Niv Mizzet vs Nekusar vs Queen Marchesa vs Windgrace | S2E1 | cEDH Gameplay | Casually Competitive
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Welcome back to Casually Competitive MTG! We are a group of friends who enjoy playing fast paced semi competitive EDH games. In today’s game we have a matchup between Niv Mizzet, Parun; Nekusar, the Mindrazer; Queen Marchesa; and Lord Windgrace. Feel free to leave any feedback in the comments section below.
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Remember to vote for your favorite commander using the 'i' in the upper right hand of the video. Also, let us know in the comments if you like the theme of powering up some commanders that aren't exactly at the cEDH tier. We plan to build them to be as strong as possible, but with season 2 we wanted to experiment a little with the commander choices, so let us know if this is something you would like to continue to see.
Casually Competitive MTG I don’t see the vote thingy
You may need to refresh the page, I added it shortly after the video went live so the poll might not show up for the first few who clicked on the video
Casually Competitive MTG cool, thanks
This is great, we routinely build lower tier commander decks to be super super strong and I would posit that any deck can be cedh with enough work and thought.
I don't know where to ask this, but I'd really like to see og marchesa on this show. I have a list that's somewhat competitive but you can change some of the cards to suit your meta
3:47 "Dark Confidant" is discarded to "Gamble."
*Pauses video and checks Lord Windgrace's Opening Hand*
Yup, that's how Gamble works.
I was thinking the same but the DC might have been the card he drew naturally. Would be a weird tutor target.
@@Vehrax "Card draw at the cost of life seems like a normal thing in cEDH."
Gamble is secretly just Entomb
The red Entomb
Community: Man I can't wait to see what new and interesting combos and fun cards these players will use! This will be fun!
CEDH players, aggressively T-posing: *T H A S S A ' S O R A C L E*
You know what they say. If it ain’t broken, don’t play it
MISTAKE (DOES NOT AFFECT GAME): As a Gitrog player myself, I noticed a pretty glaring error- T4, Nate could not use the floating black mana from Bone Miser to Terminate Nekusar since every time he was went to discard was actually an entirely new Cleanup Step & the mana empties from his mana pool each time. This didn't really matter, since he had an untapped land that could produce the needed black mana & he never used that land before his next untap step, but it REALLY matters in games involving Gitrog decks, since comboing off using the Cleanup Step as your discard outlet is actually very complicated & tricky due to the mana emptying during each new step
Thanks for teaching me a new thing! :)
If Joseph had activated his Top to draw a card after Jordan's Demonic Consultation had resolved, Jordan would have been forced to draw before Thassa's Oracle's ability resolved and he would have lost the game, unless I'm missing something? (end of the second game)
I think you're actually right.
Yeah, this would have been the best play.
This is a big brain play
This just blew my mind!
If Jordan had some sort of Removal he could have killed his Notion Thief in response, so he doesn’t draw the card. But yeah, activating Top was the play.
Love seeing commanders on this power level. I hope to one day see Alesha on here, Mardu for life!
NEKUSAR LETS GO! I love him, personally I play him with a curiosity package and its so good.
Same! i want to eventually get a consencrated sphinx but that thing is expinsive.
I actually use him with Helm of the Ghastlord and Elder Mastery. BRUTALITY! xD
@@lehandroz holy crap how did I not think of that?! Well I know the next card going in the deck. Only one problem. That's a lot of mana
I see, give it and take it NICE.
If we are at it hope that you guys know about " *Sigil of sleep* " that small card is 🤯
@@mrmannimaker8509 nice! I've seen that one and I keep forgetting about it. I'm trying to figure out what to cut to put that in. Have you heard of a little card called Phyresis?
I'm happy to see any commander that's not a combination of partners chosen to allow for the usual dull CEDH decks that we see a thousand times on YT. Good on you for trying something new, I love it :)
Game one was enjoyable but not surprising Joseph played 10 counterspell and the game was won with Thassa's Oracle.
