140 FPS in Microsoft Flight Simulator | RTX 4090 & DLSS 3 tested in 4K, including PMDG 737-700

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  • @SimHangerFS
    @SimHangerFS  2 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    I was impressed by how little artifacting I witnessed, signs and nameplates all good, a little on the rain, but that is evident in DLSS 2 anyway. A great start for DLSS 3, holding much promise for the future. Note DLSS 3 is not compatible with VR at the moment. Frame rates will be limited to the maximum refresh rate of your monitor, in my case 144Hz.

    • @mikesmith4926
      @mikesmith4926 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      The improvements in ray tracing have made the cockpit clearer and images sharper and is
      only the beginning. I too am excited about the near future. You might find this interesting about Ray Tracing history: th-cam.com/video/NRmkr50mkEE/w-d-xo.html

    • @BoardstationDE
      @BoardstationDE 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      But DLSS 3 will come for VR? I couldn’t find anything about this topic

    • @neumanix456
      @neumanix456 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      No visible artifacts because the "AI" generated frames are based on two already rendered frames, so it's a "simple" matter of inserting an interpolated frame in between.
      And this without ANY help from the CPU at all. DLSS 3 (and future improved versions) are the future. No doubt about it. Incredible technology!

    • @valrond
      @valrond 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      So, it is useless when you need it. You are doing 72 fps and the card makes another 72 fake frames.

    • @valrond
      @valrond 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@neumanix456 So, like TVs have been doing for years?

  • @TrentDyrsmidBiz
    @TrentDyrsmidBiz 2 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    Brilliant video Mark! Thank you so much for investing all of the time to produce such a wonderful piece of content for our community!

  • @Anasaltamimi757
    @Anasaltamimi757 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you for the details explanation. I’ve followed these settings and I do see an incredible improvement. Now I’m enjoying my 737-800 every single second

    • @SimHangerFS
      @SimHangerFS  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Glad it was helpful!

  • @ervmoore1111
    @ervmoore1111 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Thanks much Mark! 😊 Yes, looking forward to your VR experience!

  • @rogerhundley9490
    @rogerhundley9490 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Have the hardware. Just have too wait for the release. Can't wait. Thanks for the video.

  • @obriets
    @obriets 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Was flying around Cyprus recently, went into graphics settings and noticed my terrain level of detail was set relatively low, like yours was, compared to my Ultra settings. Turned it way up and was blown away by the difference in the terrain of the island. Since then, it’s become THE most important setting to me.

    • @harleydavidsonstreetbob1322
      @harleydavidsonstreetbob1322 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That's true.... the preset Terrain Level of Detail in Ultra is just 200.... i put it on 350 and the Terrain looks way better, the Performance impact is not quite big, too

    • @zorbakaput8537
      @zorbakaput8537 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      LOD has always been the prime factor for quality of image (and FPS killer) for under powered systems. Going past 200 LOD is possible now because the cards have finally been given larger VRam (16 -24GB) when 3-4 years ago it was typically 11 and maxing out. The CPU side has just discovered this with the much larger cache being provided on new CPUs. That is one of the big factors in the 13900K improved perf over the 12900K (along with the jump to DDR5). Interesting to see the correlation with Ram (in all its forms on a system) and the recent performance gains.

    • @obriets
      @obriets 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@zorbakaput8537 I’ve been simming since the first stick image sim on the Tandy. I’ve had every iteration of MSFS, and in all those years, I’ve always tended to avoid NYC, London, Paris, and Tokyo because the frame rates were so poor that even my usually high end flight sim rigs felt underwhelming when flying study level aircraft. The 13th gen CPU, the 13900 coming next week, is going to be the first time that is all about to change. It really is a great time to be alive.

    • @forferdeilig
      @forferdeilig 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I found that setting to be one of the biggest fps hitter, at least in vr, seems to hit mainthead quite hard, though it looks way better with it higher

  • @denziiey
    @denziiey ปีที่แล้ว +12

    I have a 5800X3D and RTX4090 and I can tell you was well worth it. The frame generation takes fps toa whole new level. I use TAA instead of DLSS because it makes the screens blurry. I'll wait till Nvidia releases the DLSS update but for now I get 120+ fps at level flight with Fenix A320. The game is maxed out at 1440p. Even on the ground I get well over 60 fps at a major airport with dense traffic. The card is a beast you can't go wrong!

    • @andybaez5696
      @andybaez5696 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I also have a 5800x 3d and a 3080ti. Is it worth taking the plunge to the 4090? I fly FS a bunch.

    • @gonzo-py
      @gonzo-py ปีที่แล้ว

      @@andybaez5696 if you don’t see the video, you’ll ask these type of questions. The RTX 4090 is worth it. I mean, if you can afford one. I personally go for a RTX 4070Ti, cost’s around 850$ (usd) and includes DLSS 3. But as i said, if you can afford one, get a 4090. I hope my answer resolved your question. Have a nice day Sr.

    • @frallorfrallor3410
      @frallorfrallor3410 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@gonzo-py if you cannot aford a 4090 get a 4070ti

    • @Pendragon1989
      @Pendragon1989 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yea TAA is best if you want raw visuals and best quality. DLSS does make it blurry. All I need is a locked 50-60fps at max and i'm good! Lol

    • @rabbie68
      @rabbie68 ปีที่แล้ว

      I have a 4070, TAA gives me a stunning image quality, in 2k, i agree with you... 100-105 fps...

