My first train baptism was with Triang as in a hand me down, one christmas back in the 1970's the suitcase came down from the loft and behold a case full of 'OO' trains. Since then I became a stalwart of 'N' and over the last couple of years NN3- which uses Z gauge chassis and N gauge locos and scenery. At present I am working on a NN3 layout of Glyn Gieriog on the GVT in 1910. Mission impossible maybe but I'll do my damnest. Long live good old fashoined trainsets, I love them.
Hey lawrie, as someone whos been picking this stuff up for the last few years, you can improve the rolling resistance on the tender and coaches with a spot of oil in the bearings. Keen to see you explore this lovely little world of TT3....
Oooh, you had me going for the first five minuntes or so, I was almost shouting at the screen, " that's the original TT, not the new one"! On a recent visit to the Hornbuy Visitor Centre (you'd love it) I was told that the new range is doing very well. The models they had on display were very impressive.
Turnouts in both Triang Track types can be acquired straightforwardly. Buildings / Platforms / Bridges can get expensive, OR try printing and making both 3D and card backed ones from your computer. 2mm /4mm card buildings can be used to some extent to give depth of field tricks.
LMM, I never knew that triang tt gauge was a thing until I watched your video, I loco little trains so after watching your video I am going to get 1 or 2 sets of the triang tt train, it is very hard to find the triang tt, thanks for the video.
I’d love some old Triang TT. Particularly the Jinty and the Britannia. These old locos run so well. I’m busy restoring old Hornby Dublo 3-rail at the moment. The build quality and ease of maintenance never ceases to amaze me. OK some of them need a remag - or just a couple of 7mm neodymium cube magnets - to get full performance, but they all seem to work as soon as you unpack them.
Don't want to upset you, but the Britannia is very highly collectable, so you may find one hard to come by. The Jinties on the other hand are very, very common. I'd suggest that you join the 3mm Society, who will be very happy to help you.
This is what I love about old model trains, they all have this sort of toylike charm. You could leave these in an attic for 60 years and they’ll fire up just like that. (Also you missed one on the cute count lol)
@lmm I think due to social media it has seen a better take up. Only issue with the new TT:120 scale is the speed the models are being launched as it is slow. Although you will be pleased there is a TT:120 scale Jupiter available from Osborn models.
Mate, just got onto your channel. Absolutely amazing. I just took my 1yo son on his first ever miniature steam train ride in Brisbane, Australia on the weekend as a result of watching your videos. You are engaging, knowledgeable and enthusiastic which is such a breath of fresh air.
I personally prefer the toy like models to the highly detailed stuff of today. I want something i can fiddle with and enjoy running without the risk of bits breaking off or making it unusable by holding it slightly wrong.
TT gauge literally stands for "Table Top." It was developed as a mid size gauge that would allow train sets to run on the top of a kitchen table. It was never completely canned though. TT gauge caught on in Europe, and today you can still buy new TT models.
A few years ago, I acquired a Triang TT milk tanker in amongst some Triang 00 wagons. Obviously, I just had to obtain 2 x Triang TT 0-6-0T Jinties, a Triang TT Armstrong-Whitworth 0-6-0 diesel shunter, a few carriages and a few wagons, plus a quantity of type B track & station platforms to keep it company. Yes, it's very appealing. Use Hornby 's Airfix type NEM small/narrow tension lock to replace missing Triang TT couplings. I use a mixture of Tillig, Peco H0m & Triang type B track.
I had a TT set in Germany as a kid. There was a West German company called Rokal which exclusively made TT sets. Unfortunately the company went belly up in the early 70s. We sold all of the stuff we had in the late 70s or early 80s.
People assumed the new TT 1:20 scale wouldn't work but with the average new build family home being smaller it makes sense to go either TT or smaller in scale. Also quite a few of the older generation who probably had a large 00 layout are also moving from their larger homes to over 60's retirement apartments where TT or N scale layouts are ideal
The A track is great. The switch’s, sorry points (I’m from the colonies) are finicky. My Jinty runs pretty well. Plus I got some Soviet era TT as well. They all run well on the a track. I plan on getting the TT-120 Scotsman.
...so I confused T gauge for TT gauge on someone's stream once and it was very embarrassing. Have been interested in seeing the narrow gauge possibilities in HO, though.
