The Loyalists standing against Irish unity | Belfast on Eleventh and Twelfth July
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- Northern Ireland was invented 100 years ago with six of the nine counties of Ulster to ensure a Protestant unionist majority would rule the statelet forever, after 26 counties of Ireland gained home rule, and then independence from the British.
Today, Northern Ireland has a Catholic nationalist First Minister in Sinn Féin's Michelle O'Neill, and last week returned more nationalist MPs to Westminster than unionist for the first time since the creation of the state.
The weekend of the Twelfth of July has historically been seen as a display of Protestant supremacy in Northern Ireland, but now the celebrations feel different.
We went to Belfast to find out how the Protestant community feel about the changing landscape of their home.
Reporter: Seán Hickey
Camera: Peter Cooney
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Loyalist saying that they “respect others cultures” is one of the funniest thing I’ve ever heard
Changes education developing?
Aye they also are anti scottish in a country that is called scotland and even went against the natives of scotland like the many crimes they done to scottish people and all we want is our own scottish government actually for the people and stop english colonization
Does the wee Irishman need a talking to now?
Republicans, FF, FG, SF saying that they "respect others cultures" is the BIGGEST LIE IN HISTORY.
And they burning the Tri colour.
“Ireland wants our country” it was OUR country to begin with 🤯🤦♂️🇮🇪
We don't really want anything from them tbh. He danced around that question as to why the Irish flag was being burned 😂. I don't however think they have any business marching in the south whilst burning our flag.
These guys are incorrect. Articles 2 and 3 were removed from the Irish constitution long ago, so there is no territorial legal claim by ROI on NI. The choice is left to the people, by means of the border poll thanks to the GFA. That way GB can leave and say it wasn't our decision, you guys decided.
@@irishcountrygirl78 I've never heard of any of the marches in ROI burning flags. The ones in Donegal are all pretty dignified, the locals don't mind them and they just march away. I would have no problem with that.
@@irishcountrygirl78 The flag originates in France
@aengusryan5948 please don't be ignorant. It was irish one hundred years ago. Putting an arbitrary border on it does not change that fact. You want catholics to feel welcome don't have a bonfire burning our flag as native Irish, in one of the last colonies of the British empire. Kkkulture full of hate, disgusting
It wasnt the Republic or the EC who put the sea border in the Irish Sea, it was the Brexit the people of NI voted against.
GB sold out NI and frankly the Loyalists did it to themselves.
Well Said.
yes,well said.100% facts.
If you spend Sundays only reading the Old Testament it can damage your political senses.
They’re a group who have never been made to take accountability for anything they’ve ever done, genuine professional victims after their treatment of their neighbours for decades. All they do is expect and expect, and they’ve pushed the situation to the stage where it’s out of their control. A state set up to ensure they would always dominate and that Republicans would always be on their knees and they’ve still managed to make a mess of it, says it all really
Well no, it was Boris Johnson, here was no irish sea border imposed when we voted for brexit, then after it was brought in.
The British crown don’t give two fucks for Northern Ireland people.
They're sending in third world migrants to replace them.
@@irishrebel1798 I can’t confirm that is correct
There brain dead
The British crown don't give a fuck about anyone but themselves
Someone should tell them that the British people just think of them as Irish.
For those who aren't familiar
England= Mr Burns
Unionists=Mr Smithers
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amazing how close to truth it is
Mr Burns knows that Mr Smithers exists though
I think it’s really sad that there’s so many rangers tops 🤣🤣🤣 14. Odd mins in
They love the U.K. so much, but I'm from Northern Ireland and live in England and it's got to the point I just call myself Irish, because anytime I explain about how NI is part of the U.K. most of them don't even know about it. To NI loyalists, believe, the vast majoirty of the English public don't even know you exist, yet you kiss their feet.
@@CatSounds-u9f That is Good Because you are Also Classified as Irish in England and Everywhere Else in the World 🌎 So Are These British Loyalists Classified as Irish in England and Everywhere Else English Neighbors 👍 English Rulers 👎 Irish Reunification Peacefully Democratically 🙏🤞 Soon
Nobody is kissing their feet. All my mates wanted to see England lose against Spain and they're all protestant. I understand your perspective I studied in England and lived there for four years. I was supporting England during the world cup. But we do not kiss England's feet. We don't even like them half the time.
@@patrickcullinane7461space cadet
@@WalkingPaceWP Space Cadet that is your Counter Argument To Facts 🤔😢
@@WalkingPaceWP Don't Tell Your Fellow British Loyalist You are Irish in England They Will Not be Happy With you 😂😂😂😂😂
As an English guy who lives in South Belfast, I detest the 12th, I couldn't even take my four month old son out for a walk without being harassed and shouted at for not being "British", despite being actually from Britain haha. Its also utterly vile the fact that they celabrate this as "culture", when a I walked to the top of my road and could see 10 year olds so drunk they couldn't walk along with their equally drunk parents
😂😂😂😂😂 what a load of Pure shite
It unbelievably parochial isn’t it
@@ulsterscotsman6648get a life rangers boy
I'm also English and have lived in South Belfast for many years. When I first moved here for Uni back in the early 00s, the City was a ghost town by midday on the 11th July. I still remember, to this day, how Belfast just emptied in the space of about 30 mins. And then those huge bonfires and the sky turning black from burning rubber (they literally burned tyres on the bonnies back then). I've never had any trouble on the 12th itself, but I was once followed through Botanic Avenue on a late summer's night by a man calling me a "Fenian bitch". He was standing behind me in the queue for the 24 Hour Spar on Botanic and must have heard my Scouse accent and realised I'm English or whatever. But he still clearly decided I was a Fenian bitch and wanted to make sure I knew, I guess. Weird.
@@justhannah3960 Sounds all too believable.
"Cultures" wtf does that even mean. They are celebrating a Dutch guy, winning for Scottish people against Catholics. It is nothing to do with culture.
For Scottish people?
You just described the history of a cultural event, good job. Now go learn what culture is.
@@LurganGoon91 the protestant community in northern ireland is largely descended from scottish planters who were sent over in the 17th century to settle land confiscated from local chiefs who rebelled and to maintain a population loyal to the english and scottish crown.
