Fred W Thomas was born in 1940 in AZ, married in 1966 had 2 daughters and according to his obituary worked as a hoof trimmer for 38 years. He passed away in 2005 in Casper Wyoming.
OH, this clip is just amazing! So many funny things, from Arlene's misconception of cows, to the matrinomial banter and Dorothy and John's pun-off. Thanks so much for posting this!
@@cuivre2004 Back then was when people like a Lena Horne, etc., early on had to try to "pass" to get recognition in the business. Nowadays the term wouldn't get coined. In fact, Elvis had to try to "pass" for gospel exposure. In Horne's case, it would have been on radio for "plays" and also accommodations in certain areas. For Presley, it would have been radio and for black gospel only, as opposed to southern gospel where there'd be no issue.
@@kenretherford1197 If you watch many of these where Martin Gabel had become a semi-regular in the seat vacated at Fred Allen's death, you will note that he is a brilliant, cultured man with a warm heart, a deep sense of justice, a ready humor/wit, and he was, in fact, one of the finest American stage actors we have ever known in this country. He loved his country, wife, son, and heritage, but nothing about the man was truly dorky. Not that dorky is bad, but he had a natural sophistication and comfort with himself that most lack.
When I heard Bennett say in that audio tape that Dorothy only cared about air time and winning the game, I watched numerous 'what's my line?' videos to try to spot her getting as much air time as possible, but I couldn't actually find one, I noticed that she does play the game quite seriously but I didn't notice any unnecessary questions asked by her that wouldn't be asked by others on the panel. I actually thought that Bennett was the one who was trying to get the longest period of time on air
Lauren Cottrell I think she asked very carefully worded questions to try very hard (sometimes tortuously) to not get a no answer. This often led to long stretches of questions. But I didn't mind it. She and Arlene and Bennett all had their own style and along with John, each helped make the show great. I never loved the fourth spot, Tony Randall was about the best of the guests. And for me, the show was almost unwatchable after Dorothy passed. I liken it to Golden Palace compared to Golden Girls. You still had 3 of the 4 main actors, but somehow it didn't quite work.
@@paperbackwriter799 It was frequently true in the early days. They often fed their resident comedian (Hal Block or Steve Allen) a line of questioning to take that would generate more laughs. They cut back on it though due to wider issues in the industry. See: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1950s_quiz_show_scandals
Hands down Dorothy was a superbly better player than Bennett.. He really wasn't in any position to be passing judgement on her. I never picked up on her acting like she wanted more air time either. She was always something to watch.
it is good to keep learning in life; i always thought that the plural of hoof was hooves and now i know it is hoofs, it is so obvious this show is more intelligent then i or anyone today
Bennett being a jerk as usual. Awfully rude of him to tell Dorothy to get on with it when he himself wasn't above dropping names and going on and on about hobnobbing with celebrities.
Bennett was a weird guy from all the episodes I've seen, he acted very friendly with a number of ladies on the show and then would sometimes act like a stick in the mud with both women and men IIRC (I'm pretty sure he had a particularly bad encounter with the actor Henry Morgan in one episode).
This broadcast comes after the era of the gambit, so everything here is spontaneous. All of Arlene's witticisms, all those cow puns one after another during Dorothy's questions Arlene got them off to a great start -- figuring out early that he did something to animals and then with the funny lines. Me -- I would have asked some dull question like, "If in your mind's eye you draw a horizontal line through the middle of a cow, do you work above that line?" Yawn.
I'll post this in the main thread instead of as a reply to a question further down regarding the mortal state of Mr. Thomas. Fred Thomas is no longer alive. He departed on May 17th, 2005 at the age of 64 years. He was a hoof trimmer for dairy cows for 38 years...traveling to many states to perform this trait. Read more: www.genealogybuff.com/co/larimer/webbbs_config.pl/noframes/read/19#ixzz5h1fsG9BO
Dear calalily girl , I did live back...and there has been a loss of decency and politeness since that time. One other interesting note: females seem to have lost the realization that modesty is a most attractive thing. For a charming and delightful read on this whole idea, please find a wonderful memoir by 18 year old Dora Ranous, entitled DIARY OF A DALY DEBUTANTE thru google.
