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The point he made about the way we train is huge. I used to play OpFor a lot. A single cinderblock or sandbag would wreck entire fireteams. Guys absolutely weren't prepared for any kind of resistance at all. If the door didnt give, didnt open fully, hit resistance, guys would just bunch up and block the first guy or trip over the top of him when he fell.
Let’s get out in front of this. Dry wall is not cover. Nobody thinks it is, what it is, is concealment. Concealment- obscures you from the bad guy. Using Concealment is taught as a concept, idea, and tactic in every military and law enforcement agency (I imagine globally). Because you point out that dry wall is concealment…it doesn’t mean that it won’t provide you the very purpose of concealment. Your alternative places you in the room, which offers you neither cover or concealment…and as pointed out in the intro video….shot a lot waiting for #3 guy to enter to find the bad guy. It’s a cost to benefit ratio, its probabilities, likelihoods and statistics…there isn’t anybody…who thinks (objectively) you are safer inside the room with gunman.
Absolutely agree. I am a big fan of using deliberate entry and I am fully aware that even cinder block and concrete walls (which are the common building type in my area) do not provide cover against all threats. I still believe being concealed until I decide to initiate the confrontation or being able to retreat from the confrontation under concealment if necessary is a big advantage.
@@PineappleProphet True - just like wearing oxygen mask on a failed plane, every safety brief ask you to wear your own first before helping others, because its the different between losing one or losing two. A dead SWAT isn't going to save any hostage. And even before that, there is one VERY dangerous move - making entry alone without any gadgets. For any room that has more than one opening, I don't care if you are the best CQB combatant in the world, you still have 50% chance to get shot in the back and die immediately and the bad guy is totally intact.
If you have never been in combat and never been kinetic in a building you don’t know. It’s not as smooth as training goes…. Usually after the first room is cleared the enemy already knows you’re there.
SurvivingTheStreet, I must say, your videos have already taught me so much about self-defense. But when it comes to handling firearms, there's no teacher I'd rather have than you. Your ability to convey the details and nuances of effective firearm defense is truly outstanding. It's crucial that we not only understand firearm ownership but also how to use them safely and responsibly. Your emphasis on education, legal knowledge, and mental preparedness is exactly what we all need to protect ourselves and our loved ones. Thank you for not only showing us the techniques but also the necessary wisdom to apply them correctly. Keep up the great work!
I’m going to try. You just can’t appear in the same frame which is problematic for CQB. Because you need to be so close to your buddy to hit those angles quickly
Room clearing just seems so insanely dangerous to me no matter what you do it seems, especially if it's a military engagement. Partially obstructed door for example with a small hallway closet next to it. Try to breech the door, find out it partially opens, while fiddling with it a claymore or pipe bomb by the closet goes off. Or opening the door partway pulls a string tied to the pin of a grenade, strikes a match to a room full of gas, homemade flamethrower in a ventilation system with the vent cover gone, enemy sets up in an adjacent building and sees guys enter a room then shoot an RPG through the window at the door while everyone is clustered right there, set up sandbags and a heavy support machinegun and rake the door and the adjacent walls... ... Hell, just knowing that professional squads or well-trained police officers are on either side of a door, combined with knowing just how easily a bullet penetrates through thin drywall; yeah it blocks line-of-sight, but it's hardly any protection at all. Aim near the center of the door and you're very likely to hit someone.
If you read field manuals on how to setup the defence of the house in military setting, it's insane. Kill zones in approach, sandbagged windows, murder holes, grenade holes, barricaded venues... In reality most of these are skipped in favor of mobility, but one important problem still remains, the enemy knows exactly where you will come from, you don't! To equalize the chance, grenade always enters first! But as a civilian, the most important question is, in what situation would you need to forcibly enter a building full of enemy combatants?
Videos like this are ground breaking in the community and have been needed for far too long. Too many people out there in every branch of military/special forces and in LE has passed along so many tactics without testing or critically analyzing in exquisite detail if the CQB techniques they use make sense or not. They just do what they are taught, and bad tactics are passed down without question because they were quote "paid for in blood" which creates this false environment where they think questioning those same tactics are beyond reproach. Even if those same tactics dont make any sense. Any tactic used by any unit no matter how "prestigious" must make sense and they must be able to clearly expain in exquisite detail precisely while those tactics are implemented.
People often think if they do what SFs do they become closer to SFs. But they often forget how SFs do things is exactly because the type unit they're in and the premises they operate on, which is quite often different from a lot of us face as civilians.
A lot of what people think SF do or are shown to do in the media and basic courses for hobbyists is what they did 40 years ago, and often not all of it. It's fairly clear if you actually listen to them, the approach was getting very diverse and changing a lot in the 90s already, which is around the time when the drill was being introduced military-wide. Right now, from what I gathered, the rule is basically "lead chooses the entry, second confirms, rest follows".
There's a time and place for all those tactics people but not everything SF does is wrong if you have dynamic supporting elements nothing wrong running dynamic entry and tactics
I have been following your videos for a few weeks now. You are literally everything i try to convey to my swat guys. Your ability to communicate the WHY is very good. I demonstrate to my guys and they get it, but my Lt. Has his old school cronie who refuses certain change. Love your content and wish ppl were more like you and are more about knowledge and the why, then showmanship and refusing to change or adapt.
My favorite thing is teaching guys breaching techniques just to then barricade the door on the first practical, haha. Good video, even for my guys in the military, they all think every situation involves throwing bodies through the door and as soon as the door is open it means everyone is flooding in. Gotta remind them they aren't CAG sometimes.
I think what gets lost in translation with a lot of room clearing techniques and procedures is the instructor actually setting the stage for students. You touch on this briefly at 0:50 but should be addressed prior to any tactics are discussed and/or demonstrated. The situation (facts and circumstances) will dictate your tactics. Hasty vs a deliberate entry, HR vs non-HR. I'm really appreciating your content, keep up the great work.
Good stuff. Always take a 51/49 advantage for sure. Honestly the biggest problem is only full time teams can practice this enough. As a former street cop, you won’t get the training. You also need to make sure your partners are on the same page. Get your own training and don’t depend on the department. It’s your life that’s at risk. Keep up the good work 🤙
@@Forward_Concepts Very true. I’m fortunate to be on a full time team who trains this all the time. As a patrol cop though you will be there first and probably for a few hours before we show up. When SHTF you are the tip of the spear. Much respect for our first line guys. Be ready because we won’t always be the ones doing the hard part.
As someone who’s done a substantial amount of in-service training for multiple departments, I was always surprised to discover how much training motivated LEOs had to cover/seek out on their own.
As a former street cop I absolutely agree. Luckily we usually had the same people on shift at the same time (the service groups would rotate through the different shift times) so on slow days we‘d grab our tac kits and started sweeping either the station or abandoned buildings. It really helped us during actual calls.
I’m guilty of some of the things you pointed out, going from the cqb mindset of being an infantryman to a police officer, these videos are helping me become better.
Explosive breaches and flash bangs was something not shown in BCMs ‘The Capability’ video you’ve used in this example. This changes how a dynamic entry may favor the assaulting element rather than the defensive adversary.
Correct it was not. Both of which would not have been optional at that point. Explosive breach would take time to set…which obliterates the idea of moving quickly to save hostages..,and you cannot, nor is there a taught method of how to deploy bangers as you ride the door in and prevent banging yourself. But you are correct that with those things in place you forgo riding the door because with either explosive breach or bang the door should be open…however, center step still beats diving tot he corners and picking up the corners last to the target.
