The Woke Mob: How Can We Save our Civilization? | Douglas Murray | Ep. 15
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Douglas' ability to construct a sentence and introduce subclauses without confusing the audience is out of this world. 🌌
Without confusing the audience, himself, or the sentence construction itself, all whilst giving deep and honest insights.
An amazing conversation.I think that the way Douglas has found to do this is to speak slowly. Sometimes we get it wrong, we think that speaking fast means being assertive but we loose so much precision this way.
And this is the case even when listening at 1.5 speed.
Douglas is the man his books are so good
Eton and Oxford.
ThAnkyou, listening to Douglas Murray is like putting ones brain temporarily in a chill box to relax.
It emerges pleasantly minty fresh.
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I have read and watched and listened to Douglass for years - this is one of most profound interviews yet.
I think it says something deeply shameful of the Western Democracies that Ayann Hirsi Ali is not an icon (like Nelson Mandela or MLK) amongst our various political and media classes. Hirsi Ali an ICON of reason and democracy to me - but then I'm a 'low information', 'deplorable' ordinary citizen-voter. We are the despised people these days.
What a great interview. Two intellectual men having a decent conversation.
I listen to a lot of Douglas Murray but have scarcely heard such wisdom drawn out of him by an interviewer. Mulțumesc Mihail for such a valuable contribution to the Murray canon (great jokes too)
Excellent English Mihai!
I love Douglass Murray - could listen to him all day. Excellent interview!
What a gift to listen to this. Thank you.
Douglas Murray never disappoints, his mind is always brilliant.
Except when he recommends the revival of Christianity as *the* solution to Islamic encroachment in Europe and everything else for that matter.
What a great conversation! Nothing superficial here and yet it generates genuine hope. I particularly enjoyed the sense of camaraderie between these two intellectuals.
I could listen to Douglas Murray all day, but I’ve never seen him enjoy an interview so much, or seen him interviewed by anyone so intelligent!
Mihail...you’re brilliant!
Hi Mihail, I just discovered you by searching for Douglas Murray. Great interview!
Snap!
I never comment on TH-cam videos, fantastic English Mihail and excellent interview, keep up the good work.
We’ll fix the sound next time round.
Terrific and most excellent, precisely accurate discussion on what is prevailing and what is forgotten, or seemingly so. Thank you so much from a 72yo Australian female Baconian, Scrutonite, Dostoevskyite and 'lover' of Yeshua, Bach and of course, Beethoven! WELL DONE MIHAIL and DOUGLAS!
A brilliant interview. Thank you, Mr Mihail Neamtu: this is one of the most intelligent interviews I've seen with Douglas.
What a joy to watch a subject like Douglas Murray be interviewed by someone as organised, respectful, informed and intelligent as Mihail Neamtu. Probably the best interview of him I have seen - a rare feat indeed.
An excellent conversation. Thank you.
Thank you for letting us in on your world and your thoughts gentlemen ❤️
THE MOB AND THE GENTLEMAN. How Do We Beautify Our Souls? Excellent! Congratulations!
A fascinating interview. Thanks.
That was a great interview. I learned a lot. Thanks
I've always liked listening to Douglas Murray. 2 people who actually have a brain. Very interesting conversation.
Been following Douglas Murray for quite a while, really surprised to find one of his best talks on this small channel (no hard feelings ;-). Congrats!
Extremely impressive interview. Well done.
What a great surprise, as a Romanian! I was looking to see the latest Douglas Murray interviews, and find this one by Mihail Neamtu :) And what a great interview!!!
Felicitari, Mihail Neamtu, si ma bucur sa te regasesc - recunsoc ca nu stiam de canalul tau de youtube si, in plus, multi ani nu prea ti-am inteles pozitionarea politica. Dar am inceput eu insami sa ma apropii de aceste puncte de vedere si chiar ma gandeam zilele astea ca ar fi nevoie de mai multi reprezentanti intelectuali laici in Romania. Ori iata ca te regasesc la momentul potrivit pentru mine, ce surpriza placuta :))))
Douglas Murray este unul dintre cei mai actuali intelectuali din Europa, o personalitate care trebuie promovata mai mult si in Romania.