I think Bennett said get on with it because I listened to his oral history things on here and he said that Dorothy used to drag out questions in order to get more air time. He said she always did that and it always drove everyone else crazy.
You should listen to Bennett's oral history. I think there are still videos of it here on TH-cam. While it's from Bennett's mouth, it might bring you closer to an understanding of why people are hard on Dorothy sometimes.
It sounds like Bennett is saying to Dorothy, at 6:05. "Your wasting time, get out"(I could be mistaken) buts its funny how she sorta intentionally procrastinates to piss him off.
@calihartley2010 I know. I find it just a little sad. Arlene was always perfectly dressed and coiffed. Wonder what she'd think. Sometimes kids of the well-known just have a hard time...but who knows.
@calihartley2010 I'm an independent Christian, I just do not believe in prejudice....and judgements do not "need to be said." Stereotyping is not thinking deeply, sir. See how when I purposely said the same back to you how you responded?
Why exactly would the production staff decide on a superimposed card that reads "Cow manicurist (trims hoofs )" when it would be more direct to write "Trims hoofs of cows" It would be darned interesting to know just how close any of the panelists ever got to a real cow, though they did do good work to get as close to the occupation as they did.
wow the look on her face when he says it, at around 6:08. Rhe body language between Dorothy and Bennett is extremely negative toward one another in this episode, and that comment just topped it off. Wow.
Arlene: oh that's interesting! Martin (his turn) : my wife is so overwhelming. Arlene: that's the story of our life. Martin: I admit it. They were so lovely. 😉
Yes! He is! I had to listen to it twice. I couldn't believe it and found myself saying, "What a JERK!" I mean, he said it with such disgust and disrespect. And it was well known that he wasn't too very fond of DK. BTW, I think DK looks AMAZING in this episode :)
This is a great indicator that Kilgallen's death was NOT at the hands of conspirators, but by her own misguided pill popping. She's loopy as hell here, and then it got worse.
@Kate8790 bennett is full of crap. when dorothy and john were exchanging puns you could see bennett look irated like she stoled his puns. on his oral history clips he admitted he was a ham so he wanted his time on the air. I bet if the air time was broken over the history of the show he had as much time as dorothy. he could ramble with the best of them to get his airtime.
@calihartley2010 Oh please, that's not true. He's a homosexual theorist.Maybe the fact that you're a prejudiced, right-wing nut is why you felt the need to say such things.
Did you ever consider that this gentleman was a blue collar worker from rural America, a big muscular man? I'm sure finding an impeccably tailored suit was not high on his list. What an ugly, hurtful comment for you to make about an enjoyable episode to watch, and one very special to his family.
John Daly, as is his wont, once again says something totally sexist at the end when it is men who design, manufacture and sell all sorts of crippling, painful footwear that they feel enhances the attractiveness of a woman's leg for them. They all wear flat shoes, not heels.
Umm...sorry but we live in a consumer driven market. When it comes to women's clothing...the manufacturer's make what women want to buy! In fact from my experience, it is women who "keep each other in line" when it comes to fashion than any man! Most men just don't care enough about being fashionable, me included!
![What's My Line? - Darryl F. Zanuck; Sir Cedric Hardwicke [panel] (Oct 5, 1958)](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/XdKQByDoQeE/mqdefault.jpg)
Fred W Thomas was born in 1940 in AZ, married in 1966 had 2 daughters and according to his obituary worked as a hoof trimmer for 38 years. He passed away in 2005 in Casper Wyoming.
Thanks for that info! Good to know. Hoof trimmer for 38 years. God Bless him and RIP
She was always so delightfully naughty.
