The best metric for healers is combined healer damage, which is ranked in fflogs. It’s great because it requires both healers to work together to share healing and plan cooldowns to minimize gcd heals. Also, comparing healing numbers is hard because a lot of it depends on the mitigation abilities from tanks/dps and whether people fail mechanics. If everyone does their job perfectly, there’s actually less overall damage and so your healing parse will look worse. It’s totally possible for both healers to gray parse in healing without making any mistakes or causing deaths.
fflogs is a great tool for learning your class and you can see other people's rotation in a certain phase if you want to output as much dps as possible, but obviously people are using it the wrong way. You can play the samurai to have the highest damage output, but without learning your class, you'd be dealing a subpar damage which can hinder the static or party. tl;dr it's a great tool for learning your class, just don't be toxic
Agreed. I dont use logs, but my static members do and only use it to figure out where they can do better, they are allowed to give feedback to me though, and they are also great friends, and are being very nice about it if they give me constructive critisism. Looking at numbers stresses me out so much, lol.
@@katy9291 Yeah that's why I don't have the UI open so I don't see the numbers lol but yeah, it's also a great tool for checking out how you died in the mechanics, if it was lack of HP, mits or both. As long as people don't get toxic to you, it's fine.
@@CTN404 Yeah that's what's sad about it. People getting toxic. It's always gonna be human nature to be competitive, but it's unhealthy if it's to the point you're degrading people because of it.
Well when you job is a healer of course. If you don't want to heal then be a dps. I can't stand healers who don't heal properly, I burn through all my dps healing abilities because the healer is too busy doing dps and then if the healer dies I'm screwed
if logs were private then most non-casual statics would just make you share a pic of it to even think about getting in statics, tho i do think perhaps it would be used less overall if it was 100% private
Exactly. In ESO you're expected to parse on a dummy in game and then screenshot the results to get accepted to anything serious. Would be the same thing here.
@@Kuroganemk2 that's not faking the good ones, though, just filtering out sub par performances. Getting an orange parse is getting an orange parse, it still requires you to execute your rotation and keep uptime while avoiding mechanics, showing you are competent. It's highly unlikely a grey parser is going to have a single orange run and then hide all the grey to misrepresent. Healer parses might be the exception because, depending on the fight, it might be "fake" in the sense they threw all the healing to their partner while they solely parsed, which wouldn't be a great indication of their overall utility and skill.
@@Kuroganemk2 actually yeah, sorry for your lack of critical thinking. Faking a parse.... yes bc any shitter can just mash buttons all the last way to orange lmao
I don't do sav prog (cause I honestly don't think I have the sanity to do them) but I've been doing all of this expansion's EXs 'cause they're fun and have a difficulty level that suits me. On the note of healers....I progged Storm's Crown as SGE and I like farming EX's for loot (or just helping others get that clear), but there is a scary amount of healers in farm groups that either don't heal or don't heal when they need to heal. Too many times have I seen half of the party being killed after being hit by Aero IV and the un-telegraphed aoe after that one. Or die to the stack after tangles cause they ran low on the bleed effect. Now don't get me wrong, I always preferred healing and planning ahead to mitigate/shield as much dmg as I could cause that is fun to me. So I don't get annoyed when WHM's or AST's only heal during the heavy dmg parts, I do get annoyed though when I am killed, we got 1-2 others dead as well, and I see my co-heal carrying on dps'ing and not even trying to ress me when I know there is time to do a hard ress. (Especially if a mechanic is coming up where we need everyone alive....) ...........This turned out more ranty than I intended lol. Apologies. =')
Problem with healers parsing healing is that you either need to be solo healer, or your cohealer only assistig you with cd coverage. Which leads us here.
I understand Logs as a form of improvement and looking at the different components of a fight and how it went, to study and understand a rotation and maximize your efficiency should you chose to do so. But at the end of the day it’s optional, everyone shouldn’t be obligated to use it. At the end of the day FF14 Is a video game and it will never be anything more than a video game. That tool to view people’s damage and healing etc is ultimately always going to end up being used in a toxic way and used to trash someone for not doing enough. It’s just inevitable for it to end up that way, People get too competitive and get too self absorbed into what they can do or how they’re better than someone else. I understand the self improvement part but again I think it’s used in the bad way more than it’s used in a good way
It's important to realize that parsing well on a Healer is a completely different thing than parsing on any other role, and unless you've played an optimized healer in endgame content you should take a moment before commenting on it with assumptions. SGE currently has the highest HPS (heals per second) potential out of all of the healers, and WHM has the lowest. If you're playing in an optimized setting, such as a static like these people were, then it should be well expected for the SGE to out heal the WHM as SGE's healing is strong, free, and their cooldowns are relatively short. Now we don't know just how these fights shook out, we don't know if the SGE was unwilling or unable to optimize with the WHM, nor do we know how the group as a whole was performing in terms of mitigation, something WHM lacks in comparison to the other healers. Basically, we don't know the whole picture, just because this guy flamed doesn't mean he's absolutely in the right. That being said, as a healer main, it's absolutely important to me to work together with my cohealer to optimize our kit synergy so we can both dps as much as possible and heal as little as needed. Rolling out of a comfy clear with both you and your cohealer parsing orange or pink and both with grey healing is fun and is earned through trust in each other and trust in the group as a whole.
