I've suffered from this type of OCD for around 40 years (from early childhood). Scrupilosity tortured me in every way that can be imagined. I ended up where I am now and with a horrible absolute hatred of god. The gift the church gave me was my continuous contemplation of hell and my evil. Eventually I guess everyone breaks under this load, It's taken 20 years of therapy and a number of trips to the mental hospital just to even seem like a normal man. This disorder turns religion into an executioner. I don't think I can go back to church though. My anger and hatred clouds the issue so much that I can't always have a remotely good conversation with folks. And feeling alone in church is worse torture than I find in the bibles judgements. The bible has brought nothing but shame, confusion, and an empty life where those that might have loved me once, can't really deal with me anymore. Thanks for the presentation. It's very nice to know that it's not just hard for me, but for many others.
I didn't know there was a word for this until yesterday, but it sums me up exactly. Certain scriptures that sound legalistic or uncompromising ("lukewarm" verses, "works" verses, etc.) send me into a paralyzing panic just like this. I was nodding along hard with the part about avoiding church. I'm afraid I will hear something that doesn't make sense and will lead me to obsessively trying to find a concrete answer, which heightens my sense of doubt. God has pulled me out of these spirals before with promises that he calls us into "rest," that these feelings are not of him and are not convicting me to "DO BETTER." But it is hard to believe when you're in the middle of a sort of anxiety attack about it. Thankful that there are other people who understand the struggle!
You're far from alone. I came from once believing and then believing 4 years later after fearing Hell, so Hebrews 6:4-6 used to be on my mind quite a bit, but I try to remember that I wouldn't be back to where I am if God didn't draw me back. I have to remember a verse in my head everytime I have an irrational scrupulous thought, but if I make it to Heaven and meet Jesus, my family, etc. it'll all be worth the battle.
Thanks for these videos. I listened to the four of them yesterday. I appreciated how you said, "If someone you know is struggling with scrupulosity, DON'T start hashing out the issue with them." I've been waffling on whether or not I struggle with this for years now, or if this is the way I'm supposed to be. I saw a therapist for a while, and he concluded our sessions with (essentially) "Just avoid all the things that make you feel uncomfortable. Maybe God is calling you to a stricter lifestyle." I also called a Christian counseling network and asked if they knew of anyone in my area who specialized in scrupulosity. The person had no idea what I was talking about. He asked me to spell it and asked if it was a real thing. So, thanks for getting the word out.
Thank you so much for making this video. It is so helpful to hear and understand scrupulousity. I am not Catholic, but I have a history of OCD. After overcoming various compulsions that I struggled with, this is a new theme that I am dealing with. Thank you again for posting this resource out there. It really helps me to battle religious OCD.
My xwife has this 100% and my son has learned it from her recently. She would get a un godly thought in her head and immediately pray and all else in life means nothing. Constant need to say amen 20 times while in a trancelike state. When asking in depth what is going on in her mind, she says while praying a "Thought" pops in her head and she related that thought as the devil interupting her prayers to got which takes another 20 minutes for her to feel that god knows her actual thoughts and those "other" thoughs are not hers. This ripped my family apart and is continuing to tear down my family.
It's true that scrupulosity is so common, and yet so unknown. There are some resources for the scrupulous, but they are limited and difficult to find. I think it would be helpful for scrupulous people if priests, etc. had training about dealing with scrupulous people. I had sever scrupulosity, and a priest who had had experience with scrupulous people helped me a lot.
These are some good points. However, I think that a lot of the things you mentioned were not scrupulosity in itself, but rather causes, effects, etc. of scrupulosity.
At almost 3 minutes, I'm thinking "Suffers from not-getting-to-the-pointocity". Also, waiting to hear the distinction between "obsessive" religious believe and religious belief.