Sees new game: *starts to clicks on post*
Sees Nekusar and Niv in title: *CLICKS RAPIDLY*
im a fan of card draw if you couldnt tell
Windgrace draws cards too
@@jordansullivan5428 true but if you slap a curiosity or a helm of the ghast lord on on of these bad boys and you have yourself 6 or 12 cards a turn rotation and a straight up win with niv.
I dont blame you, those two are like, two of my favorite legendary creatures
A friend if mine has a nekusar deck, I have a niv deck, every time we play together it's a race to see whether I draw curiosity before he kills me. these decks fuel each other into a beautiful wheel rube goldberg device
Just don't play Vilis against Nekusar.
Different commanders are cool and all but if every game ends with Thassa's Oracle it doesn't really matter much does it?
To us, the interesting part of playing these game is how someone gets to the win, not how they win specifically.
@@CasuallyCompetitiveMTG It's a little boring for the viewers to see Thassa + Consultation every game...
@@CeilingNinja can't agree more
@@CasuallyCompetitiveMTG ILets see if i can predict a deck in the next video, it has blue and black the commander probably wont be relevant and will feature counterspells , removel and win with thassa's oracle + consultation. Now to wait and see.
@@hellvast1 Wow you are right !
I don't usually like these style gameplay videos but you guys make them very easy to follow and I'm totally hooked on these now. :) Keep up the good work! I especially like how you break down what's happening on the stack so well.
That Nekusar turn at the end of game 1 was
absolute fire 🔥
That Underworld Breach into Burning Inquiry. I choked on my beverage there. Hilarious outcome. Love the fact that Nekusar gets pitted up against a t2 Bone Miser!
Seat positions mattered in this episode. Windgrace being seated before a heavy control player and after the Nekusar deck (light control) meant that deck was going to take a lot more hate than if Windgrace was seated in Marchesa's spot.
I think it might be interesting doing a "reseat" on an episode or season, with the same decks but in a different order to see the impact.
15:00
Doesnt Adam get an assassin token here?
He does. Missed the trigger. Not sure it would have mattered but without blockers he would take monarch from Joseph.
Honestly love the video. I’m a massive fan of Lord Windgrace and he is my strongest commander but I need to put that draw win-con in the deck. Currently, my main combo win con is using Purphoros, God of the Forge to wipe the table using landfall creature token generators like Avenger of Zendikar or Worm Harvest (the main ones). Continue the awesome vids as although i don’t play CEDH, I learn so much from you.
These set of commanders were super fun and interesting! Hope you guys continue with this new direction, I especially loved seeing all the nekusar plays. I've only ever seen janky group huggish nekusar so seeing how a more tuned and competitive version would look was very cool.
I like seeing the sub-optimal commanders being maxed out on their potential. It shakes things up and means it's not always the same commanders every game. Keep up the good work!
Queen Marchesa!! my first ever commander, and still my favorite. Long may she reign!
Can I ask why? She seems really cool but I don’t really see how she is really powerful especially for a mythic
@@rileyney1431 She's not especially powerful, she just especially resonates with me. I picked her as my first commander for 3 reasons:
1. We share the same name (my name Marc was named after my italian family the Marchese's, thus the 'c')
2. She is the best Magic character, hands down. Read up on how she became queen, and also other characters' reactions to her becoming queen. She is sly, elegant, deadly, but also generous, even to her enemies.
3. she introduces IMO the funnest mechanic Monarch to the game. I have a severly disproportionate amount of 'combat manipulation' commanders (incl. Marisi, Thantis, Pramikon) because combat manipulation is the funnest thing that i can do in magic. Keeps those particular decks at a lower powerlevel, especially now, but i still play them every chance i get. I have a tryhard cEdh deck too (Kenrith/Najeela), but sometimes it's just fun to swing, or manipulate other ppl into swinging.
