"Rehabilitation" is the best possible word to define what happened to the prequel trilogy, while the original trilogy's EU material only suplements it, the EU completely *complements* the prequel trilogy. You have no idea how much the EU patches and fixes and stitches the prequels, it lifts so much weight and does so much work to make those movies bearable. OG trilogy without EU are still masterpieces, prequels without the EU completely falls flat on its face
I really disagree that Prequel Trilogy was ever completely bad. While yes, the directing wasn't great, the sheer amount of world building on display in just the first two episodes is staggering. From ship design to costume design to architecture and probably more that I'm not thinking right now, the Prequel Trilogy was great at showing not just glimpses of details of the world, but new never seen before parts of it. It is why the relatively sparce Episode 3 is my least favourite true Star Wars film, as, while they still used the details presented previously, the amount of new details was distressingly low. It is also why I don't think Disney films will ever be considered good, because they lack that foundation of detailed world building and, completely of their own volition via claiming the Expanded Universe non-canon, have absolutely no world building already present to make their stories work. They instead have to shamelessly steal from the Original Trilogy without understanding what they are stealing in the first place. A maneuver that JJ Abrams is a master at. Just look at how amazingly well they mangled first 2 Star Trek movies in the Kelvin timeline.
It doesn't matter. When a videogame fails because it has microtransactions, does it matter if it had good art? It disappears, and yes, there is always skilled people working on projects, but we evaluate the totality of the experience, and weight them according to our preferences. But one thing I want to say is even the appreciation of those elements you listed, for example (architecture, ship design, costumes, ...) are enhanced by external media (toys, comics, shows, ...), and not by the movie itself, which actually buries them and make them blend and useless, or in some cases even bad (I have so many examples about this, but I am sure you can create your own by thinking about how many ships, costumes and designs you like because you saw them in a different media, in a book, in a toy, in a show, etc., and rarely by watching them the first time in the movies, except when they are the center focus (i.e. mustafar))
@@XCATX25 1. It does matter that the visual media has good art design and competent implementation of said design. Otherwise people would not like gacha games (even if I myself can never understand the appeal). 2. Microtransactions, while bad, were not present in the Phantom Menace, Attack of the Clones, nor Revenge of the Sith. I understand the allegory, but a more film centric criticism would work better in this context. 3. I am not speaking about prequels being good now. I remember coming out of the movie theatre and loving them. Yes, Jar-Jar was a tad too much. Yes, the romance in the Episode 2 is cringe worthy. But I still liked them on their own merit without the supporting media. I might be willing to agree that Episode 2 is mediocre but still solid without the romance scenes. And Episode 3 is usually regarded as the "one good one" by the vocal fanbase. But Phantom Menace is a good movie that was released to the wrong audience. A movie with a vastly different structure than people were used to. Which is the reason people are so adverse to it. 4. You clearly didn't watch the prequels recently. Each establishing shot is filled with world building. There are several shots of characters looking around and us just watching the things they see. The world in these movies feels alive, their tech has specific limitations that repeat over and over in different contexts. And the sequels have either the things they stole from the previous movies (down to flat out stealing X-wings, TIE-fighters, Death Star, Millennium Falcon, Imperial Star Destroyers, Stormtrooper armor, and so on, all without a single meaningful change) or created something so bafflingly stupid and out of place that it's just sad (for example BB-8 and the WW2 bombers from the second Disney Trilogy movie).
The sequels DO actually have a solid extended worldbuilding, built between guides, film novelizations, other novels, comics, games and a TV show. You can dislike or criticize that worldbuilding if you want, but it DOES exist (I myself, the self proclaimed biggest sequel fan recognize Disney did a poor planning of the sequels as a project and created too few additional material). Also, I hear people complain at the JJ Abrams Star Trek movies but I have never heard actual arguments of WHY they are so bad. btw I do think the sequels are going to be considered good eventually, I already do it, personally.
@AsierEtxeberria The point I was making is that the prequels had great world building all on their own, without any additional supporting media. I did hear that the book form of Disney films, written after the release and criticism of the films, are actually decent. However, the problem is that that world building isn't present in the movies, and thus most people won't know about it. I can describe 90% of the Force Awakens the Film using the script for the New Hope and Empire Strikes Back. As for why the JJ Star Trek movies are bad? Originally Star Trek was created with an ideological core of "in the future we will be better, fairer, and more compassionate than we are now". Original Series run and Next Generations run used that core to tell science fiction adventure stories. Deep Space 9 was a deconstruction of the world created in those stories, yet ultimately still holding on to the same core. Voyager was an attempt at repeating the original space adventure formula, but ran into the problem of having no idea how to write a female captain well. There was also Enterprise, but nobody watched that. Either way, that core, that existential optimism clad in naval professionalism, is nowhere present in either movie. Worse yet, the first movie takes the confident, seductive, cunning leader that is the original James T Kirk, and turns him into an arrogant, crass, idiotic buffoon. It takes rational, level headed, insightful Spok, and turns him into an unthinking, emotional idiot that can't take 5 minutes to hear anyone out, much less be a Vulcan he's supposed to be. All that on top of completely not caring about how the tech of that period is supposed to look like and function, because you can't beam aboard a ship that left you on a planet hours ago before warping out at maximum speed, at least not from that freaking planet. And the second movie has all the problems of the first, while desperately trying and failing to be Wrath of Khan the same way the Force Awakens tries to be New Hope. They take the script from the original movie, switch out a few characters and scenes without understanding why those characters and scenes were there in the first place, and then claim this to be original writing.