@@Forward_Concepts I supposed we could ‘what-if’ all day long with rebuttals. From a SOP perspective of tactics and a VERY efficient breacher, setup for explosive entry takes seconds. Banging one’s self is a regular occurrence and hardly distracts the task for an experienced assaulter. Let’s hear the next rebuttal… 😆👊🏼🇺🇸
Agreed. This observation of his is soo incomplete. There are so many factors he’s not encompassing. I would assume he’s speaking more from a LE viewpoint, due to the fact they wouldn’t have explosives, or throwing bangers, but in no way do I believe he can speak with a special operations experience or perspectives. Plenty of SOF teams have SOPs, schools and have tested these tactics since early GWOT…. Look at SFARTAETC standard. @kinetic concepts_group Do appreciate the content.
@@tylerreis7627 he’s got LEO CQB experience. Which isn’t nothing. It’s more reactive with more limiting factors compared to SOF CQB with deliberate offensive planning and support. It’s interesting hearing a civilian perspective of military tactics. Of course it doesn’t makes sense to them. likewise, our tactics and techniques would get cops fired or put in jail. 🤷🏻♂️
the other thing real world CQB has, is crap EVERYWHERE. You can't walk into a room without tripping on or over something. Chances of you going left or right without being blocked is about zero.
We can nit pick technique all we want and should do for training but the thing people need to not lose sight of is working in the unknown. We often get trapped by artificiality when training in terms of familiarity of space because it’s what we alway use. The unknown can throw monkey wrenches into what is happening even on the most basic level of task so be able to adapt on the fly to what you’re seeing. Sometimes it’s not the most pretty thing ever but our training should be setting us up to adapt to what we need at that moment.
I agree. Which is another video I need to make. If you move across the door …try the door either locked or barricaded you can start kicking it. If you plan on riding it in and it doesn’t go, because of what I mentioned…you transition to kicking it. Therefore we can mitigate the time waisted, lack of efficiency, and moving to another method by choosing the method that is more likely to work from the beginning. I really really like what you said. Thats the problem. It’s thinking critically through the what ifs..
Im so glad i saw this video. Ever since i lesrned the basics of cqb i have always had questions similar to those discussed in this video. Thank you so much.
@PineappleProphet I am not military or law enforcement. if there is someone with an automatic weapon and they know I'm coming due to lack of exposure management or noise control I will probably die. I would chose to not engage if I know there is a threat of an automatic weapon. I am not trained to handle that kind of situation.
@PineappleProphet theoretically if someone dumped an automatic weapon in my direction as I'm crossing the threshold or assessing it and I am somehow not hit I would run the fuck away after.
Well yes I agree. I’ve you follow here (more so on IG) will get an idea of the sort of disdain I have for the cultural aspects of the only thing that apparently matters (CQB)
Doors and stairs are tricky. From my experience as an instructor on the LEO side, the ride the door part of dynamic CQB is often over simplified CQB taught in intro courses which don't have a lot of time to teach and train the finer technical points of deliberate CQB but must teach something to the "lowest common denominator" of student. As an example, for our new hires we get a limited amount of time to teach them CQB, so we need to spend more time on dynamic rather than deliberate because its the most caveman style of CQB which will give them tools they can utilize with limited cognitive processing while in an already high stress situation. During in service training, we shift the focus to have more technical and deliberate options because they have more exposure and experience to CQB.
That’s interesting that you say riding the door is taught as an over simplified CQB technique because the ones who advocate for it are at times the highest train people on the mil side. To your point you need both skills for dynamic and deliberate and I don’t believe because you can comprehend one you are any good at the other. There is much more decision making and thinking going on with deliberate. Often times there are many things that you can do to which officers simply don’t have the information to execute. They often say “I never thought about that.”
@@Forward_Concepts I can really only talk more so about my experience as a LEO "patrol level" CQB instructor. When I train with another instructor or watch their videos, I take whatever information they are providing as "a way" to conduct CQB, not "the way" to do CQB. I don't internalize it as the right or wrong way. This is also how we teach it within my department. I think a great example of this is picking a direction on entry. Some people like to go towards the known corner (running the rabbit), others like the unknown (pushing the threat). While I think running the rabbit is the better option, and is the one I try to do, I also totally understand the LEO wanting to push the threat and be the one engaging the possible threat immediately, rather than being "bait." Deliberate CQB can be very, very technical and requires considerably more hands on training time to master. Many ways to skin a cat, and we cannot be trained or train people for every scenario. One of the things I try to really express to my students on the LEO level is they will be switching between deliberate and dynamic CQB based on mission and environment, all of which is highly fluid. Recently, in an "intro" class, we had students make entry into a room with a small school style desk chair along the wall. After the entry/exposure to this "new" challenge, I discussed how to navigate around small to medium sized non-door barricading obstacles immediately inside the door along the wall. Some options I provided were around, over, or through (aka kick). I explained some considerations on why you may or may not use one or the other and used different obstacles as examples. Most of the students understood these were only some of the options and they would have to decide what to do based on the totality of the circumstances during entry of that particular situation; it wasn't something they had needed to think about up until this point in training because we hadn't presented it as a challenge until this scenario. One student, who is/was military, went around said chair. When I presented considerations she didn't agree and seemed to feel going around was the only option for navigating obstacles. So, she asked another instructor who is part of our full-time SWAT team. He told them the same thing I did. CQB is not black and white, much like life, there are shades of grey.
In training we couldn’t use DD’s, so I set my extra flashlight on strobe and rolled it into the room. The three OpFor guys in the room watched it roll across the floor as we cleared the room and neutralized them. I was told that I “cheated”. Nope, we lived, they didn’t. lol
Truth. Once you go loud, even the best and most stealthy well thought out approaches can turn wild and unexpected. Dumb bad guys fidgeting sending rounds through every inch of wall and doors as they possibly can. So in my opinion, once you go loud you better be on a case with your team and know how to move quickly just as smoothly as doing it slowly. At that point, hell, even announcing clearly that you're prepping a flashbang and actually only tossing a rock into the room is gonna be enough to scare the hell out of the bad guy so you get the advantage of a clean and easy takedown. Of course thats IF you survive a spray and pray through the walls and doors.
I learned this method (more or less) about 10 years ago during my time in the military in switzerland. Normally you would check the door and give it a little push and then step back. The reason was also to check for IEDs that could potentiall be triggered by the moving door. After that you check the frame of the door and pie, move etc. I find this is a method that is rather safe but also it depends how much the walls protects rather that conceals you.
Other than playing Arma 3 and some other milsims, I have no real reason to be binge watching CQB videos other than im just fascinated with the mechanics of it. I have a few long guns that I shoot every now and then, but I have a feeling if I started training CQB it would quickly become an addicition. I appreciate that you are challenging some of the existing paradigms regarding CQB best practices that are out there.
I like it and I like having the least amount of suck in my methods. Having a few 2x4s or 2x6s between you and any real caliber bullet (9mm, 5.56, .308, etc.) isn't much protection but it's certainly more than a 2" thick door or a fibercore door that isn't even there for bullets, air soft pellets would whip through those. If you're forced to go into a blind room then there will always be a lethal level of suck but, as he said, try to minimize it.
Context always matters. I do not disagree with your information but also understand that some of the footage we see on youtube of team guys is meant purely for a cool factor. Also, not all teams are proficient nor do all of them have the same skill / experience levels. There is also the pride of clearing a drill or taking an entire structure as fast as possible for a "record". A lot of the techniques have adapted to threshold fighting but there are still old timers who refuse to give up "the way it's always been done".
Only really law inforcement should do that because they have a civilian to hostile ratio that is insanely high and mostly face small arms their body armour can take even if it goes bad. Military in most conflicts doesn't bother with closed doors at all and 9/10 times just blows a wall, throws grenades in and only then enters for clean-up.
Maybe just using the Israeli method of leveling the entire neighborhood is the best way to room clear instead? Either that or just pass altogether? Which is worse room clearing or trench clearing?