@@mmissing3 yeah when I wrote this comment I was thinking how this might be a really fun causal deck. I looked it up on Edhrec and it’s starting to grow on me. 😅
@@rileyney1431 yeah she can be built in SO many different ways. i've built her:
-pillowfort, you can't get the monarch
-tokens matter, go ahead and take the monarch so i can get my token (and take it back)
-planeswalkers: you have to choose between getting monarch or hurting my 'walkers
-deathtouch tribal
-legendary tribal
-indestructable tribal
-aikido (tappedout.net/mtg-decks/queen-marchesa-politics-aikido-and-control/)
-and i currently have her on an equipment/aikido hybrid.
i feel like there is no limit to the ways you can build her, but most are definitely casual, for sure.
@@mmissing3 yeah I saw how many dope monarch related cards in mardu were made in commander legends, especially the court cycle.
My comment on the last S1 episode was relevant! And this was a great game! Thank you guys for being great
Niv-Mizzet is super interesting to watch. I personally love watching decks built around him
Nekusar!!!! One of my first commanders so I'll always have a soft spot for him. I've been meaning to resurrect that deck, not for cEDH but as a lower-powered but still formidable deck to play for a change of pace. Good stuff!
I’ll definitely enjoy a continued variety of commanders as you continue this season.
LOVE this new direction!!! Really seems like you're finding your niche 😁
I’m not sure if it is just the voiceover or if the game played out that way but, burning inquiry has to fully resolve including discard before the triggers from drawing cards get put onto the stack
Nekusar is one of my favorite commanders. Glad to see him in action!
absolutely love this game and the decks! I have been considering making decks out of all these commanders in the near future!
Go Niv-Mizzet! He’s my boy, and I love him! So glad to see him being piloted on the show.
He is such an insane value engine
Right? I think that if his cmc was even a little more forgiving like firemind, he'd be top-tier. But it's so hard to use ramp to get to his insane cost since you can't use the good rocks like mana crypt, sol ring, mana vault, or grim monolith to help cast him.
Robert Bauerle precisely, he’s not top-tier, but he’s super fun to play.
I appreciate highlighting lesser used commanders. Just because they're not the most optimal doesn't mean they're bad or unusable. They have their own quirks and advantages.
Also Thassa's Oracle is dumb and I hate it lol
Adam forgot to hire an assassin during his upkeep when he wasnt the monarch
We were having some budget cuts that turn, couldn't afford him lol
So stoked and loved the outcome. I play 3 of these decks and love to wheel!
Woooow the first game was veeeeery entertaining to watch. All the different interactions between the discard mechanics from Wingrace/Gitrog, the draw effects from Niv Mizzet and Nekusar with the combined draw/discard/wheel effects were very interesting to see! It would the great, if you would do a rematch with a mill commander like Phenax or Jelvala instead of Marchesa. That would take the game in such funny directions! Thumbs up guys!
I like your point on showcasing how "unoptimal" decks can still be powerful. Stuff like Tasigur and Rashmi can still do work even though they're inferior to the partner decks versions
All for the variations in the command zone. Can’t wait for the next match up.
I like this this feels more real to me as my play group tends to like to play more Niche generals in the most common most competitive General
Hey correct me if I'm wrong, but the mana floating in Nate's pool at 9:00 should have emptied, as per the rule 514.3a: "At this point, the game checks to see if any state-based actions would be performed and/or any triggered abilities are waiting to be put onto the stack (including those that trigger “at the beginning of the next cleanup step”). If so, those state-based actions are performed, then those triggered abilities are put on the stack, then the active player gets priority. Players may cast spells and activate abilities. Once the stack is empty and all players pass in succession, another cleanup step begins." Because it's a new step, mana would empty of of his pool and Nate couldn't have cast that Terminate with the floating black.
It was fun watching that niv-mizzet pop off while it lasted. Its a shame he was never able to get off his near-infinite combo. I recently built a budget niv deck myself, love the commander.
Last game, you forgot to exile the spell (rolling earthquake) that was countered with Force of negation.
I noticed it because i tend to forget it myself 😅.
