Hi Buildzoid, the reason your Aida latency benchmark is inconsistent is because windows is still doing things in the background after rebooting. Run it in safemode and it’s super consistent.
i tried it in safe mode and it was very consistent. It was ranging from 0.1ns higher some times and 0.1 ns lower but very close and latency was slightly lower as well
Couldn’t get a stable 6600 oc before, now I can with your settings! Thanks a lot! Only one setting was greyed out, but everything still works fine! I’m glad I got the same exact kit as you, made things easier
@@bibbolegend3507 what did you get for latency in aida64. I'm at exactly what he's got in this video and I'm getting around 63ns average but I'm only on a 12700k.
Hey team! I went for G Skill Z 7200Mhz 32GB kit and applied most of these timings. Working great! Used 1.48v for the VDD and VDDQ and Transmitter, but have a nice BeQuiet fan directly on the DIMMs and they stay under 39 degrees. Have got 7600Mhz at CL36 stable!
yes! Buildzoid did a video on the x670 Aorus Elite AX's VRM's...but never went into memory timings on it :(. I have a kit of Hynix 6000mhz CL32 I want to tweak but there is nearly zero points of reference out there.
@@thenextlevel123 I just copied what I could from this video, which wasn't much. There are missing timings vs Intel /AM3. I'm also still wondering what exactly " low latency" and "high bandwidth" do. With those on I get about 10ns better score with Aida64 vs just with XMP, but no idea what they do. Buildzoid doesn't want to answer any of these sorts of questions either it seems :(. I'm currently scoring about 58ns with Aida64, 6000mhz 32-38-38-80, and system is stable.
@@thenextlevel123 ps: the manual tweaks can be done on top of XMP, no need to disable XMP and do primaries manually and memory voltage (VDD AO) will override xmp's voltage.
I notice that you increased the refresh interval by more than 10X, and I've seen you do similar things in other videos. It seems unlikely to me that DRAM designers are overestimating the refresh requirements by such a large margin, especially since refresh has substantial power cost. How sure are we that regular memory stress tests are creating the kind of conditions that are most difficult for data retention?
Warning, I don't really overclock memory for a living or anything. I heard that the main reason is that of course the memory has to meet some kind of spec and usually that spec involves being in some extreme (for us) temperatures. As in, like 40-50°C ambient temps and such. However, for homes usually it's 23-27°C which I think would decrease power leakage (since lower ambient temps = lower RAM temps = less leakage) and therefore you don't need to recharge it as often. Idk about the tests being a good estimator of memory though but in my experience you could basically always crank the tREFI really high unless you're super concerned about your data
We need a newer version of this video with the new bios 2413. I attempted to use these timings with my gskill ddr5 8000 24x2 cl40 but my bios menu said different stuff when i got down to doing changes and got scared.
Memtweakit doesn't work anymore (it may have to do with a windows update). DRAM REF Cycle Time is grayed out for me. There is a DRAM REF Cycle Time 2. My setup: ASUS TUF Z790 Plus WiFi 13700k 2x16GB Kingston FURY DDR5 6000 36-38-38-80
Yo for anyone that has the gskill trident z5 6400 CL32 kit, I saw a lot of you saying that these timings are unstable... I have this kit and can run these timings 100% stable @ 6400mhz with the 1.4v's exactly like he has it in the video. If you are unable to boot, its probably because you set a subtiming wrong. They are not in the same order on my MOBO as they are in this video, its easy to set the wrong thing. Lastly, if you get errors running a memtest, or large ffts on prime95, its probably due to your cache OC, or CPU OC. disable your CPU OC's, then adjust ram, test for stability, then do your CPU OCing. If you do get errors, to check if its the ram or CPU, you could also lower the ram MHZ to something really low, retest and if you still get the error than its caused by your CPU overclock. edit: For reference -13700k (stock) - ASUS z790 prime-A - Trident z5 6400mhz 32, 39, 39, 102 @ 1.4v ; tuned to 6400mhz 32, 39, 39, 28 | Command rate: 2T
This video helped me a lot setting my xmp to be stable on z790 Asus board with gskills , which did not want to be stable on the stock xmp profile, thank you!
Hoping for a AMD video for 6000mhz or so. I'm over here getting 67ns with xmp : /. Also Asus BIOS is waaaaay too different vs Gigabyte, I can't copy almost any of this.
Would these timings also apply for the "TEAMGROUP T-Force Delta RGB DDR5 Ram 32GB (2x16GB) 6800MHz PC5-54400 CL34" kit you recommended in your DDR5 video? I'm about to upgrade my 10900k/z490/DDR4/4000 to a 13700K , DDR5 Team-group 6800MT/s CL34, ASUS ROG Strix Z790-A Gaming Wi-Fi LGA. Wondering if I can run these timings ? Sucks kuz I'm just starting to get my head around DDR4 & now I'm going to DDR5.lol.. Oh and love your videos, they are prefect for ADHD/OCD people like me …..
Yeah it’s Hynix A die, you’ll probably need to run the tRFC a bit higher (400-500 ish) and the tRRDS/L at 4 & 8. Unfortunately one of my dimms is defective so I can’t test for myself until the new kit arrives in a week or so. Just run a memory stress test like TM5 or Kahru for a few hours and if there are no errors you’ll be fine 👍🏻
@@IIHydraII Thanks bro! this actually helped me. Told me basically what I need to dial back some. Took a bit of trial & error but it worked and allowed me to implement all his other settings on my $190 Teamgroup 2x24 cl34 7200mts M-DIE kit, on my cheap-ass Asus z790-plus motherboard and i7-12700k CPU (both were on sale for about 200 each). Made a huge difference too! I was getting terrible latency times in AIDA64. Still not quite as good as Buildzoid's in this video, but from 76 to 57ns @6200mts cl32,38,38,28. Probably can eek out a bit more but I'm good for now 👍 and yeah I know, the RAM was definitely an overkill/non-economical choice considering the other combined gear but I really didn't know what I was doing when I bought all this stuff and thought one day, I could throw in another similar 2x24gb kit when cheaper for 96gb total RAM... but after watching/learning from a couple of Buildzoid's videos, it will probably perform terribly, if at all. 😢Not sure if its worth returning though. any maybe TMI but just wanted to thank you.
Can you create a similar tutorial for the newer Hynix A-die RAMs with 7200 MT/s and above? Just tried these settings on my Corsair DP 7200 CL34 sticks with ASUS Maximus Z790 Extreme and the system would not post to BIOS.
me too bro..thanks for the awesome well needed and wanted vid!!! got a z690 apex board and just bought trident z5 6400 hynix kit bout to get right and get tight baby!!! thanks again!
