Who 'won' each Paradox Game?
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1337 is not the end date of CK2 it is just the last start date you can start in, CK2 actual end date is also 1453 like CK3
Wait really... I assumed it was the end date for some reason... oops. I mean never played past 1250 ish in Ck2 and I always do the earliest possible start.
@@LemonCake101 You're missing out, CK2 has actually interesting scenarios in its later starts. I think it's the last game that they made which was ballanced for multiple starts. Although with the last DLC's they did sort of make money trivial.
I guess I will have to give it a go some day!
@@monarchofthesea9395 yes! The 1337 Byzantine start is so much fun especially playing it in Hip mod
@@EmperorJohn That would be a fun one, really tricky I imagine. Not done that.
March of the Eagles remains forgotten
March of Eagles takes place in the end date of EU, so I think there is no need to mention it. However, there is a really forgotten Paradox game called Sengoku, which takes place in another time period, and its end date is somewhere in the early 17th century
Good.
Paradox won by being able to milk history for map games
Can't believe they came up with so much lore
the lore of these games is wild
Someone really should make a pdx game lore channel fr fr
@@LemonCake101 they did, its either overly sarcastic productions or the armchair historian
Yeah but some of it's hard to buy. Like look at the premise. Apparently there were all these large countries assembled and ready to defeat the Ottomans once and for all, but the king dies and suddenly the whole thing's off? A bit contrived and some poor writing if you ask me. And apparently one of the middling powers is the canon cause of the league war and it was because some diplomat got thrown out of a window, and it wasn't even the only time in lore that it happened in that very city. Reused plot points like that are very amateurish if you ask me.
@@colinstorzbach6105Yeah the plot armor is just ruining my suspension of disbelief
@@colinstorzbach6105 Plus instead of having the Ottomans with their plot armour die in some epic fight they just kind of wither away wounded in Victoria until pathetically dying after the Great War. They then reuse a character from a prior battle and have him beat everyone after!? Terrible writing.
Even if you're biased both EU iv and Vicky the only countries that could even contest Britain are Russia and France, and with France just being decimates from the Napoleonic wars in euiv Britain is a clear favourite. That damned H2O keeping Britain from most harm again and again
Rule Britannia!
America is the winner of the Victoria games. Even in the midst of the Great Depression the only countries that are ascending faster are Japan and Germany, but their candles are burning on both ends.
@@TheOwneroftheIC I agree with this, for the same reason France didn't win EU4. At the very last minute, things changed.
At the end of EU4, Napoleonic France was defeated, and at the end of Victoria 2/3, UK got hollowed out by WW1, going into Major debt to the USA and US gets an equal seat at the table in the WW1 peace deal, before fucking off again. UK had to invest so much resources at this point to keep its empire going, while the USA was isolationist and only focused on growing its industry and economy.
I think the end of WW1 was the first time the US realized it could save or kill the UK, and started poisoning the UK's meals.
@@TheOwneroftheIC No, it isn't. The US would have had VERY small prestige, an average army score, and would have been first in industrial score, but would still lose to the UK overall (if we're talking about it within the game)
In reality, despite being involved in WWI, the USA was a pariah state. The Anglo-French alliance adopted Woodrow Wilson's idea of a League of Nations, but America has never joined, and any American attempts at diplomacy in Europe were blocked. By 1936, the world continued to be led by the British and the French, with America standing on the sidelines. US would only truly win in hoi4.
@@matwiwNot really, even hyper biased TH-camrs for Britain like Old Britannia fully admit that they would have followed Germany into a Weimar state without American money. In one of his video’s it’s described how Britain went 24 hours close to financial collapse but was saved by Wall Street.
Also, America has one of the most dominant positions in history. It’s a practical miracle that Europe, Africa, Asia and South America aren’t just a series of directly controlled puppets. As an American, y’all are lucky we have such a pathetic government.
Lemon, we haven't had a tier list in over a week, Are you okay? Are you being held hostage?
th-cam.com/video/n1Qux_0ZRj0/w-d-xo.htmlsi=wswx1o47LKYrB79S lies and SLANDER that was 7 days ago, hence not over a week
I have some stuff I am working on but tier lists do require quite a bit of planning/work too, and this was a fun conceptual chat
@@LemonCake101 so you are being held hostage, got it
they are forcing you not to do tier lists
@@BobbiusRossius shh dw
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@@newlineschannel I am a form of confectionary
I would put mamluks as winners of crusader kings games since they have the Holy Land and its called "crusader kings". So, like... they won those
I mean honestly... fair!
