Thanks for the video(s), man. Very informative. Really looking forward to your suspension video. I just got mine assembled a few hours ago, haven't even unlocked it yet but took it for a test spin. :) I struggled with the front axle for a few mins because depending on your setup it can kind of be a handful for one person if you have to lift the bike at all. I ended up getting my bike stand out instead of using the included cardboard and got it on pretty easily, though. It kinda made me wish I had done an unboxing/assembly video as I think it would be helpful for people who've never messed with having to partially assemble bikes. There are just little tips and tricks you learn along the way like choosing to re-route certain cables, the easiest way to get the wheel on, etc. Funny moment from earlier - in all my excitement I forgot that the display readout is in km/h by default and after I got up to around 44-46 in Sport mode I thought "Man, this isn't any faster than my 2022 Sting!" 😆 Definitely did not feel like an 8KW bike, lol. I had tried the button sequence unlock that worked on my first Sting and it obviously doesn't work on the R (or at least mine), so looks like I will be cutting the wire tomorrow. I just read it's a night and day difference from someone who left a review over at Luna. Can't wait!
Thanks! So happy to hear that. Thanks for confirming the sequence no longer works on the R. I can tell people to stop trying that now and just cut the brown wire. And let me tell ya… it is NIGHT and DAY! Enjoy !!! ⚡️😎
It is night and day different. The restricted sport mode is same as the unrestricted eco mode. Also you can just lay the bike on it's side on top of the cardboard box to put on the front wheel. I was too lazy to get my bike stand out.
@@DaBinChe Great tip, didn't even think of that...I'm too used to ICE engines where flipping the bike around can spill stuff LOL. See, you need to make a video for n00bs! :D
I got my bike 3 days after your unboxing so having you actively uploading videos on the sting is fantastic. Every few days I'm learning about something, or you suggest an upgrade relevant to my current setup. Plus you answered 3 of my questions in the comments.
Yo Brotatorchip! Thanks for the Mind Juice! I let it sink in and decided to order that chain before Ill even receive my w4 Talaria. I just ordered one Today! well on 4/20 at 12:04
Great video bro, glad you are teaching people like me who dont know how to do everything, I cant afford one right now but i really hope to be able to get one soon
appreciate that! if you can make it happen, Id definitely say do it! and if you ever have a question just ask me in the comments, I try to get back to everyone. Thanks again!
By my quick math, comparing the relative drag forces of the two GPS speeds (51 vs 54 mph), swapping the chain allowed 12% more force/power to get to the wheels. I'm curious if this increased efficiency would be reflected in a range test. I would imagine you wouldn't get much increased range at max speed, like what Luna recently did on pavement, but I wonder if this chain swap would increase range by 10% or so on a trail ride where the average speed isn't much different between chains.
Dang. Thanks for doing that math! And that’s an excellent point. I was just concerned with speed, but I’m sure the higher efficiency helps with the range as well!
@@freerfixedit Yeah, lots of assumptions built into my analysis, so I wouldn't put a lot of weight into the number itself, but less drag in the chain should mean more range, less heat in the motor, etc.
I'll replace my chain with a roller chain when it needs one but I'll hold off for now. My bike indicated 56 on flat ground at 68% battery and I'm 215 lbs, I really think I could have gotten 57 indicated because I was running out of room, I'm guessing it'll actually run the stated 52mph as advertised which I'm pleased with. I'll probably go up some teeth on the rear for better low end but I'm VERY impressed with it bone stock! Thanks for a great vid!!
you and me both! this bike out of the box is great! I mentioned the gear ratio settings in the display, but ive been informed that those are for calibrating the speedo on the display... they dont change the power delivery at all... the bike says ive been 56 top speed before I did the chain, but I tend to trust the GPS speedo a little bit more...
I bought this bike for tight canyon trails. Mostly at night due to not passing people off. And I mostly ride in eco. I got 56mph yesterday and I have the oring chain on.
Benefits at the top end, but you gotta imagine that there are incriments benifits to overall torque and also battery life from freeing up the drivetrain. Just makes sense to me.