I wish there would have been more videos like this for the z490 chipset because learning to tune my RAM on my Maximus Hero XII was quite the learning curve. BTW some bios updates have come out for z490 that gave some serious stability gains for RAM overclocking
overclocking the 12900K is a PITA on ASUS AiOC, total inconsistent results with my G-Skill Trident 16x2 ddr5 6000 36-36-36-72 at XPM I profile and AiOC CPU overclocking enabled with an 89 value on the Predictive setting (which is supposed to dial down expectations). I get up to 5200 to 5400 speed but voltage spikes are ridiculous at 1.43v (idle) to 1.49v and sometimes higher when gaming or doing stress or benchies. So crashes occur while gaming if both are set (XMP & OC). It's hard to overclock anymore, it's a real shame that Intel can't build these 12900's to crank out at least a single-core of 5.5 or so. I mean, yea, i would get a 13900K and slap it on the z690 mobo, but I'm paying $550 for 500Mhz and what am I going to get, like 2 to 3 more FPS at the most? Probably yea. I listen to Buildzoid because in his 13900K video he spells out how ridiculous it is anymore to get these chips to OC at worthwhile values and heat. The average gamer has an AIO cooler on their CPU not a custom water block, which doubles the cost of gaming (EK water block). I realize my RAM is friggin' junk (G-skill are Samsung memory chips) after spending a fortune on the ram early in the game. What a tragedy of events as I ho-hum my way through the tulip patch at 4900.
@@dabneyoffermein595 @dabneyoffermein595 The 13700k would upgrade your Single core very close to 13900k and get the same FPS, for 430(€) and still have comparable Multicore to your 12900k, do you really need more Multicore? Swap to a 13700k and then to 14th gen next..
"Rumor" out there said there's a degradation problem in imc of 12th gen. After months of overclocking, it became unstable even if you don't chang any voltage and timing
I had to translate to MSI BIOS, but these settings were a solid improvement for my GSkill (Hynix) 6000/30 kit. It ran these advanced settings at 6000 CL30 at stock 1.35v. Only thing is the latency at lower inject delay seems poor in Intel MLC, over 100ns, compared to 50s at the high end. That spread seems high compared to some tests you have shown (70s low to 50s high). Which settings affect that most if I study the more advanced guides?
If windows or any program is doing anything in back ground when you run the tests, the ns benchmark will be all over the place. Restart in safemode and try the memory tests to get consistent data.
Hey! I have the Gskill 6000mhz ram too! Question so I've activated the xmp 1 profile at 4800mhz Max so am I to understand if I change these timings will this give me the full 6000? Is there anything special I need to do otherwise ?
@@housebaelishgaming did you figure it out? Your mobo might not be able to handle the 6000 speed, but it most likely should (if it’s a decent z690). What I would do is f5 default your settings, and manually set your ram to 4800mhz, also set your DRAM voltage to what’s listed for the kit you bought (most likely 1.35v or 1.4v). Assuming your kit is the trident z5 6000mhz CL30 kit, enter all the ram timings as he has it. Then boot and if it does boot, restart your PC, raise the ram MHZ by 200 (no need to change the voltage again at this point unless it’s unstable), and if it boots raise by another 200mhz. Keep repeating this in steps of 200mhz, until you reach the 6000mhz. Sometimes if you set the mhz too high at first it won’t boot due to memory training and the motherboard not being built well for DDR5, but you can achieve the speed by letting the memory get trained and only taking it up in steps of 200mhz. Hope this helps.
I am shocked nobody mentioned your voice in the comments - it's hard for me not to, not that there is anything wrong with it, but it does sound quite familiar, couldn't help close my eyes and imagine it from the perspective of that character, 'nuff said, I'll let people figure out what I am talking about :P
Hi if anyone can help me I have a Asus Z690 Formula, 12900k and 2 x 16gb DDR5 Corsair 6200mz Dominator Platinum Memory and I can’t seem to get XMP to work at all I’m currently on bios version 1505, every time try and run XMP all I get is message saying posted in safe mode of bios, no idea what to do to get the 6200mz that bought memory for please any help would be massively appreciated
Hey forum, is there a Samsung B-Die DDR5 timings OC video or any AM5 RAM tuning on this channel? I just bought a 5200Mt CL40 KIT and pushed it to 6400Mt on AM5 no problem with 1.27V, so I am looking to improve the perfomance further with tightening the timings, but I have no idea what these chips are capable of with Ryzen memory controlers. I'll just probably do it one by one, but with the horrible boot times on AM5 motherboards, I'd love to see some tested results so I can go from somewhere. Thank you!
Telling me I can just double-click the Memory label to run JUST that test in AIDA64 is worth the thumbs-up just by itself... i miss the star rating system.
Well, I left the timings that were lower as is and lowered the ones that needed to be changed. The only one I couldn't set lower was the tPPD=2, soon as I change it to 0 it would auto go back to 2. 3DMark CPU went from 22536 to 22816, AIDA64 Read went from 102.66 to 104.75 GB/s , Write 102319 MB/s to 100.72 GB/s , Copy 100576 MB/s to 100.16 GB/s and Latency stayed at 59ns it has gone down to 56 or 54 before can't remember which. Any ways I got a boost so I will take whatever I can get so thank you for the video.
I have now tried 3 different versions of Mem TweakIt but it wont start giving me, the "Error during driver initialization" Is there any alternative software for on the fly timing adjustment? I have Windows 10 and Asus B660 motherboard
I can only get down to 63ns (59 on a lucky run) with these exact settings with my hyperx fury 6000c40 (set to 6200c36 as in the video). I'm only on a 12700k with b660 board but you'd think identical memory settings would be close.
Hey BZ, I’m still struggling with DDR5 a year later…I know this is an older vid but I’m trying to run these Corsair Vengeance 4x32gb at 6400mhz, which is what the DIMMs are rated for. Any DOCP I, II, or Tweaked profile won’t boot. I feel like it needs to be manually tuned even to hit 4800 or 5200. If I bypass DOCP and set to manual on an ASUS X670E Hero can I use this voltages and sub timings?
Shit tried this on trident g skill 6000 kit and couldn’t get it to run at all. Even if I tried increasing voltage to 1.45. Tried to loosen timings and still nothing.
hey, i get the principle about getting the main timings down reduces latency but i still dont really know what any of them mean let alone the subtimings, how do you make heads of tails over all of them? is there more fundamentals you need to learn before even attempting this? i dont think i will ever play with subtimings but where do you start on learning any of this information. i cant find any "memory timings for idiots" so to speak
cant get these to post at 8000 when changing the timings and voltage from xmp tweaked, using 2x24gb gskill kit, its fully stable at 8000 xmp tweaked. the only main difference and potential issue i saw is that i cannot set the timing DRAM REF Cycle time , its grayed out, while i can set DRAM REF Cycle Time 2, which is what i did... but like i said it wont even post.
i have this is my ram: Gskill DDR5 Trident Z5 RGB PC44800 32GB (2x16GB) Dual Channel - F5-5600J4040C16GX2-TZ5RS the speed is 5600mhz. i am very new to RAM overclocking. is there a guide for this RAM kit? this is also a samsung b-die, is it good for overclocking?
Should IVR transmitter voltage always be the same as your two dram voltages? In other words I'm applying these subtiming improvements to a existing memory overclock that's running at 1.5v, so should IVR transmitter also be 1.5v?