I'm so glad to see someone showing that sticking my fingers together and ending up making things worse are normal, and the graveyard of gadgets I've attempted to fix I have is not all my fault 😂
After watching a couple of your steam engine (the horrid ones) I was considering subscribing. But after watching this one I want to locate my N scale and start playing with it and working on it after many years of it sitting in boxes and getting moved cross-country. And, I'm subbing. Thanks for reminding me what fun it is to run a setup.
I really enjoy the original TT 3mm scale. The models are virtually bullet proof. The wheels on the coaches need to be maintained though, otherwise they get quite gummed up. The track is easy to come by, you can make decent layouts.
When Tri-ang (Rovex) Parent company went out of business in the mess that ended up with the Tri-Ang (for Railways) Hornby name passing to new owners (was it Dunbee-Combex-Marx initially?) and the decision to brand all the OO range in production as Hornby (Railways) quite why the TT ranges were halted I dont know, modern family houses were getting smaller - was it pressure from Farish (and the Hornby Minitrix venture with Trix) 2mm scale that eliminated the 3mm variant in its mass production?
TT-120 uses a scale ratio of 1:120 or 1/10th inch (0.254 mm) to the foot. So a track gauge of 4 ft 8.5 in is represented by 11.96 mm or 12 mm in real terms. Older Triang TT (or TT3?) used 3 mm to the foot (1:101.6). 12 mm gauge track then represents 4 ft gauge. Great if you are going to model the Padarn Railway but not so great for other prototypes.
Ah, TT Scale...it's honestly kind of funny, TT was made as an American answer to N Scale (Originally a German Scale if I recall correctly), except that N Scale took over here and TT took over in Germany! Of course, no one seems to mention this, so I look forward to the inevitable comments that the American model railroading scene is behind the times for not embracing it...
From what I've read, TT scale pre-dated N scale by about a decade or so as Arnold brought in N scale around 1961/1962 whereas TT scale showed up as early as 1945/1946 (though TT was indeed American and N German in origin). There's technically an association in the USA for TT scale though it's similar to S scale in that both are a niche between two more well known existing scales in the States
@@blanetrain9584 I'll have to check again. I know I'm having headaches wanting to get into HOn3 (HO Narrow Gauge) based mostly on the Denver & Rio Grande Western, but the closest I'm finding to anything ready-made is Bachmann's Durango & Silverton sets in HO and N Gauge, which both seem to ignore the fact that particular line is Narrow Gauge...
love the idea about tt, might need to buy a set. by the way can we expect any time in the future (years down the line) you and hyce doing a colab with D&rgw 491?
Your probably find that most of that B track will slide back in to the chairs which was a common problem if the fishplates were tight when ham-fisted persons parted rail sections
Is TT smaller than N gauge? I'm building an N gauge layout, things have got in the way such as college and work but its looking alright at the moment although it doesn't have any scenery on it. Its just some track on a board with the beginning of a hill in the middle.
TT is in between N and HO/OO. Basically TT is supposed to have the best of both scales. Small enough to fit a lot of layout in a small space, while still being big enough to have nice visible detail.
TT3 was a satisfying and enjoyable size. TT120 is so close to N that frankly only foolishness would make someone choose to have almost no choice in stock and be tied to a questionable manufacturer, for the sake of a scale very marginally larger. Every time I see TT120 and N together, I’m completely amazed that people are choosing to buy TT120.
The sad thing is that the original range of Hornby TT gauge isn’t compatible with the new TT:120 range as (according to Hornby) the original range is slightly out of gauge and not truly 1:120 scale. Another thing to note is that the original TT range was based off the OO gauge range of that time when the rails were ridiculously tall so for these to run on the modern TT:120 track, the flanges would need filing down otherwise, they would be riding on the sleepers..
Your find that most of Tri-angs TT3 rolling stock will run on either Hornby or Peco 1:120 rail track & through points without any problems, 🤔If your rich 🥺then the Tilling 1:120 rail track is possibly one of the best option to use.
The cackle as it runs while you’re wearing the “I’m currently unsupervised” shirt sends me
My first train baptism was with Triang as in a hand me down, one christmas back in the 1970's the suitcase came down from the loft and behold a case full of 'OO' trains. Since then I became a stalwart of 'N' and over the last couple of years NN3- which uses Z gauge chassis and N gauge locos and scenery. At present I am working on a NN3 layout of Glyn Gieriog on the GVT in 1910. Mission impossible maybe but I'll do my damnest. Long live good old fashoined trainsets, I love them.