Nice games btw👍
excited! liked this game's decks lineup
Oh wow. Oracle for the win. How spicy. Hurray.
Loving Adam's play mat, anyone know where to find one?
My husband got his off amazon a while back. I'd link if it I could.
That Nekusar win was insane!
Thanks for the spoiler
So during the whole discard a Nate endstep shenanigans with bone misery and gitrog mana empty’s from pools each time you discard since it’s a new phase correct?
15:09 no assassin from marchesa?
Yeah I forgot that was a part of the card. A bit sad now that i noticed it. Dont get many chances to make little assassin tokens
It's because you didn't address her properly. If you don't say, "Long may she reign" you get no assassins.
19:33 Shouldn't whispering madness draw 45 cards? 15 for whispering madness, 30 from notion thief? what am i missing?
Could anyone tell me the name of the background music used in this video? I assume it's royalty-free, which is why it's not showing up in the video description...
That is some disgusting interaction with Bone Miser and the cleanup step. *I love it.*
Loved seeing Nekusar. Hoping to see more games with him. Everyone says he sucks but I love seeing him show people wrong.
I used to run a wheel/storm deck that would make some people rage. They would feel all confident moving the wheel damage pieces, blowing up my mana rocks and than BOOM... Tendrils of agony.
In the second game, did Nate not activate Lord Windgrace the turn he came out? Nothing was mentioned. Similarly, on the same turn cycle, did Adam miss the Flayer of the Hatebound etb trigger?
Nate didn't activate it because he didn't need to negative it and he didn't want Jordan to draw cards. He just wanted to cast it for future plays. And correct me if I'm wrong, but the way we understand it is that Flayer needs to EtB from the graveyard as well for the damage to go off.
He didnt activate windgrace because of the notion thief, and flayer only triggers when it or another creature etb from the graveyard.
Whoops! Yeah you're both right. Totally missed the wording on Flayer, and considering the board state, not activating makes sense.
I guess there could be a mistake in stacking the triggers in the Order active player -> nonactive players at the Burning Inquiry at 11:25 - First Niv Mizzet Triggers Putting it on top of the stack (that was right) then after that resolves, burning inquiry resolves fully (and that means each player draws three, then discards three), then there are a lot of triggers that are put on the stack in the order active player to nonactive player. So first the nine Nekusar (three to each) damage trigger go on the stack, then the card draw triggers from bone miser, then the niv mizzet damage ping triggers. When Niv mizzets damage ping resloves, Nekusar is dead and he cant trigger when Nate draws the cards from the Bone Miser.
I dont think those 3 life would've made the difference, but yes, that was the most confusing burning Inquiry maybe ever.
I thought the niv-mizzet triggers go on the stack first, since the draw portion happens first.
Also they already missed 3 dmg from the first burning inquiry and like 20 niv-mizzet pings over the course of the game.
@@keep7smiling You can't put triggers on a stack while resolving a spell. You have to put them on the stack as soon as a player would get priority (i.e. after resolving burning inquiry). Then each player, in order, beginning with the active player puts their triggers on the stack and then you resolve the stack as usual...
Not sure if you'll see this, but I had a question regarding The Lord Windgrace deck. You mentioned that Nate could win with the Mana made off of Bone Miser, but I am not exactly seeing how. I'm seeing a few things, but not necessarily a what I would normally see as a table killer, I guess (Kind of the whole point of these lower power decks). Ob Nixilis, the Fallen and Splendid Reclamation paired with Squandered Resources to get ~30 triggers off of Ob's Landfall trigger, there's also Field which pairs well with Splendid and Squandered to make extra zombies and have haste from Anger.
Are these what the win cons are or am I missing something?
That is the main way he wins off of the Mana. It isn't infinite but if everything resolves it's usually enough damage
Great games! They reminded me that I forgot Waste Not in my wheel deck. Dang.
I love monarch as a passive effect
I love nekusar glad to see him around
Gitrog Monsters triggered ability is only one card for each instance of whatever triggers him so for example if you pitch two lands to bunting inquiry you only draw one card from the spell.