The culture of hatred
& the Dutch guy was funded by the Pope......:)
I was talking to two German guys who came over to Dublin for a wedding. They decided to make a week-long trip out of it and go all over the island. They heard there was a big cultural festival on and decided to go along. When there, they asked what the festival was about and were told "if you don't know, you shouldn't fucking be here" and were chased off.
But ya, it's definitely a great tourist attraction 😂😂
😂😂😂 Pure Shite
Local tourists only 😀
You'd believe anything lol or just post lies
Germans are always been pro irish.......since the Kaiser supported the easter rising....there were a lot of german IRA sympathizers in the 70s and 80s.......germans are obsest with everything irish
Bullshit
Just a matter of time till Ireland is united.
lmao the loyalists are still anti Irish, surprise surprise
Victory for Muhammad
The English wish they were rid of the Loyalists, they are nothing but Free-Loaders, and trouble-makers collecting the dole, paid by Hard Working English Taxpayers.
well the IRA spent 40 years murdering them so I dont think that helped in the long run ?
Loyalists love England... but England want nothing to do with them
@@eph511 Northern Irish Loyalists are simply seen as expendable 'assets' to the Westminster cabal. It was, at least in the past, useful to have a Pro British presence in the 6 Counties that comprise Northern Ireland, but now that that need has effectively been exhausted, Northern Irish Unionists will simply be discarded, like yesterdays old newspapers !
I do honestly think that Unionists need to wake up and smell the coffee - Westminster has no further use for them and so they may eventually come to realise how the English (in the main), treated the indigenous Catholics of the island of Ireland, and hopefully reappraise their relationship with Westminster. From my own point of view, it's very much a toxic, one sided affair, and as with an actual male/female relationship that isn't working out, it's probably for the best if Northern Ireland and Westminster went their seperate ways. In the long run, I think that will eventually happen.
Republicans love RoI Yet the RoI Gov are happily replacing their own people?
@@cjgaeilge4350 Tenner bet you still haven't worked out the Refugee Convention we signed up to after WW2 is the problem.
What does England have to do with anything, yank?
Like a guy who can't get over the girl who dumped him years ago.
There have been hundreds of years of plantation bigotry. Now, it's supposed to be a legitimate Unionist cultural voice. Festivals and funfairs etc. You must be joking. The discrimination, hatred, bigotry and prejudice has to be answered for...
The irony is that the victory of the Battle of the Boyne was celebrated in the Vatican as the Pope supported the Anti-French Alliance led by William of Orange.
The irony is the battle of the boyne was a stalemate
Unionists and prods fled right after the catholics
Even Billy nearly died and was injured
They celebrate a stalemate.
And Dutch king Williams army got defeated in limerick in August of that year.
Other fun fact: the Battle of the Boyne did not take place in what is today Northern Ireland.
so Catholics should celebrate it too and not be so bitter
@@peterbolton6193 really? I never knew that
As a British person, i don't undertand this hardcore simpery for a government systen that willingly oppresses them. Just look at how the Tories made soldiers innocent of any crimes committed in NI. It's disgusting as shit.
Ever see Braveheart?
Remember the "nest of scheming bastards"?...who couldn't agree on the colour i' shite?
That's where unionists come from....
well said
Not sure where you got that from ... Unionists can't stand the UK Government!
"as a british person" sod off with that american speak, disgusting sod.
I assume Northern Ireland Unionist people just want to retain there proud heritage,there strong sense of identity.There effort and valour in two World Wars is reason alone for them to keep there freedom from green oppression.As for the movie "Bravewank",well it was just that.
An Orangeman is an Irishman who thinks he is an Englishman.....
They don't think they are English. They identify as British and Northern Irish and in some cases even British and Irish. Half my family are Northern Irish Protestants and none consider themselves English and would find that ridiculous.
@@andrewdevine6333funny how only Northern Irish and English people call themselves “British”.
Many descend from Scots, in particular the Scottish presbyters.
@@andrewdevine6333 I should complete the rhyme I began in my comment earlier...
An Orangeman is an Irish man who thinks he is an Englishman, dresses like a Scotsman to honour a Dutchman who fought a war funded by an Italian Roman Catholic Pope.
The Orangeman voted to leave the EU but accidentally united Ireland and now blames others for losing his heritage.
@@ceemmm3526large swathes of Scots, Welsh & even a small minority in the Rep.of Ireland see themselves as being culturally British and it not being incompatible with their also being Scottish, Welsh or Irish.
Baffles me they're saying that Ireland wants their country but dont see that the GB took that country from Ireland lol
But they were born there and their families have been there for hundreds of years, you can't change the past
They don't have a country.
GB? Didn’t a Dutch king defeat a catholic king on his way to invade England?
@@coner4675 No it was after the so called friendly invasion of England.
@@Steven-kr2ti They do have a country and roots, its from the borders of England and Scotland when James Stuart moved them there and threw the natives out.
“ the bunfire” yeh I bet thousands of catholics took him up on his offer 😂😂😂
At least he doesn’t have trickler on his bunfire
@@davidobrien8313 😂😂😂
Yeah "bunfire" WTF?
If they want to be British. Then they should go to Britain and be British. What are they doing in Ireland?
Ulster is in the British isles and is therefore british 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧.
They did not have a choice, they are here due to English policies to clear Scottish lands of their people
The British want to continue to rule ireland, send the crown packing. Ireland is Ireland rule yourselves. Totus Tuus
@@samca4472 Spoken like a true colonizer. The protestants are Scottish and northern English settlers, brought over to settle troublesome Ulster to quell the frequent rebellions.
Ireland is an Isle. Everyone can see that northern Ireland is just that. The north part of that Isle Ireland. Don't even try to claim otherwise
I am not Irish.
They call them the British isles for a reason Ireland is just one part of our combined British isles@@POLITICUS-DANICUS
‘The bonfire is a tourist attraction’ Lmaoooooooo
We went up for a visit (Irish Catholic) purely just to see the absolute mutants about the place. I’m glad we have actual culture instead of blasting lines round a big fire
The one in Larne actually is a tourist attraction. You'll see celtic and rangers jerseys and a lot of diversity. They don't play sectarian songs, or fly flags. It's a party, with rides and headline djs. They're really trying. Look them up. Craigyhill.
