@@LoveMTB S.O.S my friend, please tell me how can I place a 12sp cassette on a 7sp road wheel? Do I buy a new wheel, a new hub, or I could just place one of those free hubs and job done??
@@LoveMTB I just watched your video again and I think I understand know.. I can keep my 7sp wheel by choosing to use one of the cheaper NX or SX or Deore 12sp cassettes.. Right? (I can only hope 7sp shimano hubs are using the same Freehub body as 8sp)..?
Thank you for your instructional video because I made the mistake by ordering a 12 speed deore cassette and didn't read that it was micro spline so instead of changing out my drive I'm sending it back and my local bike shop has a Sram PG 1230 12 speed cassette. Thanks again for your great instructional videos. Stay blessed and safe.
The idea with HG cassette core was to move the bearings from the middle of the HUB to be more closely as possible to the dropouts. It was very common in the time of "free wheels" cogset to have the axle bent. Unigllide and then HyperGlide manage to fix that problem. XD and MicroSpline moves the drive side bearing far from the dropouts. From an engineering point of view this is a step back. HyperGlide is a superior design. XD and MicroSpline works because now we have better materials than we had 30 years ago and the axle is an oversized pass though. But the only real benefit of XD and MicroSpline is the 10T cog: nothing more, nothing less. No wonder the only solution for 135mm QR is the FH-MT500, and maybe this is going to be the less reliable MicroSpline HUB in the lineup (but id does have a oversized axle, tough).
@@LoveMTB you are right on XD, but on Shimano MicroSpline Freehubs the bearing its in the same position as the cassette core pawls, far away from the dropout. Thank you for your videos. On one of your videos I saw that the MicroSpline Aluminium core gets bites from the cassette: that's another drawback for the new system.
I wish this explained the compatibilities with wheels and axles. Which hubs demand specific wheels and axles? How problematic is it to use an existing freewheel setup? What stays, and what must go?
thanks, havnt built a bike in 15 years and was getting up to speed on what could fit on the kinds of hubs that fit my old frame and this video helped me
I have a plan on upgrading my mtb to 12 speed this coming november and I have an HG Shimano freehub body and I was kinda unsure whether the 12 speed cassette would fit or not. After watching this video I really learned a lot and gained more knowledge about the technical know hows of my bike, thank you for the informative and simple vid, thanks a lot, cheers from the philippines
Much Much Much Much appreciate. This is exactly the information I am looking for answers. I am building my own bicycle now and with modern technology. things changed and new things came up, making things a lot more complicate when purchasing parts. I m very worried to buy rear gear group since there are freewheel and cassette types. The wheel I purchased is using spine type (old model), meaning I have to avoid buying free wheel (which is like the SRAM XD hub) type gear group........ with your information, now I know I can still use SRAM, but need to select the NX line.
@@LoveMTB Thank you. Mix match is not a problem.. Just.... I have to be careful how to fit 11 gear group onto a cassette body that was designed for 10 speed and my rear chamber spacing is 135 mm... There are a lot of videos saying it can be installed, some says I will need to file the base of cassette body a bit, and some draw a picture saying there will be a need about 7 mins in total for 11 speed gear group....... The frame I purchased was designed for 10 speed... And... I have been searched online... Seems.... Go with 11 speed is just the difference of 16 teeth been spouted into 15 and 18 teeth gears. Go with 11 just sound cool.... But go with 10 speed is not bad as well since the speed of 16 T is not much different from 15T... Well.... But 18T does help a bit in shallow ascending slope....
@@LoveMTB Thank you. I received my wheel (magnesium alloy) and put on the tire, the 11 speed cassette, fortunately, I can still lock the cassett cover and put into thr 135 mm chamber. Now is just the matter to set up the derailleur.........I purchased 11-52T.....but the RD was said to support 11-50T.......just a bit put of limit...have to adjust the cable.... Do you have videos on this kind of settig? Ove range set up for rear derailleur........
@@LoveMTB I'm kinda new to this, I bought a Specialized Evo Comp last year on a whim. I intended to buy another bike, but of course it was hard to find anything available. This bike just happened to be on display and ready for me to take home. I also happened to like the look, it is blacked-out with matte carbon fiber finish. It's an XC bike which I think it fine with me since I think I'll be riding on asphalt or concrete 50% of the time. I just want one bike, not two or three. My cassette is the SRAM GX with 12 speed. It just seems to make a loud noise when coasting. My first ride was on a a beach boardwalk and I know people could hear me behind them from a long distance, but that is kind of good, because people moved out of my way.
Finally someone answers the question of converting my 3x10 to a 1x12! Been researching for quite a while and was giving up going to a 12 speed with my current wheel until this. I've been wanting to convert my 2012 Trek Rumblefish 29er to a 1x and now it appears with the right 12 speed groupset, it should be easy. Thanks!
Keep in mind new bikes are also set up with geometry for 1x. Just because you can doesn't mean it will be right. Off chain lines can cause chain drops, excessive and premature wear on components. BB and crank width plays an important role. Chain guides and early narrow/wide sprockets were only temporary bandaids to technology, not solutions.
Thanks for this video man! I just bought an XD Freehub for my GX Eagle cassette and I was concerned that it said "11-speed" in the spec. I freaked out for about 5 mins until I ran into your video :)
Hi, love the clear description. Query, of the 3 systems which is more durable? With fine contact areas to take the torque how well do the splines on the newer drives from Sram and Shimano hold up to mtb abuse?
The reason Shimano is using the older style free hub on the Deore 12 speed system is so that those that have older bikes can upgrade to 12 speed without tossing out a working hub. Makes perfect sense to me. You have an older bike you choose Deore. Anything newer you go with XT or XTR.
Shimano now makes FH-MT500, a QR micro spline compatible freehub for those of us still riding QR frames. As far as I know it is the only QR micro spline rear hub on the market.
