@@r.c.miller6161 I really dont believe he need that money . It is interesting how people tell us things about themselves by judging others. This is your way of thinking .... not TCRS. I admire his work and you can, of course, feel / think what you want. I just want people to think about what they say, or have some facts before they judge others ,who really try to do a difference ( by the way.... are you sitting comfortable while you watching this tragedy?)I guess it is interesting for you since you are here...🙃
@@r.c.miller6161 if that’s how you feel then why are you here? By you being here you are paying him.....you watching! Stop watching if that’s how you feel, leave the judgment and the insults! Besides, if anyone’s making money off this tragedy it’s the parents/family themselves! Nick is the last person to be making money off of this...what an ignorant comment SMH....
@Iluvfishng by you being on this site, makes you no better than the rest of us! And I disagree with you! If Burke was my son and he accidentally killed his sis, I would tell the TRUTH! THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH TELLING THE TRUTH! People these days act like telling the truth is this BAD thing...if the killing was an accident, be honest about it! Accidents happen everyday, we are human beings and we are not perfect! Yes there maybe consequences from telling the truth, but I would face them like any decent, honest human being would and should! But, I have a problem with people who act like they are holier than thou and lie, that’s what makes them guilty. When people lie is when they are choosing one child over the other (the dead one)! What if Burke did do it and the parents covered it up...are you saying it’s ok for them to cover it up as an attempt to keep the rest of the family together at the expense of JonBenet’s life?! So you are saying it’s ok for JonBenet to lose her life but not ok for Burke and the rest of the family to lose face bcos they might have accidentally killed JonBenet?! Do you not believe JonBenet deserves to have her murderer be brought to justice? Even if it might be one of her family members that did it, don’t you think it is right for them to own up to it so JonBenet’s soul can be at peace?! One more thing, if that family did accidentally kill that little girl and tried to cover it up, then YES, it’s despicable they would be making money off the tragedy! And you are right, we don’t know if whether the family really is guilty but that’s why we are all here on TCRS to discuss it! You act as though myself and everyone here have passed our judgment on the Ramsey family and we all decided they are guilty! The fact is we don’t know what actually happened, the case is still open and this is a place where we can gather to throw ideas and discuss what we think happened. You are not the only one that lived through this tragedy, I was 17 when this murder occurred. We are not here to JUDGE anyone. You are truly ignorant, you see only GOD CAN JUDGE! I can only state my own feelings in what I think happened. And If we’re busy bodies to you, then you shouldn’t be here listening to these posts and reading our comments. And since you felt the need to call me out publicly, I feel the need to let you know publicly my response, and it is: I can think and feel anyway I like about this case. It is my own opinion and it is non of your business. You can keep your judgment of me to yourself...you don’t even know me...SMH
The fact that the Ramseys weren’t the least bit concerned about Burke’s safety at school was a dead giveaway regarding the so-called “murderous stranger intruder”: the Ramseys knew full well that their son wasn’t at any risk whatsoever from the general public 😏
Absolutely 💯 Because if there really WERE someone out there issuing ransom notes... then there's no reason at all that this "unknown individual" may come after Burke! My remaining kid(s) would be under lock and key!
Actually, I have not come to any conclusion about guilt here, but this isn't true. The Ramsey's had hired security for Burke. They even had some stationed outside his classroom (s) at the school, but then the school said it was disruptive so they found another solution that included ppl at the school.
@@gina.1 Yes but its also telling that on that fateful evening Burke remained in his bedroom sleeping . He wasn't woken until hours later and then Burke was whisked off to a friends house. Now i don't know about u but no way would i be leaving a kid unattended in the bedroom during that period. For all anyone knows that kidnapper could be hiding in there somewhere. It's not a risk any parent would take and yet..
Some Colorado murderers: Christopher Watts, Denver Strangler, Ted Bundy (3 known victims in CO), Joseph Corbett, James Holmes (12 victims), Robert Dear (3 killed), Eric Harris & Dylan Klebold (13 killed at Columbine), the killer of JonBenet Ramsey, Richard Kirk, etc. Several of those killed in the 2000s.
@@brittaolson6550 Patrick Frazee, and 2 unsolved cases in the news now are Christine Cummings and Suzanne Morphew. Both of their husbands are suspects at the moment. But just adding to your list that was long enough of Colorado murderers 🤦♀️ I know murder happens everywhere but so many in one state is horrifying 😢
@@chrissylee325 Thank you so much. I knew there was a recent one or more I was missing. I had Frazee in the back of my mind, somewhere. I know there are a lot of murders in the Pacific Northwest, too, and a lot in Wisconsin, my closest neighboring state. All of those areas have densely wooded areas with evergreens for miles, so it could be partly opportunity (although that doesn’t explain the public murders). I know I feel extremely depressed when I lived in Oregon & Washington...maybe there’s something about not getting much sun for most of the year, also the case in Wisconsin & I’m not sure about Colorado, though I’m sure there are valleys with fog and smog there, as well. It’s easy for reclusive woods & mountain people to come to mind, but so many of them occur in populous areas, that’s probably a stereotype. I have heard of a few cases where people were murdered in my state, Minnesota, and buried in the woods of Wisconsin, though, so it could be that ease of concealment gives some killers a false sense of security. Maybe murders in the, usually peaceful, North country are just more reported on. I have lived briefly in places like Chicago and New York, where murders were frequent and didn’t make news. All I know is it must be hard to feel safe, with random murders happening around you!
@@brittaolson6550 yes exactly! Especially the ones in Colorado in recent years have mostly been by the husband. If I was a single woman in Colorado I think I would be scared to date lol
For once Burke was being paid attention to. No wonder he is happy. He was always in the background. His sister received all the attention. This is why Burke is happy during these interviews
Burke was shy and introverted. He adored JonBenet who was perky, sparkly and outgoing. Burke was hardly neglected. He was very proud of his sister at least according to people who actually knew them.
What took so long to interview him? When my 18 mo old cousin died (I was only 3) I distinctly remember being frightened and confused for years. It still haunts me. The pain of my Aunt and my cousin's siblings, my mom - the entire family - was Palpable - even for a 3 year old child. I understand everyone experiences grief differently. But something is so Off about this entire crime. 😥💜
I remember my Aunt was killed in auto accident. I was very young but I was upset by it. I remember all the days around that except the few days I stayed at a nice home with relatives.
@@teshayazzie3095 he was interviewed twice, not counting the short police interview at the Whites that afternoon. Also he testified before the grand jury.
If Burke killed JonBenet, the Ramsey’s trying to avoid stigma really backfired. I think he could have been helped a lot more quietly and effectively if the parents had reported the crime accurately. The end result is one tragedy on top of another.
My thoughts exactly. With Burke being age 9, surely the Ramsey's friends and the community would have seen it as a tragic accident and sympathised with the Ramsey's. The hype soon would have died down. But by further tormenting her and staging the scene, they must have known the media hype and ongoing attention it would have brought them, as her body being found in the basement would scream 'in house'. Very weird
Not sure how they would've been so sure she was actually dead in such case anyway. Seems like the most natural thing would be to call 911 in the hope she could be revived.
The parents would rather continue on in life having questionable involvement with their childs death than to be "known" as parents that have flawed children.
If he had been responsible, it would be have been kinder to get him the therapy he would have needed. I have always maintained that they knowingly left open the possibility of his guilt, thus protecting themselves and ruining his life. Evil parents.
The one thing that stood out to me about Burke’s interview is when he said he felt safe. It was like 13 days after his sister had been murdered in their home. That never set well with me.
@@bethryan9077 Well, they also had great influence so, that doesn't change anything for me. The facts don't make sense, someone did it and they had to be in the house. So it's either family or someone else lives inside that house that no one knows about. I have heard many stories of people finding people they don't know living in places in their home they didn't know about. There was one guy that set up a camera because he kept missing food and he recorded a woman coming out of a crawl space and peeing in his kitchen sink, eating his food and watching his TV! He almost caught her one time. The police did a horrible job with this one. They should have found her in the basement, not dad and a friend. There's a huge piece missing here.
@@bethryan9077 I have never heard that b4! The last I heard, they said they got nothing off her jamies. Guess I should check that, thank you for that info.
@@susannah1066 The DNA on the panties, the waistband of the pjs, and the skin under her fingernails all came from the same unidentified man unrelated to JonBenet. Where did you get the idea a woman or John were somehow involved with this? For a quick review of the evidence supplied under oath, look at the transcripts of the Wolf v Ramsey hearing. They contain most of everything and take less time than reading the autopsy reports, the DNA and handwriting reports. I do think the crime scene photos are essential. Personally, I’ve read every bit of primary sources I can find.
@@nbenefiel I meant that the dna was part of the reason the family were exonerated. 2nd part-John got friendly with Mary Lacy-who eventually apologised to the family.
Isn’t Burk autistic - on the spectrum? If so, like my daughter, they can be incredibly self centered to the point of narcissism, not show emotion or genuinely have alexythemia. In that case I’d too be vigilant about the credentials of the attending psychologist to interview my 9yr old. both because of how it might affect him and what conclusions could be wrongfully derived by someone who can’t recognize patterns of autism. My 7yr old daughter woke up to a man breaking into her room through the window she’d opened before going to sleep, (against our rules) and late in the night calmly came and woke me to tell me. I didn’t let on how dangerous the situation was, I just calmly asked if she felt safe or was scared while I dialed 911. Then I banged on her door very loudly and entered the room which scared him back out the window and I watched as he ran through our backyard, and climbed over our fence - all this in a span of seconds that felt like an eternity. Police and helicopters soon surrounded my house and searched the neighborhood and 2 weeks later caught and charged him with several counts of battery and rape (entering homes the same way. ) My daughter’s window screen had a large knife slash from one corner to the other. During those first minutes right up to the day I got her window screen replaced, she was entirely carefree. I felt I’d done my job not to show my terror but it’s not uncommon for her to not show great happiness or sadness - especially big deep emotions, until a long period of time has passed; in this case it took 2 years and she became very frightened to be alone because of it. And this is in spite of her being high functioning with friends. I’m disabled yet She always enters the house first and closes the door in my face - even when I have grocery bags in both arms. Just clueless. But happy and smart. Typical of autistic children she never bonded with me, in spite of a year of nursing her and as many possible hours in a day spent reading books with her on my lap. She Can’t recognize other’s feelings or emotional needs and often doesn’t show her own - Unless she’s having a meltdown over something minor, like someone drinking from her glass. Pure emotional deregulation - but dangerous? Possibly in Burke’s case, I don’t know. So…I don’t know if Burke is innocent or not, but the smiling at the funeral and in interviews isn’t a sign of guilt with an autistic child. It’s just weird. And common. But did Burke ever undergo psychological testing for psychopathy or anything similar?
@@rebekahcrossman4690 After the murder, Burke, by order of the court was examined by an abuse counselor and two child psychologists who all found him to be a normal, mentally healthy 9 year old boy. There was no diagnosis of autism or any other mental disorder. His teachers found him to be an exceptionally bright, quiet, but with a strong, close group of friends. His paediatrician agreed.
Burke's animated, giggling chat about the press and the 'you know what' sounds like he's revelling in the attention. He may even be enjoying seeing his mother being 'punished' by losing her daughter. Payback for all the years of attention he was denied.
Idk but he was anxious on a lot of footage I watched back, but I have the worst social anxiety so I think I could've acted odd bc I naturally am. I get the white coat syndrome thing & I'm weird at my "normal"
I've every sympathy with people who suffer with anxiety. I know what that's like. I don't feel that from Burke, not condemning him but he's quite cocky. If he was sitting hunched over, wringing his hands or had them clasped between his knees maybe but he's draped over that chair like a cat who got the cream
No, it was a case that the father was using the kids as sex toys, to make Deals. Cops knew about it. They did not respond right away. Burt was a victim too.
Absolutely. They did all this crap for nothing. Burke would not have gone to prison or been arrested. He would have been committed to a behavioral facility until he was 18. That’s it. They concoct this whole kidnapping story just to protect Burke when the courts would have protected him. It’s insane. Patsy IMO was crazy.
@@aldenunion The persecution comes from people like those posting on these sites. People who don’t know beans about the actual evidence in this case. Burke did not do this crime. It was a highly sexual assault and murder. For Christ’s sake, the killer left pubic hair on the blanket he covered the body with. That means he was walking around without pants while covering the body. The pubic hair did not match either John or Patsy and, of course, Burke didn’t have any.
The housekeeper also confirmed Burke had a history of feces smearing. A sign of abuse or psych issues in children. At the scene Police noted feces smeared on a box of Xmas candy in Jon Benets room. At his psych interview( it's online) he is disinterested ,shows no distress she is dead & says he's "moving on". He didn't draw his sister in the picture of his family. Kids with deceased siblings usually still draw the sibling, often, as an angel. The child psychologist concluded: "he had no emotional attachment to his sister".
@Linda Pugh lied a lot. Pugh testified for hours before the Grand Jury and has been quoted extensively in the press and in the seminal book about the early days of the investigation Lawrence Schiller's "Perfect Murder, Perfect Town." Pugh also sued to obtain the right to include information she'd given the Grand Jury in her "book." She ended up with one chapter of a planned book she titled "The Death of an Innocent." In this "book" she points out how well she knew Patsy's handwriting and expressions. She boasted that she'd received many handwritten notes from Patsy which is the way Patsy instructed her about what jobs she wanted Pugh to do when she came. She also made an about face. She'd told Schiller Patsy never made a big deal about Jonbenet's bedwetting. In her chapter, however, she claims she "many times" saw Patsy take JB to the bathroom, then heard JB screaming behind the closed door. Every person connected to the Ramsey household had been interviewed early on by the BPD, including Pugh, and they never heard that the Ramsey's had ever used corporal punishment. Jonbenet was a happy, extroverted bundle of energy, not a sullen, shy or frightened child. This would not have been the case if Pugh's contradictory tale were true. Pugh is even quoted in Schiller's book of calling Jonbenet "a spoiled brat." *Why was the Ransom Note only for $118 thousand instead of a huge sum. Pugh and her "Crew" wanted to get John down in the basement to open the in ground safe in which they imagined that there would be much more substantial value. By demanding the Ramsey's not notify the police, they hoped he'd be tempted just to get the money out of the safe. If the Ramsey's had written the note they would have asked for a more believable amount. Why? Because they would have known they'd never have to pay anyone but themselves. They would have used a much more reasonable figure. *Why did the Ransom Note end up on the stairs? Pugh knew Patsy went down those stairs every morning to make coffee. *Why was the Ransom Note COPIED on to Patsy pad? This would cleverly seem to implicate the Ramsey's. * Did Pugh actually write the note herself? No, but a former stripper, convicted sex offender, rock climber and journalist did. Here's a sample of his writing compared to the Ransom Note.than Patsy's: imgur.com/r/JonBenet/8Ha6H4C "Forensic document examiner Lloyd Cunningham cannot eliminate plaintiff (Wolf) as the author of the Ransom Note. (SMF ¶ 279; PSMF ¶ 279.) Plaintiff's ex-girlfriend has also testified she believes that he is the note's author. (J. Brungardt Aff. ¶ 43.) Carnes Report You can see his handwriting was more like the Ransom Note's than Patsy's was."
@@rodneyjohnson7327 The very day JB was found dead the police went to Pugh's house and this is what they found: 3 Rolls Blk Tape White Lined Note Pad that came from Ramsey house 3 Felt Tip Pens 2' narrow rope A rope around a stick ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ She did lie a lot. Here are just two of many. BED WETTING LIE When interviewed by Lawrence Schiller she told him Patsy did not make a bid deal of JB wetting the bed. Later in her book "The Death of an Innocent" she wrote: "You took her into the bathroom. It was the same destination you always took JonBenet when it was time to punish her for bedwetting. You forget that I saw you take here there so many times before, shutting the door tightly behind you, so her screams could not be heard. Except this time you picked up the long, black flashlight you had brought with you, and you swung it. You swung it first at her crotch and then next at her head." This tells us more about Pugh's imagination than fact. Why? Because: SHE DIDN'T TELL THIS TO SCHILLER: If she had ever witnessed this she had NO reason to hold back. She was no longer working for Patsy when she was interviewed by Schiller telling him that Patsy did not make a bid deal of the bed wetting. NOR DID SHE TELL THIS TO THE POLICE: "Authorities spoke to every maid, babysitter, au pair, gardener, everyone who had interacted with the Ramseys, to find out the relationship among family members. Turns out that the family was very tight. JonBenét missed her father terribly when he was away on business. Abusive relationships are not close relationships, as every mental health professional understands. www.dailymotion.com/video/x5x3wx4 FECES LIE Linda Pugh has accused Burke of having smeared JB's Christmas candy. She said: "After they sealed off JonBenet's room, the crime scene technicians went through it, they apparently found faeces smeared on a box of candy she had got for Christmas." "www.thesun.co.uk/.../jonbenet-ramseys-disturbed.../ It must be asked how she can claim to have insider information about the crime scene technicians' work which the rest of the public is not privy to. Pugh was interviewed extensively by Lawrence Schiller and she even served as his housekeeper while he was writing "Perfect Murder, Perfect Town." Yet he made NO MENTION of any feces in his descriptions of Jonbenet's room. "All of JonBenet's sheets, pillowcases, and bedcovers were taken into custody by the police. Fingerprint powder was everywhere except on the painted hooks of a trompe l'oeil hat rack stenciled on the closet doors."1999 February 18 Lawrence Schillers book, "Perfect Murder, Perfect Town Page 82 Schiller also describes the Christmas morning and makes no mention of feces on JB's Christmas candy. "Christmas morning - the presents were opened after an early church service. Jonbenet rode her new bicycle in the warm weather - over 50 degrees and no snow on the ground at the back of the house." Pugh did not set foot into that house after the 23rd so she could not have personal knowledge about the alleged candy smearing. Who does she claim told her and why was she spreading undocumented rumors about Burke? This brings us to OneSolved Mystery Webb Truths episode called "JohnBenet Case - Damaged Elevator Door & Possible UnFlushed Toilet." While Patsy was shown photos #243-245, the sworn deposition about the matter of the basement toilet was conducted by Det. Tom Haney and Prosecutor Trip DeMuth in which they questioned Patsy about it. PR: "I specifically asked Linda sometime in the not so distant future to go down and and clean that bathroom because I think one of the boys had used it and not flushed it. Tom Haney: Who used that bathroom? PR: One of the boys. You know Burke and Evan were down there playing with the trains. They would go in there and use it. It was not flushed for several days. And Linda took care of it is the way I think it went. Trip DeMuth: Do you know did Linda clean it up, do you know?" Patsy never checked to make sure.
One of the most impactful LIES Linda Pugh spewed forth was about the alleged feces. Since Pugh was never in that house after the 23rd since she called in sick for her scheduled work day on the 24th despite her claim that she'd be evicted if she didn't pay her sister back rent and Patsy agreed to loan her $2000 for that purpose. All she needed to do was pick it up. If it were true she would have high tailed it over to pick up the check but instead she wanted Patsy to leave the check and she'd use her key to pick it up while the Ramsey's were in Michigan and Florida where they'd take Burke and Jonbenet on a Disney Cruise on The Big Red Boat. So, how could she privy to any information about what was in that house?. She was not there for Christmas to witness the presents be opened either. This has the earmarks of being one of her set-ups to try to make the Ramsey's look bad. FECES LIE It is time to try to get to the bottom of a very enigmatic situation. Linda Pugh has accused Burke of having smeared JB's Christmas candy with excrement. She said: "After they sealed off JonBenet's room, the crime scene technicians went through it, they apparently found faeces smeared on a box of candy she had got for Christmas." "www.thesun.co.uk/.../jonbenet-ramseys-disturbed.../ It must be asked how she can claim to have insider information about the crime scene and the technicians' work which the rest of the public is not privy to. Pugh was interviewed extensively by Lawrence Schiller and she even served as his housekeeper while he was writing "Perfect Murder, Perfect Town." Yet he made NO MENTION of any feces in his descriptions of Jonbenet's room. "All of JonBenet's sheets, pillowcases, and bedcovers were taken into custody by the police. Fingerprint powder was everywhere except on the painted hooks of a trompe l'oeil hat rack stenciled on the closet doors."1999 February 18 Lawrence Schillers book, "Perfect Murder, Perfect Town Page 82 Schiller also describes the Christmas morning and makes no mention of feces on JB's Christmas candy. "Christmas morning - the presents were opened after an early church service. Jonbenet rode her new bicycle in the warm weather - over 50 degrees and no snow on the ground at the back of the house." Pugh did not set foot into that house after the 23rd so she could not have personal knowledge about the alleged candy smearing. Who does she claim told her and why was she spreading undocumented rumors about Burke? WERE DNA TESTS TAKEN OF THE FECES? This brings us to OneSolved Mystery Webb Truths episode called "JohnBenet Case - Damaged Elevator Door & Possible UnFlushed Toilet." While Patsy was shown photos #243-245, the SWORN DEPOSITION about the matter of the basement toilet was conducted by Det. Tom Haney and Prosecutor Trip DeMuth in which they questioned Patsy about it. PR: I specifically asked Linda sometime in the not so distant future to go down and and clean that bathroom because I think one of the boys had used it and not flushed it. Tom Haney: Who used that bathroom? PR: One of the boys. You know Burke and Evan were down there playing with the trains. They would go in there and use it. It was not flushed for several days. And Linda took care of it is the way I think it went. Trip DeMuth: Do you know did Linda clean it up, do you know? Is she usually pretty confident (sic) if you give her something? PR: Yeah. (However Mervyn was supposed to fix the basement window and that didn't happen.) How could Pugh be confident there was feces smeared on the candy box? Did she instruct one of her co-conspirators to use feces from the basement's unflushed toilet to set Burke up the way she set John Andrew up by leaving his semen stained duvet in the Samsonite suitcase and having it placed under the basement window or the way she tried to claim only the Ramsey's knew where she had hid Burke's knife when originally she told the media ONLY SHE KNEW! Pugh's rumors apparently impacted on 91 year old Dr. Werner Spitz' thinking. He said: "The brother is not exactly thinking straight, the behaviour is... of somebody who's got a problem. Why was he doing that?" Werner Uri Spitz[1] was born August 22, 1926 so he was 91 when he made this unsubstantiated claim. Spitz allegation was addressed and denied in Burke's brief in his case against CBS. The suit was settled out of court and no specifics were released. Yet this feces spreading campaign has certainly soiled Burke's reputation in the eyes of the public. In reality it gives validity to the name "Pugh."