  • @JasonSturgess
    @JasonSturgess 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Very nice I had i7 8700k and was stuck at 30 FPS Max at 4k ultra on my 4090 so just upgraded to i9 13900k so looking forward to playing the game at well over 60 fps in all its glory.

    • @zorbakaput8537
      @zorbakaput8537 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      That upgrade will be a massive jump in performance (especially if you managed to get fast DDR5 Ram). In a week the new DDR5 7200MTs 32 clock ram should start trickling out and it is giving 100 -105 MB/s bandwidth where DDR4 3600 was hovering around 60 MB/s. to the CPU. All tests/reviews so far indicate a 4090 is being held back "cpu bound" by all but the latest CPU/ram combos at 4k which is were majority of flight simmers want to be in MSFS.

  • @CaptVirtual
    @CaptVirtual 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks for the detailed review Mark

  • @activex7327
    @activex7327 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks for this, hopefully XP fanboys will stop coming after me saying XP12 has better or similar performance. Meanwhile at XP12: 30-40fps on a 3080 RTX TI and that's with lower graphical settings than in MSFS.

  • @thomasbriscoe120
    @thomasbriscoe120 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Thanks Mark for the impressive video and looking forward to your findings when flying in VR.

  • @Mugnum_
    @Mugnum_ 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    08:10 - The interesting thing about Frame gen is that you can apply it whenever you need. To benefit from upscaling alone, you would need to be GPU limited, which isn't the case in the given example here where GPU is only at 50% usage. However turning on framegen would allow to get all the benefit, even if the computer is CPU limited.
    Typically game settings scale very well with GPU, but not so much with CPU. In the past, having poor CPU meant that you're kind of screwed, as settings barely have any impact then.

  • @sascenturion
    @sascenturion 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Hi Mark
    I would like to reiterate what Bill Scanlan has said in his comment below... What an outstanding presentation, clear and concise and to the point.
    Very impressed with your work and very jealous of your 4090!
    Well done and thanks.

  • @scottmcdonaldAAL211
    @scottmcdonaldAAL211 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks for this Mark- as usual, very useful and informative.

  • @ericveschi4904
    @ericveschi4904 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks for the review. Now a VR session to see if will buy it ^^

  • @NowIsGold
    @NowIsGold 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    This demonstration is very convincing! Thank you very much! I understood that latency could be an issue with DLSS 3 in VR, but apparently it isn't. I can't wait to receive the Asus TUF gaming RTX 4090 and experience it for myself! I am currently using an AMD Ryzen 9 5950X and if necessary I would consider upgrading my rig to an Intel Core i7 13700K or AMD 7000 X3D that is expected early 2023.

    • @SimHangerFS
      @SimHangerFS  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Note this demo/vid is on the flat…using the monitor. DLSS3 is not yet compatible with VR. See my VR test here th-cam.com/video/DFj-7mDUOv4/w-d-xo.html

    • @aventuraalert8254
      @aventuraalert8254 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      stick with your motherboard and ram - check out the 5800X3D - drops right in --- BEATS all comers in flightsim 2020 -- I just upped my 5600x to it --- next stop the 4090

    • @NowIsGold
      @NowIsGold 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@aventuraalert8254 I can understand the jump from a 5600X to a 5800X3D. Upgrading a 5950X, however, gives a marginal gain imo. CPU L1 and L2 go down, only L3 goes up with 32MB. No overclocking for the 5800X3D!.Moreover, investing in a dying platform doesn't seem very attractive.

    • @vMaxHeadroom
      @vMaxHeadroom 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@NowIsGold Maybe a bit late but using a 4090 with the 13700K and can only say it is an absolutly impressive CPU. I think worth waiting for the new 3D CPU's from AMD to see what sort of boost they will provide but then again there is always something else on the horizon though I have to say the 5950X is a mighty CPU...

    • @NowIsGold
      @NowIsGold 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@vMaxHeadroom In the meantime I also bought a 13700K and together with my existing 4090 I'm impressed with the performance!

  • @s1ix
    @s1ix 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I have an almost identical setup to yourself, and am using the same beta version. I have found the blurry displays using any type of DLSS is still too much of an irritation to ignore. I get almost the same results, with much sharper cockpit displays using TAA, and frame generation on.

    • @samsnook100
      @samsnook100 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Same here, went back to TAA. I’ve seen online that Asobo is working on excluding the instrument displays from DLSS sampling, so if that does come in, then I’d go back to DLSS

    • @OCX600RR
      @OCX600RR 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      TAA + Frame Generation should be the best of both worlds right now no?

    • @samsnook100
      @samsnook100 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@OCX600RR is frame generation an MSFS video setting?

    • @s1ix
      @s1ix 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@samsnook100 Yes. On the beta only at the moment. You can sign up in the Xbox Insider app.

    • @s1ix
      @s1ix 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@OCX600RR Yep. Seems that way. It's certainly given me the very best results.

  • @rikodewantoro
    @rikodewantoro 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    very high detail, very smooth, very pleasant to watch it though

  • @SoaringGuy
    @SoaringGuy 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Cracking video. Thanks Mark. Looks really impressive and as you say, can only get better.

