@@ChargedSoulsEnt Run and Gun means lots of different types of videos that aren't necessarily high budget but you do a lot of like social media videos, weddings, sometimes music videos, I would say if you have the budget to rig it out then definitely the Blackmagic is better
I concur, and the nice thing is that either can be used as a B-Cam for the other once you understand how to properly match colors in the settings menus and monitor to a Rec. 709 baseline. The BMPCC 4K has surprised me with how good it is for commercial work, and the GH5's Pro Res/All-i will not be the limiting factor for most avenues of narrative distribution. Neither will become "obsolete" any time soon.
Just picked up a used GH5 so i got both The dual IBIS on it with native lens in amazing ... no need for a gimbal like my bnpcc4k....which obviously has a more cinematic picture.(skin tones)
I GO FOR THE BMPCC4K PRORES IS A JOY TO EDIT EVEN ON A OLD COMPUTER WITH NO TRANSCODING IF I NEED SMALL AND LONG BATTERY LIFE I WILL USE MY POCKET OSMO IN CINE D 4K60 THATS IT
Great comparison!! I have a g7 and g85. Indie filmmaker and i really love the quality of the blackmagic but im a run n gun guy and i would be livid if the camera dies on me or just constantly worrying about it dying. The thought of carrying all those batteries in the field is not something I'd want to do either. I think the gh5 quality is good enough. And it just seems like there's more accessories u have to buy to get the blackmagic up and running. The gh5 is ready to go out the box. Maybe ill look into the gh5s too. I think it's all in what works for you. That viewfinder not moving is minor but a problem as well. Im so used to moving that screen around , id go crazy not being able to do that. Again great review👍🎥 subbed
I love my GH5. You can match the GH5 to RED footage with little effort. Plus, I found that shooting in CineD or CineV with the GH5 provides a much cleaner grain structure. And shooting in 10-bit, I am able to pull detail out of the shadows with CineD or CineV with excellent grain and color range. That being said, from what I've seen of the BMPCC4K, I really like its color science. I think the color science of the BMPCC4K is very cinematic out of the box. The downside of the BMPCC4K, is the lack of internal stabilization. But, I still plan on getting the BMPCC4K for its color science alone. Of course, I will have to research better power options for the BMPCC4K considering how quickly it drains battery life. To me, having both the GH5 and BMPCC4K will enable me to shoot in almost any situation and achieve tremendous results. Great video,
@@ethan-scott GH5, simplified setup and longer juice. Occasionally you can pull out some image captures as well! You may pick up a BMPCC4k if you have the liking and money for it, but you will find not having to use it in most situations simply because of it rather complex set up, unless you are into professional short films, music video shoots and some serious production workflow! Let me know if you would differ my pov and which one did you end up buying?
@@trishasikder4987 Hi Trisha, thanks for the reply. While I agree with everything you said, I ended up buying the Black Magic. I’m studying creative filmmaking and I’m producing lots of short films with my peers this coming year, so I think it will best suits my needs. So far; i do agree that it’s complicated! But on the other hand I’m excited to be able to produce such a beautiful image. Which do you use?
Agreed, Image quality is better on the BMPCC4K, I just did a two day shoot with it. But I have used the GH5 a lot for other jobs and love that cameras reliability and still a great image.
I think if your serious videographer the pocket is the way to go in terms of pro res better dynamic range, raw option. All the limitations are really not relevant as even on the GH5 like myself I use an external small HD and a better battery solution. IBIS is great however a gimbal will eliminate the need for it as will a monopod. In the end image quality and the Black Magic look is awesome.
And what is the difference between prores 422 from GH5(s) recorded by atomos and internal prores 422 by blackmagic? Raw is interesting but demanding (storage).
@@pieterpauwelbeelaerts5995 one records internally and the other you need a monitor of at least $500. Since the Pocket 4K records pro res internally you can buy any monitor. Also the Pocket 4K will receive Braw which means you have the power of raw but the space and speed of a normal codec. So you can record raw on a SD card :)
@@AnimeZone247 will the ursa mini or ursa mini pro have BRAW too? Would be very usefull and open possibilities maybe even better mobile editing on iPad pro while having RAW! It sounds fantastic! :)
@@pieterpauwelbeelaerts5995 The Ursa mini pro was the first camera and only camera at this time to have it. Two months ago they just finished beta testing it. Right now they are getting it ready for the pocket 4K and then when that's finished they will look at the Ursa mini 4.6k, 4K, and other cameras.
gh5 users are but hurt...the gh5 is an excellent camera but $1300 vs $2000 pocket4k is clearly the winner its called pocket cinema because compared to cinema cameras (ursa ,ursa mini, Sony FS5, arri, redd ) this thing is pocket sized.. at $1300 i can afford to build around that price from there
@God Drink Visuals i would say u are because u would have understood the whole point.bro thats a fact i agree with u 100%...that is why i stated the gh5 is a great camera because of these things u mentioned... most serious cinematographers aren't looking for versatility or why would they bother with all that high priced stuffed..... cameras are only tools..im no know it all i may learn something from you....but far as filming ill rather get it right the 1st time instead of working in post
@God Drink Visuals it cool i ben doing a lot of greenscreen lately and that dual iso and 4:4:4 raw is crucial anything after the pocket or the ursa is basically $25-100K and they buggin lol
Jphizzle96 yeah I know. He had imax cameras. Pretty sure that’s top of the line lol. I’m rocking a cheap gx85. Took me 9 years to upgrade from a canon t2i. Trust me I don’t care about specs. No idea why you’re cussing and name calling. Clearly my very first comment was a joke...
footage looked great. this camera is so intriguing. why did you shoot in the 3:1 raw as opposed to 4:1 raw? thank you for the effort and the sharing. thumbs up.