@@sethroganlegend not in the N.ireland tourist information Centre 😂🇮🇪
Orangemen burning a flag that contains the colour that represents them. What an absolute bunch of doughnuts!
The St Patrick’s saltire was added to the Union Jack in 1801 to represent Ireland, the context has changed since then, it’s no surprise Irish people don’t feel represented by that, I don’t think it’s difficult to see why Loyalists also wouldn’t feel represented by the flag flown by the IRA
the irish flag does not represent ulster you fool
And then say its not about hate😂
It's actually Gold, not Orange in the Tricolour. But good point.
@climbtherainbow it's not it's orange as was intended to represent protestants
A united ireland was always going to be the cost of Brexit. The brexiteers all know that !
I would argue brexit made a UI more trouble than it's worth. Now NI decides not only whether it wants to join the Republic but also whether it wants to be a full EU member
Agreed, the Tories said so themselves.
Its not certain it will happen at all let alone because of brexit
@@VectorTrackerNI didn’t vote to leave the eu in the first place.
@@thegolem797 true, as a whole it didn’t but there was no country lock voting system so we all left.
‘Bone’fires of positivity wasn’t on my loyalist bingo card
I actually thought it was cool he says bonfire like that, cause in Irish it's tine chnámh - literally "bone fire"
@@alishastokes3990 I guess what I meant was Bonfires of any kind throughout the world have usually been associated with some kind of negative or intimidatory statement.
Shaun (or Sean) this was seriously impressive and brave journalism.
It's Seán! Sorry.
@02june80yeah my bad. I even got my correction wrong.
Agreed
The national flag of ireland represents the IRA but the UVF paramilitary flags just represent commemeration. Ok damie biyson if you say so. Your credibility has gone for zero to minus figures.
The National flag of Ireland represents the Catholic & the Protestants living together in peace. Let's not forget that the Nationalist movement was started by 2 Protestants. If you believe in a REAL DEMOCRACY then you have to admit that the Protestants are a minority & that one day the majority will have its say. The Protestant power structure seem to want to go back to how it was, them in power treating the Catholics like 2nd class citizens. Why don't you want to get along to make a better future. I grew up hearing both sides of the story. I'm first gen my parents our from both sides. My father was from Limerick City & I have fam from Galway & Dublin. My Mothers side are from Cooks Town in the north. I heard the hatred my Nan had for "Finnian Bastards" or my Grandad who was a member of the IRB & fought in the war slating the English. I wasn't christened because of it! Originally it had very little to do with religion it was a power grab plain & simple. King William wouldn't of won if it wasn't for the Pope backing him with money & troops. He wasn't even English FFS! It the poor that paid the price. There need to be a new peace treaty that starts from the bottom up with the treaty at the moment its from the top down. What ever the religion we all should be treated equal. Pinening for a unequal past won't solve anything, if one day a majority of ppl vote for unification then so be it, that's democracy. Think about what's good for the ppl & country not a narrow minded ideaoligy! Tiocfaidh ár lá My friend!
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It doesn't represent the IRA.
Perception matters more. You can tell me it represents the IRA and you'd be probably telling me the truth, but when I look at that my first thought is "it's the Irish flag, they're burning the Irish flag". And it's not like I'm on either side, I'm not British, I'm not Catholic or Protestant. My perception is unionists are the ones who still promote conflict and hate over there, similar to those US rednecks who want another go at the Civil War, who still can't get over the fact they lost 160 years ago or that they were fighting in the name of slavery. Some things are better left in the past for healing to occur.
It doesn't represent the IRA nothing to do with the IRA ,it was created a long time before the IRA and has been the flag of a sovereign irish nation since 1921
One of the stupidest comments I've ever seen. The green represents catholics, the orange represents protestants, and the white represents the peace between them.
I dont know why unionists think they will be demonised and marginalised in a united Ireland. I'm a dual national with a mixed accent, and I've never felt unwelcome or unsafe. They stir themselves into a frenzy over nothing. The Irish state would do a hell of a lot more for Northern Ireland than The UK ever would.
P.S. The Irish tricolour fundamentally represents the peaceful Union of Catholicism and Protestantism.
They were born and bred in a cultural supremacy where they believed themselves better than others ...they have great disdain for the native Irish people who they have looked down on for generations.
Really? You think the Irish Government will subsidise NI to the tune of £9 Billion a year like England does now? I seriously doubt it.
@@filmsandtv5193
There is this thing called the E. U. that has a GDP of 22 Trillion that would provide funds to tansition N.I. from a basket case subsidised economy to a productive sustainable one....kinda like they did with R.O.I....Also Britainwould have to pay to get rid of N.I.( they will be secretly happy to do that as a 10 billion strain on their economy will ultimatly go.)
Surley you would have bigger ambitions for N.I. than to remain a subsidised backwater....
@filmsandtv5193 The EU would provide an enormous amount of funding, and the UK would almost certainly provide funding for a number of years.
P.S. I wasn't just alluding to finances in my original post. NI is considered a backwater or footnote in the UK. In my experience, most English people have not been to Ireland, and of those who have, an overwhelming majority have only been to the Republic. The majority of British people know nothing about Northern Ireland except from a cursory understanding of the Troubles and a few stereotypes. Britain has nothing to offer NI except finance.
@@filmsandtv5193Ireland and the EU would foot the bill.
It's more like 5 bil.
Bryson what a clown not even a politician 😅
Jamie Biryani he was in the cells and said he was starting a hunger strike a few hours later he sent out for an Indian.
As a Unionist I must agree. The man has never breached 167 votes in any election, and yet he is given a major platform to represent us
@@jackpirie7382😂😂😂
Is he an example of a gobshite, by any chance?
@@jackpirie7382 Wee Bin Boy Jamie is a clown. He throws out a few fancy words every now and again and the Loyalists think it makes him a Professor. lol
It’s coming home, it’s coming home, Northern Ireland is Coming home, God Bless Ireland 🇮🇪
I'd question if getting it back would be worth it at this point. It's like getting a book back and finding the lad you loaned it to wiped his arse on every page.
