I had a game where my players walked in on session one (we started at level 5) as 2 conquest paladins and 3 war clerics. They spent like half the time chanting DEUS VULT. God that was a fun group.
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Because of how 5e changed dying, when someone's bleeding out on the floor you can give them 1hp and they're up again. That's why lay on hands is pretty handy.
meh, healing word for that is better because you can do it from range. lay on hands is better though for ensuring someone gets exactly as many hit points as they need to have vs relying on dice rolls and hoping you give them enough. giving them just 1 hp is a bit of a dick move, especially if the enemies are up next in the initiative before the person you just healed can even get off an attack.
However it can mean that saving one or two hp comes in really handy when you just want to get someone on their feet. I'm not going to have a full reserve and give someone one hp. Unless they displease me, in which case teabagging.
eh, it costs an action and has a range of touch so I disagree. LoH is better dumped all at once if you use it in combat, because every turn you revive someone with 1 hp is a turn you don't smite the thing that's killing your ally in the first place.
im not genocidal im just killing evil forces, its not my fault all orcs are evil from birth. so you see i was simply preventing death of innocence in the future by burning all those huts full of infant orcs see.
Here's something fun: multiclass your Paladin with Hexblade Warlock, take Oath of Conquest and Blade Pact, get Paladin to level 11 for Improved Smite. You are now Darth Vader.
or oath of vengence with tunnel fighter fighting style, with any form of warlock (but preferably pact of blade and patron of The fiend, take a polearm and the 3 feats, polearm mastery, sentinel and war caster and you'll be the bane of anything melee as you taunt at them while smacking them away and eldritch blasting them back
you dont even need str for that multiclass as hexblade lets you hit with charisma, so you can go cha, dex and use medium armor, that way you can sneak (for heavy armor you need 13 or 15 str)
If you get to level 5 Warlock you can pick up Eldritch smite, which lets you automatically knock prone any target Huge or smaller. When a frightened target is within your Conquest aura, it's speed is reduced to 0, which means a frightened target that is knocked prone within 10 ft of you *cannot stand up*. So not only can you do 10d8+Xd6+13 in a single hit, but every hit afterwards is made with advantage as long as the target remains frightened of you. So basically, you get a friend to cast Bestow Curse on an adult dragon, you frighten it and then smite the everloving fuck out of it. It's laid out on the ground and you and your party surround and pound it.
My guy treats it as a defibrillator...he rubs his hands together, crackling electricity, and shouts "Clear!" before zapping allies back into conciousness. It makes it funnier, therefore better...especially when he does it on himself.
Cursed Ring of Invisibility: Grants the wearer invisibility, but the curse is that the wearer is subjected to dominate person once for every 24 hours with the ring on. Start the DC at 5 and add 1 level every week in possession. The user also gets disadvantage to scrying related saving throws.
Like Billy Jack or Caine in Kung Fu; sure they're supposed to be all hippy-dippy love pacifists, but you watch them because you want to see them pushed too far and start kicking serious ass.
Boom...that is exactly the style I'm going for currently...the whip is a re-styled Morningstar Whip, which smites on impact...he wears a breastplate to maintain mobility & stealth. And with Hunter's Mark & Vow of Enmity, he does not want for damage...even when switching to range occassionally. It's amazing, because it creates a paladin who isn't necessarily bogged down by heavy armor.
My friends; "I'm gonna play an elf rogue. "Dwarven fighter." "Human Cleric." Me (as Sabaton gets louder and louder); "HUMAN PALADIN DEUS VAULT! *THY WILL BE DONE!* "
GAVE THEIR LIVES SO BOLDLY!!! I wrote a dnd chapter based on Last Stand and will probably use it as the collective backstory for every Paladin and Cleric I make
Have you actually played paladin? Divine smite is one of the strongest abilities. It's not an action or a bonus action. You can use it as many times as you want untill your fuel runs out. Paladins actually have the highest DPS using divine smite.
Vengeance Pally/War Cleric combo = I can Smite ALL DAY! My Smites are with Advantage against THAT guy! Oh, I have several rounds where I can get an EXTRA Smite!
He didnt say that Divine Smite was bad, but that the smiting spells available to the Paladin overshadow it, thanks to the bonus damage and the rider effects. Of course, those spells need to be used BEFORE you find out if you hit, and are concentration. The standard Divine Smite is an excellent way of using your spell slots to the best of their ability, ESPECIALLY IF YOU GET A CRIT. Like nothing will feel greater than unleashing up to 10d8 radiant damage in one mighty blow with a 5th level spell slot!
@@BigBoi237 Yeah, but he's not right. No Smite spell has the same damage as a pure Divine Smite of that spell level, and the extra effects are only sometimes worth it. Wrathful Smite is obviously incredible if you're Conquest, and Thunderous Smite can be great for some crowd control, but they're not generally worth the bonus action and concentration cost, in my opinion. However, if you KNOW you're going to hit the guy (if he's paralyzed, for instance), and you don't have another feature that eats your bonus action (like Great Weapon Master), throwing on a Smite spell before you hit and THEN tacking on a regular Divine Smite can deal some crazy damage.
The real trick for Divine Smite is only using it when you crit, since you get to decide whether to use it or not after the attack roll, and then you get the smite damage doubled also.
In terms of differing roles/archetypes for vengence and conquest, the former is much more oriented towards single target damage, picking out and hunting down the most dangerous foe in each encounter, GWM face smashing with advantage from their cd, and unloading brutal smites on lucky crits. In contrast, the latter lets damage take a back seat to crowd control and tanking groups of weaker enemies, using their spell slots to inflict the frighten condition rather than smiting for massive damage, and carrying a shield rather than a great sword to minimize the chances of losing concentration on 'Fear' or the like to a lucky hit. In practice they play and feel completely different, and in fact can make for a tremendous tag team. Philosophically, they're also further removed from each other than they might first appear, with vengeance paladins punishing misdeeds after the fact, while the conqueror takes a more proactive approach, dominating potential evildoers through force of arms potentially even before they've done anything wrong, which is of course a much more morally dubious philosophy. Then again, those crushed under a conquest paladins thumb tend to come out of the experience a lot more alive than those who face the vengeance paladin's "justice", so there's plenty of morally grey edgelord goodness to go around.