Ok.. commented on your short.. Now I understand the context. You are doing an Israeli clear. My only question is.. What do you do when it gives and a possible body is behind the door. Ex pin the obstruction.. Now the 2 becomes 1 etc. Thoughts?
I would ask you how many guys we have. But generally speaking guy pinning door would have to check it, thus briefly giving up the area in front of him. If there’s a #3 or #4 that goes his way he can brush his back and pick up his front as he is checking behind the door.
@@Forward_Concepts devils advocate 3 and 4 man along with 2 man clear on an obstructed door. Both typical clear, known targets, and shots fired HVT/Shooter.
@@tylerreis7627I agree all those marines who died in the door to door Fallujah were just punks who had no place in the military CQB sucks when you've actually done it in an uncontrolled unpredictable environment it's "easy" when you do it in a controlled training environent against cardboard cutouts
@@tylerreis7627 Bro you’re watching too many movies and playing too many video games! It doesn’t matter if CQB is your profession, ANYONE can get popped entering a doorway!
Cqb room clearing is the military equivalent of mcdojo martial arts. Everyone looks super cool until the person in the next room magdums through two walls.
Well I was on board with the first part. However, bad guys don’t typically resort to shooting through walls, if they do it’s in addition (or within the same sequence) of shooting through the door.
Hey im just thinking of this clip i saw with idf having rounds pierce their closest wall while moving to enter next room. They stopped, i think iwould have too. But yes the door is a real funnel of death.
Funny just saw a comparison between the American 5.56 round and the 7.62 x 39 round. Someone claimed the 7.62 round can shoot through walls better. Makes sense to go with the 7.62 round instead of the 5.56 round then.
Im guessing that the 1 arm engagement technique might be for an aggressive 2-man stealth approach. The other guy checks the hard corner. You're silenced and the enemy doesn't know that youre there. Or it could be used when you toss in a flashbang; solo CQB scenario.
The wall gives you certain protection based on it's construction. Pie'ing a door is one thing.. What is your suggestions on other variables in a doorway when you have to get in there?
Brother, if you see the threat, in a hostage rescue, or you do this .. like “ methodically” or in a deliberate way. You don’t take your sight of the threat , you engage then go inside or whatever. Bc. You explained that you see the threat, then you go back behind the threshold 🤔 Stay sharp 🤙🏻⚡️
I think dumping works when the target is not on guard or are just not expecting anything, but you'd have to figure that out, and contingencies are always nice, so probably still the last thing anyone should do.
You forgot the golden rule! When you’re all stacked up, preparing to breach.. don’t forget, forget to say please open the door! Please goes along way! Holy shit I just realized it’s coming up on 16 years since my last appointment doing this. Didn’t realize how much of a love-hate relationship it was!
Even in hostage situation, trying to use fast but high risk technique can cause the rescuer to die or out of action. A dead good guy isn't going to save any hostage.
Tyler Gray, Director of CBS‘s seal team, and former Delta Team operator, said recently in an FNG Academy video where they react to the Iranian embassy siege, that CQB situations are notoriously dangerous and that almost know special operations team in history has ever come out with zero hostages, dead, and zero team members injured or dead. According to Murphy’s Law, at least one operative and one hostage isn’t making it out of it.
I’ll have to make a video on that. Mostly simple. But since you would likely work it on the knob side it leaves you vulnerable right as the door comes open and you are getting on the gun.
You may have to define what exactly that is. I know what “it” is but people talk about it differently. However, not only do I think it’s the best way, it’s the way nearly every swat team or warrant team has operated or is operating
Thanks for answering, I am referring to the method of clearing the room from the threshold, without entering it, except in very specific situations such as hostage taking, applied by projeck gecko, israeli comand or trevor trasher 88 tactical@@Forward_Concepts
@@Forward_Concepts I’m sorry in advance for my bad English. My thoughts are, can a single person performs CBQ, and minimize all the threats to the lowest possibility?
I kinda wonder would the thickness of walls make differences? Since walls in many parts of the world are not thick enough to stop bullets, I believe getting shot through the walls once the adversary sees movement at the threshold might be a genuine worry.
All of this makes no sense if you are in the average american house made of wood/chalk walls with weak plywood doors To the rounds that environment is basically almost "transparent" and a supposed bad guy with an IQ of at least 100 would shoot "at the footsteps" he hears right through the "walls/doors", no?
I got say bro keep up the good shit i agree with alot of what you're teaching as far a practicality goes 💯 i remeber asking my drill sergeants alot of the questions or methods you've debunked there answere would always be well thats why the lowest rank guy is #1 😅 in other words they expected to take casualties and that never sat well with me i always thought there had to be a better way and your putting out there brother keep up the good work literally life saving content here . Surviving the streets for real for real .
Recently saw a video of a retired seal who operates a fairly well-known private training school. This guy (lead instructor) stood right in front of the threshold (smothering the door) while his teammate opened the door into a corner-fed room. If that wasn’t sketchy enough, they both tried to enter the room at the same time, shoulder to shoulder through the doorway 😳. I can’t even begin to guess where they got this or why they came up with these techniques. I’ve done a lot of training; I’ve never seen anything that makes less sense.
@@Forward_Concepts amen to that. I’ve often told my own students to make sure that they’re not part of a witless flock following a blind shepherd off the edge of a cliff. Question everything.
@BigJDinSC If you see two guys saying they are "retired Navy SEALs" trying to enter a doorway like you stated.... they prolly were never SEALs. Resumes do matter, but they have to be legit .
AS someone who has probably trained there, you should ask yourself, "Why would a former instructor for GRS and SEALs teach something that seems so fatally stupid?" Go to a bunch of orgs, and ask questions. "I've been taught A, B, C. Why do you 1, 2, 3?" They had better be able to answer "Because X, Y, Z." You can then think "X is a good reason, B is still more likely than 2, and Z doesn't apply to my situation at all." Add their technique to your quiver if it makes sense, and discard it if it doesn't. To answer specifically, that training specializes in active shooter response/retrieving a person from a dangerous environment. One person is opening the door as the other is gathering data and responding to threats as they are revealed, then both address the remaining unknowns simultaneously. They don't continue to stand there if breaching is indicated. At Uvalde, the police got caught pieing, and stayed outside once bullets started flying their way. They didn't have the option to toss a grenade, evacuate, and call in artillery or an air strike. It takes a lot of guts to go through a threshold when bullets are piercing the door and walls, and there's a lot of pain knowing that every shot you hear afterwards is a kid dying. You don't need to worry about that if you're already in the room. It has the risks of somebody shooting through the door as soon as the doorknob moves, but that's unlikely if the bad guy is trying to control or kill hostages. Active shooters also don't tend to have defense-in-depth, so there aren't likely to be previous engagements. No technique works best in every situation. You pays yer money and you takes yer chances.
I mean this is basic video game logic, you camp doors, you camp stairs and most fights devolve into pie slicing the threshold or who gets impatient first or who tosses the most grenades at the other.
I was taught to frag everything, and shoot through walls and ceilings (if you had a 7,62 gun), also make your own entrances with explosives. Maybe our MOUT doctrine was different
Can you please go over entering rooms with heavy retracting doors. A lot of these tactics change especially at universities and places of business. Thank you!