THANK YOU excellent and clear explanation!! I have a SRAM 746 rear hub with a 10-42 cassette that is too hi geared for me. I need the Shimano 11-46 cassette. I was wondering if I took the SRAM cassette off with the XD body IF I "could" install the Shimano body onto that hub and install the Shimano 11 speed 11-46 cassette. Looks like I CAN!! Thank YOU!!
@@LoveMTB THANK YOU! Yes I know the Shimano cassette doedn't fit on the XD body. But SRAM makes a freehub FOR Shimano cassettes, that was the freehub body I was going to use. I need the lower gears I do not have the strength to "push" a 10 nor 11 nor 17 tooth cog. Thank you.
Very helpful ! It was near impossible to find information on converting my 1990 mountain bike which has a Shimano 3x 6 speed. I ordered a new freehub that is 135 mm to rebuild my wheels that will support the Shimono 11S. So my plan is to put the teagra 4700 group set (2x10) on this bike and convert it to a gravel bike. I had a hard time understanding free hub compatibility and if I understood your video correctly this will work perfectly.
@@LoveMTB I am still confused on whether MTB and Road Freehubs are exactly the same length. Is the MTB freehub 2mm shorter (narrower) than the Road Freehub?? Or, do all Older style freehubs come in the same length whether MTB or Road? If the MTB freehub is 2mm shorter that means I can run an MTB 11s Cassette on the Road freehub (with a spacer), but not run an 11s Road Cassette on a MTB Freehub (as the cassette would be 2mm too long). I could not find any other videos that explained this like you did. Thank you!!
@@LoveMTB Last and final question. You just don't know how helpful this has been! Where can I order a replacement "road" freehub (just the slotted hub part only, not the whole assembly. I would assume that I could remove the MTB hub part (not sure what you call that) and replace it with a Road hub that is 2mm longer.
Nice! Exactly the information that i was looking for. So basically i can fit a 12 speed cassete (Sunrace 11-50t) in my HG freehub? I'll be using a Shimano XT M8100 derailleur.
Great explanation about such delicated topic. Is it fair to say that an upgrade to 12 speed system the compatibility only depends on the wheel and freehub? Do I need to have any special attention to the frame?
Your videos are so good. I was wondering, do you have a video about the selection of new parts for a new bike? I am considering sram 12 speed vs shimano 12 speed.
Great video! quick questions, as an example can the shimano deore hubs with the standard shimano freehub be converted to the new micro spline? Also if you wanted to convert say a shimano deore hubs from 9mm qr to 15mm thru axle, is it as simple as just removing the end piece adapter? I'm just getting into Mountain biking (first legit bike for me) and curious to learn more. Thanks.
Depending on your hub manufacturer. E.g. mavic and novatec allow you to change your freehub body instead of whole hub set. You can checkup for other makes on their websites.
currently looking at a set of wheels that is only available with DT-240S/148mm rear hub and SRAM XD 11/12-speed Cassette compatibility. would I be able to simply change the freehub body to shimano micro spline to work with an xtr 10-51 cassette?
Interesting, just what I needed to know. So basically there are two freehub standards by Shimano: the 8/9/10/11 speed one, introduced in the 1980s and the newer Microspline for 12v transmissions. As long as you know how many speeds your cassette has, you can't be wrong about the required freehub, also because, there's only two of them. What I don't get is, why was a new freehub needed for 12-speed cassettes? What are the technical differences between the old type and the new Microspline freehubs? Were there viable reasons why they had to change its design to accomodate the latest cassettes that have 12 sprockets, or do you think it was mainly a commercial move to have people change their existing freehubs? Just curious :)
Thanks greatly for explaining. The sram xd free hub can take a lot off punishment. As I ran 12 speed GX for two years. But now have a new Specialized Kenovo Expert and it runs 11 speed Sram PG-1130 but because off the torque of ebike it has gouged the free hub very badly. The material in the free hub is substandard and had to filed the teeth on the 10 & 11th gears and free hub as heavily gouged and worn after 270 miles I mean not a lot off riding and as someone has said the materials used could be a lot better.
Hello there I have two question: 1. Can I upgrade Shimano 11 speed cassette on Specialized Axis 1.0 wheel who originally have 10 speed cassette? 2. Can replace free hub from same Axis 1.0 wheel and upgrade with Sram XD free hub and 11 speed 10-42T cassette?
ive got a 94 Trek Mountain Trek... upgrading the rear. getting a new wheel and open to hub ideas... id love to get a 1x12.... but im not sure even the 135 12speed micro spline will work... I just have no idea.... spit balling. thoughts?
Hi, I have a question to the bike marlin6 (2019) like the one in your videos, can i put the micro spliene without changing the entire mass?( It is the best video I have seen explaining this) thanks
The hub needs to have a slightly longer freehub to accept 11 speed cassette on shimano style. Hubs witch are rated for 11 speed sprockets have a longer freehub and they comme with a small spacer for fewer gears sprockets compatibility.
I have Leaved the Shimano grup becauise of the Freehub Body which get deep Groves from each gear. Your´s are looking perfectly fine but mine hast really deep ones. So since iam Riding my GX with XD Freehub on my 350 Hub... everything is fine! I don´t think with the Micro Spline from Shimani, it will get better, i really don´t think.
I bought Jamis Hardline A2 2021 with Shimano Deore m6100 casette, which is 12-speed, also in stock it cames with MT-410 rear hub but already with microspline! Honestly I don't really like hubs with microspline, because they're very quiet compared to other hubs. So, I think I'm gonna buy another rear hub, but i don't know if the casette will be compatible with 12 speed non-microspline hub
Nice video. Will my Shimano FH-M475 hub w/ 9mm QR be compatible with the XD driver? I might want to upgrade to the SRAM wireless Eagle system w/ 12 speed cassette. Thanks
Your video was very clear, but I want to make sure I understand properly. I have a 2020 Fathom 2 29” with the SX Eagle 12speed. My cassette was not torqued to spec causing premature wear on the freehub. It’s gotten so bad that it needs replacing. According to this video, I need to replace it with the older Shimano design rather than the XD Driver? What makes the SX and GX different from NX and others?
