Best of best resource I have ever found online during my 3-day research on shingles! You did an outstanding work! I was struggling among OC Duration, GAF Timberline, and CertainTeed. Now you are the ONLY one giving out non-BS info/data. THANKS!
Yeah curious who did you go with. I'm in the same boat. Need to decide by next Friday lol. Between GAF timberline hdz Owen's corning duration cool and landmark Solaris.
I've made the decision to switch to CertainTeed Landmark, I've installed Tamko for the past 5 years, this video really helped back up my decision, thank you.
Very good information, I am a roof consultant and my first goto shingle is always Malarkey, I wasn't surprised by your results. This is a good reminder to my clients who are looking for good roofs not more problems.
Top 3 make perfect sense, all good quality. I would be curious to see a real life audit of 5 to 10 year old installs. Sample several as you travel the country to see how climate and age impact performance and appearance. There are clearly fans of various brands represented in the RI community. As always, great video for contractors and homeowners.
"We believe that if the shingle has major problems with the granule loss in the beginning, most likely in the lifetime, it's also going to be the case." Would you say that granule loss reduces the longevity of a shingle? If so, then from a homeowner's perspective, this is a very important rating category. Perhaps it should be weighted higher than some of the others. Perhaps you should have more than one overall rating system: one for the shingling company and another for the homeowner. Or maybe add a rating system based on overall durability of the shingle, using the factors that contribute to that. Thanks again for this video. Very well done.
If manufacturers cant keep granules on shingles immediately after install how can we trust they will stay later? We trust those who made granules to stay out of the box more, just common sense
Excellent review comparison! Today just had Owen Corning Duration installed and this review confirmed my wise choose. The driftwood color is beautiful. The Polish roofing company I used strongly recommended OC Duration, and they (and you) were right!
GAF's lack of a backbone to be reviewed and compared to other shingle manufacturer's products, automatically takes them out of the running for my re-roof job coming up. So, take that GAF!!!! I'm also looking for a Green color, so that knocks others out of the contest too!
GAF not invited for same reason GAF won't respond to roofers asking why they don't list particular specificiations in their literature, for the same reason GAF had to deal with a class action lawsuit. GAF does, however, do well at spending more money than any other manufacturer at advertising that they are the "number one shingle". Not saying I won't install Timberline and warranty it if a customer asks for it, I will, it will work. Just saying it's not my go-to (I like Malarkey other than the fact that you just can't get any in California, lately).
I agree with you on Granule Loss rating. My roof is eleven years old IKO Cambridge Architectural Shingles, I still have to clean the rain gutter twice every year due to high granule loss. I won't use the product again. I recently found a tap of the shingles at an edge blown away due to high wind.
I called Erie metal roofs. When they came instead of selling me a metal roof. They brought two guys out to gang up on me, to pressure me into buying there Asphalt roof. The cost for the asphalt roof was almost 10 times as much as my original roof 21years ago. And they were putting a second layer. Without a Tear off!
I have Duration on my roof for almost 11 years. Three hurricanes, Irma, Elsa, and Ian. Elsa was not too powerful, more rain than wind. I have not lost a single shingle, not even during Ian eventhough my home was flooded out by storm surge. My only complain is granule loss. There is tons of it, and you can see the shingle color change due to granule loss. It is so bad that I don't see the roof lasting another 5 years. There is no blistering or hail damage to blame.
I think a wind test would be fun. I love what you do you inspire me to run my company the best way possible. Which is why i have the best reputation in my area, and keeps us booked months out all year long!
They all pass wind test when brand new. Harder to do it when it’s one year on the roof. Because it’s this year test, wind test would be last years lol. But will keep thinking about how to do it
I will hand it to this gentleman he did cover a lot. He also missed a lot as well. The test appears to be missing many other aspects of the shingle and its performance. I'm familiar with most and have had installed most as well. Region has a lot to do with performance or the lack there of. First question for my friend at Insight is in the weight category. Why are we testing per bundle when we are talking per square weights? Lets redo the test and randomly pick bundles from different pallets of material and maybe different manufacturing dates. 2nd question is in the nail zone category. I see wide zones and I see narrow zones. If we look at the profile of the shingle especially where the shingle is mated or overlapped (where its to be nailed for manufacturers warranty to be valid) we see various overlaps (some small and some actually as wide as the front nail zone which appears). Some manufacturers add a tape strip to help with uplift which contractors are selling as better with high winds? I'm not so sure. Corpus Christi's storm of 2017 didn't discriminate on what shingle was installed. In your opinion Mr. Insight whats a better system? Hand nailed or pneumatically nailed. Maybe give me a few reasons why or why not. What is a pull test supposed to prove again? I see a lot of 3-tab roofs(supposedly inferior) that I'm sure would fail pull tests but are still performing quite well. What are we really testing here? I feel some manufacturers have skewed or manipulated our understanding of what a roofing shingle should do. Maybe this is why GAF didn't respond. Let apologize for that last comment. I'm sorry. Lets move on to count and consistency. Tell me if I'm wrong but why are the manufactures selling squares of material (list above tested)in 3 bundles per square instead of 4. The inconsistency could be eliminated. When I break something into thirds it doesn't work out evenly. Are we educating the public or shoveling ____? Moving on to granule loss. How many months or years in fact has this test been in affect for your results? I hope that opening up a bundle and inspecting what was left in the plastic bag wasn't what you used for this test. Why is this test even relevant? Maybe lets test the granules (Algae version, Solar reflective) themselves or maybe the bonding adhesive. Do all manufacturers use their own components or do they sell to other manufacturers. Lets test the fiberglass mat and the differences each manufacturer uses. Lets test the asphalt and who uses the most filler so they need gimmicks to sell their shingles. I'm sorry again for running my mouth. Why should the consumer pay for an additional warranty? Some manufacturers are going directly to the roofing contractor and offering some sort of ridiculous status as a Super Duper roofer that can offer a Super Duper warranty that the consumer must pay for. Don't the manufacturers believe in their product and think that their standard warranty will hold water? Most consumers move before the warranty is over. Wait did I just figure out what some Roofing manufacturers are BANKING on. Why can't the manufacturers place a warranty on the roofing shingle installed no matter how many occupants? Mr. Insight I appreciate all your dedication and insight. I do feel your service is good and could be better. Keep up the good work! A former roofer.
Iko granular loss is so bad that it’s very slippery and dangerous to install. Gutters are full of granules by the time an install is done. Granules are also what protects your shingles from the sun. So yes it is a relevant thing to test for. Read into how malarkey shingles are made and you will see why it is number one. This test is spot on.
Great info!!! One point given for all comparisons. Highest priorities for me are: sealant Pull test Nail zone Granule loss Warranty Performance, durability and performance. Thanks
We live in the SW US and GAF is by far number one in sales. However, both Malarkey and PABCO are gaining ground because lots of folks have had a poor experience with GAF. TAMKO is sold here but it is used mostly for commercial construction like apartments as well as new construction. We had a 100 year hail storm in 2016 and literally everybody got a new roof at the exact same time. My neighbor and the guy across the street each bought Class IV GAF Timberline. I bought PABCO Premier 40 which are still on the roof. My neighbor and the guy across the street have since had to replace the GAF Class IV from a few very minor hail storms; they both bought GAF's cheapest Timberline 30 year AR shingle to replace a 3 year old GAF Class IV. How many times do you have to be hit in the head to know it hurts??? . If I had to do it again, I would buy PABCO or Malarkey. Haven't heard anybody complain about either of those. A neighbor that bought ATLAS Class IV in 2016 has also had pretty good luck.
Malarkey is really thin like gaf where pabco has hardly made any changes except granule cut an adhesive all shingles these days after about 90 degrees the seal strip sticks to the plastic on the back of the shingle
As a @malarkeyroofingproducts certifed installer, no surprise to me. No surprise on the Shamko rating either, pure garbage. Great job! Thanks for the effort!
Thanks for feedback! Roofing shingles look similar, but only certified installers who deal with shingles daily can tell the real difference between Malarkey and Tamko. Yet many roofers still will tell you that "all shingles are the same"
This is an outstanding video. However, not sure why you need GAF to respond to you. Wouldn't you just evaluate them against the others independent of their contact? Main reason I came here was to see your opinon on GAF vs Certainteed. Those are the two main brands used in my area by roofers, followed by Owens-Corning.
I just had Corning Duration shingles installed on my bungalow in Canada. I chose Onyx black and they look great. I picked a small piece off the ground when they were Installing and could not break it. I could see the fiberglass in there. Great underlay too. i'm glad I went with the corning.
Thanks for your vids...very informative. More people should watch them before they make uninformed decisions. Its like buying a car..you can't return it. Thanks again.
Thanks for posting this video. I am getting ready to sign a contract with a roofer and they suggested Malarkey as the better option and Tamko as the cheaper option. I had never heard of either shingle. Your video hellped reinforce my decision. Be well.
