TH-cam should introduce a new section like they did with TH-cam gaming, dedicated to high-quality videos in the film or documentary space. You'd get a new section dedicated to films and whatnot, AND you'd get better viewing options for those works.
Vimeo STAFF PICK member here. I currently am paying for Vimeo PLUS. Vimeo contacted me out of the blue after a decade and said NOW I need to make 90% of my video library private or they would remove my account for copyright infringement, because of new rules. These were skateboard and snowboard videos I made with friends, not commercial work. They were home videos. So I did.... Then I went to remove Vimeo PLUS, because why keep paying for it if I cant use it. WELL, they said "Sure, you can leave, but 100% of the content you uploaded while being a Plus member will be removed off the platform". So they are basically using my personal video library of over a decade to blackmail me into staying with them. The subscription just renewed so I am TRIGGERED and here leaving a comment. Any one else experience this?
@@Ibibiogal isn't that so annoying? Vimeo was cool before youtube was cool, which is why real Film makers gravitated to it. Then they screwed us, charged us, and made our early work cease to exists online. I have distain for them, yet still am forced to pay or I lose my entire library of past worked that's embedded all over the internet world. F you guys, Vimeo.
Wow, such high quality content - thank you! I consider myself as a junior level server and web services guy and from my perspective the switch on Vimeo is understandable. Video hosting is so freaking expensive. To get a better image, let's say one gigabyte of video costs 0.01€/month. You have to have high resolution copy of it and as many lower resolution copies as there are options in settings, youtube serves 8 different versions of this video. So let's say 10GB for the high resolution copy and 25GB for all the resolutions. A high resolution web video is likely somewhere around 25mbit/s, so a server with gigabit internet connection can theoretically send the video to 40 users at the same time at maximum. Therefore you have to have multiple servers which all have to have 25GB storage to serve that one 4k video. You have to have copies of that video close to the user, because the current internet is designed to ramp up the download speed in manageable steps and it goes trough multiple handshakes so the latency will be much higher than it takes for the light to travel in a fiber connection. This just means that you cannot get the full bandwith instantly from your internet connection. A small scale video service provider has to pay 0.001€ - 0.05€/GB for the network traffic, so at 0.01€/GB 40 views of that 10GB will use 400GB of bandwith and cost 4€. So with those fees 180€ (200$) will be enough for 1800 views . The price may vary based on multiple factors and if you are a big service provider the ISP:s may want to work with you (and you get almost free bandwith to their network), because it will make their network seem like better network for their customers. Services like youtube are at that scale. Anyways, my point is that serving web video as smaller provider is one of the most expensive things you can do on internet. To me, free TH-cam is a miracle, because they have to show so many ads to cover the expenses and make profit. So please support smaller service providers. Otherwise we will be stuck with youtube forever, this audience likely understands the issues like youtube content id, moderation (or lack of it) etc. Personally I think solutions like Peertube and LBRY are the future, but whatever the future is, we need alternatives in case something happens to youtube. (Companies and services aren't eternal, so if you make living from video production, please don't just rely on yt) If you think paying for a video hosting is expensive, tell about it to your viewers, explain why having competition in video hosting is good and tell them how much they would have to pay/donate in order to compensate for their video views. If the bandwith was 0.01€/GB, every viewer would have to donate 0.1€ or 0.11$ to watch that 4k video. And as a viewer consider using alternative platforms too and consider donating to the creators even small amounts of your currency. It will add up and even a cent is more than nothing. An USD cent is double the amount youtube pays for average creator per one view.
Appreciate it! And totally agree... In the video I'm not trying to bash them just explaining why they are moving away and really starting to force people out. It's sad. You gotta wonder the logistics of being able to do something like that without Ads though. It will be interesting to see what happens
@@FrameVoyager Yes, and a creator perspective should be valuable for them too. Customers are extremely loyal. Facebook is the greatest example in this, they have collected and leaked so much user data that it has become a meme and it is still almost as popular as before, but if you kick people out people will get used to alternatives and never switch back
Thank you for this info, it brings perspective. I still think though that the way they're going about it is unnecessarily aggressive in some cases... they're actually deleting people's files and holding their catalogues hostage. Giving you one week to go up from $200 to $3500 is not reasonable.