  • @KirkRoyster
    @KirkRoyster 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I just made the difficult decision to sell my Mac Studio Ultra and move to PC, coming out of denial regarding it not being able to perform with gaming applications. I'm a flight sim enthusiast, flying heavily on XPlane. The PC that I will have next week has the 4090 as well as 13th gen Intel CPU, and I have had my hopes high that DLSS3 would deliver, given that MSFS (and XPlane) are CPU single threaded applications even to this day (the bottleneck). Your video has given credibility to the shift I have plotted, and obviously I will be putting MSFS on the new system. Can't thank you enough for your time invested in helping all of us with this level of sharing. I certainly will keep my eyes on your content moving forward. Cheers. Kirk, Michigan, US

    • @SimHangerFS
      @SimHangerFS  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks Kirk, make sure your selected monitor has a high refresh rate as dlss3, like all other applications of this type, are limited to the monitor refresh rate. My demo was on a 144Hz monitor 👍

    • @KirkRoyster
      @KirkRoyster 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@SimHangerFS I have the Samsung Odyssey neo g9. 5120 x 1440 240Hz. I noticed in XPlane it listed 60 and 120Hz at this resolution. With the forthcoming PC I have also ordered DisplayPort 1.4a compliant cabling, which I believe will not hinder it. Does this sound ok?

    • @SimHangerFS
      @SimHangerFS  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@KirkRoyster it couldn’t be better! 👍

    • @SimHangerFS
      @SimHangerFS  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@KirkRoyster yes, I am, all okay my side so far and I was careful with the bend. Strikes me as a poor design. Corsair are bringing out a new cable end Oct and I will get that as soon as available.

    • @SimHangerFS
      @SimHangerFS  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@KirkRoyster yes…keeping my eye on it.

  • @Republic3D
    @Republic3D 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    DLSS 3 will be implemented on 2000 and 3000 cards as well, but it won't have the same efficiency because the 4000 has extra hardware for that function. Right now it's one of the most important driving factors for 4090 sales, so Nvidia will likely wait a good while to make it available to everyone else with an RTX card.

    • @SimHangerFS
      @SimHangerFS  2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Yes, I didn’t mention it as I can’t find anything definitive from Nvidia on this. 👍 I am not sure about the 2000 series however.

    • @itftcomputers
      @itftcomputers 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@SimHangerFS Probably top cards only like 2080 Ti -)

    • @SimHangerFS
      @SimHangerFS  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@itftcomputers seems now series 2000 cards will be excluded from DLSS3 unfortunately according to Nvidia.

  • @omgitsbees
    @omgitsbees 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I really wish I could afford one of these cards. Flight Sim in VR is one of my main sims, and I am playing on an RTX 2070 currently.

  • @MrFiideell
    @MrFiideell 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thank you for the vid. Would you mind doing a test with some addon airport scenery and the PMDG?

    • @432Point
      @432Point 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I too would like to see this. 4k, ultra, pmdg 73, at night, rain, and at KORD. Oh with traffic too. I want to see Mark’s system stretch it’s legs.

  • @spy2778
    @spy2778 2 ปีที่แล้ว +54

    While I always appreciate your videos, it’s also worth noting that the absolute vast majority of people using the sim can’t even afford a 30 series card yet, let alone a 40 series card. It will be years (if ever) before most of us get a chance to use these cards.

    • @SimHangerFS
      @SimHangerFS  2 ปีที่แล้ว +36

      I accept that, but always interesting to see and demonstrate new technology.

    • @dabneyoffermein595
      @dabneyoffermein595 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      I don't think that's accurate. Do you realize how hard it was to get a 3090 or 30 series during the shortage?, and they are still selling like hotcakes. Plenty of people use the 30 series with MSFS. Don't sell the market and simmer's short.

    • @spy2778
      @spy2778 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@SimHangerFS True. I will drool away & get another lotto ticket.

    • @pauljennings2451
      @pauljennings2451 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      True have a lot of other things to waste my money on 😂

    • @damonm3
      @damonm3 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Huh? Speak for yourself. Of course many can’t afford things in life. This is kinda like someone that can’t afford something out of their budget for anything and then commenting about how they can’t afford it. Why even watch the videos then? You love gpus? I watch car videos that I can’t afford but I don’t whine about it in the comments. 😂🏆

  • @TravisAviation
    @TravisAviation 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    What I am seeing is MS/Asobo needs to work on thread optimization to allow for better GPU usage. The nice part is that your space heater isn't going at full tilt, but there is still room for about 30% more performance gains.
    Maybe when direct access to the gpu comes out, it might fix these issues and reduce latency as well I hope.

    • @SimHangerFS
      @SimHangerFS  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Agreed, note the power draw during all my tests were within 10% of my 3090!

  • @XCraftllc
    @XCraftllc 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Appreciate the walk through on the settings, I didn't realize you had to select frame generation, I thought is was supposed to just activate it automatically!

  • @roberthorton9599
    @roberthorton9599 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Excellent Mark! Your MSFS content is superb.

  • @justflyit7569
    @justflyit7569 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Mark, thank you very much for the another informative video. As I understood to be able to see DLSS 3 option in MSFS menu, I have to switch on Hardware-accelerated GPU scheduling . So I did so and this option of DLSS 3 is not available. I wandered about all of your system and MSFS settings, because I’m not getting such a good result with my RTX 4090. Looking forward to seeing a new video from you covering this subject. Thank you!

    • @gino2436
      @gino2436 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Me to… also have no frame generation

  • @dabneyoffermein595
    @dabneyoffermein595 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Windows 11 crashed my MSFS over and over and over, when back to 10, everything is right with the world now.

  • @a.rawlinson2828
    @a.rawlinson2828 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    £1500 is a bit steep for a gain in fps which the human eye cannot detect.

    • @Despiser25
      @Despiser25 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The eye, maybe not, but my soul can feel stutters, lol. The 4090 uncrushed my soul a little, lol.