I do really like the Conquest Paladin, and its closest cousin really is the Redemption Paladin (though Redemption Paladins especially might argue with that analysis). Conquest Paladins aren't about dispensing justice or fixing problems, they're about avoiding problems all together. A Good aligned Conquest Paladin is there to build a world where darkness doesn't thrive, even if it means dragging a few fools into the future by force. Where as Redemption Paladins offer a chance for goodness to those who might take it, Conquest Paladins put a jackboot and a blade to the throats of those who would refuse that kind opportunity and offer them a choice: "Get your bloody act together, or see it come to a swift and ugly end." If you want to change the world, you need the carrot _and_ the stick. Honestly, might make for a pretty good buddy-cop campaign.
I would say that Conquest pally dishes out no less damage. His 20 level power just begs you to lose the shield, pick up the two-hander and smear the blood of heathens all over you - while they helplessly whack at you with spells and strikes, dealing pitiful damage.
I think it's more about how the paladin is a relatively simple build, but still does a lot of diverse stuff. The player is introduced to combat, spellcasting, and non-combat social encounters (High charisma and social skills). The Oath is also a good roleplaying "hook" for someone new to acting out a character. That said...barbarians are hella fun. :-)
The best part of the Conquest Paladin is that you can cast SPIRITUAL WEAPON from the Cleric spell list. As if I needed more damage to scare my enemies.
I don't know why everyone gets so focused on the plants with the Oath of the Ancients. The tenants are more about happiness, and being good, despite the laws and such. All kinds of stuff about protecting happiness, and enjoying art and laughter, etc. It's why I picked it for my anti-Punisher character (basically taking a Punisher-like backstory, but making him have to remain positive and look at the positive in the world, instead of just slaughtering everyone). Holy shit, Samwise Gamgee is an Oath of the Ancients paladin.
Kaiju2296 my Paladin, sworn to the Oath of Vengeance, deviates HEAVILY from the bog standard Paladin route. For starters, DEX is her highest stat AND it’s fully capped as well, meaning unlike all the other tanky ass Paladins of yesteryear, she’s incredibly mobile, even with a Greatsword on her back, which is further helped by Acrobatics and the Martial Adept feat. CON, as a trade off, is her lowest stat.
Personally I like ancients pally the most. My second ever dnd character was an ancients pally who was just a bored noble who started adventuring solely for fun and stumbled into becoming a paladin of the goddess of joy, Lliira.
My first char was a ancient goblin who couldn't stop laughing, and he had a stick of laughing that made people laugh. that was fun. I also stopped a tpko with aura of warding or whatever it's called
I play a Pathfinder Paladin that, if it were 5e, would be an Ancients paladin. He worships the god of community and family Erastil, and is one of my favorite tabletop characters I've played in recent memory
The difference between Vengeance and Conquest is that Vengeance turns edgy when their sworn enemy is in sight whereas Conquest is edge all day all night.
I love how sheer a contrast the oaths can make within the same class. I have my tiefling redemption paladin who’s just a big huggable marshmallow with a warhammer. And then there’s my human vengeance paladin who’s basically Soldier 76 combined with The Warden.
Fun note: Divine Smite can stack on top of other Smite spells and while it uses spell slots, you don't have to cast it. You can simply add it on top of a successful hit.
Thunderous Smite is 2D6 and concentration, vanilla smite is X+1d8 where X is your spell level, plus 1D8 against bad stuff. Thunderous smite sucks. Wrathful smite on the other hand is amazing.
Not sure where you got this information from. Divine (Vanilla) Smite does 1d8+weapon damage, not spell slot. Higher spell slots increase the damage by 1d8 per spell level, which means that you'll do (on average) higher damage with Thunderous Smite until you use Divine Smite at 5th level (assuming you aren't fighting undead, in which case Divine Smite wins out overall, but I don't put much stock into very situational things like that). This also isn't taking into account the added benefit of TSmite, which knocks someone 10 ft away AND knocks them prone. The push positions your enemies into favorable positions (or knocks people into people) and the prone makes melee weapons much easier to land. Also, the concentration is just a formality, since the ability is a bonus action, meaning you can literally use the power right after casting it.
No, it does 2D8 (Average 9) + weapon at 1st level. + 1 D8 per higher spell level capping at 4th level. It's just easier to say XD8 where X equals the spell level +1(Plus another 1 against undead/fiends, plus another 1 at level 11). PHB pg 85: Divine Smite. Thunderous Smite does a mere 2D6 (7 average) damage, and breaks the concentration on your Shield Of Faith/Bless. If you want to control the battlefield Wrathful smite does a mere 1D6 less damage, but Frightens the target. The end condition is where it gets nasty. In order to end it the creature must 1. Make an action, 2. to make a wisdom *check* (Check, not save, so no proficiency since no skill is listed, and no advantage on saves for resistant creatures) against your spell DC. Creatures who can see the source of their fear have disadvantage on attacks and checks.
Right, checked the rules, we were both wrong on our initial statements about the damage of Divine Smite, it is indeed 2d8. :p However, to say "a mere" on 2 less damage is a bit hyperbolic, especially when you use the same phrase to pass off Wrathful Smite doing significantly less damage as less of an issue, but I digress. Thunderous Smite trades a small amount of damage (between 2-4 points at 1st level) for the ability to forcefully move an enemy, giving them only half their movement on the next turn, and potentially not even allowing that turn to arrive if the players kill it, which they now have a better chance of doing. Also, the forced movement could push people into environmental effects and move them out of position for other combat benefits. Given that this heavily benefits your allies instead of just disabling an opponent AND it still does similar (albeit less) damage to Divine Smite, I find Thunderous Smite to be incredibly worth it. Also, all spell smite spells use concentration. That is, admittedly, a point in Divine Smite's favor, but if it detracts from the appeal of Thunderous Smite, it also detracts from Wrathful Smite. Really, all of the smite spells are made to have added effects that aid in battle rather than just doing straight damage, and there's nothing stopping you from using a smite spell one turn and using bless/shield on the next (outside of smite spells that continue their power past the current turn, like wrathful smite does). For my own paladin, I've found that the benefits of Thunderous Smite outweigh the benefits of other spells on a semi-constant basis, and that just means that I use it whenever I feel like and I cast shield of faith when it becomes necessary, at which point I'd use Divine Strike instead (or not, since consuming spell slots that rapidly as a paladin is a recipe for disaster). Either way, Divine Strike is good in a pinch, but I'd rather use something that my allies can easily springboard off of.