We have been in business for 43 years, and the 3 owners have a combined 95 years of INSTALLATION EXPERIENCE because we install with our employees on a daily basis. We have used Tamko for 43 years. These are lab test results. Go do a field test study of 20 year old roofs and talk to installers with 30+ years experience and your results would be VERY different. Local wind storm proved that Tamko's sealant was much better than other brands. If you have ever installed these brands on a daily basis, Tamko Heritage shingles lose less granules when installing in extreme heat, AND are more pliable and break less when installing in extreme cold. The only thing I agree with is the nail zone, which could be better, but if you have good installers who actually get the nails in the nail zone, and because of Tamko's proprietary sealant, which is the best in the industry, your shingles will not go anywhere! Tamko makes one of the best shingles despite this study!
Great informational video. I discovered an apartment building I own in North Idaho needed a new roof unexpectedly. I needed to educate myself on roof shingles and their installation process. I really enjoyed your information and presentation. Your comparisons have certainly helped me pinpoint my contractor and materials. Please keep it up and we need to get a Directorii contractor in North Idaho.
I don't have a problem with how you did your testing and I have my opinion and I rely on what our roofers say since they install these products every day. They rate the OC Duration way above the Landmark and I'm a CT fan or at least used to be. I was one of the top sellers of the Malarkey products since 1992 in the Denver Front Range area up until 2013 when the contractor I sold for had a negative bias for Malarkey but they were a cheap minded company. The tear test is an interesting test, I would like to see more of that alone and can it be done differently, probably. Wind tunnel tests would be a good video to produce. Thanks for all your effort none the less.
Malarkey has always preformed well. I have lost 1 Malarkey shingle in 36 years, the winds exceeded 130 mph just after installation. Certainteed is the only shingle i have seen blow off twice in 2 years and both roofs were installed excellently, i had to go back later and hand tab the entire 60 square roof after Certainteed bought the home owners a brand new roof.
I have not used this shingle yet. I have used other "solar shingles" . They were a little cooler but the color was frosty and muted. Malarkey only makes shingles and roofing underlayments . I trust them and their products , their tech support is excellent. Thanks for the reply.
@@chrisginoc for what its worth, I had a roofer bring by some full sized shingle samples so I could examine them.. a certainteed, malarky vista and ecoasis.. I tried the roll up test on all of these, rolling them tight, tar side out, like a burrito.. then unrolling and examining how well they held up...the certainteed cracked in alot of places and showed damage when unrolled on the granule side as well as on the black tar side... the ecoasis also cracked when rolled up..not good and Not like any tests ive seen online where they were damage free... lastly, i did the vista..it felt noticeABLY more flexible than the other 2 which seemed similiar in granules and construction but the vista seemed a different animal... more flexible, granules adhered much better and it had the least damage, almost none,when unrolled... In the shingles defense, I did the test in about 70 degree temps...I have a feeling, the online tests where done by leaving the shingles out in the sun to get hot, then folding them...my tests were torturous to those shingles...after rolling up, i stood on them, then unrolled... painful for the roofer to watch and he was impressed with the results... me, less so becuz I was expecting No damage at all... he said any normal asphalt shingle would break under that test.
Yeah, I think nailing flange and granular lost should be more weighted in the total, as they are big issues that the companies don't end up covering, and you end up fighting with them to get no where.
To me this is like comparing Coke, Pepsi, and RC Cola. Depends on individual preference and experience. All the laminated shingles as far as I know are made roughly the same way, but I guess some variation in their exact specifications and quality control. Class 4 being a bit of an exception since they are subject to some additional impact testing.
So informative. I want a blue shingle which is very limiting. Malarkey and Atlas are out. I was leaning toward the Iko Dynasty, but now I'm second guessing that. OC Duration might be the winner. Although it seems a lot of roofers are fans of Certainteed. I hate making grown up decisions.
You reviewed IKO Dynasty, but for the 1 star granule loss section you said it was for Cambridge. Did you just misspeak on that? I recently ok'd my roof to be done next month with IKO Dynasty. The Cambridge line gets a bad rep and I think that blends into why the online reputation is bad for IKO too. Cause it's based on Cambridge. Everything I've read and watched, including some of your prior videos, suggest Dynasty is a pretty solid product. Thanks for taking the time to make videos and pass along information. You really helped a small common homeowner like myself make a decision a few weeks ago!
I believe that was a misspeak. I also don't believe the granule loss category makes sense. The excess "carrier" granules in a bundle are overspray and didn't come off the shingle. They were never on there to begin with. The shingles themselves are completely coated. Probably money lost by the manufacturer, but its not granule loss. That can happen, but its after years on the roof. It shows as shiny spots on the roof when so many stones come off, you can see the fiberglass mat.
What happens to the overall ranking if you rank them in each category? E.g. if company A outperforms all competition in granule loss they get a 5 but they're on par with everyone else in pull test they might still get a 5. It seems like ranking in each might add weight to certain elements where a company can drastically outperform its competition. As usual, great insight from you. Keep it up!
it's been almost five years now, seeing "someones" driveway covered in granule from every heavy rainfall, i'm thinking their shingles have no life left in them. Thanks for the info. this might come in handy within the next ten years. cheers!
Really liked your review. The only thing that would have helped me is if you weighed the different categories. In other words, for example if weight would be weighed 70% while online ratings might be weighed 30%, if could change your final rating.
Im going to guess that the only shingle that sealed indoors within 1 day was OC. Their sealant is super sticky. I've had a few occasions in the past where a customer adds a tankless water heater or something else a few weeks after roof replacement and when I go back to cut in and slide in the vent, both OC and Atlas are stuck solid and take a little extra effort and care to pull up. Most other brands are well sealed, of course, but come right up with an easy hatchet swipe.
@@justinomora6678 I've only ever used Vista AR from Malarkey but their sealant is great. If I remember correctly, Vista and their other polymer modified shingles were the only shingles around that could be installed below 40°F. This mostly has to do with being polymer modified I'm sure, but they must be doing something right with sealant as well.
Thanks for the education. Too bad GAF isn't on your list. It's what I have overhead now. However, a hail storm and Google search brought me here and I think I'll choose either OC or Malarkey for my next roof. One other category you might consider for next time is "Value". Is an upgraded nail zone worth the upgrade in price? Perhaps Tamko may get another star for striking a good balance between cost and quality. I saved $5000 because I chose not to get the sunroof and wheel upgrade option on my truck. It wasn't worth it to me.
Thank you for the video! This coming Tuesday I have one of your guys in your directory coming out to give me a quote on a sheathing removal and re-roof with O.C Duration. I'm in Illinois so we'll see how it goes. Thank you for the directory too! Keep educating us.
I use OC Only but I respectfully disagree with duration having a good nailing zone. Their nailing zone does not grab both of the upper layer and lower layer for the whole inch. It’s only half an inch. And even if the fabric strip is one inch it doesn’t grab the two layers of shingles if you nail in the upper second half of the fabric strip. That creates a grip only on one layer of shingle and the fabric which is not ideal. The ideal would be to be able to make the second layer go the full one inch. That way you grab 3 layers which is the two layers of shingle and the fabric.
With sure nail it doesn’t have to grab common bond area. Most shingles have wider area to nail VS their common bond area. Look at certanteed for example. Same thing, 1/2” commons bond and 1 1 1/2 where you can nail. But no sure nail strip. Rips right off. Two best shingles in pull test are IKO and OC and both perform better than the rest even if you nail not in common bond. It will outperform other brand even if they installed in common bond and OC will only install in shingle layer. OC strip still a game changer no one can compete with .
That’s what OC says but in the real world not grabbing both of the layers in the common area makes it less reliable than it could be. It definitely has more potential but I don’t understand why they don’t extend the bottom layer the whole 1 inch. Being one of the best out of all the rest doesn’t necessarily mean is good enough
That’s not what OC says, that’s what numbers say. Numbers don’t lie. Try it yourself. Install certanteed in common bond and OC above and try to pull it. Oc will perform better but in your book it’s not right. Sometimes you have to think outside the box.
Roofing Insights yes that what OC SAYS. I’ve heard it from them many times. It’s their speech. And yes it may be stronger than certainteed but my point is: it’s so stupid to only marry the two layers half an inch short. Why not the whole inch. Like I said it may be good or better than other shingles but doesn’t mean it is good enough. If it had the two layers all the way the whole inch than it Would have three layers instead of two.
Great info, at the end of the day the product is only as good as the installation and 2 roofs with the same shingles can have very different lifespans based on instillation which is always gonna be the wild card!!
O.C duration is hands down the best shingle on the market best warranty out there by far we are a platinum preferred contractor and O.C stands tall when it come to the professionals that get accepted into to this elite group ask my man Rodney Webb
I’m preferred with OC as well but Malarkey is equal to duration. Malarkey vista is best shingle on the market as far as price/performance. OC needs to come out with a class 3 to compete. Class 4 is a tough sell for most people due to price.
New England rankings. Certainteed Landmark premium & Certainteed Northgate both #1.Certainteed landmark pro #2 GAF Ultra #3 Certainteed Landmark #4 GAF HDZ # 5 then there’s all the rest of the mediocre brands. Atlas, Owens Corning, IKO, TAMKO
@@RoofingInsights3.0 Hi, My contractor is recommending the GAF Timberline so it would have been nice to see how they do in your tests )-: Roof will be done this summer so maybe there is a chance you will hear from them by then.