Any suggestions on where to start with A-die Dual-rank (2x32gb) timings? G.Skill 6400mhz/CL32, with a 14700k and ASUS Tuf gaming z790 PLUS I have XMP on and its pretty good on the bandwidth, though the aida latency is still like 64-66ns
Looking everywhere on youtube to help me with my setup, but still no luck. I have a Z790-E ASUS motherboard with an Intel i9 14900K CPU and 2x16GB Corsair Vengeance 6000 C36 kit. When I try to enable XMPI/II/Tweaked I got stuck in a bootloop at 6000MHz, 5800MHz, 5600MHz even on 4000MHz, forcing me to revert this setting to non XMP leaving me with 4000MHz, while paying for 6000. I tried adding voltage (by per PMIC) up to 1.425V, still no luck. What am I doing wrong?
FYI. Turn on Memory Context to retrain your memory if you are overclocking any memory timings. My PC 7950x / Asus B650E and 64gb DDR6000 CL30-38-38-96 along with Buildroid's custom timings would instantly BSOD on boot or wake from sleep/hibernation. After renabling Memory context to retrain before boot, BSOD stops and system loads normally.
Would these timings work for my kit that uses sk A die? Is M die better than A? currently have my teamgroup 6000mhz kit running at 7400mhz but have not manually adjusted timing other than from CL38 to CL34 and voltage at 1.45v
@@RagedFPS ah ok good luck! just be careful with the voltage, and you will be fine, go max like 1.45 if you have 2 sticks of ram or 1.435 like me if you have 4, they get hot but nothing will happen, crashes most likely
I must be doing something wrong as with these timings on a G.Skill DDR5-6000 CL32 2x16GB Kit, Intel 13700K and Asus Z690, the motherboard won't even post. Any ideas?
I tried these exact settings last night on a Z690 Apex (BIOS 1304) and 6400CL32 kit. I saw a nice boost in AIDA like in the video, but my OS became corrupted and my SSD went into write protect. I must be part of the 0.01% that this doesn't work for... oh well.
the timings in this video should work on any motherboard as long as you have Hynix DIMMs and aren't pushing north of 7000Mbps. IDK if they work above 7000mbps because I can't do speeds that high on any of my boards.
So you kind of need your Asus board to even boot with either of the xmp profiles? Still waiting for the bios update for my prime z-690 that allows either xmp profile to boot my fury beast ddr5. Go Asus!!!
Man Ddr5 is a pain, tried these on Z690 apex with 13900kf and no luck 🙄. So little information available on ddr5 oc that I'm guessing should probably just tweak cl a bit and call it a day.
I just tried these values on 2x16gb of corsair ddr5 6600 (hynix) ram on a hero z790 board (13900k), but it's slightly unstable giving one error on test 5 of absolute anta memtest. Which timings can I tweak to give full stability, maybe tweaking tRFC and tREFI?
Bullzoid your subs are working really nice on my kit! My hynix mdie kit is currently running on 6000 30-36-36-28. I did try to get 6400c32 stable, but i think that my mobo has issues with higher ram speeds than 6000mhz. Do you know if stable 6000+ mhz is feasable on asus b660 boards. my specs: i5 12400@4800allcore, asus b660 strix-f, 2x16gb Kingston fury 6000c40 ram
Thanks for the video Buildzoid, the link you provided to ROG's Mem TweakIt is the first version I've managed to successfully launch on my Z690 Hero board! I'll definitely be trying your setting out today as I have the Dominator Platinum RGB 6200's which I believe are also SK Hynix M-Die. A question... is it possible to get 1T timings working with DDR5? I've had zero success with either DDR5 4800 or 6200 kits.
@@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking thanks for the video. I got these settings working on first try on a z790 gigabyte gaming x with 13700k running only pcores with a Kingston renegade 6400 c32 Hynix mdie. However latency down not go below 60ns. However the only timing o could not find on the gigabyte board is the tpt timing
Asus Z790F, TEAMGROUP T-Force Delta RGB DDR5 Ram 32GB (2x16GB) 7200MHz PC5-57600 CL34 A-DIE, Intel 13700K. Single RAM stick in A2 or B2 runs XMPII at 7200 fine, memetests no errors. Both RAM sticks single are fine. When I use 2 sticks in A2 and B2 (dual channel) the whole thing is unstable no matter what. BSODs, corrupt apps crashing, total nightmare, even stock settings at 5600.
I'm currently experimenting with this videos setting with my new Mobo/CPU config I just purchased. I7-12700k, Asus Z790-PLUS WIFI and a pair of Single Rank Teamgroup T-create 48GB (2x24gb) 7200MTs M-DIE CL34-42-42-84 1.4v I'm not able to POST with XMP1 but am able to with XMP2. But I can't get into windows without crashing unless I clock it down to 7000... but it's still not stable in games or tests like OCCT or Memtest86. It has to clock it all the way down to 6200 to get to truly be stable. 😢
I ended up reverting to stock XMP2 because his settings wouldn't POST on my board. Memtest gave errors until I lowered the speed to 7000. Good enough for me, so that's what I'm going with. @@Sprinkles-BtE
@@WickedCrispy I actually got Buildzoid's settings to work dude! Well, almost all of his settings. But it made a huge difference! Follow the advice that IIHydraII gave on ejosephsimon's comment thread in here. Basically, you can do everything Buildzoid did but you probably just have to loosen a few key timings to get it to work. I basically had to set the Secondary Timings of DRAM RAS# to RAS# Delay "L" to 8, and the "S" to 6, along with DRAM REF Cycle Time 2 to 500 and DRAM Refresh Time Same Bank to 400. Not only am I able to POST and boot windows, I've done four '1 hour' passes of OCCT AVX memory test (the AVX version seems to be more sensitive in my experience) and four '3 hour' long Memtest86 test, all passed with no errors! I later revisited those same settings just to see how much tighter they can be. I was able to get DRAM RAS# to RAS# Delay "L" to 7 and the "S" to 5 (any lower and no POST) and I was able to further reduce DRAM REF Cycle Time 2 to 475 (450 and no POST) and DRAM Refresh Time Same Bank to 325 - I tried 300 and it actually POST but my system was weirdly unstable - it would lock up randomly while trying to enter the BIOS or shortly after getting back in! This was a pretty scary position to be in because it's just at the cusp of failure. The BIOS is believing the setting is fine and not booting to "safe mode", but it would hardly give you long enough to go back and change it to a looser setting before locking up again! But thankfully, with some quick hands, I was able to make it back to that setting, loosen it up to 325, save and reboot! And now... Well now, it's golden! But to be honest, even getting these timings *that* close to the razor's edge didn't change that much in the benchmarks over the settings I initially told you (ever so slightly worse read, but slightly faster write and copy - about the same latency - kind of a wash unless write is more important 🤷♂). So it may not worth all the trouble to fine tune it *that* close. Despite my RAM sticks being of the same maker and same speed, obviously there's enough difference that my exact setting might not work (2x24gb and M-die after all) but you should at least give it another try... just try loosening up those 4 settings over what Buildzoid outlined before giving up. You're leaving a lot of performance on the table. Overall, it reduced my latency in AIDA from 76 to 57 and helped the throughput of ADIA read, write and copy by ~10+ gigs per second at only 6200mt/s (the max my 12gen cpu/mobo combo seems to be able to handle, in seems)! Makes me feel a little better about my not-so-great buying decision. Many thanks to you, Buildzoid, if you bother to read these things. 🙂You really changed how I look at RAM and the marketing of them. I wish I had discovered his channel sooner. Especially before buying my recent PC upgrades.