I agree. I hadn’t even considered that cause all I was concerned with was top speed, but it just makes sense to think that less resistance on the motor has to be more efficient = more range. At least slightly
I’m torn between a supermoto set and a 16/19 dirt wheel setup. I want both, but don’t have the money right now. Slowly but surely this thing is getting modded out… just gotta watch my spending for a little bit 😁
My MX3 currently has a 40t rear sprocket and a non O-ring chain. Gained 2mph from 47 to 49. Less then I planned on but it's still pretty snappy though. Gearing seems to affect E-motos differently than gas motos in my experience.
I have no experience with hot wax, but I don’t see why that wouldn’t be a good option. The one I linked came pretty well greased, and I haven’t added anything since I installed it.
From the time I’ve spent building bikes, the oring chains effect is negligible once the chain has heated up. Plus the oring chain will last SOOO much long and makes the sprockets last longer.
Yeah they might last longer, but chains and sprockets are consumables on a bike, and it's one of if not thee most cost efficient ways to improve your bike, and back to the consumables, I know when I rode dirt a lot, and even on most of my sport bikes, I either used aluminum sprockets, smaller pitched if I could, and no o-ring chains(usually not), and on my big sport bikes, like my Blackbird, I'd run hybrid sprockets, aluminum centers with steel teeth, Supersprox specifically, for less rotational mass.
it is a little bit louder as far as chain noise goes, other people hear it more so than you do while riding the bike though... I do think it makes the bike more efficient, but not as far as power, But I think it should slightly increase range. less resistance on the motor has to equal better performance... right?
Going in a straight line, no. They buzz and they are loud, but really the only time I’d like road tires is to be more confident leaning over on higher speed corners
any ebike that has an o-ring chain will benefit from a non o-ring chain. its more upkeep, and louder, but it will increase top speed and range slightly...hope this helps!
Since you won’t be using the OEM chain, why not try boiling the chain in a pot so that the oil releases from the chain and then add line to see if it loosens the stock chain links better.
The connectors are nice. Woulda felt bad cutting more wires on a brand new bike. I think the regen was on level 4 in this video. But it only affects when you let off the throttle. It almost feels like engine braking on a 4 stroke
you will, the stink bug stance had me a little timid, but once you get it farther back than feels comfortable, you realize thats where the balance point is. give me a couple more weeks ill be 12 oclocking this thing... def not a bike limitation, just a rider limitation on the wheelies at this point...
wasnt planning on it, but if there is enough interest in it, ill try to find a straight strip of road that I can do a long distance, no stop, range test like the talaria boys did on the older mx3 stings...
Hi man I heard you say in the video that if you changed to a different sprocet it would go 60mph what sprocet are you talking about possibly leave a link😊
so smaller rear sprocket will increase speed but reduce torque, a larger rear sprocket will reduce speed but increase torque. Im not sure what the smallest size rear sprocket available is, but you could probly search some videos and find people that have played around with the gearing... hope this helps!
@@SweatBoyo yeah, I don’t think this actually adds much speed, but it’s definitely easier on the motor and gets you up to speed faster, and slightly better range cause of the lesser resistance
I just ordered the sting. Never rode a dirtbike in my life. Is it going to be to much for a newbie? I'm older then Jesus so responsibility isn't the issue I'm concerned about the torque.
Ride it for a bit before you cut the brown wire to unlock the full power. It being electric, it’s instant torque. Just need to have throttle control and not be too aggressive with it
Race bikes not running o ring chains has nothing to do with robbing horsepower. It has everything to do with cost and longevity. Cheap and can it last the race or maybe a couple of races? That's what you get. O-ring chains are like 20 or 30% more expensive.