@@LoveMTB Alright, I understand. Finding the part is proving to be rather difficult as I cannot find one for 12 speed. The sizing is confusing to me as well.
Good vid! Thanks. finally a clear answer to my question. I have the cheap sram nx eagle 12 speeds, and I was looking for a 12 speeds shimano hyperglyde freehub! that doesn't exist? I see that your freehubs have also wear damages, mine is such that I can't use the 11cogs anymore. The reason, I think, is that I don't shift much, I like to pedal 'hard' when I climb to muscle my knees (am I the only one with this issue?). or is it because the DT swiss freehub is too cheap? Could you explain how come the 11 speeds shimano hyperglyde is compatible with 12 speeds sram nx eagle? is it because sram cogs are spaced tighter?
@@LoveMTB thanks for you reply! 2:27 confirmed (I read it also somewhere else) me that the 11 speed HG freehub could be used for both 11 sram NX and also 12 sram Eagle NX which might seems strange for a layman like me (I was looking for a 12 speed HG freehub that doesn't exist). I find it disappointing for 3000€ bike (BMC teamelite) to use such a low quality component that becomes defective only after a few months after the 24 months warranty.
I've got a question, my new wheels came with an HG, which was wrong, my old cassette was XD and all my components were gx, so what I've done now is have to buy a new 11 50 nx cassette to fit the HG, in your opinion is this technically a downgrade, is XD better than HG
Hi thank you for this amazing video. I am brand new to mtb. My neighbor donated a 2017 Scott gambler 720 to me before they moved I am trying to upgrade the drive train to something more than 7 speed. It currently has a FORMULA DHL-150 HUB. I can't find anything online on what drive train I can upgrade to. I don't mind spending money to get this to at least 11speed but I would prefer 12 speed. Any chance you might know what the highest drive train I can use? Thank you
I have a question. The 11-51 11 speed shimano 5100 setup uses the old shimano hub. Correct? Would I be correct in saying this is a better choice as I see allot of videos of people complaining about the shimano brand micro spline 12 speed hub for creaking noise. Problem with some plastic clip which they said in the beginning do not lubricate but now they do. I have seen allot of people saying they have had it with the 12 speed hubs from shimano and went with another brand like hope.
Well...the explination was very great but I still have a dumb question to ask. I have a SLX 11Speed cassete. So if I want to upgrade to the Shimano SLX 12 Speed will I need to change the hub? Is that Freehub like an adaptor? Its a little bit confusing. I hope you can understand my question. Thank you
Informative vid, but I need your opinion. I have a 12s sram nx eagle cogs and I'm thinking to pair it with dabomb hub 10-11s compatible but the store said it fit on my 12s cogs. hope you can help me, Thank you
In another video you mentioned the SRAM NX Eagle cassette PG1230 is one of the very few 12 speed cassettes that will work with Shimano HG free hub body. Is this special cassette any thicker than say a 9 speed or 10 speed or 11 speed cassette? Is it able to fit on a frame with 135mm rear spacing? Thanks
Aren't there other manufacturers you can discuss? What about Chris King, Hope, Industry Nine, DT Swiss... how about discussing the technical benefits of some of the other manufacturers products? Back when I used to have to build my bikes individually instead of buying everything from the bike builder with all the components with higher end parts, I would use Chris King hubs. They had smaller engagement angles on their freehub body. Then I got a bike that was all built up with DT Swiss 18 tooth ratchet spline. They have the 36 tooth ratchet spline that offers low engagement angle 360/36= 10deg, but still not as good as Chris King. Can you please make a video that discusses the reasons why someone would choose one brand versus another? What specs to look for?
You're talking about the internals. This video is about the cassette interface, the exterior shape. So as long as you understand which you need, you are free to shop other brands that offer those interfaces.
@@LoveMTB I believe we had some dialogue through comments a year or more ago about DT Swiss. Your videos are always appreciated. I'm pretty pleased with DT Swiss# products. I certainly benefited from your discussion of what was in this video, but I thought it would be nice to break down some more manufacturers as well. I get that the general configurations are defined around what you've laid out, but I'm curious to know more as a basis for justifying selection of any individual manufacturers components toward the individual riding style or duty cycle that the components will be subjected to.
Great video! I just upgraded SRAM 1x11 to Eagle 1x12. I have XD Compatible free hub on my DT Swiss hub. The 1x12 goes on easy enough and I can access all the gears except the 10 tooth cog. There is little clearance between the 10 tooth cog and the frame and the Eagle derailleur won't go out that far even with high screw maxed out. This is a 2017 Pivot Mach 429 with thru axle. Everything I've read says if free hub says 'XD Compatible' this should work but it seems I need a slightly longer free hub or end cap to account for the one extra gear and create the necessary space between the 10 tooth cog and the frame. Any guidance on this is greatly appreciated!!!
@@LoveMTB thanks for reply but that’s not it. I adjusted high screw before installing cable and could see then it could not go far enough to align to the 10t and if it did and chain was on 10t then chain would rub frame. Seems I need a longer end cap? Is that an option? Wish I could attach picture
@@LoveMTB thanks again for reply checked that again multiple times now I've had the cassette on and off. Here's what I don't get: the SRAM 11 Spd cassette is 41mm tall. The 12 speed eagle is 48mm tall. They both appear to have the same inward 'dish' to the largest gear so the 12 speed doesn't sit closer to the spokes best I can tell. So if the cassette is taller and there are no spacers to remove from the 11 speed it seems this is my clearance problem with the frame. How is it supposed to work that a taller 12 speed cassette can work on same free hub as shorter 11 speed? My end cap is 16mm it seems if that was 23mm it would all work. I really appreciate your insights!
@@brettphaneuf It's in the dish. And something else is going one, I have never seen something like you're describing. Unless frame is that old and you don't have nough clearance? You are not using a Boost endcap in a non-Boost setup are you?