How can Tampko score a 5 on granule loss? A 7 year old Tampko shingle will look like its been pummeled by hail when there has been no storms at all. IKO shingles have the weakest seal strip in the roofing business, 90% of my wind repairs are IKO shingles. OC runs about 93% of a square per 3 bundles and have become a lighter shingle since they have become a big box store staple. CertainTeed Landmarks are built like tanks.
One last area of comparison that I would be highly interested in is discoloration. I know you can't simulate aging too easily on brand new shingles, but if you went back to 10 year old jobs, which brands do the best with regard to maintaining their color? (I ask because Atlas really pushes the fact that they hav scotchguard, yet in their age progression tool, they show their own shingles getting MUCH darker in just 3 years.)
So I just had the CT LANDMARK PRO MAX DEFINITION installed by a reputable roofing contractor. I love the looks and it comes with a great warranty, how would it have performed in the same rating system/test? I watch alot of your videos and have learned alot of great best practices while doing so, THANKS
The only issue I have with duration is that the SureNail strip isn't over the common bond area. If you look at it from the side, about half of strip is over common bond and half is over only the top of the shingle. OC says as long as nail is in strip they will warranty it, and they did. I had a few shingles split in half on a 14/12 section of a roof once that were nailed in the top of the nail strip either all the way across shingle or on one end of shingle. OC came out, looked, and warrantied it but it left me a little uneasy that their literature photos show the strip properly but their manufactured product, no matter the color, is always off of the common bond by about 1/4"
I agree the nail has to be in the bottom half of the strip to hit the 3/4” common bond area. With the dynasty IKO wants you to nail above the common bond so the nail hits there strip. Doesn’t make sense. The only shingle that has 1 1/4” common bond. Most other manufacturers only have a 3/4” common bond in reality.
Pabco should have a 5* rating in weight. 4 bundles per sq heavily outclassing all the other shingles. I think it comes out to roughly 235 lb a square. Everyone else is sub 210
THANK YOU SOOOO MUCH!!!! 🙌 Your video helped me make my decision on which Company to choose for my roofing job on my home 😁 Excellent Presentation 👏👏👏 Well Done!
I’ve used Owens Corning twice in the last 5 years & they’re the only shingle I’ll tell people to stay away from..Granules come off & they scar “extremely easy.” CertainTeed is my “current” favorite, Presidential TL & Landmark TL were the main shingles we used “Until” the Cool Roof dictate in Los Angeles & now we primarily use the standard dimensional lifetime gaf or CertainTeed shingles since that’s what the customer wants..Too bad..
The new environmental codes not only require Cool roofs but now we are mandated to go to specific recycling dumps that are more expensive & sometimes far from the job, in addition we now need a new Trash Haulers License to even take debris to a dump or face fines and four times a year we have to fill out a detailed accounting of the tonnage recycled , where we took it ect..The far Left Progressive polices of our major, LA City council & Governor have transformed Los Angeles into a haven for the homeless, mentally ill & encouraged a criminal element that has fundamentally changed Los Angeles..
I have to replace my roof due to Hurricane Laura and the roofers I have spoken to are all installing OC or Certainteed. Should I reach out to manufacturers to find installers of Malarkey or Atlas?
I would be one of those salespeople! Based on everything I learned OC is my choice because of the high score and overall look. Thanks for all you are sharing!
Dmitry, will you please test high end SBS+class 4 rated shingles? A lot of opportunities for sales upgrades here and these products are a LOT better than the standard stuff.
Thanks so much for the information, decisions, decisions but your work certainly is making it easier. Thanks so much. We just had a roofer start a quote for us today, he generally goes with Tamko or Atlas, makes me slightly nervous to hear he uses Tamko after seeing your review but maybe it's a 3.7 meal vs the 4.6. If the price is the same I'll probably God willing be going with the Atlas indeed. Thanks so much. He's been doing it for years and mentioned how much grit comes right out of the bags of the GAF and mentioned that he wonders how much stays on the shingle and that it is also dangerous which I believe I heard you mention in either this video or a previous one. Thanks again, great, great stuff. One thing that seems to be a big up seller at least around here and I'd love to hear your thoughts and comments on it is 15, 30lb felt vs ice/water shield over the entire roof etc, one area the roofer didn't think was worth it with architectural shingles for the most part which I appreciated his honesty. Hopefully he is right. Yikes, lastly he didn't really suggest adding a "roof vent, we do have a gable attic fan but I'm wondering if it's really enough and if a ridge vent really might be worth it. Thanks again, great, great job!!
I almost bought Erie shingles . They were a very expensive shingle . That claimed a 30 year warranty but reading the fine Print it was nowhere near that. Why weren't they in your Video?
Thank You For your hard work.. Malarky is not available here. Atlas is.. OC contractor here , I installed my first New atlas shingle last year. Before Atlas Chalet Shingle Failed miserably here.
Thanks for the product testing info !! I'm going with Malarkey,, Pabco and Malarkey are the only shingles sold locally , it's a 75 mile round trip to get any other brand., Not a fan of CT shingles, installed more then my fair share of CT fiberglass shingles back in the day, they don't seem to hold up well, to soft !! I Like the OC brand, but have to make that 75 mile round trip, but those suppliers always have a problem with not enough color choice and bundle count,, So as a DIY'er it's Malarkey :)
Hey you are doing great job educating homeowners and contractors roofer’s, please keep informing the public , many homeowners do not check the product before buying , Thanks for your information 👏
When I saw your 5-star rating for the IKO sealant strip, I was surprised, since there are some online complaints about failures of the IKO sealant strip. My theory is that it's again a reflection of the excessive granule loss on the IKO shingles. (I would expect that if there are loose granules between two new shingles during installation, they will be harder to seal, regardless of the quality of the sealant strip.) You probably didn't test for that in your controlled testing.
Funny to get this recommend. Just had my roof teared up and replaced. About 17sq with gaf timberland for 9k in the North East. Every tells me i got an amazing deal.
I don’t think you guys should tell the, they got a bad deal as a roofer I hate someone making assumptions before there’s any details how many layers were on roof, was decking in good condition, were there any skylights, etc... I’d say between 7k-10k depending on work performed is fair anyone doing it for less than 6k is either a weekend warrior or starting off in roofing also possibly super broke.
My existing roof is covered with clay tiles (bearing fine crack lines now) and need roofing. I would like to replace with shingles but the contractor I consulted said it cannot be done because of the pitch of my roof. Need your expert advice. Thank you.
Thank you for the shingle evaluation. It has been very helpful as I try to decide which brand and contractor to go with. In the South, shingle streaking from algae is a problem. The Atlas Pinnacle Pristine has a lifetime algae warranty. Some of the others only warranty against streaking for ten years. Why did you not rate resistance to streaking?
Landmark is not their bottom line. We set with manufacturers and agreed on all main lines products. They have higher grades, we tested most popular (best sellers) in the same dollar category.
Agreed with Thomas 100%. Certainteed 4th place? In which world are you living? Compare Certainteed Landmark PRO to O.C Duration or anything in the market place. Also it should be noted Dmitry the shingles your company installs are Owens Corning wether you think it's biased or not you maybe should let the "homeowners" know. You personally wouldn't eat at a 3.7 rated restaurant? Really? You do not have the years of experience on roofs to see what has failed over the years. Also WARRANTIES ...Have a language specialist explain to you how they are not all created equal. You keep saying IKO and others are larger but that's not good at all. More exposure to the weather and easier wind lift. That's why when you get to a 4 pitch we do a 4in exposure to the weather. Most shingles are pretty close in manufacturing but most roofers are not! Keep up the fight!
@@RoofingInsights3.0 Landmark absolutely is Certainteed entry level (bottom line if you insist) laminated shingle and still is better than most other middle of the road(or upgraded) manufacturers laminated shingles. 5 1/2 in. to the weather not 6 in.
I live in the Space Coast area of Florida and I am trying to decide between OC Duration and Certainteed Landmark as they are the main brands most contractors in my area install..I like the weight of the Landmark, the warranty of the Duration. This is not an insurance claim roof replacement and it is not my forever home. Thoughts?
Well was going to go with the dynasty, but after watching this I’ll Definitely go with malarkey, especially since they are only made a couple hours away 👍
Excellent review 👏 👌 👍 🙌 Excellent, thanks a lot, if I new or so read this I would be having a piece of mind. I just got Tamco, on my roof 😐, I will get ready for legal action if needed. S.....hit, I'm scared 😱 😨.
Should I go with the contractor that is a specialist in one brand or a highly regarded roofer that can offer all the brands? Have on big where the roofer is offering OC,GAF,atlas, or ct...whatever we want. He's a good company too, highly rated.