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Another very good and comprehensive breakdown. Thanks! On a side note, your editing skills have improved greatly. The split screen made it easier to understand your instruction. Imagine how much more work you could get done if you actually had two of you like the "2 Brad" entry team in the video!😂
@@cbeetle7011 anything is possible. Law enforcement encounters tell a story of bad guys routinely shooting at thresholds or through doors on the approach. If walls are hit they are typically hit in conjunction of the door…meaning it’s likely point shooting resulted in the walls just being hit
@@Forward_Concepts Agreed. I ask it in consideration of posture going through the door. Can certainly enter as in the video, prioritizing having the gun shouldered to fire, or gun angled up and out at 45 degrees or so to protect the head. Suppose it depends on threat expected. One thing I would say matters either way is entering with a forward body posture. Always fun watching marine training video where the first guy gets rushed and tackled into his buddies and now they can't shoot. Very cool shoot house, by the way! Any interchangability with the layout, or is it pretty well fixed?
I think people dont get it If this Is Just clearing room ok Just treats we can go słow But if this is a hostage rescue you dont have time to do it slow you have to be quick and acurate
Very informative video. What is the system that he is running (i mean with the blue bolt)? It is a drop in airsoft training bolt replacement for your firearm or it is an entirely airsoft rifle?
I honestly think the way police clear rooms is better than military or sf because the army guys have a whole team behind them they can get dragged out they have people behind them the police they maybe have a partner with them if that they have to train to be better in my opinion
Disclaimer, I'm a rank amateur. I find these tactics very interesting, but I doubt I will ever use them when there are actual rounds flying around. So, grain of salt on my opinions. But anyway... Concerning riding the door in, as demonstrated @8:50 in this video. As demonstrated, one more thing that makes it just... ugly... is the fact that you're muzzle-up to get through the door, and one-handed to manipulate and control the door. There's *_no_* chance of you beating a prepared enemy to a shot in that situation, as your gun is out of position. You have no positive effect on the rest of the room because you're either staring at a blank panel of wood or turning your head off-axis and have no shot. Anyone else who _does_ happen to have a visual on a target as you go in has their shot blocked by you entering. The absolute best that can happen in this technique is the first guy through the door draws _all_ the fire, none of which goes through the wall to take down the stack outside, and he goes down and props the door open with his soon-to-be lifeless corpse, while the rest of the squad deals with the room conventionally from the doorway. One man for one doorway is not a viable trade. If you were using a much shorter weapon (SBR, SMG, or pistol) or fully compressed, you could potentially be muzzle-on-axis as you go in, but that doesn't solve the problem of being open to multiple angles as you enter. I agree with you that fighting the room from outside the doorway is much more likely to result in an acceptable outcome. Even then, if the door stops halfway open (interior wall immediately behind the door, bookcase, etc., where the door only opens 90 degrees and hard-stops... My bedroom door when I was a kid did this because of an air-handling unit) if you're riding that door and expecting it to stop against the wall you're making entry from and it doesn't, you, and anyone following you, are pretty much boned, because everyone gets trapped in the doorway. If everyone is outside the door, at least they know what they're working with. The only point I do see riding the door in the direction of the swing as viable is flooding a room that has either been prepped with multiple distraction devices (from another point or points of access) immediately before, or a room that is completely cold in terms of surprise, like everyone in the room _asleep_ levels of cold. Otherwise, you're likely to just wind up with a doorstop.
Hey my man, I appreciate what you are doing-teaching others. But I read these comments saying guys are copying your tactics in training and situations where it’s for keeps. Be careful regurgitating tactics without any regard for CQB principles. Thats how dudes quickly realize all that training isn’t remotely close to what’s it like and people get dead. I’m not saying stop, you’re free to do what you like, but remember somewhere someday there will be consequences for what you are showing here. Be safe man.
Some of the tactics in your video, especially the lim pen, don’t align with principles of CQB. People take these tactics out of context, apply them to where they shouldn’t, and get hurt.
I never had any luck riding the door. It seems like a technique that would work only if I have breaching charges and flashbacks, which as a pleb civvy would be…. Never.
Yeah running straight in is reserved for good Intel and the element of surprise. Open combat in close environments requires something else entirely for approaching threshold. I wonder if anything can actually be learned from how players play video games like rainbow six siege. Seeing how players engage across thresholds might actually reveal something about positioning and perspective.
I’ve never seen anyone use tactics like that in real life. You throw a grenade in first then 2 go in and smoke each corner in a figure 8 pattern. I have a funny “barricaded” story though, we hit one door that was barricaded and my partner threw his grenade but the door only popped open about 8” and slammed back shut. This bounced the grenade back in the room. I dove into the hallway we had entered THAT room from and HE dumped himself into a closet space. And nothing happened. His dumb ass didn’t get the pin all the way out thankfully! It was still in there by just a hair. Turned out the door went out into an alley and the rabbit was gone.
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Haha eh? I wonder how many occurrences they had before they put up the sign.
I didn't think people still knew about that game series... RIP Lambert RIP Sam Fisher
I just saw that subtle, slightly out of focus sign in the background... brilliant 😆
Still laughing at this as I type. Well played, sir. Well played.
The point he made about the way we train is huge. I used to play OpFor a lot. A single cinderblock or sandbag would wreck entire fireteams. Guys absolutely weren't prepared for any kind of resistance at all. If the door didnt give, didnt open fully, hit resistance, guys would just bunch up and block the first guy or trip over the top of him when he fell.
Yepppp
Let’s get out in front of this. Dry wall is not cover. Nobody thinks it is, what it is, is concealment. Concealment- obscures you from the bad guy. Using Concealment is taught as a concept, idea, and tactic in every military and law enforcement agency (I imagine globally).
Because you point out that dry wall is concealment…it doesn’t mean that it won’t provide you the very purpose of concealment.
Your alternative places you in the room, which offers you neither cover or concealment…and as pointed out in the intro video….shot a lot waiting for #3 guy to enter to find the bad guy.
It’s a cost to benefit ratio, its probabilities, likelihoods and statistics…there isn’t anybody…who thinks (objectively) you are safer inside the room with gunman.
Good stuff
Walls in middle east are bulletproof
Absolutely agree. I am a big fan of using deliberate entry and I am fully aware that even cinder block and concrete walls (which are the common building type in my area) do not provide cover against all threats.
I still believe being concealed until I decide to initiate the confrontation or being able to retreat from the confrontation under concealment if necessary is a big advantage.
@@PineappleProphet True - just like wearing oxygen mask on a failed plane, every safety brief ask you to wear your own first before helping others, because its the different between losing one or losing two. A dead SWAT isn't going to save any hostage.
And even before that, there is one VERY dangerous move - making entry alone without any gadgets. For any room that has more than one opening, I don't care if you are the best CQB combatant in the world, you still have 50% chance to get shot in the back and die immediately and the bad guy is totally intact.
I eat the drywall in Home Depot.
If you have never been in combat and never been kinetic in a building you don’t know. It’s not as smooth as training goes…. Usually after the first room is cleared the enemy already knows you’re there.
SurvivingTheStreet, I must say, your videos have already taught me so much about self-defense. But when it comes to handling firearms, there's no teacher I'd rather have than you. Your ability to convey the details and nuances of effective firearm defense is truly outstanding. It's crucial that we not only understand firearm ownership but also how to use them safely and responsibly. Your emphasis on education, legal knowledge, and mental preparedness is exactly what we all need to protect ourselves and our loved ones. Thank you for not only showing us the techniques but also the necessary wisdom to apply them correctly. Keep up the great work!
Thanks!
This video showed you how to get shot through the wall.
Lmao I suggest you go see some actual legit instructors like x ray alpha before you die attempting street tactics 😂
Really unique edit that you did I have never seen someone be their own backup lol. Def need more of that.
I’m going to try. You just can’t appear in the same frame which is problematic for CQB. Because you need to be so close to your buddy to hit those angles quickly
When you cast a Level 3 clone spell.
That wasn’t an edit, he’s that good
@@foamslinger2787 Dude used the multi image technique. Made two of them but halved his power level.
Room clearing just seems so insanely dangerous to me no matter what you do it seems, especially if it's a military engagement.