I was right on my initial statement, I just phrased it badly. The difference is that Thunderous Smite is just a shove and some damage, whereas Wrathful is an amazing control spell that can protect you and your allies. Also Prone penalizes all your ranged allies. (And polearms for some stupid reason) If you use the shove rules a lot, Thunderous just becomes a waste of good spell slots. Also, you can layer a smite spell onto a vanilla smite if you really want to pile on the dice. Combine this with a paralysis effect like a buddy's Hold spell for an auto crit and the dice really pile up. At endgame a crit with a level 4 smite and a Banishing Smite against something unholy will do 2W+Mod + 14D8 radiant + 10D10 force. Assuming a D8 weapon and 20 Str, that's an average of 132 damage. Make that fiend asplode.
Gabriel Russell Nothing you said makes Thunderous Smite worse than the others. Thunderous Smite is good for moving enemies and setting up for party killshots. All the smites are situational while regular Divine Smite is the most damage efficient.
Conquest paladins can scare someone into staying still, then knocking them over so they can’t get up. Once you do this, proceed to repeatedly smack them from 10 feet away with your glaive with advantage.
Robert Bourbon You only get advantage from 5 foot away and get disadvantage from any other range. Though if they only have 5 foot range you can move away and let leave them until you deal with the rest.
A lot of people talk about the oath of the ancients as if it is odd or out of left field. But there is, quite literally, more historical and mythological basis for this archetype than any other. I is a D&D reimagining of the arthurian legend of the green knight wherein a knight on emerald green steps forth from the deep forests (Presumably the feywilds) to test the courage, honor, and chivalry of mortals. In this story the green knight challenges a mortal knight to strike him in whatever way he chooses and in exactly 1 year the green knight would return to do the same to him. The knight being cocky, lops the green knight's head clean off, but might to his surprise, the green knight simply picks up his head and puts it back on. The knight becomes terrified and tries to run away, but in the end, resigns himself to his fate and returns. As reward for facing his inevitable death and being honorable and courageous, the green knight spares his life, stopping his blade just shy of striking him down as he swings it, but not stopping before he leaves a cut upon the man's neck as a mark of his almost cowardice and original attempts to run away.
Other oath of redemption Paladins: “Let’s avoid violence” My oath of redemption paladin: “If you break a Nazi’s arm, they have 50% less arms to do Nazi shit with”
Most Lawful Good Paladins: "Criminals should be brought in, to be judged by a fair court." My Lawful Good Paladin of the God of Family: "I am the court, and I sentence this pedophile to life imprisonment in the FUCKING GROUND"
Now if only we could get a full on Bardian Oath. Maybe an Arcane Oath for those slightly less divinely inspired. Me Between Devotion, Redemption, and Ancients I'm happy. But those two above are probably the two that would be the nicest to see in the future.
I was a forever DM, and my first full-time character as a Player was a Paladin. I’ve never looked back since, and Paladin is now my favorite class of all time.
Fun thing about Divine Smite: it does NOT cost any type of action. So you could cast Thunderous Smite as a bonus action, and then activate Divine Smite. That´s 2d8 thunder damage, at least 2d8 radiant damage and whatever damage you do with your weapon. Paladins can one-shot bosses at low levels...
My current character is an Oath Of Vengeance Paladin/Zealot Barbarian multiclass that proclaims himself as ‘The Gods’ Holy Judge’, using his massive maul to crush all that is truly evil in the world: fiends, undead, and the like. I know that it might not be the most practical combination of classes, but goddamn, he is SO cool and fun to play! DEUS VULT, INFIDEL!
I am using a reskinned version of the Treachery Paladin to fit a Chaotic Good Robin Hood paladin, it's working well so far. It's interesting what a change in name alone can do for a theme.
I'm playing my first session ever and one of my party members is a dragonborn paladin who wants nothing more than to be the stereotypical goody two shoes paladin, but she also likes to hit things *really* hard. She's adorable and I love her One time we were exploring a haunted house, our Kenku thief was too busy grave robbing to care about the spooks, my character is a warlock and her patron is a great old one so she was basically "oh wow ghosts, how terrifying. It's almost like staring into the face of madness except it's not because I know exactly what that's like". So our paladin was the only one who was scared and she was internally quaking in her boots but refused to show it, falling back on her instincts she rolled to Intimidate...the house. But she gets a nat 20, so the house shudders and we got 20 minutes of normalcy while the house got its bearings
Entertaining, educational, AND succinct. Bravo! I first played D&D as a paladin in a homebrewed 3.5 monstrosity. I look at the 5E builds and wish I could retcon them into my memory of that game.
I always get this video on my recommended page, and since that's the fastest way to check up on your channel I click on this video. Let me tell you, the amount of times I have heard you chant "deus vult" is amazing.
Here's a hot tip for all you aspiring Deus Vult Conquest Paladins out there. Fear something. Knock it prone. Laugh because it is literally so terrified of you it has to essentially skip it's turn.
This is one of my two current mains for my group (I'm also playing a ranger cause that's always been my class) and my half orc oath of crown is this walking Abrams tank that also been the spine of my group in so many battles.
My first 5e character was an Oath of the Ancients Paladin. He was a Tiefling, but his mother was an Elf cleric (his father was a Tiefling sorcerer, and they were party-mates before getting married and having my character), giving him a connection to nature.
