I love these watches. I got one for my 16y birthday when I was younger, lost it at school because in school you can't have nice things around some of your fellow classmates. I didn't know when my stepdad whom gave it to me that this watch would be going on as a heirloom if I kept it right, and it would never need a change in battery or any kind of energy. That's 26 years ago, now I own 1 and I totally forgot to see how it actually works, so today I sat on the can and I thought to myself as I looked at my watch, "how the heck does it work?". So thank you for this insight. Wish you the best and a wonderful day my good sir for showing me this.
Apparently the new kinetics have been changed. Instead of a capacitor they now have a li-ion battery that stores the power. I looked into it because I got a diver kinetic real cheap from a shop. Great watch built like a tank. Quartz accuracy, never needs a battery, 200m water resistance. What's not to like.
Capacitors are essentially an acid type battery in sheet form that's then rolled up in some cases. But that's usually larger ones. Fact is, they're all some form of battery.
@@OffGridInvestor if i am not mistaken capacitors have a longer lasting life span, and they are not burdened to the same extent as batteries on the voltage that goes into it, which makes them excellent for recharging unperiodicly or unconsistantly,
It IS a quartz watch. It's an electrically powered watch, regulated by circuitry containing a quartz crystal, which vibrates at a rate more constant than the gyrations of a mechanical balance wheel and escapement mechanism, enabling it to achieve a greater level of accuracy than the average mechanical watch. To state that it is not a quartz watch, just because its battery is recharged during wear, by means of a dynamo harvesting the kinetic movements of the wearer, is just wrong!
i think it would best be named a hybrid synergy drive - just like toyota :)), it's a combination of two engineering solutions, working together to deliver in a simple and reliable fashion.
@@gogutzy That's what a Spring Drive is. A kinetic watch is just a plain old quartz watch, the way a solar powered watch is. It's just not exclusively powered by a battery cell.
I have one, its a lithium battery - it will last perhaps 5 to 10 years max. Seiko wanted more than the watch cost for repair. However the battery costs £23 for mine and is easy to replace.
Good video and nicely explained, of how this technique works! I wouldn't say, that this system is really cheaper than watches with batteries. The battery prices are very low. Okay, when using brand batteries, than the 10 pounds capacitor might be cheaper within 10 or 15 years. The main advantage might be, that you do not have to change the battery every one or two years. That is very comfortable.
You forgot to mention the function of the button @ 2 o'clock: When it's pushed, (Right when the seconds hand is @ 12 o'clock..), the seconds hand will move according to the accumulated charge. Maximum arc is all the way to 6 o'clock, meaning there is enough charge for six months. Thank you for a clear, spotless info.
It's like a cross between automatic and quartz except it's got the ugly quartz second's hand tick. Spring drive is the completed version of this idea but it costs a lot more.
These watches have a little battery in them that is constantly being charged by the dynamo in it which is activated through your wrist movements. But that battery gets depleted at some point and can't hold any charge. I bought one for my father. We need to replace the battery. In the model I had, the battery is apparently not regular lithium battery but some other type. I need to take care of it at some point. It is a nice watch. But it doesn't go for decades without any maintenance. Not a big issue but just heads up. The marketing gave the impression that would go on and on since it was bein recharged
You have to be vigilant about the capacitor. They can leak and ruin your watch. It's best to open your watch and check it out. I bought a battery and I didn't use it enough and it died. I can still charge it somewhat but I can't get it to fully charge. The capacitor needs changing if it leaks. And no one can say when it will leak. The batteries that they made years ago were made much better than the batteries they're making now. I think it's that way with everything. I wish it was true that these batteries lasted 10 years like my old one did. You can go on the internet and read where people have had problems with the life and the leakage problems. Some people will be lucky and the battery may not leak and may last for 15 years. I wish I was one of those people. If your battery does leak and you catch it in time you can clean up the leakage and save your watch. Maintenance is the key. There's not a perfect battery out there. As someone here say's these capacitors are just batteries that are rechargeable. And when you don't recharge them properly they get damaged.
Oh my goodness such a loud and vest shouting across the cosmos and internet that could not care less about you! Deliver yourself to a soup kitchen and wash dishes, for people who feel real things in real time.
I think that is the trouble with new technology, it needs years of testing and refining. I prefer my Citizen Eco-Drive. It has lasted 12 years already!