Partially obstructed door for example with a small hallway closet next to it. Try to breech the door, find out it partially opens, while fiddling with it a claymore or pipe bomb by the closet goes off. Or opening the door partway pulls a string tied to the pin of a grenade, strikes a match to a room full of gas, homemade flamethrower in a ventilation system with the vent cover gone, enemy sets up in an adjacent building and sees guys enter a room then shoot an RPG through the window at the door while everyone is clustered right there, set up sandbags and a heavy support machinegun and rake the door and the adjacent walls...
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Hell, just knowing that professional squads or well-trained police officers are on either side of a door, combined with knowing just how easily a bullet penetrates through thin drywall; yeah it blocks line-of-sight, but it's hardly any protection at all. Aim near the center of the door and you're very likely to hit someone.
People need to understand military room clearing has been developed with the expectation of mass casualties. But that's war, lol.
If you read field manuals on how to setup the defence of the house in military setting, it's insane. Kill zones in approach, sandbagged windows, murder holes, grenade holes, barricaded venues... In reality most of these are skipped in favor of mobility, but one important problem still remains, the enemy knows exactly where you will come from, you don't! To equalize the chance, grenade always enters first!
But as a civilian, the most important question is, in what situation would you need to forcibly enter a building full of enemy combatants?
@@somedud1140 ww3
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Especially because when it's live there always doing something different than we trained
Videos like this are ground breaking in the community and have been needed for far too long. Too many people out there in every branch of military/special forces and in LE has passed along so many tactics without testing or critically analyzing in exquisite detail if the CQB techniques they use make sense or not. They just do what they are taught, and bad tactics are passed down without question because they were quote "paid for in blood" which creates this false environment where they think questioning those same tactics are beyond reproach. Even if those same tactics dont make any sense. Any tactic used by any unit no matter how "prestigious" must make sense and they must be able to clearly expain in exquisite detail precisely while those tactics are implemented.
Absolutely. Awesome comment.
People often think if they do what SFs do they become closer to SFs. But they often forget how SFs do things is exactly because the type unit they're in and the premises they operate on, which is quite often different from a lot of us face as civilians.
SF also does surround and call outs
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A lot of what people think SF do or are shown to do in the media and basic courses for hobbyists is what they did 40 years ago, and often not all of it.
It's fairly clear if you actually listen to them, the approach was getting very diverse and changing a lot in the 90s already, which is around the time when the drill was being introduced military-wide.
Right now, from what I gathered, the rule is basically "lead chooses the entry, second confirms, rest follows".
There's a time and place for all those tactics people but not everything SF does is wrong if you have dynamic supporting elements nothing wrong running dynamic entry and tactics
I have been following your videos for a few weeks now. You are literally everything i try to convey to my swat guys. Your ability to communicate the WHY is very good. I demonstrate to my guys and they get it, but my Lt. Has his old school cronie who refuses certain change. Love your content and wish ppl were more like you and are more about knowledge and the why, then showmanship and refusing to change or adapt.
I appreciate that. Hope this can be of some service to you.
My favorite thing is teaching guys breaching techniques just to then barricade the door on the first practical, haha. Good video, even for my guys in the military, they all think every situation involves throwing bodies through the door and as soon as the door is open it means everyone is flooding in. Gotta remind them they aren't CAG sometimes.
I think what gets lost in translation with a lot of room clearing techniques and procedures is the instructor actually setting the stage for students. You touch on this briefly at 0:50 but should be addressed prior to any tactics are discussed and/or demonstrated. The situation (facts and circumstances) will dictate your tactics. Hasty vs a deliberate entry, HR vs non-HR.
I'm really appreciating your content, keep up the great work.
Correct. I would think that instructors are having that discussion.
Good stuff. Always take a 51/49 advantage for sure. Honestly the biggest problem is only full time teams can practice this enough. As a former street cop, you won’t get the training. You also need to make sure your partners are on the same page. Get your own training and don’t depend on the department. It’s your life that’s at risk. Keep up the good work 🤙
Yep. You might as well be expected to do all the work, even if you have help.
@@Forward_Concepts Very true. I’m fortunate to be on a full time team who trains this all the time. As a patrol cop though you will be there first and probably for a few hours before we show up. When SHTF you are the tip of the spear. Much respect for our first line guys. Be ready because we won’t always be the ones doing the hard part.
As someone who’s done a substantial amount of in-service training for multiple departments, I was always surprised to discover how much training motivated LEOs had to cover/seek out on their own.
As a former street cop I absolutely agree. Luckily we usually had the same people on shift at the same time (the service groups would rotate through the different shift times) so on slow days we‘d grab our tac kits and started sweeping either the station or abandoned buildings. It really helped us during actual calls.
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I’m guilty of some of the things you pointed out, going from the cqb mindset of being an infantryman to a police officer, these videos are helping me become better.
That’s great glad I could help!
Explosive breaches and flash bangs was something not shown in BCMs ‘The Capability’ video you’ve used in this example. This changes how a dynamic entry may favor the assaulting element rather than the defensive adversary.
Correct it was not. Both of which would not have been optional at that point. Explosive breach would take time to set…which obliterates the idea of moving quickly to save hostages..,and you cannot, nor is there a taught method of how to deploy bangers as you ride the door in and prevent banging yourself.
But you are correct that with those things in place you forgo riding the door because with either explosive breach or bang the door should be open…however, center step still beats diving tot he corners and picking up the corners last to the target.
@@Forward_Concepts I supposed we could ‘what-if’ all day long with rebuttals. From a SOP perspective of tactics and a VERY efficient breacher, setup for explosive entry takes seconds. Banging one’s self is a regular occurrence and hardly distracts the task for an experienced assaulter.
Let’s hear the next rebuttal… 😆👊🏼🇺🇸
Agreed. This observation of his is soo incomplete. There are so many factors he’s not encompassing. I would assume he’s speaking more from a LE viewpoint, due to the fact they wouldn’t have explosives, or throwing bangers, but in no way do I believe he can speak with a special operations experience or perspectives. Plenty of SOF teams have SOPs, schools and have tested these tactics since early GWOT….
Look at SFARTAETC standard. @kinetic concepts_group
Do appreciate the content.
@@STacticalFitness SFARTAETC grad too? 💓
@@tylerreis7627 he’s got LEO CQB experience. Which isn’t nothing. It’s more reactive with more limiting factors compared to SOF CQB with deliberate offensive planning and support. It’s interesting hearing a civilian perspective of military tactics. Of course it doesn’t makes sense to them. likewise, our tactics and techniques would get cops fired or put in jail. 🤷🏻♂️
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the other thing real world CQB has, is crap EVERYWHERE. You can't walk into a room without tripping on or over something. Chances of you going left or right without being blocked is about zero.
We can nit pick technique all we want and should do for training but the thing people need to not lose sight of is working in the unknown. We often get trapped by artificiality when training in terms of familiarity of space because it’s what we alway use. The unknown can throw monkey wrenches into what is happening even on the most basic level of task so be able to adapt on the fly to what you’re seeing. Sometimes it’s not the most pretty thing ever but our training should be setting us up to adapt to what we need at that moment.
I agree. Which is another video I need to make. If you move across the door …try the door either locked or barricaded you can start kicking it.
If you plan on riding it in and it doesn’t go, because of what I mentioned…you transition to kicking it.
Therefore we can mitigate the time waisted, lack of efficiency, and moving to another method by choosing the method that is more likely to work from the beginning.
I really really like what you said. Thats the problem. It’s thinking critically through the what ifs..
Yup , betting against god
Im so glad i saw this video. Ever since i lesrned the basics of cqb i have always had questions similar to those discussed in this video. Thank you so much.
You got it!