I would love to see an Ayli deck. I wanna know how strong she can be.
I cant understand the name of the commander when he says “nekusar is by far inferior to..” Can anybody tell me what he is trying to say?
He's saying Opus Thief, which is the name of the cedh wheel archetype that the Nekusar deck is based on. The commanders for that 4 colour deck are the partners Tymna and Kraum.
At 14:58 didn't they miss a Queen Marchesa trigger?
...Long may She reign.
I'm just here for the Nekusar!
Love your videos
Thanks!
Do I see it correctly that Joseph forgot his Baral counter triggers at 17:00?
My favorite is Niv-Mizzet Parun. A fun powerhouse of a commander.
9:20 Nate uses floating mana that I'm pretty sure should have been fizzled out. It doesn't affect the board much because he could have tapped his Overgrown Tomb and Blighted Woodland to pay for the rest of the Terminate. 514.3a as far as I'm aware in between each discard it's treated as a new phase which mana fizzles through, that's why the endstep loop for Gitrog requires all the cards in hand and not just to loop dark ritual during cleanup kill.
Nekusar spanking the rhystic and the mystic!
Doesn't Niv ping for EVERY card drawn? So why didn't he hit for 7 when the wheel happened? Or whenever Baral looted? Also, doesn't Marchesa make an assassin on Upkeep when you aren't the Monarch? It probably doesn't matter, but I feel like there were a lot of missed triggers this game.
Not sure about Baral but on the wheel he deals 2 to Kess than the other 5 goes to the face.
I did miss making a little assassin dude in the first game. My first time playing this marchesa so I forgot that part of her textbox
@@chasecasias9324 Ah thanks. I think Baral looted a few times and a couple of points of damage missed.
@@Sliver_Boi I doubt it mattered that much since Niv would just kill it but yeah.
I love the videos! Would love to see my boy Tasigur
Can anyone give me a link to the original image of Adam's playmatt? I really dig it.
How does the Niv deck prevent from decking while going off? You can't always guarantee that youll have more cards in library than the opponents have life.
You can stop drawing by dealing a damage to Niv himself, and the damage backups are a Winds of Change to re-draw your hand or something that does damage when discarding
@@CasuallyCompetitiveMTG That makes a lot of sense, thank you! Love the content.
I play Niv and it's always a risk, the best thing I've got for that is Echo of Aeons. On the other hand I play 3HG, so I just have to kill "one opponent" who starts with 70 life but loses life with pain lands and maybe one combat.
Locust God is my pride and joy, would love to see him in a buffed up power level than would I can do.
I would love a cedh golos build around the activated ability
my version uses extra turns and land untaps for additional activations and some big beaters (eldrazi) to finish the game, but i would love to see what you come up with
The first game was a lot more interesting than the second honestly. Equal back and forth is what generally makes magic fun to play *or* to watch. I think the general issue you guys have been having when you do a 'Hey let's pull back on the power level a little bit so we can see different decks and games' sort of match is that generally, not everyone pulls back the same amount. Here the Nekusaur deck is clearly a step above the table, with Windgrace and Niv being in the middle and Marchesa just having a hard time. Windgrace and Niv are powerful decks with strong strategies and synergies, but the difference between the first and second game was how many times Nekusar's deck got piled on with answers; it was enough to draw the game out but even from a dominant position Niv couldn't stop Nekusar from pulling a win out after just one really draining turn going back and forth with Marchesa with spells. The second game Nekusaur just got going and didn't get meaningfully knee-capped and just ran away with it.
This was honestly still a much better try at the 'lets do something a little different' than the 'Tribal where not everyone was really playing Tribal' match from before. The Tyma/Thrasios was way further above that table than Nekusar was above this one. I just think when you do these you should talk more among yourselves about what you're thinking about bringing power level wise and you can probably get your next one of these pods even tighter in power level across decks, which will only lead to games that are more fun to play and watch and leads to more games where really clutch plays and skill at magic matter a little bit more and who was able to steam roll to their 2-card combo will matter a little less.