I can't change the dram ref cycle value on mine. So it's grayed out. How can I open the value DDR5. My ram G-SKILL 6400 32 39 39 102 but running nice with your Timings
I know this vid is old, but what changes would you need to make to stabilize A-die? I have g.skill F5-6000J3040F16GA2-RS5W 2x16 ram and the number next to the barcode ends in "21A" so I assume it's hynix A-die. Like the dumbass I am, I tried these timings on my MSI z790 board (left voltage at 1.35) and it wouldn't post so I had to do a CMOS reset. I assume it's because I set my tRFC2 and tRFCPB too low, but I'm afraid there are other settings set too low for A-die to handle.
Gonna try these settings on my Asus Z690i ITX board with my 12700k. I bought CMK32GX5M2B6400C32o which is an SK Hynix kit though im not sure if its A die or M die. I had no idea about the IVR transmitter voltage needed to be 1.4v, i've left it at default so maybe that explains my stability issues at anything higher than 6600mhz. Edit: Do these settings work for SK Hynix A Die too? @actually hardcore overclocking?
Great Guide for DDR5 improvement 👌but my ASUS ROG Strix B660 G-Gaming dont work with the MemTweakIt link. In BIOS is Realtime Memory Timing enabled. Can you help me?
Hello i wanted to say that i have an i7 12700 k + mb same as u+g.skill 6400 trident. I did the exact value from your video and i get only 100 point more on 3dmark. Then i set the first timing at 30 37 37 and i got an improvement of 1000 Point on 3dmark. As for the latence in ns i got first time by defaut xmp 62.10 then with your setup 59 then with the changing of first timing 56. I dont know if i can improve it ??? Tx your for all your work it s very usefull.
Hey Buildzoid, i now that its a little bit offtopic but do i need active cooling for b-die when i have my cpu cooled with Be Quiet Dark Rock 4 pro and my case has decent airflow? I have Fractal Design meshify c with modded front panel ( i removed foam filter from it) and i have 2x 140 at front and 1x 120 at back noctua nf fans. I don't see how i could put any fan under my ram without going into LC or getting smaller cpu cooler. I was going to use ~1.5V on Patriot Viper 4400cl19
First off, thx for an awesome channel and all the good info. Just ordered a Asus board and Corsair CMK32GX5M2B6000C30 memory. After googling my ass off Ive come to the conclusion that I bought Hynix from the 30-36-36-76. Have I understood this correctly? :)
Just for fun, I tried out the settings with the new Dominator 6600 CL32 on an Asus Hero. Doesn't work unfortunately... don't even post with the timings. :)
7:45 Wrong explaination, you should talk not about memory speed or memory type VCCSA afftecting on MemCLK max freq, not the DDR DDR4- 3100/DDR5-6200 = 1550mhz memclk, which is not high. That is correct explanation why SA can be 1v
from intel 12th gen documentation part2: "Gear2 Mode (GEAR2): Indicate that MC is working in Gear-2 (Qclk is half the data transfer clock of the DRAM)" the RAM clock is 3100MHz. The IMC clock(QCLK) is at 1550MHz which is why you don't need much if any extra VCCSA since upto 1800MHz QCLK can work with 0.9V VCCSA depending on the CPU.
I know it's a 2 year old video but I got Micron d-die with my 6200 c36 kit 😭, maybe we need a new buying guide since there are now kits with micron chips with 62, 64 and even 6600.
Hello, I have an Asus b660a gaming edge 6000mhz(O.C) wifi ddr5 motherboard and when I open gskill 2x16 32 gb cl36 ram 6000 mhz xmp 3.0, I get a blue screen error. I have no problems in games, especially at 5800 mhz. I can run it at 5800 mhz when xmp is not turned on. ?
Do these tweaks work with ANY Corsair Hynix DDR5 RAM. For example mine is Corsair Dominator Platinum 6600 MT/s CL32 2x32GB with Hynix A-Die. Will these tweaks work, that is can I follow your suggestions on subtimings 1:1?
I have 32Gb TridentZ 6400CL32 and I'm getting 55MB/s reads which seems horrendous? Do you have to run this benchmark after a fresh boot and close all other tasks etc?
I got a X670E Pro Art board, and alot of these settings you are changing, is not listed or doesnt have the same name. Is that due to the Pro Art board being ''stripped down'' on some of these memory settings?
i updated my bios to v2703 (latest), i set my XMP 1 on, then started crashing in all games. few days later i set my XMP to disabled, set everything default, rebooted to windows, it ran fine. went back into bios to re-enable XMP to 6000mhz like before at XMP 1 and it now works. weird. z690 tuf gaming plus wifi, hyperx 2x8gb 6000mhz xmp ram. also, is it normal for the PC to restart several times with an orange light, then run fine after a few restarts & load into windows properly on when i enable XMP to 1?
Hi Buildzoid, awesome video and very informative DDR5 performance tweaks on ASUS ROG motherboards. I recently purchased several 32GB kits of G.Skill TridentZ DDR5 6000 CL32 and 6400 CL36 which vary between Hynix A-Die and M-Die that I will be using to build a couple iRacing simulators. I will be using the A-Die kits for my higher end i9-13900K builds and M-Die for i5-13600K builds. I have been applying a lot your timing recommendations with outstanding results, however, I noticed ASUS made a change to the DRAM REF Cycle time = AUTO setting when I upgraded the BIOS to version 2305 on the Z690-E Gaming board. The DRAM REF Cycle time = AUTO is now "Greyed Out" and cannot be overridden. Do you think there will be any performance impact or stability issues based on your recommended settings now that the DRAM REF Cycle time is set to AUTO instead of 333?
i have 2x32gb crosair hynix that is 6200mt cl32 32 38 38 80 running on 1.4v, when enable xmp the pc train memory & work fine, but when start gaming i get crashing & sometimes pc restarts, then i run stability test for memory on OCCT i get many errors, how can i make it stable on my system whithout me redusing the ram speed? i have 12900k on gigabyte aorus ultra z690 motherboard
To confirm, will these kits work on the Apex z690? I don't see them listed on the QVL, so just want to be sure before I hit buy. (totally new to overclocking)
@Buildzoid, im running a kit of kingston fury beast ddr5 6000mhz cas40 that absolutelyn wont run these settings. Infact nothing i try with them seems to run, i think this hynix kit is pushed at its limit allready unless my board (asus z690 Gaming E) is preventing me somehow. I really wonder as i hear hynix should easely be able to do more than these.
Got the same kit as you. Mine does 6000 30-36-36-28 with bullzoids subs @1.4v vdimm just fine. I think you might wan´t to check your memory controller voltage. I set mine to 1.246 volts. My mobo is a b660strix-f.