Plus they are the richest nation at that point with the Ottomans not overtaking them until they controlled both the Black and Red Sea trade routes to the Far East.
Imperator: Me
CK3: Me
EU4: Me
HoI4: Paradox, by making me addicted to it forcing me to waste 1.5k hours of my life
Stellaris: Me
CK2's end game screen gives the Capetian Dynasty the highest historical score, since Crusader Kings isn't about dominating the map with one state by the end date, but about maintaining a successful dynasty across multiple countries and centuries. The Ottomans, who enter the historical record in the late XIII century would be surpassed even by less relevant, but far older noble families.
The Rurikids were more successful. By your logic Malla too.
@@genovayork2468 no bc it's literally paradox choice's or else it wouldnt be at the top of the end screen
I think winner of Victoria 2 is USA because they had a significantly stronger industry with 35-40% of the worlds industrial output compared to the UK's 10-15% and the UK owed a lot of money to the US after ww1. The US also achieved their ambitions, like the UK achieved their Cape to Kairo, of keeping European powers out of the Americas (Monroe doctrine) and had their own large sphere of influence (all of the Americas). UK has larger navy, but USA also has a big one. You can tell how important the US is by their stock market crash making everyone in the world broke.
That's a fair point!
I think the usa won the economy but Britain won the military and colony part
@@showman9619don't forget, at the begining they didn't had the west coast or Texas.
@@zord1352 but the uk gained a lot more land
@@showman9619 gaining a bunch of shitholes isnt worth much, is it?
I love the lore of Paradox Extended Universe. That's some amazing worldbuilding they're doing, with so many interesting powers.
I expected a Stellaris part, in which the obvious winner is:
you
That or the ones, the swarm flees from.
The winner of Stellaris is your PC when your turn it off and the lag goes away
I think that GB has a better claim to 1821 than 1936. USA industrialization goes brrr
CK3 "ends" in 1453, but there's no way that unoptimized garbage doesn't crash before 1350.
Another W for CK2
well must be your and well favourite word
Well, what can I say, it is what it is. Moving swiftly on...
Victoria ends in 1936 - and by 1936 Britain was not the worlds leading Global power. By the beginning of the 20th century Germany was the worlds leading power and after WW1 USA stepped into that role. Britian was 3rd or 4th by the end of the games timeline, and was on death's door financially, economically and structurally.
But who won the unmade Paradox game that covered the Bronze Age?
Egypt
That sounds so boring.. How different could a game set in 12,000 something BC be any different from a game like 'Imperator Rome' in mechanics? It gets to a point where technology is stagnant, and there isn't much one can do due to those limitations.
@@Bigzthegreat well a 12,000 bce map game would be impressive as hell to pull off considering most of the world was still neolithic hunter gatherer tribes by that point. it would be sick as hell just for the doggerland inclusion though. but one during the bronze age would be almost exactly the same as imperator rome if you removed the non-tribal status away from literally country except for egypt, babylonia, syria, the minoans, and the indus valley civilization (and replaced parthia with the sea peoples)
Assyria
@@phiscz My only idea for 12,000 BCE is letting players and AIs research technology ahead of time at will, with the only limiting factor being population and innovation, kind of like 'Cividlization 2'. With such bad technology though, a game in that era wouldn't have anything interesting happen.
They say Early birds gets the worm, can i get a worm flavoured cake
Oh no, not only am I being eaten by you, but also a worm... oh the humanity!
Me, I did. I have more hours in the games than any of the devs spent making them.
I won and now I'm pursuing a geography degree
Oh neat, Geography is a mood
@@LemonCake101 thanks, I think it's more important than ever
Paradox won with their DLC policy.
Someone forgot March of the Eagles!
Ya could’ve put in a win for GB there.