What's your plan when someone starts dumping an automatic through the wall/door?
@PineappleProphet I am not military or law enforcement. if there is someone with an automatic weapon and they know I'm coming due to lack of exposure management or noise control I will probably die. I would chose to not engage if I know there is a threat of an automatic weapon. I am not trained to handle that kind of situation.
@PineappleProphet theoretically if someone dumped an automatic weapon in my direction as I'm crossing the threshold or assessing it and I am somehow not hit I would run the fuck away after.
All this has become so exhausting… CQB this CQB that 😂😂😂
Well yes I agree. I’ve you follow here (more so on IG) will get an idea of the sort of disdain I have for the cultural aspects of the only thing that apparently matters (CQB)
Doors and stairs are tricky. From my experience as an instructor on the LEO side, the ride the door part of dynamic CQB is often over simplified CQB taught in intro courses which don't have a lot of time to teach and train the finer technical points of deliberate CQB but must teach something to the "lowest common denominator" of student. As an example, for our new hires we get a limited amount of time to teach them CQB, so we need to spend more time on dynamic rather than deliberate because its the most caveman style of CQB which will give them tools they can utilize with limited cognitive processing while in an already high stress situation. During in service training, we shift the focus to have more technical and deliberate options because they have more exposure and experience to CQB.
That’s interesting that you say riding the door is taught as an over simplified CQB technique because the ones who advocate for it are at times the highest train people on the mil side. To your point you need both skills for dynamic and deliberate and I don’t believe because you can comprehend one you are any good at the other. There is much more decision making and thinking going on with deliberate. Often times there are many things that you can do to which officers simply don’t have the information to execute. They often say “I never thought about that.”
@@Forward_Concepts I can really only talk more so about my experience as a LEO "patrol level" CQB instructor. When I train with another instructor or watch their videos, I take whatever information they are providing as "a way" to conduct CQB, not "the way" to do CQB. I don't internalize it as the right or wrong way. This is also how we teach it within my department. I think a great example of this is picking a direction on entry. Some people like to go towards the known corner (running the rabbit), others like the unknown (pushing the threat). While I think running the rabbit is the better option, and is the one I try to do, I also totally understand the LEO wanting to push the threat and be the one engaging the possible threat immediately, rather than being "bait."
Deliberate CQB can be very, very technical and requires considerably more hands on training time to master. Many ways to skin a cat, and we cannot be trained or train people for every scenario. One of the things I try to really express to my students on the LEO level is they will be switching between deliberate and dynamic CQB based on mission and environment, all of which is highly fluid.
Recently, in an "intro" class, we had students make entry into a room with a small school style desk chair along the wall. After the entry/exposure to this "new" challenge, I discussed how to navigate around small to medium sized non-door barricading obstacles immediately inside the door along the wall. Some options I provided were around, over, or through (aka kick). I explained some considerations on why you may or may not use one or the other and used different obstacles as examples. Most of the students understood these were only some of the options and they would have to decide what to do based on the totality of the circumstances during entry of that particular situation; it wasn't something they had needed to think about up until this point in training because we hadn't presented it as a challenge until this scenario. One student, who is/was military, went around said chair. When I presented considerations she didn't agree and seemed to feel going around was the only option for navigating obstacles. So, she asked another instructor who is part of our full-time SWAT team. He told them the same thing I did. CQB is not black and white, much like life, there are shades of grey.
I gotta say your editing is perfect. I’m extremely impressed. Also this is very very helpful I really enjoyed and learned form this
Amen man, thanks for watching and the comment.
I WANT flash bangs!!!
Me too!
In training we couldn’t use DD’s, so I set my extra flashlight on strobe and rolled it into the room. The three OpFor guys in the room watched it roll across the floor as we cleared the room and neutralized them. I was told that I “cheated”. Nope, we lived, they didn’t. lol
Truth. Once you go loud, even the best and most stealthy well thought out approaches can turn wild and unexpected. Dumb bad guys fidgeting sending rounds through every inch of wall and doors as they possibly can. So in my opinion, once you go loud you better be on a case with your team and know how to move quickly just as smoothly as doing it slowly. At that point, hell, even announcing clearly that you're prepping a flashbang and actually only tossing a rock into the room is gonna be enough to scare the hell out of the bad guy so you get the advantage of a clean and easy takedown. Of course thats IF you survive a spray and pray through the walls and doors.
So, in SF, we learned this lesson around 2007. Step center shoot center. Old tactic.
Nice!
I learned this method (more or less) about 10 years ago during my time in the military in switzerland. Normally you would check the door and give it a little push and then step back. The reason was also to check for IEDs that could potentiall be triggered by the moving door. After that you check the frame of the door and pie, move etc. I find this is a method that is rather safe but also it depends how much the walls protects rather that conceals you.
Other than playing Arma 3 and some other milsims, I have no real reason to be binge watching CQB videos other than im just fascinated with the mechanics of it. I have a few long guns that I shoot every now and then, but I have a feeling if I started training CQB it would quickly become an addicition.
I appreciate that you are challenging some of the existing paradigms regarding CQB best practices that are out there.
I am no operator, or with any military unit whatsoever, but i feel this knowledge could be useful, especially with the way the world is going lately.
I like it and I like having the least amount of suck in my methods. Having a few 2x4s or 2x6s between you and any real caliber bullet (9mm, 5.56, .308, etc.) isn't much protection but it's certainly more than a 2" thick door or a fibercore door that isn't even there for bullets, air soft pellets would whip through those. If you're forced to go into a blind room then there will always be a lethal level of suck but, as he said, try to minimize it.
wth 9:09min the classic jurassic park car
this is probably the best CQB channel on YT
Thanks!
Context always matters. I do not disagree with your information but also understand that some of the footage we see on youtube of team guys is meant purely for a cool factor. Also, not all teams are proficient nor do all of them have the same skill / experience levels. There is also the pride of clearing a drill or taking an entire structure as fast as possible for a "record". A lot of the techniques have adapted to threshold fighting but there are still old timers who refuse to give up "the way it's always been done".
I'm just glad you started the video whit don't ride the door when clearing the room
Only really law inforcement should do that because they have a civilian to hostile ratio that is insanely high and mostly face small arms their body armour can take even if it goes bad. Military in most conflicts doesn't bother with closed doors at all and 9/10 times just blows a wall, throws grenades in and only then enters for clean-up.
Maybe just using the Israeli method of leveling the entire neighborhood is the best way to room clear instead? Either that or just pass altogether? Which is worse room clearing or trench clearing?
Room clearing. Typically you are not dealing with multiple angles inside a trench
You are thinking, asking why and when, and then ascertaining best options....excellent.
This is the way
2:57 - awesome content. in the future pls swap sides of the screen so cause and effect go from left to right.
Ok.. commented on your short.. Now I understand the context. You are doing an Israeli clear. My only question is.. What do you do when it gives and a possible body is behind the door. Ex pin the obstruction.. Now the 2 becomes 1 etc. Thoughts?
I would ask you how many guys we have. But generally speaking guy pinning door would have to check it, thus briefly giving up the area in front of him. If there’s a #3 or #4 that goes his way he can brush his back and pick up his front as he is checking behind the door.
@@Forward_Concepts devils advocate 3 and 4 man along with 2 man clear on an obstructed door. Both typical clear, known targets, and shots fired HVT/Shooter.
No matter how you cut it, CQB sucks lol! Excellent video as always bro!
Yep!
@@tylerreis7627I agree all those marines who died in the door to door Fallujah were just punks who had no place in the military
CQB sucks when you've actually done it in an uncontrolled unpredictable environment it's "easy" when you do it in a controlled training environent against cardboard cutouts
Thats really the bottom line, it does not matter how good you are, depending on the situation, it will be a bad day.