Superb. Thank you.
Chiar am ramas impresionata de acest interviu; pe Douglas Murray il ascult de mult timp si chiar rezonez cu foarte multe din tezele expuse de el. Felicitari. Doamne ajuta 🙏 Multe salutari din! Berlin
This is a superb interview.
Thank you both Messieurs Neamtu and Murray! I thoroughly enjoyed this conversation & got some book title suggestions to read as well.
Lovely interview, both questions and answers.
48.00-49.22! Brilliant as always. Such a pleasure to listen to DM!
Wow, vă felicit, domnule Neamțu, pentru această discuție magnifică! Nu am cuvinte, iar Douglas Murray este, de asemenea, un om pe care l-aș asculta la nesfârșit.
Sper ne mai oferiți astfel de “cadouri” pe viitor. Doamne ajută!🙏🏻🇷🇴✝️
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Mihail really needs a proper microphone. This is a great podcast. Audio quality on the host's end is the only thing that needs improvement.
Incredibil. O personalitate. Un reper. Mulțumim, domnule Mihail Neamțu și așteptăm cu nerăbdare dialoguri și cu alte asemenea persoane. Mulți dintre noi, cei tineri, vrem să vedem chiar dialoguri cu Jordan Peterson, Ben Shapiro, Bret Weinstein, Sam Harris (chiar dacă e ateu, sunt sigur că avem ce învăța de la el).
Mihail, I just discovered you today, ( as a result of being a Douglas Murray fan for a very long time). And love your dynamic introduction. I have subscribed!!
Thanks for this conversation! Look forward to us resuming our own Orthodox conversation the next time you can come back to the Acton Institute!
Btw, Douglas has relentlessly articulated his thoughts, findings, facts and his opinions on all the taboo issues well before Trump entered the political arena. He doesn’t need to explain himself to anybody whatsoever
I am so on side with your observations & sentiments, Mr Murray. Thankyou both for a great conversation.
Multumesc pt oportunitatea de a reasculta acest interviu reusit!
“Religion and philosophy must be in dialogue.” Thank you Douglas for affirming this; I’m a Christian artist.
The two most obsolete artifacts of organized human mental activity in dialogue with each other. How appropriate!
@@twntwrs Douglas and Mihail don’t seem to think religion and philosophy are obsolete; in fact they’re important to millions of people across the globe.
@@mfaithart7029 Actually billions in the case of religion and hundreds in the case of philosophy. But all joking aside, the numbers of people thinking something is important to them doesn't necessarily make it so.
All those millions (used to be hundreds of millions - no longer thank goodness ) of people who think smoking is important to them, well, it really isn't and they and everyone in their immediate vicinity would be better off without it.
@@mfaithart7029 , your art is astonishing ! Thank you !
VERY INTERESTING INTERVIEW. THANKYOU
Felicitari.
Un interviu superb #keeptitup
Our IOS is our core set of values, delivered traditionally through religion - honesty, courage, tolerance, integrity, work ethic, duty, selflessness, and compassion. The west is in crisis from turning its back on this framework.
daniel lowry: I agree; we tried to replace our core set of values with the market & scientific materialism as final authorities. Now we're learning that "man does not live by bread alone".
Superb! I love this man.
ANGLOSEXIEST MAN ALIVE 👍
Superb interviu! Felicitări Mihai NEAMȚU !
Oh new follower. Douglas Murray is an ideal role model on how to be reflective, undertake research, form arguments and deliver it with style and grace. And yet our young men seem impressed with emotional irrational screeches. Great interview because it’s a different one for Douglas, here he explores his thoughts (never seen him use eye accessing patterns before) rather than staring into the screen in debate mode. Nice liked it Thankyou (any chance of podcasts) would love to hear from you Mihail
A contradiction of our time: Under the zeitgeist of _multiculturalism,_ the world is rapidly becoming _less_ diverse. We harvest the diversity that emerged over millennia, without asking ourselves how this diversity came to be, or what connecting and mixing cultures does to diversity over time. Unless we want our children to grow up in a global monoculture, we better think seriously about how we can preserve the diversity we have and what conditions are necessary for diversity to grow.