Same here. It will not boot. I'm thinking maybe memory training is occurring. The fans are ablaze at 100%. I changed the SA back to Auto and got the same. How long should memory training take? How did you achieve those timings?
Hi Buildzoid, the reason your Aida latency benchmark is inconsistent is because windows is still doing things in the background after rebooting. Run it in safemode and it’s super consistent.
i tried it in safe mode and it was very consistent. It was ranging from 0.1ns higher some times and 0.1 ns lower but very close and latency was slightly lower as well
Yes but that's not a realistic test because you aren't going to be using your PC in safe mode.
@@t7274 The point is you're comparing differences between tuned and untuned memory. Of course you want to remove as many variables as possible...
When i hear the words extreme tweaker all i can think about is some guy doing meth.
lol
Is there a really a difference? 😕😁
maybe a little niche, but I'd like to request a subtimings guide for dual rank DDR5s as well! for instance G.Skill 64GB 6400MHz CL32 kit (2×32).
Have u Found out the subtime for that 😂mine is sitting at 70plus ns which is awful
Any luck in overclocking it?
I second this
He has a video on the timings with 4 dimms
th-cam.com/video/mQVHlIS1lz0/w-d-xo.html
Exactly what I'm looking for.. can't find anyone talking how to tune the dual rank sticks..
got a ballin ddr5 kit and an asus board just this week, so this video is very appreciated ❤
Thanks!
Thank you so much for sharing these settings! Very noticable improvement with my existing GSkill Trident DDR560000 64gb kits CL-30-38-38-96
Couldn’t get a stable 6600 oc before, now I can with your settings! Thanks a lot! Only one setting was greyed out, but everything still works fine! I’m glad I got the same exact kit as you, made things easier
Did you use the same exact voltages and timings as this video?
@@MrDutch1e I did, sadly I couldn’t get 6600mhz to be fully stable.. went for 6400
@@bibbolegend3507 what did you get for latency in aida64. I'm at exactly what he's got in this video and I'm getting around 63ns average but I'm only on a 12700k.
Why when i load my xmp1 or 2 profil i got error bios ?
@@CristianoRonaldo-zy3pq getting the same thing and asus just shrugs there shoulders
Hey team! I went for G Skill Z 7200Mhz 32GB kit and applied most of these timings. Working great! Used 1.48v for the VDD and VDDQ and Transmitter, but have a nice BeQuiet fan directly on the DIMMs and they stay under 39 degrees. Have got 7600Mhz at CL36 stable!
I would really like to see a memory oc like this with zen4.
yes! Buildzoid did a video on the x670 Aorus Elite AX's VRM's...but never went into memory timings on it :(. I have a kit of Hynix 6000mhz CL32 I want to tweak but there is nearly zero points of reference out there.
@@insertnamehere4419 Did you ever find anything?
@@thenextlevel123 I just copied what I could from this video, which wasn't much. There are missing timings vs Intel /AM3. I'm also still wondering what exactly " low latency" and "high bandwidth" do. With those on I get about 10ns better score with Aida64 vs just with XMP, but no idea what they do. Buildzoid doesn't want to answer any of these sorts of questions either it seems :(. I'm currently scoring about 58ns with Aida64, 6000mhz 32-38-38-80, and system is stable.
@@insertnamehere4419 do you mind sending me what settings you've got for the gigabyte? My ram is at 65 right now would be nice to get that down some.
@@thenextlevel123 ps: the manual tweaks can be done on top of XMP, no need to disable XMP and do primaries manually and memory voltage (VDD AO) will override xmp's voltage.
I notice that you increased the refresh interval by more than 10X, and I've seen you do similar things in other videos. It seems unlikely to me that DRAM designers are overestimating the refresh requirements by such a large margin, especially since refresh has substantial power cost. How sure are we that regular memory stress tests are creating the kind of conditions that are most difficult for data retention?
Warning, I don't really overclock memory for a living or anything.
I heard that the main reason is that of course the memory has to meet some kind of spec and usually that spec involves being in some extreme (for us) temperatures. As in, like 40-50°C ambient temps and such. However, for homes usually it's 23-27°C which I think would decrease power leakage (since lower ambient temps = lower RAM temps = less leakage) and therefore you don't need to recharge it as often. Idk about the tests being a good estimator of memory though but in my experience you could basically always crank the tREFI really high unless you're super concerned about your data
Thank you. Works like a champ. Unfortunately I can only get 5600M/T stable but your timings made it easier to deal with.
We need a newer version of this video with the new bios 2413. I attempted to use these timings with my gskill ddr5 8000 24x2 cl40 but my bios menu said different stuff when i got down to doing changes and got scared.
couldnt find CPU system/input agent voltage in new bios
You saved me from formatting my pc. Thank you so much
Memtweakit doesn't work anymore (it may have to do with a windows update).
DRAM REF Cycle Time is grayed out for me. There is a DRAM REF Cycle Time 2.
My setup:
ASUS TUF Z790 Plus WiFi
13700k
2x16GB Kingston FURY DDR5 6000 36-38-38-80
greyed out for me as well, found any fixes/workaround on how to change it ?
@@chiefgrizzly I changed the next setting instead (same name, only "2" at the end, as mentioned above).
Yo for anyone that has the gskill trident z5 6400 CL32 kit, I saw a lot of you saying that these timings are unstable... I have this kit and can run these timings 100% stable @ 6400mhz with the 1.4v's exactly like he has it in the video. If you are unable to boot, its probably because you set a subtiming wrong. They are not in the same order on my MOBO as they are in this video, its easy to set the wrong thing. Lastly, if you get errors running a memtest, or large ffts on prime95, its probably due to your cache OC, or CPU OC. disable your CPU OC's, then adjust ram, test for stability, then do your CPU OCing. If you do get errors, to check if its the ram or CPU, you could also lower the ram MHZ to something really low, retest and if you still get the error than its caused by your CPU overclock.
edit: For reference
-13700k (stock)
- ASUS z790 prime-A
- Trident z5 6400mhz 32, 39, 39, 102 @ 1.4v ; tuned to 6400mhz 32, 39, 39, 28 | Command rate: 2T
Yo just fyi, got the same kit, cpu, mobo as u. I pushed it to 6800 with 32 39 39 28, u can try to push it a little further too
Cpu oc is more important than ram oc. Do cpu oc 1st and then ram oc
This video helped me a lot setting my xmp to be stable on z790 Asus board with gskills , which did not want to be stable on the stock xmp profile, thank you!
*I"m having the absolute HARDEST time believing you knocked the tRAS down from 76 to 28, successfully.*
*But, clearly, you did. I am blown away.*
Hoping for a AMD video for 6000mhz or so. I'm over here getting 67ns with xmp : /. Also Asus BIOS is waaaaay too different vs Gigabyte, I can't copy almost any of this.
How do we extrapolate this config for A-Die sticks? I'm under the impression that M-Dies run tighter timings.
Did you ever test these with A die kits?
