Currently on sale for $250 with the corded adapter from CPO: www.cpooutlets.com/metabo-hpt-c3610dram-multivolt-36v-brushless-10-in.-dual-bevel-sliding-miter-saw-with-adapter/mhpnc3610dram.html
That was a killer deal, especially given that the ac adapter is ~$150 by itself. They are gone now, of course, but they do have the saw by itself for $519. I was particularly intrigued by your review, as I am looking at the corded 10" Metabo to go with my 7-1/4" Ridgid cordless. This would have filled both roles, but not at that price point for a hobbyist like me. At $250, yes, since that is what I'm looking at for the 10" corded unit on clearance at Lowes.
This saw has been making me money for quite some time Luv the option to plug it in when it's set up for the day- got two of these for $299-free rebate for more batteries and ac adapter The other 36V tools recipe, hammer drill and circ saw our outperforming my Milwaukee and makitas in most applications
In my opinion HPT’s multivolt line is the one that stands out the most to me, starting with the fact that they kept past and future customers in mind by making the MV batteries backwards compatible with the older 18v which to me is huge (Makita sadly failed to implement this with their newer 36v xgt line) a cpl other big pros being the performance of the tools(very few haven’t lived up to expectations one being the oscillating multi tool imo it wasn’t great but idk if it’s MV actually either) large catalog, many IP56 rated tools, the use of 21700 cells, innovation, reliability, durability, quality well designed tools, ergonomics, customer service & the cord/cordless operation is an invaluable option to this customer & I think that their tools are worth the slightly higher price tag than some of the other colors.. the cons: they have a large catalog but the big problem I’ve had is not being able to get certain Japanese models they make imported into the USA without voiding the warranty and or over paying for the tool itself, one of the tools being the 36v 6.5” c3605da or the 125mm 3605DB a -15degree flush cut saw and the Bluetooth compatible batteries aren’t sold here either which is why I’d consider the hassle of needing a tool and having to import it from Japan aspect the biggest problem I have with the company
This tool makes sense ac/dc because the adapter is stationary. On other tools the adapter will break when dragged around....happened twice...great channel 👍🇺🇸
We say it every time we get out the AC adapter. Why is the box not wrapped in rubber.... Also why we stayed near the end that the ac adapter would also have to last for the tool to keep working.
I’m so glad you guys tested this saw. I tell people about this and the rest of the Multivolt lineup all the time, and they just don’t understand how amazing it really is until they use it themselves. It’s truly a game changer. These batteries, the 4 amp and the 2.5 amp last forever even when the tool is getting a constant hot supper. Never seem to get near as hot as my Milwaukee M18 or my Dewalt 20v batteries. I literally jus filmed a comparison of the Multivolt 1/2 impact being used to rotate my tires on my Xterra. One side with the 4/8 amp and the other side utilizing the AC adapter. Beast mode either way! Awesome review as always gentlemen, and thank you for showcasing the Metabo HPT lineup as much as you have. I own a little bit from all brands in all Volts and sizes, and the Multivolt line is by far my favorite! Hope you all have a happy holidays! 🍻🎄🎄🍻
I have been using the industry standard 8" Hitachi for 20 years. 2 months ago I upgraded to this saw and I like it. the laser is a little funky and can be better. another thing is finding attachments like crown stops. im not even sure they exist yet. also the vac plugs right in and does a great job with the dust.
Nice review fellas ... I picked up the Metabo HPT 10 in single bevel miter saw for $99 last year... I'm just a DIY guy so I don't use it a whole lot. it's nice to have around... also, I agree that Metabo blade that came with it is actually a good blade...☝️
I love my 12" Hitachi corded miter and all my other Hitachi tools, I just can't justify spending money on all the other overpriced brands and paying for there names. When I was driving truck I went to pick up air compressors and the funny thing was it was the same compressor on the belt going thru the factory and the ones that split to the left was going to be labeled dewalt and the ones going right were getting labeled a cheap brand and it was all the same thing
Had a similar experience. One of my first jobs out of high school was a coat packing factory. Most of them were higher end designers for that era (Gloria Vanderbilt, Ralph Lauren, Calvin Klein, etc). One day I was instructed to do tagging and was actually removing designer tags and replacing with Kmart tags. So if it looks walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck.....it's a duck.
I'm on the market for a 10" saw, how's the accuracy? would you use this for framing or for fine woodworking? i need it for furniture making. How does it compare to the Bosch Glider or the Makita 10" slider?
IMHO, much nicer than the Bosch 10" glider. I do not see that as a super accurate saw. The Makita and Metabo HPT are fairly similar. I do not see this as a framing saw, see it more for finish carpentry. I would use this saw for furniture or finishing a home. It's so smooth and easy to learn how to make super accurate cuts with.
I had that Ridgid 12in saw, in fact I went through 2 of them and the vibration while cutting was unacceptable to me. Terrible. I own the Makita 36v 10in miter saw and I absolutely love it. I think I would probably really like this metabo htp saw as well. I haven’t really used the Milwaukee miter saws but I wouldn’t mind having the 7-1/4in slider.
With all these battery tools on the market we all win due to the competition to make things better. One thing I do not see mentioned is how hot do the batteries get when pushed? Heat kills them over time, and you are supposed to wait to charge if they temp out. How hot does the adapter for corded operation get like cooler than the battery?
Mark, we pushed this saw in testing so far beyond what we showed due to time and Jeff and I both looked at each other and said lets switch to corded because this battery has to be almost dead. The battery was cool and it was only down 1 bar. 75% left! The Milwaukee saw would have cut out and we would have had overheating batteries doing half of what we did with this saw. The corded adapter only seems to get hot when left plugged in and no use. The fan will kick on to cool it.
Would you recommend this or the dewalt flexvolt one? I'm just trying to have some more metabo and sort of break out of dewalt but there's a 2 inch difference, however this is much more compact and I can easily put it against the wall.