The one thing I remember most distinctly about this case, was the recording of Patsy calling 911. She must have thought the phone was disconnected at this point and she says "WHAT DID YOU DO?!?!?" (Or "what have you done?!?", it was one of the two.)
Yeah weird but I dont think that says anything. It could literally be about something someone was doing even if the course of events they are claiming was true. Like if they wre confused about who else to call etc and she calls 911 and then goes back to ask what did you do meaning about those other calls or something like that. I mean, the whole family knows one of them did it and they are all covering it up. But this isnt evidence or even convincing, sorry.
@@wrongturnVforit's evidence when the parents said Burke was asleep the whole time and never left his room. And then we can hear Patsy saying what did you do?
What has NEVER Left my mind in the interview with Patsy, She said : "THAT CHILD". After losing our child, it gave me chills all over. For her to say "THAT CHILD"...
How could anyone do this to this precious beautiful little girl. What an incredible life this child could have had. What an incredibly sad world we live in
Doubtful. Burke, 10 yrs old, rather precocious to rape and kill his 6 yr old sister. Just didn't give me that kind of impression he could have done that at 10 by himself. A 10 yr old rapist? Wouldn't jonbenet have screamed and fought?
@@Crystalblue58 I'm sure Burke did it. Probably with the large flashlight after an incident involving the pineapple. Everything else has been an attempt to cover it up.
@@sandradelisle944 Four people came, the Whites and the Fernies. Later Fr. Hoverstock, their priest came. That’s it. As for the ransom note. It said the call would be at 10:00 TOMORROW, which would be the 27th not the 26th. John spent much of the morning trying to arrange the transfer of the ransom money.
I spent a considerable amount of time looking into this situation. I lived in Boulder just after it happened. My father knew Lou Smit when we lived in Colorado Springs. This was in 1973-75. I won't go into detail but offer bullet points. I did a psycholinguistic analysis of the police interview of both John and Patsy Ramsey and there were some contradictions. I also did so with the ransom note. And although I can't tell you who's responsible for writing it, I can say with a good level of confidence that the writer was female. The behaviors displayed by both parents post offense were not what I would have expected. There was no intruder. This theory was first contributed by Lou. I can't recount all the details I knew specifically of the case as it's been too many years. But if anyone wants to reread the police statements from John Ramsey you will see that several items do not match up as to a logical chain of events. (The broken cellar window and the glass) Personally, I believe Burke was responsible for Jonbenet's death and it was staged to appear as something entirely different in order to protect him. Even the FBI's CASKU team felt that the death was staged so I know I'm not the only one who's taken this position.
Chris Iman If the writer is female then it had to be written by Patsy. What other female could have written the note? I agree that clearly there was no intruder. Lou Smit was a moron or paid by the Ramseys to suggest there was an intruder. The CBS documentary was the best and closest to the truth than any other documentary made about this case. I believe Burke being the killer is the most plausible explanation because it makes everything about this case make sense.
@@christiansoldier77 ..I agree with your summation. I'm just trying to remain as neutral as I can. I liked Lou, don't get me wrong. He was very adept in his field. But I disagreed with his evaluation of this particular case. I also disagreed with John Douglas. He's one of the best if not the best criminal profiler I've ever seen. He was my mentor. I still hold him in the highest regard.
@@bethryan9077 .. Your winded diatribe means nothing to me. I can provide a rebuttal to most of what you claim as exculpatory evidence for the Ramsey family. And I don't go by what's written in books. I go by expert testimony such as from Henry Lee etcetera. You wrote all that to impress who?? Certainly not me!
@@bethryan9077 Stop the nonsense. If there were any intruders then why does the police and the grand jury both think the Ramseys were involved? You are clueless
@@bethryan9077. Hi there Beth. I’m a 71yo Australian grandma and have just read all you have to say about the JB Case and definitely agree that the public DO NOT get the who story and neither do the Courts which infuriates me ! You expressed yourself quite well, but with respect, how do you know the real explanation of the case if I may ask ? Don’t get me wrong because as I said, I thoroughly agree with you about how messed up the story gets and the devastation this causes to the lives of those involved. Peace and blessings ❤
"Why did the police let the Ramseys do whatever they wanted in their interviews?" I read this type of comment over and over in true crime video comment sections all the time. It's really frustrating to me that every American doesnt know the answer. Your legal rights should be taught Freshman year in every high school in the country. Pay attention to what I'm about to say it may save your very life some day. ALL police questioning is ALWAYS on the person they are questioning's terms. EXCEPT many, many people aren't aware of their rights under the law, and how vitally important to their very life it is that they exercise those rights to the full extent, so they think they have to do the interview on the police's terms. Police hate, and I mean HATE, to hear you request an attorney before you speak with them because they know they aren't going to be able to manipulate your words into evidence against you any further. They will sometimes make you say it more than once that you want an attorney, pretend they cant find an attorney, etc. Don't buy it. You are entitled to an attorney and it doesnt matter if you haven't a dime to your name. You MUST have an attorney on their dime, in that case. They dont want you to have an attorney because they know if you exercise that right their job to get you to say something incriminating goes from 0 to 100 in difficulty because make no mistake, that is the sole reason for police to ask you to come down to the station for an interview. You're a "person of interest" that can go to the main suspect real fast if you say anything they can manipulate into fitting their version of events. They dont "just want to rule you out" they want to rule you in! Besides if it's your child that was murdered or kidnapped don't let them waste time investigating you when you're innocent! Refuse the interview or bring a lawyer and reply no comment or I dont rememeber. Everyone thinks they're SO smart, and if they're innocent they couldnt possibly say the wrong thing to a group of ppl who have been trained for years upon years to get a person to slip up and say one wrong thing. That is their JOB! I bet you're all thinking that right now, and you are dead wrong. You are not going to get through an interview without saying something that can, if they choose to, be manipulated into pointing to your nonexistent guilt, and juries are very gullible. I've heard a woman tell me once that if you don't vote guilty you failed your jury duty! The person being questioned doesn't have to answer a single question they are asked if that's what they want, and they definitely better "want". They can also get up and leave the interview anytime. They can sit there and say "no comment" 100 times and then go back home like Madeleine McCann's very intelligent mother did in her interview with the police if they want. She went home and all the police did was waste their time and were no better off than when they began her interview regarding arresting her for a crime she may or may not have committed. The police let them do it on their terms or they wont get an interview on any terms at all from a person who knows their rights. The Ramseys had the money for lawyers to let them know exactly what rights they had and they used them all perfectly and I dont blame them. Far from it. I admire them. I love to see people exercise their rights, guilty or not. The DA usually has a 95% or higher conviction rate because people constantly go into these interviews unaware that they have these rights like most of you were until now. Also, always refuse to give permission to let the police search your house or car, and do not give DNA without a warrant. I've heard of some ppls DNA ending up in places it shouldn't be when the right person is paid to say it was there. In a perfect world all LEOs are ethical, but this is far, FAR from a perfect world. You wouldn't even be asked for an interview if the police already had enough evidence to convict. They ask for an interview solely to get the person to say something to incriminate themselves or another. Do not go to an interview without an attorney and do not answer any questions...especially if you're innocent. I hate seeing innocent people get life in prison because they dont know when and how to exercise their legal rights. It's heartbreaking. Many, too many, police don't want to put the guilty party behind bars they just want to get ANY party they don't like maybe because he's poor or she's black or he's gay etc. convicted guilty and behind bars. Especially* if it's a high profile case like this that the police are under a LOT of pressure to solve. Look what happened to the West Memphis 3! Minors going to interviews with the local keystone cops without an attorney or even a parent present being interrogated for 12 straight hours not knowing they could've left whenever they wanted and NOT exercising their very, VERY important right to shut their blab hole! It almost got them in prison for life, and Damien murdered! Wasted 20 years. The WMPD still* won't admit their investigation was flawed and it took the whole world coming together to work 20 years to get them out of prison. So if you screw up in those interviews and don't request an attorney before you start talking there's a very* slim chance you will be ever getting out of prison if you're convicted and innocent. If they ask you what color shirt you are wearing plead the fifth. If they ask you what you ate for breakfast plead the fifth. It doesnt matter if you feel* like that makes you look* guilty. Feelings don't matter in court. However, what you said in the interview does and even a decent DA can spin your words to make you sound like the BTK killer. In a court of law it doesn't make you look any way but insulted theyd presume you could possibly be guilty, legally aware of your rights, and intelligent enough to know when to use them. There is nothing a defense attorney hates to hear more from a client is that they already spoke to the police without said attorney there, and they blabbed all kinds of things. I strongly suggest anyone who loves true crime and the American justice system watch The Confession Tapes on Netflix. 10/10. You will get a brutal education on how police interviews work and the lengths they will go to to convict anyone they can. They tend to zero in on a person of interest and instead of letting the facts lead them to a suspect they mold the facts around this person they've zeroed in on. You see it time and time again in their investigations. I am not an attorney and cannot give legal advice. I am merely speaking from the knowledge I gained in college majoring in Pre-Law and then working for a criminal defense law firm as a paralegal from 2006 to 2018.
If im guilty or innocent im shutn my mouth n asking for an attorney. The cops want an arrest. They dont care who it is guilty or innocent. Dont let them ruin u by setn u up!!! I dont give a fuk how it looks either.
I agree. A very sweet friend of mine many years ago killed her abusive husband very clearly in self defense. She was completely innocent and spoke to the police without an attorney and was charged with 1st degree murder. She should never have done that and no one should! Very good point, TY for that.
@@paulaprettypaula4213 everyone is entitled to an attorney it doesnt matter if you have no money or ALl the money-you are entitled to a lawyer. Some things in life are privileges, and some things we are entitled to, and we are entitled to attorneys.
So true. In university my friend insisted I get a lawyer for a police interview on something I was totally innocent of. All the lawyer let me say was on the advice of a lawyer I will not answer that question. I thought this is making me look guilty but that was the end of that.
I don’t think it was mentally a healthy household. I did not approve of the way they were dressing, or making up the little girl. It was too grownup for a child her age. I believe Burke resented the attention that his sister was getting. I do believe it’s possible he got into an argument with her and hit her in the head. I found it interesting that his sister was taken downstairs without any kind of noise. Most children would have been screaming. But if her brother took her down I would not expect her to be screaming.
Not true,,, Burke was a crazy brat…. He would crap in Jonbenoit s bed, bathtub, smear crap on her clothing and wall,,,, a nut and dangerous.. he killed her I am sure of it
They say there are hardly any crimes in Colorado. Omg I have watched thousands of vids and Colorado always is mentioned. Anyway. The family 100% did this, I have NO doubts
Burke sneakily got out of bed that night and went downstairs...Nobody has asked Burke how long he was downstairs!! the timeline puts Burke and the Intruder around at the same time...yet the intruder got past Burke up to JonBenet's bedroom and back down to the basement and Burke saw nothing????????????
You and 90% of the population and what does that say?, it says that the majority of people will believe stuff based on their thoughts and nothing else.
Parents told Doug Stien who was sleeping over, to take Burke’s new bike home. Patsy staged it as intruder so Burke and Doug would be safe. Think about it.
@@SimpleLifeAlways81 I thought about it and now I ask, where is your source for this information? Doug's DNA was taken and it didn't match. An adult hair was found on the white blanket. Doug and Burke were pre-pubescent so that hair did not come from either of them. Doug would have had to ride home very late at night and there has never been any evidence of that.
I believe Doug Stein was involved . I've always felt that. He was BURKES best friend.The Ramseys threw all THERE other friends under the bus .THE RAMSEYS LIVED WITH THE STINES AFTER THE MURDER HMM
I watched their interview from 3 years later, they say over and over "Of course we would turn eachother in spouse love is conditional, loving a child is unconditional." They covered for Burke but John had the help of Fleet to make it look like a kidnapper. If YOUR child goes missing when you call 911 you say "My child is missing!" You dont say kidnapped, even if there is a note. As far as the "note" goes.. it was written in a panic, knowing they had limited time. I dont think the plan was to have to find Jon Benet in the basement, they probably thought the cops would be elsewhere looking, but they didnt leave. John got nervous, then went to get her. Theres no way on Gods green earth a kidnapper would write a 3 page note on their tablet, use all the utensils to kill her and wrap her up, plus give a meezly amount for the ransom. They would type a note, ask for millions and gtfo of there with her alive or strangled. Is my guess.
I totally agree that the note is the most damning piece of evidence against the Ramseys. But you can't say what you would say on a 911 call in a panicked state of mind. Have you ever had to make one?
There is no way a kidnapper writes a 3 page ransom note. If they want money they will write 2-3 lines - we have her, This much and this place to get her back. Dont tell anyone or she is dead. If this is a crazy person who kidnapped her for other reasons, they wont leave note. But I do think that the body was staged to be found like this. They got frustrated that the police werent looking in the basement and o John led them to her.
I think both of the children in that house was abused in several types of abuse even pasty wad jealous of jonbenet poor Burke was jealous of his sister he was certainly ignored nobody had any time for him I always thought pasty had done that to jonbenet maybe overreaching to her wetting the bed or maybe she caught her playing with her paining items but their was so much going on on that house I'm still concerned about Burke now as an adult I think he's always been pushed to the side so I think both patents know exactly what happened that night I wish John would finally tell the truth ??????
@@ariloves10 Will it ever be I wonder? I was following this case since day one. My father and l would watch this case together on TV. Every time it aired we would watch it and weeks, months would go by no one convicted. Then went into years. It's 2021 and still NO arrest. This case had my head always spinning! Soooooooo sad it's never been solved. It just break's my heart.
I think her next door neighbor did it and their family covered it up. I just really feel this way. And I love hearing your videos and analyzing things! The only thing thats evident is that we both have a feeling!
I honestly for a very long time thought it was Patsy and when she died I even got upset she was never brought to justice. But of course in @True crime Rocket Science fashion, he has changed my mind and I now believe that it was the brother. Before I just couldn't wrap my head around a 9 year old committing murder.
@gogogeedus People can have an opinion and they can voice their feelings! No one implied that their “FEELINGS” is the GOSPAL truth or EVIDENCE that it was what ACTUALLY HAPPENED! What a STUPID thing to say!
When Bert was being questioned by that Detective and he told that detective I know what happened to JonBenet why hasn't any of that came out what did he say when he said he knew what happened to her so what did he say happened to her
Maybe shouldn't say this but I get the impression Patsy almost behaves as if in her mind John is JFK and she's Jackie Kennedy in terms of status. It's like, how dare they question us, don't they know who we are? She was just a rich woman who gained attention via her daughter, period.
Exactly! Did you see the video when Patsy was being interviewed and the interviewer asked her if she was a stage mom. She responded in a snippy way, “probably, what’s wrong with that?” That struck me as odd, since some theories are that she was targeted, by a pedo because of the pageants. It was an inside job...no doubt in my mind.
Burke lowkey acts like he’s on the spectrum. Even now if you look at his most recent interview, he is very socially awkward and does not have normal queues. It does not seem his disposition is due to his lack of interaction with society growing up.
Agree. His baseline of a sickly grin is very disconcerting. The grin only disappears when his psych interview is shown & discussed. The conclusion reached after the interview was that he had no emotional attachment to his sister. It shows him looking disinterested & saying he's "moving on with life". He only reacts at all when shown the pineapple on the kitchen counter. Then he practically squirms & won't say what's in the bowl. Hmmm.
Burke killed her 100%. He reminds me of my brother, a manipulative little creep! I was physically & sexually abused by my 8 year old brother since I was 5, it continued for 5 years, so I know for a fact it's possible for a child to be that sadistic & violent towards a younger sibling...He used to strangle me, kick, hit, pinch, sexually assault me, tie me up & insert objects in me, hold knives to my throat etc...All of this was done behind closed doors & my parents knew nothing about it, they only saw the normal sibling fighting & he behaved reasonably normal in public, acting like butter wouldn't melt....I didn't tell anyone until I was 23 & it broke my family apart because my mum refuses to believe it & at the age of 33, he still lives with her, protecting him. 🤢 Burke did it & the parents or just Patsy covered it up. They had the means & almost 5 hours to pull it off. Nothing adds up, they knew the sexual assault would be discovered & they didn't want the shame of their friends & the world finding out what a creepy little weirdo their precious Burke was.
@lakabeice Your theory does not fit with the fact that the autopsy showed JB had not been sexually molested prior to the intruders who killed her doing so. *Dr. Richard Krugman, Dean of Colorado University Sciences Health Center, and nationally respected director of the Kempe Center For The Prevention And Treatment Of Child Abuse And Neglect, said there was NO EVIDENCE OF PRIOR SEXUAL ABUSE of JonBenét Ramsey. Both Meyer and Krugman agreed that there had been penetration but no rape. *Dr. Thomas Henry: Denver Medical Examiner. "From what is noted in the autopsy report, there is no evidence of injury to the anus, there is no evidence of injury to the skin around the vagina, the labia. There is NO INDICATION OF HEALED SCARS. *Dr. Michael Doberson, the highly respected forensic pathologist and medical examiner for Arapahoe County, Colorado, was at the autopsy. He found NO EVIDENCE OF PRIOR SEXUAL ABUSE. *Dr. Leon Kelly, forensic pathologist in Colorado Springs, and expert on abused children, found NO EVIDENCE OF PRIOR SEXUAL ABUSE, and explained that the inflammation was easily explained by any number of factors regularly present in children that age. *The Federal Court in Atlanta ruled, "NO EVIDENCE SUGGESTS THERE WAS PRIOR SEXUAL ABUSE." Wolf v Ramsey
I was 8 years old when my older sister's and brother's father died. They have different father, and at the funeral when we were standing at his grave, my family was singing and my sister cried so much, i just started spontaneously dancing funny way, swinging side to side, and my sister, 18 years old, got so mad at me, she ran away crying, and i remember feeling so bad, but i was just a child i didn't know how to deal with that kind of sad situation. Please guys, remember, we are talking about a child here. Much love and blessings from Finland 💖🙏
I don't think Burke meant to kill her. I think when she snuck up and snatched some of his pineapple he reacted by grabbing the flashlight and hit her over the head not knowing the consequences. I do think he suffers from mental issues though, lacking empathy for one.
@@barbaraparker6996 There was no pineapple found in JonBenet’s digestive tract. Also, the head injury occurred after the rape, probably during the garroting, according to the pathologists.
@@barbaraparker6996 According to the child abuse counselors and child psychologists who examined him after the murder by order of the court, Burke was a normal, mentally healthy, prepubescent boy. They should know.
My son is on the spectrum and I noticed some similarities. Does anyone know for sure if Burke is on the spectrum? That could explain the lack of emotion. This is just my opinion.
Excellent point. I have 2 kids on the spectrum. Evaluating their emotions/responses as if they were typical kids would be absurdly stupid and unprofessional.
Yes! I am no expert. But I agree with you. There is a whole story there just with Burke. He is how he is wired, but he also had a family full of unusual dynamics that protected him and carefully controlled the narrative. This family was all about appearances and to hell with the truth. Just because Burke may be on the spectrum does not make him guilty. But the red flags cannot be unseen--there is a lot he knows that he hasn't told.
Why did the police not ask to question Burke anyway as he was in the house at the time of the murder I think the Ramsey knew that Burke was hurting Jobenet on many occasions . R.i.P Jonbenet ❤❤❤
I agree. He may have/have had other problems as well, but the inappropriateness and flatness are pretty typical of an autistic spectrum disorder. One of my sons has this condition and at that age he was very unemotional as well.
This is just my OPINION: Burke was eating pineapple, JB ate a lil frm his bowl, he flipped out (since he hates to share), wanted to hurt her but killed her instead, he got sent to his room for punishment & also for Mr & Mrs R to figure out what to do
She wet the bed,had urine on her fingers and if you look at bowl,are droplets from pin fishing a piece up the wall of the bowl. They should of checked the milk for urine trace. Maybe Burke was in bathroom,came out to see her with urine pants fishing pineapple out of his bowl.. Hit her with something and they cleaned it up so could not tell where it occurred. Called all their friends for feeling of security in numbers with the police because all those people would make police feel as if they were dealing with entire community and not single guilty ones... Family 100% played the police easily..
@@lilycreek7101 My thoughts also. If Burke hit JB, surely the community would see it as a tragic accident, and sympathise with the Ramsey's. Due to his age, he also wouldnt be prosecuted. Why go to the lengths of degrading and torturing their own daughter further to stage a ridiculous kidnapping which screams 'inhouse'
I'm pretty confindent there's a lack of attachment not just regarding John but also Patsy. He literally watched his mother on the verge of death. I'm sure it traumatized him. And when she recovered all her attention went to Jonbenet. It might be hard to grasp but I think he just didn't like Jonbenet and was happy when she was out of the picture.To me that makes sense even if he's got nothing to do with her death and I think that's also what showed in the more recent Dr.Phil interview.
none of that applies. she was killed by a nut case intruder. therefore all the other theories to try to apply the killer to known people-------------are moot.
@@debbiebelden4359 With Ovarian Cancer,a host of terrible symptom's come with.. Pain,soars, drainage,gas) would make any woman gladly avoid marital relations. Given that fact,This little girl was a baby and not even developed. I do not think a adult could even make that work,but maybe a another child. Children do not know of garrote though,so public library rental,school pc hard drives,other media could have gave info and left a trail if a youth but adult would sure know to cover..
Why does Burke at the funeral look like he’s absolutely LOVING this?! So many different pics of him at the funeral where he is smiling and almost laughing in some of them? What the hell?!
That might be and he was a little boy, inside his world, not so connected with what is going around or might be that he was the only one to have parents attention!
@@terminator2660 I think he was told just like a lot of people do before a funeral, told something like we are going to say our final goodbyes to your sister. I feel that's the reason for his being happy or excited because it was over after the funeral and he wouldn't have to worry about seeing her anymore or hearing about her.
