I've talked to a few tuners and the other big benefit of the Race MAF is even with a stock Turbo, it makes custom tuning the car much easier and smoother. The purpose isn't to add HP or more sound. It's to smooth up the airflow and not max the sensor out at 5 volts
Really like the videos, but please fix the background music volume levels while you talk it’s quite distracting. You should be able to do this in most video editing programs.
Do you think I'd see any gain by switching from the street MAF to the race MAF on my PRL Cobra CAI running Ktuner base maps or should I just keep the street MAF housing I have...
I don't think you'd see a big enough difference to make up for the money spent. It was only a slight difference for us. But I think you probably need a larger turbo for it to make sense in this situation. The stock turbo isn't going to max out the stock maf housing. But if you think you're going to get a bigger turbo one day, you can definitely just do this first. Or you can just do it anyway if you really want! Wouldn't hurt.
My maf sencer doesn't fit in the maf housing because it's too small I just Wana know if I'm missing something or it's the wrong one cause I got the street maf housing
Is the car tuned? You can look through the device to see what map is on it. If the car isn't tuned and the car runs fine with the intake you have, then it's the street version.
My car has been running the PRL Short Ram Race MAF intake with a TSP Stage 1 race maf tune, and it seems to have lost power. It's going slower than it should. Feels like I'm intaking more air than fuel than I am supposed to. Is this normal? If not, is this an issue with the flashing or just with the intake itself?
If something changed at some point in time after installing that intake and tune, it's most likely not either one of those things. Something mechanically happened that you'll need to pinpoint, most likely. If you're saying it lost power after installing them, I would go back over your install and make sure everything is properly installed and securely fastened. If there is any post MAF leak, it would definitely cause the car to experience issues that prevent it from using all the power.
So I'm torn... 27won or this? 27won acts like a CAI but maintenance of a SRI but PRL race maf tends to get the most spot light. 27won has a airbox which to me keeping heat down is greater than airflow. If you heat soak then airflow doesn't really matter all that much?
I don't have experience with that one but just looking at it, it probably works fairly well. Unfortunately, they only sell direct to consumer so we won't be getting into testing or reviewing that product at this time. A box is 100% useful and effective though.
I feel you man. I really wanted that 27won intake. It looks really nice and very easy maintenance. Also you dont have to worry about water going in the intake. But I went and got the PRL Cobra cold air because of the race maf making more gains in my opinion and also slightly better price. I really like the 27won products though, they seem to be very high quality
@@jonathansidhu9281 it's great. I just get paranoid about it getting splashed on when it rains heavy, since it's so close to the ground. Other than that, its awesome. You can really hear the blow off sound and the turbo spool up.
Yes, that would be sick. I'm very curious about the PRL CAI. It does look more painful to install, but after installing an INJEN CAI on my 8th and an AEM CAI on my 9th, the PRL doesn't scare me. AEM had me having to removed the front bumper on the 9th just to route it properly, lol.
No particular reason. I'm not sure how easy it would be for water to get in the CAI on this car. I would need to take a look at it which I haven't done yet.
I'm thinking of getting the invidia exhaust for my 2020 si with the prl now don't think I'm going to get a bigger turbo is there a prl I can use with the stock turbo
PRL intake is fantastic. I have the SRI with the street maf and I love it. You also get a lot of turbo noise which eliminates the need to buy a BOV or spacer plate
@@Itz_JayM Cool. Thanks. Any reason for not going with others? It seems K&N comes with heat shield and PRL does not. On the other hand PRLs rubber tube against metal seems to be a wiser choice.
@@mze7101 More or less the reason would be it doesnt have any metal piping. Metal piping holds more heat which with the engine so close it will heat up the metal piping pretty fast. Silicon keeps those temps down a bit better. Temps matter more when you are bumping up the power as hotter temps can cause detonation. Also because you can buy an adapter at a later time to convert it into a cold air intake makes it really convenient.
The Street version would work on all 1.5T engines without any tuning. Bolt it on and go drive. The Race version would also fit, but you'd need to tune it for that intake with either the Hondata or KTuner, both of which work for your car.
