That could’ve been a Darwin Award to the bloke standing right in its roll path. “Looks like it’s gonna roll, I better stand under it to catch it” 🤦🏻♂️🤷🏼♂️
@@TarmacLife. Standing under the car like that is plain stupidity. Here in Melbourne Australia we have a 4wd testing ground that everyone uses from all the car journo's to dealerships and police training. About 10 year's ago a young police officer got out of a 4wd on a hill climb during training and thought he could trust the car only to have it roll and crush him to death. The guy in this video clearly has no brains.
That was some excellent driving, excellent instruction/spotting along with the cool-headedness on the part of the driver as well as those outside the vehicle. I’m impressed with the equipment and the trust in that equipment, but more than that the wherewithal to stay in the vehicle, wait patiently, think the problem through and calmly execute that impressive bit of driving skill. Excellent job by all!!
Please note the vid isn't horizontal. The image leans slightly to the right (just look at the antenna tower in the background). I would say a minimum of 10 to 15°. The vid makes the 110 look as if it was leaning more than in reality (though it leans significantly ). You should rotate your screen to the left to put the tower vertically to see the real angle of the scene.
The video was apparently shot by a dash cam, therefore at the angle of the vehicle it was in. That would account for the VERY slight deviance from vertical (plumb) of the tower perceived in this clip. That said, it is plainly NOT at a 10-15 degree angle. You do get (and deserve) credit for spotting that minor and unobvious detail. However, your exaggeration seems as though it MIGHT or might not intend to imply deception. Regardless of the extremely slight variance from level of the recording device, the point is THAT WAS SOME EXCELLENT DRIVING. My two cents....
Personally I'd have reversed hard left the front would have swung round and you'd of drove down forward. Hard right and the front would be trying to go uphill
Proper demonstration how NOT to drive in desert. Steering upwards in such critical angle is really dangerous. Steer down immediately and go down that's the best thing to do.
I've been driving in the desert for years and am a senior trip leader / instructor in an offroad club. The instructor here needs some instruction. That was unsafe, and entirely the wrong way to recover the vehicle. A classic example of what not to do.
That wasn't trust, it was poor judgement plain and simple. No matter how good or trustworthy the machine is, it is still subject to adverse situations, environmental conditions and human error. Never stand anywhere near the path of a falling or rolling-over object.
I sort of assume that the tower in the background is built vertical which confirms that the angle of the LRD is not very extreme at all. The camera is on a bit of an angle which makes it look more dangerous. Much ado about nothing.
If the video was level and actually showed the real slope this would be a more accurate idea, but getting out of that situation had more to do with the vehicles center of gravity, not it's tech or capability. Pretty much any 4WD could have done exactly the same thing there. But again, the video is skewing the slope so it looks more intense than it really is
It’s common knowledge that the Defender like most Land Rover products can handle a 45 degree cross slope. Doesn’t look like this was much of an issue given that working envelope. Much fuss about nothing.
I am more of a landcruiser person but I do love the new defender. I would only have to rip off the cute stuff like front bumper, replace for 16" rims, add a winch etc. I want it to look, feel and become more tough so that I would feel comfortable to take it off road. Would love to see it's performance as an Arctic truck conversion against its rivals. Nice!
Don't rip the front bumper of a new Defender off, there's critical wiring loom just behind it - as TFL Truck channel found out when a factory approved winch installation, by a LR dealership, went very wrong and turned into a back-to-factory rebuild. There's something amiss in the design stage for that sort of vulnerability to happen. Along with the rear lights, which needed extra lamps to be added later, allegedly as the original design wasn't compliant with regulations for side visibility. Every time I see one from behind I think 'There goes a car made by people who didn't do a technical specification properly - I wonder what else they missed?' I actually really like the new Defenders and want Land Rover to succeed, even if their designers do daft stuff.
The best way to recover a vehicle in this situation is to 1. Turn the front wheels fully towards the slope. 2. Gently press the gas paddle and there it goes. 3. That's it!
No matter what strange idea was in the head of the instructor, to put the LR in that situation, that is definitely the most dangerous way to recover the vehicle. Always descend either rear or front way. Never sideways.
@@Psyco913 Hi Jonathan. In that particular situation, he should turn the weals to the left and and put the reverse. This way, the front of the car would point down. Then, 1st gear and safely descend. Sorry about my english and greetings from Portugal.