Would these timings also apply for the "TEAMGROUP T-Force Delta RGB DDR5 Ram 32GB (2x16GB) 6800MHz PC5-54400 CL34" kit you recommended in your DDR5 video?
I'm about to upgrade my 10900k/z490/DDR4/4000 to a 13700K , DDR5 Team-group 6800MT/s CL34, ASUS ROG Strix Z790-A Gaming Wi-Fi LGA. Wondering if I can run these timings ?
Sucks kuz I'm just starting to get my head around DDR4 & now I'm going to DDR5.lol.. Oh and love your videos, they are prefect for ADHD/OCD people like me …..
Yeah it’s Hynix A die, you’ll probably need to run the tRFC a bit higher (400-500 ish) and the tRRDS/L at 4 & 8. Unfortunately one of my dimms is defective so I can’t test for myself until the new kit arrives in a week or so. Just run a memory stress test like TM5 or Kahru for a few hours and if there are no errors you’ll be fine 👍🏻
Ran Memtest for 1 hour 0 errors.
@7200MT/s 👍
@@IIHydraII Thanks bro! this actually helped me. Told me basically what I need to dial back some. Took a bit of trial & error but it worked and allowed me to implement all his other settings on my $190 Teamgroup 2x24 cl34 7200mts M-DIE kit, on my cheap-ass Asus z790-plus motherboard and i7-12700k CPU (both were on sale for about 200 each). Made a huge difference too! I was getting terrible latency times in AIDA64. Still not quite as good as Buildzoid's in this video, but from 76 to 57ns @6200mts cl32,38,38,28. Probably can eek out a bit more but I'm good for now 👍 and yeah I know, the RAM was definitely an overkill/non-economical choice considering the other combined gear but I really didn't know what I was doing when I bought all this stuff and thought one day, I could throw in another similar 2x24gb kit when cheaper for 96gb total RAM... but after watching/learning from a couple of Buildzoid's videos, it will probably perform terribly, if at all. 😢Not sure if its worth returning though. any maybe TMI but just wanted to thank you.
Works just like that and about same performance increase. Great free performance 💪
Can you create a similar tutorial for the newer Hynix A-die RAMs with 7200 MT/s and above? Just tried these settings on my Corsair DP 7200 CL34 sticks with ASUS Maximus Z790 Extreme and the system would not post to BIOS.
me too bro..thanks for the awesome well needed and wanted vid!!! got a z690 apex board and just bought trident z5 6400 hynix kit bout to get right and get tight baby!!! thanks again!
did everything you did and runs great! THANKS MAN!!!!
system agent to run cinebench needs to be 1.25 for same setup as buildzoid but different ddr5
also doing a ai oc...
I wish there would have been more videos like this for the z490 chipset because learning to tune my RAM on my Maximus Hero XII was quite the learning curve. BTW some bios updates have come out for z490 that gave some serious stability gains for RAM overclocking
overclocking the 12900K is a PITA on ASUS AiOC, total inconsistent results with my G-Skill Trident 16x2 ddr5 6000 36-36-36-72 at XPM I profile and AiOC CPU overclocking enabled with an 89 value on the Predictive setting (which is supposed to dial down expectations). I get up to 5200 to 5400 speed but voltage spikes are ridiculous at 1.43v (idle) to 1.49v and sometimes higher when gaming or doing stress or benchies. So crashes occur while gaming if both are set (XMP & OC). It's hard to overclock anymore, it's a real shame that Intel can't build these 12900's to crank out at least a single-core of 5.5 or so. I mean, yea, i would get a 13900K and slap it on the z690 mobo, but I'm paying $550 for 500Mhz and what am I going to get, like 2 to 3 more FPS at the most? Probably yea. I listen to Buildzoid because in his 13900K video he spells out how ridiculous it is anymore to get these chips to OC at worthwhile values and heat. The average gamer has an AIO cooler on their CPU not a custom water block, which doubles the cost of gaming (EK water block). I realize my RAM is friggin' junk (G-skill are Samsung memory chips) after spending a fortune on the ram early in the game. What a tragedy of events as I ho-hum my way through the tulip patch at 4900.
@@dabneyoffermein595 @dabneyoffermein595 The 13700k would upgrade your Single core very close to 13900k and get the same FPS, for 430(€) and still have comparable Multicore to your 12900k, do you really need more Multicore? Swap to a 13700k and then to 14th gen next..
Z490 doesnt have ddr5
The only one I can’t change is dram ref cycle time, it’s greyed out, any idea why?
Same on my Z790-f. But mine wont even post, tested the settings 3 times now, but no luck.
"Rumor" out there said there's a degradation problem in imc of 12th gen. After months of overclocking, it became unstable even if you don't chang any voltage and timing
I had to translate to MSI BIOS, but these settings were a solid improvement for my GSkill (Hynix) 6000/30 kit. It ran these advanced settings at 6000 CL30 at stock 1.35v. Only thing is the latency at lower inject delay seems poor in Intel MLC, over 100ns, compared to 50s at the high end. That spread seems high compared to some tests you have shown (70s low to 50s high). Which settings affect that most if I study the more advanced guides?
If windows or any program is doing anything in back ground when you run the tests, the ns benchmark will be all over the place. Restart in safemode and try the memory tests to get consistent data.
Hey! I have the Gskill 6000mhz ram too! Question so I've activated the xmp 1 profile at 4800mhz Max so am I to understand if I change these timings will this give me the full 6000? Is there anything special I need to do otherwise ?
@@housebaelishgaming did you figure it out? Your mobo might not be able to handle the 6000 speed, but it most likely should (if it’s a decent z690). What I would do is f5 default your settings, and manually set your ram to 4800mhz, also set your DRAM voltage to what’s listed for the kit you bought (most likely 1.35v or 1.4v). Assuming your kit is the trident z5 6000mhz CL30 kit, enter all the ram timings as he has it. Then boot and if it does boot, restart your PC, raise the ram MHZ by 200 (no need to change the voltage again at this point unless it’s unstable), and if it boots raise by another 200mhz. Keep repeating this in steps of 200mhz, until you reach the 6000mhz. Sometimes if you set the mhz too high at first it won’t boot due to memory training and the motherboard not being built well for DDR5, but you can achieve the speed by letting the memory get trained and only taking it up in steps of 200mhz. Hope this helps.
@@jacob4816 I did figure it out I needed newest bios
If you happen to have that translation to MSI's BIOS names handy could you share it?
9:38 probably will not work with Samsung
Mine cant do tRRDS-4 tfaw-16 without errors
Same with tWRRD_DG and tRAS
I am shocked nobody mentioned your voice in the comments - it's hard for me not to, not that there is anything wrong with it, but it does sound quite familiar, couldn't help close my eyes and imagine it from the perspective of that character, 'nuff said, I'll let people figure out what I am talking about :P
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Well my 6400 kit doesn't boot with this unfortunately edit - missed one of the sub timings, edit 2 - huge performance increase, thanks so much!