The best take I’ve seen! Everyone was super concerned with the parse but you could see the casts and I saw a lot of afflatus raptures and few medicas. I agree we don’t know the entire story and honestly outside looking in these two healers just may not heal well together. Neither may be bad or good they just may not make a good team. It happens
It's tough because everything is gauged with DPS checks and value isn't determined by other things. It's a shame because using healing and support for value of certain classes would be more helpful. This is also why they don't want to add parsing to the base game. Toxicity just follows that.
"It doesn't matter if someone has the best parse in the world, they can still be not the greatest player" is a huge understatement. I once did a trial roulette where I met a 99-parsing DNC who didn't understand how the dance partner mechanic, literally the main gimmick of the whole job, worked. They were a MCH at the time with 3 DNCs in the party, and they told the two DNCs who didn't partner them to partner the _tanks_ because they thought DNCs partnering _each other_ works the same way as multiple DNCs partnering one other person. They didn't understand that the standard step buffs you get for being the _dancer_ and for being the _dance partner_ are two different buffs and that you can have your own standard step buff _and_ someone else's standard step buff at the same time and the buffs do stack. It's exactly the same as two DRGs giving each other their eyes. At the time I was like "Well obviously they just don't play DNC and don't know how it works" but when I looked them up on FFlogs and found out they're a freaking 99 DNC I was absolutely flabbergasted.
So if you do some digging about that group: -> Mitigation was neglectfully done, not really well executed. -> the White Mage was criminally underusing their tools My White Mage and I are about even on healing and on low greys since we actually make our grp do their share of the work - aka pressing mitigation buttons. Healing is therefor important to do on tanks and DPS more so than people think, so please do not say it is pointless. This game - especially during earlier weeks of new tiers - is designed around us healers dealing damage. If they do not, the enrages will be failed. TL/DR: Press your mitigations and self heals, then the healers can see how much they actually need to do, but definitely do not wipe the party just for 1 Medica II, that is not worth. D o n o t s i t on c o o l d o w n s
9:50 You need the dps side of healing when you’re not in dungeons. Healing is priority, granted, but you need a side if dps to throw down some damage to defend yourself i mean
True, but dps do more damage and if they die because the healer isn't healing then its pointless! Share the healing and dps, because you have cooldowns so work together
This is raiding. A pve game mode. What are you talking about? Who are you competing against and what exactly will you win by wiping your team over and over again to maximize a number that is completely irrelevant if your party actually clears the fight? I can understand competition in pvp games and I did play a couple of those with the most toxic communities. But not in a pve game mode.
@@oszaszi same as any leaderboard, it's nice to see your own performance relative to everyone else and a good opportunity to learn where you can maximise your efforts to make clears faster, smoother and less burden on your teammates. There's an argument to be made for anonymising the data, but the data should still be available for everyone to use if they choose to.
It’s a competition against people playing the same job if you wanna see it that way, trying to compete with other dps on the meter is dumb, you think a dancer is going to compete samurai?
@@JessehPlaysGames then let them die. let them know that their suggestion is useless. It might be toxic, but some people without a healer background should just stfu.
@@JessehPlaysGames bless you! It’s been a thing lately. We have 2 healers but we really have only have 1. I don’t play jobs with a rez cause sometimes the healers won’t even raise. A SAM or MNK will be left dead for a whole fight
@@CTN404 I don't really give a damn about my dps parse, I'll just dps when needed and prep heals when needed or I did not played cuase I quit after that pretty much :s
>_> Healers absolutely need to DPS.. every bit of damage matters - /every/ bit. If a healer can't figure out when to heal and when to DPS, they need to figure it out and practice to find that balance or find another job.