What I love is that the guest goes from being so shy to having a good laugh ❤
OH, this clip is just amazing! So many funny things, from Arlene's misconception of cows, to the matrinomial banter and Dorothy and John's pun-off. Thanks so much for posting this!
Arlene was hysterical--so smart and quick on the one-liners.
Arlene was so great. So sharp with her little comments.
Why did she marry a dork like Gabel?
It's called LOVE!
They don't wear horseshoes, do they? "Unless they're trying to "pass"". I didn't think that term existed back then.
@@cuivre2004 Back then was when people like a Lena Horne, etc., early on had to try to "pass" to get recognition in the business. Nowadays the term wouldn't get coined. In fact, Elvis had to try to "pass" for gospel exposure. In Horne's case, it would have been on radio for "plays" and also accommodations in certain areas. For Presley, it would have been radio and for black gospel only, as opposed to southern gospel where there'd be no issue.
@@kenretherford1197 If you watch many of these where Martin Gabel had become a semi-regular in the seat vacated at Fred Allen's death, you will note that he is a brilliant, cultured man with a warm heart, a deep sense of justice, a ready humor/wit, and he was, in fact, one of the finest American stage actors we have ever known in this country. He loved his country, wife, son, and heritage, but nothing about the man was truly dorky. Not that dorky is bad, but he had a natural sophistication and comfort with himself that most lack.
I LOVED SEEING THIS CLIP!!! Thank you so much for posting! This was one of the best clips from WML, especially the Arlene portion! I loved it all!
Big ole hoosier boy and they treat him exactly as they would any film star. Class.
Arlene was fantastic at this show, she really was.
Dorothy wasn't often funny but her steer comment was pretty quick and sharp. I really liked Dorothy as much as I liked Arlene.
As always it's Arlene Francis who comes out with the funniest crack.
"story of our life"LMAO!
arlene..simply the wittiest smartest personality ever :)
Why did she marry that dumbass Gabel?
One of the best WML's and one of my personal favs.
Arlene's Bull comment was one of her best.
"probably wouldn't interest anybody but a bull" :-)
Great episode!
When I heard Bennett say in that audio tape that Dorothy only cared about air time and winning the game, I watched numerous 'what's my line?' videos to try to spot her getting as much air time as possible, but I couldn't actually find one, I noticed that she does play the game quite seriously but I didn't notice any unnecessary questions asked by her that wouldn't be asked by others on the panel. I actually thought that Bennett was the one who was trying to get the longest period of time on air
Lauren Cottrell
I think she asked very carefully worded questions to try very hard (sometimes tortuously) to not get a no answer.
This often led to long stretches of questions.
But I didn't mind it. She and Arlene and Bennett all had their own style and along with John, each helped make the show great.
I never loved the fourth spot, Tony Randall was about the best of the guests. And for me, the show was almost unwatchable after Dorothy passed.
I liken it to Golden Palace compared to Golden Girls. You still had 3 of the 4 main actors, but somehow it didn't quite work.
Quite seriously? This show, it turns out, was rigged with the panel getting clues in advance.
justafanintexas
That's not true.
Nope, she got right down to business pretty quickly.
@@paperbackwriter799 It was frequently true in the early days. They often fed their resident comedian (Hal Block or Steve Allen) a line of questioning to take that would generate more laughs.
They cut back on it though due to wider issues in the industry.
See: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1950s_quiz_show_scandals
Never saw Dorothy with such a "duh" look on her face. (about 5:55)
This is PRICELESS....lmao
Hands down Dorothy was a superbly better player than Bennett.. He really wasn't in any position to be passing judgement on her. I never picked up on her acting like she wanted more air time either. She was always something to watch.
it is good to keep learning in life; i always thought that the plural of hoof was hooves and now i know it is hoofs, it is so obvious this show is more intelligent then i or anyone today
Bennett being a jerk as usual. Awfully rude of him to tell Dorothy to get on with it when he himself wasn't above dropping names and going on and on about hobnobbing with celebrities.