@@WorkshopAddict test but it's dust collection is not the best. I'd say only 20% of it actually goes into the vacuum while the test piles up near the bevel guage and everywhere else.
Just did the same thing based on this review. These guys are the best. BTW, free adapter for these tools right now through metabo. Click this link: www.rapid-rebates.com/metabo-hpt#/promotion/42232
I have a question for you. The Ryobi 36 volt 10-in miter sliding saw and the saw that you just reviewed. If you were going to buy one yourself, would it be the Ryobi or the metabo?
I am on the fence about this saw I really like the zero clearance and somewhat need it where I have my set up I am looking at the non fuel power but figured the saw is pretty much the same, I have seen a lot of bad reviews about it being horrible and out of square, I know that reviews are not always accurate also is there a big difference between the aluminum and stainless detent plates like I see on other saws, I am new into woodworking and I see the non duel power one is priced the same as the Dewalt DWS 779 12 inch sliding miter saw but it has a massive rear clearance any information fold be greatly appreciated thank you
From my experience 10yrs down the road whether red or the yellow and black batteries goes bad is nothing to worry of,1st of 10yrs is a heap lot of blows us guys put into these things call tools if they could only talk they would say immediately''hey man am done with you for good'',that's your great investment being spent well for that 10 years and is sure hell worth compared to other brands that are cheaper and last 6 months or 1 yr after being annihilated by us
One issue I had-adjusting the laser is difficult-the two adjustment controls are behind the blade guard which needs to been held out of position while you turn the controls.
It's worth removing the guard to set the laser exactly how you want it, then put a dab of hot glue gun so it doesn't move However... On mine, I took the laser out and swapped it with an LED bulb, creating a shadow line. Honestly, if you've got a laser, it shouldn't be shining down over the blade. It should be behind it, so it casts a line where the blade will fall, but a shadow line light goes exactly where the laser is. I probably voided my warranty
I like mine, (not this exact model, mine it corded, but looks the same) but it's taken me forever to get it to cut straight.. Mainly because the fence was not straight.. and when I say not straight, when I out a straight edge on the fence, both sides curve in, so since it's one piece, you can;t do anything about it, so I ended up cutting out the loop in the back to make each side independent of each other.. While I had the two pieces in my hand, I decided to see how flat the machined pieces were.. You guessed it, they had a slight curve in them too. I water sanded the faces on a flat surface and got a little bit bit out and now it's finally cutting pretty straight. The only thing I need to do now is get about a 1/2 degree out of the back where it pivots left and right; because it will cut 90 degree corners, but it has a slight bevel.. Now that I've got most of the issues worked out, I believe it to be a great saw. I just hope the Hitachi quality doesn't go to hell now that someone else bought them. I'm pretty sure Hitachi would have caught the issues before shipping them out
Great video but as others have mentioned, it's not very accurate for precision cuts. I noticed once I started to work on my trim, there was some "play" that would cause the cuts to have a small curve. I know you guys pointed out the adjustments but would you consider doing a video on how to adjust each?
@@garradmiller5025 The two saws are very similar other than the cord option. Both are great. Since I can buy this saw on sale right now from CPO for $250 with the corded adapter, I would go with Metabo HPT. www.cpooutlets.com/metabo-hpt-c3610dram-multivolt-36v-brushless-10-in.-dual-bevel-sliding-miter-saw-with-adapter/mhpnc3610dram.html I like the looks of the Makita better, but who buys a saw for looks. LOL
@@WorkshopAddict I currently have the Makita haven't really used it yet, been using a Bosch glider. I ordered the multivolt from cpo the other day on that deal. Guess I'll find out which I like best
I looked at one in store the other day...I liked it but there was so much play in the mitre locking mechanism which was all plastic components it put me off, maybe it was just that particular display model I was looking at. There was no way you could get accurate, repeatable cuts with the play in the mechanism that I experienced.
@@keithkerchner7968 there is a little hex screw with a lock nut underneath that pivots and holds it together tighten that up so the button still moves when pushed and can return on its own. then its tight no more play. i could have just as well got mine as a put it together yourself kit lol i just got it and it has a manufacture date of 2 2019
@@rolandschoepf8118 you need to pull the pin by the bevel gauge. It looks like a black thumb nut. Pulling it and pushing while beveling is what gives you the bevel detents, and unlocks bevel left.
I don't see the infatuation with the corded adapter unless this is your only tool on this platform or you are on a tight budget. I'm seriously working toward retiring all my extension cords. Cordless thickness planer anyone? Not holding my breath on that one. When I get into any platform, I plan on getting plenty of batteries for the tools. I have the Makita 10in. Went with it because I read about some slop issues with this saw and I'm already in the Makita platform. It was still a difficult choice because the VERY attractive pricing on this Metabo. I have yet to exhaust a set of batteries in a day. It came with 4 5ah packs(2 free battery promotion) and a dual fast charger. It will take 2 dead pact to full charge in 45min. I don't foresee any situation where I will run through a set of batteries in a day, much less 45 min. If the pack are hot, the charge time will be longer. It is actually faster to let them cool down and then charge them as opposed to trying to charge them hot, which is a no-no anyway per the manual. With the intermittent use a miter saw usually sees, I don't see hot battery packs being an issue for me. If there was an A/C adapter for the Makita, I doubt I'd buy it unless it was really cheap. Good luck with that. It'd be a "nice to have" that I'd probably never use. On the slop/flex issue, I haven't tried this saw. I know you can flex any miter saw if you try. Did you guys see any in your testing. One thing I see in just about every miter saw review is the testers never set the plastic throat plates to the blade width. It makes a big difference in cut quality on the bottom side is some cases and keeps cutoffs from falling into the throat, kicking the blade, possibly ruining the cut, and launching the waste piece at a high rate of speed ricocheting in unknown directions. Great demonstration of the power of this saw. You guys consistently do excellent reviews/tests. Keep up the good work gents.