Interesting concept. So it's basically a tiny dynamo charging that capacitor instead of winding up the main spring. Still, this or Citizen's solar powered EcoDrive? Because if you didn't wear your kinetic watch for over a month its capacitor would be dead, whereas EcoDrive would last six months in full darkness on full charge, and would recharge very quickly under bright light. 🤔
Which in all reality aren't they powered by a battery since the initial capacitors seemed to be replaced by the lithium battery? I just changed one out of a SKA099. Certainly wasn't a fun process. If it wasn't a graduation gift from my mother then I'd probably have tossed it or sold it. I'd recommend saving the money and just going with a standard quartz since that is much easier to change out on your own. My Kinetic was always a bit noisy as well. It's okay for what it is, but I wouldn't personally buy a Kinetic if there wasn't something about the watch that just sold me on it. Nice video and explanation though!
if the capacitor is completely flat it can take a while to build up the charge - some say 2,000 shakes if it has been stood for a long while. Replacement is often the better solution. But from fully charge a 5M43A movement should have a power reserve of 168 hours
@@OffGridInvestor Thanks. Perhaps, but he bought it new and only had it 2-3 years. Found that the auto winder weight pivot was dry. Oil made it work again!
What lasts longer? Seiko Kinetic or Seiko Automatic? And I mean both how long cca it takes to turn off if they just sit on table. And also what is the expected lifetime of automatic, if we take this info that capacitor lifetime is around 10-15 years. Thanks.
Hi, I have a seiko kinetic. The watch stops while the stem is out for setting. Is this okay if I keep the watch stopped to reserve power to a kinetic watch?
Omega, Baume it Mercier and other Swiss manufacturers use Autoquartz. On the lower end, I was told Bulova subed out to Citizen for their 97A136 witch has an open heart! How is this possible? Do a show on.
@@Birthyearwatches what if a regular automatic movement could be adapted to charge a capacitor, the lume could be powered by this stored energy and activated via a light sensor.
@@trafficface I am not an electronic engineer, but would the battery not drain faster than it could charge? Better to use something like timex indigo backlighting just to have lume when needed
it is to check the power reserve. The seconds hand is used to display the reserve, and a fully charged watch should be hitting 20 seconds to show max reserve
Quartz is not nasty at all. Quartz regulated movements are cheaper to make, cheaper to maintain and more accurate than 99% of mechanical watches. Plus a lot of people don't care what regulates their watches. There are some nasty cheap quartz movements, but there are also some plain nasty mechanical movements. I will swap from Manual wind, automatic, quartz and electronic watches and like each one for a different reason. And for complex triple calendar watches quartz is the ideal solution.
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I love these watches. I got one for my 16y birthday when I was younger, lost it at school because in school you can't have nice things around some of your fellow classmates. I didn't know when my stepdad whom gave it to me that this watch would be going on as a heirloom if I kept it right, and it would never need a change in battery or any kind of energy. That's 26 years ago, now I own 1 and I totally forgot to see how it actually works, so today I sat on the can and I thought to myself as I looked at my watch, "how the heck does it work?". So thank you for this insight. Wish you the best and a wonderful day my good sir for showing me this.
Apparently the new kinetics have been changed. Instead of a capacitor they now have a li-ion battery that stores the power. I looked into it because I got a diver kinetic real cheap from a shop. Great watch built like a tank. Quartz accuracy, never needs a battery, 200m water resistance. What's not to like.
What model?
Capacitors are essentially an acid type battery in sheet form that's then rolled up in some cases. But that's usually larger ones. Fact is, they're all some form of battery.
@@OffGridInvestor if i am not mistaken capacitors have a longer lasting life span, and they are not burdened to the same extent as batteries on the voltage that goes into it, which makes them excellent for recharging unperiodicly or unconsistantly,
but capacitors have a very small charge capacity compared to batteries. If capacitors are RAM, batteries are hard drives @@Svevid
@@mortache i know what they are, but you dont need a huge battery in watches if it has a self recharge function
I bought a seiko kinetic watch today at a collectors fair. I didn't know about this kind of system until your useful video. Thanks for posting.
If you wear these Seiko watches for a day or two, they literally last for weeks with a charge. Its incredible
It IS a quartz watch. It's an electrically powered watch, regulated by circuitry containing a quartz crystal, which vibrates at a rate more constant than the gyrations of a mechanical balance wheel and escapement mechanism, enabling it to achieve a greater level of accuracy than the average mechanical watch. To state that it is not a quartz watch, just because its battery is recharged during wear, by means of a dynamo harvesting the kinetic movements of the wearer, is just wrong!
i think it would best be named a hybrid synergy drive - just like toyota :)), it's a combination of two engineering solutions, working together to deliver in a simple and reliable fashion.
well, seiko doesn't call it uartz watch anyway....
