GAF TIMBERLINE HDZ review | 2020 Roofing Shingles Guide | Roofing insights
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- GAF TIMBERLINE HDZ review | 2020 Roofing Shingles Guide | Roofing insights
We do recommend GAF HDZ, in this video we show you realistic expectations, pros and cons of new GAF HDZ shingles. Ranks 4/5 out of nine with 4.3 stars out of 5. Comment what you think!
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Man, did those GAF lawyers make you remove Coverage, Consistency and Online Reputation? Youre viewers aren't dumb and we can read. We went from pull test to granule loss. I mean WTF GAF???? Dimitry is way more honest then you guys will ever be. Let him do his schtick and you worry about improving some of the areas you are lacking in. BTW this is coming from a Home Owner who has decided to go with your GAF TIMBERLINE UHD shingles because the price was too good to pass up. I even have a GAF Master Certified company installing them. You BETTER not screw me over on my warranty should the need ever arise to make a claim. Like I said. you do you and let Dimitry do Dimitry!!
HAAHAH They made you skip WARRANTY too! those AHOLES
Who is responsible for the labor warranty ? GAF or the installer?
@@FiveKids2go labor warranty is done by your laborer's (roofer) hence the word "labor". On the other hand, any act of God such as tornadoes, hail, hurricanes etc. voids a manufacturer warranty. This includes Gaf HDZs which Gaf claims the plywood will tear off before the shingles do.
Worst shingle you can buy.
@@bert7478 nail strip is made of sand. Contact a roofer in your area that uses Owens Corning products and deals with insurance companies and you’ll be in good hands. If you’re in TN send me a message.
Of all the roofs we have installed after Hurricane Laura, HDZ's are the only roofs we didn't lose when Hurricane Delta came through. I'm a firm believer in their adhesive now. The main thing isn't so much the adhesive, but where the adhesive sticks to shingle below. Its on the asphalt/ nailing line, not on granules.
Great feedback. Good to know, thanks for sharing
IMO Elk had the best adhesive on the market before GAF acquired them (I hated doing repair work on those shingles). Now that they’ve left that bare stripe across the shingle where it seals it’s gotta be next to impossible to get them separated.
yessir one of our GAF reps was showing those pictures. layer lock technology baby
My 15 year old GAF roof has been through 5 named storms, including Laura and Delta, plus one major hail storm this year and I only lost a few shingles; the nailed in portions did not budge. They were hand nailed if that matters...
@@ltd4yt Yes, you can't budge them with a prybar. You have to literally peel them off. Makes repairs pretty tough
I had the HDZ installed on my house a month ago after seeing your review of it. I love the look and I think it’s a great shingle that will take care of us for years down the road. Thanks for all your great videos and knowledge that you share with the community 👍🏻
Thank you for feedback! Glad it worked out great! Dmitry
We are building our final home for retirement. I love your channel, it's great to see people enthusiastic and nerdy about their occupation. Great job, thanks
Gaf is great, I have been using them for over 20 years. Thanks for improving your test and being fair.
I like your videos alot Dmitry. I do Approximately 8-10 thousand sq of gaf annually and never have issues with blow offs with gaf shingles. Their duragrip sealant is the most aggressive in the industry and it seals in 30° if its sunny I am in the buffalo, ny market so we are no stranger to high winds off lake erie. In the spring when everyone is having wind damaged claims its usually always a iko or tamko roof. In our market it goes #1 Gaf, #2 certainteed , #3 Atlas, #4 o.c. we do not have malarkey. But iko , bp, and tamko are junk and wouldn't recommend them on a dog house. We have been in business 19 years and have one of the best reputations in my market due to commitment to excellence . Keep up the good work . Your videos are awesome!
Every market is different. In Montana Malarkey is 70% of shingles sold and what people demand. What city are you from?
Awesome video and sweet shirt! Appreciate what you do for consumers and for the support of your community.
Not only was an industry leader that we respect showing support for us today, but I bet we made it on the GAF watch list! Very cool, sir!
Someone was paying hundreds of dollars per our to watch it for sure
I have a friend that is a GAF certified dealer in Oregon and he says their packages aren't floppy like the bundles that come out of the MN plant.
He came out to our place in Iowa to help re-shingle our place and we used the HDZ. I was amazed how quickly they would seal down. Yet in high heat, if you would walk on the top row of shingles a lot, they would start to slip down the roof and stretch the hole the nails made. We would spray down the roof with water to keep it cool while installing in high heat. 90 degrees and up. I think the average temp we installed at was 93.