Would you say that the new Deore 12s 6100 series is the main feature of the 3 new Deore? Im judging it based on the microspline technology which they only applied on the 12s, not on 11s nor 10s.
I am using shimano Hubs with 12speed deore. I want to change to sram gx 12 speed. My question is, can i just buy an xd driver and replace my microspline driver so that gx can be compatible? Ooor, i will change my whole Rear Hub? Thanks for the answer
What can you tell me about that very last wheel you touch in the video? The Roval. I have a boosted wheel that looks just like this one and I want to upgrade to micro spline but I have no idea who makes a hub that would suit it. Any help would be appreciated.
Yes but in reality there’s no connection between the 2. Xx micro spline are interfaces for the cassette that’s all. Cranks - not as important but chainrings very important. Check my video about the 12s chainrings for a complete picture
I am going into the 3rd week waiting for a delivery for a free hub for my 2020 Specialized Turbo Levo . They say in it shipping but can't say when it will arrive . Summer flying by and I can't ride. The number on mine is fh-mt510-b . Would any of the other models be compatible ?
Greetings...thanks for your enjoyable and informative channel. If I may ask please...I've been looking at the Microshift Advent Drivetrain 10 speed ( 9 also). What hub am I looking for to suit the Microshift? I'm learning and building a MTB Hardtail. I will be running 27.5 tyres...probably 2.8. Any assistance is appreciated in advance. Cheers.
@@LoveMTB...Greetings. I've watched your 4 part series on "How To Build a Bike from Scratch" within the last week. I must say I was guilty of not understanding the rear hub too much? More thinking drivetrain/crankset and not paying enough attention to the HG Freehub body. Not 100% realising that they must all Marry up together ( I mean yes I do understand they must all work/be aligned and work as one unit)...but not knowing the correct sizing, and what goes with what - some chainrings are minus or plus for example. My knowledge is limited, but...each week is getting better haha. I've only decided within the last 2 days that I'm going 1 by 10 (also 9)...as we know limited stock! So I will most definately watch the playlist you have mentioned...thank you LoveMTB. I like your Channel...you seem very genuine and filled with much knowledge, thank YOU kindly for replying. All the Best for The New Year. Cheers.
I have a 9 speed Shimano cassette, will an 11 speed cassette still fit that freehub? Or do I absolutely have to make sure that it has that "1 mm" more of space for "36 mm " total and not "34.9 mm " which wouldn't fit any 11 speed cassette, is that right? And aren't there any longer maybe Lock rings in that case or some other way to make such a conversion possible without changing the freehub? Thanks anyway. Great Videos!
If you are new to this channel . Here you can find lots of honest and needed informations about mtb products .
Thank you for your great work
@@LoveMTB S.O.S my friend, please tell me how can I place a 12sp cassette on a 7sp road wheel? Do I buy a new wheel, a new hub, or I could just place one of those free hubs and job done??
@@LoveMTB I just watched your video again and I think I understand know.. I can keep my 7sp wheel by choosing to use one of the cheaper NX or SX or Deore 12sp cassettes.. Right? (I can only hope 7sp shimano hubs are using the same Freehub body as 8sp)..?
@@LoveMTB ah OK, so I check the free Hub and if it's small then I shall buy a new wheel.. Thank you!
Dude, 4 years later, you are the first one to be clear as crystal about hubs. I spend hours before finding your vid. Many thanks, it helped me A LOT.
Glad to help 🤘
I wish I had found this video before ordering my new wheels 😂, Ive been riding bikes for years and didn't fully understand this 😂
this is the only guy that can explain this idea with any kind of clarity.
This dude is a legend. Answered my naive questions within minutes on Instagram. 🙌🏼🙌🏼
Definitely the most helpful guy , very helpful videos, fast response, by far the best channel out there. 👌🏻👍🏻 TOP!
So true i had learned alot from him and im so thankfull
This is the only video I've found so far, including from SRAM, which tells you that NX and up Eagle cassettes will fit a Shimano hub. Well done!
@@LoveMTB What freehub do you suggest for NX? what is the one in the video? thank you
Best explanation about hubs. Everyone looking for information about hubs won't look any further.
Thank you for your instructional video because I made the mistake by ordering a 12 speed deore cassette and didn't read that it was micro spline so instead of changing out my drive I'm sending it back and my local bike shop has a Sram PG 1230 12 speed cassette. Thanks again for your great instructional videos. Stay blessed and safe.
This solved about an hour of "googling" trying to figure out how to upgrade my drive-train. Thank you!
this is exactly what i was looking for! next week I'm going from 2*10 speed to 1*12 and now i'm sure it will fit :) thanks
Thanks again for another clear and practical explanation.
The idea with HG cassette core was to move the bearings from the middle of the HUB to be more closely as possible to the dropouts. It was very common in the time of "free wheels" cogset to have the axle bent. Unigllide and then HyperGlide manage to fix that problem.
XD and MicroSpline moves the drive side bearing far from the dropouts. From an engineering point of view this is a step back. HyperGlide is a superior design. XD and MicroSpline works because now we have better materials than we had 30 years ago and the axle is an oversized pass though. But the only real benefit of XD and MicroSpline is the 10T cog: nothing more, nothing less.
No wonder the only solution for 135mm QR is the FH-MT500, and maybe this is going to be the less reliable MicroSpline HUB in the lineup (but id does have a oversized axle, tough).
@@LoveMTB you are right on XD, but on Shimano MicroSpline Freehubs the bearing its in the same position as the cassette core pawls, far away from the dropout.
Thank you for your videos. On one of your videos I saw that the MicroSpline Aluminium core gets bites from the cassette: that's another drawback for the new system.
This is exactly what I was looking for. Outstanding!!
Finally a video that explains it in such a simple way. Thank you very much for making this.
I wish this explained the compatibilities with wheels and axles. Which hubs demand specific wheels and axles? How problematic is it to use an existing freewheel setup? What stays, and what must go?