I loved how on point you were. Many reviewers are always telling you a lot of specs (which is great too but not when you already know them). I just wanna an answer some times, A or B piriot. And you did that great.
I’ve got a Gh5s and the bmpcc4k. Both are awesome and I use both all the time as an a and b cam. Fanboys will argue one over the other but both are great an I cannot pick one over the other fwiw.
Reliability first for me. With BlackMagic skimping out on quality control and there being bugs like the bad neon light handling, false battery percentage indication and such, there is simply no way I will choose it over the GH5(S) which has proven to be a reliable workhorse.
@@JoseReneVisuals Once they iron out the bugs and once blackmagic raw comes this camera will be such a no brainer. For now, I'm sticking to GH5 and my sony's
Absolutely love this video. Seriously considering on purchasing the BM 4k.... I use my 5d mark in for stills but want to get into some video production... So for the image quality, and price point its seems very attractive! I like the fact that you showed real life usage of this camera. Almost all the reviews I've seen for this camera talks about the specs only.
I've been watching your guys videos for tips on the GH5 and I know you guys no longer use the camera (based on recent videos) but I just got VLOG and was curious what profile settings did you guys use on VLOG? Do you guys keep the Noise Reduction at and Sharpness at 0?
@@AndreLLMedia I saw that Tom Antos tried to power his BMPCC 4k using the monitor's power out, and he says it's a bad idea and he burned some monitors doing so.
I think the gh5s is the one need to compare with new Bmpcc 4K . GH5 have 6K video shooting option . I want to know Gh5s in the low light situation better than Bmpcc 4K or not .
I LIKE my GH5 but don't love it. I HATE the menus within menus within menus. I'm a photographer and cinematographer and I HATE all the navigations in the GH5. May wind up getting the BMPCC4K. For what it's worth, I LOVE my Panasonic GX85 over the GH5. Quality is so much better in video!
Nice vid guys. Black Magic Design are an incredibly frustrating company. They're like a really fast racehorse that's winning the race but then falls at the last fence. What I mean by that is, that they make ground breakingly good cameras but they leave it with problems that leaves the user incredibly frustrated. With the pocket cam, they shouldn't have tried to make a 'pocket cam' as such (because it isn't), they should have made a more professional small camera, more like a successor to the BMCC. They should have made it with it's own battery type like a Canon 1dx and they should have built in an articulated screen. The fixed screen is ridiculous. Instead of trying to make a cheap camera they should charge an extra $1000 and do it properly.
Hugh Sweeney Totally agree Hugh, it's likr an unfinished product which only achievement (thank god) is the image quality (which still suffers from some issues). It's a shame, we are even thinking to cancel the preorder for the other unit...
Wow, that's sad. I ordered mine 8 months ago and since then I got a Canon Eos-R for my photography as well as already having the GH5. So I'm beginning to wonder if I need it. It's no good having that amazing colour science and image when other parts of the camera let it down. BM should remember that their customers are cinematographers and not consumer types which seems to be the demographic the camera is aimed at. Instead of it being a €1200 camera, it would be better if it was a €2500 camera but with articulated screen and bigger battery perhaps a few other features. Also, the shape is ridiculous. I'm beginning to think Kinefinity is a more innovative company.@@JoseReneVisuals
My thoughts exactly, my last video shows my frustrations with it. Still debating if we are going to keep it or not. Rigged up and ready to shoot we'd almost rather just grab the UMP
I agree with you on the fact that they shouldn't have tried to make this a 'pocket camera, but should have just made a successor to the bmcc and bmpc, however if it is to be a true cinema camera, then an articulating screen loses importance, as you'd be using an external monitor anyway
I got a question. It's really hard to choose between these to camera's. I really prefer battery life, over image quility.. My question is, i want to have the camera a good stabilisation. Without a rig. Wich one is better then?
Here’s the thing... Unless you’re a person that needs absolute control over every nook and cranny of your footage, or if you’re pairing it with an ARRI or Red, then the BMPC4K is for you. But if you want run and gun filming, or know the basics of shooting, then the GH5 is for you. I use the 6K Open Gate option (making it 5K) then crop. The image quality is stunning. It looks the same as RAW to me. Because the resolution is so high. Besides, no one is really pixel peeping when your shooting 4K and up.
Hi dear! Many thanks for your response! I use RedGiant Complete Suites for heavy grading, in documentary, I agree with you I love VLOG too, I enjoyed used it for 2 years, But now HLG+ better in shadow noise, dynamic range for me!
I just need some arguments for my GH5 I bought a few weeks ago. Head to head with the BM4K I decide to go with the GH5 with just a few little things. But if I have to look "which camera is it" in your Video tells me, that both are worth the money they cost. And V-Log will do the rest...
Studio Bonn Hi there! Yes, the gh5 is an insane piece of gear. For the price, there are not many cameras out there as reliable and complete in options as the gh5. Thanks for watching.
