Paradigm Founder 100F and 70LCR Speaker Review Discussion
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 9 ม.ค. 2022
- In tonight's livestream, James Larson and Gene discuss the review we just posted on the Paradigm Founder 100F (MSRP: $5200/pair) and 70LCR speakers (MSRP: $1,700/ea). These speakers are packed with new technologies based on the Persona series but at more affordable pricing. We discuss the sound quality, build quality, and product strengths as well as some of the not so stellar measurement results of the 70LCR. We discuss the enormous potential of the waveguide approach to the coaxial driver of the 70LCR that will likely mature and be refined in time with further iterations.
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Amazing video as usual! Thank you both James and Gene. Gene, get better soon!
Was a privilege to watch these get developed while working there. Still think these are great looking. I could answer some of the unknowns that came up in this video... (Tweeter design/ cabinet brace/ etc) **having watched them built and iteration of design** ...but I was made aware very seriously... that its not my job to say or showcase. So, I hope an official rep can provide answers regarding their choice/design. I can drop names..but Im pretty sure you already know who to ask. 🙏😇
I still think(feel) the Signature s8 v3 was the best they ever made... however... Id love to see an update to the Signature style come forward with some of these newest technologies and cone/driver materials.
Kudos James/Gene. Nice presentation.
What a phenomenal video. Thank you gentlemen - I’m hooked!
I love my 100F's and my 90C, wish they could have measured the 90C vs the 70LCR to see how different they are to each other. It might help people decide if the extra $1k for the 90C is really worth it or not. These are great sounding speakers. Yes, i've heard better, and the 800Fs are closer than you would probably think given the money, but as pointed out, half of what you're buying with the Founders is the fit and finish, which is absolutely spectacular.
Interesting. I want to audition them to compare the founders and the premier. I agree the Founders are gorgeous, but I'm also curious which speakers you liked better.
Great review. Would love to see the same about the 120H's!
Great review. I just received the exact speakers you reviewed.
I just got my 80f’s and those speakers are amazing. Can’t wait till I upgrade to the 100f soon.
Agree completely. 80f's are the right size for my room.
Keep these longer form live streams up. Do not shorten!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I was about to order some Arendale 1723S & then saw these. The LCR Founder grabbed my attention but are slightly more expensive. Totally interested in this critique. Thx for the review Aholics guys!
Exactly the same for me!
@@pn9120 I'm not familiar with that brand at all. Are there reviews & stats out there?
@@pn9120 Thx for the info; I'll check them out. What else (speakers) have you owned?
Mine should be installed this week. Super excited
Great episode!
If you are running dual 16" subs, is is there any reason to get the Founder 120 H, or is the 100F enough? ( currently using Paradigm Studio 100s v4)
great video.............speaking of Paradigm, Any thoughts on the Studio 40 v4 if you can remember those?
Question: are these an upgrade from the Revel F208?
I was interested to hear you say that you paired the 500c with the 800fs. I just purchased the 600c to go with the 800f and you have me questioning my decision. Is there a major reason you went with or would recommend the 500c over the 600c?
Thank you
Have you guys compared this to the b&w 702?
Question about Founders 70..center.
I have at moment prestige 75f front speakers and trying a SVS ultra center..
The SVS sounds stellar, and lively like the prestige speakers.
That being said, would the founder 70 be better than SVS? or worse with off axis responce and less crisp.
Want to make the right decision.. 😁
Thanks
I wonder if the price difference for the Founders series is worth it over the Premier. You could buy a pair of 800F and the 600C for the same price as a pair of 100F and still probable have money left over to buy a subwoofer.
*The 70LCR appears to be a superb fit for Audio Mixing & Master application! I wonder, "other than the need for a sub, how does the 70LCR stand up to the Polk Audio R700?*
Founder series is a sweet looking speaker, but aesthetics aside, does it sound noticeable better than the Premiers?
Gene was asking does the treble sound the same as the 100f so in your experience was that a yes or no I would like to know .. he didn’t answer the question
Do I need to buy two REL S812 to my Founder 120H stereo ? Thank you. ( actually I have 5.2 system two 15'' REL HT series , and somewhere on the way truck with new speakers pair of 120H ,90C, and pair 80F for surround , using processor Anthem AVM-70, Anthem 525 -2Gen. Amp.)
