'll not let you down, of course, our dealers of other brands will rubbish them.
If l was still working then as a distance commuter then they look a good tool, but no way for a only bike, zero charm. Do these "beaks" serve any purpose, l think Suzuki started it with the Dr big in the late 80's?
Well presented TBW. A tough call indeed. Personally, I've had an early version CFmoto 650MT & it was extremely cheap, well built for the price but nowhere near the tech of your model. In Australia, it's considered a A2 limited power but ran very well. Ironically, I now have a Suzuki GSX-8S & while it is considerably more expensive, the build quality, brand reputation & resale will be better. But not by much. I do love your version more so. Cheers
Good Morning Dave , it would have to be the CF MOTO , doesn't make since to buy the Suzuki then pay for the extra's , another cracking ride out all the same , take care & ride safe
I’d get the newly released Voge 900. But for now I’ll stick with my tiger 800 at a third of the price because I still can’t afford £9k outright! The European and Japanese manufacturers need to change their pricing approach somehow that’s for certain.
La Suzuki 800 DE est "laide" et son éclairage est nul voir dangereux ! La CF est bien plus belle, son éclairage est spectaculaire et son moteur est jouissif ! Mais après avoir essayé ces deux motos, mon cœur a penché pour la VOGE 900 DSX ;)
I think your comparison with the original Japanese bikes coming to these shores and todays influx of Chinese bikes is a none started. When the Japanese bikes appeared they were competing against many inferior products which routinely leaked oil, were outdated and often troublesome. The elephant in the room is the residual value which has to be considered when making the initial saving upon purchase. The jury is out on that one I’m afraid.
Isn't it a disgrace that Suzuki doesn't make a clearly preferable bike ? The low price may be an argument. BTW, do you really think engine-, brakes- frame quality is at a comparable level ? Most Chinees product used to be made from 'pisbakkenstaal' as we say in Holland (urinals steel) do you think 'ByBrem' wil still work after af few years, does Brembo have anything to do with these or are they just Chinees copies ? For the same money Moto Guzzi offers great durable caracter bikes with shaft-drive that will still work after 30-40 years.
I would choose the Suzuki all day long . The fact the CF has extras makes no odds , I prefer my bikes with as least tech as possible & standard controls . I only ever fit a plastic givi styled top case & use soft luggage & never fit extra electrics like spot lamps , heated grips or sat navs . I might fit engine protection bars & fender & screen extenders . When the Japanese bikes first came out in I960’s unlike the early Chinese bikes , they were more reliable & oil tight from the off than the British & Italian bikes of the time . The only thing letting the Japanese bikes down at the time , was they didn’t handle as well as the Brit or Italian bikes , until around the start of the 1980 ‘s . The CF & other non Japanese badged Chinese produced motorcycles , still have to prove themselves long term for reliability , longevity , quick parts availability & consistent wide dealer network , before they can match the big Japanese four names . Taking a chance with more than 5 grand on a Chinese bike without a Japanese brand name on it , is a big ask on a Chinese brand with no pedigree no matter how good it appears to be . The fact CF moto had some association with KTM ,is hardly any thing to write home about , with their track record .
Hi TBW, really interested in the aftermarket screen , did you fit it that low to the bars with the supplied fixing kit, as i would love to do the same on my CRF 250?
Really enjoyed the film Mr Wheeler….I’d personally go for the Suzuki because of the way it delivers it’s power/torque compared to the CF… Which I did ..Gaza did a great job talking about the DE…I don’t get any vibes through the bars though ? Anyway, take care , great job, stay safe 👍ATB
The Yamaha FJR1300 has twin balancer shafts in the engine. It is no longer available in Europe due to EU stupidity but is still in production in Japan and available in a lot of the rest of the world.
Cfmoto is legit. They are making great bikes at great prices. I'm very happy with my ibex 800t. It's been fantastic all round. For people that don't believe they r good, they need to go try them out at a dealer and see for themselves. They are legit.
Nice video again !. One thing that makes me cringe is seeing someone as big as the Suzuki chap climb onto the bike putting all of his weight onto the sidestand which quite often these days, is bolted directly to the engine case . If bolted to the frame not so bad of course .
I’ve never been called a fat knacker before. Cheers 🤣🤣. Side stand is bolted onto the frame. Never go into a showroom when they are moving bikes about. You’d have an overload !. The only way to get on a tall adventure bike (especially with luggage fitted) is to use the foot peg to get on ( unless you are 20 years young and can lift your foot up to your chin). Stay safe
@@VFRMitch Ha ha, didnt imply you were fat, and you certainly dont look so , just a big lad !. My KTM GT sidestand is bolted to the crankcase and if that broke off it would be a big job to fix. Ride safe too mate, will be checking your channel out.