No he didn't do it! Ramsey was no christian but high ranking freemason! It got to do with satanic ritual abused gone wrong normal for occulties family to sexualy abused their family member. It got to do with pedophilia and hillary clinton blackmailed and extortion. Christin Marcy got the video during the ritual abused
Freeman, they don't put a boy in prison. It is not easy. If he did it at 9....he did not know he was committing a crime. Hitting his sister was not a crime for him. I think Burke is innocent.
Both the suitcase near the window, and the ransom note were merely decoys. That means no outside intruder and no kidnapper. The killer was inside the house.
@@nbenefiel DNA is touch DNA coming from multiple sources; it could have come from the garment manufacturer or even someone having touched the blanket or Rockies shirt thrown on top of her. Various prints don't match up to anyone. They could have been there from the prior owner. The garrote was a twisting rope. We can't find the rope, but we know who owned the broken paint brush used to twist it. Two things are missing: the rope and duct tape. How can we believe the intruder brought his own rope and duct tape, but had to use a pen, writing pad, and paint brush from the house. It's more likely the rope and tape were disposed of because they could be traced back to the owner from the inside of the tape roll (showing manufacturer) and the full length of the cord indicating where purchased.
My kids cannot talk about their father's violent death many years later and now that they are very mature adults. They loved him so much. It traumatizes them all over again. Some things we don't dare think about.
I believe in my opinion all signs point to the family doing a cover up from lying about the pineapple and I believe that was found in her stomach and the Three-page ransom note that Experts said looked like Patsy handwriting and the paper came from the fathers study from his desk along with the practice ransom note found in the house. The Parents were obviously were in a panic to cover up for who? I watched a story online where Patsy best friend said Patsy was at her wits end because Burke was always hitting and hurting the little sister and she couldn’t control him. Hence he hit her in the cheek with a golf club also smearing poop on her bed and candy I believe and they said he was very jealous and got extremely upset if someone touch his food. I believe he has some issues and he was very jealous of his sister and killed her maybe he didn’t realize what he was doing and it was an accident and the Parents covered it up to save Burke from being taken away and losing there son and only remaining child in the household.. I also believe the mother cared about how things looked to there friends in there community. All signs in my opinion point to the mother and father being in a panic and I don’t believe Patsy or John killed there beloved daughter on Christmas day and nothing can make me believe otherwise.
Jon Benet went to the hospital often wih injuries that looked like they came from Burke. I mena it should have been a cue for Patsy to stop the pageants. JonBenet was also suffering extreme stress as a result. But she couldnt get over her own vanity and living vicariously through her daughter, could she? And the father only cares about his rpeutation and prestige and what not. They never cared about either of the Children.
The golf club incident was when he was six and she stood too close behind him as little children often do. Patsy immediately took her to the hospital. Linda Pugh who was one of the Crew that instigated the kidnapping spread the lie about the "poop." Where has this ever been documented by an outside source? Where did you hear this "story line" that "he was always hitting her?" She didn't get killed on Christmas Day. It was after midnight that the attacks and torture began and the final blow to her head occurred around 6:00 am.
@@michelek868 there was no pineapple found in JonBenet’s digestive system. Her stomach and upper intestine were empty. Her lower intestine constrained a whitish mass which had been consumed well before death, most likely at the party.
@@wrongturnVfor JonBenet did not repeatedly go to the hospital for injuries caused by Burke. That is simply not true. Their paediatrician, Francesco Beuf, made a statement in which he said that both Burke and JonBenet were normal, healthy kids.
Look at the case of Michael Crowe that little boy went through hell the police put him through hell because his sister died in the room next to him okay he was interrogated in and investigated and locked up and so was his parents and other sibling the whole family will subjected to the interrogation why because they were average people
@@aggie8115 Where are you going with your 'white' privilege? Was OJ Simpson a black privilege then? They are people with money that got off. Money gives people privilege.
@@aggie8115 What appears to some people to be "white privilege" is often just a successful person who has the resources and support system to navigate the world of legality, and the world in general There are people who, instead of thinking clearly about others who seem to have more, or move more easily through the world, simply label them with a non existent condition, white privilege Those who label WP, appear to think they were cheated somehow by whites appearing to always have a benefit not available to others of different races. Those who use this term will always be stuck in a childish way of viewing the world, that it is unfair and it is the fault of white people. For the have nots this is the easiest way to resolve in themselves why their are disparities in the world. For these people it is easy to just blame a race for the fact that they are just more efficient in the world. They have more opportunities because someone worked hard to provide things and opportunities for them. Those who label whites think there should be some sort of over all system of justice that doles out benefits equally to every one in life, that system does not exist. Many self made men and women, black and white, started with nothing and still managed to make good and successful lives for themselves. The Ramsey's were college educated and had an affluent life style. They were not given their education, their jobs, house or income because they are white, they earned those things, and provided them for their children. If they have cheated the system and are guilty and hiding something, it is not because of WP, it is because they are unethical people. Race relations will be at an impasse forever because of people who cannot get past the childish and abusive use of this label. Kind regards.
The Ramseys had many powerful friends, they would never have called the police and have them show at the house when the note said not to. They would have called their lawyer and with him the FBI.
@@cmwillisful that's been my opinion also. If different parts of her clothing had the same male DNA then I've always thought to rule the family out. Man we never have crimes that are this baffling in the UK
@@cmwillisful the head wound would likely have killed her if the strangulation had not happened at all. DNA testing technology was at the time still in toddlerhood at best, but really it’s infancy, where inconclusive results were the norm.
I read something saying jonbenet had told friends that santa claus was going to pay her a special visit after Christmas. She also said that people in robes did things ( sexual) to her. She was allegedly treated often for urinary tract infections.
I really don’t pay to much attention to the special visit from Santa. They were going to Michigan to celebrate a second Christmas with John’s older kinds. Maybe someone said Santa would come again while they were in Michigan...it would be special, because he would be coming a day later. That can be explained away. I haven’t heard about the people in robes.
JonBenet referring to people in robes doing sexual things to her is extremely disturbing as are the urinary tract infections. I recall watching a TH-cam clip where someone high up in political system on his deathbed said she was sexually abused yet this time it went too far. This is a crazy world and I believe there's a lot of darkness in Colorado and ritualistic type activities which include children.
There was no kidnapping why write a ransom note? Inside the home? If someone was going to kidnap a child wouldn't you bring the note already written or made a call telling them you have the child? That alone is proof of a cover up!
Is no one going to mention how pedophiles mostly take kids and do things to them away from their home? I can't recall a case of a murdered child being killed and left inside the home by a pedophile or rapist.
@@Doris-lw5te There are Indications that Jonbenet was murdered by intruders who had INSIDE knowledge of the Ramsey's house and family.Their Motivations included greed, hatred, sadism and pedophilia. I. CORD USED ON JONBENET STEVE THOMAS DEPOSITION: Q: LIN WOOD A: STEVE THOMAS Q: "Did you ever find any cord in the 16 house from which the garrote or the rope that 17 tied her hands together was from? Did you 18 ever find that? 19 A. No. As far as I know, the cord 20 used on the victim was never sourced to 21 anything in the house. 2. ITEMS LISTED IN WOLF V RAMSEY *Numerous items were found that cannot be sourced to the Ramsey's "The black duct tape used on JonBenet's mouth has also not been sourced to defendants. (SMF ¶ 170; PSMF ¶ 170.) Both ends of the duct tape found on her were torn, indicating that it came from a roll of tape that had been used before. (SMF ¶ 171; PSMF ¶ 171.) No similar duct tape was found in the house, nor is there evidence that defendants ever used or owned such duct tape. (SMF ¶ 172; PSMF ¶ 172.) Plaintiff also notes that the strip of duct tape found on JonBenet's mouth *1332 had a bloody mucous on it and a "perfect set of child's lip prints, which did not indicate a tongue impression or resistance." (PSDMF ¶ 53.) Animal hair, alleged to be from a beaver, was found on the duct tape. (SMF ¶ 183; PSMF ¶ 183.) Nothing in defendants' home matches the hair. (SMF ¶ 183; PSMF ¶ 183.) Dark animal hairs were found on JonBenet's hands that also have not been matched to anything in defendants' home. (SMF ¶ 184; PSMF ¶ 184.) Several recently-made unidentified shoeprints were found in the basement, imprinted in mold growing on the basement floor. (SMF ¶ 151; PSMF ¶ 151.) In particular, a shoeprint of a "HI-TEC" brand mark on the sole of a shoe was found. (SMF ¶ 152; PSMF ¶ 152.) Defendants do not own any "HI-TEC" brand shoes, and none of the shoes found in their home match the shoeprint marks. (SMF ¶ 153; PSMF ¶ 153.) Another partial shoeprint was found near where JonBenet's body was found. (SMF ¶ 155; PSMF ¶ 155.) This shoeprint left only a partial logo. The owner of the "HI-TEC" shoe that made the shoeprints at the murder scene has never been identified. (SMF ¶ 154, 155; PSMF ¶ 154, 155.) In addition, on the wine-cellar door, there is a palmprint that does not match either of defendants' palmprints. (SMF ¶ 156; PSMF ¶ 156.) The individual to whom it belongs had not yet been identified. (SMF ¶156; PSMF ¶ 156.)" Wolf v. Ramsey, 253 F. Supp. 2d 1323 (N.D. Ga. 2003) Finally, items were left behind that defendants assert they did not own. (Defs.' Br. In Supp. Of Summ. J. [67] at 18-19.) A baseball bat not owned by the Ramseys found on the north side of the house has fibers consistent with fibers found in the carpet in the basement where JonBenet's body was found. (SMF ¶ 185; PSMF ¶ 185.) A rope was found inside a brown paper sack in the guest bedroom of defendants' home, neither of which belonged to defendants. (SMF ¶ 181; PSMF ¶ 181.) Small pieces of the brown sack material were found in the "vacuuming" of JonBenet's bed and in the body bag that was used to transport her body. (SMF ¶ 181; PSMF ¶ 181.) Brown cotton fibers on JonBenet's body, the paintbrush, the duct tape and on the ligature were not sourced and do not match anything in the Ramsey home. (SMF ¶ 181; PSMF ¶ 181.)law.justia.com/cases/federal/district-courts/FSupp2/253/1323/2567726/ law.justia.com/cases/federal/district-courts/FSupp2/253/1323/2567726/ 3. DNA NOT BELONGING TO FAMILY DNA test results from January 1997 indicate that evidence under JonBenet’s fingernails and on her underwear did not match any of her family members or friends. The DNA test results were sent from Colorado’s Bureau of Investigation to lead detective Thomas Trujillo on Jan. 15, 1997.John Ramsey, JonBenét’s father, told Fox News Digital Thursday that he did not learn of the DNA results for a long time. “It didn’t fit [the investigators’] conclusion that one of us was the killer,” he said. “They did eventually notify the district attorney about six months later.”nypost.com/2023/02/10/dna-in-jonbenet-ramsey-case-did-not-match-parents-friends/ The profile from her underwear was entered into CODIS (the national DNA database) in 2003 six years after it was known. www.crimemuseum.org/crime-library/cold-cases/jonbenet-ramsey/ 4. GRAND JURY UNAWARE OF DNA EVIDENCE BECAUSE THEY WERE DISMISSED OCTOBER 13, 1999 AND THE SUBSTANTIAL DNA LISTED IN FBI'S CODIS DAABASE UNTIL 2003. *In September 1998, a grand jury was convened to investigate the murder. The following year, on October 13, 1999, Boulder County District Attorney dismissed the Grand Jury. In other words, the Grand Jury was never to know of the DNA from an unknown male, not from any of the Ramsey's.www.history.com/this-day-in-history/grand-jury-dismissed-in-jonbenet-ramsey-murder-case II. There is evidence of others' with the motivation, the means and the opportunity to commit this heinous crime. *The insider - Linda Pugh: Motivation. Money. Means: Had key, knew house inside and out including the basement room with the in floor safe where Jonbenet's body was found. Knew the Ramsey's schedule, Patsy's handwriting and expressions and had identical pads and pens taken from Patsy's along with copies of Patsy's handwriting. She knew where Patsy kept her note pad and pen. She knew where JonBenet's clothing, bedding and Burke's knife were kept. She knew Santa Bill AKA Prof. Wm. McReynolds. *The Mastermind - Chris Wolf: Hatred of John Ramsey No alibi. Evidence of Hatred towards John both before and after the murder. . Had handwriting more like that of the Ransom Note than Patsy. Knew the type of movies referenced in the Ransom Note. Santa Bill AKA Prof.William McReynolds who was his faculty adviser. He initially lied about that under oath. Was a convicted sex offender but he also intially lied about that under oath. He was a male stripper who performed live sex acts with both sexes. Rock climber who knew knot tying. Had clothing with SBTC on it. Had to be shackled when taken in for questioning in January, 1997. He was not questioned again for 13 months. My opinion is based on evidence and facts and they do not point to the Ramsey's. I don't particularly like the Ramsey's but that is irrelevant. I do admire that they devoted their lives to trying to find the killer or killers out there who could have continued to commit crimes for all we know. There was a similar case nine months later and it was the molestation of a young lady who went to the same dance school as JonBenet. The intruder got in despite a dog and an alarm and waited until about 2:00 am. When the mother, sleeping in the bedroom nearby, heard strange noises, she went to the room, the INTRUDER pushed past her and jumped off of the second floor porch roof. This is PROOF POSITIVE that an intruder can do such a thing. And the Ramsey's house had a lot more places to hide and wait and the basement was so far from the third floor where the Ramsey's slept that it would have been impossible to hear noises from there all the way up to the third floor as the Grand Jury discovered when they went to the house. Of course JB had duct tape over her mouth and that in itself would have made it hard for her to scream. There was an open air duct in the room she was found in and sound would have traveled out of that to the outside much more easily than up four flights of stairs. nypost.com/2023/02/10/dna-in-jonbenet-ramsey-case-did-not-match-parents-friends/
The note was brilliant. It accomplished two things. It transferred suspicion from a proposed kidnapper to Patsy, at the same time delaying the discovery of the body by 7 hours. If the murderer left the house around 3 am, which seems the latest she could have died, the killer could have been hundreds of miles away by then.
yes. many in a long list of doesn't-make-them-look-good choices. such as inviting friends over before the police, calling the police when warned in the ransom note not to, not worrying about the times of the ransom note caller, moving the body, disappearing during the morning of to retrieve mail and develop photos (read arndt's report), refusing to have the body exhumed for reexamination of evidence. etc! etc!
Each day, I anxiously await for you to release a new video. This case is so cold, I am thrilled that it is getting some attention and new eyes on the case.
a small foreign faction murdered Burke's sister in their own home (apparently) yet the parents didn't even show concern this foreign faction could come back for Burke considering the first kidnapping attempt failed. THEY WARNED THE RAMSEYS THAT THEY WERE UNDER CLOSE SCRUTINY which could have meant 24/7 every day of the week.........yet that didn't concern them with sending Burke back to school without protection. Why? 99% of parents would be scared to death of allowing their other child out of their sight and paid for police protection OR home schooled. connect the dots..........
@@sallie6 When Burke returned to school, the Ramseys hired two security guards to protect the outside of Burke’s school and organized a group of volunteers to sit in the back of his class and make sure he was safe. As soon as the school year ended, the Ramseys left Boulder.
There was SOME reason he balked at "pineapple" like a horse may stop short at danger. It is observable and not a natural response for either NT or somewhat ND persons. So what would have prompted that reaction in a similarly situated child? (Although this child already lives in a reality much different from that of most children, so it may be difficult to imagine a similarly situated child.) There is so much toxic between the pathology, venal or not, and privilege. Ugh.
Patsy called the police at 5:55. The police were there by 6:06. John searched the second floor. Burke was asleep. By 7:00 he was at the Whit’s house. He knew his sister was missing and, according to those present was very upset. JonBenet’s body was found at 1:00 pm. At 2:00 pm, Burke was questioned by the police. Neither his parents nor an attorney were present. The police said he knew nothing about it except that his sister was missing.
Why does everyone think a 9 year old is capable of the way she was murdered. You have zero proof. I want proof of who i think did it, but no one has proof.
@@paigewatsonx1512 Truth. And I think I know who. By connecting the dots, some of which are obscured. But, rest assured, there will be judgment for whomever did this vile thing. Make no mistake.
@@ceruleanc505 there was snow on the ground around the home. There were no footprints leading to the broken window, or indeed anywhere else around the home except for the front door. The killer walked in the front door killed his sister and his parents freaked out, didnt want to lose two children, and staged the crime scene. More evidence is that when they noticed their child was missing they didnt check the basement?! If my kid was missing I'd check every corner of the home idc how big my house was. Anyway, when the cop escorted John to look in the basement FINALLY, the cop said John started running into the basement before the light was even turned on. The cop couldnt see anything but John knew her body was there without light and started running into the completely dark basement... What does that say to you?
@@kimbrundige6320 those who actually knew them said he and his sister were very close and that he was very protective of her. No one ever claimed he was cruel to her.
To be fair, children can have a different perception. When I went through a divorce, my young sons were required to meet with a counselor and they thought it was really dumb to be there. They just wanted to play . Of course other than the divorce there was not anything traumatic going on in the background. Burke does seem a little off, but it seems his youth should be factored in with everything else.
@@mws755 Burke had to be sheltered throughout his life because of his fame over the widely publicized case. her. Pugh testified for hours before the Grand Jury and has been quoted extensively in the press and in the seminal book about the early days of the investigation Lawrence Schiller's "Perfect Murder, Perfect Town." Pugh also sued to obtain the right to include information she'd given the Grand Jury in her "book." She ended up with one chapter of a planned book she titled "The Death of an Innocent." In this "book" she points out how well she knew Patsy's handwriting and expressions. She boasted that she'd received many handwritten notes from Patsy which is the way Patsy instructed her about what jobs she wanted Pugh to do when she came. She also made an about face. She'd told Schiller Patsy never made a big deal about Jonbenet's bedwetting. In her chapter, however, she claims she "many times" saw Patsy take JB to the bathroom, then heard JB screaming behind the closed door. Every person connected to the Ramsey household had been interviewed early on by the BPD, including Pugh, and they never heard that the Ramsey's had ever used corporal punishment. Jonbenet was a happy, extroverted bundle of energy, not a sullen, shy or frightened child. This would not have been the case if Pugh's contradictory tale were true. Pugh is even quoted in Schiller's book of calling Jonbenet "a spoiled brat." *Why was the Ransom Note only for $118 thousand instead of a huge sum. Pugh and her "Crew" wanted to get John down in the basement to open the in ground safe in which they imagined that there would be much more substantial value. By demanding the Ramsey's not notify the police, they hoped he'd be tempted just to get the money out of the safe. If the Ramsey's had written the note they would have asked for a more believable amount. Why? Because they would have known they'd never have to pay anyone but themselves. They would have used a much more reasonable figure. *Why did the Ransom Note end up on the stairs? Pugh knew Patsy went down those stairs every morning to make coffee. *Why was the Ransom Note COPIED on to Patsy pad? This would cleverly seem to implicate the Ramsey's. * Did Pugh actually write the note herself? No, but a former stripper, convicted sex offender, rock climber and journalist did. Here's a sample of his writing compared to the Ransom Note.than Patsy's: imgur.com/r/JonBenet/8Ha6H4C "Forensic document examiner Lloyd Cunningham cannot eliminate plaintiff (Wolf) as the author of the Ransom Note. (SMF ¶ 279; PSMF ¶ 279.) Plaintiff's ex-girlfriend has also testified she believes that he is the note's author. (J. Brungardt Aff. ¶ 43.) Carnes Report You can see his handwriting was more like the Ransom Note's than Patsy's was.
You mention at around the 12:00 mark that Burke looked and acted like he was "enjoying himself" during this interview. I've always had the feeling that he DID enjoy himself with all of the media attention, the interviews, etc. He had spent his childhood watching his sister get tons of attention and he probably didn't get a lot. He's such an odd child imo. But I do believe he was, at the very least, quite emotionally neglected by both parents, and all of the attention on him was exciting. He seemed to laugh and smile throughout all of his interviews, the memorial services and the funeral. He never seems the least bit bothered by the fact that his little sister was brutally murdered in his home.
They told him she was "in heaven now". Surely you don't think they would have revealed the gory details? He probably thought it was a happy ending for both of them, her in heaven, and himself as the only child, getting all the attention, treats and presents.
@@thatswhatisaid8908I think he already knew the details because he was the one that killed her. I think his temper was in full display. When he saw what he did he got the parents. This is just my opinion.
@@katherinechatham9032 We know he didn't write the ransom note and careful examination by six experts who gave sworn affidavits at the Wolf v Ramsey Trial concluded that Patsy was 4.5 on a scale of 5 that she did not write the note. When JB was three and Burke six she stood to close behind him and got clipped by Burke's backswing of his toy golf club. Patsy immediately took JB to the hospital and they reassured her. The medical evidence points to JB being accosted and strangled BEFORE she was hit over the head causing an 8 1/2" fracture. This is because there were scratches around the ligatures on her neck and her own skin plus the skin of an unknown male found under her fingernails. If she'd received such a severe blow it would have rendered her unconscious and unable to try to save herself. Many people don't know about the following: JB WAS 'SET UP' TO EXPECT SANTA TO COME AFTER CHRISTMAS: 00. 1996-12-24: The day before Christmas, JonBenet was at Megan's house playing. (Perfect Murder Perfect Town PMPT Pg50sb) 00. 1996-12-24: JBR: "Santa Claus promised that he would make a secret visit after Christmas" (PMPT Pg50sb) 00. 1996-12-24: JonBenet insisted. "He said this would be after Christmas. And it's a secret." (PMPT Pg50sb) "Looking back, I always thought that if anybody wanted to do major damage to this family, they could do it at Christmas, because they all adored Christmas. -Bill McReynolds" (PM,PT) P 292 www.acandyrose.com/s-neighbors-barbara-kostanick.htm She was not stun gunned until she was already in the basement. This more likely was done to torture her, not to subdue her. She did not need to be subdued until she was taken to the basement. Why? Someone dressed as Santa carried her down to the basement. She could have been quietly taken by "SANTA" who had signaled her for silence. She had already been set up to believe she would get a Santa surprise AFTER Christmas. What better way to get a child to go with a stranger than if she had been set up for a visit by SANTA? There were dark animal hairs in addition to one of the bristles from the paint brush found on the duct tape and her hands. The Ramsey's did not have any animal with dark hairs or fur. Patsy's clothes were checked both in Boulder and in Michigan and still no dark animal hairs were found. However a Santa Claus suit was found and taken in to evidence by the BPD.