I heard the 800fs and the 100fs at a dealer....to me the 100fs were so much better I couldn't buy the 800fs. Trust me I would have preferred spending less. But knowing how good the 100fs were I went with them and the 90c. The dealer was fantastic and I got a great discount which really made it a no brainer. I couldn't be happier!! If these are on your list find a good friendly dealer.
Glad to hear this considering the price difference. I will try to compare the Premier 800F and Founder 100F at my home next month to see if I match your findings.
@@Audioholics please make a short video on your thoughts when you compare them. Would love to see it! You guys are awesome!!
I see the 8000SE are in for review. I'm enjoying these speakers. I'll look for the review.
Dsp8000?
when your place the subwoofers against the wall what is the optimal phase alignment with the main speakers woofers distance? you prefer to have them out of phase ? ideally the woofers in the main drivers should be.
You need to measure at the listening area with the subs and mains playing simultaneously. I use wavelets in REW to time align them and of course confirm with amplitude response measurements.
I have pair of the Premier 800F speakers and I love them and they are a good value at there price point..I auditioned a pair of Founder 80F for the weekend. They sounded great but the 80F are just one level above the 800F speakers. Both Premier and Founders are great speakers!!!
Interesting, so would you say the 800F are a better value, or is the 80F or even 100F worth the massive price increase? Do the 800F have a big enough sound for an exciting home theater setup if a couple of subs are added?
@@tbone8876 Could take them home to try them out? Best way..
Wonder how these towers compare to the KEF R11
Interestingly , if you compare series Stidio 100v.5 & series founder 100f ,what is better ?
I would LOVE to hear opinions on this as well!!!!
Sorry to hear you have CVD, hopefully the symptoms remain mild for you, and likewise for your friends and family.
I love that James will not compare specific speakers against each other unless he's listening to them in an A and B format. And done very recently. Smart because otherwise it's all nonsense. A human's audio memory is very poor even James's and he knows this.🤔😉😇 I can't stand when I see people comparing sound profiles from speakers of years past.🧐
I agree, nicely worded Big Jay
@@Wozzaatwozza 🤗😇
A speaker cabinet is surely only there to contain the negative phase of speaker cone motion. Isn't a free air driver an ideal? Look at the extremes of the concept 500s and decoupling. I don't understand the negativity around paradigm's approach. Would you criticise monitor foam wedges? Isoacoustics business model?
Back in the day I lusted after the studio series but now that I have the cash I just can't spend thousands on speakers with such weird treble, messed up directivity index, and overall frequency response tilted in the wrong direction. Perhaps too much of the total effort was spent on creating that tsunami of nonsense marketing terms.
How would you compare these to the Focal Aria 936"s
Серия Aria,это не уровень Founder, их можно сравнивать с серией Studio.
Unfortunately these are out of my price range. Can anyone with personal experience recommend towers for 2 channel listening CDs TV? I currently have an older 90 watt per channel Yamaha AVR which will upgrade in the future. My budget is no more than $2000 pair.
JBL , pretty much any JBL , should cost way more for their power and quality but always cheap , svs pretty much the same .
. I have 5.2 JBL studio , for eight years , this Thursday will arrive Paradigm Founders 120h, 90C,80F ... using Anthem AVM 70 and Anthem 525-2 Gen.
id love to see the crossovers . Angle grinder anyone ?
Your floor has a lot more mass than your speakers, but you found that isolating a speaker or subwoofer from the floor had an effect. We would assume Paradigm isn't just wasting money on this and they proofed it as useful. It's not something you can see for marketing purposes so it's a pretty useless expense if it isn't doing something. Probably, it's tuned to some frequencies that the cabinet is most naturally excited at.
After watching the video I feel that James was holding back what he really feels about the 100f .. when you asked him how they compare to persona 5h he couldn’t remember but the video a month ago he clearly said he likes the premier 600f more then the persona .. Gene when listen to the 100f you easily give them 5/5 I’m sure of that :) having the 100f for about a month now which are bi amped with Yamaha RX Z11 along with 2 prestige 1000SW set the subs in stereo mode i find the setup absolutely amazing !! Before I could hear the bass coming from back corner or in the front but now I can’t tell where the bass is coming from 😱😎 I have to say the 100f is the perfect sound in my setup .