Aside from all other circumstances (was that the "instructor" standing downhill of the LR? 😳), how did that Defender handle differently than a 35 year old Mitsubishi Pajero in that situation?
Thanks for watching and comments. Yep he was our lead. Very experienced and obviously very trusting. As far as the LR went, all very clever (modern) tech going on behind the scenes. Sure the 35 yo off roader would handle the terrain but the LR did just fine.
@@TarmacLife How much is the new defender with all that electric wizardry again? My £5k Toyota Prado would have been out of that situation a lot quicker. How? By giving it full right lock and sticking it in reverse.
It’s cold blood , if the Land start a flip he has to do only a step in his left direction for be safe , he’s stay on the shadow all time for look better, great work guys
Your instructor is more trusting of the defender than most. My friends new defender has been in the shop for months now, and he gets to drive a loaner. Great deal.
Safest approach would have been for the top vehicle to winch him up or at least straight with his bumper facing downhill vs. his side. Could have easily been a roll-over situation; does not matter how capable the vehicle is, it's physics. They got lucky this time out.
So they designed the capability to slide sideways in soft sand? Sand mode wasn't helping here, and raising the suspension by 50mm certainly wouldn't help.
Well I don't know about the promo video here , but this happened to me on the discovery 1 with 4" lift think it look worst than this on my friends videos but i use my brain to get my self out
Pretty cool, but the guy standing down hill from it seemed to be taking a risk. Driver might have avoided the situation by carrying some speed over that hill. Impressive stability.
This video was supposed to show us what? How it can slide down some sand sideways? Exactly how did the mentioned 50mm suspension height or "clever" maneuvering help here? Suspension height had little to do with this decent, nor was this anything clever on the part of the driver..try the same thing, same angle and severity of slide somewhere in BC, Alberta, or Colorado in the winters, with trees waiting for you are the end of the hill..
I would be going to leave it and call Land Rover to recover it. Unfortunately insurance don't cover those are, otherwise i would go online and max my insurance before touching the car.
With all respect...it's not about the technology in the defender...it's just a good luck. The recovery doesn't meet minimum safety requirements, and there was a high chance of rolling, it was only a very good luck.
Point the rear of the vehicle down hill and back down to the flat and try again. That is the most stable orientation of the vehicle. Don't side slip your vehicle down a hill. If one of the downhill tires bites you're going straight over. Appalling driving and even worse instruction. I think he's standing underneath the vehicle because he doesn't know any better.
Cheers for watching and comments. In fairness to both driver and instructor, the mistake was easy to make (the dunes look the same) and the instructor has been doing this for decades. The LR was amazing too.
He was stuck in the situation, miscalculated and reversed, and slid down the sandy bank.... Nothing about this has anything to do with trust... It os total driver error I own a new Defender and am trading it in next week... it is not very off road capable, gets stuck frequently, constantly lifts wheels, dangerously, and I have blown 2 tires, one while driving a mild dirt road, heading to work.. The second while trying to get to my cabin.... I had to call help, both times... These were their alleged "Off road" tires too.... Oh, and it stumbles trying to climb up and over such simple obstacles, struggling to get power to the wheels, because of all the electronic assists always taking too long to figure out where to put power...... If it weren't called a "Defender", I'd like it, because i'd have lower expectations.. I love Land Rover and have owned 2 Discos and a Range Rover... My dad had a Defender when I was in middle school, and it was a go-anywhere beast.. I can't use my Defender to get to my family's cabin.. Dad's old Defender made the journey to the cabin, with ease, multiple times per summer.... This is worth noting... Contrary to the video description, there is a good chance that the Defender will NOT get you home, at all lol
Nothing new here. Dry sand will allow any vehicle to slide gracefully down an extreme slope - as anyone here who has been on dune driving experience will have seen.
There are so many things wrong with this video the apparent instructor who standing below the vehicle where if it rolled it would have killed him as well as the advice that he gave the guy was so incorrect it was not funny it's amazing that this vehicle didn't roll-on this sandune
Sorry but the way this self recovery was done is incorrect. First you get out of the car and assess, or others do so, and that was correct. Second, you need counter-balancing, doesn’t matter if it was a 1980 Suzuki or the newest raptor, counter-balancing is a must, especially with a car of such height. Third, you stead towards the slope, in this case downwards, to the right of the driver, and slowly apply throttle, ofcourse with your diff on, and slowly use the cars weight to descend. Not just apply throttle and let the car do the driving. If this was a bit stealer, you could’ve said byebye
Don't care who you are, or how confident in the vehicle you are. You don't stand on the low side of a vehicle on a side-slope... unless you're trying for a Darwin award. Personally, I would've kept my foot in and steered left but I'm guessing a journo' bottled it and stopped. In that case, steer right and reverse down the side-slope.