The link for the memtweekit doesn't work. It just loads a splash warning screen but has no options
Running a 13900k with asus z790 extreme and 6000 Corsair vengeance and when I turn in xmp it throws a bunch of memory codes
Try bumping the vccsa up a bit
Hi if anyone can help me I have a Asus Z690 Formula, 12900k and 2 x 16gb DDR5 Corsair 6200mz Dominator Platinum Memory and I can’t seem to get XMP to work at all I’m currently on bios version 1505, every time try and run XMP all I get is message saying posted in safe mode of bios, no idea what to do to get the 6200mz that bought memory for please any help would be massively appreciated
Hey forum, is there a Samsung B-Die DDR5 timings OC video or any AM5 RAM tuning on this channel? I just bought a 5200Mt CL40 KIT and pushed it to 6400Mt on AM5 no problem with 1.27V, so I am looking to improve the perfomance further with tightening the timings, but I have no idea what these chips are capable of with Ryzen memory controlers. I'll just probably do it one by one, but with the horrible boot times on AM5 motherboards, I'd love to see some tested results so I can go from somewhere. Thank you!
Telling me I can just double-click the Memory label to run JUST that test in AIDA64 is worth the thumbs-up just by itself... i miss the star rating system.
Or you can right click on the start benchmark and select memory only
Can we have a updated Asus am5 DDR5 guide like this… Asus screw over BIOS update. Can’t find any of these settings on ver 2.22.1284😢
Well, I left the timings that were lower as is and lowered the ones that needed to be changed. The only one I couldn't set lower was the tPPD=2, soon as I change it to 0 it would auto go back to 2. 3DMark CPU went from 22536 to 22816, AIDA64 Read went from 102.66 to 104.75 GB/s , Write 102319 MB/s to 100.72 GB/s , Copy 100576 MB/s to 100.16 GB/s and Latency stayed at 59ns it has gone down to 56 or 54 before can't remember which. Any ways I got a boost so I will take whatever I can get so thank you for the video.
I have now tried 3 different versions of Mem TweakIt but it wont start giving me, the "Error during driver initialization" Is there any alternative software for on the fly timing adjustment? I have Windows 10 and Asus B660 motherboard
I can only get down to 63ns (59 on a lucky run) with these exact settings with my hyperx fury 6000c40 (set to 6200c36 as in the video). I'm only on a 12700k with b660 board but you'd think identical memory settings would be close.
Hey BZ, I’m still struggling with DDR5 a year later…I know this is an older vid but I’m trying to run these Corsair Vengeance 4x32gb at 6400mhz, which is what the DIMMs are rated for. Any DOCP I, II, or Tweaked profile won’t boot. I feel like it needs to be manually tuned even to hit 4800 or 5200. If I bypass DOCP and set to manual on an ASUS X670E Hero can I use this voltages and sub timings?
Shit tried this on trident g skill 6000 kit and couldn’t get it to run at all. Even if I tried increasing voltage to 1.45. Tried to loosen timings and still nothing.
So does no one have 64 gig ram? Looked throughout every single one of your videos and didnt see a single 2 sticks of 32 gig ddr5 ram video
Same, I can't find anything with 64gb ram
hey, i get the principle about getting the main timings down reduces latency but i still dont really know what any of them mean let alone the subtimings, how do you make heads of tails over all of them? is there more fundamentals you need to learn before even attempting this? i dont think i will ever play with subtimings but where do you start on learning any of this information. i cant find any "memory timings for idiots" so to speak
cant get these to post at 8000 when changing the timings and voltage from xmp tweaked, using 2x24gb gskill kit, its fully stable at 8000 xmp tweaked. the only main difference and potential issue i saw is that i cannot set the timing DRAM REF Cycle time , its grayed out, while i can set DRAM REF Cycle Time 2, which is what i did... but like i said it wont even post.
i have this is my ram: Gskill DDR5 Trident Z5 RGB PC44800 32GB (2x16GB) Dual Channel - F5-5600J4040C16GX2-TZ5RS
the speed is 5600mhz. i am very new to RAM overclocking. is there a guide for this RAM kit? this is also a samsung b-die, is it good for overclocking?
Is it possible to do for MSI boards ? especially unify X. You are doing gods work
Should IVR transmitter voltage always be the same as your two dram voltages? In other words I'm applying these subtiming improvements to a existing memory overclock that's running at 1.5v, so should IVR transmitter also be 1.5v?
Any articles, videos, documentation, literature, etc that describes the background of what all these timings do?
Awesome content, as always!!
Does it work with hynix ddr5 bigger than 16gb? Like 48gb stick x 2 dual channel for 96gb setup?
Any suggestions on where to start with A-die Dual-rank (2x32gb) timings?
G.Skill 6400mhz/CL32, with a 14700k and ASUS Tuf gaming z790 PLUS
I have XMP on and its pretty good on the bandwidth, though the aida latency is still like 64-66ns
Looking everywhere on youtube to help me with my setup, but still no luck. I have a Z790-E ASUS motherboard with an Intel i9 14900K CPU and 2x16GB Corsair Vengeance 6000 C36 kit.
When I try to enable XMPI/II/Tweaked I got stuck in a bootloop at 6000MHz, 5800MHz, 5600MHz even on 4000MHz, forcing me to revert this setting to non XMP leaving me with 4000MHz, while paying for 6000. I tried adding voltage (by per PMIC) up to 1.425V, still no luck. What am I doing wrong?
FYI. Turn on Memory Context to retrain your memory if you are overclocking any memory timings. My PC 7950x / Asus B650E and 64gb DDR6000 CL30-38-38-96 along with Buildroid's custom timings would instantly BSOD on boot or wake from sleep/hibernation. After renabling Memory context to retrain before boot, BSOD stops and system loads normally.
Would these timings work for my kit that uses sk A die? Is M die better than A? currently have my teamgroup 6000mhz kit running at 7400mhz but have not manually adjusted timing other than from CL38 to CL34 and voltage at 1.45v
Great videos. Can you do an Asus ddr5 manual oc vid?
thanks for the video! working real nice on my kit, though I'm using 1.435v, g skill 6400 cl32 kit
you use the exact same timing he has in the video on the 6400 kit?
@@RagedFPS hey, not exactly, I had to turn up the tRAs a bit to have full stability and also had to change CPUs because the first 13900k sucked
@@CarlosDiaz-is8cu ok thanks for the info. Got me a little scared to mess with it. Im a complete novice to it and don’t want to mess something up.
@@RagedFPS ah ok good luck! just be careful with the voltage, and you will be fine, go max like 1.45 if you have 2 sticks of ram or 1.435 like me if you have 4, they get hot but nothing will happen, crashes most likely
I must be doing something wrong as with these timings on a G.Skill DDR5-6000 CL32 2x16GB Kit, Intel 13700K and Asus Z690, the motherboard won't even post. Any ideas?
Clear CMOS
I tried these exact settings last night on a Z690 Apex (BIOS 1304) and 6400CL32 kit. I saw a nice boost in AIDA like in the video, but my OS became corrupted and my SSD went into write protect. I must be part of the 0.01% that this doesn't work for... oh well.
using the same kit but a 6200 found error on memtest too on asus extreme mobo
May be a niche case but if you have any advice on manual timings on EVGA kingpin z690, I'd greatly appreciate it!
the timings in this video should work on any motherboard as long as you have Hynix DIMMs and aren't pushing north of 7000Mbps. IDK if they work above 7000mbps because I can't do speeds that high on any of my boards.