BlackMagic kind of missed the mark on this camera I believe. Or needs to make another version of this soon. It checked the boxes on so many of the things film makers want . It missed the mark on so many things film makers need. I don’t think they are enough of a camera company (yet) to get this camera up too speed within a couple of years and selling a revised version. Add a tilting screen , a better battery and a few other tweaks . Push the price up a bit
BMPCC4K looks are much much better, but i just can't give up on GH5 features, i wouldn't think to change if i had loads of money so i can properly rig BMPCC4K
I got a big question so the GH5S has a lot more Bitrate does this makes anything better than the BMPCC4K ? so The raw from the Blackmagic is sure awesome but what does the Higher Bitrate compared to the BMPCC4K ?
Nothing. Its better to shot with IPB 150Mbit, than 400Mbit. All-i is visually same, but it means less compression so you dont need so much compute power in workstation.
2:00 Love the look of this shot! Did you use the BMPCC 4K for that specific shot, if so what lens? And great colors in this video! Did you manually grade each shot or did you use a lut?
Color grading super important until you realise people watch all this on non-color accurate screens and lots of people don't have perfect color vision in the first place. still important as a profesional though.
@@JoseReneVisuals That's absolutely brilliant news because I want to use the Black Magic lut pack on the Panasonic GH5 and GH5s that I will eventually be purchasing.
loganhuntfilmm We don't, especially for commercials. For the documentary world is a must nowadays, but the gh5, has not the best AF either, it's unreliable many times...
You’d think in 2018 Panasonic or any other major camera maker could just put raw video into a prosumer camera and not just some niche camera like the BMCC.
thanks guys very helpful! I think i'll be going for the gh5 :) im already a gh4 owner and wasn't sure about buying a camera that is so similar. but I love the IBIS and 40k/60p :D
Very interesting video. Thank you I am not an expert because I just like to shoot. I'd like to ask some questions please, hoping someone experienced will answer me. 1) I only make documentaries in remote areas, around the world. 2) I always travel alone. 3) I like to shoot in 4K 50p 10bit. 4) I would like to get the same or slightly better video quality than the GH5. 5) I would like a camera that is easy to use. Which camera do you think is the best for me? I could also accept a small camcorder/videocamera, but only if it has excellent image quality. I THANK YOU for your suggestions.
awesome video guys! It’s 3 yo vlog but if you see this comment could you please tell me what lens did you use filming those scenes in bar? It’s so smooth and bright! Thanks in advance:)
@@JoseReneVisuals Thanks guys. I noticed you guys are based in London hopefully I can visit you guys. And learn something's. You guys on Facebook and Instagram. Plan is to buy the Panasonic GH5 and Canon 80D first and the Nikon D750, Fuji XT3, Panasonic GH5s and Sony A7III later. Four year plan. I currently own the Nikon D5500 which in my opinion is a great run and gun camera. Found a 70 pound metabones f mount booster to attach to the Panasonic GH5 via Amazon. That should start me off. Thanks. I shall contact you via Facebook and Instagram ok.
Raw is Raw. If the GH5 had Raw and better low light it would be hands down. Oh and if you use an additional QR plate or a heavier lens you can mount the Pocket 4k on the Ronin. I love my GH5 but I have to switch to the GH5s at almost every event due to the low light performance. I even light scenes when I can. The best feature and reason I can't part with the GH5/GH5s is its Anamorphic options. What will the GH6 look like?
J Taylor Thanks for your comment, but this is our style for now and don't think it will change soon. There are pther awesome channels on the internet with exactly what you ask for. We're sure you'll love them!
Who were the 28 assholes disliked such an insightful detailed comparison video? Time for TH-cam to have a disagree button besides dislike button, people often mix them but they are different.
@@henrystephens8328 yeah unfortunately you need to be in Vlog. He does send a Cine-D to Vlog conversion, not sure how well that turns out I haven't tried it yet. There are TON of great Cine-D LUTs out there though
The ability to shoot pro res and raw is underrated. The ability to grade and edit with no restrictions in post opens up so many doors. Too often have an editor given compressed footage to grade clogging up the workflow.
Thanks that's a great review and as always you have amazing footage. Here at Racer Creative we chose the GH5s based on image quality and of course ease of use.
It can fit on the Ronin-M. Just need to install a quick release or cheese plate on top of the Ronin-M plate horizontally, so you can adjust the camera left and right as well. This will help clear it from the Ronin-M's cage. Here's my set-up with wireless follow focus as an example: th-cam.com/video/HMU8CaoF0Z0/w-d-xo.html
First of all you should say what type of videos are you shooting. Event shooting is not film shooting. And you have different requirements for camera. Second , rig for camera with cage speedboster, v-mount battery , rods and all you will need will cost you about 1500-1700$. And it’s not a Usra mini price at all! If you will add all of this to gh5 it may be will be an it’s mini price, but not with a pocket4k. It’s not event camera, that’s for sure. Try to compare gh5 and Alexa mini and you will end with same conclusion -gh5 is better. BUT, does it ??)
Алексей Кузьменко That's what we say on the video. I don't know if first or second or third of all, but we say it (maybe first of all you should watch the video). Second, if you want to have reliable components the prices goes up, approximately to the price of an Ursa. And the point of this video is that 90% of today's filmmakers shoot commercials and events, that both cameras are on the same price range and that quickness of operation is sometimes more important than quality image.