@@tylerreis7627 Bro you’re watching too many movies and playing too many video games! It doesn’t matter if CQB is your profession, ANYONE can get popped entering a doorway!
Cqb room clearing is the military equivalent of mcdojo martial arts. Everyone looks super cool until the person in the next room magdums through two walls.
Well I was on board with the first part. However, bad guys don’t typically resort to shooting through walls, if they do it’s in addition (or within the same sequence) of shooting through the door.
Hey im just thinking of this clip i saw with idf having rounds pierce their closest wall while moving to enter next room. They stopped, i think iwould have too. But yes the door is a real funnel of death.
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Lots of good things to think bout. Thanks.
Funny just saw a comparison between the American 5.56 round and the 7.62 x 39 round. Someone claimed the 7.62 round can shoot through walls better. Makes sense to go with the 7.62 round instead of the 5.56 round then.
Interesting
Use an endoscope. But remember that you heard it best first.
Im guessing that the 1 arm engagement technique might be for an aggressive 2-man stealth approach. The other guy checks the hard corner. You're silenced and the enemy doesn't know that youre there. Or it could be used when you toss in a flashbang; solo CQB scenario.
You are resuming my faith in humanity 💜
You also have the wall assement on each room. So many questions.
What questions?
@@Forward_Concepts how are you assesing the hallway and room?
The wall gives you certain protection based on it's construction. Pie'ing a door is one thing.. What is your suggestions on other variables in a doorway when you have to get in there?
Brother, if you see the threat, in a hostage rescue, or you do this .. like “ methodically” or in a deliberate way.
You don’t take your sight of the threat , you engage then go inside or whatever.
Bc. You explained that you see the threat, then you go back behind the threshold 🤔
Stay sharp 🤙🏻⚡️
Awesome content!
Thanks!
I think dumping works when the target is not on guard or are just not expecting anything, but you'd have to figure that out, and contingencies are always nice, so probably still the last thing anyone should do.
You forgot the golden rule! When you’re all stacked up, preparing to breach.. don’t forget, forget to say please open the door!
Please goes along way!
Holy shit I just realized it’s coming up on 16 years since my last appointment doing this. Didn’t realize how much of a love-hate relationship it was!
Even in hostage situation, trying to use fast but high risk technique can cause the rescuer to die or out of action. A dead good guy isn't going to save any hostage.
Tyler Gray, Director of CBS‘s seal team, and former Delta Team operator, said recently in an FNG Academy video where they react to the Iranian embassy siege, that CQB situations are notoriously dangerous and that almost know special operations team in history has ever come out with zero hostages, dead, and zero team members injured or dead. According to Murphy’s Law, at least one operative and one hostage isn’t making it out of it.
Thanks, it worked!
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One question, if the door opens inward, how would you act?
Thanks for the video.
I’ll have to make a video on that. Mostly simple. But since you would likely work it on the knob side it leaves you vulnerable right as the door comes open and you are getting on the gun.
Thank you very much for the reply
What do you think of the limited penetration method in CQB?
You may have to define what exactly that is. I know what “it” is but people talk about it differently. However, not only do I think it’s the best way, it’s the way nearly every swat team or warrant team has operated or is operating
Thanks for answering, I am referring to the method of clearing the room from the threshold, without entering it, except in very specific situations such as hostage taking, applied by projeck gecko, israeli comand or trevor trasher 88 tactical@@Forward_Concepts
I agree.
I don’t know much about CBQ or clearing space v.v.. My question is does it exist a definition of perfect 1 man CBQ?
Clarify your question please
@@Forward_Concepts I’m sorry in advance for my bad English. My thoughts are, can a single person performs CBQ, and minimize all the threats to the lowest possibility?
I kinda wonder would the thickness of walls make differences? Since walls in many parts of the world are not thick enough to stop bullets, I believe getting shot through the walls once the adversary sees movement at the threshold might be a genuine worry.
That opening is going to cause me nightmares.
Golem: "don't shoot the lights... GOLEM! GOLEM!"
All of this makes no sense if you are in the average american house made of wood/chalk walls with weak plywood doors
To the rounds that environment is basically almost "transparent" and a supposed bad guy with an IQ of at least 100 would shoot "at the footsteps" he hears right through the "walls/doors", no?
I see nothing but dead men entering that door lol
the grenade tends to work pretty well
Thank u for this informative video
You’re welcome
no matter how you slice/pie it CQB is a nightmare.
If you're an instructor, what area are you in cause I'd definitely sign up.
Southern Texas. Can send me a dm on Instagram if you need.
Courses coming up on the websiten
well said
I know its not related to the doorway mechanics, but what is going on with that Jurassic Park Ford Explorer in the background?
I got say bro keep up the good shit i agree with alot of what you're teaching as far a practicality goes 💯 i remeber asking my drill sergeants alot of the questions or methods you've debunked there answere would always be well thats why the lowest rank guy is #1 😅 in other words they expected to take casualties and that never sat well with me i always thought there had to be a better way and your putting out there brother keep up the good work literally life saving content here . Surviving the streets for real for real .
Haha no surprise. Been there. Thanks for the interaction!
I'm in the process of writing a lesson plan, your videos have helped supplement my ideas, thanks bro
No doubt. If you have any questions reach out on IG.
Only a shield makes sense there or am I missing something?
Isnt #1 spose to breach the door , roll out of thr way and become #4?
Recently saw a video of a retired seal who operates a fairly well-known private training school. This guy (lead instructor) stood right in front of the threshold (smothering the door) while his teammate opened the door into a corner-fed room. If that wasn’t sketchy enough, they both tried to enter the room at the same time, shoulder to shoulder through the doorway 😳.
I can’t even begin to guess where they got this or why they came up with these techniques. I’ve done a lot of training; I’ve never seen anything that makes less sense.
That’s what happens when resumes are more important than what makes sense. You get dudes following other dudes off cliffs.
@@Forward_Concepts amen to that. I’ve often told my own students to make sure that they’re not part of a witless flock following a blind shepherd off the edge of a cliff. Question everything.
@BigJDinSC If you see two guys saying they are "retired Navy SEALs" trying to enter a doorway like you stated.... they prolly were never SEALs. Resumes do matter, but they have to be legit .
AS someone who has probably trained there, you should ask yourself, "Why would a former instructor for GRS and SEALs teach something that seems so fatally stupid?" Go to a bunch of orgs, and ask questions. "I've been taught A, B, C. Why do you 1, 2, 3?" They had better be able to answer "Because X, Y, Z." You can then think "X is a good reason, B is still more likely than 2, and Z doesn't apply to my situation at all." Add their technique to your quiver if it makes sense, and discard it if it doesn't. To answer specifically, that training specializes in active shooter response/retrieving a person from a dangerous environment. One person is opening the door as the other is gathering data and responding to threats as they are revealed, then both address the remaining unknowns simultaneously. They don't continue to stand there if breaching is indicated. At Uvalde, the police got caught pieing, and stayed outside once bullets started flying their way. They didn't have the option to toss a grenade, evacuate, and call in artillery or an air strike. It takes a lot of guts to go through a threshold when bullets are piercing the door and walls, and there's a lot of pain knowing that every shot you hear afterwards is a kid dying. You don't need to worry about that if you're already in the room. It has the risks of somebody shooting through the door as soon as the doorknob moves, but that's unlikely if the bad guy is trying to control or kill hostages. Active shooters also don't tend to have defense-in-depth, so there aren't likely to be previous engagements. No technique works best in every situation. You pays yer money and you takes yer chances.
Speed and violence of action will help a lot
I guess it worked out in the intro video
And shooting out the light!