Chrisum
@@RobertFletcherOBEif either party think that they are joining the land of milk and honey, all the industry has been stripped out of Northern Ireland and the Republic's serfs have an impossible taxation system. Also both countries civil service is top heavy and will need to hastily reorganised. Wait until the Northern population hear about this concept called "Tax" and "international obligations". Fun times ahead.
It’s funny how people shout free Palestine but have no ill feeling about Ireland being occupied by Britain for 800 years.
It's because they can't understand that other "westerners"/ Europeans can and have been oppressed
Have you not been to The Republic of Munster it never fell
Have you been sleeping my guy?
Lots of people are aware and support a free and United ireland
What's funny is, the original invasion was by William the Bastard, the man whose army beat King Harold at Battle. William was a Norman, the Norse who settled in France & who Normandy was named after. So it was actually a Norman, French King, who had invaded England, who invaded Ireland. The Normans ruled England for over 300 years, followed by the Plantagenetes, led by the Dutch, which led to various wars until the mid 1400's. In the midst of the previous and following years, there were a number of attempts to kill the King, which (surprisingly for the time -sarcasm-) were dealt with harshly. The following half century wasn't exactly easy for most people. I wish people bearing grudges would investigate WHO, EXACTLY, was responsible. But it's too easy to whine.
It must be weird being part of a nation where you listen to the radio, watch the TV, read all the papers & magazines and observe the country chugging along having a laugh here and there with the small print which always always says “excluding Northern Ireland”
Like being invited to a party but you can only watch through a big window from the back of the garden.
I’ve always noticed that and wondered which companies etc include Northern Ireland. The only time I’ve seen it is with a separate phone number etc.
Give Ireland back to the Irish🇮🇪
Clover hat
People should bone up on the history of the 6 Counties of Northern Ireland. It became a Protestant stronghold during an era known as the Ulster Plantation, where both English and Scottish people were 'imported' to that area, to establish a pro British presence, whilst the indigenous Catholic population effectively got side lined and treated as second class citizens.
The decendants of those original settlers, all Protestant, have been loyal (hence the term 'Loyalists'), to the British Crown for hundreds of years but still the English use the Protestants as a Political football, even using their vote to ensure a Conservative Government once again reigned in the Houses of Parliament. But still they get treated with disdain and are even considered an embarrassment by the British Political Establishment. That's all the thanks they get for supporting the British Crown all these years - they're essentially considered a nusience and as such, are effectively expendable !
All Conservatives despise the poor and stupid who vote for them.
@@jamesbarbour8400 and your point is?????it's a failed state get over it.
@@jamesbarbour8400 excellent explanation
@@thegolem797 vote sinn fein u would be treated better ffs
@@garymcgahan9089 I live in Scotland, so vote SNP - but if I was back in Ireland I’d certainly be voting Sinn Fein
As an Irishman and Nationalist living abroad, ive spent the last week watching a 7 part series called The Troubles a secret history, to try and show my French partner how the troubles began and what happened. Despite the fact I know the history, watching it is always sobering, we never want to go back to those times. Even though i dont see the bonfires or the 12th in a good light, I at least respect the fact that some loyalist communties are attempting to make things a bit more civil. Certainly better than the alternative.
@02june80 Mar an gcéanna le Meiriceá. Mar an gcéanna leis na Francaigh. Is poblachtaigh muid.
The absolute sectarianism on display on Joe's posts and videos are horrendous and people not even realising they are engaging in the problem and happy to add more hate in top of hate. The "this is typical of all prods" type comments are indeed themselves sectarian. Bryson and is ilk as an embarrassment and are doing orcs work, but he does not represent anything beyond a certain stripe of loyalism. Even in the orange order there's people opposed to the nature of the bonfires, who don't want to go where they're not wanted. I see on insta a lot of English left leaning types engaging in the type of language that for years fuelled conflict. With zero self awareness.
I'm from Sydney Australia, have lived in Northern Ireland for over 10 years and I feel 10 times safer in this country than I do back home. It's a paradox that given the recent history of this country how safe and civil people are over here. There is a real sense of community, the people are very polite and want to avoid any conflict. That being said, I do think it will eventually be a united Ireland. Once there is going to be a vote it will be united. Hopefully that will be a slow process and will be done in many stages.
@@ethiopiandancinggoatherder7894 Lets hope not, I don't believe the majority of people living in the Republic want a United Ireland, the financial cost alone would be crippling, just ask the Germans. If you think the 'Troubles' were bad just until you see the fury of the hard-line Unionists being forced to join the Papist Fenians
@02june80violence is awful,you have no right to murder and kill. No wonder the unionist community is fearful and tense
I could go on and on (I will not) however I will explain this ... Here is what The Irish Tricolor represents Green for the Celtic Irish White for peace and Orange recognizing the Protestant minority ... that flag is supposed to Unite Alll
That was d plan
@@dmdm5339 Do you realise how you contradicted yourself with that comment? lol
What a load of pish
@@merseydave1 You have to go back paddy
@@fyrdman2185 I am an English Scouser!
The English establishment couldn't give a toss about NI. Unlike Scotland, Northern Ireland has nothing to offer them.
Exactly! They are more of a pain in the ass but from everything my Irish friends tell me, even if they got off their high horses and admitted this, reunification would not be easy in terms of changing over all the systems and dealing with the staunch unionists. There is obviously a growing number of people in NI who want reunification immediately. Perhaps in the near future, there will be a vote. I have been to Ireland a few times including the North. It was an interesting vibe i.e. Irish but not really as Irish as the ROI.
What do you imagine Scotland has to offer?
@@captainchaos3053Fuc& all either
Q. Have you never been to the Mountains of Mourne, Belfast, Eniskillen or the Giants Causeway? North America survives WITHOUT USA DEMANDING THAT THE OWN CANADA. Ireland IS TWO (2) Nations BUT One Nation cannot accept FREEDOM for the other. that is the problem that the Republic of Ireland REFUSES to accept.
@@captainchaos3053 85% of the uk's gas and oil worth trillions. £4.3b whisky industry, 90% of uk's fresh water, 61% of uk's timber production, 67% of uk's fish landings 25% of Europe's wind and tidal energy.
I imagine that's plenty to offer...