There is no such a thing, they are manufacturer specific
@@LoveMTB so, I am understanding that a rear wheel, a type of freehub, and an axle must always be a set ... Thank you.
I'm from the future 2 years ahead, and I would like to tell you that Deore 12s M6100 uses Microspline (3:10 - 3:16).
thanks, havnt built a bike in 15 years and was getting up to speed on what could fit on the kinds of hubs that fit my old frame and this video helped me
I really needed this right now. Only been riding MTB for a year and now im replacing parts on my "El Cheapo."
@@LoveMTB thanks I will check it out
I have a plan on upgrading my mtb to 12 speed this coming november and I have an HG Shimano freehub body and I was kinda unsure whether the 12 speed cassette would fit or not. After watching this video I really learned a lot and gained more knowledge about the technical know hows of my bike, thank you for the informative and simple vid, thanks a lot, cheers from the philippines
Hi, whats the result?
You were able to install a 12-speed hg cassette in your free hub hg 8-11s?
I intend to do the same
@@muhammad-Redha yo it worked out well as long as you have a compatible shifter to pair with the derailleur
@@nakii7624 thank you so much
Great short video. Very informative for us the new bloods in the game.
Much Much Much Much appreciate. This is exactly the information I am looking for answers. I am building my own bicycle now and with modern technology. things changed and new things came up, making things a lot more complicate when purchasing parts. I m very worried to buy rear gear group since there are freewheel and cassette types.
The wheel I purchased is using spine type (old model), meaning I have to avoid buying free wheel (which is like the SRAM XD hub) type gear group........ with your information, now I know I can still use SRAM, but need to select the NX line.
@@LoveMTB Thank you. Mix match is not a problem.. Just.... I have to be careful how to fit 11 gear group onto a cassette body that was designed for 10 speed and my rear chamber spacing is 135 mm... There are a lot of videos saying it can be installed, some says I will need to file the base of cassette body a bit, and some draw a picture saying there will be a need about 7 mins in total for 11 speed gear group.......
The frame I purchased was designed for 10 speed... And... I have been searched online... Seems.... Go with 11 speed is just the difference of 16 teeth been spouted into 15 and 18 teeth gears.
Go with 11 just sound cool.... But go with 10 speed is not bad as well since the speed of 16 T is not much different from 15T... Well.... But 18T does help a bit in shallow ascending slope....
@@LoveMTB Thank you. I received my wheel (magnesium alloy) and put on the tire, the 11 speed cassette, fortunately, I can still lock the cassett cover and put into thr 135 mm chamber.
Now is just the matter to set up the derailleur.........I purchased 11-52T.....but the RD was said to support 11-50T.......just a bit put of limit...have to adjust the cable....
Do you have videos on this kind of settig? Ove range set up for rear derailleur........
Why doesn’t this video have more likes?? This is a very helpful video!!!!!
Very useful video. I just wish my XD Driver wasn't so loud.
Thanks what hub do you have?
@@LoveMTB I'm kinda new to this, I bought a Specialized Evo Comp last year on a whim. I intended to buy another bike, but of course it was hard to find anything available. This bike just happened to be on display and ready for me to take home. I also happened to like the look, it is blacked-out with matte carbon fiber finish. It's an XC bike which I think it fine with me since I think I'll be riding on asphalt or concrete 50% of the time. I just want one bike, not two or three. My cassette is the SRAM GX with 12 speed. It just seems to make a loud noise when coasting. My first ride was on a a beach boardwalk and I know people could hear me behind them from a long distance, but that is kind of good, because people moved out of my way.
@@RichardsWorld you got a great bike, enjoy it! As for the sound…you might get used to it?😊 and it does come in handy
You are the GURU of freehubs! Thank you for a simple explanation.
Finally someone answers the question of converting my 3x10 to a 1x12! Been researching for quite a while and was giving up going to a 12 speed with my current wheel until this. I've been wanting to convert my 2012 Trek Rumblefish 29er to a 1x and now it appears with the right 12 speed groupset, it should be easy. Thanks!
Keep in mind new bikes are also set up with geometry for 1x. Just because you can doesn't mean it will be right. Off chain lines can cause chain drops, excessive and premature wear on components. BB and crank width plays an important role. Chain guides and early narrow/wide sprockets were only temporary bandaids to technology, not solutions.
Thank you, the only honest hub guy!!!
2:40 this is what I needed to know. Thank you very much
Greeting from Costa Rica.
PD: Awesome video, BTW.
Thanks for this video man! I just bought an XD Freehub for my GX Eagle cassette and I was concerned that it said "11-speed" in the spec. I freaked out for about 5 mins until I ran into your video :)
you just read my mind..you know the answer..good job.
So well explained, as are all of you videos, thx for doing these!
Hi, love the clear description. Query, of the 3 systems which is more durable? With fine contact areas to take the torque how well do the splines on the newer drives from Sram and Shimano hold up to mtb abuse?
The XD Driver
The reason Shimano is using the older style free hub on the Deore 12 speed system is so that those that have older bikes can upgrade to 12 speed without tossing out a working hub. Makes perfect sense to me. You have an older bike you choose Deore. Anything newer you go with XT or XTR.
Shimano now makes FH-MT500, a QR micro spline compatible freehub for those of us still riding QR frames. As far as I know it is the only QR micro spline rear hub on the market.
@@LoveMTB i think Shimano in the future will only make Micro Spline. As i see they are replacing the standar completely
I have the Deore M6100 rear derailleur\cassette combo and can confirm that it DOES use the new Microspline standard :)
THANK YOU excellent and clear explanation!! I have a SRAM 746 rear hub with a 10-42 cassette that is too hi geared for me. I need the Shimano 11-46 cassette. I was wondering if I took the SRAM cassette off with the XD body IF I "could" install the Shimano body onto that hub and install the Shimano 11 speed 11-46 cassette. Looks like I CAN!! Thank YOU!!