Hey lawrie, as someone whos been picking this stuff up for the last few years, you can improve the rolling resistance on the tender and coaches with a spot of oil in the bearings.
Keen to see you explore this lovely little world of TT3....
Oooh, you had me going for the first five minuntes or so, I was almost shouting at the screen, " that's the original TT, not the new one"! On a recent visit to the Hornbuy Visitor Centre (you'd love it) I was told that the new range is doing very well. The models they had on display were very impressive.
Turnouts in both Triang Track types can be acquired straightforwardly. Buildings / Platforms / Bridges can get expensive, OR try printing and making both 3D and card backed ones from your computer. 2mm /4mm card buildings can be used to some extent to give depth of field tricks.
I guess it'd be easier to get the stuff in the UK, having collected it here in Australia, the difficulty level has increased significantly
LMM, I never knew that triang tt gauge was a thing until I watched your video, I loco little trains so after watching your video I am going to get 1 or 2 sets of the triang tt train, it is very hard to find the triang tt, thanks for the video.
I’d love some old Triang TT. Particularly the Jinty and the Britannia.
These old locos run so well. I’m busy restoring old Hornby Dublo 3-rail at the moment. The build quality and ease of maintenance never ceases to amaze me. OK some of them need a remag - or just a couple of 7mm neodymium cube magnets - to get full performance, but they all seem to work as soon as you unpack them.
Don't want to upset you, but the Britannia is very highly collectable, so you may find one hard to come by. The Jinties on the other hand are very, very common. I'd suggest that you join the 3mm Society, who will be very happy to help you.
@@JohnDavies-cn3ro just a Jinty and a few coaches and wagons would be enough for me. Probably because I’ve always loved the Triang 00 Jinty…
This is what I love about old model trains, they all have this sort of toylike charm. You could leave these in an attic for 60 years and they’ll fire up just like that. (Also you missed one on the cute count lol)
Same here 😀
The Castle Class locomotive is one of the most attractive of the Great Western Railway’s locomotives.
Hi Lawrie,
Some of the later Triang TT locomotives did have spoked see through wheels.
I have a couple of Brits with spoked wheels.
Compared to the Triang TT attempt the relaunched Hornby TT 1:20 scale has been really successful.
Has it?
TT was meant to be the next big thing and the mags of time time where full of tt layouts.
I don't see that today
@lmm I think due to social media it has seen a better take up. Only issue with the new TT:120 scale is the speed the models are being launched as it is slow. Although you will be pleased there is a TT:120 scale Jupiter available from Osborn models.
I don't know, I've not met anyone yet who actually has got any
Luv those vintage trains, you can almost always count on them! Thank you Lawrie
They're great aren't they! Got such a charm to them!
Mate, just got onto your channel. Absolutely amazing. I just took my 1yo son on his first ever miniature steam train ride in Brisbane, Australia on the weekend as a result of watching your videos. You are engaging, knowledgeable and enthusiastic which is such a breath of fresh air.
Thank you very much!
I'm glad you're enjoying what we do! Hope your boy enjoyed his first train ride!
I personally prefer the toy like models to the highly detailed stuff of today. I want something i can fiddle with and enjoy running without the risk of bits breaking off or making it unusable by holding it slightly wrong.
Oh come off it. These things run like crap and look even worse. Absolute waste of time and money.
@@Cactusfruitsquisheroh come off it, these things work well and can provide hours of boredom cure
The evil twin oh no
Not only does it run, it runs really well👍🏻
TT gauge literally stands for "Table Top." It was developed as a mid size gauge that would allow train sets to run on the top of a kitchen table. It was never completely canned though. TT gauge caught on in Europe, and today you can still buy new TT models.
It was canned by triang though
A few years ago, I acquired a Triang TT milk tanker in amongst some Triang 00 wagons. Obviously, I just had to obtain 2 x Triang TT 0-6-0T Jinties, a Triang TT Armstrong-Whitworth 0-6-0 diesel shunter, a few carriages and a few wagons, plus a quantity of type B track & station platforms to keep it company.
Yes, it's very appealing.
Use Hornby 's Airfix type NEM small/narrow tension lock to replace missing Triang TT couplings.
I use a mixture of Tillig, Peco H0m & Triang type B track.
I had a TT set in Germany as a kid. There was a West German company called Rokal which exclusively made TT sets. Unfortunately the company went belly up in the early 70s. We sold all of the stuff we had in the late 70s or early 80s.