  • @af186
    @af186 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video-info! Thanks!

  • @jamieknight326
    @jamieknight326 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks for this insight. It’s really useful :)

  • @user_16309
    @user_16309 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Remember when "30 fps is all that’s required for a smooth experience in MSFS"? Yeah I told myself that too. Until yesterday when I snagged my own 4090 Founders Edition at MSRP. Now I want all the sweet, sweet VR frames I can get!

  • @ErikFigueroa
    @ErikFigueroa 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Thanks for this highly anticipated review of the 4090 in MSFS! I'm also the proud owner of a 3090, but that DLSS 3 frame generator is making me mighty jealous. I've no plans to upgrade my GPU for a few years, but I'm already excited at the prospect of future GPUs rendering MSFS at even higher framerates. The days of 30 fps flight simming are certainly going to be behind us, and even lower end cards will be able to run MSFS better than my 3090 does now. Exciting times!

    • @karmabasedj8184
      @karmabasedj8184 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Lol here I am with an AMD card and still waiting for the first FSR release of Msfs

    • @activex7327
      @activex7327 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@karmabasedj8184 And why would you buy an AMD card?

    • @karmabasedj8184
      @karmabasedj8184 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@activex7327 Because AMD still has the decency to not make you sell your kidney to buy a gpu, unlike Nvidia

    • @activex7327
      @activex7327 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@karmabasedj8184 Yes but than you pay 2 kidneys to AMD to release a decent driver.🤣😂😂😂

    • @ExorHC
      @ExorHC 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@karmabasedj8184 didnt know i had to sell my kidney for 500 bucks to get a up to date gpu

  • @kakitajubei
    @kakitajubei 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thank you very much for this video. I'm currently waiting for delivery of my rtx 4090 (switching from 4070ti) My CPU is i714700kf and 32 gb of ram. I sincerely hope that with 4090 the photogrammetry in 4K won't be an issue anymore and that I'll be able to fly in London and Naples in pmdg 737 / fenix a320 without any problem,

  • @miguelin96
    @miguelin96 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    it necesary to have activated HAGS in windows?

    • @SimHangerFS
      @SimHangerFS  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      For DLSS 3 yes otherwise DLSS 3 not available.

  • @alejandromarin8425
    @alejandromarin8425 ปีที่แล้ว

    Another great video. Keep them coming!

  • @tomdchi12
    @tomdchi12 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The "fake frames" of DLSS 3 do not help for "fast twitch shooter" games because of the slight increase in latency between what your eyes are seeing versus what is happening in the game engine. For those games, the difference between 40fps versus 80fps of "true frames" is a 12 millisecond improvement from something happening on the screen to the player being able to react. The frames generated by DLSS 3 don't impart that advantage to the player. But for a flight sim, it's perfect to smooth out the visualization.

    • @ChrisM541
      @ChrisM541 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Additionally, these 'fake frames' will do absolutely nothing to ease the already struggling real(!!) game engine - e.g. if it struggles to maintain 30fps, it's will still struggle to maintain those 'real' 30fps frames. A struggling game engine is something fake frame injection isn't going to help with.

  • @speedbird8326
    @speedbird8326 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Hi Mark, do you have a Gsync monitor ? If so, you need to have Vsync forced on in NVCP in BOTH the global and MSFS 3D settings for it to work properly and Vsync off in MSFS in-game settings. This makes a huge difference in smoothness. I have the identical 4090 and a 10900k.I am at 4 k and on SU 11. I find DLSS3 quality still gives noticeable blurriness of glass cockpit displays compared to TAA. I find virtually no difference in frame rate using TAA but much clearer displays. You can get around the blurriness by moving closer to the displays but it is not a natural position in the cockpit (I’m a real world 737 pilot btw). Anyway I have found almost the same results and the next huge uplift will be either 13th gen Intel or the 7800X3D from AMD.

    • @SimHangerFS
      @SimHangerFS  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I have a gsync compatible monitor and and it’s on. I tried also with it off….very little difference with DLSS3

  • @MindWandererRU
    @MindWandererRU 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Dlss 3.0 is a great feature. For me mfs runs 50-70 fps in 3440x1440 resolution on ultra without dlss above New-York city with 4090 and 5800x. Then I use just frame generation tech and get 100-140 fps without noticing any visual glitches. Now I hope this feature will also be added in VR mode also

  • @MustafaGT
    @MustafaGT 2 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    Although frame generation does boost fps by almost half, it also has downside. When inside cockpit and panning views quickly, there is a flicker that occurs in the image. It looks like a screen tearing effect. Also, DLSS has a shimmering effect. So at the moment TAA is still the best quality you will get and personally, I didn’t get my 4090 so that I can get 100 fps with image issues. I’m happy with 60 fps and rock solid graphics quality.

    • @MrMatthew1992
      @MrMatthew1992 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Try enabling vsync in the nvidia control panel for flight sim only. I believe the vsync in game may be greyed out, well it is withing spiderman remastered. So forcing it on in control panel then syncs fps to your monitor refresh rate.

    • @MustafaGT
      @MustafaGT 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@MrMatthew1992 It’s got nothing to do with Vsync. i run a gsync monitor. This is an issue with frame generation among other issues with DLSS. Thanks though!

    • @Jcee4
      @Jcee4 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@MustafaGT Yep spot on, its a frame generation issue not a vsync issue.

    • @-dazz-
      @-dazz- 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Exactly. It makes no sense to me to spend a crap load of dough in the best hardware just to compromise on visual quality for extra "fake" frames. But to each their own, of course.