I'm currently going down the rabbit hole of 800DE or Transalp or 790Adventure...orrrrr now the 2025 Ibex 800 E model. I'm really thinking it might be the Ibex 800E model.
A good indication of value for money is the Guaranteed Future price. Potteries showing after 3yrs, the 800 MT Touring = £4.8k, Suzuki DE = £6k. I suppose it depends on if you're keeping long-term or not. I change every year or two, so id go for the one with best residuals. Both sound like great bikes to have though. Only as as a used proposition the MT would win over the DE.
British motorcycle industry marriage themselves right to the ground. Incompetent management destroyed the company as well as hostile labor unions. They kept shooting themselves in the foot so many times the Japanese had an easy time of taking over. When I bought a Honda the British motorcycle industry was already dead. I bought three of them brand new and I did not care if they had a warranty because they were a Honda. A reliable bike means you don't have to have a dealer Network because you don't have problems to deal with. My CX500 with 250,000 mi before the engine died. I put 36,000 mi on my little cm185 Honda twinstar in the year and a half that I had it. I then purchased my Honda CX500 deluxe. That bike serve me reliably for 10 years.
@@thebingleywheeler perfect? I'm in process of buying a KTM and all people say is their made in china in the CF Moto factory... Well , is that a bad thing x
Hi Dave, I know I’ve asked this before but what’s that wax jacket? It looks like a Merlin of sorts but I’ve just bought a Guzzi and I need a bigger jacket lol so any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
The Suzuki will still be going long after the CF Moto has melted it's cams and all that unnecessary electronic frippery has become out of date and broken.
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It would be the Suzuki for me, especially as all the extras leave me cold, I'm in the less is more camp everytime. My bike has two extras ABS and me.
I’ve got Vstrom 650 so I’m a bit of Vstrom man. I’ve ridden the DE a few times and it’s a brilliant bike. That new engine is exceptional. If I had to choose I’d go for the more road focused RE version. It’s a bit lighter and cheaper too. Seat height is lower at 825mm. I would like to try the CF Moto though.
Morning two very nice bikes I think cf moto looks better I think but chocolate camshafts would make me take a back seat and give it a year or two to see how all these sort of off road bikes become well tested then choose the best one if I was in the market for one both nice bikes though ride safe mate
HI all, if I was 10 years younger, this would be a tricky choice, but alas I'm happier on a lighter 500cc Honda nowadays, the one thing I would also consider, will the Suzuki have a better residual value in a couple of years time? Time will tell i guess.
Both cracking bikes for the money. The consumer has never had so much choice.
It’s down to personal preference really. Boring old world if we all like the same thing. At those prices the second hand market is going to suffer me thinks.
My big thing living in NZ where Cf Moto have a really good dealer network isn't reliability, we know its good, the big thing is growing fears of china invading Taiwan, experts reckon this will happen around 2027, then you will have trade sanctions and won't be abke to get parts.
How can China "invade" Taiwan? Taiwan is already part of China! Check recognised UN law before you believe US propaganda. That is why there are no foreign embassies in Taiwan ,including US, because it is not a sovereign country.
My earlier reply was deleted. So much for Western freedom of speech!
'experts' say a lot of stuff - often wrong
@@ogasi1798 would you put your $17,500nzd on the line to risk it.
They said Russia wouldn't invade Ukraine if they gave up their Nukes but here we are.
For me either the CF moto or the new Voge 900 also looks like a cracking bike.
I'm tempted but more to go wrong tech wise , true of most bikes. Bikes on my radar at the moment... RE Himalayan 450, Motto Guzzi V7 or V85TT, and the Suzuki GSX8R Twin. A friend has a CFMoto, he loves it, over a year old not probs, but servicing and general bits have been a pain, for him at least. However, out of these two you mention I'd have the established VStrom for sure
Hey up, your mate there at 6'4" I bet it's blooming cold up there, bet he's turned the heating on. Joking aside, nice bike.