Wait, I’m confused why you say episode 3 does less world building than the first two. It introduced tons of planets: Utapau, Mustafar, Felucia, Cato Nemoidia, Mygeeto, Polis Massa, and Kashyyyk. Grievous and his bodyguards were totally new, the aliens and beasts on utapau, the battle droids having more personality, the Wookiee ships and weapons, totally new clone armor, ships, and battalion colors… seriously what??
As a kid I never watched the prequel tv shows but I did watch the prequels and liked them. I still like them, even though I know the quality of them isn’t very good. I think George Lucas knows how to write a story but doesn’t know how to write characters
Glad the Lego Disney+ specials got mentioned! Even if only mentioning the worst one. I’m still amazed one of the only supplementary material for the Sequels we got to see on screen was the Lego Holiday Special, but I’m more amazed that it felt like it was trying to be a Clone Wars for the sequels. It focuses on our main 3 characters interacting, on Finn potentially being force sensitive, and on Rey’s struggle of being a Jedi and a teacher considering she never received teaching herself. All things the actually sequels forgot to do. It even has Rose without constantly feeling like they are afraid to use her. All that, alongside references to life day and Chewbacca’s family, make it a surprising love letter to the things a more typical show would treat as a punching bag. With that said, the Lego Holiday special is still kind of mid. I think the Lego Terrifying Tales was a good bit better, but not really focused on the sequel characters (although does show us a potential version of Kylo Ren’s temptation to the dark side while training under Luke). And the Lego Summer Vacation is absolutely forgettable. If we had given this team an actual Sequels TV show instead of random Lego specials, we might have actually gotten our Sequel’s Clone Wars (or more likely a Rebels)
I'm tired of all the millenial (and older) toxic-ass fans who *hated* the prequels a few years ago and now they're in-love with them lolz Boomers had the same reaction to the prequels back then as millenials are having to the sequels now haha. So much so, in fact, that the poor child actor in Episode 1 never acted again, and both Hayden Christensen and the Ja Ja Binx actor were driven in to serious depression. They deserved better! (For the record, I love Jar-Jar hehe) Also, all these movies have *the same issues* for goodness sake. Cheesy diakogue, bad acting, plot holes, scientific inaccuracies, etc etc etc. But *who blooming cares* ? They're *fun* !
Omg the first three minutes of this video is all boomer/gen x bad arguments that redlettermedia cooked up decades ago. So hard to watch. The fact you actually think Lucas would write "somehoe palpatine returned" because he created midichlorians is bat s... crazy. You have been fed so much propaganda with this "lucas bad" non sense. If I can recommend anything watch the video "How "How Star Wars was saved in the edit" was saved in the edit". Breaks down a lot of these weird preconceptions people built about lucas and the OT over the years.
I think what's even more important to note is how the prequels inspired all these other stories that are in many ways, better. There's a a reason people say that The Clone Wars is a refined version of the prequels, because it built off of the strongest elements of that trilogy (the political struggle, worldbuilding, et cetera). And that has led to the creation of even more excellent storytelling - The Bad Batch for example has had a somewhat mixed reception, but I personally love it. It is the perfect reflection of the themes that have been ingrained into Star Wars since its conception. The difference between the prequels and sequels are that regardless of the many flaws they may possess, the prequels were born from passion, the sequels on the other hand were so obviously created cynically with the intent to appeal to as many people as possible. The irony is that in the process of doing that, they pleased no one. Now people are realizing that the prequels can inspire good and thoughtful storytelling, because that was their intent from the beginning - the sequels will never be capable of that, not just because of the shorter time frame the films inhabit but because of their corporate nature.
To be fair, TLJ and TROS are months to a year apart (versus two to three years of The Clone Wars) so there *could* be material there. More significantly though I still think an animated series focusing on Luke attempting to rebuild the Jedi Order in between 6 and 7 would work phenomenally and build on the strengths of the Sequels. You can parallel that with Leia and Han’s endeavors in rebuilding the Republic and fighting Imperial remnants, have Luke’s and their stories intertwine, have some of Lando in there… they’d have to work around Aftermath, Bloodline, Shadow of the Sith etc. But I do think that a series in this time period would be great. And as for more supplemental material, we *are* getting the New Jedi Order movie with Rey (and I certainly hope Finn as well!). So there’s still time for this to happen.
I'll be honest, despite the wooden acting I still have always enjoyed the prequels even before clone wars fleshed things out. Lucas can't write dialogue for crud, but the man has fantastic vision, he just needs a team to keep him in check like the originals. Plus as we've seen even the originals have their issues like the Endor fight with Ewoks being a complete joke. Disney's sequels feel frankly very soulless, it's clear they wrote it as they went on and they try to have MCU style humor where characters point out stuff like "they fly now" or just cringe like when Poe literally does the equivalent of a yo momma joke in TLJ. There's little connective tissue actually tying them to the originals, compared to the prequels where you see a ton of stuff that hints at what's to come. I respect Lucas because despite how flawed his writing could be, the man had a lot of passion for his creation, he had great ideas and just needed people to help refine them. Disney Star Wars has had some interesting ideas but they don't even try to do anything with it and that's one of the most frustrating aspects. It very much feels like they just ride on the success of the originals without understanding why people liked them. So yeah the prequels aren't very good in terms of acting, sometimes the writing is spotty and there's some dumb stuff in there but I can still love them for everything else, and now with the supplemental material they became much better. The sequels would need a bunch of stuff set between the originals and the sequels since there's a large time gap but it feels largely too late for that
Recently rewatched ep4. It was probably amazing for the time. Nowadays, it is much easier to see the flaws. As for the prequels, they were bad, but got a lot of support later. The sequel got torpedoed and was really depressing to see.