I been installing GAF . 20 plus years no problems
you should start talking about the algae resistance part of the shingle also. They're advertising that bigtime now.
Yep, and we will next year.
Thank you so much . I have an install date in November with the GAF HDZ product. Have a Master Elite installer to do the work. I will give you my review when the job is done. I’ll personally will go up on the roof and inspect. As the homeowner most people don’t have a clue. I am not going to spend $15-$16,000 on a product that I’m not going to do some research on, not to mention the installer. This is a one time shot, roofing, I don’t plan on ever doing it again in my lifetime. I’m 66, so been around the block at least once. Thanks again for the great education. I’m glad you were there. I will share you my friends doing roofing work.
Thank you for feedback! Let us know if you have any issues! Hope everything is gonna be done right!
So what is the verdict? Update ?
@@FiveKids2go Mark Anthony Roofing, They did a good job. Had some termite damage that had to be addressed. Had a rain and more granules came off than I expected. But now only time will tell how it will perform. With summer coming we will see how this “Cool Roof” version of HDZ will do. I have a attic fan that is set at 100 F. I will see how long it takes for the fan to come on. Also had a Cobra ridge vent installed, with 2 O’hagins. We will see how cool this keeps the attic as well as the house. As I said, time will tell.
@@jbwjr54 How are the shingles holding up now after a year? Do you still recommend GAF?
@@phannoush4426 They are only a year old and I expected them to be fine at this point. If they weren’t I would be very surprised and disappointed. I was up on the roof about a month ago to clean solar panels, and it all looked good. Would I recommend the product? Ask again at the 10, 20, and 30 year mark and I will let you know if I’m still around! Bottom line, so far is good, but I expected that at this point.
Thank you GAF for participating
That means a lot
I'm shocked 😲 and pleasantly surprised.
Keep up the great work Roofing Insights!
Thank you! We are doing our best
I had GAF Timberline HDZ installed on my home on 13-Oct-21 in the Barkwood color with a brown drip edge. With a very light yellow house it looks really good. I believe the crew that did the house did a really good job - they took their time around roof penetrations to ensure they were sealed up nicely, they installed a ridge vent which I did not have before, they used a synthetic roof paper (not sure what it’s called but he showed me the strength difference), they put 5 layers of coverage in the valleys, they put some flat roofing material in a dead valley, and they replaced some plywood and soffit wood that apparently got wet and was rotting. Previous roof was 19 years old - hoping this new one lasts as long. It was a crew of 9 and it took them all day. I shoulda bought them lunch! But anyway, try to find out about the crew they have doing your house - I think it makes a big difference. Mine was Greentek in Tampa, FL.
How did they hold up after Hurricane Ian? We need a roof replacement and the company we are considering highly recommends GAF. How do you like it so far?
Great video! Is there a difference in the quality of the shingles if I buy Gaf Timberline HDZ from Home Depot vs from a roof supply store?
I hear there is and that the HD packages often specifically say HD on them. The extent to which that's true? Who knows... BUT, there is a test on YT where they looked at water heater components between HD and the supply store and there was a marked difference in the components... Far more plastic used for HD. So for some products this is absolutely true, no question.
Thank you for making this reviews. My only problem is you have all categories weighted exactly the same. IMO the quality of the actual shingles should be weighted higher than the others.
Out here in Cali the HDZ come in white packaging. I am not a huge fan of the increase nail line. It promotes the rainbow nail pattern since the guys get to go faster on the install. Only the very bottom portion of the nail line allows the nail to penetrate both layers of the shingle. If not the nail only grabs 1 layer of the shingle. I have had them start to slide out on 5/12 pitch after lunch from very minimal foot traffic. I do agree with the granule loss they have done a fabulous job reducing loss.
They are actually encouraging you to high nail them- those little dimples on that back gonna hold them up? doubt it- maybe if your lucky on a low pitch roof- I'd stay away from GAF so easy to sell around it with what they have done- OC Platinum in NY.
Great review. I like your transparency and challenging others to prove your opinion wrong.
We own a roofing company up here in Anchorage Alaska. Love your content and channel! Please continue to do these types of videos! We are Certified installers for GAF and do really enjoy the Timberline HD and HDZ products. For our area most of our competitors are installing OC and Malarkey. GAF is not the big man on campus up here by a long shot.