The music track on top of your commentary is not a good idea, too loud, at times very hard to hear what you're saying. The skin tones on the woman did not look good or realistic on either camera imo. Good points about the differences of the two cameras, thumbs up for effort.
Jose & Rene Visuals Yes! I am using the sigma 18-35 art lens and the metabones ultra speedbooster...maybe it’s because the lens is so heavy that I don’t need to push the camera past the cage part of the ronin? 🤨 not sure! But it works
Jose & Rene Visuals th-cam.com/video/inF9GJ6F8a0/w-d-xo.html this guy just released a video on the bmpcc4k + ronin m. It will help you learn how to mount it.
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Tbh easy choice but it depends on what it's used for; GH5 = Run and Gun Videographer's, BMPCC4K = Short Film Creators
Nathan Mountain what’s run and gun? Which one is better good for music video?
@@ChargedSoulsEnt Run and Gun means lots of different types of videos that aren't necessarily high budget but you do a lot of like social media videos, weddings, sometimes music videos, I would say if you have the budget to rig it out then definitely the Blackmagic is better
I concur, and the nice thing is that either can be used as a B-Cam for the other once you understand how to properly match colors in the settings menus and monitor to a Rec. 709 baseline. The BMPCC 4K has surprised me with how good it is for commercial work, and the GH5's Pro Res/All-i will not be the limiting factor for most avenues of narrative distribution. Neither will become "obsolete" any time soon.
Fr33man I would say the GH5 is better for music video bc it has in body stabilization
@@hasanahmad3420 depends on if you have a crew and extra stabilisation gear or not, if you're on your own then yes i agree GH5 all the way
Just picked up a used GH5 so i got both
The dual IBIS on it with native lens in amazing ... no need for a gimbal like my bnpcc4k....which obviously has a more cinematic picture.(skin tones)
Very nice!
Haha blackmagic ROCKET cinema camera. Thanks for this guys I think I’ll go with the bmpcc4k. With a cheap rig this thing is such a steal.
daniel maks Thanks Daniel!
Cheap rig?
I GO FOR THE BMPCC4K PRORES IS A JOY TO EDIT EVEN ON A OLD COMPUTER WITH NO TRANSCODING IF I NEED SMALL AND LONG BATTERY LIFE I WILL USE MY POCKET OSMO IN CINE D 4K60 THATS IT
Great comparison!! I have a g7 and g85. Indie filmmaker and i really love the quality of the blackmagic but im a run n gun guy and i would be livid if the camera dies on me or just constantly worrying about it dying. The thought of carrying all those batteries in the field is not something I'd want to do either. I think the gh5 quality is good enough. And it just seems like there's more accessories u have to buy to get the blackmagic up and running. The gh5 is ready to go out the box. Maybe ill look into the gh5s too. I think it's all in what works for you. That viewfinder not moving is minor but a problem as well. Im so used to moving that screen around , id go crazy not being able to do that. Again great review👍🎥 subbed
David Hudley thanks for watching and for your thoughts!
@@JoseReneVisuals yw
I love my GH5. You can match the GH5 to RED footage with little effort. Plus, I found that shooting in CineD or CineV with the GH5 provides a much cleaner grain structure. And shooting in 10-bit, I am able to pull detail out of the shadows with CineD or CineV with excellent grain and color range. That being said, from what I've seen of the BMPCC4K, I really like its color science. I think the color science of the BMPCC4K is very cinematic out of the box. The downside of the BMPCC4K, is the lack of internal stabilization. But, I still plan on getting the BMPCC4K for its color science alone. Of course, I will have to research better power options for the BMPCC4K considering how quickly it drains battery life. To me, having both the GH5 and BMPCC4K will enable me to shoot in almost any situation and achieve tremendous results. Great video,
VFX Todd cheers!🙌🏻
For someone who can only get one, which would you recommend?
@@ethan-scott GH5, simplified setup and longer juice. Occasionally you can pull out some image captures as well! You may pick up a BMPCC4k if you have the liking and money for it, but you will find not having to use it in most situations simply because of it rather complex set up, unless you are into professional short films, music video shoots and some serious production workflow!
Let me know if you would differ my pov and which one did you end up buying?
@@trishasikder4987 Hi Trisha, thanks for the reply. While I agree with everything you said, I ended up buying the Black Magic. I’m studying creative filmmaking and I’m producing lots of short films with my peers this coming year, so I think it will best suits my needs. So far; i do agree that it’s complicated! But on the other hand I’m excited to be able to produce such a beautiful image. Which do you use?
Agreed, Image quality is better on the BMPCC4K, I just did a two day shoot with it. But I have used the GH5 a lot for other jobs and love that cameras reliability and still a great image.
Get yourself a cage ($100) external SSD to shoot RAW ($100) cheap CCTV power bank ($30) and all those little problems with the BMPCC4K are fixed
I think if your serious videographer the pocket is the way to go in terms of pro res better dynamic range, raw option. All the limitations are really not relevant as even on the GH5 like myself I use an external small HD and a better battery solution. IBIS is great however a gimbal will eliminate the need for it as will a monopod. In the end image quality and the Black Magic look is awesome.
And what is the difference between prores 422 from GH5(s) recorded by atomos and internal prores 422 by blackmagic? Raw is interesting but demanding (storage).