I *H E A V I L Y* disagree with your take on the Resistance show! First season was mostly goofs, and thus not that serios, which *in some circumstances* tanks it. The Second season was a *MARGINAL* improvement, both in tone with seriosness, and the episodic (and not-so) stories themselfs! The orbital borbandment scene is one of the examples of this! Honestly, I expected you to dunk on the 1st season and say 2nd was atleast okay, *but I NEVER imagined you would call it trash!* My point is, *why you think Second Season of Resistance was trash?* I can accept bad, but not trash! Hope you would provide quick explanation on this, if you willing ofcource!
Easy: Season 1 has the suspense of the First Order's slow encroachment, showing how authoritarian regimes weasel their way in. Season 2 was pretty much all dogfights by people who have no idea how to choreograph a dogfight.
@@kohxtra *...Half the time,* dogfighting took half the time of second season! Let's not forget the other half, which was the improvement upon the first season. I now see why would you call it trash, even if I disagree. Still, I think it's a bit of an overkill to call it that in my opinion. >-< If my reaction seems to you to be... *intense,* that's because I'm the only stounch fan of this show, that likes all the seasons, doesn't understand *why the heck everyone called THE WHOLE SHOW "trashy trash",* and still hopelessly awaiting Season 3 of the series! So, I have my bias here, *and I will stick to it throughout!*
Say what you will about the recent live action shows, but I feel they are helping to “rehabilitate” the gap between episodes 6 and 7. The Bad Batch showed us how the Empire obtained the Kaminoans’ cloning technology, and the Mandalorian shows the remnants of the Empire using that technology (with the blood of Grogu) to try to bring back Palpatine… and one of those early experiments resulted in the creation of Snoke. As much as people bash on Book of Boba Fett, it showed us what happened in the power vacuum after Leia killed Jabba; and how Boba and Fennec Shand, having both had roughly 30 year careers as bounty hunters, wanted to get out of the business. BoBF also humanized the Tuskens, something that we hadn’t seen since AoTC. Season 2 of the Mandalorian and Season 1 of Ahsoka show us why Ahsoka Tano was MIA during the original trilogy: she was hunting down Thrawn and his followers. And even the 3rd Season of The Mandalorian shows us the remnants of the Empire becoming the First Order, relying too heavily on the old, outdated tech, because their resources were so strapped. Don’t get me wrong, the Sequel Trilogy isn’t great by any means, but seeing the bridges being built makes them more easily digestible.
Love this vid, and you make a lot of great points. Buuuut, I've gotta chime-in here as a gen-z-er... About me: Episode 1 was my first Star Wars movie, after which I watched the sequels at the cinema, and then went back to the prequels. I haven't seen the originals yet, because I *tried* to watch them on D+ and they were awful... Or, at least, George's "remasters" are awful lolz. I'm trying to hunt the old versions... Here's my "takes": - Resistance is great! ... If you're a kid. Which I was when I watched it. It's just not for you hun because you're a grown-up, and that's okay. Season one was indeed a bit "childish", I guess, but that's *the point!* The second season was *fire* , though. I don't know why you don't like it? The plot gets way more intricate, serious, bad---, etc. But that's my opinion. - When I watched the prequels (as aforementioned), I *cried my eyes out* when those Jedi were slaughtered, even though I had no clue who they were. When I rewatch at some point now that I've seen all of The Clone Wars, Rebels, etc, I'll probably be even more upset lol - Unpopular opinion: George Lucas isn't actually a very good writer, and an even worse Director... He has great *ideas* but he doesn't know how to bring them to life with *quality* , you know? The clips you showed in this of Mark Hamil and the original trilogy and your accompanying commentary showed this very well. - We already have *many* things based between the original trilogy and the sequels., not just Resistance. Come on, did you forget the "Mandoverse"? - Yes, "somehow Palpatine returned" is an awful line and the Fortnite thing was even worse, buuuut the fact he returned isn't silly inunitself, because it happened *multiple times* in the "Legends" canon, and George Lucas planned to bring him back in *his* sequels, too. We know this, because his many, maaaany notes he handed to Disney were leaked to the public. I *think* that's everything 😂 Anyway, #instantsub 😉
As someone who’s recently binged all the movies I don’t necessarily believe that the sequels NEED rehabilitation, or at least to the level that the prequels did. They’re much better and more entertaining films then the Prequels when judged on their own merits, the dialogue is fun, the actors charismatic and the cinematography and effects look great, it’s everything that the prequels got wrong. So I personally don’t think they need much extra material, though I do think it’d be cool! (Love your TCG stuff and it’s cool to see you branch out to Star Wars on this channel)
As Sun Tzu said: if you actually like star wars, you actually like star wars. People who don't like star wars, don't like star wars! Don't waste our times with this drivel. Either delve into the actual films that Lucas made, or spare us a look into the inside of your empty skull. Add to the discourse, elevate it, don't make your ignorance normative for the rest of us. Because it isn't.