My husband and I binge watch both you and Eric Reno. Would love another collab with the 2 of you! Much respect from AK-Team Tiger
Thanks a lot for feedback! Alaska is in on my hot travel list, good to know I have someone there! Dmitry
Hi Dmitry, i have watched few of your videos i really appreciate what you do great content and overall great advises, but I’m confused in regards to GAF manufacturer correct me if I’m wrong you said that they are the worst and not backing up they warranty and no support is not there for home owners and contractors
Great stuff man. Thank you so much. Feel better informed now.
Great video but I have a question mine didn’t seal and it was above 80 for about 3 weeks after it was installed and when the wind came in Fontana California shingles started blowing they came replace the blowoff 4 times the why did that happen I install gaf timberline hdz rs , I am still paying and now I need to replace it again any advice help
Does the weight make the shingle better if the granule loss is more on the heavier shingle? Maybe it evens out some, anyway.
FYI Home depot shingles are different versions than you would get from a local distributor- they are lighter and have fewer granules. Like most HD products they sell they are cheaper versions of the real deal.
Just got GAF Timberline HDZ Charcoal on my house this past weekend. They look great and easy to work with!
I am deciding on which color I want and I am leaning toward charcoal but in some photos it looks like a medium grey and it some photos it looks almost
Black. What color is it in real life? Would you say it looks almost black or like a true dark grey?
@@sugarsweetsavannah_asmr1133 the shingles are a mixture of gray and black. it turns out to be a dark grey look when far away. or maybe it is light grey and dark grey. However, they do appear to be dark grey and not black.
@@sugarsweetsavannah_asmr1133 i have decent pics if you want me to email them to you.
Hi my name is Pedro I have a really small business of roofing in my person the number one in shingles can be certainteed or GAF but malarky I don’t think
I chose GAF Timberline HDZ over CertainTeed & 5 Stars Roofing in Charleston SC will install next week.
hopefully I did the right choice!
I am trying to decide among those 2 as well and very confused on which one is better and why.
You have 10 competitors, there should be 10 stars in each category, graded on a curve such that for each category there is one 10 star and one 1 star and everything in between. In effect, your grading scale needs to reflect the possible in terms of what the market makes available, but also maintain a greater level of granulation (pun intended).
We are a Certified Roofing Insights company and would like to give our opinion. GAF is the main shingle used here in NC. I do believe it would have been best to purchase the shingles from a roofing supplier. The shingles will be fresh from the manufacture. All bundles we receive from ABC are nice and tight like the commercial shows. Our company and installers rate GAF at #1 for us on an overall.
You also have different plant it’s coming from. I think GAF has different issues here in MN vs the rest of the country. Plant is 70 years old, we have been talking about issues for years but they always seemed to be ignored. Packaging were too tight 5 years ago making corners lift (it was shrinking them too much) and today they have garbage bags look type packaging (complete opposite). Either way, it’s not our problem, we are just a reporter and show it how it is.
We would love GAF to explain packaging inconsistency and to work with us, they refuse interviews, refuse explanations so we just show what we see and how we see it.
Either way HDZ is on recommendation list and we will back up any warranty and product issues for our contractors
Thank you, really appreciate your video. You covered all the areas I was interested in. I am looking at using the timberline series here in Michigan.
Any feedback on Tamko titan xt?
Thanks for putting this vid up. Seems like a pretty decent shingle. GAF is getting upset over nothing.
Agree with you 100%. We always wanted to do what’s good for the industry
Thank you so much for providing education to general public.
We don’t have Malarkey, BP, or Pabco available in Virginia but I’d love to do a head to head comparison of the others, hands on. We have 3 sheds in the yard at work that need replacing. Thinking maybe do each side in a different brand that way I can put down a couple square of each to get a good feel for each. I did that Ultra HD week a couple weeks ago and am doing another Ultra next weekend, fortunately with minimal cut work on the one upcoming 🙄. I find it interesting that they haven’t made improvement to the Ultra HD like they have the HDZ and American Harvest, despite being considered a more premium product.
I spoke with my rep and he considers the AH the best
Since HDZ is relatively new and still not produced in some areas, I would imagine they have to use up back stock of the ultras before adding the improvements. I would check with your local rep.
Update: Lady swapped out the Ultras for the HDZ’s on the roof I did this weekend and they were fantastic to work with. Sealed well, lightweight and easy to cut, and I don’t recall considerable granule loss in package. I don’t know how the lighter weight will fare long term but from and installer standpoint they are miles ahead of the old HD’s.