@@pieterpauwelbeelaerts5995 one records internally and the other you need a monitor of at least $500. Since the Pocket 4K records pro res internally you can buy any monitor. Also the Pocket 4K will receive Braw which means you have the power of raw but the space and speed of a normal codec. So you can record raw on a SD card :)
@@AnimeZone247 will the ursa mini or ursa mini pro have BRAW too? Would be very usefull and open possibilities maybe even better mobile editing on iPad pro while having RAW! It sounds fantastic! :)
@@pieterpauwelbeelaerts5995 The Ursa mini pro was the first camera and only camera at this time to have it. Two months ago they just finished beta testing it. Right now they are getting it ready for the pocket 4K and then when that's finished they will look at the Ursa mini 4.6k, 4K, and other cameras.
gh5 users are but hurt...the gh5 is an excellent camera but $1300 vs $2000 pocket4k is clearly the winner its called pocket cinema because compared to cinema cameras (ursa ,ursa mini, Sony FS5, arri, redd ) this thing is pocket sized.. at $1300 i can afford to build around that price from there
@God Drink Visuals i would say u are because u would have understood the whole point.bro thats a fact i agree with u 100%...that is why i stated the gh5 is a great camera because of these things u mentioned... most serious cinematographers aren't looking for versatility or why would they bother with all that high priced stuffed..... cameras are only tools..im no know it all i may learn something from you....but far as filming ill rather get it right the 1st time instead of working in post
@God Drink Visuals it cool i ben doing a lot of greenscreen lately and that dual iso and 4:4:4 raw is crucial anything after the pocket or the ursa is basically $25-100K and they buggin lol
I think the best camera is the one you know how to use and the one you very comfortable with
That’s usually what poor people say
@@PhaseSkater bruh
@@Jphizzle96 dang i knew christopher nolan was a bad director then since hes rich. makes sense...
Jphizzle96 yeah I know. He had imax cameras. Pretty sure that’s top of the line lol. I’m rocking a cheap gx85. Took me 9 years to upgrade from a canon t2i. Trust me I don’t care about specs. No idea why you’re cussing and name calling. Clearly my very first comment was a joke...
@@PhaseSkater Sorry bro I'm having a bad day, I see now that you were joking, my b gonna delete my other comments
Really interesting video ! I’ve the feeling that the best solution is to buy the two cameras :)
Lol that's if you rich lol
Kaka Pictures unfortunately, I’m not 😂🤣😂
@@MrZakousky lol lies have never seen a non African poor
@@kakapictures4805 then you're not looking far enough
That’s exactly what I did. Wedding GH5, commercial and films blackmagic.
Best ever video comparison between GH5 & BMPCC, clear and direct, +1 👍
Arter Debu Thanks mate!!
footage looked great. this camera is so intriguing. why did you shoot in the 3:1 raw as opposed to 4:1 raw? thank you for the effort and the sharing. thumbs up.
I loved how on point you were. Many reviewers are always telling you a lot of specs (which is great too but not when you already know them). I just wanna an answer some times, A or B piriot. And you did that great.
César Wolf thank you!!!
Emotion should always come first. Loved this video.
I’ve got a Gh5s and the bmpcc4k. Both are awesome and I use both all the time as an a and b cam. Fanboys will argue one over the other but both are great an I cannot pick one over the other fwiw.
Foxcatcher what profiles do you shoot in on both to make them easier to grade and blend together?
For project run&gun with gh5 and bmpcc 4k, what colors settings or lut's should I use to match these two cameras for the closest result as possible?
Thanks very helpful video. Wanted to upgrade to GH5 from GH4. and running gun type video maker , travel videos, now clear for GH5 .Yeah Subscribed
Reliability first for me. With BlackMagic skimping out on quality control and there being bugs like the bad neon light handling, false battery percentage indication and such, there is simply no way I will choose it over the GH5(S) which has proven to be a reliable workhorse.
Philafxs Totally agreed for now mate; it's a great image but risky for serious jobs till they solve all the issues.
@@JoseReneVisuals Once they iron out the bugs and once blackmagic raw comes this camera will be such a no brainer. For now, I'm sticking to GH5 and my sony's
Absolutely love this video. Seriously considering on purchasing the BM 4k.... I use my 5d mark in for stills but want to get into some video production... So for the image quality, and price point its seems very attractive! I like the fact that you showed real life usage of this camera. Almost all the reviews I've seen for this camera talks about the specs only.
J. R. Thanks for watching and taking your time to comment🙌🏻🙌🏻
I've been watching your guys videos for tips on the GH5 and I know you guys no longer use the camera (based on recent videos) but I just got VLOG and was curious what profile settings did you guys use on VLOG? Do you guys keep the Noise Reduction at and Sharpness at 0?
I’ve shot events & weddings on my pocket 4K & it has been great. Battery is the only limitation but agreed there are far better cameras for events
Hi Tyler, I would like to see some of the wedding films you shot with the BMPCC4K.
I'm eyeing this camera for quite a while now.
have you tried it with something like a smallHD focus? as you can do the power out does that get around the shitty battery life?
@@AndreLLMedia I saw that Tom Antos tried to power his BMPCC 4k using the monitor's power out, and he says it's a bad idea and he burned some monitors doing so.
Which all lenses do you use with the bmpcc 4k?
I think the gh5s is the one need to compare with new Bmpcc 4K . GH5 have 6K video shooting option . I want to know Gh5s in the low light situation better than Bmpcc 4K or not .
