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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 26 มิ.ย. 2024
- I received Tesla FSD beta v12.3 over the weekend. In this video, I share how v12.3 performs in LA traffic and discovered failure points with this FSD update.
00:00 Intro/Disclaimer
02:30 Mini roundabouts route test
08:54 v12.3 failure points & intervention
15:00 Rebuttal to reactions on X
19:04 Revisiting v12.3 point of failure route
24:45 Weird intersection route test
32:22 Closing remarks
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As a software/firmware developer, a tester that is critical and reports as many issues as possible, is the best I like to work with. To have a good product, thorough testing is required. It means that updates will be less frequent, but overall quality will be better. And it will be beneficial both to the company and shareholders. So, great job, and try not to mind people, who know nothing, or are just not aware of your background.
Thank you!
I was using v12.2.1 which compared to V11 was significant and major improvement. Had more non-intervention and non-disengagement drives in my first week than I had in 3 years. But that version was too aggressive and took high risk on left hand turns. Now with V12.3, they fixed the aggressiveness, and i have not had any interventions or critical disengagements, but Navigation errors not present in v12.2.1 have now been introduced. When the car comes to a point where it has to chose between two lanes, it gets indecisive sometimes and makes errors in routing, just as you experienced in your drive. It also will not follow the mapped route randomly. So while they are moving at break-neck speed improving FSD, it will take some time before they massage all the bugs out of this version. I believe this will get us to the finish line as long as beta testers continue to identify and report the errors for Tesla to resolve.
Well done. Testers who find issues are more valuable than those who simply demonstrate success.
Finally a critique of fsd beta. Everyone is literally saying how amazing it is to get the views
A much appreciated balanced review and good commentary.Well done!
Just note that FSD will not be production ready by only solving a handful of edge cases encountered by beta testers or even a larger user base. The reason is that edge cases by their very nature are infinite and thus will never be solved by picking off one at a time. In my view, the only way FSD will ever achieve L4/L5 autonomy is with AGI. Until then FSD may "appear" to be improving all the time whilst in actual fact, it would still be firmly stuck at 90%.
This is a great video about the current state of FSD. Much better than it used to be but still has a ways to go. Very important to keep testing edge cases to feed more video data to the training models
@10:30 it would have been nice to see how long it took FSD to choose the right lane - there was no danger. @25:30 When it gets orange light and stops over line, it looks like it started to accelerate to clear the intersection but there was risk of a traffic backup, so it changed its mind to stay put, which seems a reasonable choice. @30:15 please check if there is a car waiting behind you before forcing FSD to crawl forward (unless there was one, I didn't see one in the 3D display) - otherwise you take away opportunity to see how FSD behaves in the situation and how much more it needs to improve here. Keep up the good work. I'm enjoying your commentary.
Thanks. However, you were not the one driving so you cannot make those judgement calls for me based on how people drive here in LA. People will get into road rage if you let them wait for too long. It needs to be much more precise and aggressive than what the current assertive mode offers, which is what I indicated at beginning of video.
I think there's some misunderstanding going on here
I have FSD on my Tesla and it is NOWHERE near ready. Not even close.
Great review. Looks like quite a lot of improvements. I wonder if you can test that illegal left turn it did in the beginning a couple of times to see if it has learned to turn left on the left lane.
I feel as full autonomy should NEVER be a thing. This things should ALWAYS be used under supervision just as an extra backup. It’s good but ALL technology fails and that’s why we have humans. You earned a subscriber for your honesty cause it’s definitely not perfect.
L5 won’t be achieved until all cars on the road are also running L5. I’ve been saying this for years.
You are totally correct: Angelinos don't suffer any traffic foolishness. FSD efficacy is not just about avoiding accidents - it's also about not having everyone on the road screaming at you. I admire your honesty. Banish the trolls!
It's already so good!!! really amazing!!. Not surprising it may still make mistakes so stay vigilant and drive safe!