@@TarmacLife First misstake, driving so far to the right and close to the crest. Totally unnecessary. And get out of that one, sliding down without advancing.....that was more luck then skills. But I like the LR. Hope you enjoyed the trip.
That could’ve been a Darwin Award to the bloke standing right in its roll path. “Looks like it’s gonna roll, I better stand under it to catch it” 🤦🏻♂️🤷🏼♂️
Haha, yep he was very trusting
@@TarmacLife. Standing under the car like that is plain stupidity. Here in Melbourne Australia we have a 4wd testing ground that everyone uses from all the car journo's to dealerships and police training. About 10 year's ago a young police officer got out of a 4wd on a hill climb during training and thought he could trust the car only to have it roll and crush him to death. The guy in this video clearly has no brains.
@@TarmacLife or very dim
He's not directly down from it.
Darwin
That was some excellent driving, excellent instruction/spotting along with the cool-headedness on the part of the driver as well as those outside the vehicle. I’m impressed with the equipment and the trust in that equipment, but more than that the wherewithal to stay in the vehicle, wait patiently, think the problem through and calmly execute that impressive bit of driving skill. Excellent job by all!!
Thanks
Please note the vid isn't horizontal.
The image leans slightly to the right (just look at the antenna tower in the background). I would say a minimum of 10 to 15°.
The vid makes the 110 look as if it was leaning more than in reality (though it leans significantly ).
You should rotate your screen to the left to put the tower vertically to see the real angle of the scene.
You have a pair of good eyes buddy
gosh, nowhere close to 10 to 15 degrees. It's more like 3 degrees, max. Still, good spot
That’s the leaning tower of the desert
its still pretty dangerous in soft sand.
The video was apparently shot by a dash cam, therefore at the angle of the vehicle it was in. That would account for the VERY slight deviance from vertical (plumb) of the tower perceived in this clip.
That said, it is plainly NOT at a 10-15 degree angle. You do get (and deserve) credit for spotting that minor and unobvious detail. However, your exaggeration seems as though it MIGHT or might not intend to imply deception.
Regardless of the extremely slight variance from level of the recording device, the point is THAT WAS SOME EXCELLENT DRIVING.
My two cents....
That didn't look like the best or safest recovery. Like previously stated...hard right and reverse down.
Yeah maybe, the instructor seemed confident :)
That's what I thought so I then thought maybe I am missing something
Personally I'd have reversed hard left the front would have swung round and you'd of drove down forward. Hard right and the front would be trying to go uphill
Shouldn't have stopped, hard right and keep going forwards
@@TarmacLife You need to rethink about your instructor. This recovery was wrong at multiple levels. Confidence doesn't mean it was done right.
Completely wrong recovery, and it was a miracle that your car didn't roll over!!
It was well within the rollover angle, but the procedure shown looked unsafe.
Proper demonstration how NOT to drive in desert. Steering upwards in such critical angle is really dangerous. Steer down immediately and go down that's the best thing to do.
Thanks for watching and comments - appreciate the feedback but found it best to trust the instructor on hand.
@@TarmacLife Well said!
I've been driving in the desert for years and am a senior trip leader / instructor in an offroad club.
The instructor here needs some instruction. That was unsafe, and entirely the wrong way to recover the vehicle. A classic example of what not to do.
Cheers for the awesome vid! These cars do incredible things these days.
Thanks for watching and comments. I agree, the way these new LRs handle whatever is thrown at it is amazing
Very impressive demonstration of the mall crawlers capability 👍.
It's an incredibly capable Defender, so good.
@@TarmacLife I’ve seen F1 cars with more axle articulation than the new defender!
That wasn't trust, it was poor judgement plain and simple. No matter how good or trustworthy the machine is, it is still subject to adverse situations, environmental conditions and human error.
Never stand anywhere near the path of a falling or rolling-over object.