Edge Autosport Thank you sir. I want to get the race version one. It’s the first modification I make on my car. Probably the only one because of my financial situation. If I put the race version one will the rest of my engine be fine as is. Or will I need to do more modifications?
It's tough to do that sort of testing on the dyno. We don't have nearly the airflow on the dyno that we do on the street so that's why we go hood open. Plus, we want to stay consistent with variables as much as we can. With the new hood on this car, I'm sure that we have plenty of air movement in the engine bay on this car in particular. But your point is valid.
A lot of them do, yes. Just make sure to pay attention to the titles of the parts on our site. That's where the fitment info is along with the year, make, model finder.
Only problem is, it’s made of metal and gets very hot after a few hard pulls. My buddy has one and even with his Mishimoto intercooler he is seeing his IATs are much higher than mine.
@@weekendwarriorgaragedoityo1393 Gotcha. Ya, you have to have that. The car will not function correctly and possibly won't even run without being able to tune for the different sized MAF housing.
I just installed the PRL CAI Race and yes, it does need a tune. I ran it for 2 days without a tune and the engine hiccups with your try to do a full throttle.. in fact it won’t let you. At least for me, it didn’t. Also, a check engine light came on. Once my hondata came in and I did the flash.. everything was good!
I have the prl short ram Intake race version as well, do I need to have the car tuned on ktuner to run the intake without throwing any lights on my dash ?
I've talked to a few tuners and the other big benefit of the Race MAF is even with a stock Turbo, it makes custom tuning the car much easier and smoother. The purpose isn't to add HP or more sound. It's to smooth up the airflow and not max the sensor out at 5 volts
Y'all have the best videos on youtube for the 10th gen. you dyno/test everything that the average joe wonders about
Really like the videos, but please fix the background music volume levels while you talk it’s quite distracting. You should be able to do this in most video editing programs.
My next mod with the Prl intercooler thanks for the instructions! By the way what is your tire setup? 235/45/18?
I really like that wrap job 😍😍
Project car looks so sick
What happens if you run the PRL Race MAF intake without a tune? Will it throw a CEL? I plan on buying a KTuner but i'm just curious
It will idle rough
I have the same exhaust power exhaust does the short ram air give it better exhaust sound
Nice vid man, i have a question. So i have the street maf and Im planning to tune my car, can i do that even its not race maf?
What is the size of those wheels and tire specs of your project civic? Thanks!
18x8.5 +40, 245/40 tires
Do you need an aftermarket MAF sensor with the race maf? Or is it only when you push the car a lot more like with a bigger turbo
Civic Non SI have the same power gain from stock?
Probably very similar
Do you think I'd see any gain by switching from the street MAF to the race MAF on my PRL Cobra CAI running Ktuner base maps or should I just keep the street MAF housing I have...
I don't think you'd see a big enough difference to make up for the money spent. It was only a slight difference for us. But I think you probably need a larger turbo for it to make sense in this situation. The stock turbo isn't going to max out the stock maf housing. But if you think you're going to get a bigger turbo one day, you can definitely just do this first. Or you can just do it anyway if you really want! Wouldn't hurt.
My maf sencer doesn't fit in the maf housing because it's too small I just Wana know if I'm missing something or it's the wrong one cause I got the street maf housing
So for the race MAF would I need a custom tune or just the ones that come with the Ktuner?
You can use the KTuner. They have an option you can select for using the PRL Race MAF without having to custom calibrate the MAF.
@@EdgeAutosport Exactly the answer I was looking for. Thank you!!
Why not just use the full CAI rather than the short ram?
Probably to try out something different from the rest. The Cobra is already tried and trued. No need to show what it can do.
Why the hell doesn’t my maf sensor fit in the whole ? Like it’s off by a lot
I bought my si with a prl cai already installed how do I tell if it’s the race or street version
Is the car tuned? You can look through the device to see what map is on it. If the car isn't tuned and the car runs fine with the intake you have, then it's the street version.
On the MAF housing it will have an R under Si if it is the Race version.
If I already have a hondata stage one tune on my car would I have to get it returned for this intake to work properly?