If you buy a "only battery" saw the the mitre saw is useless when the batteries are no longer being produced--a mitre saw with the AC adapter can be used forever-duh
What a ridiculous reply. Forever, huh? Ok, "DUH" master. Prepared to be DUH'd to death. Can you name a major tool battery platform from the last 30 years that no longer has batteries produced for it? No? Duh... I can take old packs and have new cells installed TODAY. Duh... Battery adapters are available RIGHT NOW that allow cross platform compatibility. Duh... I, or anyone who can do basic electrical work, can buy a Metabo adapter and convert it to work with any 36v tool in about 30 min. Duh... And what power tool last "Forever"? An unused one. I would suggest a corded only saw for you. And for cordless, a quality old fashioned wood and back saw miter box. I still have both. I'm ready for apocalypse carpentry. Haha! Don't take me too seriously. But folks don't like being "duh'd". Have a super weekend!
@@mikemorgan5015 I got this saw because of the wall adapter, but a single 36v 4ah battery simply lasts all day long no matter how much it gets used. If the battery were to run out, it takes about 30-45 min to fully charge(on I believe the only 36v charger they sell). I've even run it all day on the 2.5ah battery. This saw just doesn't drain batteries. However, I still bring the adapter with and force myself to use it when convenient, because it will greatly save the lifespan of the batteries, which people don't always think about. If I had their table saw, I'd definitely be using the adapter with it most of the time. On the Milwaukee 8.5", I can easily run through 2-3 12ah batteries in a single day.
@@histguy101 Thank for the information. Good stuff! But in reality, I don't think you are saving your battery as much as you think. Most of these battery cells have a finite life that is usually reached long before the 2 thousand plus or minus(ball park average from what I've seen) charge count comes into play. Sure, folks get lucky, or take meticulous care of their batteries. I am not one of them. I am meticulous about keeping them all fully charged, which I read isn't a good thing, at the end of every job. Supposedly, 20-40% is the sweet spot for long life. Keep them in that range and charge what you think you'll need just before the job and run them back down to 40% for storage. I have a LOT of batteries, and wish they would make a discharger or incorporate a "Storage Charge" feature in chargers. I am also OCD about not charging hot batteries and keeping a fan running on the charger when it's charging. I use the old school slow chargers when time is not an issue. I run Milwaukee 12 and 18 volt and Makita 18v batteries. Anyway, back on track, 2000 charges is a charge EVERY DAY for 5 1/2 years. Sure there is a slow decline over time, but I can't tell if it's just age or charge cylcles or my stupid, OCD fixation with keeping them fully charged. I have had a couple of M18 9ah HD and one 3ah compact M12 batteries crap out at about the 5 year mark. All had 3ah cells from the same year, month, and assembly plant. After complaining about 3 packs failing within days of each other, I posted a complaint to Milwaukee and they sent me new replacements. 8ah HOs to replace the 9s and the same model 3ah compact. Great service, so I can't complain too much. Otherwise, the rest are holding up fine. Knocking on wood....... I do fear they will all start failing in the next year or two, though. Time will tell. Feel free to voice your opinion back at me.
WorkshopAddict it tells me that the engineers of this equipment are not woodworkers and carpenters. And most of these companies make a lot of money on selling you batteries.
The downside is Hikoki Mebato made the UK mains adapter in 240v so you won't see one of these on a site as you need 110v. Most Hikoki Metabo tools are made by Makita. The batteries are similar, tools near identical and even the tool boxes clip and stack to the Malia ones. Hikoki also claim you can register the 4/8ah batteries for the Hi5 warranty, however when you try to register the site asks for a serial number. No batteries have a serial number. Best avoid Hikoki Metabo if you're in the UK.
All Hitachi batteries have a serial number on the bottom. It's hard to read on some, but it's there. It's not on the bottom sticker but part of the plastic mold. If you can't see it, you should be able to feel it with your finger. Hitachi/Hikoki is definitely not made by Makita. The two brands just compete and copy each other because they're the two main power tool brands in Japan, and that's where both brands' tools are designed and engineered. Hitachi and Makita both use the same 3rd party storage system(Tanos). Many other brands also use Tanos, like Metabo, Mafell, Festool, and several others. Just look up "Tanos systainer storage" and you'll see them. Originally they were all identical, but each brand now has slightly altered newer generation versions, but still made by Tanos. I use the Metabox system, Metabo's(German Metabo)3rd gen systainer cases. I believe Hitachi, Makita, etc can clip to them.
Jeff had cancer a while back and when the pandemic hit, he hunkered down. Add that to him breaking up with his girlfriend and having to move in with his parents.... and there is a small disaster. He is moving out into his own home soon and when he is comfortable coming out of hiding, he should be back.
@@WorkshopAddict thanks for the reply, Brian. It sounds like he’s had quite the year. I hope he’s doing well all things considered. I’d like to add - you have a great channel here. Very informative and easy to understand. This is my go to channel when I see a tool I like and want more information on it. Also, the OPE reviews are great - almost got me to buy the Toro 60v snowblower this past winter. Have a great day and keep up the good work!
I do like the AC-DC option for a miter saw. However, I don't care if the saw is perfect in every other way, any saw that doesn't have a shadow line is obsolete in today's world. Shadow lines are dead accurate every time and NEVER need adjustment. Once you use one, you will never want to use a miter saw without one. Lasers are hard to see and need adjusting. I'll pass.
Yea basically the only draw back of this saw is not having a shadow line. They do have the feature on the premium trim 7 1/4 saw. Hopefully they add it to this saw on a second gen. And praying they come out with a 12” and have all the great features of the 7 1/4!
I have this exact same saw, and added a shadow line, removed the laser from the housing, and switched it with the led work light that is already on the saw, the adjustable laser is a right pain to adjust and gave up, now I never have to worry about it
Milwaukee has been overpriced for too long. Their features are lacking, no ac adapter will be a deadly mistake, very basic tools compared to anyone else especially for their price point. They dropped the ball on innovation to sell more batteries, ohhh how they are about to get knocked off their pedestal.