If you nail close to common bond without hitting it you do tend to blow through the shingle. Easy enough to make adjustment just something to be mindful of.
Another great video. Because of you I've taken much more in my roof and gutters
are these class 3 shingles? what is your opinion on Certainteed Class 4 ClimateFlex?
I would like to know where GAF gos getting my roof done soon
Are you’re competitors selling Certainteed? I can’t speak for Malarkey, Pabco, Vanguard, But no way is Owens corning, Atlas, GAF a better shingle than Certainteed Landmark let alone IKO. #1 Certainteed Northgate/ #2 Certainteed premium #3 Certainteed landmark pro.
Do a review on the GAF Ultra HD shingle. It really looks nice and thick. When i need a roof im looking at either the GAF ultra HD or the Atlas Stormaster Shake. Could you do a review on these 2 and compare or give me your opinion on both shingles.
Will do!
You get the same warranty with GAF HDZ and Ultra HD so really why pay more?
@@ravenmoto5948 but you actually get a better wind rating with the HDZ over the Ultra.. So when we grade on heavier.. is that really always better? or is it FIT being better than FAT..?
Living Ice and snow and hail country granular loss would be a big deal for me.
Definitely pitch pull test. line up all manufactures and install no nail shingles .! I’m a atlas guy and I’m interested in seeing this!
Me too! Would love to see that! Hope I will not get 10 page legal letter for this review
The Borat of roofing, I like!!!
I would like to see landmark pro 2021
Note is taken
@@RoofingInsights3.0 you guys are great! I just noticed this morning you guys started publishing magazines!
Promax Certainteed blows all of these shingles away. Looks, weight, warranty, the list goes on.
Would love to see the Malarkey Legacy
Excelent I will make a test I’m the best roofer of the planet nice video thank you very much keep up the good work
thank you Coach. Gotta love dmitrys discerning eye and attention to detail backed with FACTS. keep it coming boss. this is greater than u know in terms of value.
Thank you sir!!! Appreciate feedback!
Any one on the GAF Timberline vs the GAF Fortitude?
Whats the difference between HD and HDZ shingles by Timberline?
I guess ill answer my own question. Gaf doesnt make HD shingles any longer. They are HDZ, you can look on their website.
@@EdStaniszewski I had this same question as well. My roofer put HD in his estimate instead of HDZ, so I wanted to make sure he wasn't trying to pull a fast one and give me an inferior product.
Have you thought about price as a category for next year?
Price is hard: supplier sets the price. We mentioned price 3 years ago when we did it first, problem is it’s up to supplier how much it sell it for. For example: GAF can sell it for a dollar cheaper to ABC than OC, but ABC might sell it for a dollar more...
@@RoofingInsights3.0 yeah good point. I guess that would fall on the Installer to decide who we want to represent. Thx
@@RoofingInsights3.0 yes, price will vary for a lot of reasons, but it seems like you could factor in general retail rates.
As a homeowner, coverage and consistency are useless because contractors quote based on # of squares and % waste and what I care about is how much is it going to cost.me. I also think pull test is also meaningless as pulling is not real life and GAF has no wind speed limitation.
HDZ is a an abbreviation of Hernandez. Very familiar with Hispanics. That is Marketing at its best. (Mho)
Wow, learning something everyday
Never use iko Cambridge shingles. All kinds of problems with them. Gaf is far better shingle
Terrible contractor support too
Very informative, thanks!
What about Landmark Pro?
Is HDZ a entry level shingle?
HDZ is their best one.
they have the hdz ultra as well... hdz is entry level
I see this shingle installed wrong all the time, see this shingle delaminating all the time and a 60 mph gust will rip this off. I rip this shingle off from poor install and manufacturing issues more than often. I think this shingle is used by roofing companies for on going business because there is always something to repair with them.
5 in all the places that matter, and probably #1 in those areas...
Great work!
Why is landmark being used instead of landmark pro.
GAF - - - Natural Shadow---HDZ
OC - - - - Oakridge - - - - - - Duration
IKO------ Cambridge - - - - - Dynasty
Atlas - - - ProLam----- Pinnacle
CT-------landmark - - - - - - - landmark pro
We have agreed with manufacturers about line up
@@RoofingInsights3.0 just curious as to why though. Doesn't seem apple's to apples comparison?
Because these tests are skewed and biased to no end.
why didn't you add owen cornings to the list?