Chains out last sprockets any day. I’ve never worn a chain out on a motocross bike, I just replace them every time I do sprockets cause that’s what they call for…
I don't ride electric, hell, I don't ride anything anymore due to a neck injury which causes migraines (helmets weight will exacerbate), but I've ridden my entire life, from 4yrs old with minibikes and my dope ass Yamaha DT50 I bought myself when I was 11, my CR250R I bought when I was 14, my 500cc stroked Banshee, ATC250R, ATX200X, countless other old 2 stroke enduros and street bikes, dirt bikes, CR125M and 250M Elsinore's, Odyssey and a Pilot, Suzuki GSX-R 1000's, Quadzilla LT500R, 1972 Kawasaki H2 IV 750 triple, tons of bikes, quads, trikes, a bunch of CB750's...but after my injury at 38, I had to let go of my three last bikes, my baby, my CBR1100XX Super Blackbird that I spent thousands on rare Japanese performance and upgrade parts on, and my similarly kitted out 75 CB750K5 and my 79 CB750F, both had a ton of work, ond had a full Yoshi(the CBR had a full titanium TSR), the 79 had a Moriwaki exhaust, all three were running Keihin FCR's, they all had big bore kits (1195cc and 836cc's)....oh yeah, rambling lol.... anyway, everyone knows a good, non o-ring chain(I'm an EK guy) and especially, a drop in thickness (530 to 520 pitch ) will give you a good boost, something you definitely won't feel on a larger bike, but you definitely end up putting down more power to the ground.. and of course, you should be buying a chain and sprockets together, it's your cheapest and most efficient way to change the behavior of your bike. I've been looking at these electric bikes, don't think I'll get one, might see if I can get another CB though and just put around and forego that helmet..... I need to ride again 😅 maybe a smaller capacity CB or CL Scrambler, just something small and upright...ehhh
amzn.to/3oq9uth link to the 106L
I just ordered one
Any idea if you need to go a diff number of links if going with a bigger rear sprocket? Thinking of getting a 52/54
@@johnwilkes8847 yeah…there’s a chart online somewhere that tells you the chain size for the sprocket
@@johnwilkes8847 www.urbanmotoparts.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/Sprocket-GuideTAL.jpg
Thanks for the video(s), man. Very informative. Really looking forward to your suspension video. I just got mine assembled a few hours ago, haven't even unlocked it yet but took it for a test spin. :) I struggled with the front axle for a few mins because depending on your setup it can kind of be a handful for one person if you have to lift the bike at all. I ended up getting my bike stand out instead of using the included cardboard and got it on pretty easily, though. It kinda made me wish I had done an unboxing/assembly video as I think it would be helpful for people who've never messed with having to partially assemble bikes. There are just little tips and tricks you learn along the way like choosing to re-route certain cables, the easiest way to get the wheel on, etc. Funny moment from earlier - in all my excitement I forgot that the display readout is in km/h by default and after I got up to around 44-46 in Sport mode I thought "Man, this isn't any faster than my 2022 Sting!" 😆 Definitely did not feel like an 8KW bike, lol. I had tried the button sequence unlock that worked on my first Sting and it obviously doesn't work on the R (or at least mine), so looks like I will be cutting the wire tomorrow. I just read it's a night and day difference from someone who left a review over at Luna. Can't wait!
Thanks! So happy to hear that. Thanks for confirming the sequence no longer works on the R. I can tell people to stop trying that now and just cut the brown wire. And let me tell ya… it is NIGHT and DAY! Enjoy !!! ⚡️😎
It is night and day different. The restricted sport mode is same as the unrestricted eco mode. Also you can just lay the bike on it's side on top of the cardboard box to put on the front wheel. I was too lazy to get my bike stand out.
@@DaBinChe Great tip, didn't even think of that...I'm too used to ICE engines where flipping the bike around can spill stuff LOL. See, you need to make a video for n00bs! :D
I got my bike 3 days after your unboxing so having you actively uploading videos on the sting is fantastic. Every few days I'm learning about something, or you suggest an upgrade relevant to my current setup. Plus you answered 3 of my questions in the comments.
Love to hear that! Glad I can help! New Video dropping today at 4:20pm EST 😎 I think you’re going to want to do this one! Tune in
I like the 25 MPH speed limit sign, right before you punch it!
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Yo Brotatorchip! Thanks for the Mind Juice! I let it sink in and decided to order that chain before Ill even receive my w4 Talaria. I just ordered one Today! well on 4/20 at 12:04
Awesome! You’re gonna love it! Let me know if the chain helps your top speed as well!