I just love the idea of the Conquest Paladin using Conquering Presence coupled with Aura of Conquest and just "hehehehehe"-ing over a bunch of dudes pissing their pants out of fear so bad their heads almost literally explode.
i know it might sound stupid, but do you think you will do (in the future maybe) a zip file with the pictures you use ? Some of them are really amazing, but i can't find them online and would live to use them for my own games ^^
"perfect new player class" Meanwhile most paladins: "No YoU cAn'T kIlL tHeM/sTeAl/DiSoBeY gOd, KiLlInG/sTeAlInG/dIsObEyInG gOd Is BaD" *proceeds to tear the group apart by the seams*
Paladin: “I shall praise Jesus and butcher heretics; I’ve run out of heretics” Devotion: The bash and flash Ancients: Druid paladins Vengeance: Kicking ass with the power God and fuck morality Crown: God at last waving the queen Redemption: Magical pacifism Conquest: DEUS VOLT DEUS VOLT DEUS VOLT DEUS VOLT DEUS VOLT
I always like playing as a Paladen it's a simple class and as stated most direction you can go is just a enhancement instead of slowly changing your path
Nonan Bro an Pretty much lol and that’s y I love it 😂 (one of my characters that I’m playing right now is one). They get some good abilities like what the conquest one gets which is the ability to use there channel divinity to frighten a group of enemies and they get Hellish rebuke as a spell which is one of my fav spells. I suggest looking into it.
The one thing that totally twisted my thoughts on the redemption paladin is how form the UA to Xan they took out the Unarmored armor class to me taking off the armor was the biggest change of all for them
I play paladin and clerics all the time I enjoy it. It always fun. My multiclass build 11 paladin and 9 cleric. It's fun having extra healing and simtes is always nice.
Lol holy crap. When he was talking about the conquest paladin, he showed the same teifling pic that im using for my conquest BBEG. Talk about a coincidence.
I had a game where my players walked in on session one (we started at level 5) as 2 conquest paladins and 3 war clerics. They spent like half the time chanting DEUS VULT. God that was a fun group.
Perturabo dear gods, please tell me you posted stories of their adventures somewhere
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the game just turn in to a war zone with tactical nuke coming down ever 2 turn
We need to hear stories!
Maybe if you spent less time DMing and more time practicing your building the emperor would have liked you more than dorn
"Justice does not catch the flu"
That should be on a shirt.
Second that.
I 3rd that
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Because of how 5e changed dying, when someone's bleeding out on the floor you can give them 1hp and they're up again. That's why lay on hands is pretty handy.
CaptainAWESOME117 Gotta hand it to you that was a nice pun.
I seriously did not notice that. If you'll excuse me, I'll go commit seppuku.
meh, healing word for that is better because you can do it from range. lay on hands is better though for ensuring someone gets exactly as many hit points as they need to have vs relying on dice rolls and hoping you give them enough. giving them just 1 hp is a bit of a dick move, especially if the enemies are up next in the initiative before the person you just healed can even get off an attack.
However it can mean that saving one or two hp comes in really handy when you just want to get someone on their feet. I'm not going to have a full reserve and give someone one hp. Unless they displease me, in which case teabagging.
eh, it costs an action and has a range of touch so I disagree. LoH is better dumped all at once if you use it in combat, because every turn you revive someone with 1 hp is a turn you don't smite the thing that's killing your ally in the first place.
Vengeance is like a crusader while Conquest is for those who see the GOD-EMPEROR OF MANKIND as their personal role model
Vengeance is for single target "screw you, now die", whilst Conquest is more of a "don't you dare resist".
Damage focus vs crowd control focus
With the right feats, you can have both. A Oath of Conquest with Sentinel is a good start for this.
Excuse me. Gods are below the almighty MAN-EMPEROR OF MANKIND. (I hope someone gets the reference)
MifuneKitsune they who don’t are sentenced to execution by bolter
@@pheonixheart1125 if the emperpr had a text to speech device
Conquest Paladin is what you get if your 5e pally takes a field trip to WH40k and spends too much time in the Imperium of Man slaughtering Orcs.
Lukos0036 slaying orcs? I think you mean heretics
That's exactly why I made my conquest paladin.
im not genocidal im just killing evil forces, its not my fault all orcs are evil from birth. so you see i was simply preventing death of innocence in the future by burning all those huts full of infant orcs see.
HERESY. BLAM.
DUES VULT
Where is your god now?!
Oh right! He's with me!
I might have to nick that if I ever play a paladin.
Amanoob105 can confirm I play paladin and I will indeed nick that.
I’m gonna make a Paladin just to say this
oh you dont need to know where your god is! cause hes right here! and hes fresh out of mercy
Here's something fun: multiclass your Paladin with Hexblade Warlock, take Oath of Conquest and Blade Pact, get Paladin to level 11 for Improved Smite. You are now Darth Vader.
or oath of vengence with tunnel fighter fighting style, with any form of warlock (but preferably pact of blade and patron of The fiend, take a polearm and the 3 feats, polearm mastery, sentinel and war caster and you'll be the bane of anything melee as you taunt at them while smacking them away and eldritch blasting them back
you dont even need str for that multiclass as hexblade lets you hit with charisma, so you can go cha, dex and use medium armor, that way you can sneak (for heavy armor you need 13 or 15 str)
If you get to level 5 Warlock you can pick up Eldritch smite, which lets you automatically knock prone any target Huge or smaller. When a frightened target is within your Conquest aura, it's speed is reduced to 0, which means a frightened target that is knocked prone within 10 ft of you *cannot stand up*. So not only can you do 10d8+Xd6+13 in a single hit, but every hit afterwards is made with advantage as long as the target remains frightened of you.
So basically, you get a friend to cast Bestow Curse on an adult dragon, you frighten it and then smite the everloving fuck out of it. It's laid out on the ground and you and your party surround and pound it.
Arctic Banana
_learn telekinesis. Learn telekinesis so fucking hard._
@@beneteus3833 incoming rules lawyering: a minimum of 13 strength is required to multiclass in or out of paladin.
i love the idea of a lawful neutral conquest paladin who is all about bringing order and law, WHETHER THEY LIKE IT OR NOT!
Judge Dredd?
The Oath of the Crown is the law and order Paladin. Conquest is the “spreading democracy” Paladin.