Who told her about Santa? Surely that would be prime suspect? Where was the suit found? How come no suspect was identified with the suit nail matter and the origin of the santa visiting story? Where did you get all this info?
Burke was in the kitchen with his mother after Jon Benet had gone to bed. Mom fixed Burke a bowl of pineapple. Burke was glad to have some alone time with his Mom since Jon Benet got so much attention. Jon Benet gets up and comes into the kitchen. She grabs a single piece of pineapple and eats it. (One piece of undigested pineapple was found in Jon Benet's stomach at autopsy). Burke gets angry and picks up the metal flashlight from the counter and hits the little girl over the head and she dies. The coverup by the parents started from there.
I have a lot of different theories on this, but one of the main reasons that I would believe Burke took partner’s crime is because he stayed in bed. A lot of people think he stayed in bed because he was told to do so. But think about it these children were spoiled, and just like all children don’t have great impulse control. If he even had an inkling that something weird was going on, especially knowing he was going to fly that morning and have another Christmas. There’s no way he would’ve stayed in bed for as long as his parents wanted him to. He would’ve got anxious and got upset and Got up asking why he can’t come out of his bed. What his behavior tells me is that he did some thing and he is obviously worried about getting in trouble so he’d rather stay out of sight. I literally did the same thing as a kid when I broke something in the middle of the night and was afraid my parents would find out when they woke up. I was usually the first one out, but I would not come out of my room until addressed. And if it is true, that on the 911 call you hear him say, what did you fine, this would also make a lot of sense.
@@agag3449 What? The murder took place sometime after 1:00 AM. Everyone was asleep. The police were called at 5:55 and arrived soon after 6:00. Both John and Patsy had checked on Burke who was asleep. By 7:00, Burke was awake, dressed and safely at the White’s house. He was hardly hanging around in bed.
She had pineapple in her stomach at autopsy, parents say she had no pineapple at the parry they where at. In the morning the police find a bowel of pinallpe out with finger prints of mom and brother on it. Her brother and or mother where up and she took a piece of pineapple out of the bowel with out touching it. One or both of them where up and got the pinallple and milk because Jobenet did not leave her prints so she did not prep the snack after every one else.claimed they where in bed asleep
There was no evidence of fresh, frozen or canned pineapple in the house.We do know that the Victim's Advocates called in by the police went out at about 11:00 and bought fruit and bagels for the people there who had not had anything since they'd rushed over. There was no undigested food found in her stomach. The contents of her digestive system were sent to U of Colorado scientists and their report indicated that the greenish viscous material in her small intestine contained not just pineapple residue but also from grapes, grape skins and cherries. This would indicate fruit cocktail not just pineapple. Burke did have his fingerprints on the bowl as he and Patsy had a ritual where he'd pass the dishes from the dishwasher to her to put away. The bowl was full of pineapple and a big serving spoon was there. The children were not deprived of food and it is absurd that Burke would have not given her pineapple from the dish. But when Boulder police finally had the material in her stomach tested at the University of Colorado in Boulder in October of 1997, they found out two months later in December, that the material was pineapple, plus grapes, grape skins, and cherries. That is food similar to that found in a fruit cocktail." ”According to previously unreleased BPD reports, laboratory testing revealed that JonBenét also ate cherries and grapes as well as pineapple. Remnants of cherries were found in the stomach/ proximal area of her small intestine. “Another item besides pineapple was cherries.” (BPD Report #1-1348.) In that same report: “Another item besides pineapple was grapes.” (BPD Report #1-1348.) Another report expands on the grapes, saying “grapes including skin and pulp.” (BPD Report #1-349.) (WHYD) * Was the pineapple the only fruit found in JB's digestive system? A: No. The U. of Colorado scientists were tasked by the CBI with examining the contents. They found grapes, grape skins, and cherries in addition to the pineapple. books.apple.com/us/book/we-have-your-daughter/id1141521638
If he killed her for taking pineapple then wouldn't it just be in her stomach? I believe it was in her intestines somewhere. Is that right? 2 to 4 hours to get there.
Come to think of it, I’ve seen too many parents who are in denial over their child’s autism, like it’s a bad reflection on them. I’m now thinking maybe that was the reason for her mother’s obsession with the little show stage business with her daughter. Raising a special needs child is tragic, hard and mentally draining, especially if you had high expectations and dreams for them. It would be a way for the mother to escape the reality of Burke’s mental health and take it even to extremes, filling her days on the calendar and making this part of her world perfect and beautiful. I now strongly feel this was the case.
@rebekahcrossman4690 Jonbenet's teacher said she would have Jonbenet take children to the nurse because she was mature and empathetic. Burke was a good student, did well in Scouting and Sailing, had many friends and Patsy would always write of his successes in their family news letter. Burke is a college graduate and has never been in trouble.
@@rebekahcrossman4690 After the murder, by order of the court, Burke was examined by both child abuse specialists and child psychologists. They all found him to be a normal, mentally healthy prepubescent boy. No diagnosis of autism or any other mental disorder.
Bed wetting does not necessarily mean there is trauma or stress in the home. My daughter is 8 and she sleeps so hard that she won’t wake up so she wets the bed. Many kids are like this. He hid it because it’s embarrassing for a child. Also him running around playing at a funeral.. well kids don’t understand grief in the way we do. This is normal too. Shock can definitely cause it too.
Everyone who actually knew these people said that JonBenet and Burke were very close. I think they probably knew better than someone who never even met any of them.
Dr Phil excused all his smirking and laughing as part of being "on the spectrum". Phil's questioning was a gift to his pal John Ramsey and at behest of the lawyer they shared, Lin Wood another goof ball. It was a total cover up to stop investigating Burke and John Ramsey. His refusal to identify pineapple was excused as some other mild issue. When Burke said "i know what happened" someone could have said, "Oh good. Tell me what happened." But, no. To protect John and Patsy? No one mentions him hitting her in the head with a golf club years earlier. He might like hitting someone in the head. The Ramseys left alive were all liars.
@@bethryan9077 you certainly believe the Ramseys are all innocent. Burke made millions and which silenced a lot of people. John Ramsey left the scene to go to the airport, no one was allowed to question the Ramseys version of events, but they wrote books even though they had testified to grand jury and everyone else who testified - like the housekeeper - were told they could never speak, and housekeeper was threatened when she tried to write book about what she knew. Not being able to tell what she knew drove her into a breakdown. You have a lo of info, you may be right, but I think Burke was there for the 911 call and did poop in her bed etc. Dr Phil, John Ramsey and Lin Wood (the nut lawyer) were all buddies and John sued TV networks for millions. John Ramsey knew he was mucking the crime scene, people were silenced so truth will always be hidden. The luck of the monied class?
One reason I don’t think Burke was involved is because he would have slipped during one of these interviews. No way a 10 year would lie so well while being questioned for hours multiple times. However, the ransom note seemed to be written by a child. You have to have lots of imagination to be able to write this elaborate( fictional) story. It gives me a child vibe reading it. It’s so puzzling, but one theory IMO cannot be true is that an intruder did this.
I'm not being funny, but are u crazy??? Honestly what child wants to shout it from the roof tops that they wet the bed??. I had a bed wetting problem and when I was a child I was totally embarrassed by it, I would never have admitted it, if a stranger asked me if I wet the bed, actually when I did at times get asked, I would deny it, I was embarrassed I seriously cannot understand how u cannot see that, I mean, u tend to get it right a lot of the time, even down to ur empathetic thoughts of the children when opening the xmas presents, how they may have felt, so it does strike me odd that u would not be able to see the little boy was probably totally ashamed and embarrassed when asked. Soz but had to make that point ;-)
I had a cousin many years ago who was a bed wetter until 14 or 15, and he was mortified. He would get up and wash his sheets and remake the bed in the middle of the night. Turns out his father was also a bed wetter til his teens. I did a little research and the way i understand it, it’s caused by a lack of a certain brain enzyme that helps you wake when your bladder needs emptying. Just saying, being a bed wetter doesn’t make you a killer.
Yes Burke's behaviour and reactions in the aftermath of his sister's murder in the house he was sleeping in, was totally incongruous. It doesn't seem like John was there much with the family, for sure and I'm pretty sure a young boy wouldn't have enjoyed pageant life, as you said and Patsy was definitely obsessed with JonBenet and pageants. Perhaps he was so disconnected to the rest of his family because this whole dynamic kind of leaves him to himself. He may have had to adapt to being I his own little world, as he didn't seem to be part of his familie's lives. He does seem too happy though. I'm no expert at all, but something is wrong here. Ah, so Burke's angry reaction to someone having a sip of his soda is interesting in light of the pineapple. He reacted to something, so he didn't like sharing hey. Not at all. Interesting.
If Burke was able to get angry and upset at someone taking his pineapple or soda, then he has the ability to 'feel' emotion, yet he is not angry that someone killed his sister in his own home? He is not upset that his sister is gone?. He displays zero emotion when JB is talked about. When he is angry at someone for taking HIS things, i doubt he has a smile on his face at the time. He seemed full of glee (Asd spectrum or not). I see traits of narcissism (even at his young age) Something is rather off with him.
@@moonriver4275 I agree something is very off with Burke, Moon River (and that's putting it mildly, from the little I've seen of him. I'm very new to learning about JonBenet's death and surrounding circumstances. Great points and I like your name and love that song. 👍
@Beth Ryan This doesn't even make sense in relation to my opinion of Burke🙄 I have watched his online child interviews and behaviour. Something with him is 'unsual', and you can throw your toys out the pram all you like, and throw digs back. It will not change how I feel. How a great day, ma'am!
@@moonriver4275 Fair enough. We can all have opinions. My days of throwing " my toys out of the pram" are well and truly over. I would strongly suggest I'm not the immature one here. Intelligent adults can discuss things without such nonsense. Have a good day. 🌹
I think it was someone that was with the guy that supposedly committed suicide shortly after the murder. One of their dads was a big wig at General motors, can't remember their names but of all the theories and potential perps that makes the most sense to me., I can't understand why people still point at someone in the family, DNA ruled them all out.
@@royharper2003 I think you're close. I haven't watched many of these videos however no one looks to child trafficking. After Epstein is-land, I think the father had some connections through his work. The likes of what Epstein related people would do are unthinkable and they have the money to cover it up.
They gave it the Spanish name for media hype . This form of gaining grip leverage method is handed down by every grandfather,even taught in cub scouts. Media enjoying the fancy motif
Ok here's the deal.... She stole a piece of his pineapple out of his bowl. He grabbed the flashlight and whacked her over the head. How the folks find out I don't know if he told them, or they walk in and see. But the bottom line is that they were not going to see their son in prison for killing his sister. So, while mom's writing that silly little 3-page ransom book dad's down in the basement trying to set it up like she was killed by some mysterious killer on the loose. Who was so prepared he had to fashion a garrote using one of moms' paint brushes. Who just happened to know where a legal pad and a pen was. And y'know, the killer wants to write a good ransom note, so he sat there at the desk, and he makes a couple of practice runs and finally his masterpiece is complete, and he sits it on the back stair. Because he was proud of it and he fans it out just so, so they would be impressed too. I could go on, but my point is that the whole thing was obviously staged, and it was sloppy and obvious. And its comical at this point.
@@moody_blue_8189 no pineapples was found in JonBenet’s digestive tract. Obviously, she ate nothing after the party. The head injury occurred during or after the strangulation. According to Colorado law, a nine year old could not be charged with a crime. You ignore every verifiable fact in this case, the DNA, the pubic hair, the saliva, the skin under her nails, the various prints found at the scene. Frankly, I don’t think you know $#(+ about this case. You got nothing right.
@@bethryan9077 Wow! Thank you! I've learned more from your statement than I have over all of these years. Thank you for taking the time to clear it up for me. ❤
The summer before Christmas, summer ‘96 Burke hit JonBenet on the head with a golf club which required stitches. So hitting JonBenet wasn’t a novel thing. It had happened before. Burke of course feels safe he was the problem!
Burke may be guilty, I do not know ? But he may well be a child who does not act in the way of an average child due to undiagnosed Autistic Spectrum Disorder or developmental delay etc, which would affect his responses to questions and ability to communicate (therefore instinctively adding arm movements to his descriptions of what he imagined had happened to JonBenet and smiling at inappropriate times). Smearing faeces on walls / leaving 'grapefruit sized' faeces in his bed could be due to constipation problems/sensitivities due to Autism. Not wanting to share food or cans of soda could be due to Autism. Kids on the spectrum often do not want to share food, and also worry about germs from other people if they touch it. I could go on. I am not saying he is innocent, but I do feel sorry for him when I listen to some of the psychologists saying it is not normal for a child to act out his sister being hit with a hammer or being stabbed, because nobody points at an alternative possible innocent reason for his behaviour.
I work in the field of Autism and find his behavior similar to many children I’ve worked with. I think IF he did hurt/kill his sister he would not be able to carry on the lie. I just don’t think he could be both autistic and savvy at lying/covering up for himself or others. I think a lot of the Burke theory makes sense except this aspect. His detachment/inability to care about others would also prove difficult for him to know how to speak in a way that protects himself and his parents.
I agreed, there is a few things that bother me about the theory that Burke did it. I can see why it is thought Burke might have done it because the crime was child like, but Patsy was also child like behind closed doors. Burke did have behaviour problems but you would have behaviour problems if your parent had been beating your younger sister for months, ( Jonbenet had showed signs of prior vagina beatings, where no one could see the injuries) . If Burke committed the crime he was too young to be punished so there was no need to cover for him, also it would have been in his best interest to have gotten mental health help so it would have done no good for him to have covered it up. So I don't think Burke committed this crime.
I have always suspected Burke might have killed his sister, possibly by accident but maybe on purpose. Jonbenet was getting all the attention and Burke was sidelined. He must have resented her. Burke might have been told to stay in bed and he was definitely coached about what he should or should not say. I think Burke enjoyed the attention he was getting during the interviews. Up until then it was Jonbenet who got all the attention.
I think Burke did it by accident. I have two sons and they would fight a lot when they were children (about the same age as Burke and Jonbenet) sometimes they would get so called weapons to fight the other. For what ever reason I believe Jonbenet may have pushed Burke off of her bike or maybe she did stick her finger in his snack and he grabbed the flashlight and hit her over the head. The parents were there and had to make a decision whether to call for help or to protect Burke from being put into an asylum and not to mention the family being the center of ridicule from their community……. PATSY WAS NOT GOING TO HAVE THAT!!!!
@@sharonstrickland9625 If this did happen, i think it was silly of the parents to cover it up. If Patsy and John explained Burke hit her and didn't realise he had hurt her very badly (to the point of death) Surely, given that he was only 9 yrs old, the community and public would have perhaps empathised with the Ramsey's and sympathised? Why did Patsy and John panic so extensively, to the point of the garrote and other injuries to cover it up? Wouldn't this have looked like guilt and and inside job? Something about this just doesn't make sense.
I'm loving these jon Benet videos tcrs. Thank u!
@@r.c.miller6161 I really dont believe he need that money .
It is interesting how people tell us things about themselves by judging others. This is your way of thinking .... not TCRS. I admire his work and you can, of course, feel / think what you want. I just want people to think about what they say, or have some facts before they judge others ,who really try to do a difference
( by the way.... are you sitting comfortable while you watching this tragedy?)I guess it is interesting for you since you are here...🙃
@@r.c.miller6161 if that’s how you feel then why are you here? By you being here you are paying him.....you watching! Stop watching if that’s how you feel, leave the judgment and the insults! Besides, if anyone’s making money off this tragedy it’s the parents/family themselves! Nick is the last person to be making money off of this...what an ignorant comment SMH....
@Iluvfishng never said the family did anything. I like minding other people's business, and since u replied to me like this seems u do to! 😚
@Iluvfishng by you being on this site, makes you no better than the rest of us! And I disagree with you! If Burke was my son and he accidentally killed his sis, I would tell the TRUTH! THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH TELLING THE TRUTH! People these days act like telling the truth is this BAD thing...if the killing was an accident, be honest about it! Accidents happen everyday, we are human beings and we are not perfect! Yes there maybe consequences from telling the truth, but I would face them like any decent, honest human being would and should! But, I have a problem with people who act like they are holier than thou and lie, that’s what makes them guilty. When people lie is when they are choosing one child over the other (the dead one)! What if Burke did do it and the parents covered it up...are you saying it’s ok for them to cover it up as an attempt to keep the rest of the family together at the expense of JonBenet’s life?! So you are saying it’s ok for JonBenet to lose her life but not ok for Burke and the rest of the family to lose face bcos they might have accidentally killed JonBenet?! Do you not believe JonBenet deserves to have her murderer be brought to justice? Even if it might be one of her family members that did it, don’t you think it is right for them to own up to it so JonBenet’s soul can be at peace?! One more thing, if that family did accidentally kill that little girl and tried to cover it up, then YES, it’s despicable they would be making money off the tragedy!
And you are right, we don’t know if whether the family really is guilty but that’s why we are all here on TCRS to discuss it! You act as though myself and everyone here have passed our judgment on the Ramsey family and we all decided they are guilty! The fact is we don’t know what actually happened, the case is still open and this is a place where we can gather to throw ideas and discuss what we think happened. You are not the only one that lived through this tragedy, I was 17 when this murder occurred. We are not here to JUDGE anyone. You are truly ignorant, you see only GOD CAN JUDGE! I can only state my own feelings in what I think happened. And If we’re busy bodies to you, then you shouldn’t be here listening to these posts and reading our comments. And since you felt the need to call me out publicly, I feel the need to let you know publicly my response, and it is: I can think and feel anyway I like about this case. It is my own opinion and it is non of your business. You can keep your judgment of me to yourself...you don’t even know me...SMH
@Slapshot Yo Dusty...sorry to burst your bubble, but ya ain’t the Clapper!
I think the person who carried Jon Benet up from the basement knows exactly what happened.
You can jus say her dad
No way
People don't wake up 1 day at 55 years old and rape and kill their 6 year old without having issues in the past
Patsy wrote the letter, that's really all we need to know
As well as everyone else that lived in that house!
The fact that the Ramseys weren’t the least bit concerned about Burke’s safety at school was a dead giveaway regarding the so-called “murderous stranger intruder”: the Ramseys knew full well that their son wasn’t at any risk whatsoever from the general public 😏
Very telling!
Absolutely 💯
Because if there really WERE someone out there issuing ransom notes... then there's no reason at all that this "unknown individual" may come after Burke!
My remaining kid(s) would be under lock and key!
Very true
On 9/11 I picked up kiddos from school
Actually, I have not come to any conclusion about guilt here, but this isn't true. The Ramsey's had hired security for Burke. They even had some stationed outside his classroom (s) at the school, but then the school said it was disruptive so they found another solution that included ppl at the school.
@@gina.1 Yes but its also telling that on that fateful evening Burke remained in his bedroom sleeping .
He wasn't woken until hours later and then Burke was whisked off to a friends house. Now i don't know about u
but no way would i be leaving a kid unattended in the bedroom during that period. For all anyone knows that kidnapper could be hiding in there somewhere.
It's not a risk any parent would take and yet..
It seems Colorado features quite a bit in notorious crimes.
Like?
Some Colorado murderers: Christopher Watts, Denver Strangler, Ted Bundy (3 known victims in CO), Joseph Corbett, James Holmes (12 victims), Robert Dear (3 killed), Eric Harris & Dylan Klebold (13 killed at Columbine), the killer of JonBenet Ramsey, Richard Kirk, etc. Several of those killed in the 2000s.
@@brittaolson6550 Patrick Frazee, and 2 unsolved cases in the news now are Christine Cummings and Suzanne Morphew. Both of their husbands are suspects at the moment. But just adding to your list that was long enough of Colorado murderers 🤦♀️ I know murder happens everywhere but so many in one state is horrifying 😢
@@chrissylee325 Thank you so much. I knew there was a recent one or more I was missing. I had Frazee in the back of my mind, somewhere. I know there are a lot of murders in the Pacific Northwest, too, and a lot in Wisconsin, my closest neighboring state. All of those areas have densely wooded areas with evergreens for miles, so it could be partly opportunity (although that doesn’t explain the public murders). I know I feel extremely depressed when I lived in Oregon & Washington...maybe there’s something about not getting much sun for most of the year, also the case in Wisconsin & I’m not sure about Colorado, though I’m sure there are valleys with fog and smog there, as well. It’s easy for reclusive woods & mountain people to come to mind, but so many of them occur in populous areas, that’s probably a stereotype. I have heard of a few cases where people were murdered in my state, Minnesota, and buried in the woods of Wisconsin, though, so it could be that ease of concealment gives some killers a false sense of security. Maybe murders in the, usually peaceful, North country are just more reported on. I have lived briefly in places like Chicago and New York, where murders were frequent and didn’t make news. All I know is it must be hard to feel safe, with random murders happening around you!
@@brittaolson6550 yes exactly! Especially the ones in Colorado in recent years have mostly been by the husband. If I was a single woman in Colorado I think I would be scared to date lol
For once Burke was being paid attention to. No wonder he is happy. He was always in the background. His sister received all the attention.
This is why Burke is happy during these interviews
You'd think an older child who knew their sibling has been killed by a stranger in their house, a safe space, is very odd
Burke is always smiling, not just during interviews. He is possibly in the percentages.
Burke was not happy, he was nervous as all get out.
Burke was shy and introverted. He adored JonBenet who was perky, sparkly and outgoing. Burke was hardly neglected. He was very proud of his sister at least according to people who actually knew them.
Everyone who actually knew the family said that Burke and his sister were very close and that he was frantic when his sister disappeared.
The Ramsey's have all the trappings of wealth, but there's an emptiness at the core of them family.
Totally 🎯
Right and if they were poor there would be no emptiness.