Bennett was a weird guy from all the episodes I've seen, he acted very friendly with a number of ladies on the show and then would sometimes act like a stick in the mud with both women and men IIRC (I'm pretty sure he had a particularly bad encounter with the actor Henry Morgan in one episode).
This broadcast comes after the era of the gambit, so everything here is spontaneous. All of Arlene's witticisms, all those cow puns one after another during Dorothy's questions Arlene got them off to a great start -- figuring out early that he did something to animals and then with the funny lines. Me -- I would have asked some dull question like, "If in your mind's eye you draw a horizontal line through the middle of a cow, do you work above that line?" Yawn.
Wonder if this guy is still around. He was part of one of the funniest episodes.
He passed away at the age of 65 . He married shortly after this show a few. Years later in 1966 and had 2 daughters.
One of my very fav epis for obvious reasons.
I laughed so loud when Arlene commented "Maybe he does tonsillectomy." In relation to Dorothy's comment about the neck. 😂
Clearly Arlene had a few drinks here
Great episode all around.
"Probably wouldn't interest anybody but a bull." haha!! Dorothy was always so sharp.
Arlene said it though.
Arlene Francis is in a giggling mode for sure in this one.
I think so too. Is Bennett in the background saying "Get on with it" at 6:10? He wants more airtime. Ha..
I loved it when John said "I quit! I don't know where the waist is on a cow!" That cracked me up.
I'll post this in the main thread instead of as a reply to a question further down regarding the mortal state of Mr. Thomas. Fred Thomas is no longer alive. He departed on May 17th, 2005 at the age of 64 years. He was a hoof trimmer for dairy cows for 38 years...traveling to many states to perform this trait.
Read more: www.genealogybuff.com/co/larimer/webbbs_config.pl/noframes/read/19#ixzz5h1fsG9BO
yes, I believe bennett says something like "couldn't be worse than the other two, get on with it."
Because cow manicurist is amusing, and yet it's not entirely clear what it means.
Those happy happy days...!
Thank you SOO much! I've always wanted to see this clip in its entirety! :-)
Bennett's pissed at 2:52.
Yes, one of several, but that was way up there!
I know, Arlene was doing plays every night but Sunday and she was on this show Sunday nights. Still love Arlene!
why did
Arlene Francis marry a nerd like Gabel?
Again. It's called LOVE!!!
I think Arlene was a hard worker. Busy lady.
Dear calalily girl , I did live back...and there has been a loss of decency and politeness since that time. One other interesting note: females seem to have lost the realization that modesty is a most attractive thing. For a charming and delightful read on this whole idea, please find a wonderful memoir by 18 year old Dora Ranous, entitled DIARY OF A DALY DEBUTANTE thru google.
Pedicurist really.
I think Bennett said get on with it because I listened to his oral history things on here and he said that Dorothy used to drag out questions in order to get more air time. He said she always did that and it always drove everyone else crazy.
You should listen to Bennett's oral history. I think there are still videos of it here on TH-cam. While it's from Bennett's mouth, it might bring you closer to an understanding of why people are hard on Dorothy sometimes.
It sounds like Bennett is saying to Dorothy, at 6:05. "Your wasting time, get out"(I could be mistaken) buts its funny how she sorta intentionally procrastinates to piss him off.
Yeah I heard that - love how she didn’t let it phase her for one second
*Arlene! (Dorothy is too, but it was Arlene who said that)
Fred Thomas passed away at the age of 65 and married and had 2 daughters.
How y'all know that?
Hle looks like a young John Madden
DK doesn't like the swearing at all (2:36).
Good fun. Thanks very much.
He looks like a young John Madden
@calihartley2010 I know. I find it just a little sad. Arlene was always perfectly dressed and coiffed. Wonder what she'd think. Sometimes kids of the well-known just have a hard time...but who knows.
If you like this clip, go to the GSN site and ask them to bring the show back!