There's really no reason for someone to stack up on the doorknob side of the door, once the door opens you're just staring at the door hinges now.
meanwhile a12 and grade 4 armor go beert, no need to clear the room when i can just delete the room XD
Thumbnail had me thinking this was a Key and Peele sketch..
Vibe
I mean this is basic video game logic, you camp doors, you camp stairs and most fights devolve into pie slicing the threshold or who gets impatient first or who tosses the most grenades at the other.
Yepp
Golden rule: call for fire, if not, frag everything, if it doesn't works: frag again.
I was taught to frag everything, and shoot through walls and ceilings (if you had a 7,62 gun), also make your own entrances with explosives.
Maybe our MOUT doctrine was different
@@DEATH-THE-GOAT lesson learnt from fighting in Ukraine.
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Can you please go over entering rooms with heavy retracting doors. A lot of these tactics change especially at universities and places of business. Thank you!
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If not let me know. If the link doesn’t allow you click it’s my video before this one…thumbnail says “commercial clearings”
Another very good and comprehensive breakdown. Thanks!
On a side note, your editing skills have improved greatly. The split screen made it easier to understand your instruction. Imagine how much more work you could get done if you actually had two of you like the "2 Brad" entry team in the video!😂
Thanks! I’ve contemplated how I could do it, and I don’t think it’s possible for CQB because you have to be right on top one another…
This is great stuff, thank you for sharing!
Thanks!
most buidlings have like wood and plaster walls, why wouldnt the badguy shoot through the walls on either side of the door?
Why would you shoot at a place instead of where people enter and exit
@@Forward_Concepts I guess if you know they're out their and they're slowly clearing angles?
@@cbeetle7011 anything is possible. Law enforcement encounters tell a story of bad guys routinely shooting at thresholds or through doors on the approach. If walls are hit they are typically hit in conjunction of the door…meaning it’s likely point shooting resulted in the walls just being hit
What’s the training bolt/kit? Is it just drop in? I’ve been looking for good solutions. Keep up the content! Good shit!
I can’t quite recall…reach out to me on IG I’ll look
@@Forward_Concepts done just now. Thanks!!
How do you handle someone waiting at the threshold to rush you as soon as you enter? Such as in the direction where the door opens?
Well. If that aren’t armed and want to wrestle it’s the least of the concern. If they are unarmed…maybe can strike, move…etcz
@@Forward_Concepts Agreed. I ask it in consideration of posture going through the door. Can certainly enter as in the video, prioritizing having the gun shouldered to fire, or gun angled up and out at 45 degrees or so to protect the head. Suppose it depends on threat expected. One thing I would say matters either way is entering with a forward body posture. Always fun watching marine training video where the first guy gets rushed and tackled into his buddies and now they can't shoot.
Very cool shoot house, by the way! Any interchangability with the layout, or is it pretty well fixed?
I think people dont get it
If this Is Just clearing room ok Just treats we can go słow
But if this is a hostage rescue you dont have time to do it slow you have to be quick and acurate
Very informative video. What is the system that he is running (i mean with the blue bolt)? It is a drop in airsoft training bolt replacement for your firearm or it is an entirely airsoft rifle?
Also curious about this product...
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Good question ! Keep interacting, we will get there!
This video was wild. God was watching over those officers that day. Are you planning on doing a full badge cam breakdown?
Of what video…
@@Forward_Concepts I was trying to comment this on the short that has this video linked lol my bad, I’ll comment over there!
@@Forward_Concepts on a relevant note, your CQB videos have been 🔥
Bro has a Jurassic Park Jeep in the back!!!!!
Always remember. There are rulz to smokin' foolz!
You might be the goat, dawg. This is numero uno
Thanks boss. Thanks for watching and the comment.
8:46 Jurassic Park van 🔍 what is it these guys *really* do 🤔
I honestly think the way police clear rooms is better than military or sf because the army guys have a whole team behind them they can get dragged out they have people behind them the police they maybe have a partner with them if that they have to train to be better in my opinion
Disclaimer, I'm a rank amateur. I find these tactics very interesting, but I doubt I will ever use them when there are actual rounds flying around. So, grain of salt on my opinions. But anyway...
Concerning riding the door in, as demonstrated @8:50 in this video. As demonstrated, one more thing that makes it just... ugly... is the fact that you're muzzle-up to get through the door, and one-handed to manipulate and control the door. There's *_no_* chance of you beating a prepared enemy to a shot in that situation, as your gun is out of position. You have no positive effect on the rest of the room because you're either staring at a blank panel of wood or turning your head off-axis and have no shot. Anyone else who _does_ happen to have a visual on a target as you go in has their shot blocked by you entering. The absolute best that can happen in this technique is the first guy through the door draws _all_ the fire, none of which goes through the wall to take down the stack outside, and he goes down and props the door open with his soon-to-be lifeless corpse, while the rest of the squad deals with the room conventionally from the doorway. One man for one doorway is not a viable trade.
If you were using a much shorter weapon (SBR, SMG, or pistol) or fully compressed, you could potentially be muzzle-on-axis as you go in, but that doesn't solve the problem of being open to multiple angles as you enter. I agree with you that fighting the room from outside the doorway is much more likely to result in an acceptable outcome.
Even then, if the door stops halfway open (interior wall immediately behind the door, bookcase, etc., where the door only opens 90 degrees and hard-stops... My bedroom door when I was a kid did this because of an air-handling unit) if you're riding that door and expecting it to stop against the wall you're making entry from and it doesn't, you, and anyone following you, are pretty much boned, because everyone gets trapped in the doorway. If everyone is outside the door, at least they know what they're working with.
The only point I do see riding the door in the direction of the swing as viable is flooding a room that has either been prepped with multiple distraction devices (from another point or points of access) immediately before, or a room that is completely cold in terms of surprise, like everyone in the room _asleep_ levels of cold. Otherwise, you're likely to just wind up with a doorstop.
Badguy can shoot through the door or wall once hear something. You have to have ballistic shield to stand chance.
Not bad idea
Hey my man, I appreciate what you are doing-teaching others. But I read these comments saying guys are copying your tactics in training and situations where it’s for keeps. Be careful regurgitating tactics without any regard for CQB principles. Thats how dudes quickly realize all that training isn’t remotely close to what’s it like and people get dead. I’m not saying stop, you’re free to do what you like, but remember somewhere someday there will be consequences for what you are showing here. Be safe man.
Elaborate ? From a suspects perspective? Everything is online, including military SOP’s
Some of the tactics in your video, especially the lim pen, don’t align with principles of CQB. People take these tactics out of context, apply them to where they shouldn’t, and get hurt.
@@thornburg1911just shut the fuck up and enjoy the video you're reaching
I never had any luck riding the door. It seems like a technique that would work only if I have breaching charges and flashbacks, which as a pleb civvy would be…. Never.
Yeah running straight in is reserved for good Intel and the element of surprise. Open combat in close environments requires something else entirely for approaching threshold.
I wonder if anything can actually be learned from how players play video games like rainbow six siege. Seeing how players engage across thresholds might actually reveal something about positioning and perspective.
Regarding the flash-bang thing for civs, you’d be surprised how good some of those “airsoft” ones are. Certainly much better than harsh language.
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@@tylerreis7627 nothing says “I live in my mom’s basement” as well as your comment. Bravo.
I’ve never seen anyone use tactics like that in real life. You throw a grenade in first then 2 go in and smoke each corner in a figure 8 pattern.
I have a funny “barricaded” story though, we hit one door that was barricaded and my partner threw his grenade but the door only popped open about 8” and slammed back shut. This bounced the grenade back in the room. I dove into the hallway we had entered THAT room from and HE dumped himself into a closet space. And nothing happened. His dumb ass didn’t get the pin all the way out thankfully! It was still in there by just a hair.
Turned out the door went out into an alley and the rabbit was gone.