What I love about these guys is just how old fashioned and delusional they are. They used to control the narrative and run the show in Northern Ireland and now they're dying out. They make for a miserable place to live though, I can swear on it.
Does sinn fein live in the past ???
@@markyinbelfastxx9088 Hello Marky in Belfast, hope you're well today.
@@sayno2lolzisback am indeed
They are loyal to one thing only, remaining stubbornly ignorant
If only they were all as enlightened as you obviously are.
Must suck knowing you live in the UK and not Ireland
@@bladerunner9129when you’re born British you’ve won the lottery of life, when you’re born Irish you start looking for jobs in the UK
@@Rubionion it used to be like that, but I can actually see that changing quite rapidly. Ireland is actually developing economically whereas the U.K. is in constant decline, particularly since Brexit and Covid etc.
@@Rubionion Ireland is booming, Britain is sinking!!
"whether it be Irish" big of them inviting irish people in Ireland
The irony is lost on them😂
? Please explain.
@@captainchaos3053 Northern Ireland was neved a "country" prior to 1921 when it's borders were drasn to create a Loyalist, British Colonist majority within it's borders.
It's just a piece of Ireland partitioned fron the rest because it was settled by the British. Calling the Irish "tourists" in their own stolen land is laughable.
@vonbeedle554 You need to do some research. The island of Ireland was all part of the United Kingdom prior to the departition. Its not that Northern Ireland was stolen away but that the republic chose to leave. The unionist colony of which you speak was by consent. Typical republicans you get what you wished for but you don't like what you got.
@@captainchaos3053 By consent? Consent of whom? The wholly democratic parliament in Dublin? Whose goal was not at all to disenfranchise the native Gaelic and Catholic population?
There was absolutely no consent. The plantation was implemented immediately after a failed rebellion against unwanted, frustrated British rule.
Ireland as a whole voted massively in favour of Sinn Féin in 1918. We had every right to leave a Union we never signed up for.
Some neanderthals in this video.
Some neanderthal comments
What have Neanderthals ever done to you that you would blacken their name like that.
Well said . Thank you as I got one per cent Neanderthal DNA in me.@@filmsandtv5193
The part that I don't get is they burn the tri-colour, even though part of the tri-colour represents the orange order of Northern Ireland.
The state of education in the UK is beyond help.
The orange represents protestantism, but your point is understandable
And the St Patricks cross in the Union Jack which represents the whole of Ireland , so by that logic the Irish should embrace it 😂
@@kevinsmarts9953 Brainlet
@@pevebe Its a saltire, crosses look like a plus sign
They seem like a real progressive, forward looking and cheery bunch
They know what they are against but do they know what they stand for.
They’re either morbidly obese or anorexic. No inbetween
Its called Northern IRELAND. Not north UK or North England. Westminister does'nt even care about the unionists. They call them IRISH LOL
Is that the sum total of loyalist culture? Burning things and marching?
Bob- organizer of Craigyhill pyre: “we see it as a tourism attraction.” As someone from a Roman Catholic family of continental Western Europe, no way I’d waste my time or € attending such a ridiculous spectacle. I’d rather spend my vacation in Dublin, Ireland.
You can bet he's looking for funding from the NI Tourist Board.
Bitter as fk 🇮🇪
Yet you feel the need to display the Irish tricolour?
@@geordiewishart1683is he not allowed to post the flag of his country? You seem scared/triggered?
@@geordiewishart1683notice how the tricolour has green and orange meeting with a peaceful white centre. Nothing wrong with that!
@@geordiewishart1683What's wrong with that?
@@geordiewishart1683 Why not? Best flag in the world kid
Saying this as someone who has family from Antrim but the quality of life in the republic far outstrips the North. The Republic is a major place of investment and industry.
I worked in the republic for several years, after escaping a grim northern town with zero opportunities and prospects in England. I noticed that the republic was much more prosperous and life was much better. Only thing that was a pain was having to pay to see a doctor, but I think I only went twice in 6 years.
However, I think you're going to find that the standard of living will drop substantially in the republic over the coming decade, just as in the rest of the EU. The money is running out, and although Ireland is fantastic as a corporate tax haven there are much better countries out there vying for business (sadly).
@@klawlor3659How is the money running out? ROI has been announcing bumper corporation tax receipts for years on end, swelling the national budgets if anything.
being an offshore corporate tax haven has its benefits
I once did an analysis on the income taxes on my current wage based on the Irish system. I was £1500 worse of per year based on £50000 wage. If I worked for 49 years (18-67) I would be £73500 worse off, adjusting for inflation at 3% per annum the figure would be £162810. Are we to be compensated?
The uk state pension is currently paying £10 per week more than the irish pension.
Im not even going to go down the route of house price affordability, the lack of housing etc
Nor am I going to bring in the cost of goods.
Apart from the big party which will be over in a weekend, can someone tell me why I would want to be poorer for the sake of a united Ireland?
@@gege4707 Being an offshore tax haven, you mean London, as for income you get a lot more wages in the Rep of Ireland as all your doctors and nurses have found out......... hoping that corporate tax will come to an end in Ireland without realising it would also end for G.B.....Yes don't talk about goods ....... they have been cheaper in Rep of Ireland since Brexit, By the way, Subject N.I. is one of the poorest places in Europe.....Ireland is one of the richest., its why Ireland has a Housing shortage people want to live there.
the irony of descendants of british “illegal immigrants” not accepting the culture and customs of ireland! 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Education. Education. Education. Kids need to be educated together instead of small towns having multiple primary schools and multiple secondary schools all because they’re serving one side of the community or the other. Eoin Tennyson is spot on: the ghettoisation of working class communities in NI means things will never change. How could they when a child born in either a loyalist or nationalist working class council estate may never meet someone from another faith until they’re in Post18 education or employment?!
The brain drain in NI is real because those of us who got out realised that going back to that time warp probably wasn’t ideal for our career prospects or indeed for bringing up kids.
The “loyalists” need to have a long hard think about what they’re “loyal” to, because no-one in rUK classes them as fellow citizens. Everyone from the island of Ireland is Irish - funny that!