I’m a Makita man, but I will be switching to the Metabo 36volt platform as time goes on. Getting my first Metabo tool this Christmas!!! The 16gauge 18volt nailer!!!! Very excited
I replied earlier but somehow the reply was lost. I fixed the slop in this saw by 3D printing a new part to replace the factory part. The original part is under engineered and I think it shrinks after casting as well. I went through 3 saws (for other reasons) and each one was similar. About 0.5-0.75° slop because of the flex. The 3D printed part fixed all of them but there was a bit of adjustment needed on the new part to fit each saw, and took the slop from zero to 0.1° at the worst. I printed mine in PETG and the file is here: www.tinkercad.com/things/d0BInHyXkmi Before th-cam.com/video/PKw0BJZVw3s/w-d-xo.html After th-cam.com/video/p5ttQi945A8/w-d-xo.html
One other thing. I just noticed that the 3rd saw I got has a slightly different part, Metabo added reinforcing in the center of the critical area where it was hollow in the first saw I got, all the saws I purchased were in Jan/Feb 2022 so it might be old stock or a newly revised change. So Metabo HPT knows this part needs fixing, they just didn't do it right (again). Image of the plunger in the first saw (top) vs the newer reinforced one, but the fix doesn't work, I don't think they accounted for warpage or shrinkage. tonywong.smugmug.com/Metabo-HPT-plunger/i-hHmCkvd/A Both parts had the same amount of play, I could see the unsupported one being weaker if the tolerances were proper, but both of them aren't wide enough anyhow.
@@tonywong9095 Wouldn't a completely solid replacement piece work better? I'm looking for a solution to this also. The detent fits snug, but the rest of the lever is too narrow for the channel it fits in. I know nothing about 3d printing, but my sister is a graphic designer, and owns several. Can I just send her this file and she can fabricate it?
@@histguy101 Yes the piece I printed as a replacement is completely solid. You can control how dense you want to print anything internally but it makes no sense to save an hour or three on a semi hollow replacement when a solid print might only take 25% longer overnight. Your situation exactly described mine, the slop wasn't in the detent but in the channel, you may have to tailer the width of the piece within the channel to keep the plunger from moving side to side as the metal channel is a cast piece and not machined. This files on tinkercad are just the description of the shape, you need a renderer to output a final file that takes into account the thickness of the filament and how you wish to define the specific path of motion of your 3D printer. If your sister has done any 3D printing she should be familiar with what to do with a STL file. If she hasn't used tinkercad, just search youtube for "Export an STL File from TinkerCAD." Good luck.
I have a Rigid non-sliding miter saw that is about 12 years old that I am dying to upgrade. I use DeWalt 20v so the first tool I would look at is the DeWalt 60v, but I have to tell you that I feel that I've been burned by battery-operated tools in the past. I had DeWalt's 18v as well as their 24v tools. I think that the 24v kinda got killed off even though I personally believe DeWalt should have stuck with 24v and not gone to 20v. I also had a Hitachi 18v set that was super difficult to find batts for and even when I did find them they were never up to OEM quality. I'd just be hesitant to buy a cordless tool such as this that is meant to last a long time and have to worry about having to track down batts five to ten years down the road when the manufacturer decides that they no longer want to make that style of battery. So on a $600 (or more) tool is the convenience of a few years with no cords worth the possible sacrifice of the tools useful lifespan?
Hey John, this saw is on sale for $179 with the corded adapter at CPO. The link is somewhere in the comments above. That makes it easy! We even bought another one. With that said, I know what you mean about batteries. It is how they get our money over and over. The Hitachi batteries fit Metabo HPT and I think this brand is working to be a huge player.
Currently on sale for $250 with the corded adapter from CPO: www.cpooutlets.com/metabo-hpt-c3610dram-multivolt-36v-brushless-10-in.-dual-bevel-sliding-miter-saw-with-adapter/mhpnc3610dram.html
WorkshopAddict this is such a great deal, an amazing saw for that price!
That was a killer deal, especially given that the ac adapter is ~$150 by itself. They are gone now, of course, but they do have the saw by itself for $519.
I was particularly intrigued by your review, as I am looking at the corded 10" Metabo to go with my 7-1/4" Ridgid cordless. This would have filled both roles, but not at that price point for a hobbyist like me. At $250, yes, since that is what I'm looking at for the 10" corded unit on clearance at Lowes.
How does it stack up against the makita 10inch 36 volt?
@@pooramerican8846 This saw is better than Milwaukee cordless. Real talk
This saw has been making me money for quite some time
Luv the option to plug it in when it's set up for the day- got two of these for $299-free rebate for more batteries and ac adapter
The other 36V tools recipe, hammer drill and circ saw our outperforming my Milwaukee and makitas in most applications
Always true up your saw. Especially miter... the more moving parts the more often you should expect to
In my opinion HPT’s multivolt line is the one that stands out the most to me, starting with the fact that they kept past and future customers in mind by making the MV batteries backwards compatible with the older 18v which to me is huge (Makita sadly failed to implement this with their newer 36v xgt line) a cpl other big pros being the performance of the tools(very few haven’t lived up to expectations one being the oscillating multi tool imo it wasn’t great but idk if it’s MV actually either) large catalog, many IP56 rated tools, the use of 21700 cells, innovation, reliability, durability, quality well designed tools, ergonomics, customer service & the cord/cordless operation is an invaluable option to this customer & I think that their tools are worth the slightly higher price tag than some of the other colors..
the cons:
they have a large catalog but the big problem I’ve had is not being able to get certain Japanese models they make imported into the USA without voiding the warranty and or over paying for the tool itself, one of the tools being the 36v 6.5” c3605da or the 125mm 3605DB a -15degree flush cut saw and the
Bluetooth compatible batteries aren’t sold here either which is why I’d consider the hassle of needing a tool and having to import it from Japan aspect the biggest problem I have with the company
Thank you for your awesome feedback, as always!