    • @sterbergaming
      @sterbergaming 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I experienced this with my 3060. Especially while using the FMC and stuff, the image quality is visibly ruined for just a boost of 5-10 frames.

  • @TheMx5Channel
    @TheMx5Channel 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I have seen alot of artifacts for instance, inside the cockpit letters and text are harder to read with DLSS on. It feels like it has some blur on it. Yes it increases FPS but it looks in my case alot worse. I use the 2070 super and 9700k 32 gb ram.

    • @SimHangerFS
      @SimHangerFS  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes, me too with DLSS2. Asobo are aware of the issue and working on a solution. In SU11 (beta), it does seem a bit better, but not perfect.

  • @javipamp
    @javipamp 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks for the video. I hope Nvida will be able to make something similar to dlss3 for vr. We really need it!!

  • @ronstewtsaw
    @ronstewtsaw 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    What's going on at 5:12? MSFS changing it's mind about what to display under the right wing? I don't use MSFS as much as I would like, so maybe I should be expecting that behaviour?

    • @SimHangerFS
      @SimHangerFS  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yes, scenery popping. Part to the MSFS issues, especially with photogrammetry scenery.

    • @ronstewtsaw
      @ronstewtsaw 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@SimHangerFS Thank you!

  • @MrRedwings84
    @MrRedwings84 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    what about RTX4090 VR use ?

    • @SimHangerFS
      @SimHangerFS  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Check out my first amazing test here th-cam.com/video/DFj-7mDUOv4/w-d-xo.html

  • @philipplazarou981
    @philipplazarou981 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hi, wow!!! I have got 3080ti and i9, and I have never get more than 60fps on PMDG 738, in London city max 36fps. How do you get more than 100fps????

  • @x2njx
    @x2njx ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I have an 4090 and 13900ks, over Tokio with a Jet on almost ground level, (normal Dlss off so i play on native max out settings (higher then Ultra) with dlss 3 on) btw 105 and 125 fps. Dlss 3 is amazing.

  • @philburke3652
    @philburke3652 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Excellent review, really helpful.

  • @Bedgie01
    @Bedgie01 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    It would of been nice to see what the 3090 was actully doing with MSI Afterburner and DLSS2

  • @LDCH3197
    @LDCH3197 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    So no instrument blurriness with DLSS? Is that a improvement with SU11 or is something related to the graphic card?

    • @SimHangerFS
      @SimHangerFS  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      To be honest I’m not sure. I think SU 11

  • @robertpomerleau5749
    @robertpomerleau5749 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    SUPER NICE ! and thanks so much for the video Mark. I am waiting for mine …popular card and I missed the first ones guess to low on the list but now close to the top of the list andvI hope to be getting that email saying it’s in. This Hobby just keeps getting BETTER!!

  • @holobolo1661
    @holobolo1661 ปีที่แล้ว

    What about with inibuilds EGLL and FSLTL? Please test REAL scenarios, with the proper approach set up in FMC etc.

  • @roberthatcher2773
    @roberthatcher2773 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    As always Mark, thank you for great info!

  • @lickrish3930
    @lickrish3930 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I thought you were in VR I was getting excited there 140 frames

  • @MR_1989
    @MR_1989 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Good morning! I am yet to receive my 4090, so i cant see the options for DLSS3 yet. In the beginning of the video you mention that DLSS3 is only available on DX12? Is this correct or are you just using DX12 because it renders better fps and smoothness??

  • @chiccoka
    @chiccoka 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    i just intalled 4090 Tuf. DX12 on but i cant find /Frame gen in my menu.

  • @FL350Aviation
    @FL350Aviation 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks for the demonstration, however I could still prefer to use active flight pause until the entire scenery gets fully loaded and rendered, but I'm still perfectly fine with 4k 100fps on a pmdg :D
    that's a performance we've never seen or expected from this sim since FSX

  • @zillaflightsimmer4937
    @zillaflightsimmer4937 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hey@ please Load up pmdg in klax and full traffic and test dlss3 . Thats how u stress test it . Please do another video and show us.

  • @mcorrive12
    @mcorrive12 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Wow. Guess I better start saving!! 🤯
    My 5 monitor sim needs a serious boost from my 3080! 🥵

  • @GodfatherCZ1
    @GodfatherCZ1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    WOW :) so no visual bugs with DLSS 3 ? the smoothnes of Heathrow and PMDG is awesome .. with some VATSIM traffic i expect about 60 which is still very flyable . But i have only 3080Ti so only DLSS 2 for me after nvidia and asobo fixes bluriness .

  • @jamesm568
    @jamesm568 ปีที่แล้ว

    I found TAA with frame regeneration checked on works best for me. The DLSS 3 looks weird.

  • @mhe0815
    @mhe0815 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Actually, interpolation and reprojection (extrapolation) are very different things. DLSS3 basically holds back the next true frame, generates an in-between one and then pushes both the interpolated and the truly rendered one whereas reprojection works without having the next true frame ready because in VR, you need lower latency above all else.
    Also, VR reprojection only works with fixed refresh rates since the constant frame interval allows you to know in advance how far into the future to extrapolate current motion vectors which you can't possibly do with variable refresh rate since you don't have a reliable timeframe to calculate towards. DLSS3 frame generation circumvents this by waiting for the next real frame and doing the interpolation between that new and the previous frame, giving visually better results than reprojection/extrapolation, however coming at the cost of latency. And this is the reason why DLSS3 is probably not for VR unless they make a miracle happen.
    Anyway, great vid! :)

  • @Macbrowndog
    @Macbrowndog 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Mark, The million dollar question does DLSS3 work in VR?