Great video bro, glad you are teaching people like me who dont know how to do everything, I cant afford one right now but i really hope to be able to get one soon
appreciate that! if you can make it happen, Id definitely say do it! and if you ever have a question just ask me in the comments, I try to get back to everyone. Thanks again!
By my quick math, comparing the relative drag forces of the two GPS speeds (51 vs 54 mph), swapping the chain allowed 12% more force/power to get to the wheels.
I'm curious if this increased efficiency would be reflected in a range test.
I would imagine you wouldn't get much increased range at max speed, like what Luna recently did on pavement, but I wonder if this chain swap would increase range by 10% or so on a trail ride where the average speed isn't much different between chains.
Dang. Thanks for doing that math! And that’s an excellent point. I was just concerned with speed, but I’m sure the higher efficiency helps with the range as well!
I’d even be willing to bet it would have been 55 if I did the test fresh off the charger like I did the first test
I also weigh about 185 lbs… keep that in mind about the top speed
@@freerfixedit Yeah, lots of assumptions built into my analysis, so I wouldn't put a lot of weight into the number itself, but less drag in the chain should mean more range, less heat in the motor, etc.
Quick answer no. Keep up the upgrade videos. Just got my bike two days ago. Love the content.
That's actually pretty good. At those speeds wind resistance is strong and it takes a bit of power for each mph gained.
I'm 6ft and 185lbs too... this thing rips
Subscribed. Great Video man
Thank you!! Appreciate that!
Great video. I installed a Renthal non o-ring chain right out of the box on mine. Top speed is about 55 MPH. Super fun bike!
Appreciate the feedback 🤝 glad you’re enjoying it!
I'll replace my chain with a roller chain when it needs one but I'll hold off for now. My bike indicated 56 on flat ground at 68% battery and I'm 215 lbs, I really think I could have gotten 57 indicated because I was running out of room, I'm guessing it'll actually run the stated 52mph as advertised which I'm pleased with. I'll probably go up some teeth on the rear for better low end but I'm VERY impressed with it bone stock! Thanks for a great vid!!
you and me both! this bike out of the box is great! I mentioned the gear ratio settings in the display, but ive been informed that those are for calibrating the speedo on the display... they dont change the power delivery at all... the bike says ive been 56 top speed before I did the chain, but I tend to trust the GPS speedo a little bit more...
@@freerfixedit
Absolutely!
I bought this bike for tight canyon trails. Mostly at night due to not passing people off. And I mostly ride in eco. I got 56mph yesterday and I have the oring chain on.
Nice! I bet thats a lot of fun, but 56 is a stretch... the speedos are a bit off, better to go with a gps speedo to verify!
Benefits at the top end, but you gotta imagine that there are incriments benifits to overall torque and also battery life from freeing up the drivetrain. Just makes sense to me.
I agree. I hadn’t even considered that cause all I was concerned with was top speed, but it just makes sense to think that less resistance on the motor has to be more efficient = more range. At least slightly
Supermoto setup for the street ?...Sprocket how to video for the R?
I’m torn between a supermoto set and a 16/19 dirt wheel setup. I want both, but don’t have the money right now. Slowly but surely this thing is getting modded out… just gotta watch my spending for a little bit 😁
My MX3 currently has a 40t rear sprocket and a non O-ring chain. Gained 2mph from 47 to 49. Less then I planned on but it's still pretty snappy though. Gearing seems to affect E-motos differently than gas motos in my experience.
Yeah I jumped up 6 teeth and was surprised it wasn’t that extreme of a change. I agree, 1-2 teeth make a bike difference on moto bikes
@@freerfixeditso you went up to a 50t sprocket on the sting r?
@@Brandozvideos im running a 52t now, top speed is about 46
hey, doesnt the stock sting r go like 45 mph? just wondering what upgrades you made before the chain since the first speed test was like 51 mph
No upgrades, they go about 53 stock
What size chain would I use for my 40tooth sprocket ? Right now I’m getting 56mph max with a o ring chain for Luna cycles
Started hot waxing my road/MTB bike chains. Any thoughts on whether that'd work on such a non o-ring chain for Sting?