Full article, data research: roofinginsights.com/best-asphalt-shingles/ From Insights: 00:36 Explanation of tested categories 00:53 Explanation for lack of GAF shingle review 01:34 Category introductions 02:05 Our 5 star rating system 02:56 Weight test 04:36 Nailing zone test 06:50 Pull test 08:14 Coverage test 09:26 Shingle count per bundle and consistency test 12:20 Sponsor and partners thank you 14:55 Online reputation test 18:33 Granule loss test 19:05 Homeowner granule loss testimony about chickens 20:30 Contractor programs and education test 22:10 Seal/sealant test 23:27 Warranties/failures/class action involvement test 26:22 Score calculation 27:15 Final results 31:13 Conclusion
Have you considered weighted categories? Granular loss etc. maybe worth more/higher than contractor support? As the homeowner/customer I care much more about the longevity of the shingle.
Hey my man. Just found your content and you got a new subscriber. I have a roofing company in New York and would love to see that same pull test with a sealed shingle system. I’m an Owens Corning mostly exclusive company but jus trying to use the best product at an affordable cost Thanks again
Thank you for this video, I live in Canada and I have to do my roof again after 18 years. The contractor was using the IKO shingles on my roof and I was told that the product has 25 years of warranty, however the shingles on the sunny side started to fall apart already after 18 years. I have contacted IKO and they are offering me the warranty reimbursement. My question is what is the normal lifespan for the shingles in general?
Depends on the market honestly. Weather affects shingles differently. Texas sun destroys, dfw is also one of the highest rated for hail events is 5 to 15 years. 5 if hit with a storm.
You said "IKO Cambridge" had the massive Cranule Loss, I thought you were reviewing IKO DYNASTY? Please clarify. I am looking to get new roof and just had a roofer come by today and we talked about IKO Dynasty for my roof. I like the roofer but I am now not sure about the IKO PLEASE SOMEONE REPLY
Dimitry, Love your videos and learned alot so far. Live in Northwest Ohio (don't judge me, I'm not from the area),1st time homeowner, have some repairs needed to roof, and looking at replacing shingles on entire roof. Have two quotes for roughly same amount from different experienced contractors/brands. Question is for approx same price, should I put on Altlas Pinnacle pristine (with Signature Select System, no ridge vents) or Certainteed Northgate (with ridge vents and 5 star warranty)? Pinnacle is not class 4, with Northgate is class 4 impact resistant. Your video shows Pinnacle better than Landmark, but is it better than Landmark Pro , Landmark Premium and Northgate? Which manufacturer has better roofing system (underlayments, ice/water protection)? I have areas/valleys that don't get sun in winter... snow accumulated in past, iced and melted and leaked into garage. Discount for impact resistance for me is only $120/yr, not really seeing the benefit. Reviewed severe weather history in my area, and shows mostly penny-quarter sized hail , with winds up to 70 mph...Pinnacle shingles upto 130 mph, while Northgate only warranty up to 110mph (130mph with upgrade). Algae resistance/warranty is important to reduce maintenance down the road. Atlas with lifetime* AR, while Nortgate with only 15 year warranty for AR. Leaning towards Atlas Pinnacle based on your testing, but see benefits to Northhgate's SBS shingles for weather . What else did I miss or need to consider? I'm looking to the best shingle for the value, not cheapest, but not most expensive.
Review shingles - great work: what about other components of the roof like - ICE and Water Barrier, underlayment (tar paper, fiberglass, kelvar, kryptonite, etc), drip edge, flashings (for base walls, side walls, and chinmeys), and vent covers?
Heavier - but how many shingles were counted in each bundle? Maybe measuring a bundle, and the one with the most shingles in it, with the others you add individual shingles to achieve the same total shingle count - then you'll have a fair comparison for what the customer is buying, eh!
Make sure you invest in the Owens Corning DURATION. I used it and is much better than the normal Owens Corning fyi. Lasts longer better wind resistance
@@arcticwo1fee122 Yes, we did and it's a cool roof. Looks great! The old owner put a heavy concrete tile on the roof and we found out our roof wasn't built for tile and could have caused it to collapse.
Great video and comparison for someone who knows very little about roofing. We’ve discovered damage to our roof and our roofing contractor says it should qualify for replacement due to wind and hail. I’m in the southeast (SC) and we get some pretty intense storms, lots of rain and the occasional hurricanes. Our contractor likes OC and from what I’ve been able to research, they seem like a solid shingle choice. What brand, shingle type (we like the architectural), solar reflection (hotter then heck here), algae and overall durability would you or anyone else here recommend? Thanks again for the work it took to create this comparison!
Roofing Insights I appreciate the recommendations! We had another contractor come out, we like them much better, and they’re using CT Landmark. I see you like them as well as many others. I think based off my little bit of research and you guys seem to like them as well, we will probably end up going with them based on the contractors first impressions, punctual appointment timing, personable, great attitude, and using the CT brand.
Hey guy, Great video, lots of valuable information about different roofing products. The rating system was very interesting. I had no idea there were so many things to consider about roofing shingles. I wish I knew all this stuff 2 weeks ago when I had my new roof put onto my home in eastern Ohio. My question to you is how do you like Everest 42 roofing shingles?... I believe the shingles are from Canada. The color was Autumn brown AU2RS1137. Thank you in advance for your time and attention to my question. Have a great day. I enjoyed your video so much. I gave you a thumbs up and I am a subscriber. I can’t wait for the next video. Take care and stay well...
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Would like to see Tamko Titan XT
You should include a price category. I feel like that would help a lot when trying to make decisions as a customer.
Pricing is very competitive between these brands.
Best of best resource I have ever found online during my 3-day research on shingles! You did an outstanding work! I was struggling among OC Duration, GAF Timberline, and CertainTeed. Now you are the ONLY one giving out non-BS info/data. THANKS!
Thank you so much for great feedback!
Who did you go with?
Yeah curious who did you go with. I'm in the same boat. Need to decide by next Friday lol. Between GAF timberline hdz Owen's corning duration cool and landmark Solaris.
I've made the decision to switch to CertainTeed Landmark, I've installed Tamko for the past 5 years, this video really helped back up my decision, thank you.
Great to hear! Thanks for sharing!
Very good information, I am a roof consultant and my first goto shingle is always Malarkey, I wasn't surprised by your results. This is a good reminder to my clients who are looking for good roofs not more problems.
As a roofer, i mostly use CertainTeed Landmark, Malarkey, and Pinnacle.
Top 3 make perfect sense, all good quality.
I would be curious to see a real life audit of 5 to 10 year old installs. Sample several as you travel the country to see how climate and age impact performance and appearance. There are clearly fans of various brands represented in the RI community.
As always, great video for contractors and homeowners.
Thanks for feedback
"We believe that if the shingle has major problems with the granule loss in the beginning, most likely in the lifetime, it's also going to be the case."
Would you say that granule loss reduces the longevity of a shingle? If so, then from a homeowner's perspective, this is a very important rating category. Perhaps it should be weighted higher than some of the others.
Perhaps you should have more than one overall rating system: one for the shingling company and another for the homeowner. Or maybe add a rating system based on overall durability of the shingle, using the factors that contribute to that.
Thanks again for this video. Very well done.
Yeah, just wrote a comment saying the same before reading this. A weighted system does seem needed.
If manufacturers cant keep granules on shingles immediately after install how can we trust they will stay later? We trust those who made granules to stay out of the box more, just common sense
Excellent review comparison! Today just had Owen Corning Duration installed and this review confirmed my wise choose. The driftwood color is beautiful. The Polish roofing company I used strongly recommended OC Duration, and they (and you) were right!
GAF's lack of a backbone to be reviewed and compared to other shingle manufacturer's products, automatically takes them out of the running for my re-roof job coming up.
So, take that GAF!!!!
I'm also looking for a Green color, so that knocks others out of the contest too!
Nice to see confidence in manufacturers who choose to participate.
Indeed
GAF not invited for same reason GAF won't respond to roofers asking why they don't list particular specificiations in their literature, for the same reason GAF had to deal with a class action lawsuit. GAF does, however, do well at spending more money than any other manufacturer at advertising that they are the "number one shingle".
Not saying I won't install Timberline and warranty it if a customer asks for it, I will, it will work. Just saying it's not my go-to (I like Malarkey other than the fact that you just can't get any in California, lately).
I agree with you on Granule Loss rating. My roof is eleven years old IKO Cambridge Architectural Shingles, I still have to clean the rain gutter twice every year due to high granule loss.
I won't use the product again. I recently found a tap of the shingles at an edge blown away due to high wind.
I called Erie metal roofs.
When they came instead of selling me a metal roof. They brought two guys out to gang up on me, to pressure me into buying there Asphalt roof. The cost for the asphalt roof was almost 10 times as much as my original roof 21years ago. And they were putting a second layer. Without a Tear off!
I have Duration on my roof for almost 11 years. Three hurricanes, Irma, Elsa, and Ian. Elsa was not too powerful, more rain than wind. I have not lost a single shingle, not even during Ian eventhough my home was flooded out by storm surge. My only complain is granule loss. There is tons of it, and you can see the shingle color change due to granule loss. It is so bad that I don't see the roof lasting another 5 years. There is no blistering or hail damage to blame.