@@theoneandonlymichaelmccormick FOR THE REVOLUTION COMRADE
As a TH-camr I like has a saying "we are the good guys" while doing something horrible, for the greater good of course
so a cop? your idea is very boring. very.
Wait, give other people your lay on hands? Why should I give these heathens my extra pool of health points?
Oath of the common Man that's why
Well, you need SOMEONE to witness your righteous badassery while smiting your foes
My guy treats it as a defibrillator...he rubs his hands together, crackling electricity, and shouts "Clear!" before zapping allies back into conciousness.
It makes it funnier, therefore better...especially when he does it on himself.
Because my Paladin was suicidal in the past and she does not fear death anymore, nor does she want anyone else to die, so they get Healed.
Or use Lay on Hands as some extra damage on Undead.
_Sees oath of domination_
_immediately starts googling how to make the one ring in D&D_
Cursed Ring of Invisibility: Grants the wearer invisibility, but the curse is that the wearer is subjected to dominate person once for every 24 hours with the ring on. Start the DC at 5 and add 1 level every week in possession. The user also gets disadvantage to scrying related saving throws.
Haha yes! I was waiting for someone to do that
Sauron is so much a lawful evil Paladin. I love this
i once played a bad guy oath of the crown actually and used the logic "it's easy to follow the oath of the crown when you ARE THE CROWN!!"
Redemption Paladin, aka “The Passive Aggressive Paladin”.
Like Billy Jack or Caine in Kung Fu; sure they're supposed to be all hippy-dippy love pacifists, but you watch them because you want to see them pushed too far and start kicking serious ass.
High Dex+ oath of vengeance+ whip = Trevor Belmont
actually kensei monk/battle master fighter is a better fit since trevor can't use magic
Duh-duh-duh-duuuuuuhhhhh!!!
Boom...that is exactly the style I'm going for currently...the whip is a re-styled Morningstar Whip, which smites on impact...he wears a breastplate to maintain mobility & stealth. And with Hunter's Mark & Vow of Enmity, he does not want for damage...even when switching to range occassionally.
It's amazing, because it creates a paladin who isn't necessarily bogged down by heavy armor.
@@Pattabazza or Zealot Barbarian
It’s more of a flail (spiked ball and chain)
My friends; "I'm gonna play an elf rogue.
"Dwarven fighter."
"Human Cleric."
Me (as Sabaton gets louder and louder); "HUMAN PALADIN DEUS VAULT! *THY WILL BE DONE!* "
FOR THE GRACE, FOR THE MIGHT OF OUR LORD! FOR THE HOME OF THE HOLY!
COME AND TELL THEIR STORY AGAIN!
GAVE THEIR LIVES SO BOLDLY!!!
I wrote a dnd chapter based on Last Stand and will probably use it as the collective backstory for every Paladin and Cleric I make
That, frankly, sounds tedious to be around and makes me think you're potentially a Tory.
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Well I'm not a Bri'ish so no
Have you actually played paladin? Divine smite is one of the strongest abilities. It's not an action or a bonus action. You can use it as many times as you want untill your fuel runs out. Paladins actually have the highest DPS using divine smite.
Vengeance Pally/War Cleric combo = I can Smite ALL DAY! My Smites are with Advantage against THAT guy! Oh, I have several rounds where I can get an EXTRA Smite!
He didnt say that Divine Smite was bad, but that the smiting spells available to the Paladin overshadow it, thanks to the bonus damage and the rider effects. Of course, those spells need to be used BEFORE you find out if you hit, and are concentration. The standard Divine Smite is an excellent way of using your spell slots to the best of their ability, ESPECIALLY IF YOU GET A CRIT. Like nothing will feel greater than unleashing up to 10d8 radiant damage in one mighty blow with a 5th level spell slot!
@@BigBoi237 Yeah, but he's not right. No Smite spell has the same damage as a pure Divine Smite of that spell level, and the extra effects are only sometimes worth it. Wrathful Smite is obviously incredible if you're Conquest, and Thunderous Smite can be great for some crowd control, but they're not generally worth the bonus action and concentration cost, in my opinion.
However, if you KNOW you're going to hit the guy (if he's paralyzed, for instance), and you don't have another feature that eats your bonus action (like Great Weapon Master), throwing on a Smite spell before you hit and THEN tacking on a regular Divine Smite can deal some crazy damage.
The real trick for Divine Smite is only using it when you crit, since you get to decide whether to use it or not after the attack roll, and then you get the smite damage doubled also.
HERETIIIC
In terms of differing roles/archetypes for vengence and conquest, the former is much more oriented towards single target damage, picking out and hunting down the most dangerous foe in each encounter, GWM face smashing with advantage from their cd, and unloading brutal smites on lucky crits. In contrast, the latter lets damage take a back seat to crowd control and tanking groups of weaker enemies, using their spell slots to inflict the frighten condition rather than smiting for massive damage, and carrying a shield rather than a great sword to minimize the chances of losing concentration on 'Fear' or the like to a lucky hit.
In practice they play and feel completely different, and in fact can make for a tremendous tag team.
Philosophically, they're also further removed from each other than they might first appear, with vengeance paladins punishing misdeeds after the fact, while the conqueror takes a more proactive approach, dominating potential evildoers through force of arms potentially even before they've done anything wrong, which is of course a much more morally dubious philosophy. Then again, those crushed under a conquest paladins thumb tend to come out of the experience a lot more alive than those who face the vengeance paladin's "justice", so there's plenty of morally grey edgelord goodness to go around.
I do really like the Conquest Paladin, and its closest cousin really is the Redemption Paladin (though Redemption Paladins especially might argue with that analysis).
Conquest Paladins aren't about dispensing justice or fixing problems, they're about avoiding problems all together. A Good aligned Conquest Paladin is there to build a world where darkness doesn't thrive, even if it means dragging a few fools into the future by force.
Where as Redemption Paladins offer a chance for goodness to those who might take it, Conquest Paladins put a jackboot and a blade to the throats of those who would refuse that kind opportunity and offer them a choice: "Get your bloody act together, or see it come to a swift and ugly end."
If you want to change the world, you need the carrot _and_ the stick.