Maybe poor people have to acknowledge the emptiness, they can't cover it up with parties, pageants and goodies
It comes with money... If you let it.
Yes
What took so long to interview him? When my 18 mo old cousin died (I was only 3) I distinctly remember being frightened and confused for years. It still haunts me. The pain of my Aunt and my cousin's siblings, my mom - the entire family - was Palpable - even for a 3 year old child. I understand everyone experiences grief differently. But something is so Off about this entire crime. 😥💜
Parents protected him He was a minor
The police has to have permission of parents to interview
I remember my Aunt was killed in auto accident. I was very young but I was upset by it. I remember all the days around that except the few days I stayed at a nice home with relatives.
Something is off about this entire family!
Burke was given his own lawyer immediately. His parents got him a lawyer and repeatedly kept him from being involved or looked at.
@@teshayazzie3095 he was interviewed twice, not counting the short police interview at the Whites that afternoon. Also he testified before the grand jury.
If Burke killed JonBenet, the Ramsey’s trying to avoid stigma really backfired. I think he could have been helped a lot more quietly and effectively if the parents had reported the crime accurately. The end result is one tragedy on top of another.
My thoughts exactly. With Burke being age 9, surely the Ramsey's friends and the community would have seen it as a tragic accident and sympathised with the Ramsey's. The hype soon would have died down. But by further tormenting her and staging the scene, they must have known the media hype and ongoing attention it would have brought them, as her body being found in the basement would scream 'in house'. Very weird
Not sure how they would've been so sure she was actually dead in such case anyway. Seems like the most natural thing would be to call 911 in the hope she could be revived.
The parents would rather continue on in life having questionable involvement with their childs death than to be "known" as parents that have flawed children.
How could he know how to fashion a Garrote? Carry her down the stairs?
If he had been responsible, it would be have been kinder to get him the therapy he would have needed. I have always maintained that they knowingly left open the possibility of his guilt, thus protecting themselves and ruining his life. Evil parents.
The one thing that stood out to me about Burke’s interview is when he said he felt safe. It was like 13 days after his sister had been murdered in their home. That never set well with me.
He felt safe because he is a male, I think he knows something but not much has been asked of him, probably because of his condition but idk for sure.
Interesting!
Exactly- if somebody actually broke in he would be terrified
@@bethryan9077 Well, they also had great influence so, that doesn't change anything for me. The facts don't make sense, someone did it and they had to be in the house. So it's either family or someone else lives inside that house that no one knows about. I have heard many stories of people finding people they don't know living in places in their home they didn't know about. There was one guy that set up a camera because he kept missing food and he recorded a woman coming out of a crawl space and peeing in his kitchen sink, eating his food and watching his TV! He almost caught her one time. The police did a horrible job with this one. They should have found her in the basement, not dad and a friend. There's a huge piece missing here.
@@bethryan9077 I have never heard that b4! The last I heard, they said they got nothing off her jamies. Guess I should check that, thank you for that info.
The thing is that Burke looked so very happy at his sisters funeral. He couldn’t smile enough. His elation was evident.
@@laurenurban3942 The entire family was exonerated nearly 30 years ago.
@@nbenefiel That means nothing. The wealthy, rich, high up on the food chain never go to jail. They are bluebloods.
@@nbenefiel Based purely on dna found on underwear-plus the father had got friendly with the woman who allowed that.
@@susannah1066 The DNA on the panties, the waistband of the pjs, and the skin under her fingernails all came from the same unidentified man unrelated to JonBenet. Where did you get the idea a woman or John were somehow involved with this? For a quick review of the evidence supplied under oath, look at the transcripts of the Wolf v Ramsey hearing. They contain most of everything and take less time than reading the autopsy reports, the DNA and handwriting reports. I do think the crime scene photos are essential. Personally, I’ve read every bit of primary sources I can find.
@@nbenefiel I meant that the dna was part of the reason the family were exonerated. 2nd part-John got friendly with Mary Lacy-who eventually apologised to the family.
Isn’t Burk autistic - on the spectrum? If so, like my daughter, they can be incredibly self centered to the point of narcissism, not show emotion or genuinely have alexythemia. In that case I’d too be vigilant about the credentials of the attending psychologist to interview my 9yr old. both because of how it might affect him and what conclusions could be wrongfully derived by someone who can’t recognize patterns of autism. My 7yr old daughter woke up to a man breaking into her room through the window she’d opened before going to sleep, (against our rules) and late in the night calmly came and woke me to tell me. I didn’t let on how dangerous the situation was, I just calmly asked if she felt safe or was scared while I dialed 911. Then I banged on her door very loudly and entered the room which scared him back out the window and I watched as he ran through our backyard, and climbed over our fence - all this in a span of seconds that felt like an eternity. Police and helicopters soon surrounded my house and searched the neighborhood and 2 weeks later caught and charged him with several counts of battery and rape (entering homes the same way. ) My daughter’s window screen had a large knife slash from one corner to the other. During those first minutes right up to the day I got her window screen replaced, she was entirely carefree. I felt I’d done my job not to show my terror but it’s not uncommon for her to not show great happiness or sadness - especially big deep emotions, until a long period of time has passed; in this case it took 2 years and she became very frightened to be alone because of it. And this is in spite of her being high functioning with friends. I’m disabled yet She always enters the house first and closes the door in my face - even when I have grocery bags in both arms. Just clueless. But happy and smart. Typical of autistic children she never bonded with me, in spite of a year of nursing her and as many possible hours in a day spent reading books with her on my lap. She Can’t recognize other’s feelings or emotional needs and often doesn’t show her own - Unless she’s having a meltdown over something minor, like someone drinking from her glass. Pure emotional deregulation - but dangerous? Possibly in Burke’s case, I don’t know. So…I don’t know if Burke is innocent or not, but the smiling at the funeral and in interviews isn’t a sign of guilt with an autistic child. It’s just weird. And common. But did Burke ever undergo psychological testing for psychopathy or anything similar?
Just plain strange
@@rebekahcrossman4690 After the murder, Burke, by order of the court was examined by an abuse counselor and two child psychologists who all found him to be a normal, mentally healthy 9 year old boy. There was no diagnosis of autism or any other mental disorder. His teachers found him to be an exceptionally bright, quiet, but with a strong, close group of friends. His paediatrician agreed.
Burke's animated, giggling chat about the press and the 'you know what' sounds like he's revelling in the attention. He may even be enjoying seeing his mother being 'punished' by losing her daughter. Payback for all the years of attention he was denied.
This!
Idk but he was anxious on a lot of footage I watched back, but I have the worst social anxiety so I think I could've acted odd bc I naturally am. I get the white coat syndrome thing & I'm weird at my "normal"
I've every sympathy with people who suffer with anxiety. I know what that's like. I don't feel that from Burke, not condemning him but he's quite cocky. If he was sitting hunched over, wringing his hands or had them clasped between his knees maybe but he's draped over that chair like a cat who got the cream
My words last night on hearing his happy tone. Animated much!
Yes he even entertained with the miming of an imaginary microphone being passed back and forth like a press interview. Finally his time to shine 😩
I'll always believe burke did this and the parents covered it up.
I dont believe Burke did it, he is autistic or something. I believe something happened to him as well tho.
1000 % Agree..
I totally agree with you.
No, it was a case that the father was using the kids as sex toys, to make Deals. Cops knew about it. They did not respond right away. Burt was a victim too.
Absolutely. They did all this crap for nothing. Burke would not have gone to prison or been arrested. He would have been committed to a behavioral facility until he was 18. That’s it. They concoct this whole kidnapping story just to protect Burke when the courts would have protected him. It’s insane. Patsy IMO was crazy.
Burke said that he stayed in bed because "mom was going psycho".
At what time was that?
I've ALWAYS BELIEVED THAT IT WAS BURKE! And that the family covered it up so they didn't lose another child and it didn't EMBARRASS the family!
Even though State law protected him being under ten,the public opinion aspect would ruin him for life.
Lose another child? Colorado doesn’t prosecute 9 year olds. Their attorneys knew this.
@@nottellingyou14 The law is not only bad type of prosecution,is persecution that is just as bad to be.
@@nottellingyou14 He could very well have been removed from their care.
@@aldenunion The persecution comes from people like those posting on these sites. People who don’t know beans about the actual evidence in this case. Burke did not do this crime. It was a highly sexual assault and murder. For Christ’s sake, the killer left pubic hair on the blanket he covered the body with. That means he was walking around without pants while covering the body. The pubic hair did not match either John or Patsy and, of course, Burke didn’t have any.
The housekeeper also confirmed Burke had a history of feces smearing. A sign of abuse or psych issues in children. At the scene Police noted feces smeared on a box of Xmas candy in Jon Benets room. At his psych interview( it's online) he is disinterested ,shows no distress she is dead & says he's "moving on". He didn't draw his sister in the picture of his family. Kids with deceased siblings usually still draw the sibling, often, as an angel. The child psychologist concluded: "he had no emotional attachment to his sister".
Did any of the three have emotional attachment. To anyone or anything?
@Linda Pugh lied a lot. Pugh testified for hours before the Grand Jury and has been quoted extensively in the press and in the seminal book about the early days of the investigation Lawrence Schiller's "Perfect Murder, Perfect Town." Pugh also sued to obtain the right to include information she'd given the Grand Jury in her "book." She ended up with one chapter of a planned book she titled "The Death of an Innocent."
In this "book" she points out how well she knew Patsy's handwriting and expressions. She boasted that she'd received many handwritten notes from Patsy which is the way Patsy instructed her about what jobs she wanted Pugh to do when she came.
She also made an about face. She'd told Schiller Patsy never made a big deal about Jonbenet's bedwetting. In her chapter, however, she claims she "many times" saw Patsy take JB to the bathroom, then heard JB screaming behind the closed door.
Every person connected to the Ramsey household had been interviewed early on by the BPD, including Pugh, and they never heard that the Ramsey's had ever used corporal punishment. Jonbenet was a happy, extroverted bundle of energy, not a sullen, shy or frightened child. This would not have been the case if Pugh's contradictory tale were true. Pugh is even quoted in Schiller's book of calling Jonbenet "a spoiled brat."
*Why was the Ransom Note only for $118 thousand instead of a huge sum. Pugh and her "Crew" wanted to get John down in the basement to open the in ground safe in which they imagined that there would be much more substantial value. By demanding the Ramsey's not notify the police, they hoped he'd be tempted just to get the money out of the safe.
If the Ramsey's had written the note they would have asked for a more believable amount. Why? Because they would have known they'd never have to pay anyone but themselves. They would have used a much more reasonable figure.
*Why did the Ransom Note end up on the stairs? Pugh knew Patsy went down those stairs every morning to make coffee.
*Why was the Ransom Note COPIED on to Patsy pad? This would cleverly seem to implicate the Ramsey's.
* Did Pugh actually write the note herself? No, but a former stripper, convicted sex offender, rock climber and journalist did. Here's a sample of his writing compared to the Ransom Note.than Patsy's:
imgur.com/r/JonBenet/8Ha6H4C
"Forensic document examiner Lloyd Cunningham cannot eliminate plaintiff (Wolf) as the author of the Ransom Note. (SMF ¶ 279; PSMF ¶ 279.) Plaintiff's ex-girlfriend has also testified she believes that he is the note's author. (J. Brungardt Aff. ¶ 43.) Carnes Report You can see his handwriting was more like the Ransom Note's than Patsy's was."
@@vernonfrance2974 She did not lie a lot. The Grand Jury believed her. The GJ voted to indict the Ramseys' on felony charges.
@@rodneyjohnson7327
The very day JB was found dead the police went to Pugh's house and this is what they found:
3 Rolls Blk Tape
White Lined Note Pad that came from Ramsey house
3 Felt Tip Pens
2' narrow rope
A rope around a stick
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She did lie a lot. Here are just two of many.
BED WETTING LIE
When interviewed by Lawrence Schiller she told him Patsy did not make a bid deal of JB wetting the bed. Later in her book "The Death of an Innocent" she wrote: "You took her into the bathroom. It was the same destination you always took JonBenet when it was time to punish her for bedwetting. You forget that I saw you take here there so many times before, shutting the door tightly behind you, so her screams could not be heard. Except this time you picked up the long, black flashlight you had brought with you, and you swung it. You swung it first at her crotch and then next at her head." This tells us more about Pugh's imagination than fact. Why? Because:
SHE DIDN'T TELL THIS TO SCHILLER:
If she had ever witnessed this she had NO reason to hold back. She was no longer working for Patsy when she was interviewed by Schiller telling him that Patsy did not make a bid deal of the bed wetting.
NOR DID SHE TELL THIS TO THE POLICE:
"Authorities spoke to every maid, babysitter, au pair, gardener, everyone who had interacted with the Ramseys, to find out the relationship among family members. Turns out that the family was very tight. JonBenét missed her father terribly when he was away on business. Abusive relationships are not close relationships, as every mental health professional understands. www.dailymotion.com/video/x5x3wx4
FECES LIE
Linda Pugh has accused Burke of having smeared JB's Christmas candy. She said: "After they sealed off JonBenet's room, the crime scene technicians went through it, they apparently found faeces smeared on a box of candy she had got for Christmas." "www.thesun.co.uk/.../jonbenet-ramseys-disturbed.../
It must be asked how she can claim to have insider information about the crime scene technicians' work which the rest of the public is not privy to. Pugh was interviewed extensively by Lawrence Schiller and she even served as his housekeeper while he was writing "Perfect Murder, Perfect Town." Yet he made NO MENTION of any feces in his descriptions of Jonbenet's room. "All of JonBenet's sheets, pillowcases, and bedcovers were taken into custody by the police. Fingerprint powder was everywhere except on the painted hooks of a trompe l'oeil hat rack stenciled on the closet doors."1999 February 18 Lawrence Schillers book, "Perfect Murder, Perfect Town Page 82
Schiller also describes the Christmas morning and makes no mention of feces on JB's Christmas candy. "Christmas morning - the presents were opened after an early church service. Jonbenet rode her new bicycle in the warm weather - over 50 degrees and no snow on the ground at the back of the house." Pugh did not set foot into that house after the 23rd so she could not have personal knowledge about the alleged candy smearing. Who does she claim told her and why was she spreading undocumented rumors about Burke?
This brings us to OneSolved Mystery Webb Truths episode called "JohnBenet Case - Damaged Elevator Door & Possible UnFlushed Toilet." While Patsy was shown photos #243-245, the sworn deposition about the matter of the basement toilet was conducted by Det. Tom Haney and Prosecutor Trip DeMuth in which they questioned Patsy about it.
PR: "I specifically asked Linda sometime in the not so distant future to go down and and clean that bathroom because I think one of the boys had used it and not flushed it.
Tom Haney: Who used that bathroom?
PR: One of the boys. You know Burke and Evan were down there playing with the trains. They would go in there and use it. It was not flushed for several days. And Linda took care of it is the way I think it went.
Trip DeMuth: Do you know did Linda clean it up, do you know?"
Patsy never checked to make sure.
One of the most impactful LIES Linda Pugh spewed forth was about the alleged feces.
Since Pugh was never in that house after the 23rd since she called in sick for her scheduled work day on the 24th despite her claim that she'd be evicted if she didn't pay her sister back rent and Patsy agreed to loan her $2000 for that purpose. All she needed to do was pick it up. If it were true she would have high tailed it over to pick up the check but instead she wanted Patsy to leave the check and she'd use her key to pick it up while the Ramsey's were in Michigan and Florida where they'd take Burke and Jonbenet on a Disney Cruise on The Big Red Boat.
So, how could she privy to any information about what was in that house?. She was not there for Christmas to witness the presents be opened either.
This has the earmarks of being one of her set-ups to try to make the Ramsey's look bad.
FECES LIE
It is time to try to get to the bottom of a very enigmatic situation. Linda Pugh has accused Burke of having smeared JB's Christmas candy with excrement.
She said: "After they sealed off JonBenet's room, the crime scene technicians went through it, they apparently found faeces smeared on a box of candy she had got for Christmas." "www.thesun.co.uk/.../jonbenet-ramseys-disturbed.../
It must be asked how she can claim to have insider information about the crime scene and the technicians' work which the rest of the public is not privy to.
Pugh was interviewed extensively by Lawrence Schiller and she even served as his housekeeper while he was writing "Perfect Murder, Perfect Town." Yet he made NO MENTION of any feces in his descriptions of Jonbenet's room. "All of JonBenet's sheets, pillowcases, and bedcovers were taken into custody by the police. Fingerprint powder was everywhere except on the painted hooks of a trompe l'oeil hat rack stenciled on the closet doors."1999 February 18 Lawrence Schillers book, "Perfect Murder, Perfect Town Page 82
Schiller also describes the Christmas morning and makes no mention of feces on JB's Christmas candy. "Christmas morning - the presents were opened after an early church service. Jonbenet rode her new bicycle in the warm weather - over 50 degrees and no snow on the ground at the back of the house." Pugh did not set foot into that house after the 23rd so she could not have personal knowledge about the alleged candy smearing. Who does she claim told her and why was she spreading undocumented rumors about Burke? WERE DNA TESTS TAKEN OF THE FECES?
This brings us to OneSolved Mystery Webb Truths episode called "JohnBenet Case - Damaged Elevator Door & Possible UnFlushed Toilet." While Patsy was shown photos #243-245, the SWORN DEPOSITION about the matter of the basement toilet was conducted by Det. Tom Haney and Prosecutor Trip DeMuth in which they questioned Patsy about it.
PR: I specifically asked Linda sometime in the not so distant future to go down and and clean that bathroom because I think one of the boys had used it and not flushed it.
Tom Haney: Who used that bathroom?
PR: One of the boys. You know Burke and Evan were down there playing with the trains. They would go in there and use it. It was not flushed for several days. And Linda took care of it is the way I think it went.
Trip DeMuth: Do you know did Linda clean it up, do you know? Is she usually pretty confident (sic) if you give her something?
PR: Yeah. (However Mervyn was supposed to fix the basement window and that didn't happen.)
How could Pugh be confident there was feces smeared on the candy box? Did she instruct one of her co-conspirators to use feces from the basement's unflushed toilet to set Burke up the way she set John Andrew up by leaving his semen stained duvet in the Samsonite suitcase and having it placed under the basement window or the way she tried to claim only the Ramsey's knew where she had hid Burke's knife when originally she told the media ONLY SHE KNEW!
Pugh's rumors apparently impacted on 91 year old Dr. Werner Spitz' thinking. He said: "The brother is not exactly thinking straight, the behaviour is... of somebody who's got a problem. Why was he doing that?" Werner Uri Spitz[1] was born August 22, 1926 so he was 91 when he made this unsubstantiated claim.
Spitz allegation was addressed and denied in Burke's brief in his case against CBS. The suit was settled out of court and no specifics were released.
Yet this feces spreading campaign has certainly soiled Burke's reputation in the eyes of the public. In reality it gives validity to the name "Pugh."
The one thing I remember most distinctly about this case, was the recording of Patsy calling 911. She must have thought the phone was disconnected at this point and she says "WHAT DID YOU DO?!?!?" (Or "what have you done?!?", it was one of the two.)
yes I remember that as well -v damning
Yeah weird but I dont think that says anything. It could literally be about something someone was doing even if the course of events they are claiming was true. Like if they wre confused about who else to call etc and she calls 911 and then goes back to ask what did you do meaning about those other calls or something like that. I mean, the whole family knows one of them did it and they are all covering it up. But this isnt evidence or even convincing, sorry.
@@wrongturnVforit's evidence when the parents said Burke was asleep the whole time and never left his room. And then we can hear Patsy saying what did you do?
@@rodneyjohnson7327 How is that evidence, explain please?
Because Burke, or at minimum, a boys voice says, "What did you find?" They were caught in a lie. That's evidence.
What has NEVER Left my mind in the interview with Patsy, She said : "THAT CHILD". After losing our child, it gave me chills all over. For her to say "THAT CHILD"...
Yeah. Distancing.
@@kathryne5580 talk about nitpicking. Does anyone care about actual evidence?
Burke was putting his poo into Jonbenet's chocolate box. He smeared it in her room, on her things...that is a big red flag.
This is a strong psycopat trait, isn’t it?
seriously? 😳
Why didn't his parents get him the appropriate medical attention if he was acting out like that?
@@evettefernandez2749 cuz he was neglected
Can you share that link never hear about poo in chocolate box and have been really interesting in this case?
How could anyone do this to this precious beautiful little girl. What an incredible life this child could have had. What an incredibly sad world we live in
I am convinced Burke did this and the parents covered it up.
That doesn’t fit any of the evidence.
Me too
Doubtful. Burke, 10 yrs old, rather precocious to rape and kill his 6 yr old sister. Just didn't give me that kind of impression he could have done that at 10 by himself. A 10 yr old rapist? Wouldn't jonbenet have screamed and fought?
@@uppitywoman3647 Burke could not even have carried his sister down two flights of stairs let alone raped and strangled her to death.
@@Crystalblue58 I'm sure Burke did it. Probably with the large flashlight after an incident involving the pineapple. Everything else has been an attempt to cover it up.
Like the female cop said 10 came and went and no one cared about the ransom call a lot of WTF moments
@@sandradelisle944 Four people came, the Whites and the Fernies. Later Fr. Hoverstock, their priest came. That’s it. As for the ransom note. It said the call would be at 10:00 TOMORROW, which would be the 27th not the 26th. John spent much of the morning trying to arrange the transfer of the ransom money.
I spent a considerable amount of time looking into this situation. I lived in Boulder just after it happened. My father knew Lou Smit when we lived in Colorado Springs. This was in 1973-75. I won't go into detail but offer bullet points. I did a psycholinguistic analysis of the police interview of both John and Patsy Ramsey and there were some contradictions. I also did so with the ransom note. And although I can't tell you who's responsible for writing it, I can say with a good level of confidence that the writer was female. The behaviors displayed by both parents post offense were not what I would have expected. There was no intruder. This theory was first contributed by Lou. I can't recount all the details I knew specifically of the case as it's been too many years. But if anyone wants to reread the police statements from John Ramsey you will see that several items do not match up as to a logical chain of events. (The broken cellar window and the glass) Personally, I believe Burke was responsible for Jonbenet's death and it was staged to appear as something entirely different in order to protect him. Even the FBI's CASKU team felt that the death was staged so I know I'm not the only one who's taken this position.