I have no experience with hot wax, but I don’t see why that wouldn’t be a good option. The one I linked came pretty well greased, and I haven’t added anything since I installed it.
I wonder what the range difference would be
Me too! It has to be better, even if it’s just slightly
@Freer Fixed iT ur the man with the equipment lol let's see it!
Y’all really gonna make me ride in a straight line for over an hour huh? 😂 I gotta find somewhere I can do it
From the time I’ve spent building bikes, the oring chains effect is negligible once the chain has heated up. Plus the oring chain will last SOOO much long and makes the sprockets last longer.
It definitely affects acceleration on these bikes, I've never been a fan of oring chains, and I've never had a sprocket out live a chain...
Yeah they might last longer, but chains and sprockets are consumables on a bike, and it's one of if not thee most cost efficient ways to improve your bike, and back to the consumables, I know when I rode dirt a lot, and even on most of my sport bikes, I either used aluminum sprockets, smaller pitched if I could, and no o-ring chains(usually not), and on my big sport bikes, like my Blackbird, I'd run hybrid sprockets, aluminum centers with steel teeth, Supersprox specifically, for less rotational mass.
@@johnnygeorgopoulos4072 i would put money on it that you couldn’t tell the difference between them when riding.
Do you think it makes the bike more efficient? Better low end power? Is it louder?
it is a little bit louder as far as chain noise goes, other people hear it more so than you do while riding the bike though... I do think it makes the bike more efficient, but not as far as power, But I think it should slightly increase range. less resistance on the motor has to equal better performance... right?
Need to try this out. Talaria boys stated no difference were made with non o ring chain
Hi man, nice ride) How do you feel yourself on this tires on a hoghway?
no desire to change to road tires?
Going in a straight line, no. They buzz and they are loud, but really the only time I’d like road tires is to be more confident leaning over on higher speed corners
@@freerfixedit Thanks bro, good luck and take care of yourself)
Will this work on any ebike or would there be other limiting factors that would stop you from realizing the top end speed gain?
any ebike that has an o-ring chain will benefit from a non o-ring chain. its more upkeep, and louder, but it will increase top speed and range slightly...hope this helps!
Have you seen the Talaria Boys video on this? They tested it but got a different result, quite an interesting watch! Great video.
Since you won’t be using the OEM chain, why not try boiling the chain in a pot so that the oil releases from the chain and then add line to see if it loosens the stock chain links better.
It’s not the oil that creates the drag, it’s the rubber o rings. I’m not sure if an o ring chain would work with out them…
Still 8mph faster than the first gen. Was this speed run with no regen too? I’m quiet jealous of the quick connectors to disable sensors.
The connectors are nice. Woulda felt bad cutting more wires on a brand new bike. I think the regen was on level 4 in this video. But it only affects when you let off the throttle. It almost feels like engine braking on a 4 stroke
do some more wheelies, i want to know if im gonna be able to wheelie this being stock down the whole street
you will, the stink bug stance had me a little timid, but once you get it farther back than feels comfortable, you realize thats where the balance point is. give me a couple more weeks ill be 12 oclocking this thing... def not a bike limitation, just a rider limitation on the wheelies at this point...
So if it’s 40 USD, why does title say 30 USD?
It was ~ $35 for this one. There are cheaper ones out there for less than $30. This one is just a trusted brand and pre cut to the size you need
which size chain for stock mx4? thank you for the vids very helpful
106 links for stock gearing. There’s a link in the top of the description to what you need. Thanks!
Hey sunshine why don't you do a 0 to 50 race? How much time it takes not top speed
What would you like me to compare it to at this point? I’ll do it, but I’m not gonna put the o ring chain back on
I have an app that can do 1/4 or 1/8 mile times as well as top speed during the run. Let me know what you want to see
Is that the talaria r?
Yes it is!
Seems like a worthy upgrade to me. 👍
Agreed. I’ve never been a fan of o ring chains anyway 🤷🏻♂️
Did it help in acceleration tho?
I think that it did, its very little, but you can feel the slightly reduced resistance, and it has to help with range!