Honestly the biggest problem for healer parsing is that they don't understand what's a good metric for healing. DPS is something that every player needs to bring, but healers specifically have to also look at minimizing their over-heal. A high heal parse is bad because it often means that your overheal is really high. Also, I don't know who told you that healers need to 'take turns' parsing but that's a really toxic mentality. Healers basically need to work together in order to reduce the amount of GCDs used to heal things, not just leave all the healing to one healer. The best healers in the world work as a unit, understanding that each of them is just half of the overall healing kit for the group. Healers also have to rely very heavily on their group to actually hit mitigation buttons frequently to get a good parse. Bearing all this in mind, the best healers also understand that there's a time and place for GCD heals, so it's nearly impossible to parse well in PF unless you're specifically sabotaging your cohealer. Every once in a while you'll run into a good cohealer that will watch what you're doing and understand where and what you're trying to heal and you just kind of click in such a way that you aren't really overlapping all that much because you understand each other's intent and reasoning, but that's EXTREMELY rare. Finding groups that actually utilize their mitigation properly is even rarer, so healers can only reliably get good parses while keeping the party alive in a static environment. As someone who has been a raid lead and has been in many higher end statics, we tend to actively avoid healers that have a huge disparity in healing between the two healers because it shows a lack of effort and teamwork. If a healer's logs shows that they consistently have greys in healing while their partners are always purple or more, those healers are to be avoided like the plague regardless what their damage number is.
I was part of a group doing Diamond Weapon EX when it was new and barely anyone knew the mechs. Our WHM also focused solely on DPS rather than healing, and we were in voice chat with them telling them we needed heals (sometimes outright begging), and they just said "play better". After our 4th wipe, we tried to discuss everything going on and the WHM claimed they were doing their job perfectly, and that everyone else just needs to stop bitching and quit standing in everything. Some of us wanted to kick them, but they were friends with the guy who organized the party, so they had to stay. The runs went on for several hours and we only got 1 clear (they finally started healing a bit more), but not before roughly 13 or 14 wipes. Needless to say, I've not stepped into another bit of content with them since.
the thing about healer parses is that the LOWER your healing, the better the parse. so it still doesn't solve anything graying out damage since you'll be doing damage when youre not healing anyways. and the game is hugely designed around every job doing damage. back in ARR and even some of heavensward, healers doing damage was seen as a crime. it was a terrible mindset where healers just kind of sat there twiddling their thumbs waiting for damage to happen. most of the healing in this game is just 2 secs of burst healing, waiting every 30-40 secs for a tank buster that tanks can already heal themselves or invuln, and the odd mech where you take sustained raid wides with no follow ups.
I literally gave up this game after being compared to those kind of things. As AST I was occupied by pulling cards and giving regen, while the other White Mage literally spam his DPS skills, if this was the strategy I was literally ok, but after the end of the raid the leader was talking about things like: "You didn't do that much damage." But ??? Why a healer need to Deal a huge DPS while some DPS was still dying for mechanics, and the same time, people were so impressive for the damage that White mage done... But no one thought that the White mage was able to do that, because I was always healing for him... So sad spent like 600hours on it to see those kind of "problems..." I'm sorry if you think different, and think that Healer need to deal a massive DPS... But for me it would be awesome to be recognized for literally making a good heal and letting no one die...
Spot on! Half the reason I'm done with this game is healers don't want to heal half the time and just want to dps, well do a dps job. Alot constantly complain about healing... makes no sense, especially in normal content
Ok this person just seemed to shut their mouth about greedy healer and now was fed up to the max. Holy moly. Plus: I never ever heared someone being so mad and make such a sweet compliment to the healer like on 06:40 I kinda understand him though. Because some people just do not care for their own grp and see them as a tool to get what they want. But that was- over the top O_O
It’s good to dps as a healer as it does make the fight faster, but barely healing at all and making your co-healer suffer (unless you discussed this) just so you have a good parse, that’s where I draw the line.
NA and EU having healer shortage while here on Elementals were having tank shortage. It sometimes taking an hour waiting for 1 more tank even during peak hours. Players, especially content creators/streamers, saying that devs should put a dmg meter in game so there’s no need for a 3rd party tool coz it will help players improve. But the fact is there is no dmg meter ingame and people are still getting toxic because of it. I also agree on the notion that there should be a dmg meter, I too am using a 3rd party tool, but I do think that the real problem is the website. Coz right now its only purpose is for bragging rights.