2:05, the swap makes so much sense it actually makes me mad lol. C-3PO would have fit in perfect with Padme's entourage, his whole personality and purpose don't really fit with him being built by a child on a backwater planet.
Prequels are not better. The writing Is considerably worse, taking the movies on their own. The Prequel era is held up by the massive amount of other works that have been made to supplement it. Sequels aren’t great either but I bet that if they get as good as supporting material as the prequels got, they would be better received. Original trilogy is flawed but manages to stand on its own. That alone is testament to their quality. They never needed an extended universe or supplemental stories to be good. They just were.
Who is the protagonist in Phantom Menace? Can you name them? Can you tell me one thing about Amadala's character from Phantom Menace that doesn't have to do with her outfit?
@@Pebblez23 I wouldn’t say they were poorly made. A massive amount of work and talent went into bringing them to life. What tanked them was Lucas’ shoddy writing and directing. If he had allowed, as he did with the original trilogy, other people to handle most of the writing and directing responsibilities, and was more open to people helping him to edit, they would definitely have been better films.
Did you watch the Vid? The Prequels were played out over several years, while the Sequels were just a few months. There is no time within the Story to further develop it.
There is so much misinformation in this article… watch How How Star Wars was saved in the edit was saved in the edit and tjaz guy just tells you everything you need to know about how awfully that video misrepresented anything going on behind the scenes of that movie. Rick Worley is also great analysis of the prequels. Josh from Xboxlive also did some great stuff. To sum it up, people simply didn’t understand the prequels: not in the sense that they were too stupid, but that they expected juice and got wine instead.
Episode one and two suck but tbe prequel era is one of my favorite era of any fictional media and has been since I was a kid...even though I hate the first two episodes.
2 Notes: 1- the extra material impact is INSANE, and it does not extend only to tv shows or movies: I HATE the prequels, but now I am enjoying them a bit more, and you know why? Lego + a Lego videogame about the prequels. It makes you enjoy the art that some people made for the prequels, even if the movies by themselves, as movies, they are TERRIBLE in so many ways. 2- and talking about terrible movies... It is known that doing a critical video of the prequels is useless, and we know why... Because nobody can surpass the RLM plinkett reviews of the prequels, hence why so many people focus on "why the prequels are good". But with that said, in my opinion, we can never really talk if the prequels are good or bad without engaging with those reviews, without repeating what they said or without trying to contrast what they say. I think the perspective of "looking at the prequels as a totality of the media that compose them" is the only way out, and the only way youtubers get out of it without engaging with those reviews, because of what you said
Tbh the idea of bringing back Darth Maul was awful. He totally made sense as a Sith assassin that didnt need to speak much, he showed his worth with his fighting style, theres eastern philosophy in that concept. The CW made him a whiny cartoonish crybaby. The only positive in this is his closure with Obi-Wan, but yeah, totally unnecessary otherwise.
Disagree there. I didn’t get that impression from him at all. I prefer the manipulative character he was and it all leading up to Season 7. Honestly one of the villains that you found yourself rooting for despite knowing what he’s doing is evil
The rehabilitation of the prequels is weird. It's not kiddies saying "even though the films are badly flawed I think the positives outweigh the negatives," that would be a normal opinion to have. It's them saying "actually the flaws aren't flaws at all, it's just what I grew up with and therefore normal". It breaks my heart
I feel lik you're mischaracterizing it. Most of the people praising the prequels now are the ones who grew up watching the Clone Wars and so see the films in a completely different context. They watch the films knowing everything that Anakin went through in the war and they see order 66 as the ultimate tragedy of the franchise.
I have to fundamentally disagree. The cartoons and other media surrounding the prequels are horrible. Yes, they added more lore and characters and gave personality to previous characters. But was any of that well done? Was the lore good? Absolutely not. More stuff doesn't make the prequels better on its own, it has to be good stuff and the cartoons fail at this with cartoon-logic lore that doesn't make sense and childish new characters and childish old characters that are basically turned into new characters by being completely different from their movie counterparts. Obi-wan is not Obi-wan in the clone wars cartoon, Anakin is not Anakin (and the end of the show doesn't even properly flow into how he acts in the movie.
@@oliveragag8576Having the clones giving their two cents and questioning Krell, despite AOTC establishing that they don't do that... is pretty childish.
"Rehabilitation" is the best possible word to define what happened to the prequel trilogy, while the original trilogy's EU material only suplements it, the EU completely *complements* the prequel trilogy. You have no idea how much the EU patches and fixes and stitches the prequels, it lifts so much weight and does so much work to make those movies bearable. OG trilogy without EU are still masterpieces, prequels without the EU completely falls flat on its face
I really disagree that Prequel Trilogy was ever completely bad. While yes, the directing wasn't great, the sheer amount of world building on display in just the first two episodes is staggering. From ship design to costume design to architecture and probably more that I'm not thinking right now, the Prequel Trilogy was great at showing not just glimpses of details of the world, but new never seen before parts of it. It is why the relatively sparce Episode 3 is my least favourite true Star Wars film, as, while they still used the details presented previously, the amount of new details was distressingly low.
It is also why I don't think Disney films will ever be considered good, because they lack that foundation of detailed world building and, completely of their own volition via claiming the Expanded Universe non-canon, have absolutely no world building already present to make their stories work. They instead have to shamelessly steal from the Original Trilogy without understanding what they are stealing in the first place. A maneuver that JJ Abrams is a master at. Just look at how amazingly well they mangled first 2 Star Trek movies in the Kelvin timeline.