@@kineticfix Agreed, change should be introduced slowly and because storage is insanely cheap compared to bandwith they should at least keep the videos or let the viewer pay for their bandwith if they really need to see the content. In my opinion the viewer should always pay these costs, not the creator
Vimeo kicking creators out with astronomically high pricing is understandable on a business level, but devastating for the indie filmmaker and documentary creator community that has thrived there for years. WHERE SHOULD THOSE CREATORS GO NOW? Join our Discord Channel💬 ► discord.gg/3aeNPU7GHu
Vimeo started going downhill years before the IPO. I was on the platform in 2009 for about 5 years. When I ran into an issue their customer service was so rude and unhelpful I could no longer justify giving them my money. Things have just gotten progressively worse since then. Sad really. Was a decent platform for a while.
Appreciate it! And yeahhh, I saw the story from a few places and then read their shareholder letter. They are fully committed to corporate companies at this point. It's gotta be challenging hosting all of that video content and making money off of it
Vimeo might allow higher bitrate or whatever, but I have yet to watch a Vimeo video that doesn’t freeze or crash. Whenever I see a Vimeo link I go “gah…”. Vimeo just punched many many users in their face. Another thing that will backfire is that these indie artists will never pick Vimeo again when they have the power to choose platform.
Same! Always annoying trying to watch video people send me from Vimeo. The links always have weird issues and yeah, vimeo videos just don't play as snappy
Using youtube for anything embedded is a non-starter as there is no way to turn off them running ads on your content, so vimeo is a much better hosting platform.
Okay. I subscribed. Please. Please don’t stop making content. Trust me, most people quit before they get their biggest visibility on TH-cam. Don’t stop brother.
Good post. I'm learning, so my opinion is no big deal, but I don't disagree with anything here. You're getting a bit of low echo in your audio, so low that it may be from a wooden surface under your mike-stand. If it's not that (easily cured with a simple doily or table napkin) then it may be the solid wooden wall behind you, in which case you're looking for some curtain. But I think it's the table.
I have an account on Vimeo since 2008 (16 years). There I used to upload videos to show my work as a motion designer. But as you said, the platform doesn't look like to support single users anymore. I think I'll have to start uploading on TH-cam for now on.
About a few months ago, I got my Vimeo account terminated for uploading copyrighted cartoon videos that I dubbed over a long time ago. The content of them is rated NC-17. I was so surprised that one of my uploads on there managed to stay there for about 9 long years.
I've been working on a short film for months and always had in mind that it would be Vimeo who will host it once its done because of the bitrate. I guess I'll have to settle for TH-cam ):
Can you do another video where you list the alternatives to Vimeo? Looks like Vimeo's pivot left an untapped market available again and wondering if 1. Another company will service it, or 2. A big conglomerate such as Google may step in to service this niche without worrying so much about profits such they receive them from other places.
Vimeo needs to attract creators and small business owners alike and do volume as more and more people move to need a platform to work on their videos -and distribute them Vimeo could really win big 2023 and beyond there should be a concerted effort to scoop up all these hundreds of thousands of content creator small business coaches begin to need storage for their videos Vimeo could win big.
@@FrameVoyager I also hope that some big content creators/youtubers can create a OTT platform for Indy filmmakers. something people were expecting Netflix and Amazon OTT platform to be.
@@FrameVoyager many Indy filmmakers would benifit from it. because making a Indy feature , or short and uploading it on TH-cam doesn't help much. i once worked with a director for a low budget feature film. wasn't really sure whate they gonna do with it. but then recently a new local type OTT platform released with local language content and they solded that film. something like that can help to indy film makers on international level by Corridor or Casey Neistat.
Well, there's a reason TH-cam made so much money - they appeal to the masses and Video appeals to now even fewer than before - and yes - Vimeo will hold your videos hostage as they have mine until you upgrade to they "suggested plan"
There's also another important factor. And it's that many film festivals ask you for a Vimeo password protected link to your film. In the platform you can create an individual password for a single video but, if they were to switch to TH-cam, you would be forced to not only give them a worse quality version of your project to evaluate if they want it on their program, but also the user and password to your full account of TH-cam and not just the film. What will that do? Does that mean that everyone will create a new Google Account for every film so the user and password are only to access the video?