I've suffered from this type of OCD for around 40 years (from early childhood). Scrupilosity tortured me in every way that can be imagined. I ended up where I am now and with a horrible absolute hatred of god. The gift the church gave me was my continuous contemplation of hell and my evil. Eventually I guess everyone breaks under this load, It's taken 20 years of therapy and a number of trips to the mental hospital just to even seem like a normal man. This disorder turns religion into an executioner. I don't think I can go back to church though. My anger and hatred clouds the issue so much that I can't always have a remotely good conversation with folks. And feeling alone in church is worse torture than I find in the bibles judgements. The bible has brought nothing but shame, confusion, and an empty life where those that might have loved me once, can't really deal with me anymore. Thanks for the presentation. It's very nice to know that it's not just hard for me, but for many others.
I didn't know there was a word for this until yesterday, but it sums me up exactly. Certain scriptures that sound legalistic or uncompromising ("lukewarm" verses, "works" verses, etc.) send me into a paralyzing panic just like this. I was nodding along hard with the part about avoiding church. I'm afraid I will hear something that doesn't make sense and will lead me to obsessively trying to find a concrete answer, which heightens my sense of doubt. God has pulled me out of these spirals before with promises that he calls us into "rest," that these feelings are not of him and are not convicting me to "DO BETTER." But it is hard to believe when you're in the middle of a sort of anxiety attack about it. Thankful that there are other people who understand the struggle!
You're far from alone. I came from once believing and then believing 4 years later after fearing Hell, so Hebrews 6:4-6 used to be on my mind quite a bit, but I try to remember that I wouldn't be back to where I am if God didn't draw me back. I have to remember a verse in my head everytime I have an irrational scrupulous thought, but if I make it to Heaven and meet Jesus, my family, etc. it'll all be worth the battle.
Thanks for these videos. I listened to the four of them yesterday. I appreciated how you said, "If someone you know is struggling with scrupulosity, DON'T start hashing out the issue with them." I've been waffling on whether or not I struggle with this for years now, or if this is the way I'm supposed to be. I saw a therapist for a while, and he concluded our sessions with (essentially) "Just avoid all the things that make you feel uncomfortable. Maybe God is calling you to a stricter lifestyle." I also called a Christian counseling network and asked if they knew of anyone in my area who specialized in scrupulosity. The person had no idea what I was talking about. He asked me to spell it and asked if it was a real thing.
So, thanks for getting the word out.
A lot of feelings of guilt can come from narcissistic, abusive parents.
Thank you so much for making this video. It is so helpful to hear and understand scrupulousity. I am not Catholic, but I have a history of OCD. After overcoming various compulsions that I struggled with, this is a new theme that I am dealing with. Thank you again for posting this resource out there. It really helps me to battle religious OCD.
My xwife has this 100% and my son has learned it from her recently. She would get a un godly thought in her head and immediately pray and all else in life means nothing. Constant need to say amen 20 times while in a trancelike state. When asking in depth what is going on in her mind, she says while praying a "Thought" pops in her head and she related that thought as the devil interupting her prayers to got which takes another 20 minutes for her to feel that god knows her actual thoughts and those "other" thoughs are not hers. This ripped my family apart and is continuing to tear down my family.
It's true that scrupulosity is so common, and yet so unknown. There are some resources for the scrupulous, but they are limited and difficult to find. I think it would be helpful for scrupulous people if priests, etc. had training about dealing with scrupulous people. I had sever scrupulosity, and a priest who had had experience with scrupulous people helped me a lot.
Thank you so very much for this 🤯😁
OCD is awful and I fully believe that there is a physical cause
These are some good points. However, I think that a lot of the things you mentioned were not scrupulosity in itself, but rather causes, effects, etc. of scrupulosity.
At almost 3 minutes, I'm thinking "Suffers from not-getting-to-the-pointocity". Also, waiting to hear the distinction between "obsessive" religious believe and religious belief.
Since god never actually appears and tells us directly, all we have is other peoples'opinions on what they think sins are.
God became Incarnate and dwelled among us. His Name is Jesus Christ.
You have the teaching of Jesus Christ Who is God.
religion, the cancer of the mind