Healers need "some" dps but I agree it shouldn't be the focused on metric for then. I've been in a static with a zero dps healer and it was miserable, so I can understand both sides.
looked into it a bit when it was current drama, tbh there were alot more issues with the static. I think the whm had a bad attitude in chat but really wasn't the total problem. lots of other people didn't use mitigation at all, hardly the whms falt exclusively if you watch the video they made more carefully. tank literally plays with with an ultimate totem counter in the top right...
Because some people think that this will make a huge difference in the end of the Raid... This is something that need to be considered after a long time playing with the same party and both healers want to make things a little different than before.
healing is strange in this game, i feel like they should design it in a way where healers are mostly healing and not dpsing 85-90% of the time .. and this pharsing site or whatever should take into account how much you heald too for your "dps" pharse, if u can just let the other healer do all the healing and ur pure dps its not hard to get a good pharse .. its dumb. fights should require TWO healers healing and not just sometimes. make healers hardcast heals, whatever this "healer" roll in ff14 is, dosnt feel like a real healer feels more like a support.
Lol that's what you think ...if someone knows what party you were in they can just look up someone else and still see your parse for that particular fight.
Lol that is funny af! I'm tired of healers complaining about having to heal all the time lately! If you want to dps then be a dps. I'm glad someone is calling out these people, self entitled brats
All this talk about parsing, but isn't parsing banable? I understand why people do it, but I think it puts too much pressure on what should be chill gameplay.
if they're not keeping people alive then yeah, this tier really needs you to be smart about it but low healing parse isn't bad on its own, for anyone reading. they got through it, so the damage is good enough at least cause its tight rn lol
This is why Yoshi P does not like parsing software like ACT and why I fully support a ban of anyone who get's caught using them. It breeds this kind of toxicity. Again if you use it. Keep it to yourself and never mention it in game or on discord. I hate this level of toxicity so naturally I'm against the thing that causes it.
Devs should ban this player for this. It's one thing to be frustrated but that doesn't justify abusing other players. I would've reported the player if they screamed at me like that. I'm not defending the healer. They were wrong for focusing on dps over healing. Dps should only be done if there's no one to heal or if you can weave it in gcd. Otherwise you should be primarily focused on healing.
Is nobody going to mention the SYNCHRONIZED laughter. That was actual fucking gold
The best metric for healers is combined healer damage, which is ranked in fflogs. It’s great because it requires both healers to work together to share healing and plan cooldowns to minimize gcd heals.
Also, comparing healing numbers is hard because a lot of it depends on the mitigation abilities from tanks/dps and whether people fail mechanics. If everyone does their job perfectly, there’s actually less overall damage and so your healing parse will look worse. It’s totally possible for both healers to gray parse in healing without making any mistakes or causing deaths.
fflogs is a great tool for learning your class and you can see other people's rotation in a certain phase if you want to output as much dps as possible, but obviously people are using it the wrong way. You can play the samurai to have the highest damage output, but without learning your class, you'd be dealing a subpar damage which can hinder the static or party.
tl;dr it's a great tool for learning your class, just don't be toxic
Agreed. I dont use logs, but my static members do and only use it to figure out where they can do better, they are allowed to give feedback to me though, and they are also great friends, and are being very nice about it if they give me constructive critisism. Looking at numbers stresses me out so much, lol.
@@katy9291 Yeah that's why I don't have the UI open so I don't see the numbers lol but yeah, it's also a great tool for checking out how you died in the mechanics, if it was lack of HP, mits or both. As long as people don't get toxic to you, it's fine.
@@Magflyer problem is. People are getting toxic about it. It’s ridiculous
@@CTN404 Yeah that's what's sad about it. People getting toxic. It's always gonna be human nature to be competitive, but it's unhealthy if it's to the point you're degrading people because of it.
how do i compare logs? i still dont understand fflogs and want to do better
i see a lot of people clearly not understandig how bad a 0% healing parse is, you are literally not playing the game at that point
Well when you job is a healer of course. If you don't want to heal then be a dps. I can't stand healers who don't heal properly, I burn through all my dps healing abilities because the healer is too busy doing dps and then if the healer dies I'm screwed
if logs were private then most non-casual statics would just make you share a pic of it to even think about getting in statics, tho i do think perhaps it would be used less overall if it was 100% private
Exactly. In ESO you're expected to parse on a dummy in game and then screenshot the results to get accepted to anything serious. Would be the same thing here.
You can kind of fake good logs though if you are in a static, don't have to upload the shitty ones if everyone agrees.