    • @activex7327
      @activex7327 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It was mentioned DLSS3 is not supported right now in VR.

    • @SimHangerFS
      @SimHangerFS  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      No, it doesn’t. Check out my previous video for vr performance, still mightily impressive

    • @Macbrowndog
      @Macbrowndog 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@SimHangerFS I am going to make the jump to the 4090 when Varjo sort out the stuttering problem.. I am also going to upgrade the CPU to the 13900k hopefully this with help with the CPU thread issue in MSFS. I am looking forward to your indepth VR testing using the 4090.

    • @SimHangerFS
      @SimHangerFS  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Macbrowndog coming early next week!

  • @marionetteworks
    @marionetteworks 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    So for real, no artifacts, no hard-to-read glass cockpit, no HUD issues, nothing? There were some other 4090 reviews that complained about some artifacts from frame generation, just making sure. It seems almost too good to be true. Give me a reason to not spend that money. :)

    • @SimHangerFS
      @SimHangerFS  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I didn’t say no artefacts, but they were few and far between. HUD was very good, not sure if this was the 4090 or SU11?

    • @marionetteworks
      @marionetteworks 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@SimHangerFS but you didn’t see a dealbreaker, that’s good. With DLSS 2.0 at first I thought the more blurry font made it too painful to use. It is more blurry but I still end up using it because the performance is much better. I think the type of HUD elements where you see an issue with DLSS 3.0 is eg POI markers floating in mid air. But I have those turned off anyway, I’m much more concerned about being able to clearly read G3X or G1000 fonts.

    • @SimHangerFS
      @SimHangerFS  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@marionetteworks note your fps will be defined by your monitor refresh rate.

    • @marionetteworks
      @marionetteworks 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@SimHangerFS yea that’s not an issue, I use a 120 Hz VRR display :)

  • @GulfCoastTim
    @GulfCoastTim 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    That FPS is totally impressive especially considering maxed at 4k. Also, don't forget the Radeon 7000 series coming next month. Those will be very strong competition for the Geforce 4000 series.

    • @archvile1313
      @archvile1313 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Nvidia has always been better for FS than AMD.

    • @deloford
      @deloford 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The 7000 doesnt have frame generation so it wont come anywhere close to the 4090 for FS.

  • @iwfro
    @iwfro 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    And VR performance?

    • @ur_round_next1216
      @ur_round_next1216 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yeah where is the VR preformance thats what iv been waiting for

    • @martinhsl68hw
      @martinhsl68hw 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      there's no vr dlss 3 for now. not even sure it will be possible at all

    • @SimHangerFS
      @SimHangerFS  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Check out my first test in VR here th-cam.com/video/DFj-7mDUOv4/w-d-xo.html

    • @SimHangerFS
      @SimHangerFS  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ur_round_next1216 you can see my first VR test here th-cam.com/video/DFj-7mDUOv4/w-d-xo.html

    • @iwfro
      @iwfro 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      So if there’s no DLSS 3 for VR it rather suggests there’s not so much point in a 4090 over an 3090, great vid all the same,

  • @dabneyoffermein595
    @dabneyoffermein595 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Can you comment to the difference between MSFS-2020 on a 2K Ultrawide monitor versus doing MSFS-2020 on a 4K Monitor? I don't think even with a 4090 that a 4K is feasible running GSX, the Traffic Injector, FBWA320NX at LAX, it would seem that would be a stretch., the GPU would likely just choke out on that many pixels, a 1440p 2K Ultrawide is chock with pixels because it's 3440 x 1440, and that's my main monitor now. with a 3090 and it's barely enough and my 12900K gets CPU throttled

    • @SimHangerFS
      @SimHangerFS  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      If your using 1440p then stay with the 3000 series…the 4090 offers little here. Your cpu will bottleneck before anything else. I did try the Fenix A320, Brussels Intl, AI traffic and live traffic, cloudy etc and got around 55 fps on average.

    • @dabneyoffermein595
      @dabneyoffermein595 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@SimHangerFS AH, CPU BOttleneck, then i need to get a bigger CPU. Got IT, will do tomorrow (today) and once i get it installed , I'll let you know how it goes. (13900K on a z790 ddr5)

  • @mcnally666
    @mcnally666 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I have an aorus master 4090 with ryzen 9 7950x and 64g corsair dominator platinum and I'm not getting good preformance or FPS and it's saying I'm limited by main thread

    • @SimHangerFS
      @SimHangerFS  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Monster set up! The single core limitation is really starting to show up now!

  • @geofflangdon4467
    @geofflangdon4467 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    To be honest, this has very limited use for MSFS. The actual sim calcs are still running at the original frame rate which is really what matters in how the plane feels and flies. The generated frames don’t take in to account any actual control inputs and environmental factors. While the generated frames make fast moving action appears smoother, it doesn’t make much visual difference to a slow moving visual like MSFS. I’d put your money in to a faster CPU before I paid to upgrade a 30 (or even a 20) series GPU. The generated frames do smooth out VR a bit, but that’s a limited use case.

    • @SimHangerFS
      @SimHangerFS  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I would argue you don’t need more that circa 60 fps for a valid control input that would reflect RW input and response. What is lacking for many simmers is the frame rates to provide a smooth and seamless flight.

    • @geofflangdon4467
      @geofflangdon4467 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@SimHangerFS Totally agree... And in fact, 30 fps is probably enough for that seamless experience non-VR. The objects on screen don't move far enough to perceive much difference above 60fps. Hardware Unboxed did a really good analysis of DLSS3.