Honestly, might make for a pretty good buddy-cop campaign.
I would say that Conquest pally dishes out no less damage. His 20 level power just begs you to lose the shield, pick up the two-hander and smear the blood of heathens all over you - while they helplessly whack at you with spells and strikes, dealing pitiful damage.
I play an ancients-oath tiefling paladin of Lathander, and he's such a good boy.
Commander Proton Perhaps that idea is more commonplace than I thought, because that was my first serious character
paladin is the MOST new friendly class?
*cough* rage and hit stuff
Can confirm. First character was a Goliath Barbarian who wanted to be the world’s best strong man
I would say the best new player class *with magic.*
I think it's more about how the paladin is a relatively simple build, but still does a lot of diverse stuff. The player is introduced to combat, spellcasting, and non-combat social encounters (High charisma and social skills). The Oath is also a good roleplaying "hook" for someone new to acting out a character.
That said...barbarians are hella fun. :-)
Roleplaying "hulk smash!!!" Is just too boring
I was playing paladin of redemtion in a party full with psycho's and people who murder for own interest.
Protecting evil from my own party is hard!
The best part of the Conquest Paladin is that you can cast SPIRITUAL WEAPON from the Cleric spell list. As if I needed more damage to scare my enemies.
Imagine, a man tearing his way through an army, with JEREMY, THE FLYING WARHAMMER!
The first couple of seconds confirmed that this is the class i should start with
Same
PFP fits
Tries to join Davvys Discord
**remembers Is banned for confusing They're and Their and There**
I didn’t even get through the intro and I already love your content.
I don't know why everyone gets so focused on the plants with the Oath of the Ancients. The tenants are more about happiness, and being good, despite the laws and such. All kinds of stuff about protecting happiness, and enjoying art and laughter, etc. It's why I picked it for my anti-Punisher character (basically taking a Punisher-like backstory, but making him have to remain positive and look at the positive in the world, instead of just slaughtering everyone).
Holy shit, Samwise Gamgee is an Oath of the Ancients paladin.
Oath of vengeance/conquest is more Guts than any fighter could hope to be
Kaiju2296 my Paladin, sworn to the Oath of Vengeance, deviates HEAVILY from the bog standard Paladin route. For starters, DEX is her highest stat AND it’s fully capped as well, meaning unlike all the other tanky ass Paladins of yesteryear, she’s incredibly mobile, even with a Greatsword on her back, which is further helped by Acrobatics and the Martial Adept feat. CON, as a trade off, is her lowest stat.
Personally I like ancients pally the most. My second ever dnd character was an ancients pally who was just a bored noble who started adventuring solely for fun and stumbled into becoming a paladin of the goddess of joy, Lliira.
My first char was a ancient goblin who couldn't stop laughing, and he had a stick of laughing that made people laugh. that was fun. I also stopped a tpko with aura of warding or whatever it's called
I play a Pathfinder Paladin that, if it were 5e, would be an Ancients paladin. He worships the god of community and family Erastil, and is one of my favorite tabletop characters I've played in recent memory
smite the evil, smite the indifferent, smite the insufficiently good! smite makes right!
The difference between Vengeance and Conquest is that Vengeance turns edgy when their sworn enemy is in sight whereas Conquest is edge all day all night.
I love how sheer a contrast the oaths can make within the same class.
I have my tiefling redemption paladin who’s just a big huggable marshmallow with a warhammer.
And then there’s my human vengeance paladin who’s basically Soldier 76 combined with The Warden.
Now I want to make a paladin that screams "GET DUNKED ON" whenever they use smite.
AD MORTEM INIMICUS!
SALT THE EARTH, BURN THE HERETICS
TE OCCIDAM!
NO SUPERSTES!
DEUS VULT!
NON NUBIS DOMINE!
NONE CAN WITHSTAND OUR FAITH!!!
「Funny Valentine」 SAY WILL YOU STAND FOR CHRIST AND COMBAT!?
ETIAM! MARS DE'AUDUVAT!
Fun note: Divine Smite can stack on top of other Smite spells and while it uses spell slots, you don't have to cast it. You can simply add it on top of a successful hit.
Space marines from 40K are just sci-fi vengeance paladins, especially marine chaplains
PURGING WITH MY KIN!
This bloodshed, so surreal
You sure they aren't conquest paladins?
Thunderous Smite is 2D6 and concentration, vanilla smite is X+1d8 where X is your spell level, plus 1D8 against bad stuff.
Thunderous smite sucks.
Wrathful smite on the other hand is amazing.
Not sure where you got this information from. Divine (Vanilla) Smite does 1d8+weapon damage, not spell slot. Higher spell slots increase the damage by 1d8 per spell level, which means that you'll do (on average) higher damage with Thunderous Smite until you use Divine Smite at 5th level (assuming you aren't fighting undead, in which case Divine Smite wins out overall, but I don't put much stock into very situational things like that). This also isn't taking into account the added benefit of TSmite, which knocks someone 10 ft away AND knocks them prone. The push positions your enemies into favorable positions (or knocks people into people) and the prone makes melee weapons much easier to land.
Also, the concentration is just a formality, since the ability is a bonus action, meaning you can literally use the power right after casting it.
No, it does 2D8 (Average 9) + weapon at 1st level. + 1 D8 per higher spell level capping at 4th level. It's just easier to say XD8 where X equals the spell level +1(Plus another 1 against undead/fiends, plus another 1 at level 11). PHB pg 85: Divine Smite.
Thunderous Smite does a mere 2D6 (7 average) damage, and breaks the concentration on your Shield Of Faith/Bless.
If you want to control the battlefield Wrathful smite does a mere 1D6 less damage, but Frightens the target. The end condition is where it gets nasty. In order to end it the creature must 1. Make an action, 2. to make a wisdom *check* (Check, not save, so no proficiency since no skill is listed, and no advantage on saves for resistant creatures) against your spell DC. Creatures who can see the source of their fear have disadvantage on attacks and checks.