O altă față a lui Douglas Murray pe care nu am mai văzut-o, aceea a omului cultivat literar, sensibil la probleme filosofice care depășesc oarecum sfera mundanului, a imediatului și al cărui orizont spiritual se extinde dincolo de expertiza sa în sfera politologiei, sociologiei și psihologiei mulțimilor prin care s-a făcut cunoscut în occident. Admirația mea a mai crescut cu o treaptă.
I just discovered your channel and am enjoying it very much. I hope you may have some content about the Romanian Orthodox Church . It was the religion of my grandmother and I always found it very interesting.
Cred că ar fi fost indicat ca materialul să aibă subtitrări în română, pentru cei care vor o doză de idei sănătoase și echilibrate din partea dreaptă a spectrului politic European și poate nu stăpânesc engleza la nivelul cerut de profunzimea acestui tip de conversație. În rest, treaba-i oablă l-ai intervievat pe D Murray, adică... pălăria jos omule! 🙋
Așteptăm "Madness of the crowds" in limba română.
The strange death of Europe este la fel de interesanta
Thoroughly enjoyed this and a native of Derry, I track Mr Murray's content with interest. I would make one observation squire Murray, the liberal project to replace Christianity has failed and I include, in the liberal project, the so-called reformation. Ne timeas.
You nailed it, what is the operating system?
This was the first time I glimpsed Mr. Murray's naivete as relates to foreign adventures. This is the Achilles heel of the right, although the so called new left has caught the virus too. Otherwise, he can be spot on concerning the conserving instinct. Mucking about in the affairs of others gets muck on everyone else fore and aft.
Foarte buna cartea lui, cred ca a aparut si in Romania, bun si interviul...Sper sa l aud in curand si pe Yuval Harari la un interviu ! 😁
Mihail was a terrific host.
Domnule Neamțu, când vom putea urmări un interviu și cu Jordan Peterson?
Eram sigur că cineva va întreba asta! Și eu sunt nerăbdător să văd acest moment. Ar fi superb.
No idea what you said, but yes, Jordan Peterson should be interviewed.
@@AntonioSilvaToronto I asked about when we should expect an interview also with J.P., which it is the same idea of what you said.
If only we could give Douglas and his mates unlimited elected power.
Buckley and Kirkpatrick both opposed the Iraq War. This is a great interview, but that one error should be clarified.
That was excellent! Buckley was right about Bach....
Is it the black & white or has Douglas began to transition into Professor Snape?
Has it got anything to do with his visit to Transylvania?
would be interesting what music douglas is listening to
For those of you who don’t know, Doug has just completed a surfing safari around all the back drops of Australia. So there you have it!!
Pfft... who hasn't?
And came back with a touch of the Richard Armitage 💫
@@AntonioSilvaToronto 😂😂
Brilliant dialog I feel platos presents
Damn... Douglas just gets hotter and hotter. Love the beard and longer hairstyle.
It's not only Dionysus. It's also Artemis. The cruel virgin that delights in killing.
I'm drinking wine now, so I stopped at your mention of Dionysius.
The interesting thing is how the feminists like to identity with Artemis as the 'great Goddess' of the Old World as compared to 'God' (as a male form).
Murray hasnt cut his hair in a while. Or is he planning on having longer hair?
From Douglas's comments on events in the UK, it sounds as if this interview is nearly a year old. Very good nonetheless, but puzzled why it took so long to release it.
Thank you!
I'm not sure I agree with Douglas on how the West viewed China, there was a culture of appeasement in place right back to Patten and the handover of Hong Kong. The argument that appeasing the CCP and they will align with the western democratic project was always dangerously wishful thinking. PS Fukyama was unreadable!