See? Now videos like this is what Land Rover should use for their advertisement! If you weren’t sold on the new Defender, you are now.
LR is perfect to drive over any type of terrain.... for the first 2 years! After that you can use it to go to mechanic shops and back home.
I sort of assume that the tower in the background is built vertical which confirms that the angle of the LRD is not very extreme at all. The camera is on a bit of an angle which makes it look more dangerous. Much ado about nothing.
HR's heart just exploded.
Haha
Hey mate ! Can u please tell the cars name whose exhaust note u had put up in the starting of the video.
Hey, thanks for watching. It's a Ferrari but not sure whether an 812 or F12
@@TarmacLife Oh k, thanks mate, have a good day 👍
That was a very dangerous place to stand!
Very nice vídeo! The music was good.
Thanks for watching and positive comments
Interesting. I’ve had my Defender a year now. It is a stunning vehicle on and off road.
Great to hear, we were impressed with it
Great vehicle when it works 😆😆
I got my Defender 11 years ago when it was celebrating its 21st. I don't think it would have go stuck here. Just sayin'......
The vehicle's inclination is tested and is definitely more than what I see here.
Sometimes we made bad calls. Good job for the successful recovery.
Thanks for the comments
If the video was level and actually showed the real slope this would be a more accurate idea, but getting out of that situation had more to do with the vehicles center of gravity, not it's tech or capability. Pretty much any 4WD could have done exactly the same thing there. But again, the video is skewing the slope so it looks more intense than it really is
What are the noises playing?
Where
At the national park just outside Dubai
It’s common knowledge that the Defender like most Land Rover products can handle a 45 degree cross slope. Doesn’t look like this was much of an issue given that working envelope. Much fuss about nothing.
That's beyong physics law. Amazing. Now i want a Defender myself. 😍
Thanks for watching and comments, we're with you.
I am more of a landcruiser person but I do love the new defender. I would only have to rip off the cute stuff like front bumper, replace for 16" rims, add a winch etc. I want it to look, feel and become more tough so that I would feel comfortable to take it off road. Would love to see it's performance as an Arctic truck conversion against its rivals. Nice!
Don't rip the front bumper of a new Defender off, there's critical wiring loom just behind it - as TFL Truck channel found out when a factory approved winch installation, by a LR dealership, went very wrong and turned into a back-to-factory rebuild.
There's something amiss in the design stage for that sort of vulnerability to happen. Along with the rear lights, which needed extra lamps to be added later, allegedly as the original design wasn't compliant with regulations for side visibility. Every time I see one from behind I think 'There goes a car made by people who didn't do a technical specification properly - I wonder what else they missed?'
I actually really like the new Defenders and want Land Rover to succeed, even if their designers do daft stuff.
The best way to recover a vehicle in this situation is to
1. Turn the front wheels fully towards the slope.
2. Gently press the gas paddle and there it goes.
3. That's it!
Thanks for watching and comments. Hopefully we don't get stuck ever again
No matter what strange idea was in the head of the instructor, to put the LR in that situation, that is definitely the most dangerous way to recover the vehicle. Always descend either rear or front way. Never sideways.
Without any outside assistance that was the only way is was going to descend.
@@Psyco913 Hi Jonathan. In that particular situation, he should turn the weals to the left and and put the reverse. This way, the front of the car would point down. Then, 1st gear and safely descend. Sorry about my english and greetings from Portugal.
Aside from all other circumstances (was that the "instructor" standing downhill of the LR? 😳), how did that Defender handle differently than a 35 year old Mitsubishi Pajero in that situation?
Thanks for watching and comments. Yep he was our lead. Very experienced and obviously very trusting. As far as the LR went, all very clever (modern) tech going on behind the scenes. Sure the 35 yo off roader would handle the terrain but the LR did just fine.
@@TarmacLife
How much is the new defender with all that electric wizardry again?
My £5k Toyota Prado would have been out of that situation a lot quicker. How?
By giving it full right lock and sticking it in reverse.
@@petittrainguernsey3297 Could have done the same thing in a 70 year old Series 1
Would have thought hard right hand down? Sand looked hard at bottom to back into. Could have had quite a different ending the way it was done :/
Thanks for watching and comments, yiu could very well be right, but better to trust the experienced instructor we felt.