I originally did but I decided UK won hard enough
@@LemonCake101 Rule Britannia Intensifies
@@LemonCake101 shouldve done fallen eagle mod from ck3 to fill the gap with a nation nobody really knows about or its the muslims im not sure
the grassland eu4 texture as the background is awesome
A hint if you will for some of the pdx enjoyers
Dear Sir Lemon Cake 'The Wise',
Your videos are splendid, and your commentary is simply marvellous! However, to truly understand which tier list of your large repertoire is the best of the bunch, I hereby request and challenge you to make a tierlist of your tierlists.
Yours sincerely,
Joshua
Dear Joshua,
I hope this reaches you well. The tier list of tier lists is planned as a finale, a final send of if you will to the series when it reaches its conclusion.
I thank you for your time and consideration,
Lemon Cake
Next up: Winners of Hearts of each of these games. Who had the bigfest struggles and managed to prvail despite the odds or just managed some stunts so awesome during the games timespan that you just have to love them. Would be an interesting discussion at least, even if extremely open ended
Lemon Hoi4 content... a cursed thought
an interesting thought!
for eu4, my choice would be the Netherlands, their success in the 17th and 18th century is almost unbelievable, becoming a great power as such a small country despite competing with Great Britian, France and Spain. Surviving the "Rampjaar" is almost impossible without a lot of luck in the game.
For vic2&3, my more controversial pick would be Switzerland: despite being a quite poor and politically unstable backwater at the start of the 19th century, it managed to reform itself into one of the richest and most stable democracies in the world. Though the polarised political and religious situation in Switzerland at the start of the game is unfortunately poorly represented, so ingame path towards the economic growth seems much smoother than it was historically.
I think a case could be made that the USA “won” Victoria. In 1936 the British Empire was strong but it was much more devastated from WWI than the US was. The US had the resources to dominate the world in 1936 it’s just that they were choosing to stay in isolation. Because the US’s power was only potential I can understand giving it to GB but the US was right there too.
That's a fair argument; but I do value power projection too, hence the earlier mention of it at the start of the video
@@LemonCake101 yeah I get that. I don’t think Great Britain is a bad choice or even the wrong choice. I just feel the US should’ve gotten an honorable mention like Russia and the Soviet Union got.
The US was not truly isolationist. For example the US was covertly aiding the entente during ww1 long before it formally joined the war. Both germany and Britain were blocading each other to build up war exhaustion. The were also reliant on trade with USA especially for food. The US progressively cut off its trade with getmany and increased trade with britain. The US also gave generous loans to Britain. Whe Germany retaliated, the US pretended like it was just an innocent merchant who dindu nuffin.
But i would agree that US won victoria
from a technological standpoint UK was further ahead than the US, UK had the biggest merchant shipping fleet in the world (by a lot), in 1936 the Royal Navy is more sophisticated, and the Royal Airforce is a little larger than the Us airforce. (UK had an air fleet of 800 in 1934 which rose to 3500 by 1939, U.s. had 800 in 1936 which rose to 2,400 by 1939). U.K. had radar which the US didn’t (US didn’t have access to cavity magnetrons), slightly beyond the time frame but the U.K. also discovered it was possible to separate the isotope uranium-235, starting operation Tube Alloys and passing the discovery to the U.S. - other techs include jet engines, proximity fuses for effective anti-air capabilities.
Yes you could make a strong economic argument for the U.S., and they did have the ‘resources to dominate the world’, but they were far behind in terms of the military and technological build-up that they would need to realise that ambition. a decade later and clearly they would be there, but the simple truth is that they weren’t in 1936. The UKs orbit is also much bigger in 1936 - the figures i was giving earlier are for the UK only - in reality the UK had greater access to resources than the US in 1936 due to empire, the U.K. controls the Suez canal, the most important trade artery in the world, the UK still dominated the insurance industry and international trade (hence the size of the merchant fleet). The UK was immensely powerful pre-ww2 and exerted it’s influence far more effectively than the US at that point.
Idk If i'd say GB "wins" the victorian era games, they were pretty beat up after the Great War and the United States was, from an economic standpoint, in a better position than the UK.
I'm going to toss my hat in the ring and give the winner of Vicky to the United States by the end of World War I they had effectively:
Been able to practice inperialism, all at the expense of a GBR guarantee due to the Monroe Doctrine.
Played both sides of the war and joined towards the end allowing them a seat at the winners table
Become the only great power in the Americas and certainly one of the great powers of the world.