The Race MAF is larger and requires specific tuning for it. I know Ktuner offers specific base maps for it, unsure about Hondata sorry
My car has been running the PRL Short Ram Race MAF intake with a TSP Stage 1 race maf tune, and it seems to have lost power. It's going slower than it should. Feels like I'm intaking more air than fuel than I am supposed to. Is this normal? If not, is this an issue with the flashing or just with the intake itself?
If something changed at some point in time after installing that intake and tune, it's most likely not either one of those things. Something mechanically happened that you'll need to pinpoint, most likely. If you're saying it lost power after installing them, I would go back over your install and make sure everything is properly installed and securely fastened. If there is any post MAF leak, it would definitely cause the car to experience issues that prevent it from using all the power.
Wdym wrap doesn’t do anything??? It adds 5+ hp 😂
LOL
So I'm torn... 27won or this? 27won acts like a CAI but maintenance of a SRI but PRL race maf tends to get the most spot light. 27won has a airbox which to me keeping heat down is greater than airflow. If you heat soak then airflow doesn't really matter all that much?
I don't have experience with that one but just looking at it, it probably works fairly well. Unfortunately, they only sell direct to consumer so we won't be getting into testing or reviewing that product at this time. A box is 100% useful and effective though.
I feel you man. I really wanted that 27won intake. It looks really nice and very easy maintenance. Also you dont have to worry about water going in the intake. But I went and got the PRL Cobra cold air because of the race maf making more gains in my opinion and also slightly better price. I really like the 27won products though, they seem to be very high quality
@@jj3ff3r50n808 how are you liking the CAI
@@jonathansidhu9281 it's great. I just get paranoid about it getting splashed on when it rains heavy, since it's so close to the ground. Other than that, its awesome. You can really hear the blow off sound and the turbo spool up.
Do you need a tune for the race or can you run it without a tune??
Tunes are definitely required when you mess with MAF sizes, yeah
Prl CAI Race MAF dyno please!
We'll try to get there. We might do that after we do the turbo. Not sure yet.
Please show full install step by step with the turbo upgrade!
Yes, that would be sick. I'm very curious about the PRL CAI. It does look more painful to install, but after installing an INJEN CAI on my 8th and an AEM CAI on my 9th, the PRL doesn't scare me.
AEM had me having to removed the front bumper on the 9th just to route it properly, lol.
i wanna buy the Maf Sensor apart do they sell it?
What tune would I need? I have a Hondata would be able to run the race version? Or do I go with the street one
If the PRL Race MAF Body is not specifically listed on your tune, you will need to get a custom tune.
Why did you use this one instead of the CAI? Can you you use the COBRA intake in Denver with the snow, will water get inside
No particular reason. I'm not sure how easy it would be for water to get in the CAI on this car. I would need to take a look at it which I haven't done yet.
@@EdgeAutosport how many pounds of boost are you pushing
@@EdgeAutosport please do
I own a 2018 civic hatchback sport is there a carb legal intake that has CARB EO EXEMPT sticker that i can purchase? Thank you in advance.
I don't believe there are any at this time unfortunately. K&N typically goes after Carb certifications and last I checked, their's was not yet.
Is the prl intake oiled or dry
What boost your running . It same boost psi before and after changing intake prl.
The intake doesn't change boost.
How does this intake sound compared to the AEM? Is it louder?
Ya they sound very similar.
For a Daly driving, it’s safe to switch to the race maf?
You can use a Race Maf for daily. You just need to have a tune for it.
Ok, ty
I love your Chanel by the way
I'm thinking of getting the invidia exhaust for my 2020 si with the prl now don't think I'm going to get a bigger turbo is there a prl I can use with the stock turbo
@@yalitzacamacho5235 the intake is compatible with stock turbo
there really aren't any carb legal intakes yet huh?
I don't believe so... I think the AEM and K&N would probably be first to the table for that but I don't think they are at this point.
Does it need a ktuner after installing the prl racing intake? Cause the engine light turn on
Yes
Between the three SRI what would you recommend for Si? AEM, K&N or PRL street maf?