Ley me stand in the shadow so I can see you better. Famous last words.
land rover has best roll over angle period just goes to show here
Land rover and jaguar is an Indian brand..and you can always trust Indian cars for its built quality and safety ❤️❤️
💀
Just sold my defender 2020 and took a bronco badlands…defender is luxurious but bronco more off road useful
how so?
@@londoriath3764 bigger tyres, swaybar and Sasquatch,
Good choice defender is overpriced grocery getter
I would never do this in that situation, especially with a vehicule of that price. They are lucky.
Thanks for watching and comments, but this was an ideal vehicle to be there with.
It ended well, but I can´t stop thinking that the one that did the job was the gravity and not the land rover hahahah
Thanks for watching, we like to think it was a great combo of car, driver and instructor haha
He is finding the shade 😌
I got taught never to steer up hill in those situations.
Yeah it's odd, the comments vary a lot
It’s cold blood , if the Land start a flip he has to do only a step in his left direction for be safe , he’s stay on the shadow all time for look better, great work guys
It's not the capability of the Land Rover it's the capability of the driver
Your instructor is more trusting of the defender than most. My friends new defender has been in the shop for months now, and he gets to drive a loaner. Great deal.
Safest approach would have been for the top vehicle to winch him up or at least straight with his bumper facing downhill vs. his side. Could have easily been a roll-over situation; does not matter how capable the vehicle is, it's physics. They got lucky this time out.
So they designed the capability to slide sideways in soft sand? Sand mode wasn't helping here, and raising the suspension by 50mm certainly wouldn't help.
Well I don't know about the promo video here , but this happened to me on the discovery 1 with 4" lift think it look worst than this on my friends videos but i use my brain to get my self out
Thanks for watching and comments, it does look worse and the LR is smart enough to get away unscathed but raised the pulse of the 'townie' occupants
Pretty cool, but the guy standing down hill from it seemed to be taking a risk. Driver might have avoided the situation by carrying some speed over that hill. Impressive stability.
Editing the slight Dutch Tilt was unnecessary lads, it was dramatic enough at 90*
Thanks Kane
He could have turned his wheel to the right and drive backwards, much safer and easier
Mash it while turning right. Simple.
This video was supposed to show us what? How it can slide down some sand sideways? Exactly how did the mentioned 50mm suspension height or "clever" maneuvering help here? Suspension height had little to do with this decent, nor was this anything clever on the part of the driver..try the same thing, same angle and severity of slide somewhere in BC, Alberta, or Colorado in the winters, with trees waiting for you are the end of the hill..
Saw one of these broken down in traffic the other day getting a tow.
A quality bit of driving to recover from a silly mistake.
Thanks Dean, the LR did all the work
Great
Cheers
If the COG had been a bit higher.....
Haha, maybe
it's been a long time since I've seen somebody missed the point more.
I would be going to leave it and call Land Rover to recover it.
Unfortunately insurance don't cover those are, otherwise i would go online and max my insurance before touching the car.
So you didn't make it up that puny hill then !
Haha, second attempt was fine
Just call Matt offroad Banana Rescue...
I know that desert well 🤓
Such a great place to play
With all respect...it's not about the technology in the defender...it's just a good luck.
The recovery doesn't meet minimum safety requirements, and there was a high chance of rolling, it was only a very good luck.
I knew Steve Irwin was still alive
Sideways hill decent assist.
Oh dear.. I would panic..
I think those inside did too
All he had to do was turn right and accelerate. They were lucky the defender didnt roll.
Point the rear of the vehicle down hill and back down to the flat and try again. That is the most stable orientation of the vehicle. Don't side slip your vehicle down a hill. If one of the downhill tires bites you're going straight over. Appalling driving and even worse instruction. I think he's standing underneath the vehicle because he doesn't know any better.
Thanks for watching and comments, I believe it was pretty bedded in there. Enough to have the suspension extend, but great comments.
Yeah back down straighten up and see if it would climb back up. That'll be impressive.
All good until the vehicle’s ability runs out and two people are flattened
I will try to be constructive, man nothing impressive the defender done here. All that was the gravity was on your side , and correct steering input.
Driver was an idiot for steering to the RH edge at that spot.
Dangerous recovery for many reasons.
Turn hard right and reverse out… 🤷🏻♂️
Cheers for watching and comments. In fairness to both driver and instructor, the mistake was easy to make (the dunes look the same) and the instructor has been doing this for decades. The LR was amazing too.