It doesn't matter. When a videogame fails because it has microtransactions, does it matter if it had good art? It disappears, and yes, there is always skilled people working on projects, but we evaluate the totality of the experience, and weight them according to our preferences. But one thing I want to say is even the appreciation of those elements you listed, for example (architecture, ship design, costumes, ...) are enhanced by external media (toys, comics, shows, ...), and not by the movie itself, which actually buries them and make them blend and useless, or in some cases even bad (I have so many examples about this, but I am sure you can create your own by thinking about how many ships, costumes and designs you like because you saw them in a different media, in a book, in a toy, in a show, etc., and rarely by watching them the first time in the movies, except when they are the center focus (i.e. mustafar))
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1. It does matter that the visual media has good art design and competent implementation of said design. Otherwise people would not like gacha games (even if I myself can never understand the appeal).
2. Microtransactions, while bad, were not present in the Phantom Menace, Attack of the Clones, nor Revenge of the Sith. I understand the allegory, but a more film centric criticism would work better in this context.
3. I am not speaking about prequels being good now. I remember coming out of the movie theatre and loving them. Yes, Jar-Jar was a tad too much. Yes, the romance in the Episode 2 is cringe worthy. But I still liked them on their own merit without the supporting media. I might be willing to agree that Episode 2 is mediocre but still solid without the romance scenes. And Episode 3 is usually regarded as the "one good one" by the vocal fanbase. But Phantom Menace is a good movie that was released to the wrong audience. A movie with a vastly different structure than people were used to. Which is the reason people are so adverse to it.
4. You clearly didn't watch the prequels recently. Each establishing shot is filled with world building. There are several shots of characters looking around and us just watching the things they see. The world in these movies feels alive, their tech has specific limitations that repeat over and over in different contexts.
And the sequels have either the things they stole from the previous movies (down to flat out stealing X-wings, TIE-fighters, Death Star, Millennium Falcon, Imperial Star Destroyers, Stormtrooper armor, and so on, all without a single meaningful change) or created something so bafflingly stupid and out of place that it's just sad (for example BB-8 and the WW2 bombers from the second Disney Trilogy movie).
The sequels DO actually have a solid extended worldbuilding, built between guides, film novelizations, other novels, comics, games and a TV show. You can dislike or criticize that worldbuilding if you want, but it DOES exist (I myself, the self proclaimed biggest sequel fan recognize Disney did a poor planning of the sequels as a project and created too few additional material). Also, I hear people complain at the JJ Abrams Star Trek movies but I have never heard actual arguments of WHY they are so bad. btw I do think the sequels are going to be considered good eventually, I already do it, personally.
@AsierEtxeberria The point I was making is that the prequels had great world building all on their own, without any additional supporting media. I did hear that the book form of Disney films, written after the release and criticism of the films, are actually decent. However, the problem is that that world building isn't present in the movies, and thus most people won't know about it. I can describe 90% of the Force Awakens the Film using the script for the New Hope and Empire Strikes Back.
As for why the JJ Star Trek movies are bad? Originally Star Trek was created with an ideological core of "in the future we will be better, fairer, and more compassionate than we are now". Original Series run and Next Generations run used that core to tell science fiction adventure stories. Deep Space 9 was a deconstruction of the world created in those stories, yet ultimately still holding on to the same core. Voyager was an attempt at repeating the original space adventure formula, but ran into the problem of having no idea how to write a female captain well. There was also Enterprise, but nobody watched that.
Either way, that core, that existential optimism clad in naval professionalism, is nowhere present in either movie. Worse yet, the first movie takes the confident, seductive, cunning leader that is the original James T Kirk, and turns him into an arrogant, crass, idiotic buffoon. It takes rational, level headed, insightful Spok, and turns him into an unthinking, emotional idiot that can't take 5 minutes to hear anyone out, much less be a Vulcan he's supposed to be. All that on top of completely not caring about how the tech of that period is supposed to look like and function, because you can't beam aboard a ship that left you on a planet hours ago before warping out at maximum speed, at least not from that freaking planet.
And the second movie has all the problems of the first, while desperately trying and failing to be Wrath of Khan the same way the Force Awakens tries to be New Hope. They take the script from the original movie, switch out a few characters and scenes without understanding why those characters and scenes were there in the first place, and then claim this to be original writing.
Wait, I’m confused why you say episode 3 does less world building than the first two. It introduced tons of planets: Utapau, Mustafar, Felucia, Cato Nemoidia, Mygeeto, Polis Massa, and Kashyyyk. Grievous and his bodyguards were totally new, the aliens and beasts on utapau, the battle droids having more personality, the Wookiee ships and weapons, totally new clone armor, ships, and battalion colors… seriously what??
As a kid I never watched the prequel tv shows but I did watch the prequels and liked them. I still like them, even though I know the quality of them isn’t very good. I think George Lucas knows how to write a story but doesn’t know how to write characters
The Phantom Menace was entertaining, and the other two prequels would have been great if they would have revealed Darth Jar Jar.
I love your Star Wars coverage! Well thought out and interesting stuff! Hoping to see more from you.
Glad the Lego Disney+ specials got mentioned! Even if only mentioning the worst one.
I’m still amazed one of the only supplementary material for the Sequels we got to see on screen was the Lego Holiday Special, but I’m more amazed that it felt like it was trying to be a Clone Wars for the sequels. It focuses on our main 3 characters interacting, on Finn potentially being force sensitive, and on Rey’s struggle of being a Jedi and a teacher considering she never received teaching herself. All things the actually sequels forgot to do. It even has Rose without constantly feeling like they are afraid to use her.