Chris Iman If the writer is female then it had to be written by Patsy. What other female could have written the note? I agree that clearly there was no intruder. Lou Smit was a moron or paid by the Ramseys to suggest there was an intruder. The CBS documentary was the best and closest to the truth than any other documentary made about this case. I believe Burke being the killer is the most plausible explanation because it makes everything about this case make sense.
@@christiansoldier77 ..I agree with your summation. I'm just trying to remain as neutral as I can. I liked Lou, don't get me wrong. He was very adept in his field. But I disagreed with his evaluation of this particular case. I also disagreed with John Douglas. He's one of the best if not the best criminal profiler I've ever seen. He was my mentor. I still hold him in the highest regard.
@@bethryan9077 .. Your winded diatribe means nothing to me. I can provide a rebuttal to most of what you claim as exculpatory evidence for the Ramsey family. And I don't go by what's written in books. I go by expert testimony such as from Henry Lee etcetera. You wrote all that to impress who?? Certainly not me!
@@bethryan9077 Stop the nonsense. If there were any intruders then why does the police and the grand jury both think the Ramseys were involved? You are clueless
@@bethryan9077. Hi there Beth. I’m a 71yo Australian grandma and have just read all you have to say about the JB Case and definitely agree that the public DO NOT get the who story and neither do the Courts which infuriates me ! You expressed yourself quite well, but with respect, how do you know the real explanation of the case if I may ask ? Don’t get me wrong because as I said, I thoroughly agree with you about how messed up the story gets and the devastation this causes to the lives of those involved.
Peace and blessings ❤
"Why did the police let the Ramseys do whatever they wanted in their interviews?"
I read this type of comment over and over in true crime video comment sections all the time. It's really frustrating to me that every American doesnt know the answer. Your legal rights should be taught Freshman year in every high school in the country.
Pay attention to what I'm about to say it may save your very life some day. ALL police questioning is ALWAYS on the person they are questioning's terms. EXCEPT many, many people aren't aware of their rights under the law, and how vitally important to their very life it is that they exercise those rights to the full extent, so they think they have to do the interview on the police's terms.
Police hate, and I mean HATE, to hear you request an attorney before you speak with them because they know they aren't going to be able to manipulate your words into evidence against you any further. They will sometimes make you say it more than once that you want an attorney, pretend they cant find an attorney, etc. Don't buy it. You are entitled to an attorney and it doesnt matter if you haven't a dime to your name. You MUST have an attorney on their dime, in that case.
They dont want you to have an attorney because they know if you exercise that right their job to get you to say something incriminating goes from 0 to 100 in difficulty because make no mistake, that is the sole reason for police to ask you to come down to the station for an interview. You're a "person of interest" that can go to the main suspect real fast if you say anything they can manipulate into fitting their version of events. They dont "just want to rule you out" they want to rule you in! Besides if it's your child that was murdered or kidnapped don't let them waste time investigating you when you're innocent! Refuse the interview or bring a lawyer and reply no comment or I dont rememeber. Everyone thinks they're SO smart, and if they're innocent they couldnt possibly say the wrong thing to a group of ppl who have been trained for years upon years to get a person to slip up and say one wrong thing. That is their JOB! I bet you're all thinking that right now, and you are dead wrong. You are not going to get through an interview without saying something that can, if they choose to, be manipulated into pointing to your nonexistent guilt, and juries are very gullible. I've heard a woman tell me once that if you don't vote guilty you failed your jury duty!
The person being questioned doesn't have to answer a single question they are asked if that's what they want, and they definitely better "want". They can also get up and leave the interview anytime.
They can sit there and say "no comment" 100 times and then go back home like Madeleine McCann's very intelligent mother did in her interview with the police if they want. She went home and all the police did was waste their time and were no better off than when they began her interview regarding arresting her for a crime she may or may not have committed.
The police let them do it on their terms or they wont get an interview on any terms at all from a person who knows their rights. The Ramseys had the money for lawyers to let them know exactly what rights they had and they used them all perfectly and I dont blame them. Far from it. I admire them. I love to see people exercise their rights, guilty or not.
The DA usually has a 95% or higher conviction rate because people constantly go into these interviews unaware that they have these rights like most of you were until now. Also, always refuse to give permission to let the police search your house or car, and do not give DNA without a warrant. I've heard of some ppls DNA ending up in places it shouldn't be when the right person is paid to say it was there. In a perfect world all LEOs are ethical, but this is far, FAR from a perfect world.
You wouldn't even be asked for an interview if the police already had enough evidence to convict. They ask for an interview solely to get the person to say something to incriminate themselves or another.
Do not go to an interview without an attorney and do not answer any questions...especially if you're innocent. I hate seeing innocent people get life in prison because they dont know when and how to exercise their legal rights. It's heartbreaking.
Many, too many, police don't want to put the guilty party behind bars they just want to get ANY party they don't like maybe because he's poor or she's black or he's gay etc. convicted guilty and behind bars. Especially* if it's a high profile case like this that the police are under a LOT of pressure to solve.
Look what happened to the West Memphis 3! Minors going to interviews with the local keystone cops without an attorney or even a parent present being interrogated for 12 straight hours not knowing they could've left whenever they wanted and NOT exercising their very, VERY important right to shut their blab hole! It almost got them in prison for life, and Damien murdered! Wasted 20 years. The WMPD still* won't admit their investigation was flawed and it took the whole world coming together to work 20 years to get them out of prison. So if you screw up in those interviews and don't request an attorney before you start talking there's a very* slim chance you will be ever getting out of prison if you're convicted and innocent.
If they ask you what color shirt you are wearing plead the fifth. If they ask you what you ate for breakfast plead the fifth. It doesnt matter if you feel* like that makes you look* guilty. Feelings don't matter in court. However, what you said in the interview does and even a decent DA can spin your words to make you sound like the BTK killer. In a court of law it doesn't make you look any way but insulted theyd presume you could possibly be guilty, legally aware of your rights, and intelligent enough to know when to use them.
There is nothing a defense attorney hates to hear more from a client is that they already spoke to the police without said attorney there, and they blabbed all kinds of things.
I strongly suggest anyone who loves true crime and the American justice system watch The Confession Tapes on Netflix. 10/10. You will get a brutal education on how police interviews work and the lengths they will go to to convict anyone they can.
They tend to zero in on a person of interest and instead of letting the facts lead them to a suspect they mold the facts around this person they've zeroed in on. You see it time and time again in their investigations.
I am not an attorney and cannot give legal advice. I am merely speaking from the knowledge I gained in college majoring in Pre-Law and then working for a criminal defense law firm as a paralegal from 2006 to 2018.
Money rich ppl entitled
If im guilty or innocent im shutn my mouth n asking for an attorney. The cops want an arrest. They dont care who it is guilty or innocent. Dont let them ruin u by setn u up!!! I dont give a fuk how it looks either.
I agree. A very sweet friend of mine many years ago killed her abusive husband very clearly in self defense. She was completely innocent and spoke to the police without an attorney and was charged with 1st degree murder. She should never have done that and no one should! Very good point, TY for that.
@@paulaprettypaula4213 everyone is entitled to an attorney it doesnt matter if you have no money or ALl the money-you are entitled to a lawyer. Some things in life are privileges, and some things we are entitled to, and we are entitled to attorneys.
So true. In university my friend insisted I get a lawyer for a police interview on something I was totally innocent of. All the lawyer let me say was on the advice of a lawyer I will not answer that question. I thought this is making me look guilty but that was the end of that.
John travelled extensively & Patsy was engrossed in promoting her daughter for vicarious satisfaction. No one was there for Burke.
I don’t think it was mentally a healthy household. I did not approve of the way they were dressing, or making up the little girl. It was too grownup for a child her age. I believe Burke resented the attention that his sister was getting. I do believe it’s possible he got into an argument with her and hit her in the head. I found it interesting that his sister was taken downstairs without any kind of noise. Most children would have been screaming. But if her brother took her down I would not expect her to be screaming.
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@@katherinechatham9032 She might’ve been unconscious. That might be why she didn’t make a noise.
Not true,,, Burke was a crazy brat…. He would crap in Jonbenoit s bed, bathtub, smear crap on her clothing and wall,,,, a nut and dangerous.. he killed her I am sure of it
@@beverlybalius9303 Some neglected kids will settle for negative attention or punishment just to get any attention at all.
Stayed in bed because he was told and he was frightened by the craziness going around him.
robert123
Exactly that
He didn’t stay in bed. The police arrived shortly after 6 am, by 7 he was at the White’s house.
They say there are hardly any crimes in Colorado. Omg I have watched thousands of vids and Colorado always is mentioned.
Anyway. The family 100% did this, I have NO doubts
No doubt for me either. Burke did it and his parents staged the crime scene.
@@Janellabelle take a good look à Jonbenet drawings
@@mariecohen3052 why what did u see
Dylan redwine was Colorado too. His father killed him
I'm 69 and so clearly remember this happening. Never believed it was an outside person. I figured if it was Burke he couldn't hold the secret.
Burke sneakily got out of bed that night and went downstairs...Nobody has asked Burke how long he was downstairs!! the timeline puts Burke and the Intruder around at the same time...yet the intruder got past Burke up to JonBenet's bedroom and back down to the basement and Burke saw nothing????????????
Exactly! Burke did this!
@@channie4672Or he knows who did it and is too scared to say.
Good point ☝️
I can remember when this murder happened, thinking Burke had something to do with it and the parents covered it up
You and 90% of the population and what does that say?, it says that the majority of people will believe stuff based on their thoughts and nothing else.
Parents told Doug Stien who was sleeping over, to take Burke’s new bike home. Patsy staged it as intruder so Burke and Doug would be safe. Think about it.
@@gogogeedus Right you are. It seems they've never learned about court proceedings and the rules of evidence.
@@SimpleLifeAlways81 I thought about it and now I ask, where is your source for this information? Doug's DNA was taken and it didn't match. An adult hair was found on the white blanket. Doug and Burke were pre-pubescent so that hair did not come from either of them.
Doug would have had to ride home very late at night and there has never been any evidence of that.
I believe Doug Stein was involved . I've always felt that. He was BURKES best friend.The Ramseys threw all THERE other friends under the bus .THE RAMSEYS LIVED WITH THE STINES AFTER THE MURDER HMM
I watched their interview from 3 years later, they say over and over "Of course we would turn eachother in spouse love is conditional, loving a child is unconditional." They covered for Burke but John had the help of Fleet to make it look like a kidnapper. If YOUR child goes missing when you call 911 you say "My child is missing!" You dont say kidnapped, even if there is a note. As far as the "note" goes.. it was written in a panic, knowing they had limited time. I dont think the plan was to have to find Jon Benet in the basement, they probably thought the cops would be elsewhere looking, but they didnt leave. John got nervous, then went to get her. Theres no way on Gods green earth a kidnapper would write a 3 page note on their tablet, use all the utensils to kill her and wrap her up, plus give a meezly amount for the ransom. They would type a note, ask for millions and gtfo of there with her alive or strangled. Is my guess.
I totally agree that the note is the most damning piece of evidence against the Ramseys. But you can't say what you would say on a 911 call in a panicked state of mind. Have you ever had to make one?
There is no way a kidnapper writes a 3 page ransom note. If they want money they will write 2-3 lines - we have her, This much and this place to get her back. Dont tell anyone or she is dead. If this is a crazy person who kidnapped her for other reasons, they wont leave note.
But I do think that the body was staged to be found like this. They got frustrated that the police werent looking in the basement and o John led them to her.
I'm sure that woman grabbed his soda on purpose to see if there is a response
I think both of the children in that house was abused in several types of abuse even pasty wad jealous of jonbenet poor Burke was jealous of his sister he was certainly ignored nobody had any time for him I always thought pasty had done that to jonbenet maybe overreaching to her wetting the bed or maybe she caught her playing with her paining items but their was so much going on on that house I'm still concerned about Burke now as an adult I think he's always been pushed to the side so I think both patents know exactly what happened that night I wish John would finally tell the truth ??????
Right I could not agree more
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We all have to wait for justice to be served..
Thank you for saying this!! Everyone seems to think Burke did this all the time and never seem to look at the Ramsey family... Especially the father
@@ariloves10 Will it ever be
I wonder? I was following this case since day one. My father and l would watch this case together on TV.
Every time it aired we would watch it and weeks, months would go by no one convicted. Then went into years.
It's 2021 and still NO arrest. This case had my head always spinning!
Soooooooo sad it's never been solved. It just break's my heart.
I think it's true when people say that a perfect house from the outside is usually total opposite to the inside!
Yeah like the Chris Watts case .
Who said they were perfect?
I can personally attest to that.
@@stephanielake71 she said the house
looking perfect
I found their house was a mess......
I think her brother did it and her parents covered it up. I just really feel this way. And I love hearing your videos and analyzing things!
I agree!
We all know feelings are proof.
I think her next door neighbor did it and their family covered it up. I just really feel this way. And I love hearing your videos and analyzing things!
The only thing thats evident is that we both have a feeling!
I honestly for a very long time thought it was Patsy and when she died I even got upset she was never brought to justice. But of course in @True crime Rocket Science fashion, he has changed my mind and I now believe that it was the brother. Before I just couldn't wrap my head around a 9 year old committing murder.
@gogogeedus People can have an opinion and they can voice their feelings! No one implied that their “FEELINGS” is the GOSPAL truth or EVIDENCE that it was what ACTUALLY HAPPENED! What a STUPID thing to say!
Look we all know there is no evidence of an intruder. This was a family incident. And a coverup.
Only if we ignore the multitude of evidence and the opinions of all the professionals who were eventually permitted to investigate.
If so who's DNA was in her panties on the leggings and under her fingernails bcuz the Ramsay's DNA did not match ...
When Bert was being questioned by that Detective and he told that detective I know what happened to JonBenet why hasn't any of that came out what did he say when he said he knew what happened to her so what did he say happened to her
Until I take my last breath I will believe that John and Patsy killed that little girl
Until I take my last breath I will believe that John and Patsy killed that little girl
Maybe shouldn't say this but I get the impression Patsy almost behaves as if in her mind John is JFK and she's Jackie Kennedy in terms of status. It's like, how dare they question us, don't they know who we are?
She was just a rich woman who gained attention via her daughter, period.
Yes, 🎯Back at you ziggy, like she's playing a role. Jackie O, Scarlett O (Hara) one of these ones, she can get her teeth into.
@Finola O murchu Thanks Finola ☺️ I reckon she had 'First Lady' delusions, the power dressing and JO sunglasses. Sorry but . .
Yeah, according to Miss Patsy, the Ramsey’s “Colorado Camelot” is vastly superior to the Kennedy version 😏🤣😁
Exactly! Did you see the video when Patsy was being interviewed and the interviewer asked her if she was a stage mom. She responded in a snippy way, “probably, what’s wrong with that?” That struck me as odd, since some theories are that she was targeted, by a pedo because of the pageants. It was an inside job...no doubt in my mind.
Yes, Patsy wasn't exactly keeping up with the pageant perv theory was she?
Burke lowkey acts like he’s on the spectrum. Even now if you look at his most recent interview, he is very socially awkward and does not have normal queues. It does not seem his disposition is due to his lack of interaction with society growing up.
I can't believe the ASD hasn't been brought out more. I think there are some traits in the dad also.
Agree. His baseline of a sickly grin is very disconcerting. The grin only disappears when his psych interview is shown & discussed. The conclusion reached after the interview was that he had no emotional attachment to his sister. It shows him looking disinterested & saying he's "moving on with life". He only reacts at all when shown the pineapple on the kitchen counter. Then he practically squirms & won't say what's in the bowl. Hmmm.
@@sarahholland2600 very strange child, heart breaking!
@@sarahholland2600 Pageant smile. Learned it early
I agree about being on the spectrum. He is quite intelligent, but socially awkward. Not a murderer.
Burke killed her 100%.
He reminds me of my brother, a manipulative little creep!
I was physically & sexually abused by my 8 year old brother since I was 5, it continued for 5 years, so I know for a fact it's possible for a child to be that sadistic & violent towards a younger sibling...He used to strangle me, kick, hit, pinch, sexually assault me, tie me up & insert objects in me, hold knives to my throat etc...All of this was done behind closed doors & my parents knew nothing about it, they only saw the normal sibling fighting & he behaved reasonably normal in public, acting like butter wouldn't melt....I didn't tell anyone until I was 23 & it broke my family apart because my mum refuses to believe it & at the age of 33, he still lives with her, protecting him. 🤢
Burke did it & the parents or just Patsy covered it up. They had the means & almost 5 hours to pull it off.
Nothing adds up, they knew the sexual assault would be discovered & they didn't want the shame of their friends & the world finding out what a creepy little weirdo their precious Burke was.
Love you Laka. God will deal with your family. Live your life and chase ambitions!❤
@lakabeice Your theory does not fit with the fact that the autopsy showed JB had not been sexually molested prior to the intruders who killed her doing so.
*Dr. Richard Krugman, Dean of Colorado University Sciences Health Center, and nationally respected director of the Kempe Center For The Prevention And Treatment Of Child Abuse And Neglect, said there was NO EVIDENCE OF PRIOR SEXUAL ABUSE of JonBenét Ramsey. Both Meyer and Krugman agreed that there had been penetration but no rape.
*Dr. Thomas Henry: Denver Medical Examiner. "From what is noted in the autopsy report, there is no evidence of injury to the anus, there is no evidence of injury to the skin around the vagina, the labia. There is NO INDICATION OF HEALED SCARS.
*Dr. Michael Doberson, the highly respected forensic pathologist and medical examiner for Arapahoe County, Colorado, was at the autopsy. He found NO EVIDENCE OF PRIOR SEXUAL ABUSE.
*Dr. Leon Kelly, forensic pathologist in Colorado Springs, and expert on abused children, found NO EVIDENCE OF PRIOR SEXUAL ABUSE, and explained that the inflammation was easily explained by any number of factors regularly present in children that age.
*The Federal Court in Atlanta ruled, "NO EVIDENCE SUGGESTS THERE WAS PRIOR SEXUAL ABUSE." Wolf v Ramsey
I am so sorry for the aberrations you have endured and appreciate your courageous and compassionate voice.
Oh my God that so terrible. I hope you are ok now 😢
I was 8 years old when my older sister's and brother's father died. They have different father, and at the funeral when we were standing at his grave, my family was singing and my sister cried so much, i just started spontaneously dancing funny way, swinging side to side, and my sister, 18 years old, got so mad at me, she ran away crying, and i remember feeling so bad, but i was just a child i didn't know how to deal with that kind of sad situation. Please guys, remember, we are talking about a child here.
Much love and blessings from Finland 💖🙏
Burke was very jealous of jonbenet
According to people who actually knew him, he wasn’t. They were very close. You, of course, would know better.
Even if he was, that doesn't mean he did anything to her
I don't think Burke meant to kill her. I think when she snuck up and snatched some of his pineapple he reacted by grabbing the flashlight and hit her over the head not knowing the consequences. I do think he suffers from mental issues though, lacking empathy for one.
@@barbaraparker6996 There was no pineapple found in JonBenet’s digestive tract. Also, the head injury occurred after the rape, probably during the garroting, according to the pathologists.
@@barbaraparker6996 According to the child abuse counselors and child psychologists who examined him after the murder by order of the court, Burke was a normal, mentally healthy, prepubescent boy. They should know.
My son is on the spectrum and I noticed some similarities. Does anyone know for sure if Burke is on the spectrum? That could explain the lack of emotion. This is just my opinion.
Excellent point. I have 2 kids on the spectrum. Evaluating their emotions/responses as if they were typical kids would be absurdly stupid and unprofessional.
The medical community didn’t really have much understanding of autism back then.
Yes! I am no expert. But I agree with you. There is a whole story there just with Burke. He is how he is wired, but he also had a family full of unusual dynamics that protected him and carefully controlled the narrative. This family was all about appearances and to hell with the truth. Just because Burke may be on the spectrum does not make him guilty. But the red flags cannot be unseen--there is a lot he knows that he hasn't told.
Why did the police not ask to question Burke anyway as he was in the house at the time of the murder I think the Ramsey knew that Burke was hurting Jobenet on many occasions . R.i.P Jonbenet ❤❤❤
I think Burke has Asperghers...
I think hes a psychopath.
@luna Moon I think he has too even his interview with Dr Phil I thought it .I'm no Doctor I guess we will never know.
He appears to be quite disturbed
I agree. He may have/have had other problems as well, but the inappropriateness and flatness are pretty typical of an autistic spectrum disorder. One of my sons has this condition and at that age he was very unemotional as well.
He learned to disrespect and abuse JonBenet from someone. He took it to the next level on his own.
This is just my OPINION: Burke was eating pineapple, JB ate a lil frm his bowl, he flipped out (since he hates to share), wanted to hurt her but killed her instead, he got sent to his room for punishment & also for Mr & Mrs R to figure out what to do
Good theory. My kids fight really hardcore over stupid things. I think this makes the most sense.
Why would they need to strangle her?
JB.ran from him he caught JB. And he did what he did to her .he was way bigger than JB. He got her down ....all hell broke .
She wet the bed,had urine on her fingers and if you look at bowl,are droplets from pin fishing a piece up the wall of the bowl.
They should of checked the milk for urine trace.
Maybe Burke was in bathroom,came out to see her with urine pants fishing pineapple out of his bowl..
Hit her with something and they cleaned it up so could not tell where it occurred.
Called all their friends for feeling of security in numbers with the police because all those people would make police feel as if they were dealing with entire community and not single guilty ones...
Family 100% played the police easily..