Took me about 2 minutes to understand what a "tricular" was 😂😂😂. Tri-colour lad 🇮🇪
I thought I was the only one LOL
@@ThePumpkinhead13 not sure we want to be united with NI in its entirety 😂
He was talking about the fleg 😂
Took me a few minutes to realise that wasn't the Ivory Coast flag
Bitterness runs that deep, they won't say the name properly, heard it before
Why does the presenter refer to the North as Ulster. Maybe he should explore Donegal, Monaghan and Cavan.
He is like most of the people posting on this board, who post without checking any facts, using their assumptions and personal views as the basis for their supposed arguments
@@gege4707 but he sounds like he is from the South. That’s why I’m asking and slightly perplexed.
And they still refer to the republic as the "free state".
I heard someone compare northern Ireland as similar to the trans debate. Northern Ireland is physically part of Ireland but self identifies as British.
😂😂😂
Their wives look Trans so I see the connection 😂😂😂😂
That is the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard.
@@rtleesonwhy what part of it isnt true
It's generally accepted that Trans people exist - there is nothing to debate.
35 year old Englishman here. It's shameful I don't know more of this history. Thanks.
Also, just always really impressed with your journalism at Joe. You are often a cut above mainstream media outlets, and this is a prime example.
Joe is an Irish Catholic bigot.
He is an anti-British Irishman.
The fastest growing group in NI are the people who say they have no religion. Just thought this might be relevant to remark about here.
Like the majority of the UK. The protastant faith is just disappearing
Non of this has anything to do with religion. It's about the Irish & people from the North who claim to be British.
Religion is the side tracking in all of this.
@@kevinbarry1888 Genetically there is little difference between the two cultures so I think its niave to say it has nothing to do with religion. Religion is precisely what divides the two groups - it doesn't matter if any of them are actually faithful.
Ye, but they are still Nationalists and Unionists with no religion.
@@bmoney3616Religion is a factor but it's not the 'main event'. It was not & is not solely a religious conflict. More one of a clash of political identities. There have been protestants who were Nationalists, even some who were members of the IRA, likewise there were Catholics who were members of the RUC / Security services.
“….The past is contested, the present is contested”. Sums up the reason you see Israeli flags fly beside the Union Jack up there.
the weirdest thing is that it seems now that sein fein is more popular in northern Ireland than in the republic.
They were doing really well until Harris pulled up his socks a bit. I would have voted SF but it looks as though FG are at least trying to be proactive despite what you see in the news. He's won back a fair few young voters. The solution to the housing crisis is really what will decide who gets in and SF plans are all a bit too theoretical for people to bank on.
Oh that´s been true for ages.
Sinn Fein has never been popular in the Republic, the majority of Sinn Fein voters are people who like to talk about how they'd fight England to the end but their pint just got there.
@joeavreg2254 polls have shown they were leading in popularity until recently. They have been gaining year on year. They put in the time and effort with young voters because the other parties hardly gave a shit about them. Until now, of course, when everyone wants their vote all of a sudden.
I have some friends from Dundalk who say that Sinn Fein is a considered part of terrorist organization regardless of what they say.
Mainland Britain doesn't want them. Ireland doesn't want them... I almost feel sorry for them... Then I remember hkw awful they are.
Ireland doesnt want the northerners if it going to cost them higher taxes
I love the scot who said that unity will happen eventually, that the Irish will have to get used to the traditions of the unionists and that we will live "under one roof". As an Irish Republican, I completely agree, the only way we become one is to embrace our loyalist cousins as our countrymen. let the north breath
Don’t think anyone can really have a problem with any of that once reunification happens. At that point they’re Irish and unionism becomes, bizarrely, an Irish subculture - so of course fund them and let them have their parades, bands and lodges. Just not sure if those things will have the same appeal for younger people in their communities once the “sticking it to the Taigs” aspect has been diluted by reunification.
Unionists would be welcomed and fully respected in a united Ireland, unlike the way they treated nationalists in the north.
I didn't know that Zimbabweans and the Chinese thought the North of Ireland was lovely this time of year🤔
Lots of ex planters in Zimbabwe (Rhodesia) are orange.
Zimbabwe Loyal Rangers Supporters club were there apparently 😂
Everyone born on the Island of Ireland is classed as Irish in England and Everywhere else too, No matter what passport a person has .......
I’m Irish but I respect the unionists for wanting to protect their culture
Ali G to Wee Sammy Wilson
"What's this RIC, isn't it direspectful to diss the breakdown service"
"No, that's the RAC"
"Ok so yoz want to be British, so yuv here on holiday" 😅😅😅😅😅
This is like an episode of little Britain
The anti immigration fires and rhetoric in Coolock?
@@gege4707 no the comic gold that is the unionist
@@Powertoyah32 I wouldnt disagree with you there but then you lot have Michelle ONeil and Mary Lou as the cream of the nationalist crop.
@@gege4707 rather have them instead of Jeffery Donaldson 🤪
Many years I stopped at what I thought was a football club to ask directions.I am a Dubliner,my car had Dublin plates.Turned out it was an orange meeting hall.Three gentlemen came out,kindly wrote down directions.This was early 90s.
Thanks for saying something similar. 90% of people are kind at heart.
I'm Irish and don't know what a trickler is and I am too afraid to ask
Three colours who go out to trick or treat? on the 31st October every year.
Tricolour
He's saying "tricolour"
@@laylaruanyeh we know lol
I wondered too
All this sectarianism is hypocritical as many of them work in or attend university in the Republic
They all marched on the 12th singing their secterian bigioted songs.
The next day they drive down to Dublin Airport with their Irish /European Union passports for the sun on the Costas and cheap beer.
You do know British passport holders can travel to Spain as well don't you?
@@southofthemersey7351 I do indeed, but not as easily.
That is why Unionists in N Ireland have applied for Irish /European Union passports. Malaga Airport has a separate queue for passport control for British people and other non European Union passport holders.
@@williampatrickfagan7590 but it's the same as it was pre Brexit bar a stamp in a passport. If anything I've found it quicker when going through passport control when I've visited the EU as the non EU queues have been smaller. Having an EU passport would be handy for longer term trips or working, sure. But a 2 week holiday? Makes no difference.