We did: 2020 Asphalt Roof Shingles Guide | @Roofing Insights
@@RoofingInsights3.0 your right i apologize im new and im about to get a new roof. my roofer originally was going to install owen cornings shingles but he claims they are all out of stock/sold out. so he said he will install gaf. is there a big difference in price? i would appreciate your feedback. love you vodeo too very informative!
Pull tests are BS. First off, it all has to do with nailing. If you’re not hand nailing and the pressure is too high on your gun then you’re clearly blowing through. I don’t care if it’s a 16th of an inch. If the head of that nail breaks the shingle, it’s improper installation.. That alone makes a pull test useless.
The seal of the shingle is far more important than a pull test. If that shingle isn’t sealed it’s not going to stay on the roof very long. I’ve torn off 30 year old shingle roofs in shock because they were nailed on with the nails 2 inches above the nail line by people that clearly didn’t know what they were doing, But the shingles never blew off, or fell off and they had no issues because they were a lower pitched roof, and as we all know the seals back in the day were far better than they are now.
Great video 📹. 👌👍
Great job
Thank you, I tried. Dmitry
Great review
Thank you sir.
I never heard of malarkey. Is that Joe Biden's company?
Lol, just Irish founders last names but good one
@@RoofingInsights3.0 I think he meant Trump.
Friggin dyin....hahahaha😂😂😂
No he meant Lying joe.
SO IS GAF BETTER THAN MALARKEY AND OC?
not even close... its their warranty that reels in customers not the shingles quality
Looks like you've padded your review, lol....5 for granule loss...that's a joke. I just picked up 3 SQ for repair to match the shingles on the home. That was the most granules I've had on the back of my truck from the GAF HDZ. The repaired area full of granules from the shingles.
Agree with you, in the last they were historically bad, today I had 3 bundles and camera on me and we have to report what we see. Today they were 3rd in granule loss amongs 9, that gave them 5
@@RoofingInsights3.0 Do you feel some manufacturers add more granules because they know the loss that will happen during transport? So by grading the granules coming off may not be the best way, rather than testing the amount of granules left on the shingle? (if there was even a way to do that). Would love to hear your view on that.. Thanks man!
I’m confused, you spent days talking about how GAF is about the most terrible product on the planet. Now you are giving them four and five stars. And a 4.3 overall???
Interesting
Collaborate with Project Farm on testing.
You will not be sorry.
Will look into it! Thanks for suggestion
I agree Project Farm is good!
To bad for me that there is not 1 recommended by R.I company in my area.
Text me your zip code or city and I will find someone we can trust: 612-558-4881, Dmitry
@@RoofingInsights3.0 I send it...thanks
Damn. These cost $41 a bundle now.
Wasn't this guy in Equalizer 1? 🤣
What’s going on?!?!? I thought you aren’t allowed to do this review? Please update your followers.
Weight has nothing to do with the quality of shingles. Online reviews should not be considered because for example if I have 1 five star review I show five stars but if I have 500 reviews and I show up 4.4 then it would not be fair to compare with the company with 1 five star review. Your evaluation is flawed and should not be published.
Just like the 🍔🤣
GAF is complete garbage I will never use them again. Thanks roofing insights. My buddy got 6 roofs over 25 Sq per each roof all delivered with GAF and he had them all picked back up and returned. Will nor use GAF again
@@RoofingInsights3.0 after your review on GAF on how bad the product is. He didn't want to take chances.
@@RoofDRyxe306 so he never actually used them? Come on man.
@@skliros9235 he been using them up until he saw the video. C'mon man how Biden lol.
@@RoofDRyxe306 6 million more votes for Biden than the guy trying to stage a Coup
@@pctatc66 8 mill
Guess he settled the lawsuit.
@@RoofingInsights3.0 🤣👍
Timerlines are shit. Hdz or not never put these on your house unless you want to buy a roof every 10 years
TBH - GAF should and deserves to sue you for every penny you ever make in your life again. This stems from a personal vendetta you are not disclosing to the public. You’ve effectively de-based yourself and ruined all credibility you’ve built.
Thanks for feedback, you just know something we don’t. Since when talking about product failures considered to be vendetta? Glad we have courts not haters to judge us
@@RoofingInsights3.0 no no. You know something you aren’t telling us. This isn’t going to end well for you.
@@FishinAddiction troll. Just say it if you know.
@@19rstyle that’s cute little boy. Stay in your lane. Men are talking here.
@@FishinAddiction I think you are 5 years from becoming a man.. you act 13.