You can upload something on TH-cam and mark it as unlisted. Only people with the URL would be able to see it, and no need for a password to type. This means you can also easily embed it in a (live) pitch deck, use it for workshops etc. I do agree that the encoding is not as good as Vimeo though.
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TH-cam should introduce a new section like they did with TH-cam gaming, dedicated to high-quality videos in the film or documentary space. You'd get a new section dedicated to films and whatnot, AND you'd get better viewing options for those works.
Absolutely! That would be great
Vimeo STAFF PICK member here. I currently am paying for Vimeo PLUS. Vimeo contacted me out of the blue after a decade and said NOW I need to make 90% of my video library private or they would remove my account for copyright infringement, because of new rules. These were skateboard and snowboard videos I made with friends, not commercial work. They were home videos. So I did.... Then I went to remove Vimeo PLUS, because why keep paying for it if I cant use it. WELL, they said "Sure, you can leave, but 100% of the content you uploaded while being a Plus member will be removed off the platform". So they are basically using my personal video library of over a decade to blackmail me into staying with them. The subscription just renewed so I am TRIGGERED and here leaving a comment. Any one else experience this?
This is garbage. Would be nice if Google drive or Apple cloud would allow for better embeds.
@@Ibibiogal isn't that so annoying? Vimeo was cool before youtube was cool, which is why real Film makers gravitated to it. Then they screwed us, charged us, and made our early work cease to exists online. I have distain for them, yet still am forced to pay or I lose my entire library of past worked that's embedded all over the internet world. F you guys, Vimeo.
Wow, such high quality content - thank you!
I consider myself as a junior level server and web services guy and from my perspective the switch on Vimeo is understandable. Video hosting is so freaking expensive. To get a better image, let's say one gigabyte of video costs 0.01€/month. You have to have high resolution copy of it and as many lower resolution copies as there are options in settings, youtube serves 8 different versions of this video. So let's say 10GB for the high resolution copy and 25GB for all the resolutions. A high resolution web video is likely somewhere around 25mbit/s, so a server with gigabit internet connection can theoretically send the video to 40 users at the same time at maximum. Therefore you have to have multiple servers which all have to have 25GB storage to serve that one 4k video. You have to have copies of that video close to the user, because the current internet is designed to ramp up the download speed in manageable steps and it goes trough multiple handshakes so the latency will be much higher than it takes for the light to travel in a fiber connection. This just means that you cannot get the full bandwith instantly from your internet connection. A small scale video service provider has to pay 0.001€ - 0.05€/GB for the network traffic, so at 0.01€/GB 40 views of that 10GB will use 400GB of bandwith and cost 4€. So with those fees 180€ (200$) will be enough for 1800 views . The price may vary based on multiple factors and if you are a big service provider the ISP:s may want to work with you (and you get almost free bandwith to their network), because it will make their network seem like better network for their customers. Services like youtube are at that scale. Anyways, my point is that serving web video as smaller provider is one of the most expensive things you can do on internet. To me, free TH-cam is a miracle, because they have to show so many ads to cover the expenses and make profit.
So please support smaller service providers. Otherwise we will be stuck with youtube forever, this audience likely understands the issues like youtube content id, moderation (or lack of it) etc. Personally I think solutions like Peertube and LBRY are the future, but whatever the future is, we need alternatives in case something happens to youtube. (Companies and services aren't eternal, so if you make living from video production, please don't just rely on yt) If you think paying for a video hosting is expensive, tell about it to your viewers, explain why having competition in video hosting is good and tell them how much they would have to pay/donate in order to compensate for their video views. If the bandwith was 0.01€/GB, every viewer would have to donate 0.1€ or 0.11$ to watch that 4k video.
And as a viewer consider using alternative platforms too and consider donating to the creators even small amounts of your currency. It will add up and even a cent is more than nothing. An USD cent is double the amount youtube pays for average creator per one view.
