Thanks for watching Andrew. I agree with you, these machines were once king before milling machines took over being faster at equivalent machining operations. Tony
I used a shaper when I was in high school. Fifteen years later, I returned to that school as the machine shop teacher. The shaper was still in very good running condition. This was the last functional shaper in the school district. Today, Pittsburgh (PA) has no more machine shops.
Hi Kevin, spot on. The objective was to set the ram travel within a confined space for practice purposes. Too easy using the the mill. Thanks for your comment. Tony
@philhermetic Hi Phil, thanks for the compliment. It was quite enjoyable having to run the shaper ram at low speed, so the clapper box didn't bounce back up at the start of the forward cutting stroke. Cheers Tony
Gday Tony, perfect job, shapers still have there place in every workshop, doing this in the mill would need a long series endmill which aren’t cheap, great job mate, cheers
Tricky setup job.... Nicely done! If I ever have the time to spare and a place to put it, I think I’ll go ahead and make me one of those Gingery shapers...
@haroldpearson6025 Hi Harold, it's an Elliott 14M, it's bigger brother. Nice machine, it runs well. I have to tweek the ram stroke timing in a future video, its slightly out of sync with the table feed. Hope it's brought you some good memories back.........Tony
@@eyuptony Hi Tony, Thanks for the response. I was trained as a tool maker in the late 50s. My lifetime hobby has been model engineering with a number of live steam locos built. Prior to retirement I was stationed in developing countries and had my own workshop. The two main machines were a Colchester Chipmaster fitted with a robust vertical slide for milling and the Elliot M10. I have never liked table top hobbyist millers and never needed one for my hobby. Shapers may be slow, but I don't think they are that slow, more to do with knowing how to use one😃 All the best, Harold.
Hi Craig, that's overkill comparing me with Rustinox on running a shaper. I'm a joker really bluffing it, but Rustinox is even funnier at being a real joker. I can't win...lol Rustinox's procedures are proven well thought out facts. My method is bang a cutter in, fingers crossed and hope I get a good result this time lol. I'm looking forward to your magnificent shaper working and you being mesmerised watching it cutting it's first chips along with us here on YT. Thanks Craig. Tony
You know what they say about shapers you can make anything but money but I find it the most satisfying thing to watch and have made really good quality thing with my shaper at home work shop
Apologies Tony - this did not pop on my feed. Sorry for being tardy to this world premiere. Great work and explanations. Good work thinking it through. All the best Dan
Shapers that have a crank adjustment for stroke length are the cat's meow. I like my little Alba but would trade up to a unit with that feature if one came available.
@@eyuptony Mine can adjust for stroke length, it just needs the side case opened, a nut loosened, and the sliding block manually moved. I think the ones like yours with the crank to adjust are the cat's meow!
I have an Alba 1A 10inçh shaper which was a real labour of love to restore it back to the nice condition it is now in. I missed buying an Elliot 16 inch which I think is the same as your machine.
@@howardosborne8647 Hi Howard, nice to hear that you've a passion for your old Alba 1A shaping machine. Shapers are great machines to watch when working. My shaper is an Elliott 14M which is a fourteen inch stroke but it's calibrated with metric dials. Tony
Great job with the shaper, we have an Alba shaper which we need to get working. In your video I could not help noticing the vice you have on the shaper, we have an identical vice. Do you know anything about these vice or where we can look for information? Were these designed as a shaper vice? It seems odd that the vice does not appear to have a gib strip
Thanks Joseph. Alba and Elliott shapers used to be made by the same company, different badge. You'll have the correct original vice that came with your machine. Tony
When they closed the shop, all the machines were sold at auction. I was warned that all the lead screws were to be in the machines. The night of the auction, the screws were missing from three of South Bend Precision lathes. Along with the collets, chucks , live centers and drill chucks. Looks like a supervisor did it as he was the one doing the bidding.
Nice one Tony, bit of a bastard to set up and annoying to have to grind the body of the tool in order to do it. But you have to do what you have to do!
Hi Peter, as you know, you can't compete with mates rates labour costs. Choosing Abom79 was no brainer. Keith Rucker might want some pidgeon sh*t welding doing in the future. That's where I come in. Thanks for the complimen, lol. Cheers Tony
Almost always a modern mill can do the work of a shaper. An example of a shaper-only (or at least shaper-preferred) job would be cutting internal splines or keyways.
Hats off to the clever engineers who originally designed and built such great machines. Thank you for sharing such an interesting video. 👏👏👍😀 Andrew
Thanks for watching Andrew. I agree with you, these machines were once king before milling machines took over being faster at equivalent machining operations. Tony
Hello Tony,
Always good to see the shaper in action... They are such an underrated machine in this modern world...
Take care.