Thank you for all your work and posting this. I don't know why anyone would want to "troll" you. It's refreshing to see a balanced, honest critique of FSD Beta and not some totally butt kissing of the product and Tesla. I'm a shareholder too and potential buyer. One sided "reviews" that attempt to pump up the company don't help the stock or the company. Honesty, telling it like you see it does
Thank you.
I think the Golden Rule applies here as far as trollers go. Make sure they are prepared & willing to fully reciprocate your commitments, before acknowledging them further. Great job 👏!
Thank you. 👍
Thanks, love comparing notes with you. It does feel like my car is completely different from before. I find myself unconsciously taking over because I don't trust it as much anymore haha. Because it acts differently now. And yes, something a bit more aggressive would be nice and stopping a little closer to the car infront. As it is now, just doesn't cut it in the big cities. Been experiencing wonkiness as well on some turns even though it's done it before. Sometimes it just doesn't want to go.
We need more objective videos like yours! Keep up the great work.
This version is way better than the previous v11 version in many many aspects. However, there are things that are very concerning about it, my model Y for example tried to killed me yesterday when instead of trying to take the exit on the HOV lane it was sort of confused about when to take the exit @60mph and was driving straight to the division where they put the water tanks to prevent fatal accidents. That was a very scary situation that I never experienced with the previous version and had to take over really fast. It also no longer takes the entrance to my work parking lot for some reason.
Joy, did you notice the deviation from lanekeeping just after 10:30? It seems as though there is a correction attempt with the yoke oscillating.
Can you think of any rationale for it not staying centered?
I have no idea.
How’s the latest version of fsd perform on an older hardware 3 car vs hardware 4? Should there be a difference?
I just tried out 12.3 in the Seattle area and it is indeed much smother especially on residential roads, The auto speed feature so far is working well as the car kept up with the surrounding traffic despite the posted speed. It's second by second driving is definaty better but it's navigation planning has regressed.. Once on the freeway the system ignored several requested lane changes to get into my exit lane so I canceled. Another time near home at a near stop it suddenly turned right instead of the left shown on the screen. I ended up on an extended sightseeing detour which was ok, I had the time to see what the new update would do,
Navigation under 11.4.9 was better, hopefully they'll fix it in the next update.
You got it before me. Preach
Honestly, the car did quite well here. Very few actually unsafe manuevers. And it seemed like you were quite impatient with the creeping. I felt you intervened too early. These are minor mistakes in my eyes. I don’t think you have any bad intentions, I just think maybe you’re expecting too much.
This is why I said we need LA mode. Nobody has patience in LA. It's cut throat out here.
Excellent Joy. Personally want an autonomous or Future Self Driving vehicle for highways and long trips. In city or urban areas prefer to drive, though would want the vehicle to take over to avoid an accident. Since a computer can respond far faster than a human.
Your reviews are more than fair. I wouldn’t give the trolls any attention. Not worth it. Keep positive girl.
Thank you.
Great video, thank you so much. I was having many failure/disengagements as well with the same version, so it was interesting to see some parallels there. I leave a voice comment after every failure. Really hoping the AI is listening.. i also notice it will sometimes stay like 5-10mph under the speed limit at times, then i will have to disengage because of angry tailgaters. Hope the next version will learn better. It still feels like v11 to me 😣
Thanks for sharing. The speed limit issue is a bug and should be fixed in the next release. When that happens just tap on acceleration so you can get car up to speed instead of disengaging.
My anxiety. It's hard driving that part of Culver City for humans.
I haven't received a update since December 2023
I drove with v12.3 yesterday-smoother, confident. Did 2 cul de sacs smoothly with parked cars. Stopped at freeway on ramp signal(red green red green), started route from parallel parking with car in front and pulled out if parking space safely (backed in) . superior parking lot navigation.
a few lane choice errors. one disengagement-too close to fence.
Overall great progress, but not perfect.
Thanks for sharing but did you watch this video?
Question , is Tesla map in real time traffics monitoring. Is there ever a case study where FSD follows the route . And in real time FSD see an accident , say few minutes prior . Is FSD smart with the camera monitor and takes a different route . As FSD sees the traffics or flashing emergency fire trucks or police reroute traffics ?