Appreciate it! And totally agree... In the video I'm not trying to bash them just explaining why they are moving away and really starting to force people out. It's sad. You gotta wonder the logistics of being able to do something like that without Ads though. It will be interesting to see what happens
@@FrameVoyager Yes, and a creator perspective should be valuable for them too. Customers are extremely loyal. Facebook is the greatest example in this, they have collected and leaked so much user data that it has become a meme and it is still almost as popular as before, but if you kick people out people will get used to alternatives and never switch back
Thank you for this info, it brings perspective. I still think though that the way they're going about it is unnecessarily aggressive in some cases... they're actually deleting people's files and holding their catalogues hostage. Giving you one week to go up from $200 to $3500 is not reasonable.
@@kineticfix Agreed, change should be introduced slowly and because storage is insanely cheap compared to bandwith they should at least keep the videos or let the viewer pay for their bandwith if they really need to see the content. In my opinion the viewer should always pay these costs, not the creator
@@jimbo-devYou need to give the viewer a reason to pay, while creators already struggle to give viewers a reason to watch for free.
Vimeo kicking creators out with astronomically high pricing is understandable on a business level, but devastating for the indie filmmaker and documentary creator community that has thrived there for years. WHERE SHOULD THOSE CREATORS GO NOW?
Join our Discord Channel💬 ► discord.gg/3aeNPU7GHu
Vimeo started going downhill years before the IPO. I was on the platform in 2009 for about 5 years. When I ran into an issue their customer service was so rude and unhelpful I could no longer justify giving them my money. Things have just gotten progressively worse since then. Sad really. Was a decent platform for a while.
I was never a big Vimeo fan but even so it's always sad to see great creative spaces die like this.
@@FrameVoyager Their video player was always garbage and they never seem to care
what to do now? youtube isnt good enough for my films, im not getting anything else to upload on?
great summary. I had seen some of my favorite creators post about this on twitter but hadn't seen that report form Vimeo themselves.
Appreciate it! And yeahhh, I saw the story from a few places and then read their shareholder letter. They are fully committed to corporate companies at this point. It's gotta be challenging hosting all of that video content and making money off of it
Vimeo might allow higher bitrate or whatever, but I have yet to watch a Vimeo video that doesn’t freeze or crash. Whenever I see a Vimeo link I go “gah…”. Vimeo just punched many many users in their face. Another thing that will backfire is that these indie artists will never pick Vimeo again when they have the power to choose platform.
Same! Always annoying trying to watch video people send me from Vimeo. The links always have weird issues and yeah, vimeo videos just don't play as snappy
@@FrameVoyager alternative? At this moment youtube just crashing the video quality, every year its worst and worst
Yo, Vimeo is STRAIGHT UP blackmailing their uploaders!
Using youtube for anything embedded is a non-starter as there is no way to turn off them running ads on your content, so vimeo is a much better hosting platform.
Okay. I subscribed. Please. Please don’t stop making content. Trust me, most people quit before they get their biggest visibility on TH-cam. Don’t stop brother.
TH-cam has a TV app on every smart TV. I watch almost everything important on YT on a TV and have done since about 2009.
This is my exact situation right now... thanks for the video.
Ooof, that's gotta suck! And no problem!
Good post. I'm learning, so my opinion is no big deal, but I don't disagree with anything here.
You're getting a bit of low echo in your audio, so low that it may be from a wooden surface under your mike-stand. If it's not that (easily cured with a simple doily or table napkin) then it may be the solid wooden wall behind you, in which case you're looking for some curtain.
But I think it's the table.
Thank you for making this video. Great content.
No problem! Glad you enjoyed it
If TH-cam had a section like STAFF PICKS I would never miss VIMEO again.
I have an account on Vimeo since 2008 (16 years). There I used to upload videos to show my work as a motion designer. But as you said, the platform doesn't look like to support single users anymore. I think I'll have to start uploading on TH-cam for now on.
yeas and quality of your HQ videos will looks like sht then
Great content. thq you for the good work.
Glad you enjoy it!
I have hated Vimeo since they banned me for uploading a gaming video ages ago .-.