@@LoveMTB THANK YOU! Yes I know the Shimano cassette doedn't fit on the XD body. But SRAM makes a freehub FOR Shimano cassettes, that was the freehub body I was going to use. I need the lower gears I do not have the strength to "push" a 10 nor 11 nor 17 tooth cog. Thank you.
Great explanation, m still using free hub style 11-50 tooth gear
Great explanation! Very useful, thank you.
Currently have a Shimano Deore set up and considering upgrading my 3x9 to a 1x11.
Super simple explained, found all I needed to know, thank you so much
Excellent 🎥. Very concise and simple. Thanks again for your work to put it together.
You are the man. Thank you so much for your clarification of this subject.
Very helpful ! It was near impossible to find information on converting my 1990 mountain bike which has a Shimano 3x 6 speed. I ordered a new freehub that is 135 mm to rebuild my wheels that will support the Shimono 11S. So my plan is to put the teagra 4700 group set (2x10) on this bike and convert it to a gravel bike. I had a hard time understanding free hub compatibility and if I understood your video correctly this will work perfectly.
@@LoveMTB I am still confused on whether MTB and Road Freehubs are exactly the same length. Is the MTB freehub 2mm shorter (narrower) than the Road Freehub?? Or, do all Older style freehubs come in the same length whether MTB or Road? If the MTB freehub is 2mm shorter that means I can run an MTB 11s Cassette on the Road freehub (with a spacer), but not run an 11s Road Cassette on a MTB Freehub (as the cassette would be 2mm too long). I could not find any other videos that explained this like you did. Thank you!!
@@LoveMTB Last and final question. You just don't know how helpful this has been! Where can I order a replacement "road" freehub (just the slotted hub part only, not the whole assembly. I would assume that I could remove the MTB hub part (not sure what you call that) and replace it with a Road hub that is 2mm longer.
Very clear explanation. Thank you! Cheers! 🍻
Nice! Exactly the information that i was looking for. So basically i can fit a 12 speed cassete (Sunrace 11-50t) in my HG freehub? I'll be using a Shimano XT M8100 derailleur.
I wish I had it 1 year ago, before expending many hours trying to understand it;-)
Well and clearly explained! All the information that I need is here, thanks bro!
Clarity in under 4min. Thank you.
Why doesn’t this video have more likes?????? This such a helpful video!!!!
Great explanation about such delicated topic. Is it fair to say that an upgrade to 12 speed system the compatibility only depends on the wheel and freehub? Do I need to have any special attention to the frame?
Made everything very clear, thanks alot!!
Your videos are so good. I was wondering, do you have a video about the selection of new parts for a new bike? I am considering sram 12 speed vs shimano 12 speed.
Got my sub..
So if i understand u right, on a Sram NX Eagle 11-50 12-Speed Cassette (PG-1230) does not fit a XD Hub ?
No, NX uses the standard Hyperglide or HG freehub.
And welcome!
Perfect overview thank you
Great video! quick questions, as an example can the shimano deore hubs with the standard shimano freehub be converted to the new micro spline?
Also if you wanted to convert say a shimano deore hubs from 9mm qr to 15mm thru axle, is it as simple as just removing the end piece adapter? I'm just getting into Mountain biking (first legit bike for me) and curious to learn more. Thanks.
Depending on your hub manufacturer. E.g. mavic and novatec allow you to change your freehub body instead of whole hub set. You can checkup for other makes on their websites.
Great video! What freehub body will be compatible with a shimano slx 11speed cassette. I’m new to the sport.. lol
currently looking at a set of wheels that is only available with DT-240S/148mm rear hub and SRAM XD 11/12-speed Cassette compatibility. would I be able to simply change the freehub body to shimano micro spline to work with an xtr 10-51 cassette?
Yes DT swiss provides Micro Spline freehubs for all their hubs currently
Simple video with needed info.. Great Vid.. Thank you
Interesting, just what I needed to know. So basically there are two freehub standards by Shimano: the 8/9/10/11 speed one, introduced in the 1980s and the newer Microspline for 12v transmissions. As long as you know how many speeds your cassette has, you can't be wrong about the required freehub, also because, there's only two of them. What I don't get is, why was a new freehub needed for 12-speed cassettes? What are the technical differences between the old type and the new Microspline freehubs? Were there viable reasons why they had to change its design to accomodate the latest cassettes that have 12 sprockets, or do you think it was mainly a commercial move to have people change their existing freehubs? Just curious :)
Thanks greatly for explaining. The sram xd free hub can take a lot off punishment. As I ran 12 speed GX for two years. But now have a new Specialized Kenovo Expert and it runs 11 speed Sram PG-1130 but because off the torque of ebike it has gouged the free hub very badly. The material in the free hub is substandard and had to filed the teeth on the 10 & 11th gears and free hub as heavily gouged and worn after 270 miles I mean not a lot off riding and as someone has said the materials used could be a lot better.
Hello there I have two question:
1. Can I upgrade Shimano 11 speed cassette on Specialized Axis 1.0 wheel who originally have 10 speed cassette?
2. Can replace free hub from same Axis 1.0 wheel and upgrade with Sram XD free hub and 11 speed 10-42T cassette?
ive got a 94 Trek Mountain Trek... upgrading the rear. getting a new wheel and open to hub ideas... id love to get a 1x12.... but im not sure even the 135 12speed micro spline will work... I just have no idea.... spit balling. thoughts?
Hi, I have a question to the bike marlin6 (2019) like the one in your videos, can i put the micro spliene without changing the entire mass?( It is the best video I have seen explaining this) thanks
The hub needs to have a slightly longer freehub to accept 11 speed cassette on shimano style. Hubs witch are rated for 11 speed sprockets have a longer freehub and they comme with a small spacer for fewer gears sprockets compatibility.
Very clear👍🏻 Perfect.Thanks!
I have Leaved the Shimano grup becauise of the Freehub Body which get deep Groves from each gear.