Yes I have real time traffic data with my navigation. And no it doesn’t recognize emergency vehicles.
There have been examples of it using what it sees instead of its given route to make a decision. My favorite was a clip where its nav wanted to take a left turn, but there was none. It initially kept creeping closer to get a better look at it, but still couldn’t see it.
Then a car came from its right, and while its navigation didn’t update, it suddenly changed course as if to realize “hey, a car came from there, i can go that way,” and since it couldn’t find the left turn it wanted, it did so. It does process what it sees and abandons navigation for sight alone when needed.
Do more of these video and use FSD to generate edge cases. Thank you
Hi I have playlists on my channel for edge cases that you can check out. Thanks!
At 10:10 i think you were okay? the light shows straight and left? Upvoted!!
Nope. I’ve lived in the area for 20 years and there’s always only 1 left turning lane indicated by the left arrow on the ground. Also the lane I was in had dashes going across the intersection leading the path straight.
There’s a discrepancy between the light arrow and the lack of arrow on the ground. This is a good edge case. If you drive it more and report it, Tesla can train on which indicator (ground arrow or light arrow) should be the deciding factor. It seems like fsd uses the light arrow indicator over the lack of a ground arrow as the deciding factor.
So the last 5 years of driving at this interaction did nothing to train the system?
Joy, most of the early 12.3 YT videos are based on vehicles with HW4 and low traffic middle of the night drives. Your vehicle has HW3 as does mine. I’m more interested in your results than those others. 🙏🏻
Excellent video Joy, far more useful than simply pretending everything is perfect. On the one hand it seems brilliant but also realistically this still looks a long way away from being able to throw away the driver controls.
Here is another thought. For those edge cases, it maybe easier to fix the road/intersection and make it less confusing than to fix the FSD in software.
Hahaha good luck with that dealing with local government. 🤭
Keep telling the truth and don't let the stans and the haters get to you. People don't like those not in their tribe and the people that are truly truthful about this are in neither.
I never ride in assertive mode it’s too aggressive and tries to change lanes extremely too much which to me causes it to have more room for errors and make some careless moves. I usually go Average with minimal lane changes. I only go aggressive when there’s really no traffic.
You need to come to LA and drive.
Please keep telling the truth..it will save many from accidents ....saying the bitter truth often saves.its wat I want to hear rather than sweet talking...but did u Know that each time that car fails somewhere and u repeat the drive again it learns and does it better ..so we a teaching this computer to be like human and am glad that it's learning.
Thanks. However, those routes I’ve been driving on for the last 20 years that I’ve been living there. If FSD hasn’t learned them after years of driving over and over, then something is wrong with the algorithm.
Hi I have a question!! Pls forgive me I’m a fsd newbie. But is it normal for Tesla fsd to speed up fast? For example, I’m heading home with my destination set, fsd on chill, and my model x comes to a stop 🛑 to turn left, and it goes from 0 to the 45mph speed limit FAST! Like it wants to race!! And I get so scared. Is it like that? I feel like I’m the only one and it makes me sad that I can’t enjoy fsd. I know that it’s also in beta but yeah
Yes and that’s exactly what I want haha! We need that LA mode here! It was dragging and taking forever before which was frustrating to me. Maybe you can set your speed limit lower so it doesn’t go up to 45mph?
@@TeslaJoy Yes I tried doing that! I was following the 55mph speed limit, and I “preset” it to 30mph so it would purposely go slow on the left turn but as soon as it started turning to the left the speed limit updated! Back to 45mph so it shocked me 😱 For now, I’ll stick to using autopilot on road trips rather than city driving since I live in a very small city i don’t need autopilot a lot
@@CristienPerez ahh I see. Then the car is following the traffic rule if the speed is set at 45mph.
@@TeslaJoy While it’s good it’s following the laws/rules of the road, it just accelerates too fast. I think this is something that needs to be fixed over an update. Mainly I was here to see if anyone was having my issues too!
I think most people are complaining about cat reaching the set maximum speed though, not for going too fast. 🤭
Why do you think the second lane was not left turnings lane? Left most was left turn only. Second lane did not have any sign saying that it is straight only.
