Modern wiring vs 50s wiring on a Gibson Les Paul Standard 50's
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- Comparing the the modern vs the 50s wiring on my 2004 Les Paul
50's wiring executed with 500k CTS log pot and 0,022 uF TAD Orange Drop caps
With the OD engaged I forgot to record the variations acting on the volume pot with the nick pickup and the modern wiring... when I realized it was too late.
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Gibson Les Paul Standard 50's 2004 with Burstbucker PRO PU
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This is the most underrated Guitar video on youTube
I liked the video, thank you for doing that. I don't have a favorite, but I got to see side by side what they sound like in different settings. Well done.
I inherited my fathers '58 burst Les Paul and subjectively speaking, I love my modern Les Paul 1000x more. It sounds better, feels better, plays better..everything about it is better with the exception of value and rarity.
I have to say after a few weeks I'm missing the modern wiring tone, especially for overdriven tone
I suppose I would be gentleman enough to take that 58' off your hands. Ill offer to pay shipping and throw in $100 bucks for your trouble.
lol
@@lorenzo-marra why in relation to the overdriven tone?
@@lorenzo-marra why in relation to the overdriven tone?
@@mbach1187 I think it's one of the keypoint. 50's wiring keeps all the high frequencies when you turn down your volume, I found this really usefull when you want to switch from dirt to clean just turning down the volume, same from crunch to lead turning it up. Someome could appreciate a darker clean tone though, it depends
Great experiment thank you for posting it. Please consider doing greasebucket wiring to the humbuckers at sometime in the future. Would love to hear what the Burstbucker pros sound like with that wiring.
I like the modern wiring in almost every case. It does take dailing in though
Thanx for sharing 👍👍
Hey great video man! I just got my first humbucking guitar in a 2004 Heritage H535 and had pots and wiring upgraded to 50s style. There are things I dig so far, but other parts are taking a little bit getting used to. For example, the tone knobs don't seem to make a very noticeable impact until maybe the last quarter turn of the knob to where it finally darkens and muffles the tone. I typically like to work my tone knobs so that when my sound is maybe too spikey for a solo, I can round it off a little, but now it seems like I have to turn the tone nearly off completely to darken the sound. It sounds like this may be normal based on your demo but what do you think?
Also when in the middle position, it seems like if both volume are on 10, I get the sound of both pickups working together. However, if I back the neck volume down to even 8.5-9, it seems like the bridge completely takes over and is nearly the same tonality as if I just select the bridge pup alone. Same is true for rolling down the bridge volume just a tiny bit while in the middle, the neck tonality just takes over. Is this normal too? It seems like a much more "specific" sweet spot as opposed to really being able to blend as much of the neck or bridge as you want across the sweep. In the middle position, I typically like to blend the pups especially to get that cool Warren Haynes solo sound of the bridge pup, but fattened/warmed up just enough by blending the neck pickup.
Are all these things normal and I am just needing to get more used to them, or would you say something is off? Thanks a lot, cheers!
I'd say it could be normal due to the different behavior of the new pots, maybe it only needs some time to get used to... I can't remember how mine works and now I can't check it out, honestly I generally keep all tones open or smoothed a little bit...
@@lorenzo-marra Thanks for the feedback man! You're probably right that I just need to spend more time with the new setup to get used to it. I'm gonna give it some more time before doing anything else. Thanks again, cheers!
But in the 50s wiring case,use the 500k pot,this is the one reason that it heart more brighter
Generally the 500k is meant the way to go with humbuckers, so I decided to build the 50s wiring with 4 500k log pots. As I found the tone to be much more brighter than I will ever use, instead of keeping the tone pot always at 7ish, I decided to step back to 300k log for volume... as soon as I find the time to swap the pots I'll make a part 2 video.
Why did they change it? I'm just curious
Looks like I should try the 50s wiring. Great presentation of the material. Do you work in a technical field?
Thank you! Well I'm an architect and I'm taking a second degree in civil engineering, still a technician but not properly in the electrical field, eheh. I'm torn at the moment between 50s and modern, sometimes I feel that I'm missing something and the next day I love the guitar as it is... I guess it's normal, eheh
@@lorenzo-marra Yes, I could tell by your presentation, very logical and clearly presented. Nothing ventured nothing gained on the change, you can always change it back at some later time. The 50s seemed to have more versality and perhaps clearer tone.
I thought the new standards had 50s wiring??