@@gogutzy That's what a Spring Drive is.
A kinetic watch is just a plain old quartz watch, the way a solar powered watch is. It's just not exclusively powered by a battery cell.
I have one, its a lithium battery - it will last perhaps 5 to 10 years max. Seiko wanted more than the watch cost for repair. However the battery costs £23 for mine and is easy to replace.
Wow. This is so cool. I didn’t know such a movement existed. Thanks
Loved your video just simple sweet and short straight to the point
its got a quartz crystal in it, so although it doesnt have a battery, its still a quartz watch, just a different sub-cathegory
short simple and to the point, thank you
Good video and nicely explained, of how this technique works!
I wouldn't say, that this system is really cheaper than watches with batteries. The battery prices are very low. Okay, when using brand batteries, than the 10 pounds capacitor might be cheaper within 10 or 15 years.
The main advantage might be, that you do not have to change the battery every one or two years. That is very comfortable.
Absolutely correct. What I should have said is that they are not a standard quartz watch
Thank you Sir, that was useful and helpful. Thumbs up to you!
You forgot to mention the function of the button @ 2 o'clock: When it's pushed, (Right when the seconds hand is @ 12 o'clock..), the seconds hand will move according to the accumulated charge. Maximum arc is all the way to 6 o'clock, meaning there is enough charge for six months. Thank you for a clear, spotless info.
It's like a cross between automatic and quartz except it's got the ugly quartz second's hand tick. Spring drive is the completed version of this idea but it costs a lot more.
These watches have a little battery in them that is constantly being charged by the dynamo in it which is activated through your wrist movements. But that battery gets depleted at some point and can't hold any charge. I bought one for my father. We need to replace the battery. In the model I had, the battery is apparently not regular lithium battery but some other type. I need to take care of it at some point.
It is a nice watch. But it doesn't go for decades without any maintenance. Not a big issue but just heads up. The marketing gave the impression that would go on and on since it was bein recharged
You have to be vigilant about the capacitor. They can leak and ruin your watch. It's best to open your watch and check it out. I bought a battery and I didn't use it enough and it died. I can still charge it somewhat but I can't get it to fully charge. The capacitor needs changing if it leaks. And no one can say when it will leak. The batteries that they made years ago were made much better than the batteries they're making now. I think it's that way with everything. I wish it was true that these batteries lasted 10 years like my old one did. You can go on the internet and read where people have had problems with the life and the leakage problems. Some people will be lucky and the battery may not leak and may last for 15 years. I wish I was one of those people. If your battery does leak and you catch it in time you can clean up the leakage and save your watch. Maintenance is the key. There's not a perfect battery out there. As someone here say's these capacitors are just batteries that are rechargeable. And when you don't recharge them properly they get damaged.
Oh my goodness such a loud and vest shouting across the cosmos and internet that could not care less about you! Deliver yourself to a soup kitchen and wash dishes, for people who feel real things in real time.
I think that is the trouble with new technology, it needs years of testing and refining. I prefer my Citizen Eco-Drive. It has lasted 12 years already!
Interesting concept. So it's basically a tiny dynamo charging that capacitor instead of winding up the main spring.
Still, this or Citizen's solar powered EcoDrive? Because if you didn't wear your kinetic watch for over a month its capacitor would be dead, whereas EcoDrive would last six months in full darkness on full charge, and would recharge very quickly under bright light. 🤔
Right off the bat, it IS a quartz watch. It is just a quarts watch that is not powered by a battery.
Which in all reality aren't they powered by a battery since the initial capacitors seemed to be replaced by the lithium battery? I just changed one out of a SKA099. Certainly wasn't a fun process. If it wasn't a graduation gift from my mother then I'd probably have tossed it or sold it. I'd recommend saving the money and just going with a standard quartz since that is much easier to change out on your own. My Kinetic was always a bit noisy as well. It's okay for what it is, but I wouldn't personally buy a Kinetic if there wasn't something about the watch that just sold me on it. Nice video and explanation though!
My thoughts exactly.
Personally, I think a simple quartz watch is preferable to this hybrid.
Like a dynamo and automatic hybrid. Now I want one.
My Sportura Kinetic is my favorite watch. Is it normal for the movements in Kinetics to be quite noisy?
they can be yes
I have a citizen ladies quartz 1983 it still works
Hi sir Good day,How long does it take for charging up until the maximum? And if its fully charged how long could it stay without winding again..
if the capacitor is completely flat it can take a while to build up the charge - some say 2,000 shakes if it has been stood for a long while. Replacement is often the better solution. But from fully charge a 5M43A movement should have a power reserve of 168 hours
My friend has one of these. It kept stopping. I wind it with a power tool to get any decent power reserve. I think something is not up to par.