Paul,,
Your right there Paul thanks for watching. Tony
They sure are under rated for versatility. That is why I love having one in my workshop.
I used a shaper when I was in high school. Fifteen years later, I returned to that school as the machine shop teacher. The shaper was still in very good running condition. This was the last functional shaper in the school district.
Today, Pittsburgh (PA) has no more machine shops.
No more machine shops, such a shame, Keith. Did you manage to save the metal shaper, or do you know of its whereabouts? Cheers Tony
Excellent video - I've been trying to understand the force delivery mechanism inside a metal shaper, and this does it beautifully. Thank you!
Thank you very much. I'm glad my simplified laymans interpretation has helped you.......Tony
Very interesting use of the shaper. Well Done !!! Thanks for sharing.
Thanks for your time watching Robin. Tony
Hi Tony, yes this could have been machined on the mill and quicker but the Shaper is far more therapeutic and very satisfying to watch. Cheers Kevin
Hi Kevin, spot on. The objective was to set the ram travel within a confined space for practice purposes. Too easy using the the mill. Thanks for your comment. Tony
Persistence pays off! Well done, bit of a tricky job, but you succedded!
Phil
@philhermetic Hi Phil, thanks for the compliment. It was quite enjoyable having to run the shaper ram at low speed, so the clapper box didn't bounce back up at the start of the forward cutting stroke. Cheers Tony
nice work Tony in a tight corner, the shaper saves the day!
Thank you Roy for your time watching and your kind comment. Tony
Gday Tony, perfect job, shapers still have there place in every workshop, doing this in the mill would need a long series endmill which aren’t cheap, great job mate, cheers
Gday Matty, your right about the price of milling cutters these days. Appreciate your comment, input and time watching. Tony
I think that a sturdy face mill bit would do the job.
Tricky setup job.... Nicely done!
If I ever have the time to spare and a place to put it, I think I’ll go ahead and make me one of those Gingery shapers...
Hi There Zed -Sin you'll love it if you ever get the chance. Appreciated, Tony
That looks like an M10 Elliot, I had one of those, brilliant machine and very accurate.
@haroldpearson6025 Hi Harold, it's an Elliott 14M, it's bigger brother. Nice machine, it runs well. I have to tweek the ram stroke timing in a future video, its slightly out of sync with the table feed. Hope it's brought you some good memories back.........Tony
@@eyuptony
Hi Tony,
Thanks for the response.
I was trained as a tool maker in the late 50s. My lifetime hobby has been model engineering with a number of live steam locos built.
Prior to retirement I was stationed in developing countries and had my own workshop. The two main machines were a Colchester Chipmaster fitted with a robust vertical slide for milling and the Elliot M10.
I have never liked table top hobbyist millers and never needed one for my hobby.
Shapers may be slow, but I don't think they are that slow, more to do with knowing how to use one😃
All the best,
Harold.
Well done Tony, very satisfying to watch and a great result. Cheers, Jon
Thanks very much for your kind words Jon, appreciate that you enjoyed watching me learning about this machine on the actual job. Tony
See Jon there is a washer/spacer, watched yours before this one honest indjun GB :)
nice one Tony, a ticklish job well executrd!
Cheers Phil for watching, it was more interesting setting the stroke up than the usual stuff. Tony
You weren't kidding about confined space...you and rustinox are magicians on these shapers ..lol
Hi Craig, that's overkill comparing me with Rustinox on running a shaper. I'm a joker really bluffing it, but Rustinox is even funnier at being a real joker. I can't win...lol
Rustinox's procedures are proven well thought out facts. My method is bang a cutter in, fingers crossed and hope I get a good result this time lol.
I'm looking forward to your magnificent shaper working and you being mesmerised watching it cutting it's first chips along with us here on YT. Thanks Craig. Tony
G'day Tony. Not much wiggle room but you overcame the problem, amazing machine all be it slow. Cheers Peter
Isn't it great when your not working against the clock. Thanks for your comment Peter. Tony
Beautiful machine! Subscribed!
Hi Jeremy, thanks for watching and for your support. Appreciated. Tony
Eyup Sithi Tony, cracking job there mate,thanks for sharing
Hi Ralfy, thanks very much for your compliment and time watching. Tony
Very nice work.
You pulled off a difficult job.
Take care, EM.
Thank you, Ed for your compliment. It was a bit of a challenge compared to the usual jobs I've done previously on the shaper. Tony
Good demo of stroke mechanism there Tony. Tight work facing that boss in that bracket but a perfect job for a shaper. Cheers.
Thanks for watching, appreciate your comment. Tony
You know what they say about shapers you can make anything but money but I find it the most satisfying thing to watch and have made really good quality thing with my shaper at home work shop
Hi Dale. Life's not always about money. It'll make money, it just depends how much money you want. Thanks for watching. Tony y
Hi Tony, good to see you back making vids, keep em coming !