Also, who knew you could take Nekusaur: an already linear, repetitive and boring commander/deck and make it even more so by just added Oracle/Consultation/Pact to it?
So what percentage of games for you all end with a lab-man effect in actuality? I'm curious to get a feel of that, data wise.
Haven't done any analytics, but at this point I'm shocked the rare time I see a cEDH game that DOESN'T end that way.
Nekusar is just an awesome Commander. It's the first Deck I ever build for Commander :D
I have pretty much the same exact deck as Jordan's Nekusar, but I use a (proxy) Gwendlyn Di Corci, and instead of all his counterspells I have a ton of Bloodchief Ascension-like effects (Liliana's Caress and Migrain) to try and win through wheel damage in case the combo fails.
His first game is my wet dream!
An addition to be considered is Geth's Grimoire. It's a bit slow being a 4-drop, but it more than doubles every draw you get in this deck, given everytime someone discards a card, you'll be getting a draw from that.
Wheel of Furtune? Discard your hand, draw 7+all the cards on other players' hands.
I hope we get more non-oracle wins, kinda sick of that fish already.
But i love the idea of different commanders! Thank you!
What a day to see Nekusar, is there any chance to see old jhoira?
16:35 freaking ridiculous 😂
finally!! some different decks!
I don't know how much control you have about ads but I got a 4 minutes ad that could not be interrupted
That Windgrace build seemed off. The field of the dead/fetchlands/craterhoof behemoth build isn't a more viable one?
Nekusar is an awesome commander, fun for everyone
Does it ever get boring playing decks that are half counter spells all the time? Genuinely curious; it bores me but I’m only one person lol
I just got nekusar! I plan on putting niz-mizzet in it so i do damage when i draw so twice as much damage and then just make everyone cast and copy each player draw half their libraries. I win!
Game 1 niv would be like "pew pew pew die!"
11:53 am I wrong or at this point Nekuzar is not on the battlefield anymore? Nate shouldn't have lost the 3 lives due to Gitrog's/Miser's draw triggers.
Both games for zombies..very good games all..keep up the good work
I'd like to see a Tasigur list. So versatile a commander
We're planning on powering up the commander choice for season 3 so I would not be surprised if Tasigur made it on the list
Constructive criticism: Queen Marchesa forgot to put an Assassin into play (around the 15 min mark), and Baral could've looted in the counterspell war (16-17 min mark).
These are good commander choices👌
I voted for niv
But I want to see all these commanders again !
Good variety!
Were you tired at the time of recording the video? I don't know if it's my idea, but I noticed your voice a little tired. I hope you are well!
Usually the audio takes a few takes and the amount of triggers that I had to try to keep track of probably made things come across a bit more monotone. I had to read from my notes MUCH more than usual. This episode definitely was one of the longer recording sessions for audio
@@CasuallyCompetitiveMTG Yup, definitely the amount of triggers was huuuuge. It must have been pretty hard to do, but the video was purely awesome!
Here I go building Gitrog again!
I'd like to see Teysa Orzhov Scion at this power level. She is mostly the posterchild for that color combo but i rarely see a decent list for her that isn't horribly casual.
Oh my god i LOVE Niv-Mizzet my fav commander, just have to build around that restrictive mana cost then go off.
My build uses a few cards or enchantements that like créatures being targeted to steal them or make them be sacrificed, à long with a lot of copy effects to draw à whole heap of cards
So uh...that six card stack was kinda crazy. I want a stack like that
Id love to see a good competitive Karn, Silver Golem mono brown deck
Guys, really enjoy the content. Positive criticism (I hope) - Joseph, any chance you can try tone down the "that being said"? I feel like you say it every sentence.
shouldn't the marchesa have generated a token game one? Could have gotten the monarch back, unsure if it mattered...
also, awesome game guys. really appreciate your content! Definitely keep it up with these kind of commanders