This tool makes sense ac/dc because the adapter is stationary. On other tools the adapter will break when dragged around....happened twice...great channel 👍🇺🇸
We say it every time we get out the AC adapter. Why is the box not wrapped in rubber.... Also why we stayed near the end that the ac adapter would also have to last for the tool to keep working.
This is probably my favorite miter saw out, along with the table saw. Metabo hpt has some killer tools out there.
Man I just got it and I'm having a hard time liking it. First off it was manufactured in 2019 and seems super flexy. Is yours like that?
I’m so glad you guys tested this saw. I tell people about this and the rest of the Multivolt lineup all the time, and they just don’t understand how amazing it really is until they use it themselves. It’s truly a game changer. These batteries, the 4 amp and the 2.5 amp last forever even when the tool is getting a constant hot supper. Never seem to get near as hot as my Milwaukee M18 or my Dewalt 20v batteries. I literally jus filmed a comparison of the Multivolt 1/2 impact being used to rotate my tires on my Xterra. One side with the 4/8 amp and the other side utilizing the AC adapter. Beast mode either way! Awesome review as always gentlemen, and thank you for showcasing the Metabo HPT lineup as much as you have. I own a little bit from all brands in all Volts and sizes, and the Multivolt line is by far my favorite! Hope you all have a happy holidays! 🍻🎄🎄🍻
Happy holidays to you as well
I have been using the industry standard 8" Hitachi for 20 years. 2 months ago I upgraded to this saw and I like it. the laser is a little funky and can be better. another thing is finding attachments like crown stops. im not even sure they exist yet. also the vac plugs right in and does a great job with the dust.
Nice review fellas ...
I picked up the Metabo HPT 10 in single bevel miter saw for $99 last year...
I'm just a DIY guy so I don't use it a whole lot. it's nice to have around... also, I agree that Metabo blade that came with it is actually a good blade...☝️
Metabo HPT FOR THE WIN!
I love my 12" Hitachi corded miter and all my other Hitachi tools, I just can't justify spending money on all the other overpriced brands and paying for there names. When I was driving truck I went to pick up air compressors and the funny thing was it was the same compressor on the belt going thru the factory and the ones that split to the left was going to be labeled dewalt and the ones going right were getting labeled a cheap brand and it was all the same thing
Had a similar experience. One of my first jobs out of high school was a coat packing factory. Most of them were higher end designers for that era (Gloria Vanderbilt, Ralph Lauren, Calvin Klein, etc). One day I was instructed to do tagging and was actually removing designer tags and replacing with Kmart tags. So if it looks walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck.....it's a duck.
Would you recommend this over a DeWalt for a wood shop starter?
I just bought a display at menards for 276 dollars. It came with a plug in wall adapter kit. Talk about a steal.
I was gonna grab one, regret it now
I'm on the market for a 10" saw, how's the accuracy? would you use this for framing or for fine woodworking? i need it for furniture making. How does it compare to the Bosch Glider or the Makita 10" slider?
IMHO, much nicer than the Bosch 10" glider. I do not see that as a super accurate saw. The Makita and Metabo HPT are fairly similar. I do not see this as a framing saw, see it more for finish carpentry. I would use this saw for furniture or finishing a home. It's so smooth and easy to learn how to make super accurate cuts with.
WorkshopAddict
Thank you!
hay you reviewed the ridgid 10" last year
witch did u like M or R
I would choose the Metabo HPT over the Ridgid because of the smooth cut and the ability to be corded or cordless.
I had that Ridgid 12in saw, in fact I went through 2 of them and the vibration while cutting was unacceptable to me. Terrible. I own the Makita 36v 10in miter saw and I absolutely love it. I think I would probably really like this metabo htp saw as well. I haven’t really used the Milwaukee miter saws but I wouldn’t mind having the 7-1/4in slider.
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With all these battery tools on the market we all win due to the competition to make things better. One thing I do not see mentioned is how hot do the batteries get when pushed? Heat kills them over time, and you are supposed to wait to charge if they temp out. How hot does the adapter for corded operation get like cooler than the battery?
Mark, we pushed this saw in testing so far beyond what we showed due to time and Jeff and I both looked at each other and said lets switch to corded because this battery has to be almost dead. The battery was cool and it was only down 1 bar. 75% left! The Milwaukee saw would have cut out and we would have had overheating batteries doing half of what we did with this saw.
The corded adapter only seems to get hot when left plugged in and no use. The fan will kick on to cool it.
Would you recommend this or the dewalt flexvolt one? I'm just trying to have some more metabo and sort of break out of dewalt but there's a 2 inch difference, however this is much more compact and I can easily put it against the wall.
The Flexvolt is an awesome saw!
@@WorkshopAddict test but it's dust collection is not the best. I'd say only 20% of it actually goes into the vacuum while the test piles up near the bevel guage and everywhere else.
How many amps does the ac/dc adapter output?
You guys didnt talk about the dust collection. It seems though that the bad is almost useless.
Great review! Going to pull the trigger on this to replace the similar Milwaukee 10 inch
Just did the same thing based on this review. These guys are the best. BTW, free adapter for these tools right now through metabo. Click this link: www.rapid-rebates.com/metabo-hpt#/promotion/42232
@@alexs8312 thanks man!
I have a question for you. The Ryobi 36 volt 10-in miter sliding saw and the saw that you just reviewed. If you were going to buy one yourself, would it be the Ryobi or the metabo?
Matepo is far better.Its not even a question.
Your reviews are the best !
Thanks Jim
I am on the fence about this saw I really like the zero clearance and somewhat need it where I have my set up I am looking at the non fuel power but figured the saw is pretty much the same, I have seen a lot of bad reviews about it being horrible and out of square, I know that reviews are not always accurate also is there a big difference between the aluminum and stainless detent plates like I see on other saws, I am new into woodworking and I see the non duel power one is priced the same as the Dewalt DWS 779 12 inch sliding miter saw but it has a massive rear clearance any information fold be greatly appreciated thank you
Metabo I like
Especially soft start
Your review excellant
Thanks Jim
From my experience 10yrs down the road whether red or the yellow and black batteries goes bad is nothing to worry of,1st of 10yrs is a heap lot of blows us guys put into these things call tools if they could only talk they would say immediately''hey man am done with you for good'',that's your great investment being spent well for that 10 years and is sure hell worth compared to other brands that are cheaper and last 6 months or 1 yr after being annihilated by us
One issue I had-adjusting the laser is difficult-the two adjustment controls are behind the blade guard which needs to been held out of position while you turn the controls.