I LIKE my GH5 but don't love it. I HATE the menus within menus within menus. I'm a photographer and cinematographer and I HATE all the navigations in the GH5. May wind up getting the BMPCC4K. For what it's worth, I LOVE my Panasonic GX85 over the GH5. Quality is so much better in video!
Will I be able to use nikon g-ed and does the camera use the auto focus of the nikon lens.
Powerful Explanation 🎉
Hi - with the BMPCC which profile would you shoot if you were a beginner to serious color grading.
Muy todo pero se les olvido decir que lentes usaron
Nice vid guys. Black Magic Design are an incredibly frustrating company. They're like a really fast racehorse that's winning the race but then falls at the last fence. What I mean by that is, that they make ground breakingly good cameras but they leave it with problems that leaves the user incredibly frustrated. With the pocket cam, they shouldn't have tried to make a 'pocket cam' as such (because it isn't), they should have made a more professional small camera, more like a successor to the BMCC. They should have made it with it's own battery type like a Canon 1dx and they should have built in an articulated screen. The fixed screen is ridiculous. Instead of trying to make a cheap camera they should charge an extra $1000 and do it properly.
Hugh Sweeney Totally agree Hugh, it's likr an unfinished product which only achievement (thank god) is the image quality (which still suffers from some issues). It's a shame, we are even thinking to cancel the preorder for the other unit...
Wow, that's sad. I ordered mine 8 months ago and since then I got a Canon Eos-R for my photography as well as already having the GH5. So I'm beginning to wonder if I need it. It's no good having that amazing colour science and image when other parts of the camera let it down. BM should remember that their customers are cinematographers and not consumer types which seems to be the demographic the camera is aimed at. Instead of it being a €1200 camera, it would be better if it was a €2500 camera but with articulated screen and bigger battery perhaps a few other features. Also, the shape is ridiculous. I'm beginning to think Kinefinity is a more innovative company.@@JoseReneVisuals
My thoughts exactly, my last video shows my frustrations with it. Still debating if we are going to keep it or not. Rigged up and ready to shoot we'd almost rather just grab the UMP
I agree with you on the fact that they shouldn't have tried to make this a 'pocket camera, but should have just made a successor to the bmcc and bmpc, however if it is to be a true cinema camera, then an articulating screen loses importance, as you'd be using an external monitor anyway
lmao
Super nice roundup. Thanks!
Great review- thanks for the cinematic examples!! The BlackMagic looks stunning but the lack of IBIS is a worry
GH5 is a very good mirrorless camera mimicing the look, BMCC is a true cinena camera, so no ibis is a standard even for RED etc. Two different worlds.
I got a question. It's really hard to choose between these to camera's.
I really prefer battery life, over image quility..
My question is, i want to have the camera a good stabilisation. Without a rig. Wich one is better then?
Understand. GH5 for sure 😉
@@JoseReneVisuals Thank you for your comment. Wich beginning lens do you reccomend for a beginning film maker?
How do you get this soft film look? Do you use any soften filter?
Here’s the thing...
Unless you’re a person that needs absolute control over every nook and cranny of your footage, or if you’re pairing it with an ARRI or Red, then the BMPC4K is for you.
But if you want run and gun filming, or know the basics of shooting, then the GH5 is for you.
I use the 6K Open Gate option (making it 5K) then crop. The image quality is stunning. It looks the same as RAW to me. Because the resolution is so high.
Besides, no one is really pixel peeping when your shooting 4K and up.
Loved the video and quality of it. I am a GH5 user. I would love to see more of this video. keep it up!
Many thanks, The Gh5s looks so better in your footages!
Get better dynamic color & skin tone use HLG+
Snow Leopard Hi! Yeah a nice profile also, we love vlog for more heavy creative gradings though! Thanks for your comment!!
Hi dear! Many thanks for your response!
I use RedGiant Complete Suites for heavy grading, in documentary,
I agree with you
I love VLOG too, I enjoyed used it for 2 years,
But now HLG+ better in shadow noise, dynamic range for me!
Magic Bullet is great, we used it a lot!!
no iso range tests side by side and shadow information or noise?
I just need some arguments for my GH5 I bought a few weeks ago. Head to head with the BM4K I decide to go with the GH5 with just a few little things. But if I have to look "which camera is it" in your Video tells me, that both are worth the money they cost. And V-Log will do the rest...
Studio Bonn Hi there! Yes, the gh5 is an insane piece of gear. For the price, there are not many cameras out there as reliable and complete in options as the gh5. Thanks for watching.
BlackMagic kind of missed the mark on this camera I believe. Or needs to make another version of this soon. It checked the boxes on so many of the things film makers want . It missed the mark on so many things film makers need.
I don’t think they are enough of a camera company (yet) to get this camera up too speed within a couple of years and selling a revised version.
Add a tilting screen , a better battery and a few other tweaks . Push the price up a bit
BMPCC4K looks are much much better, but i just can't give up on GH5 features, i wouldn't think to change if i had loads of money so i can properly rig BMPCC4K
Where can I buy the footage lut??
our webpage.
I got a big question so the GH5S has a lot more Bitrate does this makes anything better than the BMPCC4K ? so The raw from the Blackmagic is sure awesome but what does the Higher Bitrate compared to the BMPCC4K ?