Well done mate you’ve changed Normans life a very selfless act on your part
YESSSS THE INTRO IS BACK
It was great idea that failed in the uk I didn’t think the new TT will catch on
People assumed the new TT 1:20 scale wouldn't work but with the average new build family home being smaller it makes sense to go either TT or smaller in scale. Also quite a few of the older generation who probably had a large 00 layout are also moving from their larger homes to over 60's retirement apartments where TT or N scale layouts are ideal
The A track is great. The switch’s, sorry points (I’m from the colonies) are finicky. My Jinty runs pretty well. Plus I got some Soviet era TT as well. They all run well on the a track. I plan on getting the TT-120 Scotsman.
HI Lawrie. remember this was built in 1950s so its 70 years old.
This set was 1960 I thought?
very well done - very nice find
I was a dedicated OO person but space limitations made me change to N - never looked back! I probably couldn't even see TT :)
Triang TT is 50% bigger than n gauge.
...so I confused T gauge for TT gauge on someone's stream once and it was very embarrassing. Have been interested in seeing the narrow gauge possibilities in HO, though.
Looks cool! ❤
I'm so glad to see someone showing that sticking my fingers together and ending up making things worse are normal, and the graveyard of gadgets I've attempted to fix I have is not all my fault 😂
TY🙏🙏
Tintagel castle has open wheels.
I can smell it just from watching!
Tiny steel giants.
Amazing models ❤
After watching a couple of your steam engine (the horrid ones) I was considering subscribing. But after watching this one I want to locate my N scale and start playing with it and working on it after many years of it sitting in boxes and getting moved cross-country. And, I'm subbing. Thanks for reminding me what fun it is to run a setup.
Ah, but your Castle is marked for British Rail. So the British Rail Mk 1s are appropriate.
That's old Tri-ang tt 1950s-1960s era not the modern hornby TT 120.things weren't so good quality then but I prefer it.
The TT set you have is a T.3.
I really enjoy the original TT 3mm scale. The models are virtually bullet proof. The wheels on the coaches need to be maintained though, otherwise they get quite gummed up. The track is easy to come by, you can make decent layouts.
Sehr schön. 😊
Sehr empfehlenswert die Spur.
When Tri-ang (Rovex) Parent company went out of business in the mess that ended up with the Tri-Ang (for Railways) Hornby name passing to new owners (was it Dunbee-Combex-Marx initially?) and the decision to brand all the OO range in production as Hornby (Railways) quite why the TT ranges were halted I dont know, modern family houses were getting smaller - was it pressure from Farish (and the Hornby Minitrix venture with Trix) 2mm scale that eliminated the 3mm variant in its mass production?
The Castle Class was the SECOND largest Great Western locomotive, having a top speed of 80 mph.
Pretty sure the Castles could pull the Ton.
I believe that TT-120 denotes that the train runs on TT track and that the SCALE is 120 mm to the foot. Am I right?
TT-120 uses a scale ratio of 1:120 or 1/10th inch (0.254 mm) to the foot. So a track gauge of 4 ft 8.5 in is represented by 11.96 mm or 12 mm in real terms.
Older Triang TT (or TT3?) used 3 mm to the foot (1:101.6). 12 mm gauge track then represents 4 ft gauge. Great if you are going to model the Padarn Railway but not so great for other prototypes.
Nice video, I was'nt sure about using TT guage as apposed to OO, buut I am going to give it a go. I believe I can get more into a small space. Thanks
I like the triang stuff. It's really twee
get a copy of rob hamptons Triang TT book. you will love it.
If you think _TT_ is cute, check out *N* and *Z* scales!
One of Lawries friends brought two Z scale layouts to show on his stand at Statfold this year. Very cute.
No matter how serious of a modeler you are there is something about a basic train set :-D
Ah, TT Scale...it's honestly kind of funny, TT was made as an American answer to N Scale (Originally a German Scale if I recall correctly), except that N Scale took over here and TT took over in Germany! Of course, no one seems to mention this, so I look forward to the inevitable comments that the American model railroading scene is behind the times for not embracing it...
