@@theodor320 Hey man, here's some videos from actual coaches instead of some guy in TH-cam comments if you want a more nuanced response and insight into it. th-cam.com/video/n8hYHPiixOE/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/vTlF4Njj1e4/w-d-xo.html&start_radio=1&t=0 th-cam.com/video/Lt6OxhEHavQ/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/MFzDzDihjF8/w-d-xo.html
@@TheMassageTeam the dynamic start I'm specifically talking about goes from a deeper knee bend postion with extremely up right torso before the 1st pull to more bent over and more open knee position at moment of bar breaking the floor (watch a vid of toshiki snatching). And my thinking was yes the deeper knee bend prior to lifting lengthens the quads which is what you are saying right. Standing up will shorten the quads as they are contracting concentrically on the upward phase of a squat of course.
I don’t know if you’re serious but just in case, the deadlift is not an explosive movement, you need to start tight and finish tighter, if your hips shoot up at the pull, that’s not an advantage using the hamstring reflex, that happens because the set-up is not correct.
@@davidec.4021 Why wouldn't I be serious? And not only the deadlift, *every* movement is at least somewhat "explosive", as you are always accelerating the weight. And why do you mention shooting the hips up? Did in the video here anyone shoot the hips up prior to starting the lift? Obviously it's the same type of dynamic start as for the clean.
Dupon generally speaking, a dynamic start for a deadlift is not a good move. Except for certain athletes a dynamic start to a deadlift can knock you out of position.
@@Raptor44256 so you think a vast majority of powerlifters are simply doing it wrong? vandypowerlifting.tripod.com/DLstarts.html You think this is all BS?
@@Deurhzd generally grip and rip is a bad idea. Especially with heavy weight. Powerlifting you generally move much heavier weights than in Olympic lifting and at slower speeds. It's just the reality of the sport. And if you use a deadlift specific bar you lose the benefits that it gives when you don't take the slack out of the bar prior to lifting. As far as hips being out of position it will force your spine to not stay neutral. Which will put more stress on the lumbar spine which is not desirable. A little rounding of your thoracic spine isn't exactly desired but a lot of strong deadlifters get a little. And in regards to the dynamic start deadlift the only place I have seen it is by guys at the Arnold Classic on the stage named Brian, Thor, Jerry, etc. Watch real competitive powerlifting and you never see it. So yes it's BS.
@@bsrkoacar8414 makes sense since the deadlift is a lot more of a hip hinge than the clean or snatch deadlift, so the pre stretching of the hamstrings is a lot more valuable
@@JuggernautTrainingSystems idk why but when i have really light weight overhead, i find it hard to balance my snatch squat, but as i go heavy, it becomes easier
Excellent content. Thank you for all the hard work!
I'd really like to see a video like this covering the Deadlift
For the deadlift i think the point are about the same thing
F H Marcellus actually made a video the next day talking about it which is ironic I think his channel is swolefessor
It's literally the same logic for de DL
@@AnthonyHootman which video?
@@Deurhzd most recent. slightly different. calls it "hip shoot"
Thank you Max! Appreciate all your excellent vids! 😁👍 Regular follower here from Manila, PH. 💪🏋️♀️
2:37 One question - regarding the caving in of the knees in the bottom position of the snatch - is that a sign of weakness or okay?
It is, mind your knees
@@pike815 Thanks for the feedback! It's just that I see it quite a lot in both max and sub max lifts from pros to newbies.
@@theodor320
Hey man, here's some videos from actual coaches instead of some guy in TH-cam comments if you want a more nuanced response and insight into it.
th-cam.com/video/n8hYHPiixOE/w-d-xo.html
th-cam.com/video/vTlF4Njj1e4/w-d-xo.html&start_radio=1&t=0
th-cam.com/video/Lt6OxhEHavQ/w-d-xo.html
th-cam.com/video/MFzDzDihjF8/w-d-xo.html
Is the Stretch Shortening Cycle being utilized by the pre-stretch of the hip extensors while using a dynamic start opposed to a static?
What do u think about dynamic from low to high...eg. like toshiki / klokov..my thinking is it pre stretches the quads ?
@@TheMassageTeam the dynamic start I'm specifically talking about goes from a deeper knee bend postion with extremely up right torso before the 1st pull to more bent over and more open knee position at moment of bar breaking the floor (watch a vid of toshiki snatching). And my thinking was yes the deeper knee bend prior to lifting lengthens the quads which is what you are saying right. Standing up will shorten the quads as they are contracting concentrically on the upward phase of a squat of course.
What about the deadlift.
Are there the same pros and cons?
I don’t know if you’re serious but just in case, the deadlift is not an explosive movement, you need to start tight and finish tighter, if your hips shoot up at the pull, that’s not an advantage using the hamstring reflex, that happens because the set-up is not correct.
@@davidec.4021 Why wouldn't I be serious?
And not only the deadlift, *every* movement is at least somewhat "explosive", as you are always accelerating the weight.
And why do you mention shooting the hips up?
Did in the video here anyone shoot the hips up prior to starting the lift?
Obviously it's the same type of dynamic start as for the clean.
Dupon generally speaking, a dynamic start for a deadlift is not a good move. Except for certain athletes a dynamic start to a deadlift can knock you out of position.
@@Raptor44256 so you think a vast majority of powerlifters are simply doing it wrong?
vandypowerlifting.tripod.com/DLstarts.html
You think this is all BS?
@@Deurhzd generally grip and rip is a bad idea. Especially with heavy weight. Powerlifting you generally move much heavier weights than in Olympic lifting and at slower speeds. It's just the reality of the sport. And if you use a deadlift specific bar you lose the benefits that it gives when you don't take the slack out of the bar prior to lifting. As far as hips being out of position it will force your spine to not stay neutral. Which will put more stress on the lumbar spine which is not desirable. A little rounding of your thoracic spine isn't exactly desired but a lot of strong deadlifters get a little. And in regards to the dynamic start deadlift the only place I have seen it is by guys at the Arnold Classic on the stage named Brian, Thor, Jerry, etc. Watch real competitive powerlifting and you never see it. So yes it's BS.
Excellent content great tips for better lifts👍👌👏👊😎
Thanks for the info I wonder about this.
Can this apply to competition deadlift?
I see this is an old comment. But yeah you can, I prefer a dynamic start deadlift
@@bsrkoacar8414 makes sense since the deadlift is a lot more of a hip hinge than the clean or snatch deadlift, so the pre stretching of the hamstrings is a lot more valuable
Awesome videos
Spinal cord injury for static
Is this the crossfit?
Why
Michael Shaleen CrossFit is a brand/company this is Olympic weight lifting
Lol
The guys Overhead Squat is not good. ^^
Still managed to snatch 173kg somehow...
@@JuggernautTrainingSystems Really? o.o The Guy who is snatching around the 50kg barbell the whole video?
Yes, often times the very light weights are a bit harder to move well for very strong people.
@@JuggernautTrainingSystems Awesome. I take back what I said. Have a nice day. :)
@@JuggernautTrainingSystems idk why but when i have really light weight overhead, i find it hard to balance my snatch squat, but as i go heavy, it becomes easier