@@cynic150 it will have a dead capacitor.
@@OffGridInvestor Thanks. Perhaps, but he bought it new and only had it 2-3 years. Found that the auto winder weight pivot was dry. Oil made it work again!
What lasts longer? Seiko Kinetic or Seiko Automatic?
And I mean both how long cca it takes to turn off if they just sit on table. And also what is the expected lifetime of automatic, if we take this info that capacitor lifetime is around 10-15 years.
Thanks.
We often see 50+ Year old automatic Seiko watches, but the kinetic should last longer (or have a longer power reserve) when not being worn.
I have a kinetic united army watch,I use it up to now
Just found out about these. Cool idea
its not a capacitor... its a straightforward rechargeable battery...can b replaced any time...
Well to be exact there are no rechargeable batteries. It's called an accumulator :P
what type of watch is that?
It IS Quartz. Just not standard basic quartz.
u sure its not a bettery? capacitors have big selfdischarge. i doubt it would last as long in box as they do if it was capacitor
It is a capacitor
So this is sorta like a less fancy version of the Springdrive?
the spring drive is more advanced, but the idea isn't too far different
Hi, I have a seiko kinetic. The watch stops while the stem is out for setting. Is this okay if I keep the watch stopped to reserve power to a kinetic watch?
you do risk moisture getting in the case if you leave the crown pulled out, so I wouldn't suggest you do that
Omega, Baume it Mercier and other Swiss manufacturers use Autoquartz. On the lower end, I was told Bulova subed out to Citizen for their 97A136 witch has an open heart! How is this possible? Do a show on.
Bulova are owned by Citizen now. Googling Bulova 97A136 shows it to be an automatic movement, so drilling a hole in the dial isn't difficult
It means if wear 12 hrs a day daily then how long will it take to charge fully?
Mihir747 it depends on the age and condition of the capacitor. If you are not getting 12 hours use then you will need a new capacitor in most cases
a few hours
How does the lume work because I have a rather interesting mod idea. Are there any LED based lume watches on this platform?
the lume stores light in it and is not bright unless it has been 'charged' by light. Never seen LED used as lume before
@@Birthyearwatches what if a regular automatic movement could be adapted to charge a capacitor, the lume could be powered by this stored energy and activated via a light sensor.
@@trafficface I am not an electronic engineer, but would the battery not drain faster than it could charge? Better to use something like timex indigo backlighting just to have lume when needed
@@Birthyearwatches I don't know either your probably correct but failure is the path to success so I'm going to try and find out.
If an automatic watch and a quartz watch had a baby.
Can u tell me what is model no of this watch???
Navjivan Gear Co. Patil Brothers here is the full details www.birthyearwatches.com/1998-seiko-kinetic-5m42-0h10-mens-watch/
I bought one at the thrift store. Is it normal that it fails when I sleep. It get like several hours behind.
No. I think it needs servicing. A new capacitor at least. They are about £15
@@Birthyearwatches thanks. I appreciate it.
What is the function of the button in the right side of the watch ...PS not the time adjustment thing
Tyler james the button at 2 is to show the power reserve.
what is the little button above the crown for?
it is to check the power reserve. The seconds hand is used to display the reserve, and a fully charged watch should be hitting 20 seconds to show max reserve
So.......sort of a spring drive??
no. different altogether
Is it more accurate like a quartz watch?
Yes, the movement is controlled by quartz and the kinetic part charges the power source, so they are as accurate as conventional quartz movements
It basically IS EXACTLY a quartz watch. Just with a generator attached by way of a flywheel and faraday coil or something similar
Better than solar powered?
if you are a miner, yes. if laying on a beach, no
@@Birthyearwatches remember that solar watch can last almost 9 month in full charges
15 years capacitor life No way
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The only problem is you have to walk them like a dog, if you don't they won't will die.
Not much explanation.
Why... Why these nasty quartz movements??
Quartz is not nasty at all. Quartz regulated movements are cheaper to make, cheaper to maintain and more accurate than 99% of mechanical watches. Plus a lot of people don't care what regulates their watches. There are some nasty cheap quartz movements, but there are also some plain nasty mechanical movements. I will swap from Manual wind, automatic, quartz and electronic watches and like each one for a different reason. And for complex triple calendar watches quartz is the ideal solution.
Why would you say that the quartz movement is nasty ?
@@starofdavid4586 some quartz are nasty, and some mechanical movements are worse. Seiko's are not nasty IMHO