@@lilycreek7101 My thoughts also. If Burke hit JB, surely the community would see it as a tragic accident, and sympathise with the Ramsey's. Due to his age, he also wouldnt be prosecuted. Why go to the lengths of degrading and torturing their own daughter further to stage a ridiculous kidnapping which screams 'inhouse'
I can't believe it taking years and years and still it is unsolved
I'm pretty confindent there's a lack of attachment not just regarding John but also Patsy. He literally watched his mother on the verge of death. I'm sure it traumatized him. And when she recovered all her attention went to Jonbenet. It might be hard to grasp but I think he just didn't like Jonbenet and was happy when she was out of the picture.To me that makes sense even if he's got nothing to do with her death and I think that's also what showed in the more recent Dr.Phil interview.
none of that applies. she was killed by a nut case intruder. therefore all the other theories to try to apply the killer to known people-------------are moot.
Her head was smashed, an adult wouldn't need to do that, I think the brother did it. The Parents paid for the cover-up.
i believe both those children were being sexually abused
@@debbiebelden4359 With Ovarian Cancer,a host of terrible symptom's come with..
Pain,soars, drainage,gas) would make any woman gladly avoid marital relations.
Given that fact,This little girl was a baby and not even developed.
I do not think a adult could even make that work,but maybe a another child.
Children do not know of garrote though,so public library rental,school pc hard drives,other media could have gave info and left a trail if a youth but adult would sure know to cover..
It was probably just a macrame knot
Which was another thing I did as a child quite neatly.
Why does Burke at the funeral look like he’s absolutely LOVING this?! So many different pics of him at the funeral where he is smiling and almost laughing in some of them? What the hell?!
Because the limelight switched to him for a change
Reta Taylor because he was happy that she was gone all the attention was always for her
That might be and he was a little boy, inside his world, not so connected with what is going around or might be that he was the only one to have parents attention!
@@terminator2660 I think he was told just like a lot of people do before a funeral, told something like we are going to say our final goodbyes to your sister. I feel that's the reason for his being happy or excited because it was over after the funeral and he wouldn't have to worry about seeing her anymore or hearing about her.
I think Burke killed her, and the parents covered it up. He should be put in prison to rot.
Good god , the boy was nine !! Prison to rot !! Just WOW
@@angeladlane and just because THEY THINK SO!
No he didn't do it! Ramsey was no christian but high ranking freemason! It got to do with satanic ritual abused gone wrong normal for occulties family to sexualy abused their family member. It got to do with pedophilia and hillary clinton blackmailed and extortion. Christin Marcy got the video during the ritual abused
Freeman, they don't put a boy in prison. It is not easy. If he did it at 9....he did not know he was committing a crime. Hitting his sister was not a crime for him. I think Burke is innocent.
Good thing you’re not a jurist!
Both the suitcase near the window, and the ransom note were merely decoys. That means no outside intruder and no kidnapper. The killer was inside the house.
How do you account for the DNA, the various prints at the murder site and the very complex garrote?
@@nbenefiel DNA is touch DNA coming from multiple sources; it could have come from the garment manufacturer or even someone having touched the blanket or Rockies shirt thrown on top of her. Various prints don't match up to anyone. They could have been there from the prior owner. The garrote was a twisting rope. We can't find the rope, but we know who owned the broken paint brush used to twist it. Two things are missing: the rope and duct tape. How can we believe the intruder brought his own rope and duct tape, but had to use a pen, writing pad, and paint brush from the house. It's more likely the rope and tape were disposed of because they could be traced back to the owner from the inside of the tape roll (showing manufacturer) and the full length of the cord indicating where purchased.
The suitcase had a blanket in it that had Johns oldest sons semen on it. John Andrew.
My kids cannot talk about their father's violent death many years later and now that they are very mature adults. They loved him so much. It traumatizes them all over again. Some things we don't dare think about.
I believe in my opinion all signs point to the family doing a cover up from lying about the pineapple and I believe that was found in her stomach and the Three-page ransom note that Experts said looked like Patsy handwriting and the paper came from the fathers study from his desk along with the practice ransom note found in the house. The Parents were obviously were in a panic to cover up for who? I watched a story online where Patsy best friend said Patsy was at her wits end because Burke was always hitting and hurting the little sister and she couldn’t control him. Hence he hit her in the cheek with a golf club also smearing poop on her bed and candy I believe and they said he was very jealous and got extremely upset if someone touch his food. I believe he has some issues and he was very jealous of his sister and killed her maybe he didn’t realize what he was doing and it was an accident and the Parents covered it up to save Burke from being taken away and losing there son and only remaining child in the household.. I also believe the mother cared about how things looked to there friends in there community. All signs in my opinion point to the mother and father being in a panic and I don’t believe Patsy or John killed there beloved daughter on Christmas day and nothing can make me believe otherwise.
Jon Benet went to the hospital often wih injuries that looked like they came from Burke. I mena it should have been a cue for Patsy to stop the pageants. JonBenet was also suffering extreme stress as a result. But she couldnt get over her own vanity and living vicariously through her daughter, could she? And the father only cares about his rpeutation and prestige and what not. They never cared about either of the Children.
The golf club incident was when he was six and she stood too close behind him as little children often do. Patsy immediately took her to the hospital.
Linda Pugh who was one of the Crew that instigated the kidnapping spread the lie about the "poop." Where has this ever been documented by an outside source?
Where did you hear this "story line" that "he was always hitting her?"
She didn't get killed on Christmas Day. It was after midnight that the attacks and torture began and the final blow to her head occurred around 6:00 am.
May I ask what you base your opinion on?
@@michelek868 there was no pineapple found in JonBenet’s digestive system. Her stomach and upper intestine were empty. Her lower intestine constrained a whitish mass which had been consumed well before death, most likely at the party.
@@wrongturnVfor JonBenet did not repeatedly go to the hospital for injuries caused by Burke. That is simply not true. Their paediatrician, Francesco Beuf, made a statement in which he said that both Burke and JonBenet were normal, healthy kids.
No one ever talks about how shakey the note is writin.writin from a scared mother perhaps while grieving, and nervous, and scared..hmmm
A little boy in the fear of danger would run to his sister to protect her! How did he not hear her screams if she suffered she screamed!!
Basement is sunk under ground,Police tested and cannot hear anything from other floors yet neighbors can hear a bit from basement.
Her mouth was covered with duct tape. She couldn’t scream.
Look at the case of Michael Crowe that little boy went through hell the police put him through hell because his sister died in the room next to him okay he was interrogated in and investigated and locked up and so was his parents and other sibling the whole family will subjected to the interrogation why because they were average people
Sad. But true
Yep. The Ramsey’s rich white privilege was very helpful for them.
@@aggie8115 Where are you going with your 'white' privilege? Was OJ Simpson a black privilege then? They are people with money that got off. Money gives people privilege.
@@aggie8115 What appears to some people to be "white privilege" is often just a successful person who has the resources and support system to navigate the world of legality, and the world in general There are people who, instead of thinking clearly about others who seem to have more, or move more easily through the world, simply label them with a non existent condition, white privilege Those who label WP, appear to think they were cheated somehow by whites appearing to always have a benefit not available to others of different races. Those who use this term will always be stuck in a childish way of viewing the world, that it is unfair and it is the fault of white people. For the have nots this is the easiest way to resolve in themselves why their are disparities in the world. For these people it is easy to just blame a race for the fact that they are just more efficient in the world. They have more opportunities because someone worked hard to provide things and opportunities for them. Those who label whites think there should be some sort of over all system of justice that doles out benefits equally to every one in life, that system does not exist. Many self made men and women, black and white, started with nothing and still managed to make good and successful lives for themselves. The Ramsey's were college educated and had an affluent life style. They were not given their education, their jobs, house or income because they are white, they earned those things, and provided them for their children. If they have cheated the system and are guilty and hiding something, it is not because of WP, it is because they are unethical people. Race relations will be at an impasse forever because of people who cannot get past the childish and abusive use of this label. Kind regards.
@@aggie8115 more like gypsy privilege
Just Wow!! You have such a great mind. Working my way through each video.
Wonderful work!
The Ramseys had many powerful friends, they would never have called the police and have them show at the house when the note said not to. They would have called their lawyer and with him the FBI.
They didn't even notice when 10:00 came and went and no phone call.
Huh? So why did they call 911 then?
He killed her and the parents (mom) covered it up.
She was killed with a garotte and had unknown dna in her panties. Her nine year old brother didn't kill her.
@@cmwillisful that's been my opinion also. If different parts of her clothing had the same male DNA then I've always thought to rule the family out. Man we never have crimes that are this baffling in the UK
Wow did you come up with that theory?
@@cmwillisful there is a story that John had another Son that was born OS, do you know that story?
@@cmwillisful the head wound would likely have killed her if the strangulation had not happened at all. DNA testing technology was at the time still in toddlerhood at best, but really it’s infancy, where inconclusive results were the norm.
I read something saying jonbenet had told friends that santa claus was going to pay her a special visit after Christmas. She also said that people in robes did things ( sexual) to her. She was allegedly treated often for urinary tract infections.
I really don’t pay to much attention to the special visit from Santa. They were going to Michigan to celebrate a second Christmas with John’s older kinds. Maybe someone said Santa would come again while they were in Michigan...it would be special, because he would be coming a day later. That can be explained away. I haven’t heard about the people in robes.
Gavin4419 1, Do you know of a link about people in robes? I've never heard that before.
Santa gives me the creeps
I believe it. Some of the photos of her seem to have sad eyes despite the fake huge smile.
JonBenet referring to people in robes doing sexual things to her is extremely disturbing as are the urinary tract infections. I recall watching a TH-cam clip where someone high up in political system on his deathbed said she was sexually abused yet this time it went too far.
This is a crazy world and I believe there's a lot of darkness in Colorado and ritualistic type activities which include children.
There was no kidnapping why write a ransom note? Inside the home? If someone was going to kidnap a child wouldn't you bring the note already written or made a call telling them you have the child? That alone is proof of a cover up!
Is no one going to mention how pedophiles mostly take kids and do things to them away from their home? I can't recall a case of a murdered child being killed and left inside the home by a pedophile or rapist.
Exactly, why leave any evidence at a crime scene? Makes no sense.
@@Doris-lw5te There are Indications that Jonbenet was murdered by intruders who had INSIDE knowledge of the Ramsey's house and family.Their Motivations included greed, hatred, sadism and pedophilia.
I. CORD USED ON JONBENET
STEVE THOMAS DEPOSITION: Q: LIN WOOD A: STEVE THOMAS
Q: "Did you ever find any cord in the 16 house from which the garrote or the rope that 17 tied her hands together was from? Did you 18 ever find that?
19 A. No. As far as I know, the cord 20 used on the victim was never sourced to 21 anything in the house.
2. ITEMS LISTED IN WOLF V RAMSEY
*Numerous items were found that cannot be sourced to the Ramsey's "The black duct tape used on JonBenet's mouth has also not been sourced to defendants. (SMF ¶ 170; PSMF ¶ 170.) Both ends of the duct tape found on her were torn, indicating that it came from a roll of tape that had been used before. (SMF ¶ 171; PSMF ¶ 171.) No similar duct tape was found in the house, nor is there evidence that defendants ever used or owned such duct tape. (SMF ¶ 172; PSMF ¶ 172.) Plaintiff also notes that the strip of duct tape found on JonBenet's mouth *1332 had a bloody mucous on it and a "perfect set of child's lip prints, which did not indicate a tongue impression or resistance." (PSDMF ¶ 53.) Animal hair, alleged to be from a beaver, was found on the duct tape. (SMF ¶ 183; PSMF ¶ 183.) Nothing in defendants' home matches the hair. (SMF ¶ 183; PSMF ¶ 183.) Dark animal hairs were found on JonBenet's hands that also have not been matched to anything in defendants' home. (SMF ¶ 184; PSMF ¶ 184.) Several recently-made unidentified shoeprints were found in the basement, imprinted in mold growing on the basement floor. (SMF ¶ 151; PSMF ¶ 151.) In particular, a shoeprint of a "HI-TEC" brand mark on the sole of a shoe was found. (SMF ¶ 152; PSMF ¶ 152.) Defendants do not own any "HI-TEC" brand shoes, and none of the shoes found in their home match the shoeprint marks. (SMF ¶ 153; PSMF ¶ 153.) Another partial shoeprint was found near where JonBenet's body was found. (SMF ¶ 155; PSMF ¶ 155.) This shoeprint left only a partial logo. The owner of the "HI-TEC" shoe that made the shoeprints at the murder scene has never been identified. (SMF ¶ 154, 155; PSMF ¶ 154, 155.) In addition, on the wine-cellar door, there is a palmprint that does not match either of defendants' palmprints. (SMF ¶ 156; PSMF ¶ 156.) The individual to whom it belongs had not yet been identified. (SMF ¶156; PSMF ¶ 156.)" Wolf v. Ramsey, 253 F. Supp. 2d 1323 (N.D. Ga. 2003)
Finally, items were left behind that defendants assert they did not own. (Defs.' Br. In Supp. Of Summ. J. [67] at 18-19.) A baseball bat not owned by the Ramseys found on the north side of the house has fibers consistent with fibers found in the carpet in the basement where JonBenet's body was found. (SMF ¶ 185; PSMF ¶ 185.) A rope was found inside a brown paper sack in the guest bedroom of defendants' home, neither of which belonged to defendants. (SMF ¶ 181; PSMF ¶ 181.) Small pieces of the brown sack material were found in the "vacuuming" of JonBenet's bed and in the body bag that was used to transport her body. (SMF ¶ 181; PSMF ¶ 181.) Brown cotton fibers on JonBenet's body, the paintbrush, the duct tape and on the ligature were not sourced and do not match anything in the Ramsey home. (SMF ¶ 181; PSMF ¶ 181.)law.justia.com/cases/federal/district-courts/FSupp2/253/1323/2567726/
law.justia.com/cases/federal/district-courts/FSupp2/253/1323/2567726/
3. DNA NOT BELONGING TO FAMILY
DNA test results from January 1997 indicate that evidence under JonBenet’s fingernails and on her underwear did not match any of her family members or friends. The DNA test results were sent from Colorado’s Bureau of Investigation to lead detective Thomas Trujillo on Jan. 15, 1997.John Ramsey, JonBenét’s father, told Fox News Digital Thursday that he did not learn of the DNA results for a long time. “It didn’t fit [the investigators’] conclusion that one of us was the killer,” he said. “They did eventually notify the district attorney about six months later.”nypost.com/2023/02/10/dna-in-jonbenet-ramsey-case-did-not-match-parents-friends/
The profile from her underwear was entered into CODIS (the national DNA database) in 2003 six years after it was known.
www.crimemuseum.org/crime-library/cold-cases/jonbenet-ramsey/
4. GRAND JURY UNAWARE OF DNA EVIDENCE BECAUSE THEY WERE DISMISSED OCTOBER 13, 1999 AND THE SUBSTANTIAL DNA LISTED IN FBI'S CODIS DAABASE UNTIL 2003.
*In September 1998, a grand jury was convened to investigate the murder. The following year, on October 13, 1999, Boulder County District Attorney dismissed the Grand Jury. In other words, the Grand Jury was never to know of the DNA from an unknown male, not from any of the Ramsey's.www.history.com/this-day-in-history/grand-jury-dismissed-in-jonbenet-ramsey-murder-case
II. There is evidence of others' with the motivation, the means and the opportunity to commit this heinous crime.
*The insider - Linda Pugh: Motivation. Money.
Means: Had key, knew house inside and out including the basement room with the in floor safe where Jonbenet's body was found. Knew the Ramsey's schedule, Patsy's handwriting and expressions and had identical pads and pens taken from Patsy's along with copies of Patsy's handwriting. She knew where Patsy kept her note pad and pen. She knew where JonBenet's clothing, bedding and Burke's knife were kept. She knew Santa Bill AKA Prof. Wm. McReynolds.
*The Mastermind - Chris Wolf: Hatred of John Ramsey
No alibi. Evidence of Hatred towards John both before and after the murder. . Had handwriting more like that of the Ransom Note than Patsy. Knew the type of movies referenced in the Ransom Note. Santa Bill AKA Prof.William McReynolds who was his faculty adviser. He initially lied about that under oath. Was a convicted sex offender but he also intially lied about that under oath. He was a male stripper who performed live sex acts with both sexes. Rock climber who knew knot tying. Had clothing with SBTC on it.
Had to be shackled when taken in for questioning in January, 1997. He was not questioned again for 13 months.
My opinion is based on evidence and facts and they do not point to the Ramsey's. I don't particularly like the Ramsey's but that is irrelevant. I do admire that they devoted their lives to trying to find the killer or killers out there who could have continued to commit crimes for all we know.
There was a similar case nine months later and it was the molestation of a young lady who went to the same dance school as JonBenet. The intruder got in despite a dog and an alarm and waited until about 2:00 am. When the mother, sleeping in the bedroom nearby, heard strange noises, she went to the room, the INTRUDER pushed past her and jumped off of the second floor porch roof. This is PROOF POSITIVE that an intruder can do such a thing. And the Ramsey's house had a lot more places to hide and wait and the basement was so far from the third floor where the Ramsey's slept that it would have been impossible to hear noises from there all the way up to the third floor as the Grand Jury discovered when they went to the house. Of course JB had duct tape over her mouth and that in itself would have made it hard for her to scream. There was an open air duct in the room she was found in and sound would have traveled out of that to the outside much more easily than up four flights of stairs.
nypost.com/2023/02/10/dna-in-jonbenet-ramsey-case-did-not-match-parents-friends/
The note was brilliant. It accomplished two things. It transferred suspicion from a proposed kidnapper to Patsy, at the same time delaying the discovery of the body by 7 hours. If the murderer left the house around 3 am, which seems the latest she could have died, the killer could have been hundreds of miles away by then.
Did I get that right? The Ramsays weren't interviewed formally until four months after the murder?!! What???!!!
Yes, that's right.
Yes, total red flag.
Yep. they both lawyered up very soon after the murder.
yes. many in a long list of doesn't-make-them-look-good choices. such as inviting friends over before the police, calling the police when warned in the ransom note not to, not worrying about the times of the ransom note caller, moving the body, disappearing during the morning of to retrieve mail and develop photos (read arndt's report), refusing to have the body exhumed for reexamination of evidence. etc! etc!
Each day, I anxiously await for you to release a new video. This case is so cold, I am thrilled that it is getting some attention and new eyes on the case.
Is it possible that Burke was happy this happened? Now he will get the attention his sister used to get?
That's what I'm thinking too. He was jealous of her.
a small foreign faction murdered Burke's sister in their own home (apparently) yet the parents didn't even show concern this foreign faction could come back for Burke considering the first kidnapping attempt failed. THEY WARNED THE RAMSEYS THAT THEY WERE UNDER CLOSE SCRUTINY which could have meant 24/7 every day of the week.........yet that didn't concern them with sending Burke back to school without protection. Why? 99% of parents would be scared to death of allowing their other child out of their sight and paid for police protection OR home schooled. connect the dots..........
@@sallie6 When Burke returned to school, the Ramseys hired two security guards to protect the outside of Burke’s school and organized a group of volunteers to sit in the back of his class and make sure he was safe. As soon as the school year ended, the Ramseys left Boulder.
Burke was obviously coached by his parents about what to say and what not to say.
There was SOME reason he balked at "pineapple" like a horse may stop short at danger. It is observable and not a natural response for either NT or somewhat ND persons. So what would have prompted that reaction in a similarly situated child? (Although this child already lives in a reality much different from that of most children, so it may be difficult to imagine a similarly situated child.) There is so much toxic between the pathology, venal or not, and privilege. Ugh.
Patsy called the police at 5:55. The police were there by 6:06. John searched the second floor. Burke was asleep. By 7:00 he was at the Whit’s house. He knew his sister was missing and, according to those present was very upset. JonBenet’s body was found at 1:00 pm. At 2:00 pm, Burke was questioned by the police. Neither his parents nor an attorney were present. The police said he knew nothing about it except that his sister was missing.
They spent millons on saving their son.
Why does everyone think a 9 year old is capable of the way she was murdered. You have zero proof. I want proof of who i think did it, but no one has proof.
@@ceruleanc505 well someone got away with murder
@@paigewatsonx1512 Truth. And I think I know who. By connecting the dots, some of which are obscured. But, rest assured, there will be judgment for whomever did this vile thing. Make no mistake.
Maybe he did it when she was sleeping ?
@@ceruleanc505 there was snow on the ground around the home. There were no footprints leading to the broken window, or indeed anywhere else around the home except for the front door. The killer walked in the front door killed his sister and his parents freaked out, didnt want to lose two children, and staged the crime scene. More evidence is that when they noticed their child was missing they didnt check the basement?! If my kid was missing I'd check every corner of the home idc how big my house was. Anyway, when the cop escorted John to look in the basement FINALLY, the cop said John started running into the basement before the light was even turned on. The cop couldnt see anything but John knew her body was there without light and started running into the completely dark basement... What does that say to you?
If someone in family did it, my bet is on Burke. He was jealous of Jon benet.
He was down right cruel to her.
@@lindsaythomson5539 According to people who actually knew them, Burke and JonBenet were very close.
@@kimbrundige6320 those who actually knew them said he and his sister were very close and that he was very protective of her. No one ever claimed he was cruel to her.
To be fair, children can have a different perception. When I went through a divorce, my young sons were required to meet with a counselor and they thought it was really dumb to be there. They just wanted to play . Of course other than the divorce there was not anything traumatic going on in the background. Burke does seem a little off, but it seems his youth should be factored in with everything else.
There's a difference between divorce and murder in the home
@@mws755 Burke had to be sheltered throughout his life because of his fame over the widely publicized case.
her. Pugh testified for hours before the Grand Jury and has been quoted extensively in the press and in the seminal book about the early days of the investigation Lawrence Schiller's "Perfect Murder, Perfect Town." Pugh also sued to obtain the right to include information she'd given the Grand Jury in her "book." She ended up with one chapter of a planned book she titled "The Death of an Innocent."
In this "book" she points out how well she knew Patsy's handwriting and expressions. She boasted that she'd received many handwritten notes from Patsy which is the way Patsy instructed her about what jobs she wanted Pugh to do when she came.
She also made an about face. She'd told Schiller Patsy never made a big deal about Jonbenet's bedwetting. In her chapter, however, she claims she "many times" saw Patsy take JB to the bathroom, then heard JB screaming behind the closed door.