Your´s are looking perfectly fine but mine hast really deep ones.
So since iam Riding my GX with XD Freehub on my 350 Hub... everything is fine!
I don´t think with the Micro Spline from Shimani, it will get better, i really don´t think.
nice video, this was clear and helpful
Absolutely THANK YOU
I bought Jamis Hardline A2 2021 with Shimano Deore m6100 casette, which is 12-speed, also in stock it cames with MT-410 rear hub but already with microspline! Honestly I don't really like hubs with microspline, because they're very quiet compared to other hubs. So, I think I'm gonna buy another rear hub, but i don't know if the casette will be compatible with 12 speed non-microspline hub
Nice video. Will my Shimano FH-M475 hub w/ 9mm QR be compatible with the XD driver? I might want to upgrade to the SRAM wireless Eagle system w/ 12 speed cassette. Thanks
Thanks for that clarification. 💯
Your video was very clear, but I want to make sure I understand properly. I have a 2020 Fathom 2 29” with the SX Eagle 12speed. My cassette was not torqued to spec causing premature wear on the freehub. It’s gotten so bad that it needs replacing. According to this video, I need to replace it with the older Shimano design rather than the XD Driver? What makes the SX and GX different from NX and others?
@@LoveMTB Alright, I understand. Finding the part is proving to be rather difficult as I cannot find one for 12 speed. The sizing is confusing to me as well.
@@LoveMTB Thanks for your help and for the quick response!
Thanks for this, I'm starting to understand it🤗😁
Good vid! Thanks. finally a clear answer to my question. I have the cheap sram nx eagle 12 speeds, and I was looking for a 12 speeds shimano hyperglyde freehub! that doesn't exist?
I see that your freehubs have also wear damages, mine is such that I can't use the 11cogs anymore. The reason, I think, is that I don't shift much, I like to pedal 'hard' when I climb to muscle my knees (am I the only one with this issue?). or is it because the DT swiss freehub is too cheap? Could you explain how come the 11 speeds shimano hyperglyde is compatible with 12 speeds sram nx eagle? is it because sram cogs are spaced tighter?
@@LoveMTB thanks for you reply! 2:27 confirmed (I read it also somewhere else) me that the 11 speed HG freehub could be used for both 11 sram NX and also 12 sram Eagle NX which might seems strange for a layman like me (I was looking for a 12 speed HG freehub that doesn't exist).
I find it disappointing for 3000€ bike (BMC teamelite) to use such a low quality component that becomes defective only after a few months after the 24 months warranty.
Well done and concise explanation. Thank you!
I've got a question, my new wheels came with an HG, which was wrong, my old cassette was XD and all my components were gx, so what I've done now is have to buy a new 11 50 nx cassette to fit the HG, in your opinion is this technically a downgrade, is XD better than HG
It's a 150 grams downgrade otherwise it will work similar.
Hi thank you for this amazing video. I am brand new to mtb. My neighbor donated a 2017 Scott gambler 720 to me before they moved
I am trying to upgrade the drive train to something more than 7 speed. It currently has a FORMULA DHL-150 HUB. I can't find anything online on what drive train I can upgrade to. I don't mind spending money to get this to at least 11speed but I would prefer 12 speed. Any chance you might know what the highest drive train I can use? Thank you
It turns out even Deore M6100 12s uses the microspline hub and offers the same 10-51 cassette.
I have a question. The 11-51 11 speed shimano 5100 setup uses the old shimano hub. Correct? Would I be correct in saying this is a better choice as I see allot of videos of people complaining about the shimano brand micro spline 12 speed hub for creaking noise. Problem with some plastic clip which they said in the beginning do not lubricate but now they do. I have seen allot of people saying they have had it with the 12 speed hubs from shimano and went with another brand like hope.
Wow. Great explanation. Thanks for keeping it short 👍
Tnis was very helpful. Thank you.
Well...the explination was very great but I still have a dumb question to ask. I have a SLX 11Speed cassete. So if I want to upgrade to the Shimano SLX 12 Speed will I need to change the hub? Is that Freehub like an adaptor? Its a little bit confusing. I hope you can understand my question. Thank you
LoveMTB so I dont need to change the hub which the wheel is built on, right?
Informative vid, but I need your opinion. I have a 12s sram nx eagle cogs and I'm thinking to pair it with dabomb hub 10-11s compatible but the store said it fit on my 12s cogs. hope you can help me, Thank you
In another video you mentioned the SRAM NX Eagle cassette PG1230 is one of the very few 12 speed cassettes that will work with Shimano HG free hub body. Is this special cassette any thicker than say a 9 speed or 10 speed or 11 speed cassette?
Is it able to fit on a frame with 135mm rear spacing?
Thanks
Thank u this video helps me a lot 😀😀😀
Which hub is required by the AdventX Derailleur+cogs? The old Shimano? In the past, I read that it used a freewheel.
Aren't there other manufacturers you can discuss? What about Chris King, Hope, Industry Nine, DT Swiss... how about discussing the technical benefits of some of the other manufacturers products? Back when I used to have to build my bikes individually instead of buying everything from the bike builder with all the components with higher end parts, I would use Chris King hubs. They had smaller engagement angles on their freehub body. Then I got a bike that was all built up with DT Swiss 18 tooth ratchet spline. They have the 36 tooth ratchet spline that offers low engagement angle 360/36= 10deg, but still not as good as Chris King. Can you please make a video that discusses the reasons why someone would choose one brand versus another? What specs to look for?
You're talking about the internals. This video is about the cassette interface, the exterior shape. So as long as you understand which you need, you are free to shop other brands that offer those interfaces.
@@LoveMTB I believe we had some dialogue through comments a year or more ago about DT Swiss. Your videos are always appreciated. I'm pretty pleased with DT Swiss# products. I certainly benefited from your discussion of what was in this video, but I thought it would be nice to break down some more manufacturers as well. I get that the general configurations are defined around what you've laid out, but I'm curious to know more as a basis for justifying selection of any individual manufacturers components toward the individual riding style or duty cycle that the components will be subjected to.