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Mihail needs to invest in a new microphone as the sound quality is less than satisfactory. Nevertheless, always happy to listen to Mr. Murray.
Mr Neamtu please have mercy- buy yourself a good microphone. Great interview but it’s so grating on the ears.
I would like to suggest the ideas of Spinoza (Deus sive Natura, god or nature, god is nature), as a replacement for the now mostly defunct religious institutions. I am not sure if it just my reading of his ideas but he seems to provide a framework for a moral life which is needed by many young people today.
Sadly, what Douglas has in mind to fulfill that role is Christianity. An unforced, catastrophic and therefore all the more unforgivable error on his part.
I prefer to go by his actions and words rather than what you think he is thinking. I do not believe in God but I am prepared to acknowledge some basic values which have been seen for Millenia as Christian values, that is justice and charity. The institutions of Christian Churches have frequently failed to uphold their own basic values, that does not make the values bad or unworthy of espousing. Christianity acquired much “baggage” and that is what many of us want to dispense with, but there are nuggets worth keeping.
@@amandapurdy8543 Not sure what you mean when you say "what you think he's thinking". He can in fact be heard in lectures, debates, conversations and interviews proffering Christianity as his silver bullet to the current malaise in general and the encroachment of Islam in Europe in particular.
Yes, quite right: " *seen* *as* Christian values". Because there is nothing uniquely Christian about them - they are humanist values that can be observed in cultures oblivious to Christianity; a form thereof even among other animals.
Christianity itself meanwhile is predicated on an abomination: the torture to death of an innocent man in expiation of the sins of everyone who believes this. The closer you look at it the more absurd it becomes yet Christians cling to this either oblivious, in denial or indifferent to its horror.
Christianity i.e. religion *is* the baggage. Keeping the Nuggets mired in a dung heap is not their ideal presentation and not necessary.
@@twntwrs I can agree to an extent with your summary of religion but I have not heard DM pushing religion as in the terrible old institutions. I have heard him say society needs a moral underpinning which these institutions provided to some extent and we need to discuss what nuggets we wish to keep for the humanist approach. It feels like you are assuming something about what he believes that I have not heard in the talks and books I have seen read
Great conversation. However, Douglas' optimism regarding what Eastern Europe has to say based on its history is somewhat misplaced because the Catholic Church has become so compromised and seen as clearly corrupt, especially in Poland, and is massively losing its following, just as in Ireland. In Poland, the Solidarity Generation that led to the fall of Communism is old and rapidly dying off, while a national populist party, made up mainly of careerists and provincial opportunists, is built in the image of the old Communist Party but with the Polish Church replacing Moscow as its ideological master. Similar phenomena, but with less Church guidance, are evident in all the former Soviet satellites, while the former Soviet republics, with a few exceptions, are corrupt police states with Presidents-for-life. Note, also, that the spark for Poland's transformation came from the Left, in the form of the Committee for the Defence of Workers (KOR), not so much from the Right, and the Church only became powerful just before Martial Law was declared in late 1981, and during the years of repression which followed. The Left in Poland's parliament may in fact form an effective coalition with the majority populists, since both have very similar economic policies, which would be considered socialist in the West but are really crony state capitalist. The progressive left of the street is unfortunately imbibing Wokeness in a big way, accentuating the culture war, which is just as acute in Poland as in the West. The residue of peasant serfdom, which was abolished in Poland by occupying powers only in the mid-19th century, fills the role of the legacy of Black slavery in the Anglosphere.
Interesting...
Great interview, but some technical notes: your audio is too loud compared to Murray (and the quality isnt the best either). Also, I dont understand the stylistic choice of black & white.
57:00 THIS
Why does Mr. Murray label Moynihan a neocon? Moynihan always rejected "neoconservatism" as a label, and what neoconservatism eventually became, a political movement, never enticed him.
Engleza dvs este excelenta, as vrea sa vorbesc limba romana atat de bine.