Every person connected to the Ramsey household had been interviewed early on by the BPD, including Pugh, and they never heard that the Ramsey's had ever used corporal punishment. Jonbenet was a happy, extroverted bundle of energy, not a sullen, shy or frightened child. This would not have been the case if Pugh's contradictory tale were true. Pugh is even quoted in Schiller's book of calling Jonbenet "a spoiled brat."
*Why was the Ransom Note only for $118 thousand instead of a huge sum. Pugh and her "Crew" wanted to get John down in the basement to open the in ground safe in which they imagined that there would be much more substantial value. By demanding the Ramsey's not notify the police, they hoped he'd be tempted just to get the money out of the safe.
If the Ramsey's had written the note they would have asked for a more believable amount. Why? Because they would have known they'd never have to pay anyone but themselves. They would have used a much more reasonable figure.
*Why did the Ransom Note end up on the stairs? Pugh knew Patsy went down those stairs every morning to make coffee.
*Why was the Ransom Note COPIED on to Patsy pad? This would cleverly seem to implicate the Ramsey's.
* Did Pugh actually write the note herself? No, but a former stripper, convicted sex offender, rock climber and journalist did. Here's a sample of his writing compared to the Ransom Note.than Patsy's:
imgur.com/r/JonBenet/8Ha6H4C
"Forensic document examiner Lloyd Cunningham cannot eliminate plaintiff (Wolf) as the author of the Ransom Note. (SMF ¶ 279; PSMF ¶ 279.) Plaintiff's ex-girlfriend has also testified she believes that he is the note's author. (J. Brungardt Aff. ¶ 43.) Carnes Report You can see his handwriting was more like the Ransom Note's than Patsy's was.
You mention at around the 12:00 mark that Burke looked and acted like he was "enjoying himself" during this interview. I've always had the feeling that he DID enjoy himself with all of the media attention, the interviews, etc. He had spent his childhood watching his sister get tons of attention and he probably didn't get a lot. He's such an odd child imo. But I do believe he was, at the very least, quite emotionally neglected by both parents, and all of the attention on him was exciting. He seemed to laugh and smile throughout all of his interviews, the memorial services and the funeral. He never seems the least bit bothered by the fact that his little sister was brutally murdered in his home.
They told him she was "in heaven now". Surely you don't think they would have revealed the gory details? He probably thought it was a happy ending for both of them, her in heaven, and himself as the only child, getting all the attention, treats and presents.
@@thatswhatisaid8908I think he already knew the details because he was the one that killed her. I think his temper was in full display. When he saw what he did he got the parents. This is just my opinion.
@@katherinechatham9032 We know he didn't write the ransom note and careful examination by six experts who gave sworn affidavits at the Wolf v Ramsey Trial concluded that Patsy was 4.5 on a scale of 5 that she did not write the note.
When JB was three and Burke six she stood to close behind him and got clipped by Burke's backswing of his toy golf club. Patsy immediately took JB to the hospital and they reassured her.
The medical evidence points to JB being accosted and strangled BEFORE she was hit over the head causing an 8 1/2" fracture. This is because there were scratches around the ligatures on her neck and her own skin plus the skin of an unknown male found under her fingernails. If she'd received such a severe blow it would have rendered her unconscious and unable to try to save herself.
Many people don't know about the following: JB WAS 'SET UP' TO EXPECT SANTA TO COME AFTER CHRISTMAS:
00. 1996-12-24: The day before Christmas, JonBenet was at Megan's house playing. (Perfect Murder Perfect Town PMPT Pg50sb)
00. 1996-12-24: JBR: "Santa Claus promised that he would make a secret visit after Christmas" (PMPT Pg50sb)
00. 1996-12-24: JonBenet insisted. "He said this would be after Christmas. And it's a secret." (PMPT Pg50sb)
"Looking back, I always thought that if anybody wanted to do major damage to this family, they could do it at Christmas, because they all adored Christmas. -Bill McReynolds" (PM,PT) P 292
www.acandyrose.com/s-neighbors-barbara-kostanick.htm
She was not stun gunned until she was already in the basement. This more likely was done to torture her, not to subdue her.
She did not need to be subdued until she was taken to the basement. Why? Someone dressed as Santa carried her down to the basement. She could have been quietly taken by "SANTA" who had signaled her for silence. She had already been set up to believe she would get a Santa surprise AFTER Christmas.
What better way to get a child to go with a stranger than if she had been set up for a visit by SANTA?
There were dark animal hairs in addition to one of the bristles from the paint brush found on the duct tape and her hands. The Ramsey's did not have any animal with dark hairs or fur. Patsy's clothes were checked both in Boulder and in Michigan and still no dark animal hairs were found.
However a Santa Claus suit was found and taken in to evidence by the BPD.
Who told her about Santa? Surely that would be prime suspect? Where was the suit found? How come no suspect was identified with the suit nail matter and the origin of the santa visiting story? Where did you get all this info?
Burke was in the kitchen with his mother after Jon Benet had gone to bed. Mom fixed Burke a bowl of pineapple. Burke was glad to have some alone time with his Mom since Jon Benet got so much attention. Jon Benet gets up and comes into the kitchen. She grabs a single piece of pineapple and eats it. (One piece of undigested pineapple was found in Jon Benet's stomach at autopsy). Burke gets angry and picks up the metal flashlight from the counter and hits the little girl over the head and she dies. The coverup by the parents started from there.
I really think the evidence points to the family.
What evidence?
Mommy.
@@gutenbird “Mommy Dearest”??👿
Teri Bell yeah, it’s pretty obvious it was the mother but people love making things difficult.
@@gutenbird Lou Smit proved it was an intruder! 🧐
I have a lot of different theories on this, but one of the main reasons that I would believe Burke took partner’s crime is because he stayed in bed. A lot of people think he stayed in bed because he was told to do so. But think about it these children were spoiled, and just like all children don’t have great impulse control. If he even had an inkling that something weird was going on, especially knowing he was going to fly that morning and have another Christmas. There’s no way he would’ve stayed in bed for as long as his parents wanted him to. He would’ve got anxious and got upset and Got up asking why he can’t come out of his bed. What his behavior tells me is that he did some thing and he is obviously worried about getting in trouble so he’d rather stay out of sight. I literally did the same thing as a kid when I broke something in the middle of the night and was afraid my parents would find out when they woke up. I was usually the first one out, but I would not come out of my room until addressed. And if it is true, that on the 911 call you hear him say, what did you fine, this would also make a lot of sense.
@@agag3449 What? The murder took place sometime after 1:00 AM. Everyone was asleep. The police were called at 5:55 and arrived soon after 6:00. Both John and Patsy had checked on Burke who was asleep. By 7:00, Burke was awake, dressed and safely at the White’s house. He was hardly hanging around in bed.
If Burk did do it .not for him at all. He had serious issues. Hope mom and dad were proud if they did cover for him . maybe they are as sick as he is
She had pineapple in her stomach at autopsy, parents say she had no pineapple at the parry they where at. In the morning the police find a bowel of pinallpe out with finger prints of mom and brother on it. Her brother and or mother where up and she took a piece of pineapple out of the bowel with out touching it. One or both of them where up and got the pinallple and milk because Jobenet did not leave her prints so she did not prep the snack after every one else.claimed they where in bed asleep
There was no evidence of fresh, frozen or canned pineapple in the house.We do know that the Victim's Advocates called in by the police went out at about 11:00 and bought fruit and bagels for the people there who had not had anything since they'd rushed over.
There was no undigested food found in her stomach. The contents of her digestive system were sent to U of Colorado scientists and their report indicated that the greenish viscous material in her small intestine contained not just pineapple residue but also from grapes, grape skins and cherries. This would indicate fruit cocktail not just pineapple. Burke did have his fingerprints on the bowl as he and Patsy had a ritual where he'd pass the dishes from the dishwasher to her to put away. The bowl was full of pineapple and a big serving spoon was there. The children were not deprived of food and it is absurd that Burke would have not given her pineapple from the dish.
But when Boulder police finally had the material in her stomach tested at the University of Colorado in Boulder in October of 1997, they found out two months later in December, that the material was pineapple, plus grapes, grape skins, and cherries. That is food similar to that found in a fruit cocktail."
”According to previously unreleased BPD reports, laboratory testing revealed that JonBenét also ate cherries and grapes as well as pineapple. Remnants of cherries were found in the stomach/ proximal area of her small intestine. “Another item besides pineapple was cherries.” (BPD Report #1-1348.) In that same report: “Another item besides pineapple was grapes.” (BPD Report #1-1348.) Another report expands on the grapes, saying “grapes including skin and pulp.” (BPD Report #1-349.) (WHYD)
* Was the pineapple the only fruit found in JB's digestive system? A: No. The U. of Colorado scientists were tasked by the CBI with examining the contents. They found grapes, grape skins, and cherries in addition to the pineapple. books.apple.com/us/book/we-have-your-daughter/id1141521638
If he killed her for taking pineapple then wouldn't it just be in her stomach? I believe it was in her intestines somewhere. Is that right? 2 to 4 hours to get there.
@@lisadelfava9293 I have always heard her stomach.
That boy had evil written all over him. Something seriously wrong with him. He definitely did this
I think Burke is a devoid when it comes to emotion.
Come to think of it, I’ve seen too many parents who are in denial over their child’s autism, like it’s a bad reflection on them. I’m now thinking maybe that was the reason for her mother’s obsession with the little show stage business with her daughter. Raising a special needs child is tragic, hard and mentally draining, especially if you had high expectations and dreams for them. It would be a way for the mother to escape the reality of Burke’s mental health and take it even to extremes, filling her days on the calendar and making this part of her world perfect and beautiful. I now strongly feel this was the case.
@rebekahcrossman4690 Jonbenet's teacher said she would have Jonbenet take children to the nurse because she was mature and empathetic.
Burke was a good student, did well in Scouting and Sailing, had many friends and Patsy would always write of his successes in their family news letter.
Burke is a college graduate and has never been in trouble.
@@rebekahcrossman4690 After the murder, by order of the court, Burke was examined by both child abuse specialists and child psychologists. They all found him to be a normal, mentally healthy prepubescent boy. No diagnosis of autism or any other mental disorder.
Bed wetting does not necessarily mean there is trauma or stress in the home. My daughter is 8 and she sleeps so hard that she won’t wake up so she wets the bed. Many kids are like this. He hid it because it’s embarrassing for a child. Also him running around playing at a funeral.. well kids don’t understand grief in the way we do. This is normal too. Shock can definitely cause it too.
Burke did it, parents covered it up. Case closed
I agree...
Thanks so much TCRS🔥💥😍👏🤗👍🥰💥🔥
Of course he's happy his sibling rival competition was gone I've seen this in many toxic family environments
Everyone who actually knew these people said that JonBenet and Burke were very close. I think they probably knew better than someone who never even met any of them.
@@nbenefiel Oh please. Close, my eye. Burke couldn't stand his bratty little sister who got all the attention.
Dr Phil excused all his smirking and laughing as part of being "on the spectrum". Phil's questioning was a gift to his pal John Ramsey and at behest of the lawyer they shared, Lin Wood another goof ball. It was a total cover up to stop investigating Burke and John Ramsey. His refusal to identify pineapple was excused as some other mild issue.
When Burke said "i know what happened" someone could have said, "Oh good. Tell me what happened." But, no. To protect John and Patsy?
No one mentions him hitting her in the head with a golf club years earlier. He might like hitting someone in the head. The Ramseys left alive were all liars.
@@bethryan9077 you certainly believe the Ramseys are all innocent. Burke made millions and which silenced a lot of people. John Ramsey left the scene to go to the airport, no one was allowed to question the Ramseys version of events, but they wrote books even though they had testified to grand jury and everyone else who testified - like the housekeeper - were told they could never speak, and housekeeper was threatened when she tried to write book about what she knew. Not being able to tell what she knew drove her into a breakdown.
You have a lo of info, you may be right, but I think Burke was there for the 911 call and did poop in her bed etc.
Dr Phil, John Ramsey and Lin Wood (the nut lawyer) were all buddies and John sued TV networks for millions.
John Ramsey knew he was mucking the crime scene, people were silenced so truth will always be hidden. The luck of the monied class?
@@bethryan9077wow - obsessed much or something 😂😂😂
One reason I don’t think Burke was involved is because he would have slipped during one of these interviews. No way a 10 year would lie so well while being questioned for hours multiple times.
However, the ransom note seemed to be written by a child. You have to have lots of imagination to be able to write this elaborate( fictional) story. It gives me a child vibe reading it. It’s so puzzling, but one theory IMO cannot be true is that an intruder did this.
Burke’s teachers noted that he told lies to get out of trouble.
Jonbenet by now would have just turned 32
It's burke
I'm not being funny, but are u crazy??? Honestly what child wants to shout it from the roof tops that they wet the bed??. I had a bed wetting problem and when I was a child I was totally embarrassed by it, I would never have admitted it, if a stranger asked me if I wet the bed, actually when I did at times get asked, I would deny it, I was embarrassed I seriously cannot understand how u cannot see that, I mean, u tend to get it right a lot of the time, even down to ur empathetic thoughts of the children when opening the xmas presents, how they may have felt, so it does strike me odd that u would not be able to see the little boy was probably totally ashamed and embarrassed when asked. Soz but had to make that point ;-)
I had a cousin many years ago who was a bed wetter until 14 or 15, and he was mortified. He would get up and wash his sheets and remake the bed in the middle of the night. Turns out his father was also a bed wetter til his teens. I did a little research and the way i understand it, it’s caused by a lack of a certain brain enzyme that helps you wake when your bladder needs emptying. Just saying, being a bed wetter doesn’t make you a killer.
Jon Benet was wetting the bed! Not burke! So now what is your reason about him LYING about his dead sister wetting the bed!
@@H.R.H-Amina_Bin_Shafiq-SHAKTI they both were wetting the bed .
Yes Burke's behaviour and reactions in the aftermath of his sister's murder in the house he was sleeping in, was totally incongruous. It doesn't seem like John was there much with the family, for sure and I'm pretty sure a young boy wouldn't have enjoyed pageant life, as you said and Patsy was definitely obsessed with JonBenet and pageants. Perhaps he was so disconnected to the rest of his family because this whole dynamic kind of leaves him to himself. He may have had to adapt to being I his own little world, as he didn't seem to be part of his familie's lives. He does seem too happy though. I'm no expert at all, but something is wrong here.
Ah, so Burke's angry reaction to someone having a sip of his soda is interesting in light of the pineapple. He reacted to something, so he didn't like sharing hey. Not at all. Interesting.
If Burke was able to get angry and upset at someone taking his pineapple or soda, then he has the ability to 'feel' emotion, yet he is not angry that someone killed his sister in his own home? He is not upset that his sister is gone?. He displays zero emotion when JB is talked about. When he is angry at someone for taking HIS things, i doubt he has a smile on his face at the time. He seemed full of glee (Asd spectrum or not). I see traits of narcissism (even at his young age)
Something is rather off with him.
@@moonriver4275 I agree something is very off with Burke, Moon River (and that's putting it mildly, from the little I've seen of him. I'm very new to learning about JonBenet's death and surrounding circumstances. Great points and I like your name and love that song. 👍
@Beth Ryan This doesn't even make sense in relation to my opinion of Burke🙄
I have watched his online child interviews and behaviour. Something with him is 'unsual', and you can throw your toys out the pram all you like, and throw digs back. It will not change how I feel. How a great day, ma'am!
@@moonriver4275 Fair enough. We can all have opinions. My days of throwing " my toys out of the pram" are well and truly over. I would strongly suggest I'm not the immature one here. Intelligent adults can discuss things without such nonsense. Have a good day. 🌹
@Brigitte Bowman. HUH? Are you also Beth Ryan? As my response was directed towards this person, hence then@ Beth Ryan.
I’ve read, watched and listened to so much on this case. I still couldn’t guess who killed Jon Benet.
Have you read any of my books?
@@TCRS Have you ever thought about writing a book a book about John F Kennedy Jr ?
I've read a few books about him. He was a fascinating person.
@@TCRS Who do you think done it??
I think it was someone that was with the guy that supposedly committed suicide shortly after the murder. One of their dads was a big wig at General motors, can't remember their names but of all the theories and potential perps that makes the most sense to me., I can't understand why people still point at someone in the family, DNA ruled them all out.
@@royharper2003 I think you're close. I haven't watched many of these videos however no one looks to child trafficking. After Epstein is-land, I think the father had some connections through his work. The likes of what Epstein related people would do are unthinkable and they have the money to cover it up.
Burke couldn't write the note or tie her up or know how to use a garrot
They gave it the Spanish name for media hype .
This form of gaining grip leverage method is handed down by every grandfather,even taught in cub scouts.
Media enjoying the fancy motif
Ok here's the deal.... She stole a piece of his pineapple out of his bowl. He grabbed the flashlight and whacked her over the head. How the folks find out I don't know if he told them, or they walk in and see. But the bottom line is that they were not going to see their son in prison for killing his sister. So, while mom's writing that silly little 3-page ransom book dad's down in the basement trying to set it up like she was killed by some mysterious killer on the loose. Who was so prepared he had to fashion a garrote using one of moms' paint brushes. Who just happened to know where a legal pad and a pen was. And y'know, the killer wants to write a good ransom note, so he sat there at the desk, and he makes a couple of practice runs and finally his masterpiece is complete, and he sits it on the back stair. Because he was proud of it and he fans it out just so, so they would be impressed too. I could go on, but my point is that the whole thing was obviously staged, and it was sloppy and obvious. And its comical at this point.
@@moody_blue_8189 no pineapples was found in JonBenet’s digestive tract. Obviously, she ate nothing after the party. The head injury occurred during or after the strangulation. According to Colorado law, a nine year old could not be charged with a crime. You ignore every verifiable fact in this case, the DNA, the pubic hair, the saliva, the skin under her nails, the various prints found at the scene. Frankly, I don’t think you know $#(+ about this case. You got nothing right.
In my opinion, it was Burke and his parents know that. His affect says everything. R.I.P. Jon Benet 💔You deserved so much better.💓
@@bethryan9077 Wow! Thank you!
I've learned more from your statement than I have over all of these years. Thank you for taking the time to clear it up for me. ❤
@earthling8585 His affect is not evidence. The evidence points elsewhere.
@@earthling8585 I'm glad you have kept an open mind. Beth Ryan is very knowledgeable about this case.
It was not Burke with the bed wedding problem it was his sister
The summer before Christmas, summer ‘96 Burke hit JonBenet on the head with a golf club which required stitches. So hitting JonBenet wasn’t a novel thing. It had happened before.
Burke of course feels safe he was the problem!
Boulder PD needs to be held accountable.
Great video thank you for this and I'm really enjoying the jonbenet vids and your opinions are always right to me and I'm really loving your voice xx
Burke may be guilty, I do not know ? But he may well be a child who does not act in the way of an average child due to undiagnosed Autistic Spectrum Disorder or developmental delay etc, which would affect his responses to questions and ability to communicate (therefore instinctively adding arm movements to his descriptions of what he imagined had happened to JonBenet and smiling at inappropriate times). Smearing faeces on walls / leaving 'grapefruit sized' faeces in his bed could be due to constipation problems/sensitivities due to Autism. Not wanting to share food or cans of soda could be due to Autism. Kids on the spectrum often do not want to share food, and also worry about germs from other people if they touch it. I could go on. I am not saying he is innocent, but I do feel sorry for him when I listen to some of the psychologists saying it is not normal for a child to act out his sister being hit with a hammer or being stabbed, because nobody points at an alternative possible innocent reason for his behaviour.
It is possible that both Burke and JonBenet were on the Autistic Spectrum and undiagnosed ?
I completely agree! I definitely think he is on the spectrum.
I work in the field of Autism and find his behavior similar to many children I’ve worked with. I think IF he did hurt/kill his sister he would not be able to carry on the lie. I just don’t think he could be both autistic and savvy at lying/covering up for himself or others. I think a lot of the Burke theory makes sense except this aspect. His detachment/inability to care about others would also prove difficult for him to know how to speak in a way that protects himself and his parents.
Sociopathic
I agreed, there is a few things that bother me about the theory that Burke did it. I can see why it is thought Burke might have done it because the crime was child like, but Patsy was also child like behind closed doors. Burke did have behaviour problems but you would have behaviour problems if your parent had been beating your younger sister for months, ( Jonbenet had showed signs of prior vagina beatings, where no one could see the injuries) .
If Burke committed the crime he was too young to be punished so there was no need to cover for him, also it would have been in his best interest to have gotten mental health help so it would have done no good for him to have covered it up. So I don't think Burke committed this crime.
I have always suspected Burke might have killed his sister, possibly by accident but maybe on purpose. Jonbenet was getting all the attention and Burke was sidelined. He must have resented her. Burke might have been told to stay in bed and he was definitely coached about what he should or should not say.
I think Burke enjoyed the attention he was getting during the interviews. Up until then it was Jonbenet who got all the attention.
I think Burke did it by accident. I have two sons and they would fight a lot when they were children (about the same age as Burke and Jonbenet) sometimes they would get so called weapons to fight the other. For what ever reason I believe Jonbenet may have pushed Burke off of her bike or maybe she did stick her finger in his snack and he grabbed the flashlight and hit her over the head. The parents were there and had to make a decision whether to call for help or to protect Burke from being put into an asylum and not to mention the family being the center of ridicule from their community……. PATSY WAS NOT GOING TO HAVE THAT!!!!
@@sharonstrickland9625 If this did happen, i think it was silly of the parents to cover it up. If Patsy and John explained Burke hit her and didn't realise he had hurt her very badly (to the point of death) Surely, given that he was only 9 yrs old, the community and public would have perhaps empathised with the Ramsey's and sympathised? Why did Patsy and John panic so extensively, to the point of the garrote and other injuries to cover it up? Wouldn't this have looked like guilt and and inside job? Something about this just doesn't make sense.
@@moonriver4275 Patsy panicked.
She’d apparently gotten a bike for Christmas but he didn’t
Burke turned 10 a few days after this crime.
I believe January 20. We'll give him 10, not 9.
When Burke was interviewed later on when he was in his 20s he was smiling and just kind of weird.
These videos are really interesting, thank you TCRS. I'd love to see the drawing.
Parents were covering for their other child.