The 50's wiring keeps the top end better
FYI you have your bridge backwards, it’s not an ABR it’s a Nashville and was slotted at Gibson the other way around so your spacing and intonation will take a long time to be spot on unless you turn it back around. It’s not simply an aesthetic thing. But, over time it’ll wear in accordingly and with it being 18yrs old already if you flipped it back in 04 when it was new it’s probably fine by now. If was a recent change you may want to flip it back, up to you. But, to each their own I’m simply pointing out it’s not an ABR, was slotted the other way around and recommend changing it back, just my opinion. Nothing inherently wrong with it outside of potentially minor string spacing and intonation changes/issues. In regards to the video content I took the tiny ceramic capacitors out of my Gold Top and put Emerson(Originals were made by Sprague and are a little longer) Bumblebees in instead and it sounds absolutely incredible, the difference is night and day.
Yup, that's totally a Nashville one, flipped to get easier access to saddle screws. It's been years I flipped it and it seems to have found its eq. Bumblebees are the next in line for future upgrades.
Cheres!
@@lorenzo-marra that’s awesome! I promise you’ll love the Bumblebees they make a pretty significant difference in tone. Be well!
The modern wiring sounds much darker than the 50s wiring.
I appreciate you making this video but one thing that you may have not considered was the tolerance difference between the Gibson and CTS pots would make a difference to the tone. So the video is kinda useless because the viewer can't differentiate between the wiring tone change and the pots tone change.
Of course there's tolerance among the pots and I took it into account. For example, just considering the brand new cts, they were very different. For the bridge I used a 453k for volume and a 477k for tone, for neck position 523k for volume and 550 for tone. I prefered the lower values for bridge to make it not too much brighter than before. I can't remember the exact values of the original pots, let me see if I can mesure them in the afternoon.
The thing that drove me do the 50's wiring was the lack of brilliance when lowing the volumes with ovedriven tones and a lil dark tone on the neck, I was satisfied with the tone of the bridge pu, that's because I chose the lower values pots available.
Maybe it would have been interesting (or not) to try several pots with different values to understand the very differences but it wasn't my intention, the video was shot at first for me, to let me understand the variations between the before and after.
Could have been better to select pots with bettere tollerances (as 20/30k)? Maybe... but I'm a diyer and a hobbyst, I couldn't buy 20/30 pots just to make a selection, you know!
Cheres!
By the way I see your point, as you could be interested in simply swapping the original pots and caps with cts and orange drop and wire it back with the modern configuration, but that wasn't my aim and, telling the truth, I wouldn't have done that because soldering pots it's not one of my favourite tasks, eheh
@@lorenzo-marra Fair enough. I don't mind wiring pots but I'm definitely not as precise as you, if it works then I'm happy lol
50s wiring is less volume and power I learn that the hard way
50s wiring all day long
This was worth watching, the only thing is, it’s really difficult to perfectly set up string or bridge height after swapping out pickups. An independent variable in this experiment would have to be the consistency relative to string and pickup height. All it takes is even a 1/10 of a turn off on a pickup, it’s going to give you a different tonal characteristic. That said, were ya sure to do this? No disrespect at all. Modern wiring tends to have a higher treble response as shown in this video. I’m just saying, it’s really easy to screw it up 😂
Actually I didn't touch the pickups, simply worked in the electronics cavity... By the way, I still don't know if it was worth or not, sometimes I wish to put back the old pots with the modern, sometimes to keep the new pots and cap but wiring it in the modern way... still understanding...
@@lorenzo-marra I hear that. Well that’s good that you were able to bypass any adjustments in the pickups. Believe it or not, my 50s LP Standard was wired incorrectly., as ground wire is only soldered to the treble volume pot. The capacitors are also soldered to the middle pegs of tone pots. Pretty sure a true 50s wiring would have ground soldered to all pots, no?
@@lorimeyers3839 well, it depends. If the caps are soldered to the middle peg it's a modern wiring, just take a look at the pic at the beginning of the video. My pots weren't soldered to ground because I have the metal plate that connect everything to ground (and I kept it also for 50s wiring). My LP was a 50s too but modern wired as I bought it new in 2004.
@@lorenzo-marra okay, so you’re saying if I solder the capacitor from volume center peg to top of tone pot that it would be a true 50s wiring?
@@lorimeyers3839 if you want to pass from modern to 50s you have to swap some soldering points. Now you should have on the volume pot the right lug grounded to the chassis, the center lug to the switch, the left lug wired both to the pickup and the capacitor. The other side of the capacitor should be wired to the center lug of the tone pot, which should have the left lug free and the right lug grounded to the chassis. That's the modern wiring.