Whereas Britain certainly didn't come out any better for fighting in the great war.
As for EU IV I agree its Great Britain. By the end of the Napoleonic Wars, Britain had essentially won the most complete victory in human history, to the point where the time after is named after their queen.
I think the US wins victoria 2/3 if you look at the end date, their industry is simply unmatched in 1936.
I think a good continuation of this would be who won each paradox game not in irl facts but who is the most broken country/tag/realm
I mean, half the time that's just a 'check last DLC'
You forgot another reason for the USA winning HoI4: They didn't get the massive casualities and infrastructure damage of the USSR.
Exactly, the USA really planned better by choosing to be on their continent
@@LemonCake101 Let's fight the war at your place.
@@LemonCake101 putting things out there the USA would have won the codl war regardles of idology. if the US was communits and UDSSR was captials the USA win just as easy as they were simply starting with an isane lead. history books portray them as equals and while they were the 2 most ifluancel nations. they were never on equal footing.
We know who won, now we need to know who the different personalities were. Who was the main character of Imperator: Rome? (well that's kind of obvious). Who is the anti-hero of EUIV? Who is the comedic relief of HOI4? Who are the NPCs? Who is the side character the fanbase loves a̶n̶d̶ s̶h̶i̶p̶s̶ w̶i̶t̶h̶ o̶t̶h̶e̶r̶ s̶i̶d̶e̶ c̶h̶a̶r̶a̶c̶t̶e̶r̶? So many possibilities...
That makes me want an Axis Powers Hetalia mod for HOI4. Who am I kidding, there probably is one.
I would also pick Britain for EU4, but I think Spain is a close contender, despite the fall off, using the score as a metric for the sheer amount of tremendous accomplishments starting in 1492 until the 1800s. If the game stopped a few decades earlier, I think Spain wins for sure
You mean if the game stopped two centuries earlier.
@@Sirvalian No, I'd still give it to Spain overall if the game stopped like mid 1700s
Real answer is the bank of england
despite historically these nations have risen somewhere around 1500-1600s and already had fallen before year 1812, in late game EU4 I usually see Spain and the Ottomans in top 3 Great Powers, the Ottomans claiming military hegemon many times before me (because I just like playing tall and making a heaven out of whatever region I conquered rather than having late game wars).
the true victory in any of these games is just world conquest
I get told off for pushing the WC narrative though
Agree with you on all the games. Although for Victoria games I could probably include USA as well. Its finale is the post-World war 1 situation. And while Britain won the war, it was in such a weakened position that by the start of HOI4 their Empire is collapsing and couldn’t maintain the world order. While US wasn’t that big of a participant in WW1, it just kept developing while others were fighting, resulting in roaring twenties and clearly dominant position in cultural and economic sense. At the start of HOI4 they are also weakened by Great Depression, but still in the matters of economy and influence they were the leaders
For 1337 you can kind of put Golden horde.
Also USA lost City skylines.
USA wins prison architect
By 1453 France also just won the HYW while the Habsburg didn't get their royal mariages yet.
The fact that us, people from all around the world, are right now speaking english as the common language in any and all social platforms, to communicate with everyone around the world, is the proof that anglosphere is the victor of the history. At least for now.
I thought this was going to be a video about dozens and dozens of game runs and see which country won the most times in each game. Satisfied nevertheless xd but now I need a video like that
This is honestly a really interesting topic. I hope you do more of these! Maybe you could do the opposite. Which nation ends up the weakest at the end? (excluding nations that are just straight up annexed).
Could be interesting, but yeah the swarms of annexed tags are probably the ‘winners’ for that.
Even though I am extremely leftist, the USA definitely won HoI4
Eu4 does have that little ranking of tags by score that you get in the 1821/resign screen that has spain as number 1, which ive always found a little funny. I suppose it's like cumulative for the whole period of the game and not about 1821.
It’s cumulative but also weighted towards the late game (you earn more score later)
Spain didn't exist before 1707.
I think Qing won Europa Universalis, if you take away the game goals and mechanis, for sure thhe most busted army numbers and economy, and if it wanted the biggest navy too, sure the quality of the army and the navy would be a lot inferior, but yet not so big difference compared to the victoria years
Ming won CK3 you mean.