@@Kuroganemk2 that's not faking the good ones, though, just filtering out sub par performances. Getting an orange parse is getting an orange parse, it still requires you to execute your rotation and keep uptime while avoiding mechanics, showing you are competent. It's highly unlikely a grey parser is going to have a single orange run and then hide all the grey to misrepresent. Healer parses might be the exception because, depending on the fight, it might be "fake" in the sense they threw all the healing to their partner while they solely parsed, which wouldn't be a great indication of their overall utility and skill.
@@regulator18E Nah.
@@Kuroganemk2 actually yeah, sorry for your lack of critical thinking. Faking a parse.... yes bc any shitter can just mash buttons all the last way to orange lmao
I don't do sav prog (cause I honestly don't think I have the sanity to do them) but I've been doing all of this expansion's EXs 'cause they're fun and have a difficulty level that suits me. On the note of healers....I progged Storm's Crown as SGE and I like farming EX's for loot (or just helping others get that clear), but there is a scary amount of healers in farm groups that either don't heal or don't heal when they need to heal. Too many times have I seen half of the party being killed after being hit by Aero IV and the un-telegraphed aoe after that one. Or die to the stack after tangles cause they ran low on the bleed effect. Now don't get me wrong, I always preferred healing and planning ahead to mitigate/shield as much dmg as I could cause that is fun to me. So I don't get annoyed when WHM's or AST's only heal during the heavy dmg parts, I do get annoyed though when I am killed, we got 1-2 others dead as well, and I see my co-heal carrying on dps'ing and not even trying to ress me when I know there is time to do a hard ress. (Especially if a mechanic is coming up where we need everyone alive....)
...........This turned out more ranty than I intended lol. Apologies. =')
Lacrimosa in the original VOD background just ties everything together so nicely.
Problem with healers parsing healing is that you either need to be solo healer, or your cohealer only assistig you with cd coverage. Which leads us here.
I understand Logs as a form of improvement and looking at the different components of a fight and how it went, to study and understand a rotation and maximize your efficiency should you chose to do so. But at the end of the day it’s optional, everyone shouldn’t be obligated to use it. At the end of the day FF14 Is a video game and it will never be anything more than a video game. That tool to view people’s damage and healing etc is ultimately always going to end up being used in a toxic way and used to trash someone for not doing enough. It’s just inevitable for it to end up that way,
People get too competitive and get too self absorbed into what they can do or how they’re better than someone else. I understand the self improvement part but again I think it’s used in the bad way more than it’s used in a good way
It's important to realize that parsing well on a Healer is a completely different thing than parsing on any other role, and unless you've played an optimized healer in endgame content you should take a moment before commenting on it with assumptions. SGE currently has the highest HPS (heals per second) potential out of all of the healers, and WHM has the lowest. If you're playing in an optimized setting, such as a static like these people were, then it should be well expected for the SGE to out heal the WHM as SGE's healing is strong, free, and their cooldowns are relatively short. Now we don't know just how these fights shook out, we don't know if the SGE was unwilling or unable to optimize with the WHM, nor do we know how the group as a whole was performing in terms of mitigation, something WHM lacks in comparison to the other healers. Basically, we don't know the whole picture, just because this guy flamed doesn't mean he's absolutely in the right. That being said, as a healer main, it's absolutely important to me to work together with my cohealer to optimize our kit synergy so we can both dps as much as possible and heal as little as needed. Rolling out of a comfy clear with both you and your cohealer parsing orange or pink and both with grey healing is fun and is earned through trust in each other and trust in the group as a whole.
The best take I’ve seen! Everyone was super concerned with the parse but you could see the casts and I saw a lot of afflatus raptures and few medicas. I agree we don’t know the entire story and honestly outside looking in these two healers just may not heal well together. Neither may be bad or good they just may not make a good team. It happens
Spam one glare button to get a good parse vs. playing dps with a whole rotation to memorize and get good parse. 🤔
It's tough because everything is gauged with DPS checks and value isn't determined by other things. It's a shame because using healing and support for value of certain classes would be more helpful.
This is also why they don't want to add parsing to the base game. Toxicity just follows that.
And yet people still use parsing software and I've even seen discords in their LFG threads asking for logs. I'm like you just asking to get banned?
fflogs has a category for healer combined damage, which would be a better metric than a single healer's rdps imo
That guy took like 1 breath the entire time.