Life can't be so horrible when for 10 buck you can have access to all cantatas.
To understand mobs, to understand Dostoevsky, to understand everything, read René Girard
Intro music is horrible. But interesting discussion!
an english man trying hard to find the way out good man we have we dig doug
The “Strange Death of Europe” is Liberalism. This includes Conservatism who’s obsession with individualism, Freedom and GDP growth completely failed to conserve anything for the last 70 years.
There's a lot of sycophants in here that cant see that!!
J.P Hopefully soon
A project conceived to promote Liberal idealogy ended up handing Iraq over to the Shahs. Ironic?
That's the natural course of Liberalism.
Douglas is getting a new style, stubble and long(er) hair.
Be careful.. They will think you are French next
You don't have to be a believer (in the Christian faith) to still endorse the values it propagates.
So I don't really understand the struggle of Douglas Murray in that respect.
Douglas Murray, one of the leaders of the chattering classes. Surely there's something useful he could do.
How many best selling books have you written again?
@@abigailslade3824 I said 'useful'.
@@Johnshaw111 like your comments are useful? His books are useful they opened some people’s eyes and made those already alert to the problems better able to articulate them what have you done again?
@@abigailslade3824 I have not spent my life writing useless books and pretending I know better than anyone else. I have done proper, useful, sometimes difficult jobs
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@@Johnshaw111 like?
What nonesense.
There is just a problem with all of this how you can talk about Christianity!!! when this man it’s contradicted by Christianity!!! can you answer please????
Nu am vorbit despre o religie aparte am vorbit despre Creștinătate!!! Se invocă foarte mult în vorbirea domnului Mihai Neamțu și în vorbirea domnului Douglas!!! În toate interviurile sau postări pe internet vorbește despre creștinătate cum a ținut în picioare societatea și a modelat vestul care-l știm înainte de generația milenară.
... Se pare că dumnealui Nu vrea să răspundă dar este foarte contradictoriu creștinătatea în felul acesta. nu religia abordează astfel de situații ci creștinătatea în toată plinătatea ei interzice situația de față, e este dureros când vezi oamenii rătăcind use în propria lor ideologie și învățătură. Cu cei din afară nu avem nicio legătură pentru că ei vor trăi în felul lor și vor fi așa cum se menționat mai sus până la sfârșit astfel de situații, Te doare când vezi cei care promovează creștinătatea și o aplaudă în oarecare măsură pentru bunul mers al societății și al familiei (Datorită creștinătății) da îți dai seama că vor să aducă în această familie mare e un lucru care nu aparține (Dați mi voie totuși domnule Neamțu să vă felicit totuși și pe dumneavoastră și pe domnul Douglas pentru efortul care îl puneți, da sper să vă găsiți cărarea)
I don’t think you realise it’s the 21st century and your question is nonsensical and ignorant. Douglas Murray is openly gay but is also mindful of the spiritual and cultural values of Christianity. The two are no longer in the contradiction you seem to believe they still are. But I suspect it’s no use talking to you about that because you don’t strike me as someone who asks a question because he is interested in the topic and genuinely wants an honest debate, but rather as someone who expects to be right and his righteousness to be acknowledged, so I won’t waste my time.
@@unknownknowable Sa le impuna cui vrea sa le respecte! Ideea ca religia sa impuna norme sociale intr-un stat laic nu mai e de conceput de vreo doua secole si mai bine. Nu stiu daca ati aflat la scoala, dar separarea religiosului de treburile statului este temelia istoriei moderne.
You've been trained like a lapdog to say communism in eastern Europe was bad. Do you even remember it?
And the ones who lived through it...you called them liars...... Enough and go away...
@@derkguez8590 I lived through it.
It wasn't just bad, it was horrible. I'm also from Romania, like Mihail, I was 11 when communism fell, and some things are still just etched in my brain. Precisely because I was little and for a while, I couldn't understand why we had to spend HOURS waiting to get our meat ration (I think it was 2 pounds/month/person), or vegetable oil ration, or whatever ration - most things were rationed. Not all- you could always find mustard, for instance, and you could buy as much of it as you wanted.