Are you planning on doing a range test⚡
wasnt planning on it, but if there is enough interest in it, ill try to find a straight strip of road that I can do a long distance, no stop, range test like the talaria boys did on the older mx3 stings...
Hi man
I heard you say in the video that if you changed to a different sprocet it would go 60mph
what sprocet are you talking about
possibly leave a link😊
so smaller rear sprocket will increase speed but reduce torque, a larger rear sprocket will reduce speed but increase torque. Im not sure what the smallest size rear sprocket available is, but you could probly search some videos and find people that have played around with the gearing... hope this helps!
Can never go wrong with a gold DID
Never!
Is the first time u ride stock speed
@@SweatBoyo yeah, I don’t think this actually adds much speed, but it’s definitely easier on the motor and gets you up to speed faster, and slightly better range cause of the lesser resistance
Did it only change top speed or did it add more torque?
mainly helps slightly with acceleration and range
nice!
I just ordered the sting. Never rode a dirtbike in my life. Is it going to be to much for a newbie? I'm older then Jesus so responsibility isn't the issue I'm concerned about the torque.
Ride it for a bit before you cut the brown wire to unlock the full power. It being electric, it’s instant torque. Just need to have throttle control and not be too aggressive with it
Race bikes not running o ring chains has nothing to do with robbing horsepower. It has everything to do with cost and longevity. Cheap and can it last the race or maybe a couple of races? That's what you get. O-ring chains are like 20 or 30% more expensive.
Chains out last sprockets any day. I’ve never worn a chain out on a motocross bike, I just replace them every time I do sprockets cause that’s what they call for…
I just ordered one
How long is it suppose to be
should have tested top speed both directions on same street.
Yeah that would have been a good idea
The bike actually nailed it. GPS is lag
I’ve used this speedometer app for years in my vehicles, I have to say it’s quite accurate
😎💯🔥🙌
I don't ride electric, hell, I don't ride anything anymore due to a neck injury which causes migraines (helmets weight will exacerbate), but I've ridden my entire life, from 4yrs old with minibikes and my dope ass Yamaha DT50 I bought myself when I was 11, my CR250R I bought when I was 14, my 500cc stroked Banshee, ATC250R, ATX200X, countless other old 2 stroke enduros and street bikes, dirt bikes, CR125M and 250M Elsinore's, Odyssey and a Pilot, Suzuki GSX-R 1000's, Quadzilla LT500R, 1972 Kawasaki H2 IV 750 triple, tons of bikes, quads, trikes, a bunch of CB750's...but after my injury at 38, I had to let go of my three last bikes, my baby, my CBR1100XX Super Blackbird that I spent thousands on rare Japanese performance and upgrade parts on, and my similarly kitted out 75 CB750K5 and my 79 CB750F, both had a ton of work, ond had a full Yoshi(the CBR had a full titanium TSR), the 79 had a Moriwaki exhaust, all three were running Keihin FCR's, they all had big bore kits (1195cc and 836cc's)....oh yeah, rambling lol.... anyway, everyone knows a good, non o-ring chain(I'm an EK guy) and especially, a drop in thickness (530 to 520 pitch ) will give you a good boost, something you definitely won't feel on a larger bike, but you definitely end up putting down more power to the ground.. and of course, you should be buying a chain and sprockets together, it's your cheapest and most efficient way to change the behavior of your bike.
I've been looking at these electric bikes, don't think I'll get one, might see if I can get another CB though and just put around and forego that helmet..... I need to ride again 😅 maybe a smaller capacity CB or CL Scrambler, just something small and upright...ehhh
WD-40 is not a good chain lubricant. Gear lube will make a chain last forever.
no its not, thats why I apply it often. I just hate cleaning off the thicker lubes when they sling off and get everywhere...
And prob gained some battery life with less resistance!
yes, I didn't even consider that but I'm sure it has to help the range somewhat!
Put a 14t front sprocket and a 40t rear sprocket you'll gain even more speed
Might have to give it a try! Thanks
@@tomhorn5629 good to know! I was wearin a full face with a visor and not really tucked cause I had to look at the phone constantly!