"It doesn't matter if someone has the best parse in the world, they can still be not the greatest player" is a huge understatement. I once did a trial roulette where I met a 99-parsing DNC who didn't understand how the dance partner mechanic, literally the main gimmick of the whole job, worked. They were a MCH at the time with 3 DNCs in the party, and they told the two DNCs who didn't partner them to partner the _tanks_ because they thought DNCs partnering _each other_ works the same way as multiple DNCs partnering one other person. They didn't understand that the standard step buffs you get for being the _dancer_ and for being the _dance partner_ are two different buffs and that you can have your own standard step buff _and_ someone else's standard step buff at the same time and the buffs do stack. It's exactly the same as two DRGs giving each other their eyes. At the time I was like "Well obviously they just don't play DNC and don't know how it works" but when I looked them up on FFlogs and found out they're a freaking 99 DNC I was absolutely flabbergasted.
Never seen someone pop off like that before, good lawd lmao
@The Wacko for real lmao
Although what he’s complaining about may be valid he sounds like such a baby the way he’s talking.
So if you do some digging about that group:
-> Mitigation was neglectfully done, not really well executed.
-> the White Mage was criminally underusing their tools
My White Mage and I are about even on healing and on low greys since we actually make our grp do their share of the work - aka pressing mitigation buttons. Healing is therefor important to do on tanks and DPS more so than people think, so please do not say it is pointless. This game - especially during earlier weeks of new tiers - is designed around us healers dealing damage. If they do not, the enrages will be failed.
TL/DR: Press your mitigations and self heals, then the healers can see how much they actually need to do, but definitely do not wipe the party just for 1 Medica II, that is not worth.
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Exactly! Healers should share the load of dps and healing because of cooldowns, work together and don't leave 1 job to 1 thing
9:50 You need the dps side of healing when you’re not in dungeons. Healing is priority, granted, but you need a side if dps to throw down some damage to defend yourself i mean
True, but dps do more damage and if they die because the healer isn't healing then its pointless! Share the healing and dps, because you have cooldowns so work together
Yeah but if your party is dying due to no heals...the dps wont be doing as much dps as they could be doing.
Making logs private is a terrible idea. The competition is fun. That being said, holding your logs as a form of self worth is terrible too.
This is raiding. A pve game mode. What are you talking about? Who are you competing against and what exactly will you win by wiping your team over and over again to maximize a number that is completely irrelevant if your party actually clears the fight? I can understand competition in pvp games and I did play a couple of those with the most toxic communities. But not in a pve game mode.
@@oszaszi then you will never understand. so I won't waste my time trying to explain to you
@@oszaszi ever heard of speedrunning? That’s an example of pve competition. It has its place in pve games and even in raiding
@@oszaszi same as any leaderboard, it's nice to see your own performance relative to everyone else and a good opportunity to learn where you can maximise your efforts to make clears faster, smoother and less burden on your teammates.
There's an argument to be made for anonymising the data, but the data should still be available for everyone to use if they choose to.
It’s a competition against people playing the same job if you wanna see it that way, trying to compete with other dps on the meter is dumb, you think a dancer is going to compete samurai?
My old static was flaming me for healing more than dps parsing
That’s cos you gotta find a balance. Over healing is equally as useless as not healing
@@enyaliosares4301 i keept them alive ehile other healer didnt heal at all xd
@@JessehPlaysGames then let them die. let them know that their suggestion is useless. It might be toxic, but some people without a healer background should just stfu.
@@JessehPlaysGames bless you! It’s been a thing lately. We have 2 healers but we really have only have 1. I don’t play jobs with a rez cause sometimes the healers won’t even raise. A SAM or MNK will be left dead for a whole fight
@@CTN404 I don't really give a damn about my dps parse, I'll just dps when needed and prep heals when needed or I did not played cuase I quit after that pretty much :s
10:45 I 100% disagree vercure and second wind are why I play dps
bloodbath>beni
I also main WAR if u couldn’t tell :>
>_> Healers absolutely need to DPS.. every bit of damage matters - /every/ bit. If a healer can't figure out when to heal and when to DPS, they need to figure it out and practice to find that balance or find another job.
Honestly the biggest problem for healer parsing is that they don't understand what's a good metric for healing. DPS is something that every player needs to bring, but healers specifically have to also look at minimizing their over-heal. A high heal parse is bad because it often means that your overheal is really high. Also, I don't know who told you that healers need to 'take turns' parsing but that's a really toxic mentality. Healers basically need to work together in order to reduce the amount of GCDs used to heal things, not just leave all the healing to one healer. The best healers in the world work as a unit, understanding that each of them is just half of the overall healing kit for the group. Healers also have to rely very heavily on their group to actually hit mitigation buttons frequently to get a good parse.