6:09 Bennet says to Dorothy "Get on with it!" lol
@calihartley2010 I'm an independent Christian, I just do not believe in prejudice....and judgements do not "need to be said." Stereotyping is not thinking deeply, sir. See how when I purposely said the same back to you how you responded?
Bennett se4ms bent out of shape in this one.
Why exactly would the production staff decide on a superimposed card that reads "Cow manicurist (trims hoofs )" when it would be more direct to write "Trims hoofs of cows"
It would be darned interesting to know just how close any of the panelists ever got to a real cow, though they did do good work to get as close to the occupation as they did.
What is the original air date of this episode?
Miss Francis was a very crude woman.
Wrong again. She wasn't.
Hmm, just listened. It kind of sounds like he says, "You're acting worse than the other two, now get on with it."
I know dk can be a bit of a bword sometimes but Bennet was a jerk. it's all in good fun. this episode is hysterical!
You are just as perceptive!
@hankaaron1961 martin got the fact it was a cow,bull or steer by the 2 minute mark
I could have sworn Arlene said that?
Should have played football. Damn
wow the look on her face when he says it, at around 6:08. Rhe body language between Dorothy and Bennett is extremely negative toward one another in this episode, and that comment just topped it off. Wow.
@JoanHolloway1931 Yes, she was so good at this!
You HAVE TO love Dorothy from 5:55 to 6:00.
Amazing how Arlene gets to the point in 20 seconds?
What year is this? Both Arlene and Dorothy look so different.
1962
Arlene: oh that's interesting!
Martin (his turn) : my wife is so overwhelming.
Arlene: that's the story of our life.
Martin: I admit it.
They were so lovely. 😉
Yes! He is! I had to listen to it twice. I couldn't believe it and found myself saying, "What a JERK!" I mean, he said it with such disgust and disrespect. And it was well known that he wasn't too very fond of DK. BTW, I think DK looks AMAZING in this episode :)
"Hoof nails" - LOL! The ignorance of the rural and natural world by these city-slickers is one of the more consistently amusing themes of WML.
fishhead06 that’s bc no one cares about shit like that
@JoanHolloway1931 Yes, she DID know.
What a woman!
This is a great indicator that Kilgallen's death was NOT at the hands of conspirators, but by her own misguided pill popping. She's loopy as hell here, and then it got worse.
@Kate8790 bennett is full of crap. when dorothy and john were exchanging puns you could see bennett look irated like she stoled his puns. on his oral history clips he admitted he was a ham so he wanted his time on the air. I bet if the air time was broken over the history of the show he had as much time as dorothy. he could ramble with the best of them to get his airtime.
Shouldn’t it be pedicurist?
bullshit, she's wrong at least as often as she's right
Good healthy farm boy.
@calalilygirl Me too!
Boy, I wish i'd lived back then!
I did live "back then" as a preteen and have great memories!
Sure was great for a white person!
@wmlfan9 You do
@calihartley2010 Oh please, that's not true. He's a homosexual theorist.Maybe the fact that you're a prejudiced, right-wing nut is why you felt the need to say such things.
Who cares?!
Poor beautiful animals slaughtered en masse for no good reason
It's so sad that this man couldn't find a suit of clothes to fit him properly on National TV.
Did you ever consider that this gentleman was a blue collar worker from rural America, a big muscular man? I'm sure finding an impeccably tailored suit was not high on his list. What an ugly, hurtful comment for you to make about an enjoyable episode to watch, and one very special to his family.
He was on one of the funniest WML’s, Irrelevant comment
John Daly, as is his wont, once again says something totally sexist at the end when it is men who design, manufacture and sell all sorts of crippling, painful footwear that they feel enhances the attractiveness of a woman's leg for them. They all wear flat shoes, not heels.
Umm...sorry but we live in a consumer driven market. When it comes to women's clothing...the manufacturer's make what women want to buy! In fact from my experience, it is women who "keep each other in line" when it comes to fashion than any man!
Most men just don't care enough about being fashionable, me included!