Nothing. Its better to shot with IPB 150Mbit, than 400Mbit. All-i is visually same, but it means less compression so you dont need so much compute power in workstation.
what lenses did you use on the blackmagic?
Great comparison! Helped a lot!
Here you go guys! :) Let us know if you have any questions!
2:00 Love the look of this shot! Did you use the BMPCC 4K for that specific shot, if so what lens? And great colors in this video! Did you manually grade each shot or did you use a lut?
Is this possible to use the small HD focus on the BMPCC 4K ? As a video monitor ?
Color grading super important until you realise people watch all this on non-color accurate screens and lots of people don't have perfect color vision in the first place. still important as a profesional though.
Yeah, you should check in cellphones, etc., to have an idea of what people are going to see.
Do you guys own a GH5S and is it practical.
ruffdraft we don’t own GH5s and we never tested it... 👊🏻
The question is: You wanna be a filmmaker or a videographer.
Great comparison guys, yes GH5 is more flexible. Saludos Jose!
Thanks, saludos!!!
out of all the gh5 gh5s vs black magic this is the best ive seen from teh gh5 what lens are you using?
Thanks, we used different lenses...
Do you guys have a GH5 lute package that I can buy and purchase.
And can the Black Magic lut be used on both the Panasonic GH5 and GH5s
ruffdraft Sure, check our shop in the description, every pack has vlog and gh5 presets!
@@JoseReneVisuals That's absolutely brilliant news because I want to use the Black Magic lut pack on the Panasonic GH5 and GH5s that I will eventually be purchasing.
Don't you think the Autofocusing ability on GH5 is the most important aspect that set the two cameras apart, especially on Gimbal setting?
John So we’re not using AF while filming 😉
John So no professional uses AF
loganhuntfilmm We don't, especially for commercials. For the documentary world is a must nowadays, but the gh5, has not the best AF either, it's unreliable many times...
@@loganhuntfilmm6426 lol
Are you guys going to purchase the Fuji XT4 and Panasonic s1 and s1h
ruffdraft we don’t know yet 😉
IBIS is the main point why I don't want to switch to BMPCC. Because in the end it doesn't matter how cool your colors are, if they are too shaky.
Great input and comparison. Thank you!
Carlos Alvarado Photography thanks for watching!🙌🏻
Along with the Panasonic GH5 and GH5s can I use your millenio Lut on the Nikon D5500
ruffdraft hey, yes you can👊🏻
Can you give
You’d think in 2018 Panasonic or any other major camera maker could just put raw video into a prosumer camera and not just some niche camera like the BMCC.
Shao Zhang maybe they will make something in 2019, we’ll see 😉
Hi, don't you think we need new firmware update to be able to record to external ssd via USB C on the GH5 just like the blackmagic pocket
Martins Marvin for sure 😉
FW updates cannot overcome hardware limitations. Panny woulda implemented that if it was possible
Hello this is a great video! Can you tell us what lenses you used for the Beer Commercial? Thanks, Ryan
Hey mate! Thanks for your comment, we used Voightlader 25mm.
What lenses are used in the beer scene? It's a lot of quality.
they used a voigtlander 25mm f/0.95
Great video guys. Thank you for all the great information :)
SachAtEnd you’re more than welcome🙌🏻
thanks guys very helpful! I think i'll be going for the gh5 :) im already a gh4 owner and wasn't sure about buying a camera that is so similar. but I love the IBIS and 40k/60p :D
Joel Garman thanks for watching, yeah go for it👊🏻🔥
Thanks for doing this. very helpful.
Phase Photo thanks for watching❤️
Excellent review. I wonder if the gh5s can match the bmcc?
Carlos Teixeira thanks, yes but it’s super hard ;)
@@JoseReneVisuals for the comparison did u record in 400mbs all-intra on the gh5 side and what do you guys grade in? Resolve, PP, etc
Very interesting video. Thank you
I am not an expert because I just
like to shoot. I'd like to ask some questions please, hoping someone
experienced will answer me.
1) I only make documentaries in remote
areas, around the world. 2) I always travel alone. 3) I like to shoot in
4K 50p 10bit. 4) I would like to get the same or slightly better video
quality than the GH5. 5) I would like a camera that is easy to use.
Which
camera do you think is the best for me? I could also accept a small
camcorder/videocamera, but only if it has excellent image quality. I
THANK YOU for
your suggestions.
awesome video guys! It’s 3 yo vlog but if you see this comment could you please tell me what lens did you use filming those scenes in bar? It’s so smooth and bright! Thanks in advance:)
It was the Voigtlander 25mm f/0.95!
@@josepradafilms thanks a lot!
Great video! Enjoying your colour correction!
Cloud Media thanks!!🙌🏻
What was the name of the Lut you used on the Panasonic GH5 in this video and can I buy this Lut.
ruffdraft hi, it’s our millenio Lut. jrvisuals.co.uk/product/jrv-golden-luts/
@@JoseReneVisuals Thanks guys. I noticed you guys are based in London hopefully I can visit you guys. And learn something's. You guys on Facebook and Instagram. Plan is to buy the Panasonic GH5 and Canon 80D first and the Nikon D750, Fuji XT3, Panasonic GH5s and Sony A7III later. Four year plan.
I currently own the Nikon D5500 which in my opinion is a great run and gun camera.