News like "they'll bring meat", "they brought oil" etc. used to spread like fire :)))) I hated the most when the sale started, because people would start pushing and shoving each other, and being smaller, I was scared of being crushed . My father had to rescue a girl from a vinegar (if I remember correctly) queue - she fell and people were stamping on her, because they were also caught in the crush and the ones pushing them couldn't see properly what was happening. She started screaming, and my father, who was a very strong man, managed to push and shove the others and get her out.
Trivia: you could only find oranges close to the winter holidays. In good years, you could also find bananas and Chinese chocolate. Queues were huge, of course.
Still, I was lucky only facing food shortage: I lived in an area where a lot of military personnel lived (there was a Military Academy nearby), so we rarely faced other shortages, like heating or electricity. And we almost always had good methane gas pressure. But a cousin of my mother, for instance, who lived in a different area, she had to cook after 10 pm, if I remember correctly (could've been 8 PM, can't remember that well), because that's when the 2 hours or so of good methane pressure would allow her to properly use the stove .
Also, having to be aware that there were things your parents might say that you really really had not to say to others was a little stressful. I once said something political in the second grade, something like down with socialism (I was about 7 or 8) and the other children told the teacher. I was very lucky - I just got a small beating in front of the class from the teacher but she didn't report it further. I had a few more minor rebellions - I once refused to go do (mandatory) volunteer work because the activity seemed stupid (we had to collect a certain amount of chestnuts for some reason) - my parents were called to school and I had my Good Behavior score reduced (I think I got a 7/10). Also, I once ran away from a patriotic filming - the idea was that they would make a patriotic video with people of all ages singing about the greatness of Ceausescu and the Golden Communist Age for the usual tv propaganda. But the filming delayed for hours, it was cold and the uniforms were not enough to keep us warm so I ran away :)) There were some young soldiers guarding the perimeter of the square who told me that hey, I wasn't allowed to leave, but I started to whine that I am tired and cold, I was on the verge of tears, so they let me go - they were just some young boys in mandatory military service. Again, a berating and a small beating from teachers, parents called to school etc.
Generally speaking, communist children are quite disciplined - I only had a few slips during my 5 years before communism fell, and long after, a girl I was friends with in school told me I seemed very rebellious to her. I would've probably ended up in jail for being an enemy of the people or in a psychiatric hospital - because it wasn't always jail, sometimes, people who couldn't recognize the benefits of communism were declared insane and locked up in psychiatric institutions.
@@katarinahinsey3931 righhhhtttt. Go back to class mrs. hinsey, you're late
@@cristinac196 very good story. These stories are so similar it's insane. Cuba, North Korea, Romania...crazy.
Mihail Neamtu, Oh please, people interested in Douglas Murray just to with him speak, or interact with a presenter. Your invasive plugs for Murray's books is as distracting as commercial television. I won't view this channel again.
Becoming indignant when people don't appreciate your version of fictional religion is laughable and such a waste of human energy.
Oh really Douglas? The intention to go into Iraq and destroy a country on false pretences, who had nothing to do with 9/11 was good, was it? killing, torturing and displacing millions of people and children, Whilst leaving Saudi, the country who produced most of the 9/11 terrorists alone, was justified?
I'm a fan of your writing and views, generally, but I think you ought to give this one some serious thought.
Iraq is still suffering from the aftermath of years of embargo, followed by unjustified wars and American policies. The Americans should've stayed there and completed the job they started, instead they opened up the country to incompetent looters, Iran and terrorists.
Some very good points here but I would just add, and this comports well with your point "Americans should have stayed and finished the job", GHW Bush should have stayed and finished the job back when it was actually conceivably finishable! The justification *was* there that time, the military momentum and competency were there, the International Community's support was there; in short a colossal unforced error and missed opportunity.
@@twntwrs Absolutely! Democracy doesn't happen over night. It takes a lot patience, good education & a few generations.