@@Sirvalian there is no Ming in CK3, only with mods
Honestly these games are basically 1 game or series like the Total War games. They just tweak what was appropriate for each time period.
1337 is golden horde
Yuan, Egypt and Delhi are more powerful, boso.
Crusader Kings: Ottomans for sure. Hard to argue any other way
Europa Universalis: Great Britain/United Kingdom
Victoria: United States
Hearts of Iron: Allies
Stellaris: Ongoing
Ming won by a landslide, you're unwell. Egypt and Qara Qoyunlu were also stronger.
Spain didn't exist before 1707, boso.
I would have considered Qing China as contenders for EU4. They lagged behind technologically but their massive economy and trade potential was part of why they got targeted the way they were during the victorian era.
Ming makes much more sense for CK3 than Qing does for EU4. They are not lagging behind yet and their biggest contender is another regional power the Ottomans rather than a world spanning empire miles ahead of them.
Wars have no good guys and bad guys, little kid, with exception of WWI.
TH-cam thinks this video is about Europe Universalis. The game from 2000. A game that definitely wasn't on the list.
In fairness Eu4 isn't even an option
Idk who did it irl but I most certainly know i've lost every single one
It's hilarious how France is within the top 5 for every game but Imperator, but never gets the top spot by the end date.
Not top 5 in 1337 and 1453.
@@genovayork2468
1453 It is most likely top 5. I can only come up with Ming and Ottomans being way stronger, nothing in Europe for sure.
1821 though? France is recently beat up.
1936? USA, UK, Soviet, Germany, Japan...
1948? USA, Soviet, UK, yeah France is back again for a little while.
@@Sirvalian Egypt, Qara Qoyunlu, Bengal, Bahmania, Vijayanagar, Yuan, Muscovy, Lithuania, Jaunpur, Gujarat, Moghulistan, Uzbekia were stronger.
Kind of makes you realize how impactful Britain has been on world history. A small island in Europe basically ruled the 18th, 19th and early 20th centuries uncontested. Even now, one of their former colonies is the undisputed number one in the world.
Indeed
18th century a bit of a stretch
@@pogliot338 Last half of of 18th century is not a stretch at all. 20th century is very much of a stretch.
I mean, by 1936 Breton Woods was a thing, GB and the other European empires were weakened by WW1, instability was also rampant on the old continent, for Vic2/3 winner I would put the US as a serious contender.
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Bad time to have eyes
In general, if we consider eu4 end date (1821) not in the game mechanics, but in historical reality, the victory is really for Russia. 7 years before that Russia had defeated Napoleon, its international prestige was at the highest level even possible, and Russia itself became the gendarme of Europe, created the Holy Alliance, which for some time dictated European politics. It was a very short hegemony, which started to shatter in 1830, but technically they won.
You’re not biased, it’s the guys who wrote this lore that are biased
Listen, sheeple. He was going to cover who won Stellaris but then an alien probed his memory and deleted it.
British puts GB as a "winner" of EU4. Checks out.
By vicy rules the USA won the game, they have the 2nd largest navy and by far the biggest economy and industry despite a crash, definitely GP nr 1. And also the UK definitely won EU4 because the next game bears their name. For CK it could be argued that england won a cultural victory, as in the next game we see the very institutions established during the CK games in England bear fruit and turn england into the greatest power on earth, but idk how well those are represented in CK so idk if it counts.
Ming won CK3. By the time Victoria ends in 1936, the US had already surpassed Britain in capacity.
No, US was nowhere close to Great Britain until their colonial empire fell apart.
@lemoncake rome was also anglo-saxon, why do you think in all the roman movies they have english accents?
oh true... Ottomans where also.. British, naturally!
I think USSR won in the hoi4, because the transition of a feudal state for a superpower rival to USA with nuclear power and great technologies sometimes even better than the American contra-part, this can apply even by the hoi4 "rules" because they start with a kinda weak industry and a big but unequipped army, but in the late game with a player in charge, even counting multiplayer where they fight multiple countries, its just a unstoppable machine.
and
In Eu4 I say Spain, from a divided kingdom to THE superpower, colonizer of a WHOLE continent and big islands like Philippines, they were much more powerful than the English for the most of the period, and in the game, they can colonize much faster
These are good choices for the nations that had the largest increase in power. Not the most powerful nations at their games respective end date. The end date of EU4 was around the time Spain lost almost all of its colonies. And the Soviets, while very technologically advanced, just didn't have the power projection of the US. The US navy advantage alone already keeps them from winning in my book. Not even including the other things the US has going for it. More allies, more strategic positions around the world, etc.