Bearing all this in mind, the best healers also understand that there's a time and place for GCD heals, so it's nearly impossible to parse well in PF unless you're specifically sabotaging your cohealer. Every once in a while you'll run into a good cohealer that will watch what you're doing and understand where and what you're trying to heal and you just kind of click in such a way that you aren't really overlapping all that much because you understand each other's intent and reasoning, but that's EXTREMELY rare. Finding groups that actually utilize their mitigation properly is even rarer, so healers can only reliably get good parses while keeping the party alive in a static environment.
As someone who has been a raid lead and has been in many higher end statics, we tend to actively avoid healers that have a huge disparity in healing between the two healers because it shows a lack of effort and teamwork. If a healer's logs shows that they consistently have greys in healing while their partners are always purple or more, those healers are to be avoided like the plague regardless what their damage number is.
I was part of a group doing Diamond Weapon EX when it was new and barely anyone knew the mechs. Our WHM also focused solely on DPS rather than healing, and we were in voice chat with them telling them we needed heals (sometimes outright begging), and they just said "play better". After our 4th wipe, we tried to discuss everything going on and the WHM claimed they were doing their job perfectly, and that everyone else just needs to stop bitching and quit standing in everything. Some of us wanted to kick them, but they were friends with the guy who organized the party, so they had to stay. The runs went on for several hours and we only got 1 clear (they finally started healing a bit more), but not before roughly 13 or 14 wipes. Needless to say, I've not stepped into another bit of content with them since.
Why'd you stay? Just go, find another party. Several hours were wasted for no reason.
Rule No. 1 in party finder. You are the only healer.
the thing about healer parses is that the LOWER your healing, the better the parse. so it still doesn't solve anything graying out damage since you'll be doing damage when youre not healing anyways. and the game is hugely designed around every job doing damage. back in ARR and even some of heavensward, healers doing damage was seen as a crime. it was a terrible mindset where healers just kind of sat there twiddling their thumbs waiting for damage to happen. most of the healing in this game is just 2 secs of burst healing, waiting every 30-40 secs for a tank buster that tanks can already heal themselves or invuln, and the odd mech where you take sustained raid wides with no follow ups.
I think the one going off is the streamer, since they were the lootmaster right?
yes, it was the streamer
04:40 i feel like he said that "leave voice chat" line over a cod match before
I literally gave up this game after being compared to those kind of things. As AST I was occupied by pulling cards and giving regen, while the other White Mage literally spam his DPS skills, if this was the strategy I was literally ok, but after the end of the raid the leader was talking about things like: "You didn't do that much damage." But ??? Why a healer need to Deal a huge DPS while some DPS was still dying for mechanics, and the same time, people were so impressive for the damage that White mage done... But no one thought that the White mage was able to do that, because I was always healing for him... So sad spent like 600hours on it to see those kind of "problems..." I'm sorry if you think different, and think that Healer need to deal a massive DPS... But for me it would be awesome to be recognized for literally making a good heal and letting no one die...
I have passed savage raids with the healers barely doing any dps. Just need the dps and tanks doing as much damage as possible
Healers should focus on heals.
And FFlogs should be private. The end.
Spot on! Half the reason I'm done with this game is healers don't want to heal half the time and just want to dps, well do a dps job. Alot constantly complain about healing... makes no sense, especially in normal content
Ok this person just seemed to shut their mouth about greedy healer and now was fed up to the max.
Holy moly.
Plus: I never ever heared someone being so mad and make such a sweet compliment to the healer like on 06:40
I kinda understand him though.
Because some people just do not care for their own grp and see them as a tool to get what they want.
But that was- over the top O_O
I don’t hide logs because it’s shows progress, from green to orange/pink. Feels good to see the progress and not just leave the high parses
0% healing that guy is somthing else guys .
It’s good to dps as a healer as it does make the fight faster, but barely healing at all and making your co-healer suffer (unless you discussed this) just so you have a good parse, that’s where I draw the line.
I remember having healer and tank shortage during ARR. It's how you job exclusive mounts :D
NA and EU having healer shortage while here on Elementals were having tank shortage. It sometimes taking an hour waiting for 1 more tank even during peak hours.
Players, especially content creators/streamers, saying that devs should put a dmg meter in game so there’s no need for a 3rd party tool coz it will help players improve. But the fact is there is no dmg meter ingame and people are still getting toxic because of it. I also agree on the notion that there should be a dmg meter, I too am using a 3rd party tool, but I do think that the real problem is the website. Coz right now its only purpose is for bragging rights.
I main healer and I dont see the healer shortage. I had to lvl my bard to 90 just so I can get into groups. I Always see two healers in PF groups
This video explains so well why I never want to raid
Healers need "some" dps but I agree it shouldn't be the focused on metric for then. I've been in a static with a zero dps healer and it was miserable, so I can understand both sides.