None of these people have Irish passports. No idea what sort of fantasy world you live in but it reads like you’ve never set foot in NI.
@@jrton1366 There are more than 1 million Irish passports issued in N Ireland.
Nationalists number around 600,000.
Just give Ireland back ro them...britain doesnt want it
Nah there are British people living there so British people in the mainland must support them against the paddys
Imagine jamie bryson being your spokesperson. This fact alone tells me the plight of unionism.this young man doesnt know his nose from the end of his face.
In fairness, he got 167 votes when he ran for election. He's the spokesperson for nobody but himself.
He's an absolute clown 🤣🤣🤣
Always thought it was so weird how wedded to the union they are. Do they not get that the rest of the UK barely knows they exist, let alone care about them?
Of course the boy there had a Rangers top on there.
Everyone in the UK knows northern ireland exists. It's like saying north dakota should separate from the US because it's not that relavant to the lives of people in hawaii.
@@declanstewart5690they know you exist but don’t want you to
All Coloniser cultures are like that, they need this imagined belief there is a home country that is thinking fondly of them every day. You should read about Australia in the latter half of the last century as described by English (and vice versa) people, they were considered freaks for how obsessed they were about the flag and the anthem by the English and the Aussies were apoplectic about the lack of patriotism. Colonisers can't survive their own situation without an absolute certainty they are superior to all other people with magical sperm they have to protect from the rest of the world. If they don't then they just stop with their bullshit fake culture and act like normal human beings.
You could say the same about Nationalists.,
@@mildlydispleased3221 It's weird to not want a foreign power to rule your life when that power is explicitly adversarial to you and your nation?
😂 the guy marching says people hold on to the past, what an idiot
someone's an 'idiot' for stating a simple truth about the vast majority of people everywhere! Says a lot about you and nothing much about him....
@@Richard_L_Y do u understand the irony of his statement?
Do you hold on to the past?
@@Shiri-Rast do u?
@@Zoltan1412 The past holds on to me.
Unity is everything for me as a German! 🇩🇪🤗
As I am Irishman. I take back any claim back. Lets just get together as a people against the elits.
I still think its disgraceful they burn the Tri colour 🇮🇪 we dont burn that horrible butchers apron of a union Jack on St Paddys day.
Waste of good Pallets 🤦♂️
Saint Patrick was British.
Your all about peace and safety for the women and children right?
@@Shiri-Rast The Celtic Britons are unrelated to the modern British identity pioneered by Anglo-Normans.
It's like claiming King Arthur and Boudicca would be waving Union Jacks if they woke up nowadays.
@@vonbeedle554 Are plankton related to you?
@@Shiri-Rast Can you hold an honest conversation?
The funniest part of it all is, Protestant areas had millions of signs and flags for Brexit saying “vote leave”. Then Britain left the EU and left them behind. Now their not happy.
Carful what you wish for 😂
Dee " do ya know what a mean " Stitt 🤣🤣🤣
A pillar of his working class community with his Turkey teeth and lavish lifestyle. He must earn a lot of money as a “community worker”!🙄
I do think the Catholic community were very wrongly treated in the past, and I´m not against reunification, there is a decent case for it. In NI, I would probably be a "swing voter" on that one.
What I do hate is the lack of respect some people have for each other, and yes a lot of protestants have a lack of respect for the Catholics, i.e I remember a DUP minister mocking the Gaelic language in parliament. But you get it on the other side too, you get Catholics who say "Ulster Scots isn´t a language" and seem to think the protestants have no place in NI.
To be clear, I think the bigotry is worse on the Protestant side, after all, there was an apartheid state, but it does exist on the Catholic side too. People need to remember that the orange in the Irish tricolour is to represent the Protestants. Indeed, people who want Irish reunification should highlight that the protestants have nothing to fear about at all, the Church of Ireland is fully operational in the South, the Protestants in the Republic have their own schools, churches etc, they literally have nothing to fear whatsoever.
Ulster scots isnt a language though lol
Dialect of a dialect. Northern Protestants keep talking about wanting to change the Irish flag. Why not just green and white?
@@ardri31 It is as much as Scots, spoken in Scotland is. It's got its own grammar, its own phonology and lexicon.
Very few people still speak broad Scots in Ulster now. Only very old people in rural areas but it is a language and stupid bigoted comments like yours are exactly what I was talking about.
Your right about the disrespect and bigotry...and here is where it comes from...the Unionists for generations were brought up in a cultural and religious supremacy and thought of the native Catholics as lower and apart and have genuine disdain for them...and they kept them in their place thru violence and intimidation...the Twelfth being a waning reminder of this naked Bigotry....not that many years ago it would have been a day of drunken pogrom violence against catholics...with many roads closed and communities movements restricted for days...a day of intimidation..
The natioalist bigotry is a reaction to generations of torment by this elite....
But i think both sides are coming along.
Ulster Scots is not a language it is a dialet . The Scottish have their own Gaelic language which is very very similar to Irish!
Move to England and leave the Proper Irish alone!! Alba Gu Brath / Erin Go Bragh
As long as the Irish get out of Britain.
Celebrating these things from 100s of years ago to this extent is like putting "co-class captain of my class whilst in primary school 1st year" on your CV when you're in your 50s.
Pretty hard for the loyalists to finally realise that a united Ireland is inevitable! ☘️
Why couldn't the Republic afford Northern Ireland - don't they pay taxes in Northern Ireland?
Because the living standard differences between the north and republic are vast. The Republic of Ireland has one of the highest GDP’s per capita in the world - its rich. Northern Ireland is the poorest region of the uk - by some distance (although parts of wales and north east England are very deprived as well). A unified Ireland would likely result in a decline in public spending availability- certainly for a decade or two - in the republic, but would quite rapidly improve the north of Ireland in as short as 5 years.
@@hmu05366 That argument doesn't consider that RoI has a high work force demand and immigration to fill those jobs. A united Ireland would match jobs in the south to workers in the north and appease those worried about immigration (in the short to medium term at least). The economic offset wouldn't be as severe as some models have suggested when compared to those that take these factors into account.
Ask the republic if they want Northern Ireland, he answer will be a big NO
@@Mary-lx3zsI very much doubt that
@@hmu05366 Highest GDP per capita!