It’s not what I think but that’s what the traffic rules are. Left turning lane is marked by a left arrow as shown in video. I’ve also lived there for 20 years and that intersection has always had 1 left turning lane. If you go back to that section you will see my lane had dash markings across the intersection guiding straight instead of going left and hence that lane was for going straight only.
Wait until FSD v13 comes. This will get people into full self-driving whether they drive or not!
Isn't always the next version, in any case??
They are not messed up the new version compare with v11. They deleted 300k c++ program code. The new version based on end to end ai video trained stack. So it takes time until fsd learn everithing what human drive can do.
So you’re saying all the training and learning FSD has been doing since 2018/2019 are wiped away? That doesn’t make sense.
@@DerekDavis213 i agree. But you have only two eyes, tesla has more cameras. Its reaction time can be more fast than a human. In time fsd will drive much safer like human
@@DerekDavis213 fsd cant improve over one point, on ai based it can more and more clever.
@@DerekDavis213 fsd will trained by ai, maybe one day fsd will be an agi . An thinking capable program. Nobody knows at this point what will can do somewhene in the future. You say stop working on fsd because you cant imagine it can be better than human? Are you joking?
10:03 I think the car is correct and you are wrong. I think the lane you are in can go either straight or left. Notice when the lights turn green how the light above the left lane has a green left arrow only and the light over your lane (one lane to the right) has both a straight arrow and a left arrow. You can turn left from the two left lanes so the car did nothing wrong and this was not a "failure".
No you are wrong. I’ve lived in the area for 20 years and there’s only one left turning lane. Also the dashed line on the ground leads that lane straight ahead, not going left. There’s only 1 turning lane which is indicated by a left arrow as shown in video.
Good catch i think your right.
nice video Joy......miss CC!
It slows down for a duck… Yeap, v12.3 slows down for a duck on the road!
Haha yes! Mine slowed down for a cat the other night.
Of course it could. The cat that crossed my path was grey.
I think the navigation lags when communicating with the driving stack. It seems like the car is not aware that it needs to turn until it’s too late.
Sorry Joy, isn't it a logo on the screen to report any failure to TESLA directly??? Ive seen other Testers that in the moment that something happens they send a voice message explaining the problem that happened. So that is a better way of advicing TESLA the mistakes so you dont have to be in the spotlight.
Nope. They took that camera icon away like 2 years ago. You can go check out my earlier EAP/AP videos and see that icon. Also for voice recording you have to disengage in order for that to pop up. If you don’t disengage then there’s no way to report the mistake.
One thing I’ve noticed is the frunk won’t open after a drive unless your lock all doors then unlock and try and open the frunk on 12.3. I’m sure it’s an easy fix but kind of annoying.
Interesting. I’ve not had that issue with my frunk.
Ignore the trolls. There will always be one.
looks like you had a worse experience than most have had with this new version. I'm sure it will be improved soon. Sorry for the hate you have had about voicing your experiences, I was a bit surprised how poor your experience was compared to others though.
I’ve been telling Elon to test FSD in LA but he won’t listen to me. 😭
@@DerekDavis213 I'm not sure about that. Many of testers I follow (and it is a lot) are critical when needed and this has been a vast improvement in many parts of the country.
@@TeslaJoy there has been many calls for lots of the country too. New York was poor and this improved in this version.
@@johnbaker5533I'm in NY State and have observed regressions and some pretty egregious errors, similar to Joy's.
Or were you referring to the Big Apple?
The system is still tenable for the most part but when it's wrong, it's very wrong.
@@DerekDavis213 I don't think anyone is saying it is truly autonomous driving. More that it has improved loads, for it seems 95+% of people out there. Let's review again in another 6 months and see where we are at.
25:34 really dangerous move by FSD could have been a rear end
Tesla FSD is like a child that never grows up. At this point it's no use trying. Their approach won't solve FSD
I disagree. FSD has grown so much. Please go watch all my FSD challenging spot playlists and you will see how far it’s come along.