What are Solar and Kinetic Watches? Watch and Learn #23
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 6 ส.ค. 2024
- In today's video of Watch and Learn, we will discuss Solar and Kinetic watches. What makes these watches tick? How are they different from conventional battery watches, and what are their advantages.
You will find a Solar or Kinetic watch is quite simpler than you imagine, and they can provide months of trouble free use without requiring any charging source. And, because they still operate on quartz crystals, they are quite accurate!
Come check out the real "grab and go" technology.
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I have a Seiko Kinetic since 2003 and it still works perfectly. I love this technology so much, even more than Eco-Drive
I just like to let you know I appreciate you taking the time to explain and try to educate us,thank you mark.👍
Thanks!
Your prices & offers are so good, that i paid 13$ shipment, 19% tax, spend 4 hours at customs and it was still worth it
...and your videos are awesome too, greetings from germany
Wow, great to hear that!
Now that's a hell of a testimonial...... I've yet to become a Islander watch owner. Maybe it's time...... Thanks Nykem.
Marc, even though I already knew Seiko's technology on solar and Kinetic, you show it in a way that is fascinating to watch. I really do appreciate these watch and learn videos. And I always manage to learn something new from them. Please, keep up the great work!!! - Mark
Thanks again!
These videos really help me appreciate all types of watches, not just automatics. Thank you for your effort! I really want the Seiko Chronograph now!
Great, thank you!
I own a citizen eco drive perpetual for 18 years now......its time keeping is unbelievable. I wear it everyday and it still looks beautiful.
That Sieko SSC569 is absolutely a beautiful watch! Love that silver dia!
I have had that kinetic diver for 10 years. It has been trough hell and never had the back off it. Works just great still.
is it still running? :D
@@relosapulso Yes, no problem.
@@ianbutler1983 oh nice! i recently bought the new seiko sumo prospex solar i hope it will last long same as yours :D
The capacitor in my Seiko kinetic went out after about 10 years, so be prepared to change it soon.
I don't doubt the quality of Citizen watches. My wife gifted me a Citizen Quartz on our wedding day in 1980. The battery life seems to go on forever & the quality of the timepiece continues to be impeccable after all these years. Trouble is, I have yet to find a Citizen watch (except for my old Quartz) that speaks to me in terms of design and aesthetics.
A little step up in quality..and price unfortunately.. But not by too much
Tissot..or Seiko..maybe Phoibos or Helm
Between those 4 manufacturer.. They are amazing quality and great price for what you get..Citizen never really appeal ed to me either looks wise
@@mrmagoo.3678 I own 3 Citizens, I bought them strictly on cool factor and tech, they're definitely not great looking watches beyond their divers, which to me, all divers look about the same and Citizen to me, has the best value (I'd love to get my hands on that $400 titanium diver, but I have too many Citizens already). I'd love to see them put their tech, reduce the features and increase design and aesthetics. As a brand, them seem more concerned with pumping out product than art.
When Seiko came out with the “Kinetic” I thought another Self Winding Watch.... that is not new technology. I soon learned, it was not a Former “Self Winding” Movement I grew up with, but indeed a kinetic with a quartz Movement but Charged by the movement of your wrist! Thank You for explaining the difference. I have several Solar and Eco Drive Watches. My first Battery Operated Watch was a Bulova Accutron 214. It has a tuning fork and hums! Citizen has since purchased Bulova and has a new Movement a 262 kHz “Tri-tuning fork Movement.” Very Accurate. The Grand Seikos are introducing new watch Technologies and accuracy within seconds in a year! I’ve been blessed to observe changes in technology in Watchmaking over the years. I still love Mechanical Movements and with improvement in lubricants extended service periods. Thanks Marc for your videos and explaining the new technologies!
Thanks. Just getting into watch collecting a bit, and your vidz have been invaluable.
Thanks for the continuing education, Marc. Building my Seiko collection.
Great videos Sir, as always I've learned a lot - I'm not shy do admit it. Thank You and keep on going! Best regards!
Great, thank you!
Agreed. The explanation is very clear and informative without getting so technical you get lost. Always nice to actually know what I'm getting in my hands when planning a purchase.
Consider me subscribed.
You're one of the best watch reviewers on TH-cam.
Thank you, Marc
Wow, thank you.
Perfect video! Just when I was wondering about solar and kinetic as buying choices. Good to hear they're both very solidly made movement types.
Thanks! Glad you liked it.
Nice review Mark, and taking the effort to remove the case backs made me instantly subscribe!!!
Awesome video, now I finally understand what was wrong with my watch! Thank you!
I was Swiss only guy for many years. Now I have many Seikos.I don't wear my Rolexes anymore, they live in my safe.
Day to day Seiko rule.
Hey Marc,
Thanks for all your insight and education of watches...very, very helpful & entertaining.