It's worth removing the guard to set the laser exactly how you want it, then put a dab of hot glue gun so it doesn't move
However...
On mine, I took the laser out and swapped it with an LED bulb, creating a shadow line. Honestly, if you've got a laser, it shouldn't be shining down over the blade. It should be behind it, so it casts a line where the blade will fall, but a shadow line light goes exactly where the laser is. I probably voided my warranty
@@histguy101 That is two practical ideas,thanks for the input.
How do you lock in the angle that you want?
I’m cutting a 20° angle and I cannot figure out how to lock it at 20°
Just picked it up at lowes for $299 with battery and charger
How how accurate what are the cuts with a combination square
Does matabo offer a sliding stand with extendable range for supporting and cutting long boards ?for the hybrid compound miter saw ?
Yes, they have the kind with four folding legs, on wheels, and the other kind that looks like a dolly, also with wheels, and folds open.
I like mine, (not this exact model, mine it corded, but looks the same) but it's taken me forever to get it to cut straight.. Mainly because the fence was not straight.. and when I say not straight, when I out a straight edge on the fence, both sides curve in, so since it's one piece, you can;t do anything about it, so I ended up cutting out the loop in the back to make each side independent of each other.. While I had the two pieces in my hand, I decided to see how flat the machined pieces were.. You guessed it, they had a slight curve in them too. I water sanded the faces on a flat surface and got a little bit bit out and now it's finally cutting pretty straight. The only thing I need to do now is get about a 1/2 degree out of the back where it pivots left and right; because it will cut 90 degree corners, but it has a slight bevel.. Now that I've got most of the issues worked out, I believe it to be a great saw. I just hope the Hitachi quality doesn't go to hell now that someone else bought them. I'm pretty sure Hitachi would have caught the issues before shipping them out
Where did you obtain it from?
We got this one direct from Metabo HPT and we purchased another one from CPO.
How's the dust management on this miter saw.
Just above average. There are few miter saws that have great dust management.
Great review, lots of good info. Have a Merry Christmas, keep doing what you do !
Merry Christmas to you and your family!
Got mine on close out for 75% off $167. Wish it had the wall adapter. Has battery though.
That dude would look good in my shop.
On sale for $179 with a corded adapter and a tool. Someone posted the link in the comments. We bought another one!
Great video but as others have mentioned, it's not very accurate for precision cuts. I noticed once I started to work on my trim, there was some "play" that would cause the cuts to have a small curve.
I know you guys pointed out the adjustments but would you consider doing a video on how to adjust each?
I hate that. Sometimes I wonder if it's the blade?
Would you choose this or the Makita x2 10" you reviewed.
This because I like the power and corded options.
@@WorkshopAddict thanks, if this didn't have a cord option?
@@garradmiller5025 The two saws are very similar other than the cord option. Both are great. Since I can buy this saw on sale right now from CPO for $250 with the corded adapter, I would go with Metabo HPT. www.cpooutlets.com/metabo-hpt-c3610dram-multivolt-36v-brushless-10-in.-dual-bevel-sliding-miter-saw-with-adapter/mhpnc3610dram.html
I like the looks of the Makita better, but who buys a saw for looks. LOL
@@WorkshopAddict I currently have the Makita haven't really used it yet, been using a Bosch glider. I ordered the multivolt from cpo the other day on that deal. Guess I'll find out which I like best
@@garradmiller5025 I'm looking at these exact 3. Which one do you like best?
Nice video ty guys 👍👍👊
Thanks Jon
I looked at one in store the other day...I liked it but there was so much play in the mitre locking mechanism which was all plastic components it put me off, maybe it was just that particular display model I was looking at. There was no way you could get accurate, repeatable cuts with the play in the mechanism that I experienced.
U can adjust that
How can you adjust for the sloppy miter detents?
@@keithkerchner7968 there is a little hex screw with a lock nut underneath that pivots and holds it together tighten that up so the button still moves when pushed and can return on its own. then its tight no more play. i could have just as well got mine as a put it together yourself kit lol i just got it and it has a manufacture date of 2 2019
Good informative video guys
Great review guys👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
Thank you
Seems like the dust collection on this one isn't very good, especially compared to the milwaukee
I can’t get mine to lean to the left more than 30 degrees. It just won’t go further I have no idea why. Anyone know how to help!
Me too. It happened to me in the middle of a job. I need to figure this out!
@@rolandschoepf8118 you need to pull the pin by the bevel gauge. It looks like a black thumb nut. Pulling it and pushing while beveling is what gives you the bevel detents, and unlocks bevel left.
I'm looking!
I don't see the infatuation with the corded adapter unless this is your only tool on this platform or you are on a tight budget. I'm seriously working toward retiring all my extension cords. Cordless thickness planer anyone? Not holding my breath on that one. When I get into any platform, I plan on getting plenty of batteries for the tools. I have the Makita 10in. Went with it because I read about some slop issues with this saw and I'm already in the Makita platform. It was still a difficult choice because the VERY attractive pricing on this Metabo. I have yet to exhaust a set of batteries in a day. It came with 4 5ah packs(2 free battery promotion) and a dual fast charger. It will take 2 dead pact to full charge in 45min. I don't foresee any situation where I will run through a set of batteries in a day, much less 45 min. If the pack are hot, the charge time will be longer. It is actually faster to let them cool down and then charge them as opposed to trying to charge them hot, which is a no-no anyway per the manual. With the intermittent use a miter saw usually sees, I don't see hot battery packs being an issue for me. If there was an A/C adapter for the Makita, I doubt I'd buy it unless it was really cheap. Good luck with that. It'd be a "nice to have" that I'd probably never use. On the slop/flex issue, I haven't tried this saw. I know you can flex any miter saw if you try. Did you guys see any in your testing. One thing I see in just about every miter saw review is the testers never set the plastic throat plates to the blade width. It makes a big difference in cut quality on the bottom side is some cases and keeps cutoffs from falling into the throat, kicking the blade, possibly ruining the cut, and launching the waste piece at a high rate of speed ricocheting in unknown directions. Great demonstration of the power of this saw. You guys consistently do excellent reviews/tests. Keep up the good work gents.