From what I've read, TT scale pre-dated N scale by about a decade or so as Arnold brought in N scale around 1961/1962 whereas TT scale showed up as early as 1945/1946 (though TT was indeed American and N German in origin). There's technically an association in the USA for TT scale though it's similar to S scale in that both are a niche between two more well known existing scales in the States
@@blanetrain9584 I'll have to check again. I know I'm having headaches wanting to get into HOn3 (HO Narrow Gauge) based mostly on the Denver & Rio Grande Western, but the closest I'm finding to anything ready-made is Bachmann's Durango & Silverton sets in HO and N Gauge, which both seem to ignore the fact that particular line is Narrow Gauge...
Tt scale it's okay for those who are not having a lot of space. I work on a diorama in tt scale
You missed "Cuter" at... from 1:09 to 1:11. John
love the idea about tt, might need to buy a set. by the way can we expect any time in the future (years down the line) you and hyce doing a colab with D&rgw 491?
TT is so cute
You should come across the pond and check out al pugliese's and Howard Zane's layouts
Your probably find that most of that B track will slide back in to the chairs which was a common problem if the fishplates were tight when ham-fisted persons parted rail sections
Is TT smaller than N gauge?
I'm building an N gauge layout, things have got in the way such as college and work but its looking alright at the moment although it doesn't have any scenery on it. Its just some track on a board with the beginning of a hill in the middle.
TT scale is larger than N scale. Hornby’s current range is 1:120 scale
TT is in between N and HO/OO. Basically TT is supposed to have the best of both scales. Small enough to fit a lot of layout in a small space, while still being big enough to have nice visible detail.
wonder if Lawrie come across Z gauge
Yet to come out video!
@@lmmHow about this Japanese T scale stuff, running on 3 mm gauge track? Maybe no European models available?
Kind regards Christiaan
I was hoping when Lawrie put in the last screw the loco would crumble to dust.
You can get tt gauge,.(3mm) not Hornby 2 5 gauge from the 3mm scale group
if you think this is tiny,i actually do n gauge(1:160) since 20years
I do like N, but TT is just a good 'toy' size
most of the models were never run in.
TT3 was a satisfying and enjoyable size. TT120 is so close to N that frankly only foolishness would make someone choose to have almost no choice in stock and be tied to a questionable manufacturer, for the sake of a scale very marginally larger.
Every time I see TT120 and N together, I’m completely amazed that people are choosing to buy TT120.
The lack of the range is my main turn off.
Currently it's just a train set
Bravo well done
Thank you
hello from boiling hot malta
N guage is smaller but it looks good enough.
Probably a lot cheaper than Hornbys new TT stuff!
Oh god yes..
not always, depends on specific models
@@highpath4776 Ah yes I have 3 boxed T7 DMU sets...Lucky the wife just sees the original prices on the boxes and doesn't ask 🙏
How about N scale? you get much more to chose from and can cram even more into the same limited space.
i have one of the orignal triang TT shop display layout at home
Oh really? That's cool!
Missed the second ‘cute’ :(
TT120 is the new scale. but not 1:108 as yours is.
this will work on tt but wheels are too large for hornby new track.
You'd be surprised, apart from the points needing a little work, the trains run fine
With the broken base plate, perhaps you cold find someone with a 3d printer to make you a replacement?
TT is like S scale here...why,just why.🚂🇨🇦🇬🇧
collab with hyce driving 20 and 491 plz
you need to get a T gauge one next.
I keep looking out for it!
The sad thing is that the original range of Hornby TT gauge isn’t compatible with the new TT:120 range as (according to Hornby) the original range is slightly out of gauge and not truly 1:120 scale.
Another thing to note is that the original TT range was based off the OO gauge range of that time when the rails were ridiculously tall so for these to run on the modern TT:120 track, the flanges would need filing down otherwise, they would be riding on the sleepers..
Also the original tt is 1:100 not 1:120
Your find that most of Tri-angs TT3 rolling stock will run on either Hornby or Peco 1:120 rail track & through points without any problems, 🤔If your rich 🥺then the Tilling 1:120 rail track is possibly one of the best option to use.
@@jakeandfriends3554 Tri-angs 1:101 to be exact
Are you aware this is old Triang TT in 3mm scale - not TT120 at all? Never mind. just got to that bit!
Hello Laurie, You have bought what is probably a 50 year old Tri.ang set. 3 mm Scale.
Not very fair to compare it with the very recent Hornby TT120
The T6 set was introduced in 1960.
So, as mentioned in the video it's 63.
You missed a cute off of the count right in the beginning. but good try
'New' set lol...
The cute counter is one off the whole time L
First?