All that, alongside references to life day and Chewbacca’s family, make it a surprising love letter to the things a more typical show would treat as a punching bag.
With that said, the Lego Holiday special is still kind of mid. I think the Lego Terrifying Tales was a good bit better, but not really focused on the sequel characters (although does show us a potential version of Kylo Ren’s temptation to the dark side while training under Luke). And the Lego Summer Vacation is absolutely forgettable.
If we had given this team an actual Sequels TV show instead of random Lego specials, we might have actually gotten our Sequel’s Clone Wars (or more likely a Rebels)
I'm tired of all the millenial (and older) toxic-ass fans who *hated* the prequels a few years ago and now they're in-love with them lolz
Boomers had the same reaction to the prequels back then as millenials are having to the sequels now haha. So much so, in fact, that the poor child actor in Episode 1 never acted again, and both Hayden Christensen and the Ja Ja Binx actor were driven in to serious depression. They deserved better! (For the record, I love Jar-Jar hehe)
Also, all these movies have *the same issues* for goodness sake. Cheesy diakogue, bad acting, plot holes, scientific inaccuracies, etc etc etc. But *who blooming cares* ? They're *fun* !
Omg the first three minutes of this video is all boomer/gen x bad arguments that redlettermedia cooked up decades ago. So hard to watch. The fact you actually think Lucas would write "somehoe palpatine returned" because he created midichlorians is bat s... crazy. You have been fed so much propaganda with this "lucas bad" non sense.
If I can recommend anything watch the video "How "How Star Wars was saved in the edit" was saved in the edit". Breaks down a lot of these weird preconceptions people built about lucas and the OT over the years.
people fall 4 the dumbest lies 2 much. they say lucas was carried cuz he had friends but evry movie got collaborators
I think what's even more important to note is how the prequels inspired all these other stories that are in many ways, better. There's a a reason people say that The Clone Wars is a refined version of the prequels, because it built off of the strongest elements of that trilogy (the political struggle, worldbuilding, et cetera). And that has led to the creation of even more excellent storytelling - The Bad Batch for example has had a somewhat mixed reception, but I personally love it. It is the perfect reflection of the themes that have been ingrained into Star Wars since its conception. The difference between the prequels and sequels are that regardless of the many flaws they may possess, the prequels were born from passion, the sequels on the other hand were so obviously created cynically with the intent to appeal to as many people as possible. The irony is that in the process of doing that, they pleased no one. Now people are realizing that the prequels can inspire good and thoughtful storytelling, because that was their intent from the beginning - the sequels will never be capable of that, not just because of the shorter time frame the films inhabit but because of their corporate nature.
I wish they would only make spin offs in universe with new characters 1000 years in the past or future sorta like they do in Warhammer 30k and 40k
To be fair, TLJ and TROS are months to a year apart (versus two to three years of The Clone Wars) so there *could* be material there. More significantly though I still think an animated series focusing on Luke attempting to rebuild the Jedi Order in between 6 and 7 would work phenomenally and build on the strengths of the Sequels. You can parallel that with Leia and Han’s endeavors in rebuilding the Republic and fighting Imperial remnants, have Luke’s and their stories intertwine, have some of Lando in there… they’d have to work around Aftermath, Bloodline, Shadow of the Sith etc. But I do think that a series in this time period would be great. And as for more supplemental material, we *are* getting the New Jedi Order movie with Rey (and I certainly hope Finn as well!). So there’s still time for this to happen.
I'll be honest, despite the wooden acting I still have always enjoyed the prequels even before clone wars fleshed things out. Lucas can't write dialogue for crud, but the man has fantastic vision, he just needs a team to keep him in check like the originals. Plus as we've seen even the originals have their issues like the Endor fight with Ewoks being a complete joke.
Disney's sequels feel frankly very soulless, it's clear they wrote it as they went on and they try to have MCU style humor where characters point out stuff like "they fly now" or just cringe like when Poe literally does the equivalent of a yo momma joke in TLJ. There's little connective tissue actually tying them to the originals, compared to the prequels where you see a ton of stuff that hints at what's to come.
I respect Lucas because despite how flawed his writing could be, the man had a lot of passion for his creation, he had great ideas and just needed people to help refine them. Disney Star Wars has had some interesting ideas but they don't even try to do anything with it and that's one of the most frustrating aspects. It very much feels like they just ride on the success of the originals without understanding why people liked them.
So yeah the prequels aren't very good in terms of acting, sometimes the writing is spotty and there's some dumb stuff in there but I can still love them for everything else, and now with the supplemental material they became much better. The sequels would need a bunch of stuff set between the originals and the sequels since there's a large time gap but it feels largely too late for that
Disney tried to mimic the original and prequel trilogies by getting a bad director for the sequels
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I was a little conflicted on the prequels, Way Back When. Now, compared to the Disney sequels…very good! 😎
Recently rewatched ep4. It was probably amazing for the time. Nowadays, it is much easier to see the flaws. As for the prequels, they were bad, but got a lot of support later. The sequel got torpedoed and was really depressing to see.
4:23 it was already tragic
I *H E A V I L Y* disagree with your take on the Resistance show!
First season was mostly goofs, and thus not that serios, which *in some circumstances* tanks it.