Have you ever compared the Founder 100F with the Premier line? Just curious.
The Founder is way supérior, only technology level speaking.
I almost went with the founders series towers and big center channel. I instead decided to pay almost triple the price and get the big focus SE and Marquis HD by Legacy audio. After about 15 years of audio buying and selling and upgrading and on and on and on. I've had so many different high end speakers. The Legacys are it for me. They've thoroughly scratched every upgrade itch I've ever had. Well worth the journey.
New to your videos, just seeing the speaker up on a stand in the backyard. Why outside?
It simulates anechoic measurements.
It's so that he can get accurate frequency measurements with no interference from sound reflecting from walls or the ground.
I know why it got a lower review .. cause the second pair I got sounds like your review . First pair way more clearer better sound stage which explains why soundstage hifi gave it it a better review .. sound like you got my second pair sound speaker ..
man... what's with the intro? had to lower the volume big time
wakes you up :)
Agree. Dislike that about many attention getting gimmicks.
Midrange driver needs a larger voice coil to make room for tweeter mounting shaft in pole piece.Speaker driver decoupling was a fad popular in the 1980/90's that went away.Don't agree with it.If your driver is free to vibrate forward and backward while playing there must be some interference with the wave they produce.
Yes u said that in the discussion
Gene....covid AGAIN! Wish you good health and fast recovery!
Isn’t this the second time you’ve had covid?
Sadly yes and almost 2 years after the first time!
Interesting comment at the beginning that the technically recorded measurements are quashed by the brains measurements. Hmmm sounds like an OC psychologist needs to conduct an assessment of the assessment process. I’m am being playful and honest at the same time, I love the Audioholics team. Here’s the comment from 1:04 “Some of the measurements look bad on paper, but don’t necessarily translate to bad sound … and if you don’t interpret the measurements carefully and what the measurements mean you could a wrong representation of the product and think the product is garbage.” & “And you can only discern so much from reading a graph …”. I agree with all these comments and applies to many different sciences. Therefore what is a scientific way to measure consistently what is garbage and what is not? Maybe Audioholics needs to create an assessment process that filters out garbage from non garbage that all reviews can be equally compared. This is a time of global reform on equally lol.
For example, a B&W 801 feels different t then a B&W 800 when played at the same volume. 1x 15” per speaker of direct bass in stereo feels different than 2x 10” woofers per speaker.
How do we eliminate the brains opinion vs the measured science? Do you need new measurement tools or do you need to create a different type of report?
I love the reviews, this is a challenge to raise the game and come up with a revised way to report. That might mean new measurement software that allows one to extract the graphs and graphically change the format into visually des playing data that’s reliving vs not. Eg coloured charts that mark out non-audible sounds so the reader sees that those measurements are garbage and not to be considered. I don’t know the process, just looking for the result.
Oh and my wife in the other room says .., lol.
Thanks James, keep up the good work!
More Covid. 3 vax's as well I would assume. 🤯
No only had two, was scheduled for the booster which will now have to wait 6 weeks.
You know, I don't really care if someone likes a speaker or they don't as that's a matter of personal taste. But when a guy questions or criticizes something they know nothing about either the design purpose or the actual effect that always bothers me. James whining about the decoupling method is just foolish for a man of such otherwise technical competence. Does it make a difference? I don't know and he doesn't know. But Paradigm thinks it does. So, either ask them for their measurements that show it's value or perform your own tests to see if you can discern a difference. Otherwise just move on.
You guys forgot to show the midbass drivers of the 40b and 80f 😮 Amateurs…
Idiotic comment. This was a review of the 100f. The qritten review has full analysis of both models with images if you hqve the attention span to read.
Good luck finding a more thorough objective review than what we published.
@@Audioholics Surfing on the brand name guys, a little more rigorously done vids would be awesome. Never said it was bad, just that you guys have the potential to even do better. Also, the idiotic comment was done sarcastically not to be taken on first degree.
James is majoring in minoring things by complaining about the blue screw 😂. Relax man. It looks cool and has a functional use.
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