I think a wind test would be fun. I love what you do you inspire me to run my company the best way possible. Which is why i have the best reputation in my area, and keeps us booked months out all year long!
I would like to see wind test too!
They all pass wind test when brand new. Harder to do it when it’s one year on the roof. Because it’s this year test, wind test would be last years lol. But will keep thinking about how to do it
IKO would score a zero in a wind test.
I will hand it to this gentleman he did cover a lot. He also missed a lot as well. The test appears to be missing many other aspects of the shingle and its performance. I'm familiar with most and have had installed most as well. Region has a lot to do with performance or the lack there of. First question for my friend at Insight is in the weight category. Why are we testing per bundle when we are talking per square weights? Lets redo the test and randomly pick bundles from different pallets of material and maybe different manufacturing dates. 2nd question is in the nail zone category. I see wide zones and I see narrow zones. If we look at the profile of the shingle especially where the shingle is mated or overlapped (where its to be nailed for manufacturers warranty to be valid) we see various overlaps (some small and some actually as wide as the front nail zone which appears). Some manufacturers add a tape strip to help with uplift which contractors are selling as better with high winds? I'm not so sure. Corpus Christi's storm of 2017 didn't discriminate on what shingle was installed. In your opinion Mr. Insight whats a better system? Hand nailed or pneumatically nailed. Maybe give me a few reasons why or why not. What is a pull test supposed to prove again? I see a lot of 3-tab roofs(supposedly inferior) that I'm sure would fail pull tests but are still performing quite well. What are we really testing here? I feel some manufacturers have skewed or manipulated our understanding of what a roofing shingle should do. Maybe this is why GAF didn't respond. Let apologize for that last comment. I'm sorry. Lets move on to count and consistency. Tell me if I'm wrong but why are the manufactures selling squares of material (list above tested)in 3 bundles per square instead of 4. The inconsistency could be eliminated. When I break something into thirds it doesn't work out evenly. Are we educating the public or shoveling ____? Moving on to granule loss. How many months or years in fact has this test been in affect for your results? I hope that opening up a bundle and inspecting what was left in the plastic bag wasn't what you used for this test. Why is this test even relevant? Maybe lets test the granules (Algae version, Solar reflective) themselves or maybe the bonding adhesive. Do all manufacturers use their own components or do they sell to other manufacturers. Lets test the fiberglass mat and the differences each manufacturer uses. Lets test the asphalt and who uses the most filler so they need gimmicks to sell their shingles. I'm sorry again for running my mouth. Why should the consumer pay for an additional warranty? Some manufacturers are going directly to the roofing contractor and offering some sort of ridiculous status as a Super Duper roofer that can offer a Super Duper warranty that the consumer must pay for. Don't the manufacturers believe in their product and think that their standard warranty will hold water? Most consumers move before the warranty is over. Wait did I just figure out what some Roofing manufacturers are BANKING on. Why can't the manufacturers place a warranty on the roofing shingle installed no matter how many occupants? Mr. Insight I appreciate all your dedication and insight. I do feel your service is good and could be better. Keep up the good work! A former roofer.
Thanks for detailed feedback!!! Notes are taken!!!
Iko granular loss is so bad that it’s very slippery and dangerous to install. Gutters are full of granules by the time an install is done. Granules are also what protects your shingles from the sun. So yes it is a relevant thing to test for. Read into how malarkey shingles are made and you will see why it is number one. This test is spot on.
Great info!!!
One point given for all comparisons. Highest priorities for me are:
sealant
Pull test
Nail zone
Granule loss
Warranty
Performance, durability and performance. Thanks
We live in the SW US and GAF is by far number one in sales. However, both Malarkey and PABCO are gaining ground because lots of folks have had a poor experience with GAF. TAMKO is sold here but it is used mostly for commercial construction like apartments as well as new construction.
We had a 100 year hail storm in 2016 and literally everybody got a new roof at the exact same time. My neighbor and the guy across the street each bought Class IV GAF Timberline. I bought PABCO Premier 40 which are still on the roof. My neighbor and the guy across the street have since had to replace the GAF Class IV from a few very minor hail storms; they both bought GAF's cheapest Timberline 30 year AR shingle to replace a 3 year old GAF Class IV. How many times do you have to be hit in the head to know it hurts???
. If I had to do it again, I would buy PABCO or Malarkey. Haven't heard anybody complain about either of those. A neighbor that bought ATLAS Class IV in 2016 has also had pretty good luck.
Malarkey is really thin like gaf where pabco has hardly made any changes except granule cut an adhesive all shingles these days after about 90 degrees the seal strip sticks to the plastic on the back of the shingle
As a @malarkeyroofingproducts certifed installer, no surprise to me. No surprise on the Shamko rating either, pure garbage. Great job! Thanks for the effort!
Thanks for feedback! Roofing shingles look similar, but only certified installers who deal with shingles daily can tell the real difference between Malarkey and Tamko. Yet many roofers still will tell you that "all shingles are the same"
This is an outstanding video. However, not sure why you need GAF to respond to you. Wouldn't you just evaluate them against the others independent of their contact? Main reason I came here was to see your opinon on GAF vs Certainteed. Those are the two main brands used in my area by roofers, followed by Owens-Corning.
We already reviewed them
I just had Corning Duration shingles installed on my bungalow in Canada. I chose Onyx black and they look great. I picked a small piece off the ground when they were Installing and could not break it. I could see the fiberglass in there. Great underlay too. i'm glad I went with the corning.
Thanks for sharing!!! Owens Corning is definitely a good choice for roof shingle!
Thanks for your vids...very informative. More people should watch them before they make uninformed decisions. Its like buying a car..you can't return it. Thanks again.
What a great news for me. I just chose Onyx Black from OC. Hopefully mine looks good too. Thank you
Have seen that IKO has improved 2021 -2022 granule loss and nail strip.
Thanks for posting this video. I am getting ready to sign a contract with a roofer and they suggested Malarkey as the better option and Tamko as the cheaper option. I had never heard of either shingle. Your video hellped reinforce my decision. Be well.
Glad it was helpful!
We have been in business for 43 years, and the 3 owners have a combined 95 years of INSTALLATION EXPERIENCE because we install with our employees on a daily basis. We have used Tamko for 43 years. These are lab test results. Go do a field test study of 20 year old roofs and talk to installers with 30+ years experience and your results would be VERY different. Local wind storm proved that Tamko's sealant was much better than other brands. If you have ever installed these brands on a daily basis, Tamko Heritage shingles lose less granules when installing in extreme heat, AND are more pliable and break less when installing in extreme cold. The only thing I agree with is the nail zone, which could be better, but if you have good installers who actually get the nails in the nail zone, and because of Tamko's proprietary sealant, which is the best in the industry, your shingles will not go anywhere! Tamko makes one of the best shingles despite this study!
Is it a joke? Tamko has the most inconsistent most poorly performed product and 90% installers will agree to it. Look at any survey.
I have 30 square of Tamko ,28 years on and no leaks still looks pretty good
Tampko is junk, only installers that use them do it because they are cheaper.
I have Tamko 8 years old they are junk
My dont stick and going need new roof
Great informational video. I discovered an apartment building I own in North Idaho needed a new roof unexpectedly. I needed to educate myself on roof shingles and their installation process. I really enjoyed your information and presentation. Your comparisons have certainly helped me pinpoint my contractor and materials. Please keep it up and we need to get a Directorii
contractor in North Idaho.
I don't have a problem with how you did your testing and I have my opinion and I rely on what our roofers say since they install these products every day. They rate the OC Duration way above the Landmark and I'm a CT fan or at least used to be. I was one of the top sellers of the Malarkey products since 1992 in the Denver Front Range area up until 2013 when the contractor I sold for had a negative bias for Malarkey but they were a cheap minded company. The tear test is an interesting test, I would like to see more of that alone and can it be done differently, probably. Wind tunnel tests would be a good video to produce. Thanks for all your effort none the less.
Thank you for great feedback! We have been taking notes and will improve testing in 2021!! New roofing shingle guide is coming in 6 weeks!
very much appreciate all the effort. Confirmed my decision in an unbiased fashion. Thanks for the straight talk
Thank you for your feedback! Much appreciated
Malarkey has always preformed well. I have lost 1 Malarkey shingle in 36 years, the winds exceeded 130 mph just after installation. Certainteed is the only shingle i have seen blow off twice in 2 years and both roofs were installed excellently, i had to go back later and hand tab the entire 60 square roof after Certainteed bought the home owners a brand new roof.
Thanks for sharing
Any thoughts on the Malarkey Ecoasis NEX solar shingle?
I have not used this shingle yet. I have used other "solar shingles" . They were a little cooler but the color was frosty and muted. Malarkey only makes shingles and roofing underlayments . I trust them and their products , their tech support is excellent. Thanks for the reply.