I started getting into solar powered watches a few months ago and now have 2/ a Casio entry level (budget) and a beautiful Citizen Eco Drive pilots (B face)
Keep up the great work and All the best.
I absolutely love your channel. You are so informative. It really feeds my thirst for learning about watches. Thank you so much and keep up the good work. I know you have run a shop for years and have an engineering background, but where else have you learned so much about watches? You seem very well versed from a layman like myself.
Thanks Marc. You are great guy. Really useful information.
Thank you Mark great video.just bought a Seiko solar and kinetic fascinating to see how they work.Keep up the videos.
Note: you can also charge the kinetic watches with a an electric tooth brush charger, just lay it atop the charger for couple of days for full charge.
I just came across your video about the Seiko kinetic. It's a cool technology and I'm glad to know how it works. Thanks as always for your clear explanation.
Great video. I bought a Seiko Prospex Solar Powered Quartz Flight Chronograph a couple years ago and I couldn't be happier. I love the unique look plus the fact I don't have to worry about batteries or winding. I'm from long island, would like to check out your shop sometime.
U r amazing marc. Truely the only guy on youtube who knows wtf they r talking bout on watches. Bless u. Ill be buying a watch from LIW.com just to support you
I love the Watch & Learn series. As a total noob to all things watches it's very valuable information.
Thanks for checking it out.
Good video thanks. I have one solar watch in my collection . A citizen Eco drive . The face is all black . I keep it on my desk with the office light . It is always working .
Fascinating video. The kinetic system reminds me of how some vehicles keep their batteries topped up whenever the breaks are used. Thanks Marc.
Exactly! Regenerative breaking.
Love your watch learn series! Great video!
Thanks!
Thank you, oh so kindly. You've answered everything I've desired to know about the Solar Seiko models. Have a Seiko Coutura Solar myself. As mentioned in video it displays as fully charged at all times. Even being stored away from light. I had the watch running non-stop. With my most other models I prefer to pull the crown out, and leave it idle until I wear one. My main concern was battery performance and longevity on the Seiko Solar.
Does the seiko solar quartz watch make a ticking sound like a swatch does?
Dude I learnt so much. Beautiful taste in watches btw
Just bought a new SSC815 Seiko blue Speedtimer. Now I can learn how it works. Thanks!
Thanks! Love the watch and learn series!
Thank you!
Very good,you do these great,even I can understand some of it,Thanks.
Thank you for your videos, Mark, they are much appreciated. Been watching for a while & I just thought I'd let you know I've learned quite a bit by listening to you.
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I have a Casio eco drive world timer watch that I bought 8 years ago. It is my tool watch that I wear on all occasions especially when I go flying for the Airline. Amazing thing about it, I have not been using it for the past few months, but it still works extremely fine when I try to wear it a few days ago. It has been conserving energy and ticks to the exact time when I expose it to light.
I could say it is one piece of excellent engineering from Casio. I will cherish it and put it in my watch cabinet. Now my daily watch is an Omega Seamaster or a Seiko Presage. Great video by the way. Most probably I will buy another Citizen watch eco drive with perpetual calendar or a world timer with Radio controlled built in. Can't really decide about it. Cheers 😁
Casio isn't the same company as Citizen-
Thanks Marc nice to see the movements
the million dollar question:
Why are so few of this watches in the market? They are so efficient
Citizen eco drive have a lot.
This is very informative. Thnx!
Hi sir, I always learn a lot from u through your videos. I appreciate your efforts and time. Please can u make a video on tuning fork watch technology? While referring to Omega f 300 etc. ?
Mark!!! This is amazing. Light bulbs popping up near my heads. Curious about these solar and kinetic for the longest time. Thanks. Next is to buy a watch from long island.
Haha, thank you!
Very useful info. Thank you!
Useful video series. Thanks for sharing.
Thanks for watching.
Great video,much appreciated!
The length of the video is perfect, not too long and not too short. The information you share is excellent as always. May I suggest something. If you start the videos by number i.e instead of # 23 at the end, if you put 23 at the beginning. May be it will be easier for reference down the road when you have a whole bunch of videos. Regards.
Mark, great tutorial!
This may be a question a lot of you already know the answer to, that said what is the lifespan of a solar watch (not the battery life) the watch itself.
I don't know if it's true but I've been under the impression they don't last forever.
If you could shed some Light on the subject I would really appreciate it.
Also I'm thinking about 2 watches first is the Seiko SSC017 and the Tissot Seastar powermatic 80.
If you were to buy one which would you choose?
Thank you Mark, great vid!!!
Great video! Thanks Mark
Marc, I'm about to make that Kinetic Diver mine!!
Rock it!
A very good and clear video👍
Great video, thanks. Great movements too.
Thanks!