  • @tldrinfographics5769
    @tldrinfographics5769 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    DLSS managed to quadruple the performance with resolution upscale and frame injection
    Wow

  • @lastcall170
    @lastcall170 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Where is the option for dlss3? I don't have it. I'm still on dlss1.

  • @Coastingonlife
    @Coastingonlife ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video, hey man I just uploaded the pmdg 738 msfs and it won't follow Nav route ,it keeps missing the turns, Any ideas on how to fix it?

    • @SimHangerFS
      @SimHangerFS  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Ensure nav mode is selected from the top auto-pilot panel.

    • @Coastingonlife
      @Coastingonlife ปีที่แล้ว

      @SimHanger Flight Simulation it was, problem solved, it was option Piloting Assistance becomes (On) automatically after every update and it interfere with Nav ,Thank You so much anyway.

  • @harpoon_bakery162
    @harpoon_bakery162 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You're really good with MSFS-2020 , quick question: In task manager I hardly have any utilization of GPU or CPU (5%/10%) and heading into a terminal at LAX my frames were struggling at 25 to 30 , which was red-lining the FPS counter. I have the injector & GSX in community, that's it. Can't figure this out.

  • @fetzie
    @fetzie 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Certainly more useful than other benchmarks but would you be able to test the 4090 with dlss3 and frame generation inside the Fenix at ini builds KLAX or ini builds egll? With and without FSTL would be great but I read that you are not a fan of that.
    Thank you

    • @SimHangerFS
      @SimHangerFS  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Fenix worked fine for me (no FSTL) at JFK, got about 60fps.

  • @colasmulot
    @colasmulot 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Using the PMDG (for example) with DLSS 2 makes the cockpit and especially the screens blurry. Have you noticed the same using DLSS 3 and the PMDG ?

  • @charleschilders2041
    @charleschilders2041 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    DLSS 3 is frame generation. VR already has that with ASW or Reprojection.

    • @SimHangerFS
      @SimHangerFS  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes, as mentioned in the video

  • @SeanPGribbons
    @SeanPGribbons 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I need this and a full sim motion chair then ill be satisfied

  • @SkyKing-Opa
    @SkyKing-Opa 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    How do you get the gpu counter show up in MSI afterburner please?

  • @SydneyRadio2UE
    @SydneyRadio2UE 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Do you see the same banding at 6:34 that I do? Just wondering what your video bit depth is and if you are rendering each frame at 10 bits?

    • @SimHangerFS
      @SimHangerFS  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      It’s an MSFS scenery glitch…you get it sometimes.

  • @andrewwilliams9419
    @andrewwilliams9419 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Darn, time to get out the plastic. Great review

  • @get_outdoors
    @get_outdoors 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Teasing us VR pilots! Looking forward to your VR analysis, I have seen one ‘credible’ TH-camr with a G2, I’m sure you’ll not be disappointed. For now I’m staying with my 12900 + rtx3080ti + G2 & Windows 11 (22h 2), very happy with the recent improvements, using DX12 quality, HAGs ON…… looking like SU11 will bring further improvements to the Sim and now Nvidea has its eye on MSFS I’m sure there are going to be further improvements.

    • @SimHangerFS
      @SimHangerFS  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Check out my VR test here th-cam.com/video/DFj-7mDUOv4/w-d-xo.html

    • @jrherita
      @jrherita 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      With that setup are you aiming for 45 fps ‘higher quality’ with reprojection? I’m looking to get back into VR Flying and have a similar setup (3080Ti, Ryzen 7700X, Quest 2)

  • @danielpike3778
    @danielpike3778 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    If the price wouldn’t be THAT high for the exceptional performance in flightsimulation 😢
    This week I’m going to upgrade to a 5800x3d (still use my 2080ti) on a 2560x1080p monitor.
    I’ll stick to full hd as I can’t afford those high prices for only an GPU.
    Great video an well explained, thank you very much!

    • @SimHangerFS
      @SimHangerFS  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      The 5800 is one of the best for MSFS!

    • @danielpike3778
      @danielpike3778 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@SimHangerFS
      I’ve just installed it and FPS increase about 30-50%. Wow 😮🙂

  • @GreggRoberts
    @GreggRoberts 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Cheers mate! Any smoke coming from your box?

    • @SimHangerFS
      @SimHangerFS  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Not yet 🫠

    • @GreggRoberts
      @GreggRoberts 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@SimHangerFS That's good news. Unrelated question. Do you use the map? With dx12 I get better frame rates with it outside of window on a different monitor but when I adjust the size it keeps crashing.

    • @SimHangerFS
      @SimHangerFS  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@GreggRoberts yes I do, but haven’t tried popping it out to my other monitor recently. (SU11).

  • @stevetb7777
    @stevetb7777 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I really hope DLSS 3 becomes VR compatible eventually... soon... now.... =D

  • @anthonymark3771
    @anthonymark3771 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video once again. Any chance doing a triple screen test to see what the performance is using the PMDG over London.

  • @iansolo24100
    @iansolo24100 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Any link for the 3rd party that shows fps on your left screen please?

  • @DeepSkySimulations
    @DeepSkySimulations ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you for your video. How is your experience with the RTX 4090 and heavy AI traffic, e.g. FSLTL with 100 IFR aircraft? Do you still get 60 FPS at Ultra settings?