The Second season was a *MARGINAL* improvement, both in tone with seriosness, and the episodic (and not-so) stories themselfs! The orbital borbandment scene is one of the examples of this!
Honestly, I expected you to dunk on the 1st season and say 2nd was atleast okay, *but I NEVER imagined you would call it trash!*
My point is, *why you think Second Season of Resistance was trash?*
I can accept bad, but not trash!
Hope you would provide quick explanation on this, if you willing ofcource!
Easy: Season 1 has the suspense of the First Order's slow encroachment, showing how authoritarian regimes weasel their way in.
Season 2 was pretty much all dogfights by people who have no idea how to choreograph a dogfight.
@@kohxtra *...Half the time,* dogfighting took half the time of second season! Let's not forget the other half, which was the improvement upon the first season.
I now see why would you call it trash, even if I disagree. Still, I think it's a bit of an overkill to call it that in my opinion.
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If my reaction seems to you to be... *intense,* that's because I'm the only stounch fan of this show, that likes all the seasons, doesn't understand *why the heck everyone called THE WHOLE SHOW "trashy trash",* and still hopelessly awaiting Season 3 of the series!
So, I have my bias here, *and I will stick to it throughout!*
Say what you will about the recent live action shows, but I feel they are helping to “rehabilitate” the gap between episodes 6 and 7.
The Bad Batch showed us how the Empire obtained the Kaminoans’ cloning technology, and the Mandalorian shows the remnants of the Empire using that technology (with the blood of Grogu) to try to bring back Palpatine… and one of those early experiments resulted in the creation of Snoke. As much as people bash on Book of Boba Fett, it showed us what happened in the power vacuum after Leia killed Jabba; and how Boba and Fennec Shand, having both had roughly 30 year careers as bounty hunters, wanted to get out of the business. BoBF also humanized the Tuskens, something that we hadn’t seen since AoTC.
Season 2 of the Mandalorian and Season 1 of Ahsoka show us why Ahsoka Tano was MIA during the original trilogy: she was hunting down Thrawn and his followers. And even the 3rd Season of The Mandalorian shows us the remnants of the Empire becoming the First Order, relying too heavily on the old, outdated tech, because their resources were so strapped.
Don’t get me wrong, the Sequel Trilogy isn’t great by any means, but seeing the bridges being built makes them more easily digestible.
Love this vid, and you make a lot of great points. Buuuut, I've gotta chime-in here as a gen-z-er...
About me: Episode 1 was my first Star Wars movie, after which I watched the sequels at the cinema, and then went back to the prequels. I haven't seen the originals yet, because I *tried* to watch them on D+ and they were awful... Or, at least, George's "remasters" are awful lolz. I'm trying to hunt the old versions...
Here's my "takes":
- Resistance is great! ... If you're a kid. Which I was when I watched it. It's just not for you hun because you're a grown-up, and that's okay. Season one was indeed a bit "childish", I guess, but that's *the point!* The second season was *fire* , though. I don't know why you don't like it? The plot gets way more intricate, serious, bad---, etc. But that's my opinion.
- When I watched the prequels (as aforementioned), I *cried my eyes out* when those Jedi were slaughtered, even though I had no clue who they were. When I rewatch at some point now that I've seen all of The Clone Wars, Rebels, etc, I'll probably be even more upset lol
- Unpopular opinion: George Lucas isn't actually a very good writer, and an even worse Director... He has great *ideas* but he doesn't know how to bring them to life with *quality* , you know? The clips you showed in this of Mark Hamil and the original trilogy and your accompanying commentary showed this very well.
- We already have *many* things based between the original trilogy and the sequels., not just Resistance. Come on, did you forget the "Mandoverse"?
- Yes, "somehow Palpatine returned" is an awful line and the Fortnite thing was even worse, buuuut the fact he returned isn't silly inunitself, because it happened *multiple times* in the "Legends" canon, and George Lucas planned to bring him back in *his* sequels, too. We know this, because his many, maaaany notes he handed to Disney were leaked to the public.
I *think* that's everything 😂
Anyway, #instantsub 😉
As someone who’s recently binged all the movies I don’t necessarily believe that the sequels NEED rehabilitation, or at least to the level that the prequels did. They’re much better and more entertaining films then the Prequels when judged on their own merits, the dialogue is fun, the actors charismatic and the cinematography and effects look great, it’s everything that the prequels got wrong. So I personally don’t think they need much extra material, though I do think it’d be cool!
(Love your TCG stuff and it’s cool to see you branch out to Star Wars on this channel)
one of the best sw videos i ever seen
are you going to make a splatoon video?
4:42 disagree, i cared
That essay of how SW was saved in the edit is completly BS
Real gangster hours
Real.
I like when you using the old recorded of original trylogy
The Clone Wars is the best thing happened to Star Wars
But on a planet where there is slavery and gambling, the protocol droid could have helped correct grammar
If you remember what The Clone Wars was really like, it did not do the movies any favor.
As Sun Tzu said: if you actually like star wars, you actually like star wars. People who don't like star wars, don't like star wars! Don't waste our times with this drivel. Either delve into the actual films that Lucas made, or spare us a look into the inside of your empty skull. Add to the discourse, elevate it, don't make your ignorance normative for the rest of us. Because it isn't.
2:05, the swap makes so much sense it actually makes me mad lol. C-3PO would have fit in perfect with Padme's entourage, his whole personality and purpose don't really fit with him being built by a child on a backwater planet.