Hi Del, thanks for your support dropping by. Cheers Tony
Apologies Tony - this did not pop on my feed. Sorry for being tardy to this world premiere. Great work and explanations. Good work thinking it through.
All the best
Dan
Hi Dan. Your comments just popped up on mine lol. Thanks for dropping in once again. Cheers Tony
I subscribed to your channel Tony.
Take care, Ed.
Thank You very much for your support, Ed. Tony
Glad I found this video. Interesting! 👍
Thanks for your support Dudley. Tony
Shapers that have a crank adjustment for stroke length are the cat's meow. I like my little Alba but would trade up to a unit with that feature if one came available.
Hi Everett. I thought all shapers had the ram adjustment, thanks for the info and your time watching. Tony
@@eyuptony Mine can adjust for stroke length, it just needs the side case opened, a nut loosened, and the sliding block manually moved. I think the ones like yours with the crank to adjust are the cat's meow!
I loved using our old shaper. t was large, but nothing can hog out like a shaper.
Great to hear your story. Thanks for watching.....Tony
Proving once again that on the shaper you can make whatever you want. Just go for it.
Thank you for your input Rustinox, it's also more enjoyable and relaxing to watch as well. It's a win win. Tony
My shaper is my favourite machine in the shop.
Hi Howard, great machines. What make, and size is your shaper. Thanks for your comment. Tony
I have an Alba 1A 10inçh shaper which was a real labour of love to restore it back to the nice condition it is now in. I missed buying an Elliot 16 inch which I think is the same as your machine.
@@howardosborne8647 Hi Howard, nice to hear that you've a passion for your old Alba 1A shaping machine. Shapers are great machines to watch when working. My shaper is an Elliott 14M which is a fourteen inch stroke but it's calibrated with metric dials. Tony
Great job with the shaper, we have an Alba shaper which we need to get working. In your video I could not help noticing the vice you have on the shaper, we have an identical vice. Do you know anything about these vice or where we can look for information? Were these designed as a shaper vice? It seems odd that the vice does not appear to have a gib strip
Thanks Joseph. Alba and Elliott shapers used to be made by the same company, different badge. You'll have the correct original vice that came with your machine. Tony
@@eyuptony That is great information, thanks. I think our vice may be too large for the shaper model we have but we will have to check
Eyup Tony thats a bugger of a machine! TFS, GB :)
Thanks for watching Graeme appreciated. Tony
When they closed the shop, all the machines were sold at auction. I was warned that all the lead screws were to be in the machines. The night of the auction, the screws were missing from three of South Bend Precision lathes. Along with the collets, chucks , live centers and drill chucks. Looks like a supervisor did it as he was the one doing the bidding.
Cheers, Keith. Interesting outcome.....Tony
Great video, can you effectively cut with a 1/4” stroke? Have a great day.
Hi FK Kayak'n, I presume so but I have never tried it. Thanks for watching. Tony
nice job on that
Thanks Stovepipe, appreciated. Tony
Grand job Tony
Thanks for your time dropping in DwA and your subscription, appreciated. Tony
Very nice work
Thank you Rusty. Take care......Tony
Good job bro
Thank you, appreciate. Tony
good video tony
Thank you Tr P M A, appreciate you watching. Tony
A tight spot but you got it done.
Hi Tom, appreciate you watching. Tony
Nice one Tony, bit of a bastard to set up and annoying to have to grind the body of the tool in order to do it. But you have to do what you have to do!
Hi SAMRODIAN. It's just for fun, not a commercial job. It's been quite enjoyable trying this set up out on the shaper. Thanks for your support. Tony
Keith Rucker should have sent you the stoker engine casting instead of Adam Booth, lol.
Hi Peter, as you know, you can't compete with mates rates labour costs. Choosing Abom79 was no brainer. Keith Rucker might want some pidgeon sh*t welding doing in the future. That's where I come in. Thanks for the complimen, lol. Cheers Tony
you must have plenty of time on your hands. I would have chucked it in the mill. nice job though.
Hi Paul. Thanks for watching, I could have done that but I was after the challenge lol. Thanks for the compliment. Tony
Couldn’t it have been done on a mill?
Hi Mark, yes but this was more of a challenge to me just to have a go on the shaper. Thanks for your question. Tony
@@eyuptony As it was 0200 here in Australia when I watched your video, I was just looking for easy. Thanks for the video. Have a good one 👍🇦🇺
Almost always a modern mill can do the work of a shaper.
An example of a shaper-only (or at least shaper-preferred) job would be cutting internal splines or keyways.
so after all its common sense.
Hi. Yes, it's a learning curve, but you need to have a bit of gumption to work it out.....Tony
Muito bom mesmo.
Thank you for viewing, appreciated.....Tony