Found a 70 pound metabones f mount booster to attach to the Panasonic GH5 via Amazon. That should start me off. Thanks. I shall contact you via Facebook and Instagram ok.
thanks for your explanation
Thanks for watching!✌🏻
Great vid !!! What LUT did you use for VLOG on the GH5? Thanks
Hey! Thanks! We used our golden package Luts 🙃👊🏻✌🏻
@@JoseReneVisuals Thanks so much! And which rec 709 one ?
Raw is Raw. If the GH5 had Raw and better low light it would be hands down. Oh and if you use an additional QR plate or a heavier lens you can mount the Pocket 4k on the Ronin. I love my GH5 but I have to switch to the GH5s at almost every event due to the low light performance. I even light scenes when I can. The best feature and reason I can't part with the GH5/GH5s is its Anamorphic options. What will the GH6 look like?
Thank you
Witch lens did u used on the gh5?
Sotto Sopra hey Sigma 18-35
Thank you for video.
Cornelius Titiu you’re welcome, thanks for watching!! Happy holidays!
There’s no comparison with the bmpcc4k dynamic range.
Less talking head and more side by sides or just plain videos of the 2 cameras please.
J Taylor Thanks for your comment, but this is our style for now and don't think it will change soon. There are pther awesome channels on the internet with exactly what you ask for. We're sure you'll love them!
Who were the 28 assholes disliked such an insightful detailed comparison video? Time for TH-cam to have a disagree button besides dislike button, people often mix them but they are different.
wo great colors what LUT did you guys use for the VLOG?
Have you checked out the GHAlex LUT?
@@ralvis20 i have but you need VLOG for that? or can i use Cine-D?
@@henrystephens8328 yeah unfortunately you need to be in Vlog. He does send a Cine-D to Vlog conversion, not sure how well that turns out I haven't tried it yet. There are TON of great Cine-D LUTs out there though
Thanks..any luts for cine-d that you can recommend?
@@henrystephens8328 probably this one www.leeminglutpro.com/ for CineD
What type of comparison video doesnt have the videos side by side... Come on
NEMtv ours I guess :)
The ability to shoot pro res and raw is underrated. The ability to grade and edit with no restrictions in post opens up so many doors. Too often have an editor given compressed footage to grade clogging up the workflow.
Thanks that's a great review and as always you have amazing footage. Here at Racer Creative we chose the GH5s based on image quality and of course ease of use.
Darren Roberts thanks! That’s great!👊🏻
Excelente muchachos!
Pablo Martin Gil cheers!
ill take the g5. more reliability in the end. I can copy those cinematic of the black magic in post.
This is Cinema vs. Normal.
The P4k is really meant for rigging! A RED doesn't even come with a screen LOL
Can't stop laughing 3:36
когда блэкмеджик будет полно кадровым :(
Nice!!
José, ahora en español, pls!!
Gracias!!!
Your letterbox is a bit smaller than your video! It shows in the corners when showing the comparisons - especially at 2:37!
Carson Talbert Thanks mate, no way to change the video, we uploaded on the road so we'll have to live with it!
@@JoseReneVisuals Understood - great video btw!
fuji xt-3 please
It can fit on the Ronin-M. Just need to install a quick release or cheese plate on top of the Ronin-M plate horizontally, so you can adjust the camera left and right as well. This will help clear it from the Ronin-M's cage.
Here's my set-up with wireless follow focus as an example:
th-cam.com/video/HMU8CaoF0Z0/w-d-xo.html
BMPCC4K all the way baby!
actually true review like it
Ank. photography thanks!
First of all you should say what type of videos are you shooting. Event shooting is not film shooting. And you have different requirements for camera.
Second , rig for camera with cage speedboster, v-mount battery , rods and all you will need will cost you about 1500-1700$. And it’s not a Usra mini price at all! If you will add all of this to gh5 it may be will be an it’s mini price, but not with a pocket4k.
It’s not event camera, that’s for sure. Try to compare gh5 and Alexa mini and you will end with same conclusion -gh5 is better. BUT, does it ??)
Алексей Кузьменко That's what we say on the video. I don't know if first or second or third of all, but we say it (maybe first of all you should watch the video). Second, if you want to have reliable components the prices goes up, approximately to the price of an Ursa. And the point of this video is that 90% of today's filmmakers shoot commercials and events, that both cameras are on the same price range and that quickness of operation is sometimes more important than quality image.
The music track on top of your commentary is not a good idea, too loud, at times very hard to hear what you're saying. The skin tones on the woman did not look good or realistic on either camera imo. Good points about the differences of the two cameras, thumbs up for effort.
Thanks for your words!
g9 user here, I will vote for gh5 for its battery life and additional features as a normal user
fair enough!
The pocket fits my ronin m just fine? :/
really?
Jose & Rene Visuals Yes! I am using the sigma 18-35 art lens and the metabones ultra speedbooster...maybe it’s because the lens is so heavy that I don’t need to push the camera past the cage part of the ronin? 🤨 not sure! But it works
Hugo Brand yeah probably that’s the reason.. But we tried with Sigma as well and the body was to wide...
Jose & Rene Visuals th-cam.com/video/inF9GJ6F8a0/w-d-xo.html this guy just released a video on the bmpcc4k + ronin m. It will help you learn how to mount it.
daniel maks 🙏🏻🙌🏻
So GH5 is better 🤷🏼♂️
Your widescreen matte has a leak. lol
Thanks for pointing out!!