Good info! Thanks Marc!
thank you for explaining brilliant video👍🏿
Thanks for watching!
I love my Kinetic Seiko SKA647.
Thanks for a great explanation, Marc. I noticed that the seconds hand on the kinetic is way out of alignment. Do you know if that typical?
Really beautiful timepiece + :)
Fello Islander here great video Marc
I really love the new W&L episodes Mark! I was always waiting for a Solar / Eco-Drive / Kinetic as well as Spring Drive video because I think those alternative Quarz driven technology platforms are very interesting, even for a hardcore mechanical watch addict.
Thanks!
Thanks much!
I own that Solar chronograph. It is a great watch for the money.. Seiko Recraft is turning out to be rather cool.
I’ve had a Seiko Solar Dive watch for fifteen years or more. It keeps perfect time.
Great video, thank you!
My Citizen F900 GPS Eco drive has a power reserve of 1,5 Years with regular use and I think somewhere around 3 years (or even more) when in "Sleeping mode". Its also accurate to at least 5 seconds a month. 10 Bar water resistant, surface hardened titanium, anti reflective sapphire, automatic time zone adjustment.. love that thing. Truly a high end time piece.
Sounds like a great watch.
Cool video. I learned some things.
The Casio Solar Analog watches do the 2 second skip when charge drops to mid-range. My G-shock does, my Edifice has a meter hand. My 2 Solar Digital G-shocks have metered bars for charge indication. A little solar goes along way on all these watches, just an extremely efficient system!
Thanks, I just bought the sun065p1, with a kinetic drive, so now I also know what it means :D.
That's great!
Great video to understand different technology powering watches! What I would suggest it to do video of 'ultimate' watch: solar+atomic and suggest 'perfect' one as some are not so perfect as they do not adjust time when we go in DST and out of DST.
Thank you!
Mine has radio synchronization so it actually does correct for DST and leap years, so it never has to be adjusted.
That chrono is beautiful. I want one!
Nice.. good work. Congrats
Tell us some good watch brands which are quite ecnomical...watch all ur videos amd love it
this one was good i didnt know kinetic watches existed. i like things that work by themselves. so im loving solar and automatic and now kinetic watches.
Please also tellus the hardlez glass and ceramic braclet Nd how we can choose the best watch by reading its specifications....
Great insight
Hey Mark! great job! really useful info. Thanks! Could you also do a video on satellite watches and radio watches? And also it would be great if you could do a review on Seiko premier kinetic perpetual SNP114P1...
Will try, thank you!
Good review. 👍
Thanks Marc, brilliant video. I was totally against quartz, but solar or kinetic makes them more interesting to me, there is some organic feel, something other than simple battery and piece of quartz.
I am searching for some Paul Newman look panda, Omega CK2998 is too expensive for me, while Alpha and Steinhart do not look very honest to me, so I am thinking about this solar Seiko SSC569, and Orient Neo WV0041TX, those two watches have the same look, but they feel much more honest to me than knockoffs I mentioned earlier.
What is your opinion on those two similar watches? Thanks...
hi mark. what happens when the solar battery "dies"? can it be replaced? is it worth replacing, or are you better off buying a new watch? thank you. great review as always
I actually found a beautiful Seiko Solar Chrono yesterday. I failed to note the ref. no. but the three circle dial was a beautiful dark grey ~ green tone that I've never seen before which alone was sufficient to tempt me. I'll have to get its serial no., perhaps tomorrow en route to work. It was maybe ¥30,000 yen, which would be like $250 American I guess.
I love my Citizen Skyhawk. I like SEIKO and do have one my wife bought me 20 years ago but prefer Citizen.
I have a collection of Invicta watches and love them. My fave is my Venom special with black oyster dial. If there's a better one anywhere it would be wasted on me. 15 in one year too many?
Years later and this videos still useful..thanks BroZay!😎😂💩
Do you think a solar is a better option for longevity of a watch over a standard quartz? I'm worried in 10 years I won't be able to find a battery or an installer for a solar watch. Great videos, keep up the awesome work!
Hmmm I haven't heard about the kinetic before. It's like s fitness reminder I guess. Neat!
LOL
Casually says that he had a Grand Seiko around the office*
As a watch repairer of 53 years i place my kinetics on my automatic workshop winders when not in use along with my own automstics and repairs
An auto winder for single or multiple watches would help if the owner does not wear regularly
Many jewellers sell them
Or available on line
John Anderson.Hastings.England.
Which one do you think is the low maintanance cost?the solar or the kinetic?and how long the durablity of the battery or the capasitor?thx
Thank you very much. Approximately what's the life span of the rechargeable batteries in these watches? I am glad I found this channel. Looking forward to buy my next watch purchase from you.
About 10 years, or more.