Visually the CF Moto has it for me, though both bikes are sadly, too tall for my short legs. 👍
Vstrom all the way.the bike is a gem.but i ll wait to see the 2025 tenere
If the money was not an issue it would be the Suzuki every time, But the price difference of your mates Vstrom was not that much at all, so if bikes like CFmoto, voge, etc are driving down the prices of mainstream bikes all the better for us. don't get me wrong the CFmoto is a great looking and good value bike, but it is not fair to compare it to the new Vstrom as it doesn't have the same pedigree, engineering or track record as the Suzuki. If your like me and you change your bikes every 2 -3 years the residual values over that period for none mainstream bikes are in most cases staggeringly low. My local dealer would not even take my pristine Mutt 250 scrambler as a PX last year for a new Xmax scooter, hopefully things will change in the future when these bikes have the opportunity to build up a track record
What would I do? Well I'm pretty sure that over the next twelve months or so the prices will rise considerably. The waiting time of six months doesn't offer much chance of a purchase at the level that you've achieved.
The MG 3 came in at just under 10k when they first appeared on the market but look at the price now.
Anyway, the CF Moto would do me fine they'll not let you down, of course, our dealers of other brands will rubbish them.
If l was still working then as a distance commuter then they look a good tool, but no way for a only bike, zero charm. Do these "beaks" serve any purpose, l think Suzuki started it with the Dr big in the late 80's?
Well presented TBW. A tough call indeed.
Personally, I've had an early version CFmoto 650MT & it was extremely cheap, well built for the price but nowhere near the tech of your model. In Australia, it's considered a A2 limited power but ran very well.
Ironically, I now have a Suzuki GSX-8S & while it is considerably more expensive, the build quality, brand reputation & resale will be better. But not by much.
I do love your version more so.
Cheers
Good Morning Dave , it would have to be the CF MOTO , doesn't make since to buy the Suzuki then pay for the extra's , another cracking ride out all the same , take care & ride safe
For me the CF Moto, both on looks and price. Also the Suzuki looks ugly.
I’d get the newly released Voge 900. But for now I’ll stick with my tiger 800 at a third of the price because I still can’t afford £9k outright! The European and Japanese manufacturers need to change their pricing approach somehow that’s for certain.
Yes…that’s looking to be a great bike, with a huge spec 👍
La Suzuki 800 DE est "laide" et son éclairage est nul voir dangereux ! La CF est bien plus belle, son éclairage est spectaculaire et son moteur est jouissif ! Mais après avoir essayé ces deux motos, mon cœur a penché pour la VOGE 900 DSX ;)
I think your comparison with the original Japanese bikes coming to these shores and todays influx of Chinese bikes is a none started.
When the Japanese bikes appeared they were competing against many inferior products which routinely leaked oil, were outdated and often troublesome.
The elephant in the room is the residual value which has to be considered when making the initial saving upon purchase. The jury is out on that one I’m afraid.
Neither but it may be the 800 MT-X later in the year!
Isn't it a disgrace that Suzuki doesn't make a clearly preferable bike ? The low price may be an argument. BTW, do you really think engine-, brakes- frame quality is at a comparable level ? Most Chinees product used to be made from 'pisbakkenstaal' as we say in Holland (urinals steel) do you think 'ByBrem' wil still work after af few years, does Brembo have anything to do with these or are they just Chinees copies ? For the same money Moto Guzzi offers great durable caracter bikes with shaft-drive that will still work after 30-40 years.
Mmm, tough choice. I’ve got the v strom 650 2016 and I love it. Nearly bought the Royal Enfield super meteor but dealer welched on the part x.
I would choose the Suzuki all day long . The fact the CF has extras makes no odds , I prefer my bikes with as least tech as possible & standard controls . I only ever fit a plastic givi styled top case & use soft luggage & never fit extra electrics like spot lamps , heated grips or sat navs . I might fit engine protection bars & fender & screen extenders . When the Japanese bikes first came out in I960’s unlike the early Chinese bikes , they were more reliable & oil tight from the off than the British & Italian bikes of the time . The only thing letting the Japanese bikes down at the time , was they didn’t handle as well as the Brit or Italian bikes , until around the start of the 1980 ‘s . The CF & other non Japanese badged Chinese produced motorcycles , still have to prove themselves long term for reliability , longevity , quick parts availability & consistent wide dealer network , before they can match the big Japanese four names . Taking a chance with more than 5 grand on a Chinese bike without a Japanese brand name on it , is a big ask on a Chinese brand with no pedigree no matter how good it appears to be . The fact CF moto had some association with KTM ,is hardly any thing to write home about , with their track record .
If you are below 1.80(5.10) dont go for the vstrom.also if you ll never go off road.from the looks,both suck.