If you buy a "only battery" saw the the mitre saw is useless when the batteries are no longer being produced--a mitre saw with the AC adapter can be used forever-duh
What a ridiculous reply. Forever, huh? Ok, "DUH" master. Prepared to be DUH'd to death. Can you name a major tool battery platform from the last 30 years that no longer has batteries produced for it? No? Duh... I can take old packs and have new cells installed TODAY. Duh... Battery adapters are available RIGHT NOW that allow cross platform compatibility. Duh... I, or anyone who can do basic electrical work, can buy a Metabo adapter and convert it to work with any 36v tool in about 30 min. Duh... And what power tool last "Forever"? An unused one. I would suggest a corded only saw for you. And for cordless, a quality old fashioned wood and back saw miter box. I still have both. I'm ready for apocalypse carpentry. Haha! Don't take me too seriously. But folks don't like being "duh'd". Have a super weekend!
@@mikemorgan5015 I got this saw because of the wall adapter, but a single 36v 4ah battery simply lasts all day long no matter how much it gets used. If the battery were to run out, it takes about 30-45 min to fully charge(on I believe the only 36v charger they sell). I've even run it all day on the 2.5ah battery. This saw just doesn't drain batteries.
However, I still bring the adapter with and force myself to use it when convenient, because it will greatly save the lifespan of the batteries, which people don't always think about. If I had their table saw, I'd definitely be using the adapter with it most of the time. On the Milwaukee 8.5", I can easily run through 2-3 12ah batteries in a single day.
@@histguy101 Thank for the information. Good stuff! But in reality, I don't think you are saving your battery as much as you think. Most of these battery cells have a finite life that is usually reached long before the 2 thousand plus or minus(ball park average from what I've seen) charge count comes into play. Sure, folks get lucky, or take meticulous care of their batteries. I am not one of them. I am meticulous about keeping them all fully charged, which I read isn't a good thing, at the end of every job. Supposedly, 20-40% is the sweet spot for long life. Keep them in that range and charge what you think you'll need just before the job and run them back down to 40% for storage. I have a LOT of batteries, and wish they would make a discharger or incorporate a "Storage Charge" feature in chargers. I am also OCD about not charging hot batteries and keeping a fan running on the charger when it's charging. I use the old school slow chargers when time is not an issue. I run Milwaukee 12 and 18 volt and Makita 18v batteries. Anyway, back on track, 2000 charges is a charge EVERY DAY for 5 1/2 years. Sure there is a slow decline over time, but I can't tell if it's just age or charge cylcles or my stupid, OCD fixation with keeping them fully charged. I have had a couple of M18 9ah HD and one 3ah compact M12 batteries crap out at about the 5 year mark. All had 3ah cells from the same year, month, and assembly plant. After complaining about 3 packs failing within days of each other, I posted a complaint to Milwaukee and they sent me new replacements. 8ah HOs to replace the 9s and the same model 3ah compact. Great service, so I can't complain too much. Otherwise, the rest are holding up fine. Knocking on wood....... I do fear they will all start failing in the next year or two, though. Time will tell.
Feel free to voice your opinion back at me.
@@histguy101 3 12ah/day! What are you using it for?
Oh well,the perfect sliding miter saw hasn’t been made yet.
What's that tell you?
WorkshopAddict it tells me that the engineers
of this equipment are not woodworkers and carpenters. And most of these companies make a lot of money on selling you batteries.
@@genobutera2237 Yup, and since there has never been a perfect miter saw made yet, there might get not ever be. We gave up on perfect a long time ago.
The downside is Hikoki Mebato made the UK mains adapter in 240v so you won't see one of these on a site as you need 110v.
Most Hikoki Metabo tools are made by Makita. The batteries are similar, tools near identical and even the tool boxes clip and stack to the Malia ones.
Hikoki also claim you can register the 4/8ah batteries for the Hi5 warranty, however when you try to register the site asks for a serial number. No batteries have a serial number.
Best avoid Hikoki Metabo if you're in the UK.
All Hitachi batteries have a serial number on the bottom. It's hard to read on some, but it's there. It's not on the bottom sticker but part of the plastic mold. If you can't see it, you should be able to feel it with your finger.
Hitachi/Hikoki is definitely not made by Makita. The two brands just compete and copy each other because they're the two main power tool brands in Japan, and that's where both brands' tools are designed and engineered.
Hitachi and Makita both use the same 3rd party storage system(Tanos). Many other brands also use Tanos, like Metabo, Mafell, Festool, and several others. Just look up "Tanos systainer storage" and you'll see them. Originally they were all identical, but each brand now has slightly altered newer generation versions, but still made by Tanos. I use the Metabox system, Metabo's(German Metabo)3rd gen systainer cases. I believe Hitachi, Makita, etc can clip to them.
Where’s Jeff at these days? Never see him in any videos anymore.
Jeff had cancer a while back and when the pandemic hit, he hunkered down. Add that to him breaking up with his girlfriend and having to move in with his parents.... and there is a small disaster. He is moving out into his own home soon and when he is comfortable coming out of hiding, he should be back.
@@WorkshopAddict thanks for the reply, Brian. It sounds like he’s had quite the year. I hope he’s doing well all things considered.