HOI starts in 1936 by which time the Russian Empire had firmly transformed into the Soviet Union, so it's outside the scope of the game to bring this up, but if HOI started with WWI and ended with WWII, I would agree. It's only relevant the accomplishments of the USSR between 36 and the end of WWII
@@johnny-smith Also, calling Russia "feudal" even in 1900 would be rather a stretch, given it was rather centralized, beurocratic state that already had stuff like serfdom abolished. It just wasn't industrialized. The only interpretation that it's "feudal" is if we use Marxist definition of "feudal" which is so wide, that it basically means "peasants work on a land they don't own, but are slaves in a literal sense of a word".
Also, peasants in Russia already largely had their own land already poast civil war, so it wasn't feudalism even under Marxist definition (untill their land got collectivized under Stalin).
Idk under which metric Russia would be "feudal" in 1936, unless you make "feudal" to mean "largely not industrialized much"
EU4 has the 3 type of Hegemony. Russia is clearly the military one. GB is economic and naval with its huge trade income and "Britain rules the sea".
In hoi4, late game Soviet Union is way stronger than USA because of building slots and puppet states(which also existed irl), the COMECON focus makes the puppets even better.
In real life it wasn't like this, USA was much stronger, but paradox games aren't the peak realism.
I would have said France won CK3 since it managed to route the English back to their stronghold in Calais. Unite the kingdom of France and occitania. They were in 1453 the pre-eminent military power in Europe and probably would have become HRE emporer in 1519 if Spain didn't get the colonies.
Ottomania, Golden Horde, Muscovy were stronger militarily in Europe, boso. On the world stage France wasn't even in top 10.
@@genovayork2468 Muscovy was a Golden Horde puppet
@@xaveircombs2690 It wasn't, it was de facto independent, boso.
@@genovayork2468 no it wasn’t it payed active tribute the moscow didn’t gain independence till later
@@genovayork2468 when I say France I mean the Capetians who controlled France the Burgundian realm and Portugal.
To win, you need to play the main character in the first place, as in, Germany/Prussia/Brandenburg
the ck2 end date is a great example of just convincing people (me) by just saying things with confidence.
Learn basic history.
@@genovayork2468 what does history have to do with lemoncake just being wrong and confusing the last start date of the game with the end date???
Lemon, gamers won, the gamers won...
But at what cost... (DLC)
for victoria 3 i would argue that over japan in 1936 japan had a strong army a strong economy and a "willing to sacrifise themselves" men UK in 1936 was not at its peak but it did prosper trough victorian era but not in the mid wars period
Crossing my fingers that he does a follow up on Stellaris and just goes insane.
Paradox lore is so interesting. I wish England was real
If the CK 2/3 end date and EU4 start date was just a little earlier, you could make a very reasonable argument that England would have won CK 2/3 as well. Soon before 1444, England controlled most of France and was on the precipice of wiping out the French monarchy, but then Joan of Arc happened and the war completely flipped. If England had most of France at the end/start date, then they could be considered to have won, since they are only a few steps away from forming an Angevin Empire, which would be perfectly positioned to dominate both the continent and the seas.
Hoi4 millenium dawn, hoi4 old world blues and stellaris: to be decided
IDK from the end date of 1935 of victoria 2 I would give my money on the USA purely of the fact that the UK along with France suffered the most to ensure victory in the first world war while the USA essentially took the UK's position financially.
Imo 1337 (though I know it's incorrect end date for ck2) was won by Golden Horde and/or other Mongol Empire successor states
Although already in decline they still were a powerhouse that would still remain for quite a while
Feels odd to use "nations" for CK2 and 3 rather than dynasties and families, considering that that's the whole focus of CK.
It would be cool with you had screenshots for the historic endings inside the games
seems you got your 15k :)
Yup, just got there!
Some Maps of the world would have been nice to visualize everything
CK2 doesn't end in 1337, :V
No, it does not... oops. Well at least the 1453 points all still stand!