Thats as a result of corporation tax receipts. Strip them out and ireland is a basket case with virtually no industry of its own. No natural resources etc
Love your as simple as fook outlook on how well the North will do after 5 years.
Have you ever actually done a cost breakdown and impact of how switching from the UK to Ireland would cost or benefit the Northerners?
For example:
Pension payments.
Income tax.
Healthcare costs.
Grocery bills.
House prices and availability.
Car prices.
Are we to be compensated for the all of the above or will the magic money trees just start growing in our backyards?
I have done the analysis for my own personal situation and I will be £4500 worse off per year. Everyones circumstance is different, obviously. Some my benefit, for some there will be no change and for others it will be costly.
Your stupid statement about living standard differences being vast is utter crap. I know very poor areas in the south and very affluent areas in the north. Big bold stupid statements, you must be about 16 years old.
Tiocfaidh ár lá 🇮🇪 ☘️ 💪
Óró 'Sé do bheatha 'bhaile,
Óró 'Sé do bheatha 'bhaile,
Óró 'Sé do bheatha 'bhaile,
Anois ar theacht an tsamhraidh!
Óró 'Sé do bheatha 'bhaile,
Óró 'Sé do bheatha 'bhaile,
Óró 'Sé do bheatha 'bhaile,
Anois ar theacht an tsamhraidh!
'Sé do bheatha a bhean ba léanmhar,
B' é ár gcreach tú bheith i ngéibhinn,
Do dhúiche bhreá i seilibh meirleach...
Is tú díolta leis na Gallaibh!
Tá Gráinne Mhaol ag teacht thar sáile,
Óglaigh armtha léi mar gharda,
Gaeil iad féin is ní Gaill ná Spáinnigh...
Is cuirfidh siad ruaig ar Ghallaibh!
A bhuí le Rí na bhFeart go bhfeiceann,
Muna mbíonn beo ina dhiaidh ach seachtain,
Gráinne Mhaol is míle gaiscíoch...
Ag fógairt fáin ar Ghallaibh!🇮🇪☘️💪
Clover hat
Yes don't want a divided community so united Ireland i please.
Too expensive
All countries are divided.
Is the Crown loyal to you?????
always found it weird how the tories were the ones almost happy to let Ireland go, Falklands, Gibraltar. They had no care for the actual union of the British. Surprised they dident try get the Royals to sell Jersey to the French to 'stop the boats'.
Superb reporting!
The bonfire is horrific. Burning a tricolour flag which symbolises peace between catholic and protestant
I'm from the Republic. I keep wondering when the people putting my national flag on tall bonfires will realise the irony of choosing to repeatedly fly the Republic of Ireland's flag that high up (higher than any other flagpole in Northern Ireland perhaps?) as a way of expressing... that they are not under the influence of the ideas that symbol represents?
Born and bread in northern ireland i love my country ❤❤❤
Ireland is a great country...thank you.
What kind of bread were you?
@@mooseduck SOURdough!.
@@mooseduck Unleavened !
UISTER IS AND WILL ALWAYS BE BRITISH NO SURRENDER NO FENIAN HERE
The unionists have already lost but they don't realize it.
Down with unionism
Respect all cultures and people.
One man's unity is anothers disunity. Leaving one tribe to join another. Doesn't really matter which way round you look at it, it still divides in essence.
@@evolassunglasses4673😂 they have 0 respect for anyone's "culture", wtf that means
@larrygerry985 so having no respect for theirs is exactly the same?
Yes, down is a unionist county well done.
"Culture" - define that please.
Visitor attraction 🤣🤣🤣
If you're British live on the island of Britain 🤪
anf if your a repblican shut up
I think technically the island of Ireland is part of the British Isles from a geographic terminology perspective
You all live on the British isles lol
@@Derkgez The isle of Britain yes thats right beside the isle of Ireland.
@@ps5owner535 the British Isles...look it up lol.
REALITY CHECK…. While the Irish fight among themselves 100,000’s migrants will eventually take control of both Irish regions. Major Muslim enclaves are growing across both Irelands. Sadly it is inevitable that Irish culture will fade away. So sad….
More than 250 languages are spoken in London, making the capital of the United Kingdom the most linguistically diverse city globally. About 78% of residents of London have English as their first language. Nearly 1.7 million Londoners don’t have English as their first language. More than 300 thousand people living in London can’t speak English.
Only a matter of time til
Were free ☘️🇮🇪
Tiocfaidh ár lá
Free from Roman Catholic mind control?
@@lervish1966 free from traitors like you
Far from Befast and the conflict in Northern Ireland, this holiday looks strange and incomprehensible. There were many conflicts in the EU countries, but almost no one celebrates, for example, "the burning of Joanna Darc" "the British defeat at Dunkirk" The Danish Vikings do not participate in parades commemorating the defeat of the British ancestors. The tribes of Angles and Saxons came from today's Denmark and could celebrate the conquest of the British Isles . There are many such historical occasions to celebrate in Europe. Economically, the Republic of Ireland could buy all of Belfast, but is waiting for reason or economics to force Northern Ireland to unite the entire island.
> Joanna Darc
wait wait wait WAITWAITWAIT
Was the protagonist of classic N64 FPS game Perfect Dark, Joanna Dark, named after JOAN OF ARC?!?!? 🤯🤯🤯
Completely different to any of these examples man. They celebrate their continued union with Great Britain (their ancestral homeland)
Economically the ROI is BUST. Corporations run the place with NGOs with EU Soviet the front. Fiat banking system in full support. CBDC shackles planned
One Ireland!!! Reunite the countys!!
Comments are a good reason to stay in UK.
One marcher clearly admitted NI is a basket case and not worth saving. If Oreland can't afford NI, wtf is UK paying for it.
Irelands people from hundreds of years are and still are Catholic.
Northern Ireland dont need these walks .
Proddys need to know king William wasn't irish
Unionist, loyalists should understand understand rules are rules
Fires should be STOPPED STOPPED
Labour leader should put a stop to all this shite
Down with the union ,Ireland is a nation country and will always be
Keep seething and coping mick, In your lifetime Ulster will stay British and always will be as the British people founded Ulster and lived in it as it is in the British Isles 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