About a few months ago, I got my Vimeo account terminated for uploading copyrighted cartoon videos that I dubbed over a long time ago. The content of them is rated NC-17. I was so surprised that one of my uploads on there managed to stay there for about 9 long years.
Dang. I really wanted this to work. Netflix? Really?!
I've been working on a short film for months and always had in mind that it would be Vimeo who will host it once its done because of the bitrate. I guess I'll have to settle for TH-cam ):
TH-cam isn't the worst but yeah, I get it
Vimeo is the best, use it for better work!
Can you do another video where you list the alternatives to Vimeo? Looks like Vimeo's pivot left an untapped market available again and wondering if 1. Another company will service it, or 2. A big conglomerate such as Google may step in to service this niche without worrying so much about profits such they receive them from other places.
Hey! Yeah, might actually be a decent video
@@FrameVoyager please do this
Vimeo is dog shit for creators
How could Lois van Baarle possibly be using so much bandwidth? They're just still pictures!
holding data hostage is the future....
Does vimeo has Watermark when we edit our videos? Thanks 😊
Gah this sucks. All of my portfolio and client work is on Vimeo. Probably need to move sooner rather than later.
Yeahhhh, they just aren't for that anymore. TH-cam might work better in the long run anyways because of searchability, but who knows
yep ur right I'm feeling a bit nervous now!
Vimeo needs to attract creators and small business owners alike and do volume as more and more people move to need a platform to work on their videos -and distribute them Vimeo could really win big 2023 and beyond there should be a concerted effort to scoop up all these hundreds of thousands of content creator small business coaches begin to need storage for their videos Vimeo could win big.
Wow. Vimeo has lost their minds
Only used it once, never again.
I used to use it forever ago, but it just isn't super user friendly
1:50 she gets only hundreds of views per video and has to pay 3k? I used to think Vimeo was a real alternative to TH-cam.
this news came out just i uploaded 3 videos on Vimeo because TH-cam compression is bad. lol
hahaha yeahhhhh, I hope TH-cam takes this opportunity to add in some spaces for creators like that.
@@FrameVoyager I hope we can have more platforms. not just TH-cam something from Meta. not just for the quality but also due to the baised sensorship.
@@FrameVoyager I also hope that some big content creators/youtubers can create a OTT platform for Indy filmmakers. something people were expecting Netflix and Amazon OTT platform to be.
It would be cool! Honestly, would expect someone like Corridor to have the ability to do something like that in conjunction with like Linus Tech Tips
@@FrameVoyager many Indy filmmakers would benifit from it. because making a Indy feature , or short and uploading it on TH-cam doesn't help much. i once worked with a director for a low budget feature film. wasn't really sure whate they gonna do with it. but then recently a new local type OTT platform released with local language content and they solded that film. something like that can help to indy film makers on international level by Corridor or Casey Neistat.
Vimeo trying to compete with Wistia.
Well, there's a reason TH-cam made so much money - they appeal to the masses and Video appeals to now even fewer than before - and yes - Vimeo will hold your videos hostage as they have mine until you upgrade to they "suggested plan"
They are holding your videos? Are u not able to just cancel your Vimeo account? What's the story?
YES! 100%
🤣🤣🤣
Vimeo is a disgrace now.
Awesome intro!!
thank you
Floatplane to the rescue?
Unlikely
lol I got banned besides it's no good only can have 3 videos up unless I get premium!
Wtf the intro 😂😂😂
There's also another important factor. And it's that many film festivals ask you for a Vimeo password protected link to your film. In the platform you can create an individual password for a single video but, if they were to switch to TH-cam, you would be forced to not only give them a worse quality version of your project to evaluate if they want it on their program, but also the user and password to your full account of TH-cam and not just the film. What will that do? Does that mean that everyone will create a new Google Account for every film so the user and password are only to access the video?
You can upload something on TH-cam and mark it as unlisted. Only people with the URL would be able to see it, and no need for a password to type. This means you can also easily embed it in a (live) pitch deck, use it for workshops etc. I do agree that the encoding is not as good as Vimeo though.
youtube can't afford to pay its bills