We're going to win this war, not by fighting what we hate, but by ditching everything Disney makes on principle.
Or I will. You do you.
The prequels are bad movies but they are still Star Wars movies. The Disney ones are just generic action movies
The prequels are actually better. Just boomers complaining
Prequels are not better. The writing
Is considerably worse, taking the movies on their own.
The Prequel era is held up by the massive amount of other works that have been made to supplement it.
Sequels aren’t great either but I bet that if they get as good as supporting material as the prequels got, they would be better received.
Original trilogy is flawed but manages to stand on its own. That alone is testament to their quality. They never needed an extended universe or supplemental stories to be good. They just were.
OG trilogy is actually better. Just babies being butthurt and trying desperately to justify their guilty pleasure.
Who is the protagonist in Phantom Menace? Can you name them? Can you tell me one thing about Amadala's character from Phantom Menace that doesn't have to do with her outfit?
I’m sorry, but the prequels are objectively poorly made films lol.
@@Pebblez23 I wouldn’t say they were poorly made. A massive amount of work and talent went into bringing them to life.
What tanked them was Lucas’ shoddy writing and directing.
If he had allowed, as he did with the original trilogy, other people to handle most of the writing and directing responsibilities, and was more open to people helping him to edit, they would definitely have been better films.
It's sad there's a whole generation who doesn't know who Mr.Plinkett is, or why he's so important to Star Wars
I know, it's almost like they've aged horribly.
Good.
hey if the prequels can be rehabilitated so can the Sequels
Did you watch the Vid? The Prequels were played out over several years, while the Sequels were just a few months. There is no time within the Story to further develop it.
Omg, what if the sequels somehow had a comeback, that’d be crazy
The Prequels had a good idea that was executed badly. The Sequels had a bad idea that was also executed badly.
There is so much misinformation in this article…
watch How How Star Wars was saved in the edit was saved in the edit and tjaz guy just tells you everything you need to know about how awfully that video misrepresented anything going on behind the scenes of that movie. Rick Worley is also great analysis of the prequels. Josh from Xboxlive also did some great stuff.
To sum it up, people simply didn’t understand the prequels: not in the sense that they were too stupid, but that they expected juice and got wine instead.
Episode one and two suck but tbe prequel era is one of my favorite era of any fictional media and has been since I was a kid...even though I hate the first two episodes.
Schaffeilous video is terrible
May I say, that original trilogy is not that good either 😂
2 Notes:
1- the extra material impact is INSANE, and it does not extend only to tv shows or movies: I HATE the prequels, but now I am enjoying them a bit more, and you know why? Lego + a Lego videogame about the prequels. It makes you enjoy the art that some people made for the prequels, even if the movies by themselves, as movies, they are TERRIBLE in so many ways.
2- and talking about terrible movies... It is known that doing a critical video of the prequels is useless, and we know why... Because nobody can surpass the RLM plinkett reviews of the prequels, hence why so many people focus on "why the prequels are good". But with that said, in my opinion, we can never really talk if the prequels are good or bad without engaging with those reviews, without repeating what they said or without trying to contrast what they say.
I think the perspective of "looking at the prequels as a totality of the media that compose them" is the only way out, and the only way youtubers get out of it without engaging with those reviews, because of what you said
I hold no respect for a video that jokes about domestic abuse.
@@kohxtra Honestly, while I may not agree with your opinion on the Prequels or TCW, this statement I fully support.
Tbh the idea of bringing back Darth Maul was awful. He totally made sense as a Sith assassin that didnt need to speak much, he showed his worth with his fighting style, theres eastern philosophy in that concept. The CW made him a whiny cartoonish crybaby. The only positive in this is his closure with Obi-Wan, but yeah, totally unnecessary otherwise.
Disagree there. I didn’t get that impression from him at all. I prefer the manipulative character he was and it all leading up to Season 7. Honestly one of the villains that you found yourself rooting for despite knowing what he’s doing is evil
The rehabilitation of the prequels is weird. It's not kiddies saying "even though the films are badly flawed I think the positives outweigh the negatives," that would be a normal opinion to have. It's them saying "actually the flaws aren't flaws at all, it's just what I grew up with and therefore normal". It breaks my heart
I feel lik you're mischaracterizing it. Most of the people praising the prequels now are the ones who grew up watching the Clone Wars and so see the films in a completely different context. They watch the films knowing everything that Anakin went through in the war and they see order 66 as the ultimate tragedy of the franchise.
I have to fundamentally disagree. The cartoons and other media surrounding the prequels are horrible. Yes, they added more lore and characters and gave personality to previous characters. But was any of that well done? Was the lore good? Absolutely not. More stuff doesn't make the prequels better on its own, it has to be good stuff and the cartoons fail at this with cartoon-logic lore that doesn't make sense and childish new characters and childish old characters that are basically turned into new characters by being completely different from their movie counterparts. Obi-wan is not Obi-wan in the clone wars cartoon, Anakin is not Anakin (and the end of the show doesn't even properly flow into how he acts in the movie.
I struggle to look at stuff like the Umbara arc and call it childish.
@@oliveragag8576 Ok then keep struggling lol
I think you watched the wrong shows man.
@@oliveragag8576Having the clones giving their two cents and questioning Krell, despite AOTC establishing that they don't do that... is pretty childish.
wait wasn't the genndy tartakovsky cartoon before revenge of the sith? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars:_Clone_Wars_(2003_TV_series)