I would probably do the PRL.
PRL intake is fantastic. I have the SRI with the street maf and I love it. You also get a lot of turbo noise which eliminates the need to buy a BOV or spacer plate
@@Itz_JayM Cool. Thanks. Any reason for not going with others? It seems K&N comes with heat shield and PRL does not. On the other hand PRLs rubber tube against metal seems to be a wiser choice.
@@mze7101 More or less the reason would be it doesnt have any metal piping. Metal piping holds more heat which with the engine so close it will heat up the metal piping pretty fast. Silicon keeps those temps down a bit better. Temps matter more when you are bumping up the power as hotter temps can cause detonation. Also because you can buy an adapter at a later time to convert it into a cold air intake makes it really convenient.
Great video. Sounds bad ass. Would a prl cold air intake street and race version work on a 2017 automatic civic sedan ex-l?
The Street version would work on all 1.5T engines without any tuning. Bolt it on and go drive. The Race version would also fit, but you'd need to tune it for that intake with either the Hondata or KTuner, both of which work for your car.
Edge Autosport Thank you sir. I want to get the race version one. It’s the first modification I make on my car. Probably the only one because of my financial situation. If I put the race version one will the rest of my engine be fine as is. Or will I need to do more modifications?
Does it work with the hood closed tho???
It's tough to do that sort of testing on the dyno. We don't have nearly the airflow on the dyno that we do on the street so that's why we go hood open. Plus, we want to stay consistent with variables as much as we can. With the new hood on this car, I'm sure that we have plenty of air movement in the engine bay on this car in particular. But your point is valid.
Hey guys, will this fit the Canadian Si's with the windshield reservoir on the driver's side?
I do believe the short ram will fit. It's when you get the cold air version that you need to change to the USDM windshield reservoir.
@@EdgeAutosport thank you for the clarification guys. And hope everyone at Edge Autosport is staying safe and healthy
Can we also Ktune with Street PRL intake? Or it just runs with stock
Yes, definitely
is the street maf good for a stock 2019 si
Yes the Street MAF is perfect for a stock car. The Race MAF requires a tune or the car wont run.
With the street maf do you still need to tune ?
No
Question is the street prl california smog legal?
No, it is not, unfortunately. If I had to guess, it probably will never be but that's a question they'd have to answer.
Any reason to not go with the cobra cai?
Not really. We might switch later to see what we can gain. And of course, we'll make a video if we do.
Does most of the mods you showed for the si can they fit for the sport civics
A lot of them do, yes. Just make sure to pay attention to the titles of the parts on our site. That's where the fitment info is along with the year, make, model finder.
Edge Autosport thanks a bunch starting to mod my civic
@@joykiller01 Awesome! Just let us know how we can help!
Edge Autosport thanks
Should try the maperformance intake
Only problem is, it’s made of metal and gets very hot after a few hard pulls. My buddy has one and even with his Mishimoto intercooler he is seeing his IATs are much higher than mine.
Ya it does. I have the same intercooler. I wonder what it compares to prl exposed intake
Do you have to use a tune to use this type of intake?
With the "Race MAF", you do. With the "Street MAF", you don't.
Is it okay to tune just basemap?
Any alarms with the race mapping?
Like check engine lights? No.
Edge Autosport I want to buy the race cold intake but it says that it needs a tune. I don’t have ktuner or hondata
@@weekendwarriorgaragedoityo1393 Gotcha. Ya, you have to have that. The car will not function correctly and possibly won't even run without being able to tune for the different sized MAF housing.
I just installed the PRL CAI Race and yes, it does need a tune. I ran it for 2 days without a tune and the engine hiccups with your try to do a full throttle.. in fact it won’t let you. At least for me, it didn’t. Also, a check engine light came on. Once my hondata came in and I did the flash.. everything was good!
Storm trooper SI sorryano you can get the street maf that doesn’t NEED a tune but still highly recommended to have Ktuner or Hondata
Fake news
Should try the maperformance intake
I have the prl short ram Intake race version as well, do I need to have the car tuned on ktuner to run the intake without throwing any lights on my dash ?