Victoria III is all about economy as a measure of winning, so by that metric wouldn’t the U.S. be the winners?
Another winner of eu4 should be spain which historically at end of the game has a lot of colonies only to loose them all at period of victoria 2.
Spain was place 5 or 6 globally.
Now it's only reasonable to do a "Who 'lost' each paradox Game?".
Everyone that got annexed :(
@@LemonCake101 Yeah but who really lost the hardest?
For CK3 it could be Byzantium that start in a really good position in 867 and just die by the end. Or maybe one of the Islamic empires, since they didn't out right die but instead splinter into many different states, which is arguably worse than just no longer existing.
Same goes for EU4. Did the HRE lose the hardest since they went from dominating central Europe to failing as a concept and becoming a playground for Prussia and Austria by the end. Or maybe it was the Mughals that had a promising start and also met their end within the timeline. Maybe the Aztecs or Inca are the ones that really lost EU4, being brutally subjugated by Europeans.
Vic 3 and Hoi 4 would have less variety, but I think you get my train of thought.
@@DanjasLP mhm that does make sense
EU4 I would say Russia, Japan, GB, even Qing at that time was still very powerful.
forgot Sengoku, March of the Eagles, etc.~ :)
Shh
Winner of Imperator: Rome
Winner of Europa Universalis: Europe
Winner of HOI: Capitalists and Communists with so little Empathy they could be described as having "Hearts of Iron" which sounds even less empathetic than "hearts of stone"
Loser of Crusader Kings: Crusading Kings
Loser of Victoria: Queen Victoria dies before the end
USA wins Victoria it is unquestionably the strongest economy (more than gb and France combined) in the world at the end the game. It’s a game about economics.
Imperator: Rome
CK2/3: Ottomans, France
EUIV: Great Britain, Prussia (for surviving at all and becoming even a lesser great power, given the circumstances)
Victoria II: United States, Great Britain (pyrrhic victory for the latter)
Hearts of Iron IV: United States, Soviet Union
And if we’re counting March of the Eagles and Sengoku, then Great Britain/Prussia/Russia for the former, and the Tokugawa for the latter.
France isn't even a thing at the end of Crusader Kings. I mean, it technically is, but the king holds so little power it might as well not be.
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I would say the USA won victoria 2 because by 1935 they had a stronger economy and industry than britain and probably more prestige too. The only metric britain did (at least for 1935) beat the USA on is mil score and population.
I think your assessment of Victoria lacked nuance. After WWI, Britain is teetering as a power and, while perhaps still on/near the top, is severely weakened. Going from the world's largest creditor to its single largest debtor, having had to give up on ambitions of absolute naval supremacy and assent to the Washington Naval Treaty and soon finding itself having to increase military spending to ruinous levels by 1939.
This is worsened by the rising superpower that was the USA, which held much of the world's debts and had a comparatively cohesive population and huge resource reserves. The USSR was also a potential threat though not yet nearing superpower status.
I am not an expert on Japan, but that was another looming challenger.
Germany was a bit of a joke (long-term) but was poised to cause a serious headache.
I'd argue the HRE won CK2 or 3. They are massive in that game and only really get nerfed by switching to eu4 and exploding.
It was not even a country.
"the good guys won." You sure?
You either die a hero or live long enough to become the villain. We complain because life sucks. If Germany or Japan won, we would be complaining more. :D
@@shorewall >If Germany or Japan won, we would be complaining more. :D
If you don't exist, there's no one to whine to :D
While I fully agree that Axis powers are DEFINITELY the straight-up evil side that I'm GLAD they lost, I wouldn't exactly call Allies "good guys" (you know, with stuff like Bengal famine or like anything Stalin was doing...), they are just "less outright terrible" side.
I do think the hoi4 outcome is closer because we don't care about allies but we do care about subjects and the soviet union ends with a lot of subjects while the americans have almost non plus nukes are not very strong in hoi4 so the soviets have the stronger military of the two that said it's still an american victory with america having way more factories
For V3 it is turtle island :D
I would honestly say Soviet Union is thw winner of Vicy, for the reason that if we are looking at Vic3 than Soviets are the only coutry with an end game build, as Communism is in Vic3 the most optimal build.
The winner of eu4 should be spain