Right, checked the rules, we were both wrong on our initial statements about the damage of Divine Smite, it is indeed 2d8. :p However, to say "a mere" on 2 less damage is a bit hyperbolic, especially when you use the same phrase to pass off Wrathful Smite doing significantly less damage as less of an issue, but I digress. Thunderous Smite trades a small amount of damage (between 2-4 points at 1st level) for the ability to forcefully move an enemy, giving them only half their movement on the next turn, and potentially not even allowing that turn to arrive if the players kill it, which they now have a better chance of doing. Also, the forced movement could push people into environmental effects and move them out of position for other combat benefits. Given that this heavily benefits your allies instead of just disabling an opponent AND it still does similar (albeit less) damage to Divine Smite, I find Thunderous Smite to be incredibly worth it.
Also, all spell smite spells use concentration. That is, admittedly, a point in Divine Smite's favor, but if it detracts from the appeal of Thunderous Smite, it also detracts from Wrathful Smite. Really, all of the smite spells are made to have added effects that aid in battle rather than just doing straight damage, and there's nothing stopping you from using a smite spell one turn and using bless/shield on the next (outside of smite spells that continue their power past the current turn, like wrathful smite does). For my own paladin, I've found that the benefits of Thunderous Smite outweigh the benefits of other spells on a semi-constant basis, and that just means that I use it whenever I feel like and I cast shield of faith when it becomes necessary, at which point I'd use Divine Strike instead (or not, since consuming spell slots that rapidly as a paladin is a recipe for disaster). Either way, Divine Strike is good in a pinch, but I'd rather use something that my allies can easily springboard off of.
I was right on my initial statement, I just phrased it badly.
The difference is that Thunderous Smite is just a shove and some damage, whereas Wrathful is an amazing control spell that can protect you and your allies. Also Prone penalizes all your ranged allies. (And polearms for some stupid reason) If you use the shove rules a lot, Thunderous just becomes a waste of good spell slots.
Also, you can layer a smite spell onto a vanilla smite if you really want to pile on the dice. Combine this with a paralysis effect like a buddy's Hold spell for an auto crit and the dice really pile up.
At endgame a crit with a level 4 smite and a Banishing Smite against something unholy will do 2W+Mod + 14D8 radiant + 10D10 force. Assuming a D8 weapon and 20 Str, that's an average of 132 damage. Make that fiend asplode.
Gabriel Russell Nothing you said makes Thunderous Smite worse than the others. Thunderous Smite is good for moving enemies and setting up for party killshots. All the smites are situational while regular Divine Smite is the most damage efficient.
I mean, with the peace Paladin thing, if attacking ends up hurting themselves, then that means they’ll be encouraged to stop fighting.
I'm literally crying at the vengeance paladin part. You earned that sub man
I play as a Forest Gnome Paladin of the Ancients
He’s a 3 foot person in heavy armor riding the back of a wolf
Half of the fun of scanning the comments is hearing of interesting characters like yours. That sounds great
Conquest paladins can scare someone into staying still, then knocking them over so they can’t get up. Once you do this, proceed to repeatedly smack them from 10 feet away with your glaive with advantage.
Robert Bourbon You only get advantage from 5 foot away and get disadvantage from any other range. Though if they only have 5 foot range you can move away and let leave them until you deal with the rest.
A lot of people talk about the oath of the ancients as if it is odd or out of left field. But there is, quite literally, more historical and mythological basis for this archetype than any other. I is a D&D reimagining of the arthurian legend of the green knight wherein a knight on emerald green steps forth from the deep forests (Presumably the feywilds) to test the courage, honor, and chivalry of mortals.
In this story the green knight challenges a mortal knight to strike him in whatever way he chooses and in exactly 1 year the green knight would return to do the same to him. The knight being cocky, lops the green knight's head clean off, but might to his surprise, the green knight simply picks up his head and puts it back on. The knight becomes terrified and tries to run away, but in the end, resigns himself to his fate and returns. As reward for facing his inevitable death and being honorable and courageous, the green knight spares his life, stopping his blade just shy of striking him down as he swings it, but not stopping before he leaves a cut upon the man's neck as a mark of his almost cowardice and original attempts to run away.
Other oath of redemption Paladins: “Let’s avoid violence”
My oath of redemption paladin: “If you break a Nazi’s arm, they have 50% less arms to do Nazi shit with”
Most Lawful Good Paladins: "Criminals should be brought in, to be judged by a fair court."
My Lawful Good Paladin of the God of Family: "I am the court, and I sentence this pedophile to life imprisonment in the FUCKING GROUND"
The correct course of action
Dawg paladin of vengeance is the best for a revenant character
"Where is your God now?! Oh right, HE'S WITH ME!" is one of the sickest lines ever
Now if only we could get a full on Bardian Oath. Maybe an Arcane Oath for those slightly less divinely inspired.
Me Between Devotion, Redemption, and Ancients I'm happy. But those two above are probably the two that would be the nicest to see in the future.
Protector and Scourge Aasimar are perfect for Paladin seeing as how their Aasimar form deals bonus radiant damage.
Oath of redemption looks great and really fun! But i legit fear using it because the party can straight up hate me for talking our way out of combat.
0:56 nice berserk reference
Ben Hramiak I don’t get the reference plz explain
I was a forever DM, and my first full-time character as a Player was a Paladin. I’ve never looked back since, and Paladin is now my favorite class of all time.
Fun thing about Divine Smite: it does NOT cost any type of action. So you could cast Thunderous Smite as a bonus action, and then activate Divine Smite. That´s 2d8 thunder damage, at least 2d8 radiant damage and whatever damage you do with your weapon. Paladins can one-shot bosses at low levels...
if everyone did what you said all the time, i'd never close tabletop sim
My current character is an Oath Of Vengeance Paladin/Zealot Barbarian multiclass that proclaims himself as ‘The Gods’ Holy Judge’, using his massive maul to crush all that is truly evil in the world: fiends, undead, and the like. I know that it might not be the most practical combination of classes, but goddamn, he is SO cool and fun to play! DEUS VULT, INFIDEL!
Oath of treachery will have its day lol maybe next book
I am using a reskinned version of the Treachery Paladin to fit a Chaotic Good Robin Hood paladin, it's working well so far. It's interesting what a change in name alone can do for a theme.