@@chrisginoc for what its worth, I had a roofer bring by some full sized shingle samples so I could examine them.. a certainteed, malarky vista and ecoasis.. I tried the roll up test on all of these, rolling them tight, tar side out, like a burrito.. then unrolling and examining how well they held up...the certainteed cracked in alot of places and showed damage when unrolled on the granule side as well as on the black tar side... the ecoasis also cracked when rolled up..not good and Not like any tests ive seen online where they were damage free... lastly, i did the vista..it felt noticeABLY more flexible than the other 2 which seemed similiar in granules and construction but the vista seemed a different animal... more flexible, granules adhered much better and it had the least damage, almost none,when unrolled... In the shingles defense, I did the test in about 70 degree temps...I have a feeling, the online tests where done by leaving the shingles out in the sun to get hot, then folding them...my tests were torturous to those shingles...after rolling up, i stood on them, then unrolled... painful for the roofer to watch and he was impressed with the results... me, less so becuz I was expecting No damage at all... he said any normal asphalt shingle would break under that test.
Definitely agree with the Tamko nailing flange they should be a one-star on their nailing flange
Yeah, I think nailing flange and granular lost should be more weighted in the total, as they are big issues that the companies don't end up covering, and you end up fighting with them to get no where.
To me this is like comparing Coke, Pepsi, and RC Cola. Depends on individual preference and experience.
All the laminated shingles as far as I know are made roughly the same way, but I guess some variation in their exact specifications and quality control. Class 4 being a bit of an exception since they are subject to some additional impact testing.
So informative. I want a blue shingle which is very limiting. Malarkey and Atlas are out. I was leaning toward the Iko Dynasty, but now I'm second guessing that. OC Duration might be the winner. Although it seems a lot of roofers are fans of Certainteed. I hate making grown up decisions.
You reviewed IKO Dynasty, but for the 1 star granule loss section you said it was for Cambridge. Did you just misspeak on that? I recently ok'd my roof to be done next month with IKO Dynasty. The Cambridge line gets a bad rep and I think that blends into why the online reputation is bad for IKO too. Cause it's based on Cambridge. Everything I've read and watched, including some of your prior videos, suggest Dynasty is a pretty solid product. Thanks for taking the time to make videos and pass along information. You really helped a small common homeowner like myself make a decision a few weeks ago!
Last year it was Cambridge with same problem. Dynasty is actually worse. We post numbers on our website
I believe that was a misspeak. I also don't believe the granule loss category makes sense. The excess "carrier" granules in a bundle are overspray and didn't come off the shingle. They were never on there to begin with. The shingles themselves are completely coated. Probably money lost by the manufacturer, but its not granule loss. That can happen, but its after years on the roof. It shows as shiny spots on the roof when so many stones come off, you can see the fiberglass mat.
What happens to the overall ranking if you rank them in each category? E.g. if company A outperforms all competition in granule loss they get a 5 but they're on par with everyone else in pull test they might still get a 5. It seems like ranking in each might add weight to certain elements where a company can drastically outperform its competition.
As usual, great insight from you. Keep it up!
Thank you.
it's been almost five years now, seeing "someones" driveway covered in granule from every heavy rainfall, i'm thinking their shingles have no life left in them. Thanks for the info. this might come in handy within the next ten years. cheers!
Really liked your review. The only thing that would have helped me is if you weighed the different categories. In other words, for example if weight would be weighed 70% while online ratings might be weighed 30%, if could change your final rating.
Im going to guess that the only shingle that sealed indoors within 1 day was OC. Their sealant is super sticky. I've had a few occasions in the past where a customer adds a tankless water heater or something else a few weeks after roof replacement and when I go back to cut in and slide in the vent, both OC and Atlas are stuck solid and take a little extra effort and care to pull up. Most other brands are well sealed, of course, but come right up with an easy hatchet swipe.
OC does seal incredibly!!! Even in colder temps. Great shingle all around
I am considering to start using Malarkey Highlander. How is their sealant compare with OC and Atlas?
@@justinomora6678 I've only ever used Vista AR from Malarkey but their sealant is great. If I remember correctly, Vista and their other polymer modified shingles were the only shingles around that could be installed below 40°F. This mostly has to do with being polymer modified I'm sure, but they must be doing something right with sealant as well.
If you have to change your roof which would you choose between: GAF, OC Duration or CertainTeed and why?
Thanks for the education. Too bad GAF isn't on your list. It's what I have overhead now. However, a hail storm and Google search brought me here and I think I'll choose either OC or Malarkey for my next roof. One other category you might consider for next time is "Value". Is an upgraded nail zone worth the upgrade in price? Perhaps Tamko may get another star for striking a good balance between cost and quality. I saved $5000 because I chose not to get the sunroof and wheel upgrade option on my truck. It wasn't worth it to me.
Thank you for the video! This coming Tuesday I have one of your guys in your directory
coming out to give me a quote on a sheathing removal and re-roof with O.C Duration.
I'm in Illinois so we'll see how it goes. Thank you for the directory too! Keep educating us.
Thanks for feedback! Let us know how it goes with our contractor!
Get a quote on Certainteed Landmark. They are 100 % better looking and higher quality. 3000 happy customers under our belt that would agree.
I use OC Only but I respectfully disagree with duration having a good nailing zone. Their nailing zone does not grab both of the upper layer and lower layer for the whole inch. It’s only half an inch. And even if the fabric strip is one inch it doesn’t grab the two layers of shingles if you nail in the upper second half of the fabric strip. That creates a grip only on one layer of shingle and the fabric which is not ideal. The ideal would be to be able to make the second layer go the full one inch. That way you grab 3 layers which is the two layers of shingle and the fabric.
With sure nail it doesn’t have to grab common bond area. Most shingles have wider area to nail VS their common bond area. Look at certanteed for example. Same thing, 1/2” commons bond and 1 1 1/2 where you can nail. But no sure nail strip. Rips right off.
Two best shingles in pull test are IKO and OC and both perform better than the rest even if you nail not in common bond. It will outperform other brand even if they installed in common bond and OC will only install in shingle layer. OC strip still a game changer no one can compete with .
That’s what OC says but in the real world not grabbing both of the layers in the common area makes it less reliable than it could be. It definitely has more potential but I don’t understand why they don’t extend the bottom layer the whole 1 inch. Being one of the best out of all the rest doesn’t necessarily mean is good enough
That’s not what OC says, that’s what numbers say. Numbers don’t lie. Try it yourself. Install certanteed in common bond and OC above and try to pull it.
Oc will perform better but in your book it’s not right. Sometimes you have to think outside the box.
Roofing Insights yes that what OC SAYS. I’ve heard it from them many times. It’s their speech. And yes it may be stronger than certainteed but my point is: it’s so stupid to only marry the two layers half an inch short. Why not the whole inch. Like I said it may be good or better than other shingles but doesn’t mean it is good enough. If it had the two layers all the way the whole inch than it Would have three layers instead of two.
Great info, at the end of the day the product is only as good as the installation and 2 roofs with the same shingles can have very different lifespans based on instillation which is always gonna be the wild card!!
True, that’s why finding good contractor is as important as finding good shingle. We can recommend both!!!
@@adebiyiawolaja2241 I've been looking, here as well.. longmont
O.C duration is hands down the best shingle on the market best warranty out there by far we are a platinum preferred contractor and O.C stands tall when it come to the professionals that get accepted into to this elite group ask my man Rodney Webb
We love Rodney!
What city are you in and what’s your company?
I’m preferred with OC as well but Malarkey is equal to duration. Malarkey vista is best shingle on the market as far as price/performance. OC needs to come out with a class 3 to compete. Class 4 is a tough sell for most people due to price.
New England rankings. Certainteed Landmark premium & Certainteed Northgate both #1.Certainteed landmark pro #2 GAF Ultra #3 Certainteed Landmark #4 GAF HDZ # 5 then there’s all the rest of the mediocre brands. Atlas, Owens Corning, IKO, TAMKO
We would love to see where GAF would stand. Invited them many many times. Still waiting for reply
@@RoofingInsights3.0 Hi, My contractor is recommending the GAF Timberline so it would have been nice to see how they do in
your tests )-: Roof will be done this summer so maybe there is a chance you will hear from them by then.
How can Tampko score a 5 on granule loss? A 7 year old Tampko shingle will look like its been pummeled by hail when there has been no storms at all. IKO shingles have the weakest seal strip in the roofing business, 90% of my wind repairs are IKO shingles. OC runs about 93% of a square per 3 bundles and have become a lighter shingle since they have become a big box store staple. CertainTeed Landmarks are built like tanks.
One last area of comparison that I would be highly interested in is discoloration. I know you can't simulate aging too easily on brand new shingles, but if you went back to 10 year old jobs, which brands do the best with regard to maintaining their color? (I ask because Atlas really pushes the fact that they hav scotchguard, yet in their age progression tool, they show their own shingles getting MUCH darker in just 3 years.)
good recommendation. Problem is we would have review it on paper or somehow test old roofs. Both are very hard.
They had issues but did something about it and now they work better by far own Corning
So I just had the CT LANDMARK PRO MAX DEFINITION installed by a reputable roofing contractor. I love the looks and it comes with a great warranty, how would it have performed in the same rating system/test?