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I think healers need a full revamp but that's me
looked into it a bit when it was current drama, tbh there were alot more issues with the static. I think the whm had a bad attitude in chat but really wasn't the total problem. lots of other people didn't use mitigation at all, hardly the whms falt exclusively if you watch the video they made more carefully.
tank literally plays with with an ultimate totem counter in the top right...
Why the hell are healers performance getting measured by DPS parse?
Because some people think that this will make a huge difference in the end of the Raid... This is something that need to be considered after a long time playing with the same party and both healers want to make things a little different than before.
Ooh! Ooh! I main healer! :D (Not inviting myself to join you, just wanted to put that out there since there's a lot of healers in my world... 🤔)
react video of a react video of a clip, truly meta
healing is strange in this game, i feel like they should design it in a way where healers are mostly healing and not dpsing 85-90% of the time ..
and this pharsing site or whatever should take into account how much you heald too for your "dps" pharse, if u can just let the other healer do all the healing and ur pure dps its not hard to get a good pharse .. its dumb. fights should require TWO healers healing and not just sometimes. make healers hardcast heals, whatever this "healer" roll in ff14 is, dosnt feel like a real healer feels more like a support.
You can make your own profile in fflogs private. You can just do it right now and no one can see your logs.
But this healer wanted their logs to be seen. For dps :p cause thats soooo "cooool". It is cooler than an actual clear :D
Lol that's what you think ...if someone knows what party you were in they can just look up someone else and still see your parse for that particular fight.
Lol that is funny af! I'm tired of healers complaining about having to heal all the time lately! If you want to dps then be a dps. I'm glad someone is calling out these people, self entitled brats
Watching reactions to reactions... Think I'll just go to the xenos video for this 1.
You can do that! I did say the original is gone so this was the only one and xenos is amazing! ^^
amazing video. I'm your fan ＋👍🔔
He sounds like he never projected his voice or cussed a day in his life…he should excuse all of that language and tone from his vocabulary
original vid as in the vod or the one he uploaded to youtube?
The original one xeno reacted to is gone
@@pathra www.twitch.tv/videos/1599596137
i gotchu, at least i think this is the one you mean?
bit late but oh well lmao
@@Roboruku why did my chat tell me it was deleted xD
@@pathra chat be like that a lot lmao
Set your fflogs to private/hidden. You don't need an account to do that.
All this talk about parsing, but isn't parsing banable? I understand why people do it, but I think it puts too much pressure on what should be chill gameplay.
This is my first tier healing, I'm not the greatest but holy shit this WHM must have been really shitty
Parsing for a healer wtf lol. My WM is my main there's no parsing meaning don't pay attention to the crap heal 1st dps 2nd that's it
This is why I don't raid
healers r so hard to find bcuz ppl talk sht at them too much
theres really nothing wrong with fflogs. or parsing in general.
When it breeds this level of toxicity then yeah it becomes a problem.
ummm... .this person doesnt know shit about healing if they're saying low/grey healing parse is bad. the absolute goal is >nobody dying>low overheal
if they're not keeping people alive then yeah, this tier really needs you to be smart about it but low healing parse isn't bad on its own, for anyone reading. they got through it, so the damage is good enough at least cause its tight rn lol
Xenos following Quin is the best 😂😂😂
Quin is the god gamer
you don't pay my sub... /s
this is gold
So what I'm hearing is I'm needed😏
FFXIV Eminem 🤣
Mod him. VIP him. Ban him
This is why Yoshi P does not like parsing software like ACT and why I fully support a ban of anyone who get's caught using them. It breeds this kind of toxicity. Again if you use it. Keep it to yourself and never mention it in game or on discord. I hate this level of toxicity so naturally I'm against the thing that causes it.
Devs should ban this player for this. It's one thing to be frustrated but that doesn't justify abusing other players. I would've reported the player if they screamed at me like that.
I'm not defending the healer. They were wrong for focusing on dps over healing. Dps should only be done if there's no one to heal or if you can weave it in gcd. Otherwise you should be primarily focused on healing.
more fflogs toxicity, on top of someone sucking, third party mods and logs just creates a toxic community.
Yep and it's why I don't shed a tear for people banned for using ACT.
… I’m uninstalling this game today. No thanks. If people are this ugly to each other then no thanks.
Jeez, how many FF reactors do we need?
The more the merrier 😊
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Just me or does the person that flips out sound like a trans-woman?
Now I can't unsee some Keffals potato going amok.