  • @KEITHGEE1000
    @KEITHGEE1000 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks Mark always very helpful. I am upgrading my system (five yearly and my old GTX1081i still, packs a punch). I plan to buy this card. My question, are there even better graphics cards coming in the near future?

    • @SimHangerFS
      @SimHangerFS  ปีที่แล้ว

      Nothing from Nvidia until late 2024 would be my guess… but who knows 😁

    • @KEITHGEE1000
      @KEITHGEE1000 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@SimHangerFS Thanks! Lastly I’ve seen very little recommendations etc for a good monitor to work with the 4090. Any thoughts?

    • @SimHangerFS
      @SimHangerFS  ปีที่แล้ว

      @@KEITHGEE1000 select a monitor size to suit you. Recommend a minimum 120-144hz to get the best impact of the fps. Higher is better. 1440p or 4K. I’m a fan of LG and Asus.

    • @KEITHGEE1000
      @KEITHGEE1000 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@SimHangerFS many thanks!!!

  • @tarikb.2352
    @tarikb.2352 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi! Can you try with a triple 4K setup ? Thanks

  • @Mikinct
    @Mikinct ปีที่แล้ว

    Does or will msfs2020 support multithreading?
    Can you speculate the frame rate penalty when connecting this to a three 4k multi monitor setup?

  • @josvei4052
    @josvei4052 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm curious to see if DLSS can be used in conjunction with Foveated Rendering.

  • @TDiver-hy3st
    @TDiver-hy3st ปีที่แล้ว

    Hello Mark! I just acquired the same graphics card; Tuf Gaming RTX 4090OC. We have near-identical systems, with the exception being I have 64GB of RAM. I am "learning" the 4090 and am very curious as to what your Nvidia Control Panel settings are for MSFS. I could see & record the bottom half shown at the beginning of the video, but would love to see the others to use as a starting point. Do you perhaps have them posted somewhere (maybe a screenshot or two)? Completely understand no two systems will give identical results. Long time flight "simmer" (since MSFS 1.0 about 1983). Much appreciation for your consideration and all you contribute!!!!
    Best!
    Mike

    • @SimHangerFS
      @SimHangerFS  ปีที่แล้ว

      See this video…if I remember they are shown about halfway through. th-cam.com/video/u41yLOfYbsU/w-d-xo.html

    • @TDiver-hy3st
      @TDiver-hy3st ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thank you very much!!

    • @TDiver-hy3st
      @TDiver-hy3st ปีที่แล้ว

      Applied your settings and now averaging 97 FPS in PMDG 737!! 😉

  • @FSXNOOB
    @FSXNOOB 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I need this 2.. now first let me sell a kidney 😂

  • @weircottage
    @weircottage 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Excellently informative as always. Thanks. We need someone checking out cutting edge tech.

  • @brokenintel
    @brokenintel ปีที่แล้ว

    Can you help me? I just got the 4090FE and paired with my 5950x and can't get same FPS as you. My monitor is only 2560x1600.

  • @carstenu.459
    @carstenu.459 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    how comes i get a ctd, short afer launch of MSFS2020 when starting in DX12 ? DX11 is fine. I9-13900KF and Geforce 4090

    • @SimHangerFS
      @SimHangerFS  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      No idea. Suggest you clear your rolling cache and disable ant AI traffic addons and try that 👍

  • @hairsiluet
    @hairsiluet 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    It is TOTALLY AMAZING!!! 👏🏻👏🏻🤩 Thank you very much for this great comparison review! 🙏🏻💪🏻 👋🏻 Greetings from 🇪🇸 Spain.

    • @SimHangerFS
      @SimHangerFS  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Hola 😀

    • @hairsiluet
      @hairsiluet 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@SimHangerFS Hi 😉😁

  • @KOSTASFK1200
    @KOSTASFK1200 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm running the I9-13900K and I still have main thread limitation. I believe this has to do with the software instead of processor.

    • @SimHangerFS
      @SimHangerFS  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yes, MSFS is mainly single threaded, it’s the limitation of the program.

  • @mikewigley9807
    @mikewigley9807 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Not sure if the small MSFS update 1GB this week has anything to do with it, but i can see FPS in the 130-140's in developer mode now, obviously with DLSS 3 and Frame Gen on, i can't tell you how great it is to have the sim run so smooth with so muchhh detail, even rendering higher than 4k and downscaling still good FPS with TAA or even No AA looks fab!!

  • @streetphone4619
    @streetphone4619 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Got a new laptop with a 3070 Ti and gave DLSS a go. I've no idea how much it improved the fps because the G1000 became almost unreadable in VR. VERY blurry alt and airspeed numbers. So I switched back to TAA. I've yet to see a reviewer mention that.

    • @SimHangerFS
      @SimHangerFS  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It is a common issue on DLSS2

    • @streetphone4619
      @streetphone4619 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@SimHangerFS Thanks for the reply. I do like your videos and subscribed a while ago. You explain things in a very organized structured way whereas another very popular flight sim reviewer is, well he seems like a nice guy, but his style is more the rambling stream of consciousness type. I don't watch his videos very much.
      Regarding DLSS I was never hyped up for it but bought an Asus ROG Strix to triple CPU power and nearly double the GPU's. I don't regret it because, while there is still a slightly noticeable frame rate in VR while flying low and looking sideways, I am running in higher detail and the sim looks even better than it already did with a 1650 Ti. Usable DLSS would be icing on the cake.
      Actually today I will try sharpening the DLSS with Open XR Toolkit. I still use it for foviated rendering but maybe it will help with the blurriness.
      Cheers.