I watch alot of your videos and have learned alot of great best practices while doing so, THANKS
Certainteed are the best shingles I have used, was a 12 year OC installer, been with Certainteed for last 7, and yes they are built like tanks.
Great Video bud keep it up knowledge is power! Certified Malarky installer here in Tx and we love them Great product and great company!
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Awesome thank you! Thanks for comment!
The only issue I have with duration is that the SureNail strip isn't over the common bond area. If you look at it from the side, about half of strip is over common bond and half is over only the top of the shingle. OC says as long as nail is in strip they will warranty it, and they did. I had a few shingles split in half on a 14/12 section of a roof once that were nailed in the top of the nail strip either all the way across shingle or on one end of shingle. OC came out, looked, and warrantied it but it left me a little uneasy that their literature photos show the strip properly but their manufactured product, no matter the color, is always off of the common bond by about 1/4"
the key factor is they COVERED it. Thats amazing. as long as manufacturer honors their warranties we can have confidence in their instructions.
I agree the nail has to be in the bottom half of the strip to hit the 3/4” common bond area.
With the dynasty IKO wants you to nail above the common bond so the nail hits there strip. Doesn’t make sense.
The only shingle that has 1 1/4” common bond. Most other manufacturers only have a 3/4” common bond in reality.
Pabco should have a 5* rating in weight. 4 bundles per sq heavily outclassing all the other shingles. I think it comes out to roughly 235 lb a square. Everyone else is sub 210
Very informative video, appreciate your efforts. Even more informative and insightful has been reading all the comments, Thank you all!
Glad it was helpful!
THANK YOU SOOOO MUCH!!!! 🙌 Your video helped me make my decision on which Company to choose for my roofing job on my home 😁 Excellent Presentation 👏👏👏 Well Done!
Glad I could help!
I’ve used Owens Corning twice in the last 5 years & they’re the only shingle I’ll tell people to stay away from..Granules come off & they scar “extremely easy.” CertainTeed is my “current” favorite, Presidential TL & Landmark TL were the main shingles we used “Until” the Cool Roof dictate in Los Angeles & now we primarily use the standard dimensional lifetime gaf or CertainTeed shingles since that’s what the customer wants..Too bad..
How else has roofing in Los Angeles changed over the years?
The new environmental codes not only require Cool roofs but now we are mandated to go to specific recycling dumps that are more expensive & sometimes far from the job, in addition we now need a new Trash Haulers License to even take debris to a dump or face fines and four times a year we have to fill out a detailed accounting of the tonnage recycled , where we took it ect..The far Left Progressive polices of our major, LA City council & Governor have transformed Los Angeles into a haven for the homeless, mentally ill & encouraged a criminal element that has fundamentally changed Los Angeles..
I have to replace my roof due to Hurricane Laura and the roofers I have spoken to are all installing OC or Certainteed. Should I reach out to manufacturers to find installers of Malarkey or Atlas?
OC and Certainteed are good, if you are getting good service and quality install you will be ok.
This is really a terrific video . Every salesperson should watch start to finish!
Thank you! We agree, sales guys often don’t have knowledge on products they sell
I would be one of those salespeople! Based on everything I learned OC is my choice because of the high score and overall look. Thanks for all you are sharing!
Dmitry, will you please test high end SBS+class 4 rated shingles? A lot of opportunities for sales upgrades here and these products are a LOT better than the standard stuff.
We did one on class 4 shingles already
Atlas Storm Master seems to be the top dog in that one and took the top spot in the national testing and wind rating.
@@travisedwards9983 they are at the top
One of my shingles used is BP Everest
You should take IKOs weight down to 3 stars because of the Weight lost from all the granules
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Thanks so much for the information, decisions, decisions but your work certainly is making it easier. Thanks so much. We just had a roofer start a quote for us today, he generally goes with Tamko or Atlas, makes me slightly nervous to hear he uses Tamko after seeing your review but maybe it's a 3.7 meal vs the 4.6. If the price is the same I'll probably God willing be going with the Atlas indeed. Thanks so much. He's been doing it for years and mentioned how much grit comes right out of the bags of the GAF and mentioned that he wonders how much stays on the shingle and that it is also dangerous which I believe I heard you mention in either this video or a previous one. Thanks again, great, great stuff. One thing that seems to be a big up seller at least around here and I'd love to hear your thoughts and comments on it is 15, 30lb felt vs ice/water shield over the entire roof etc, one area the roofer didn't think was worth it with architectural shingles for the most part which I appreciated his honesty. Hopefully he is right. Yikes, lastly he didn't really suggest adding a "roof vent, we do have a gable attic fan but I'm wondering if it's really enough and if a ridge vent really might be worth it. Thanks again, great, great job!!
Thanks for feedback, glad you like it!
Ive been roofing for years do not use atlas or tamko,worst shingles out there.Certainteed and Owens Cornings are the best.
Very well done and informative. Been using your videos to educate myself before getting the roof done. You can tell that you enjoy your field.
Thank you for generous compliment! Glad you found it informative!
I almost bought Erie shingles . They were a very expensive shingle . That claimed a 30 year warranty but reading the fine Print it was nowhere near that. Why weren't they in your Video?
Good video but I would have like to seen the price comparisons that should be part of it
Price is almost identical and not differentiator here
I didn't know that thank you
Excellent well researched video. Covers all the important parameters to assess shingles for value and quality. Awesome job!
Glad it was helpful!
Thank You For your hard work.. Malarky is not available here. Atlas is.. OC contractor here , I installed my first New atlas shingle last year. Before Atlas Chalet Shingle Failed miserably here.
Atlas Chalet is a very old story and it did fail, Atlas paid many claims after. Most roofing brands have at least one line that has major issues.
Thanks for the product testing info !! I'm going with Malarkey,, Pabco and Malarkey are the only shingles sold locally , it's a 75 mile round trip to get any other brand., Not a fan of CT shingles, installed more then my fair share of CT fiberglass shingles back in the day, they don't seem to hold up well, to soft !! I Like the OC brand, but have to make that 75 mile round trip, but those suppliers always have a problem with not enough color choice and bundle count,, So as a DIY'er it's Malarkey :)
Good luck!
Hey you are doing great job educating homeowners and contractors roofer’s, please keep informing the public , many homeowners do not check the product before buying ,
Thanks for your information 👏
When I saw your 5-star rating for the IKO sealant strip, I was surprised, since there are some online complaints about failures of the IKO sealant strip. My theory is that it's again a reflection of the excessive granule loss on the IKO shingles. (I would expect that if there are loose granules between two new shingles during installation, they will be harder to seal, regardless of the quality of the sealant strip.) You probably didn't test for that in your controlled testing.
Most of the sealant strip issues with IKO is on the Cambridge line. Dynasty & Nordic are pretty much problem free with sealing
We tested it and were very happy with results. They have improved a lot.
Funny to get this recommend. Just had my roof teared up and replaced. About 17sq with gaf timberland for 9k in the North East. Every tells me i got an amazing deal.
17 sq of GAF in North East shouldn't cost more than 7K, IMO
You paid about $530 per square. Going rate for walkable roof is about $300-$450, what city are you in?
@@RoofingInsights3.0 out in long island
Friend in NJ said to overlay his 14 square two story roof was 5k and it was a semi DIY
I don’t think you guys should tell the, they got a bad deal as a roofer I hate someone making assumptions before there’s any details how many layers were on roof, was decking in good condition, were there any skylights, etc... I’d say between 7k-10k depending on work performed is fair anyone doing it for less than 6k is either a weekend warrior or starting off in roofing also possibly super broke.
My existing roof is covered with clay tiles (bearing fine crack lines now) and need roofing. I would like to replace with shingles but the contractor I consulted said it cannot be done because of the pitch of my roof. Need your expert advice. Thank you.
Sounds great!send us email will dry to help: dmitry@roofinginsights.com
Thank you for the shingle evaluation. It has been very helpful as I try to decide which brand and contractor to go with. In the South, shingle streaking from algae is a problem. The Atlas Pinnacle Pristine has a lifetime algae warranty. Some of the others only warranty against streaking for ten years. Why did you not rate resistance to streaking?
it deserves separate video, it is cosmetic, many will argue its not important, but it is very hard to compare
Why did you test all premium shingles from the manufacturers, except Certainteed, you reviewed their bottom line.
Malarkey Highlander is their base shingle.
Landmark is not their bottom line. We set with manufacturers and agreed on all main lines products. They have higher grades, we tested most popular (best sellers) in the same dollar category.
Awesome thanks!
Agreed with Thomas 100%. Certainteed 4th place? In which world are you living? Compare Certainteed Landmark PRO to O.C Duration or anything in the market place. Also it should be noted Dmitry the shingles your company installs are Owens Corning wether you think it's biased or not you maybe should let the "homeowners" know. You personally wouldn't eat at a 3.7 rated restaurant? Really? You do not have the years of experience on roofs to see what has failed over the years. Also WARRANTIES ...Have a language specialist explain to you how they are not all created equal. You keep saying IKO and others are larger but that's not good at all. More exposure to the weather and easier wind lift. That's why when you get to a 4 pitch we do a 4in exposure to the weather. Most shingles are pretty close in manufacturing but most roofers are not! Keep up the fight!