I’d like to add - you have a great channel here. Very informative and easy to understand. This is my go to channel when I see a tool I like and want more information on it. Also, the OPE reviews are great - almost got me to buy the Toro 60v snowblower this past winter. Have a great day and keep up the good work!
Festool need to hurry up and make a cordless Kapex 120
Max height baseboard against the fence? Metabo was of no help..
I do like the AC-DC option for a miter saw. However, I don't care if the saw is perfect in every other way, any saw that doesn't have a shadow line is obsolete in today's world. Shadow lines are dead accurate every time and NEVER need adjustment. Once you use one, you will never want to use a miter saw without one. Lasers are hard to see and need adjusting. I'll pass.
We too thought we had the best of both worlds.... A laser for some who must have it and a shadow lime for real work. Just turned out to be a light.
Yea basically the only draw back of this saw is not having a shadow line. They do have the feature on the premium trim 7 1/4 saw. Hopefully they add it to this saw on a second gen. And praying they come out with a 12” and have all the great features of the 7 1/4!
I have this exact same saw, and added a shadow line, removed the laser from the housing, and switched it with the led work light that is already on the saw, the adjustable laser is a right pain to adjust and gave up, now I never have to worry about it
Declan Turner can you do a video on the laser/ light swap?
@@GreddyReaddy how would you like it sent to you?
I have this saw only it's Hitachi 😄😄😄
But i bet it wont cut a 4x4 pressure treated. You know ? Because its thicker
It cuts to 3 15/16s
@@histguy101 l bought it. It does
Go corded and never have to replace batteries. Not to mention your will always have power for tool. My choice AC over DC.power
Milwaukee has been overpriced for too long. Their features are lacking, no ac adapter will be a deadly mistake, very basic tools compared to anyone else especially for their price point. They dropped the ball on innovation to sell more batteries, ohhh how they are about to get knocked off their pedestal.
I’m a Makita man, but I will be switching to the Metabo 36volt platform as time goes on. Getting my first Metabo tool this Christmas!!! The 16gauge 18volt nailer!!!! Very excited
nice video, but i dont buy it. SO far the best one out there is dewalt flexvolt with two battery 120v dc.
20Volt Dewalt is garbage
OOPS!!!!!
I dont like battery powered. To weak too low rpm
nope! i’ll take a cord.
the miter saw just isn’t the type of tool that should have batteries.
Stop explaining like youre explaining to experts. WHAT IS ' DETENTS 'I HA VE NEVER HEARD OF DETENTS. THEREFORE YOU SHOULD KNOW IT IS A RARE TERM.
I replied earlier but somehow the reply was lost. I fixed the slop in this saw by 3D printing a new part to replace the factory part. The original part is under engineered and I think it shrinks after casting as well. I went through 3 saws (for other reasons) and each one was similar. About 0.5-0.75° slop because of the flex. The 3D printed part fixed all of them but there was a bit of adjustment needed on the new part to fit each saw, and took the slop from zero to 0.1° at the worst. I printed mine in PETG and the file is here:
www.tinkercad.com/things/d0BInHyXkmi
Before
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After
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One other thing. I just noticed that the 3rd saw I got has a slightly different part, Metabo added reinforcing in the center of the critical area where it was hollow in the first saw I got, all the saws I purchased were in Jan/Feb 2022 so it might be old stock or a newly revised change. So Metabo HPT knows this part needs fixing, they just didn't do it right (again). Image of the plunger in the first saw (top) vs the newer reinforced one, but the fix doesn't work, I don't think they accounted for warpage or shrinkage.
tonywong.smugmug.com/Metabo-HPT-plunger/i-hHmCkvd/A
Both parts had the same amount of play, I could see the unsupported one being weaker if the tolerances were proper, but both of them aren't wide enough anyhow.
@@tonywong9095 Wouldn't a completely solid replacement piece work better? I'm looking for a solution to this also. The detent fits snug, but the rest of the lever is too narrow for the channel it fits in.
I know nothing about 3d printing, but my sister is a graphic designer, and owns several. Can I just send her this file and she can fabricate it?
@@histguy101 Yes the piece I printed as a replacement is completely solid. You can control how dense you want to print anything internally but it makes no sense to save an hour or three on a semi hollow replacement when a solid print might only take 25% longer overnight.
Your situation exactly described mine, the slop wasn't in the detent but in the channel, you may have to tailer the width of the piece within the channel to keep the plunger from moving side to side as the metal channel is a cast piece and not machined.
This files on tinkercad are just the description of the shape, you need a renderer to output a final file that takes into account the thickness of the filament and how you wish to define the specific path of motion of your 3D printer.
If your sister has done any 3D printing she should be familiar with what to do with a STL file. If she hasn't used tinkercad, just search youtube for "Export an STL File from TinkerCAD."
Good luck.
@@tonywong9095 Thanks. I appreciate it
honestly i just tightened that screw that holds it together and mine is solid now
I have a Rigid non-sliding miter saw that is about 12 years old that I am dying to upgrade. I use DeWalt 20v so the first tool I would look at is the DeWalt 60v, but I have to tell you that I feel that I've been burned by battery-operated tools in the past. I had DeWalt's 18v as well as their 24v tools. I think that the 24v kinda got killed off even though I personally believe DeWalt should have stuck with 24v and not gone to 20v.
I also had a Hitachi 18v set that was super difficult to find batts for and even when I did find them they were never up to OEM quality. I'd just be hesitant to buy a cordless tool such as this that is meant to last a long time and have to worry about having to track down batts five to ten years down the road when the manufacturer decides that they no longer want to make that style of battery.
So on a $600 (or more) tool is the convenience of a few years with no cords worth the possible sacrifice of the tools useful lifespan?
Hey John, this saw is on sale for $179 with the corded adapter at CPO. The link is somewhere in the comments above. That makes it easy! We even bought another one.
With that said, I know what you mean about batteries. It is how they get our money over and over. The Hitachi batteries fit Metabo HPT and I think this brand is working to be a huge player.