This is a lesson of what NOT to do
That’s underestimating the risk more than trust. Could’ve went very bad, had the vehicle rolled on him.
it's not about the car. it's how sand driving. if the driver kept the momentum he/she should've been able to slide down faster.
He was stuck in the situation, miscalculated and reversed, and slid down the sandy bank.... Nothing about this has anything to do with trust... It os total driver error
I own a new Defender and am trading it in next week... it is not very off road capable, gets stuck frequently, constantly lifts wheels, dangerously, and I have blown 2 tires, one while driving a mild dirt road, heading to work.. The second while trying to get to my cabin.... I had to call help, both times... These were their alleged "Off road" tires too.... Oh, and it stumbles trying to climb up and over such simple obstacles, struggling to get power to the wheels, because of all the electronic assists always taking too long to figure out where to put power...... If it weren't called a "Defender", I'd like it, because i'd have lower expectations.. I love Land Rover and have owned 2 Discos and a Range Rover... My dad had a Defender when I was in middle school, and it was a go-anywhere beast.. I can't use my Defender to get to my family's cabin.. Dad's old Defender made the journey to the cabin, with ease, multiple times per summer.... This is worth noting... Contrary to the video description, there is a good chance that the Defender will NOT get you home, at all lol
It was impressive but too dangerous. It's much better to do it safer and to be 300% sure that it can't roll
In fairness, the instructor knows both vehicle and dunes incredibly well, and the new Defender is ultra capable
ALL he had to do was right hand down all the way and drive it down, did that on tractors on steep hill and the discovery has a lower CO gravity
Whether Defender or not, that is not how to get out of that predicament safely
Like the driver was learning to drive on the first day..😬
I really though its gonna roll over.
Nothing new here. Dry sand will allow any vehicle to slide gracefully down an extreme slope - as anyone here who has been on dune driving experience will have seen.
I think a winch would have been a safer idea
No winch but great idea
nothing to anchor to bud
💯💯🔝🔝🔝🔝
very strange way to recover, I would have put the steering wheel l the way to the right and then go reverse...
...hard right...
Njirr tak kiro meh ngguling😅😂
He just wanted to be in the shade
There are so many things wrong with this video the apparent instructor who standing below the vehicle where if it rolled it would have killed him as well as the advice that he gave the guy was so incorrect it was not funny it's amazing that this vehicle didn't roll-on this sandune
I kinda smiled❤
I know he wants shadow but that ain't the right place
unbelievable
Great escape though
Sorry but the way this self recovery was done is incorrect. First you get out of the car and assess, or others do so, and that was correct. Second, you need counter-balancing, doesn’t matter if it was a 1980 Suzuki or the newest raptor, counter-balancing is a must, especially with a car of such height. Third, you stead towards the slope, in this case downwards, to the right of the driver, and slowly apply throttle, ofcourse with your diff on, and slowly use the cars weight to descend. Not just apply throttle and let the car do the driving. If this was a bit stealer, you could’ve said byebye
Don't care who you are, or how confident in the vehicle you are.
You don't stand on the low side of a vehicle on a side-slope... unless you're trying for a Darwin award.
Personally, I would've kept my foot in and steered left but I'm guessing a journo' bottled it and stopped.
In that case, steer right and reverse down the side-slope.
Good thing it was soft soft sand..and not dirt or gravel...it would have gone over!
Yeah you could be right
When you do everything wrong and you are very lucky
Everything? We were in a very capable LR
@@TarmacLife First misstake, driving so far to the right and close to the crest. Totally unnecessary. And get out of that one, sliding down without advancing.....that was more luck then skills.
But I like the LR. Hope you enjoyed the trip.
Hmm, anyone else looking forward to the Rivian SUV’s much lower centre-of-gravity? 😬
Not just yet for us, proven experience of a Landy any day.
awesome
Cheers
Don't rate his driving in the first place. (yes i am experiance, 40 years in the desert)
Thanks for watching and comments Bob
Big whoop
Cheers
That was dull. Could have done that in a corsa!
Haha, we'd like to see that
Not safe at all should have move forward and slide
I don't think so I'll run in DXB
No matter the tech or who is driving it's really brazen to even attempt going up against the laws of physics lol
*Wow* 👍👍👍
Thanks :)