Cruisers vs Battleships
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 20 ส.ค. 2024
- Cruisers used to be the meta strategy of pro players. However the HP for battleships has been buffed whereas the HP for cruisers has been nerfed. What unit will crown the king of the ocean?
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Reaction from the game developer Freezy: "Pausing the combat during the night and then you doing the first hit in the morning might have given you a slight advantage. In ranged combat one army always hits before the other army, reducing their HP and thus reducing their counter attack damage. Another influencing point could have been if both parties got the same amount of combat hits in before the combat was paused, we didn't see the part who got the last hit before the pause. So if you for example did the last hit before combat was paused and then you doing the first hit when combat was resumed, could have granted you 2 combat rounds in a row. Since the combat turned out pretty close at the end this could have been a deciding factor. Not pausing the combat in between may have produced an even more accurate result, but its understandable that you wanted to watch the whole fight live. Finally: Combat randomness is 20% at max (mentioning it cos in the vid 25% was said). Still a very nice educational test, good job!"
I went cruisers in a game and got wrecked by a pan Asian player using battleships. He never went offline and I couldn’t get in range while he widowed me down.
Yes pan Asian battleships are an exception. They are as fast as cruisers.
same happened to me. I was able to catch one fleet with force march but rest of my naval forces got annihilated. K/D took a big hit too but whatever I had fun
Please make a review of countries in Europe- Clash of Nations, if a video is not possible then please write down a brief review of the countries.
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Clash of nations is pretty balanced. There are minor differences but the biggest variable is the player. You need to be active and adapt your build to the resources at your disposal.
Glad i was able to help you out with this! Amazing video!!
I've forgotten your shout-out 🤔
@@BMfoxCallofWar Oh boy. That's alright, just glad to help a fellow TH-cam out
In the 3rd battle at Naples he should have split all battle ships and meatshield your cruisers with his in melee to keep the battleships in the back to fire from safe distance. would have made a difference.
Then your battleships would be prone te enemy submarines. That's not a viable option.
@@BMfoxCallofWar why would they? they still have 5 destroyers in the stack like now. instead of 2 5/5/5 stacks you would have 2 10/5 stacks. 1 meatshield cruiser in melee and 1 battleship arty type stack, just to protect the HP of the battleships for longer.
the battleship stack would be weak to air then for the duration of the fight. but air is only a problem near coasts of enemy terretory, so you can take that out.
would just have been nice to test this as 3rd option as now battle 2 and 3 are just the same. =D
@@Temujinkun that would be a good alternative if you are far away from the coast an out of range for naval bombers. However navy is used to bombard coastal provinces and to give landing units covering fire. There's little use for a navy in the middle of the ocean.
@@BMfoxCallofWar yeah, i know. but in this case you are attacking italy and italy is defending it's own coast which should be free from enemy naval bombers. Again, this approach wouldn't change much for the general outcome of your test, but it would have differented battles 2 and 3 a bit and maybe you would even have lost battle 3. (;
of course this use case is very specific.
I still thank you for this very informational Video. it took a lot of time to prepare and execute.
@BMfoxCallofWar that's why you put destroyers with battleships, the way I play is a little different. I will put 5 battleships 3 crusiers and 2 destroyers in a stack I'll make 3 to 4 stacks like this and seems to do me good. I use planes and artillery mainly on land. Light tanks and infantry or militia is the way I play. Naval bombers is a must. Especially on killing navy.
I'm glad I watched this... Ive played for 3 years and am just now learning about the calculator.... That makes things easier thanks
This is roughly the experience I tended to have as well in many of my games. I play a naval style World at War in most of my games, I don't know if I played since the adjustments to hp of the Battleships and cruisers though, but when I encountered cruiser stacks, I would often blockade the cruisers from ever reaching my battleships, by using my cruisers and destroyers, even submarines when I could afford to, to further skew the results in my favor. Subs mixed into a surface ship stack can drastically change the results as Cruiser and/or Battleship ranged fire vs subs is far weaker, unless it goes to melee brawl with destroyers in the mix too.
Its good to see this though, cruisers are very valuable, I like to go with a full range of naval power, which is hard to do but worth it towards the late game if able to keep the majority of the navy alive for patrolling of the entire seas.
Yes, I would say battleships is always better than cruisers
Thanks BMfox, only one thing about this video: the image is not so clear and defined
The thumbnail you mean?
im not a good player and have only played this game for a few weeks but i feel like u should have done this three battles the other way around so that in the first 2 battles without moving the battleships r the ones attacking and if u had done that the battle ships wouldnt have taken a single dmg cuz they have more range. also u only showed a naval battle and not ships vs planes ot ships vs land units.
I ran the 3 scenarios from static to shoot and scooting for the battleships. The title is cruisers so battleships so I compare navy.
Good video but why you dont play conflict of nations ww3?
Because the mods in their discord server were rude and the community managers didn't offer me any support.
@@BMfoxCallofWarCall of War is way better optimized anyway as well as way less pay to win.
Over there you need to pay to not declare war Instantly.
Kind of goofy 🤪 if you ask me. Then you can’t even spy by plane.
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@@skyanton8453 what is over there?
Also stack with battleships cant run away from subs, while cruisers can
Interesting that! Thanks 👍👍
Thanks for the video
This is simple
Clash of nations Europe-Cruisers and destroyers
World battle - battle ships you have more Time for economy battle ships is expensive
Sory for my English
надо было линкоры тоже на 3 стека делить (3-3-4; 3-4-3 и 4-3-3). а то как-то не честно получилось 3 стека против 2. а один и вообще слился
Все заряды в одном и том же месте делят урон, поэтому нет никакой разницы в распределении здоровья. Разделение 5/5/5 по-прежнему дает вам оптимальный урон, так как есть только 10 юнитов дальнего боя. Я протестировал 3 ситуации с 3 разными стеками. Стек Греции не разделился. Сицилийский стек действительно разделился, но не управлялся на микроуровне. Неаполитанский отряд действительно раскололся, и микро удалось использовать дальность действия линкора.
@@BMfoxCallofWar окей. я думал от перегрузки стека больше 10 штраф будет по урону и лучше 3 тека форматом 3+3, 3+4 и 4+3, чем 2 стека по 5+5 и 5+5 (если не учитывать наличие эсминцев)
@@truefolder5858 Да, эсминцы не наносят дальнего урона. 5 линкоров и 5 крейсеров составляют в общей сложности 10 юнитов дальнего боя, которые нанесут 100% урона. Эсминцы будут поглощать урон, чтобы крейсера и линкоры получали меньше урона.