@@RoofingInsights3.0 Landmark absolutely is Certainteed entry level (bottom line if you insist) laminated shingle and still is better than most other middle of the road(or upgraded) manufacturers laminated shingles. 5 1/2 in. to the weather not 6 in.
Outstanding, I had to share your video. What is the best temperature for installing shingles. Approximate range. Thank you very much , Bob
Glad it was helpful! Minimum temperature is 50 degrees. Ideal 60-70.
I live in the Space Coast area of Florida and I am trying to decide between OC Duration and Certainteed Landmark as they are the main brands most contractors in my area install..I like the weight of the Landmark, the warranty of the Duration. This is not an insurance claim roof replacement and it is not my forever home. Thoughts?
I would go with Duration
Well was going to go with the dynasty, but after watching this I’ll Definitely go with malarkey, especially since they are only made a couple hours away 👍
Dynasty is not bad shingle and Malarkey is good brand as well
Roofing Insights I bet they are, but malarkey is somewhat local to me so I gotta support them, especially wild they have quality products
Nice! I went from installing OC to Atlas. This was great to see, good job 👍🏼
What made you do the switch? How do you like Atlas Shingles?
21 per
Guess I never paid attention that a good topic because I've went back for one bundles many times
Excellent review 👏 👌 👍 🙌 Excellent, thanks a lot, if I new or so read this I would be having a piece of mind. I just got Tamco, on my roof 😐, I will get ready for legal action if needed. S.....hit, I'm scared 😱 😨.
Should I go with the contractor that is a specialist in one brand or a highly regarded roofer that can offer all the brands? Have on big where the roofer is offering OC,GAF,atlas, or ct...whatever we want. He's a good company too, highly rated.
Always go with one who works and swears by one. Those who sell it all usually dont care about quality.
Tamko just released their TITAN shingles looks to be alot better quality and price isn't much different
We are trying to pick the best brand of shingles/roof! This helps a lot, thank you!! Great content 😻 Also subscribed
Thank you and welcome to the channel!
Really informative Dimitri. Especially appreciated the breakdown of the rating system you use.
Why are you comparing granule loss of Cambridge when you’re testing for dynasty ?
We did both
@@RoofingInsights3.0 in the video you only claim granule loss for Cambridge
Full article, data research: roofinginsights.com/best-asphalt-shingles/
From Insights:
00:36 Explanation of tested categories
00:53 Explanation for lack of GAF shingle review
01:34 Category introductions
02:05 Our 5 star rating system
02:56 Weight test
04:36 Nailing zone test
06:50 Pull test
08:14 Coverage test
09:26 Shingle count per bundle and consistency test
12:20 Sponsor and partners thank you
14:55 Online reputation test
18:33 Granule loss test
19:05 Homeowner granule loss testimony about chickens
20:30 Contractor programs and education test
22:10 Seal/sealant test
23:27 Warranties/failures/class action involvement test
26:22 Score calculation
27:15 Final results
31:13 Conclusion
Great video. Need to get my roof redone and your videos are very helpful. Thank you!
Thanks for feedback!!! Let us know if you need help finding contractor, we have plenty of good guys to recommend!!!
Have you considered weighted categories? Granular loss etc. maybe worth more/higher than contractor support? As the homeowner/customer I care much more about the longevity of the shingle.
Hey my man. Just found your content and you got a new subscriber. I have a roofing company in New York and would love to see that same pull test with a sealed shingle system. I’m an Owens Corning mostly exclusive company but jus trying to use the best product at an affordable cost
Thanks again
We are trying to figure out how to do it
Thank you for this video, I live in Canada and I have to do my roof again after 18 years. The contractor was using the IKO shingles on my roof and I was told that the product has 25 years of warranty, however the shingles on the sunny side started to fall apart already after 18 years. I have contacted IKO and they are offering me the warranty reimbursement. My question is what is the normal lifespan for the shingles in general?
Depends on the market honestly. Weather affects shingles differently. Texas sun destroys, dfw is also one of the highest rated for hail events is 5 to 15 years. 5 if hit with a storm.
@@norsemenconstruction4606 here you go th-cam.com/video/vaQKBjClKAA/w-d-xo.html
Thanks for sharing!
Woo! Thanks for the rating! We need more like this
Nice job man, I had no idea of the science behind to roof shingles. 👍 🔨
Thanks Juan!!!!roofing shingles are not easy to make!
Landmark has 4 qualities of shingles. Is this rating the lowest one, the Landmark Shingle?
this os for their top seller: landmark
List seems pretty accurate to me. I'm actually not familiar with your #1 choice though.
Owens Corning is the way to go, IMO.
Nice! GAF calling you out!! the largest roofing manufacturer with the [best] warranty. I hope you hear from them.
We hope so too
You said "IKO Cambridge" had the massive Cranule Loss, I thought you were reviewing IKO DYNASTY?
Please clarify.
I am looking to get new roof and just had a roofer come by today and we talked about IKO Dynasty for my roof. I like the roofer but I am now not sure about the IKO
PLEASE SOMEONE REPLY
Both have the same issue. We tested both.
IKO dynasty is great option!
Dimitry, Love your videos and learned alot so far. Live in Northwest Ohio (don't judge me, I'm not from the area),1st time homeowner, have some repairs needed to roof, and looking at replacing shingles on entire roof. Have two quotes for roughly same amount from different experienced contractors/brands. Question is for approx same price, should I put on Altlas Pinnacle pristine (with Signature Select System, no ridge vents) or Certainteed Northgate (with ridge vents and 5 star warranty)?
Pinnacle is not class 4, with Northgate is class 4 impact resistant. Your video shows Pinnacle better than Landmark, but is it better than Landmark Pro , Landmark Premium and Northgate? Which manufacturer has better roofing system (underlayments, ice/water protection)? I have areas/valleys that don't get sun in winter... snow accumulated in past, iced and melted and leaked into garage.
Discount for impact resistance for me is only $120/yr, not really seeing the benefit. Reviewed severe weather history in my area, and shows mostly penny-quarter sized hail , with winds up to 70 mph...Pinnacle shingles upto 130 mph, while Northgate only warranty up to 110mph (130mph with upgrade). Algae resistance/warranty is important to reduce maintenance down the road. Atlas with lifetime* AR, while Nortgate with only 15 year warranty for AR.
Leaning towards Atlas Pinnacle based on your testing, but see benefits to Northhgate's SBS shingles for weather .
What else did I miss or need to consider? I'm looking to the best shingle for the value, not cheapest, but not most expensive.
I would go with Atlas, dont like Certainteed and their support. Great shingle but I always go with brand that cares more about contractors.
@@RoofingInsights3.0 Appreciate the quick response...Thanks!
Review shingles - great work: what about other components of the roof like - ICE and Water Barrier, underlayment (tar paper, fiberglass, kelvar, kryptonite, etc), drip edge, flashings (for base walls, side walls, and chinmeys), and vent covers?
Heavier - but how many shingles were counted in each bundle? Maybe measuring a bundle, and the one with the most shingles in it, with the others you add individual shingles to achieve the same total shingle count - then you'll have a fair comparison for what the customer is buying, eh!
TG! I picked the right shingle. We are just doing our roof now with Owen Corning.
Make sure you invest in the Owens Corning DURATION. I used it and is much better than the normal Owens Corning fyi. Lasts longer better wind resistance
@@arcticwo1fee122 Yes, we did and it's a cool roof. Looks great! The old owner put a heavy concrete tile on the roof and we found out our roof wasn't built for tile and could have caused it to collapse.
Great video and comparison for someone who knows very little about roofing. We’ve discovered damage to our roof and our roofing contractor says it should qualify for replacement due to wind and hail. I’m in the southeast (SC) and we get some pretty intense storms, lots of rain and the occasional hurricanes. Our contractor likes OC and from what I’ve been able to research, they seem like a solid shingle choice. What brand, shingle type (we like the architectural), solar reflection (hotter then heck here), algae and overall durability would you or anyone else here recommend? Thanks again for the work it took to create this comparison!
Atlas, Malarkey or OC will be top choice!
Roofing Insights I appreciate the recommendations! We had another contractor come out, we like them much better, and they’re using CT Landmark. I see you like them as well as many others. I think based off my little bit of research and you guys seem to like them as well, we will probably end up going with them based on the contractors first impressions, punctual appointment timing, personable, great attitude, and using the CT brand.
Hey guy,
Great video, lots of valuable information about different roofing products. The rating system was very interesting.
I had no idea there were so many things to consider about roofing shingles. I wish I knew all this stuff 2 weeks ago when I had my new roof put onto my home in eastern Ohio. My question to you is how do you like Everest 42 roofing shingles?... I believe the shingles are from Canada.
The color was Autumn brown AU2RS1137. Thank you in advance for your time and attention to my question. Have a great day.
I enjoyed your video so much. I gave you a thumbs up and I am a subscriber. I can’t wait for the next video.
Take care and stay well...