Citizen did a few tests of their eco drives that had a second battery, and showed that the second battery would have about 80% of it's storage capacity in 20 years.
So while they do degrade, they degrade in a way that they store slightly less charge each year, so even when they're less effective as long as you wear them outdoors you're likely charging it up enough that you never have issues with power running out for at least 10 years.
@@G1NZOU secondary battery, as opposed to primary battery. The secondary is used to refer to rechargeable batteries, while primary batteries are used up and disposed of after they're spent.
A very long time. Just don't let them run all the way dead, that will shave time off of their life.
Can you do premier kinetic sieko watch.thank you soo much for this review
I have a solar Seiko SSC019 and it's been rock-solid. Like all my solar watches, I put them outside for an hour each Saturday for a sun bath and they are all very happy.
Kinetics are a controversial subject in the watch forums and I don't know why, exactly. Other than the lack of hand-winding (a couple of Seiko models now do, called Direct Drive), they get their energy the same exact way an automatic does -- through wrist motion. I also have the Seiko SKA371 (nicknamed the "BFK" for Big Frickin' Kinetic on the forums) and wearing it for a day once every two weeks is enough to keep it charged at the six month reserve level. It is true that the early kinetics in the late 90s had capacitors and were prone to premature failure, but Seiko had been equipping all their kinetics with lithium ion rechargeable batteries for more than ten years now.
Great informative video as always, Marc. Greatly appreciated.
You are correct; early kinetics ran on capacitors as the battery technology wasn't advanced enough; it is now.
The Seiko direct drive never really caught on (in my opinion). And I think the issue with the regular kinetic is the rotor has alot of resistance and needs to be moved heavier than an auto to keep it charged up.
Lee, just 2 days ago, I bought the Seiko charger for my kinetics. Wearing the watches would maintain the low level charges they had when I got them, but nothing I did would get them up to a full charge. They are great watches otherwise.
Good to hear, Michael! Those dedicated chargers do work very well.
PS. Shouldn't you be busy abstaining or something? :)
Hey Mark, two questions. (1) Is the Seiko Kinetic's rechargeable battery widely available or are these special order batteries? (2) Any news on Locman making any new Montecristo-style watches? They have some of the most beautiful crowns I've seen and I LOVE the blue Montecristo 200 but it's a bit bulky and I'd love to know if they'll have slimmer options in the future.
Not sure about Locman, I think they are pulling out of the USA market.
The rechargeable batteries are available from Seiko. When a watch goes out of production, even, they keep parts on hand for about 10 years usually.
Please guide me what does mean by 3 bar water resistant and what is the best water resistant bar property..and what is the best case material and thinkness of dial and straps lenght and thickness.
Thumbs up, thanks.
Serious question, what would happen if you put a kinetic watch in paint shaker Would it damage the watch, or charge it just fine?
Thanks for your interesting clarification about kinetic and solar watches. Which type is best in your opinion?
Solar, IMO
Recently bought a Seiko SQ 50 (Kinetic Sports) watch. Black dial.
I’m a watch collector funny thing is my friend likes seiko but doesn’t like automatic for some reason I however citizens eco drives and bulova marine star the only seiko I have in my collection is the seiko 255p1 ohh can you do a video on invicta because I have and seaspider and a iforce great video thanks
I've noticed when opening the back of a watch many years ago, there seemed to be a lever which I believe is used to either speed up or slow down the watch. It was located right over the main spring. Do you recommend the user adjusting the speed or would it be advised to let a professional do it? As always a very informative presentation.
We did a video on this, regulating a watch. It is doable by the end user.
Thanks, appreciate the informative review. Do you have any experience/knowledge re: 'behavior' of ciitzen eco-drive battery? I've had mine for several years now of daily wear, lots of charge, good accuracy but lately I've developed a battery-sized and shaped rash on my wrist under the watch. Do emissions or chemical of some kind leak out of the battery over time?
More likely there's a foreign substance on the back of the watch that's irritating. Try cleaning off the back thoroughly. Some individuals after allergic to the metals used, like nickel.
I bought a Citizen BM 8180-03E secondhand in around 2004 and have only now replaced it with the same watch because it was no longer holding a reserve charge. That is 16 years or more use without ever opening the watch. It was still keeping time if it was worn but after 24 hours in a draw it stopped. Not even a Rolex will go that long without needing some attention, at least my brothers doesn't. He spends more than the cost of a good solar watch on servicing it every couple of years with the Rolex service agent.
Nice video. By the way, what is type Seiko Solar this video?
Marc, was watching this video again and had a thought, if the solar watch recharges with light exposure would it be possible to have a sweeping second hand? The one click per second is a battery saving design to my understanding so is the battery is recharged with light then that would not be a concern. Maybe 2 months or even one month standby but that would be ok to get rid of the second hand bounce. Thought?