Super helpful video. Thanks.
Great video! I just upgraded SRAM 1x11 to Eagle 1x12. I have XD Compatible free hub on my DT Swiss hub. The 1x12 goes on easy enough and I can access all the gears except the 10 tooth cog. There is little clearance between the 10 tooth cog and the frame and the Eagle derailleur won't go out that far even with high screw maxed out. This is a 2017 Pivot Mach 429 with thru axle. Everything I've read says if free hub says 'XD Compatible' this should work but it seems I need a slightly longer free hub or end cap to account for the one extra gear and create the necessary space between the 10 tooth cog and the frame. Any guidance on this is greatly appreciated!!!
Cable tension then, or remove cable altogether and you should be on tha 10T cog.
@@LoveMTB thanks for reply but that’s not it. I adjusted high screw before installing cable and could see then it could not go far enough to align to the 10t and if it did and chain was on 10t then chain would rub frame. Seems I need a longer end cap? Is that an option? Wish I could attach picture
@@brettphaneuf you did not tighten the cassette properly? 40Nm? Properly seated on the spline?
@@LoveMTB thanks again for reply checked that again multiple times now I've had the cassette on and off. Here's what I don't get: the SRAM 11 Spd cassette is 41mm tall. The 12 speed eagle is 48mm tall. They both appear to have the same inward 'dish' to the largest gear so the 12 speed doesn't sit closer to the spokes best I can tell. So if the cassette is taller and there are no spacers to remove from the 11 speed it seems this is my clearance problem with the frame. How is it supposed to work that a taller 12 speed cassette can work on same free hub as shorter 11 speed? My end cap is 16mm it seems if that was 23mm it would all work. I really appreciate your insights!
@@brettphaneuf It's in the dish. And something else is going one, I have never seen something like you're describing. Unless frame is that old and you don't have nough clearance? You are not using a Boost endcap in a non-Boost setup are you?
Would you say that the new Deore 12s 6100 series is the main feature of the 3 new Deore? Im judging it based on the microspline technology which they only applied on the 12s, not on 11s nor 10s.
I am using shimano Hubs with 12speed deore.
I want to change to sram gx 12 speed.
My question is, can i just buy an xd driver and replace my microspline driver so that gx can be compatible?
Ooor, i will change my whole Rear Hub?
Thanks for the answer
Well done, very informative!
What can you tell me about that very last wheel you touch in the video? The Roval. I have a boosted wheel that looks just like this one and I want to upgrade to micro spline but I have no idea who makes a hub that would suit it. Any help would be appreciated.
I haven't been able to find a clear answer on this but does XD/XDR or Microspline work with any crankset provided it's designed for the right speed?
Yes but in reality there’s no connection between the 2. Xx micro spline are interfaces for the cassette that’s all. Cranks - not as important but chainrings very important. Check my video about the 12s chainrings for a complete picture
Can we replace the freehub body of XTR M9100 from Microspline to the previous 11 speed freehub body? I like the silent system of the new XTR hub.
I am going into the 3rd week waiting for a delivery for a free hub for my 2020 Specialized Turbo Levo . They say in it shipping but can't say when it will arrive . Summer flying by and I can't ride. The number on mine is fh-mt510-b . Would any of the other models be compatible ?
All good except theres two lengths of the og shimano freehub body. shoter for 8,9,10 and 1.8mm longer for 11speed
@@LoveMTBIsnt it that a 11speed mtb cassette does not fit the shorter body, or the longer body with the spacer?
@@LoveMTB Ok I watched too many roadie videos. Ur right!! This saved me from buying an extra wheel!! 💪Thanks man! 😊
Greetings...thanks for your enjoyable and informative channel. If I may ask please...I've been looking at the Microshift Advent Drivetrain 10 speed ( 9 also). What hub am I looking for to suit the Microshift? I'm learning and building a MTB Hardtail. I will be running 27.5 tyres...probably 2.8. Any assistance is appreciated in advance. Cheers.
@@LoveMTB...Greetings. I've watched your 4 part series on "How To Build a Bike from Scratch" within the last week. I must say I was guilty of not understanding the rear hub too much? More thinking drivetrain/crankset and not paying enough attention to the HG Freehub body. Not 100% realising that they must all Marry up together ( I mean yes I do understand they must all work/be aligned and work as one unit)...but not knowing the correct sizing, and what goes with what - some chainrings are minus or plus for example. My knowledge is limited, but...each week is getting better haha. I've only decided within the last 2 days that I'm going 1 by 10 (also 9)...as we know limited stock! So I will most definately watch the playlist you have mentioned...thank you LoveMTB. I like your Channel...you seem very genuine and filled with much knowledge, thank YOU kindly for replying. All the Best for The New Year. Cheers.
I didn't hear anything about rear axel width 135 or 142mm. I heard 135mm XD was limited to 11 speeds on upgraded hubs.
Bonjour, j'ai un vtt en 2x10 shimano deodore. Je vais passé en 1x11. (11/52T) j'espère que ça va aller dessus. Merci
I have a 9 speed Shimano cassette, will an 11 speed cassette still fit that freehub? Or do I absolutely have to make sure that it has that "1 mm" more of space for "36 mm " total and not "34.9 mm " which wouldn't fit any 11 speed cassette, is that right? And aren't there any longer maybe Lock rings in that case or some other way to make such a conversion possible without changing the freehub?
Thanks anyway. Great Videos!
@@LoveMTB Thx, this channel is a great finding
So I can fit 12 speed sram sx or nx to my 2018 marlin 6 stock freehub, right?
Why don’t bike shop what to convert an 9 speed XT hub in to an 11 or 12 speed cassette?
I have a 9 speed shimano free hub with a 142 boost hub will I be able to fit a sram nx cassette to it
So helpful thank you!