* *insert all power metal songs you can think of, even if they aren’t about the crusades* *
THE AMOUNT OF MEMES YOU MANAGED TO CRAM INTO A VIDEO IS UNREAL, SERIOUSLY KEEP UP THE AMAZING WORK MY DUDE
"Kick names, take ass" BLESS
"justices dose not get the flu" best. line. ever. let us crusade in the emperors name!
I'm playing my first session ever and one of my party members is a dragonborn paladin who wants nothing more than to be the stereotypical goody two shoes paladin, but she also likes to hit things *really* hard. She's adorable and I love her
One time we were exploring a haunted house, our Kenku thief was too busy grave robbing to care about the spooks, my character is a warlock and her patron is a great old one so she was basically "oh wow ghosts, how terrifying. It's almost like staring into the face of madness except it's not because I know exactly what that's like". So our paladin was the only one who was scared and she was internally quaking in her boots but refused to show it, falling back on her instincts she rolled to Intimidate...the house. But she gets a nat 20, so the house shudders and we got 20 minutes of normalcy while the house got its bearings
Entertaining, educational, AND succinct. Bravo!
I first played D&D as a paladin in a homebrewed 3.5 monstrosity. I look at the 5E builds and wish I could retcon them into my memory of that game.
I always get this video on my recommended page, and since that's the fastest way to check up on your channel I click on this video. Let me tell you, the amount of times I have heard you chant "deus vult" is amazing.
Thunderous Smite is 2d6 and take a bonus action to cast wheras the regular smite is 2d8 and you can use it WHEN you hit
Here's a hot tip for all you aspiring Deus Vult Conquest Paladins out there. Fear something. Knock it prone. Laugh because it is literally so terrified of you it has to essentially skip it's turn.
I like how you defined Lay On Hands
This is one of my two current mains for my group (I'm also playing a ranger cause that's always been my class) and my half orc oath of crown is this walking Abrams tank that also been the spine of my group in so many battles.
Lol! “The only thing scarier than a smiting paladin, is a smiting paladin that just realized that he’s late for an appointment. . . With your face...”
My first 5e character was an Oath of the Ancients Paladin. He was a Tiefling, but his mother was an Elf cleric (his father was a Tiefling sorcerer, and they were party-mates before getting married and having my character), giving him a connection to nature.
Heresy? HERESY!
I just love the idea of the Conquest Paladin using Conquering Presence coupled with Aura of Conquest and just "hehehehehe"-ing over a bunch of dudes pissing their pants out of fear so bad their heads almost literally explode.
i know it might sound stupid, but do you think you will do (in the future maybe) a zip file with the pictures you use ? Some of them are really amazing, but i can't find them online and would live to use them for my own games ^^
"perfect new player class"
Meanwhile most paladins:
"No YoU cAn'T kIlL tHeM/sTeAl/DiSoBeY gOd, KiLlInG/sTeAlInG/dIsObEyInG gOd Is BaD"
*proceeds to tear the group apart by the seams*
"Behold; a Satan!"
I just love the intro sequence, it's hilarious.
I adore the Paladin class SO much
Awesome video, I'm just starting out dnd and playing paladin. Really helpful
This channel is really underrated but it's good channel
I'm actually trying out my first paladin I'm looking forward to it
Thank you for keeping these to a digestible size! :)
I subscribed just because of the 'Justice does not get the Flue' line.
How do you not have 250k subs right now? Good shit bro.
I feel like 5e took inspiration from Monty Python's Holy Grail
Paladin: “I shall praise Jesus and butcher heretics; I’ve run out of heretics”
Devotion: The bash and flash
Ancients: Druid paladins
Vengeance: Kicking ass with the power God and fuck morality
Crown: God at last waving the queen
Redemption: Magical pacifism
Conquest: DEUS VOLT DEUS VOLT DEUS VOLT DEUS VOLT DEUS VOLT
Youre my fav d&d youtuber!
Ibrahim Y What a coincidence! I’m my fav D&D TH-camr too!
My friend wants me to play with him and I picked the paladin cuz I thought being good sounded cool so I like to hear it is recommended for beginners.
2 levels in Paladin and the rest in a full caster is my favorite multiclass because you get more spell slots to smite!
“What if we took the paladin and made it bushier?” Lololol bruuuuh!
Paladin actual guide: Just make sure that you keep shouting "DEUS VULT" and your luck will be higher than Timothy Dexter
Oath of Vengeance is just, MMMM. You go from holy boi, to a Mormon busting down your door, to then speak of the good lord.
Started playing a paladin in curse of strahd, really useful
I always like playing as a Paladen it's a simple class and as stated most direction you can go is just a enhancement instead of slowly changing your path
Oath of the Crown +whip = Indiana Jones (“it belongs in a museum!” is the 20th century equivalent of “This land belongs to the king!”
Is the oath breaker like an anti paladin
Nonan Bro an Pretty much lol and that’s y I love it 😂 (one of my characters that I’m playing right now is one). They get some good abilities like what the conquest one gets which is the ability to use there channel divinity to frighten a group of enemies and they get Hellish rebuke as a spell which is one of my fav spells. I suggest looking into it.
I like the amount of MTG art you use! Lol dope
The one thing that totally twisted my thoughts on the redemption paladin is how form the UA to Xan they took out the Unarmored armor class to me taking off the armor was the biggest change of all for them
i like the whole "fuck that guy!" one.
Your content is amazing!
I play paladin and clerics all the time I enjoy it. It always fun. My multiclass build 11 paladin and 9 cleric. It's fun having extra healing and simtes is always nice.
Plant paladin?
You mean the Knights of Ni!
4:16
YET ANOTHER BETTER RANGER
GREAT!!! Funny and informative for new players.
4:16 So basically I can be the green knight from King Author???
Excellent.
Funny thing in universe they are often called the “green knights”
Captain planet!!! (he's a hero)
While everyone else is probably arguing str vs dex paladins I laugh with medium armor mastery
Lol holy crap. When he was talking about the conquest paladin, he showed the same teifling pic that im using for my conquest BBEG. Talk about a coincidence.