Hi TBW, really interested in the aftermarket screen , did you fit it that low to the bars with the supplied fixing kit, as i would love to do the same on my CRF 250?
Really enjoyed the film Mr Wheeler….I’d personally go for the Suzuki because of the way it delivers it’s power/torque compared to the CF… Which I did ..Gaza did a great job talking about the DE…I don’t get any vibes through the bars though ? Anyway, take care , great job, stay safe 👍ATB
Cheers yes both great bikes and I nearly got the Suzuki close call buddy
The Yamaha FJR1300 has twin balancer shafts in the engine. It is no longer available in Europe due to EU stupidity but is still in production in Japan and available in a lot of the rest of the world.
Cfmoto is legit. They are making great bikes at great prices. I'm very happy with my ibex 800t. It's been fantastic all round. For people that don't believe they r good, they need to go try them out at a dealer and see for themselves. They are legit.
Just out of interest? How many km or miles do you have on yours?
Boy, CF Moto's lookin good!
Nice video again !. One thing that makes me cringe is seeing someone as big as the Suzuki chap climb onto the bike putting all of his weight onto the sidestand which quite often these days, is bolted directly to the engine case . If bolted to the frame not so bad of course .
I’ve never been called a fat knacker before. Cheers 🤣🤣. Side stand is bolted onto the frame. Never go into a showroom when they are moving bikes about. You’d have an overload !. The only way to get on a tall adventure bike (especially with luggage fitted) is to use the foot peg to get on ( unless you are 20 years young and can lift your foot up to your chin). Stay safe
@@VFRMitch Ha ha, didnt imply you were fat, and you certainly dont look so , just a big lad !. My KTM GT sidestand is bolted to the crankcase and if that broke off it would be a big job to fix. Ride safe too mate, will be checking your channel out.
I'm currently going down the rabbit hole of 800DE or Transalp or 790Adventure...orrrrr now the 2025 Ibex 800 E model.
I'm really thinking it might be the Ibex 800E model.
A good indication of value for money is the Guaranteed Future price. Potteries showing after 3yrs, the 800 MT Touring = £4.8k, Suzuki DE = £6k. I suppose it depends on if you're keeping long-term or not. I change every year or two, so id go for the one with best residuals. Both sound like great bikes to have though. Only as as a used proposition the MT would win over the DE.
British motorcycle industry marriage themselves right to the ground. Incompetent management destroyed the company as well as hostile labor unions. They kept shooting themselves in the foot so many times the Japanese had an easy time of taking over. When I bought a Honda the British motorcycle industry was already dead. I bought three of them brand new and I did not care if they had a warranty because they were a Honda. A reliable bike means you don't have to have a dealer Network because you don't have problems to deal with. My CX500 with 250,000 mi before the engine died. I put 36,000 mi on my little cm185 Honda twinstar in the year and a half that I had it. I then purchased my Honda CX500 deluxe. That bike serve me reliably for 10 years.
One will be landfill in ten years, the other sill still be trucking. It comes down to ethics in the end.
Suzukis everywhere in the landfill 😂
Fab review, worrying that the vibration niggles have already set in.. not sure where my money 🤑💰 would go xx thanks xx
No vibes on the CF Martine 😎xx
@@thebingleywheeler perfect? I'm in process of buying a KTM and all people say is their made in china in the CF Moto factory... Well , is that a bad thing x
@martinehulme8743 nothing is a bad thing as long as the bike lights your fire….its a short life and it has to be lived 😎
@martinehulme8743 X
Hi Dave, I know I’ve asked this before but what’s that wax jacket? It looks like a Merlin of sorts but I’ve just bought a Guzzi and I need a bigger jacket lol so any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
Yes Merlin Edale was cotton 👍🏻
@@thebingleywheeler thanks for that mate I’ll get one.
Hasn't your bike got better warranty than the VStrom?
The Suzuki has a 7 year warranty !
Suzuki every day of the week
Which ? ...... no thanks chuck £2 more at it and get a Z900RS
Is the z900rs good offroad?
@@slakk5093 As good as they fake offroaders given the right tyres
Completely different bike I think you’ve missed the point altogether 😂
@@thebingleywheeler the point is these are touring bikes posing as off-roader's ,just like suv are car's pretending to be 4X4's
@ironkcirb285 err….no they have a degree of off road capability which would take on a lot of stuff a road bike would not
The Suzuki will still be going long after the CF Moto has melted it's cams and all that unnecessary electronic frippery has become out of date and broken.
You can’t possibly know that….pure speculation
The reply was for the other commentator