Maxxmem2, dude.
Best quick test! It helped me.
So you kind of need your Asus board to even boot with either of the xmp profiles? Still waiting for the bios update for my prime z-690 that allows either xmp profile to boot my fury beast ddr5. Go Asus!!!
Whats the impact of cpu input voltage? Can I leave it auto?
raising can help stabilizing RAM overclocks as it's the voltage that's used to generate VCCSA and CPU VDDQ
Man Ddr5 is a pain, tried these on Z690 apex with 13900kf and no luck 🙄. So little information available on ddr5 oc that I'm guessing should probably just tweak cl a bit and call it a day.
I just tried these values on 2x16gb of corsair ddr5 6600 (hynix) ram on a hero z790 board (13900k), but it's slightly unstable giving one error on test 5 of absolute anta memtest. Which timings can I tweak to give full stability, maybe tweaking tRFC and tREFI?
Some reason I’m not able to do this anymore. I’ve done this before but now it won’t boot with Ram time changes plz help.
Why is my “REF Cycle Time” grey, I can’t write in it. Just “…Cycle Time 2”.
Bullzoid your subs are working really nice on my kit!
My hynix mdie kit is currently running on 6000 30-36-36-28. I did try to get 6400c32 stable, but i think that my mobo has issues with higher ram speeds than 6000mhz.
Do you know if stable 6000+ mhz is feasable on asus b660 boards.
my specs:
i5 12400@4800allcore, asus b660 strix-f, 2x16gb Kingston fury 6000c40 ram
same board on me. its stable on me but with 6200 mhz 34-38-38-30 1.25v sa voltage. other settings like the bullzoid video
It’s less about the board and more about the Memory controller on your processor
Thanks for the video Buildzoid, the link you provided to ROG's Mem TweakIt is the first version I've managed to successfully launch on my Z690 Hero board! I'll definitely be trying your setting out today as I have the Dominator Platinum RGB 6200's which I believe are also SK Hynix M-Die.
A question... is it possible to get 1T timings working with DDR5? I've had zero success with either DDR5 4800 or 6200 kits.
1T depends on the motherboard.
@@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking seems to be only the Dark and the Unify ITX
@@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking thanks for the video. I got these settings working on first try on a z790 gigabyte gaming x with 13700k running only pcores with a Kingston renegade 6400 c32 Hynix mdie. However latency down not go below 60ns. However the only timing o could not find on the gigabyte board is the tpt timing
Asus Z790F, TEAMGROUP T-Force Delta RGB DDR5 Ram 32GB (2x16GB) 7200MHz PC5-57600 CL34 A-DIE, Intel 13700K. Single RAM stick in A2 or B2 runs XMPII at 7200 fine, memetests no errors. Both RAM sticks single are fine. When I use 2 sticks in A2 and B2 (dual channel) the whole thing is unstable no matter what. BSODs, corrupt apps crashing, total nightmare, even stock settings at 5600.
I'm currently experimenting with this videos setting with my new Mobo/CPU config I just purchased. I7-12700k, Asus Z790-PLUS WIFI and a pair of Single Rank Teamgroup T-create 48GB (2x24gb) 7200MTs M-DIE CL34-42-42-84 1.4v I'm not able to POST with XMP1 but am able to with XMP2. But I can't get into windows without crashing unless I clock it down to 7000... but it's still not stable in games or tests like OCCT or Memtest86. It has to clock it all the way down to 6200 to get to truly be stable. 😢
I ended up reverting to stock XMP2 because his settings wouldn't POST on my board. Memtest gave errors until I lowered the speed to 7000. Good enough for me, so that's what I'm going with. @@Sprinkles-BtE
@@WickedCrispy I actually got Buildzoid's settings to work dude! Well, almost all of his settings. But it made a huge difference! Follow the advice that IIHydraII gave on ejosephsimon's comment thread in here. Basically, you can do everything Buildzoid did but you probably just have to loosen a few key timings to get it to work. I basically had to set the Secondary Timings of DRAM RAS# to RAS# Delay "L" to 8, and the "S" to 6, along with DRAM REF Cycle Time 2 to 500 and DRAM Refresh Time Same Bank to 400. Not only am I able to POST and boot windows, I've done four '1 hour' passes of OCCT AVX memory test (the AVX version seems to be more sensitive in my experience) and four '3 hour' long Memtest86 test, all passed with no errors!
I later revisited those same settings just to see how much tighter they can be. I was able to get DRAM RAS# to RAS# Delay "L" to 7 and the "S" to 5 (any lower and no POST) and I was able to further reduce DRAM REF Cycle Time 2 to 475 (450 and no POST) and DRAM Refresh Time Same Bank to 325 - I tried 300 and it actually POST but my system was weirdly unstable - it would lock up randomly while trying to enter the BIOS or shortly after getting back in! This was a pretty scary position to be in because it's just at the cusp of failure. The BIOS is believing the setting is fine and not booting to "safe mode", but it would hardly give you long enough to go back and change it to a looser setting before locking up again! But thankfully, with some quick hands, I was able to make it back to that setting, loosen it up to 325, save and reboot! And now... Well now, it's golden! But to be honest, even getting these timings *that* close to the razor's edge didn't change that much in the benchmarks over the settings I initially told you (ever so slightly worse read, but slightly faster write and copy - about the same latency - kind of a wash unless write is more important 🤷♂). So it may not worth all the trouble to fine tune it *that* close.
Despite my RAM sticks being of the same maker and same speed, obviously there's enough difference that my exact setting might not work (2x24gb and M-die after all) but you should at least give it another try... just try loosening up those 4 settings over what Buildzoid outlined before giving up. You're leaving a lot of performance on the table. Overall, it reduced my latency in AIDA from 76 to 57 and helped the throughput of ADIA read, write and copy by ~10+ gigs per second at only 6200mt/s (the max my 12gen cpu/mobo combo seems to be able to handle, in seems)! Makes me feel a little better about my not-so-great buying decision. Many thanks to you, Buildzoid, if you bother to read these things. 🙂You really changed how I look at RAM and the marketing of them. I wish I had discovered his channel sooner. Especially before buying my recent PC upgrades.
So is it okay to (try) to these subtimings on other D5 kits on ASUS so long they’re sk hynix? Say I use adata 6000 kits
Yep, seems the main difference between Hynix-based sticks is how high they will clock
Can i apply that for a 7200 kit?
I can't change the dram ref cycle value on mine. So it's grayed out. How can I open the value DDR5. My ram G-SKILL 6400 32 39 39 102 but running nice with your Timings
And now i have the 13900k.... heavy cpu. I have the same Radiator with ekw cooler and gpu. How cpu water is your Favorit
Same here its grayed out for ref cycle, did you find a solution?
I know this vid is old, but what changes would you need to make to stabilize A-die? I have g.skill F5-6000J3040F16GA2-RS5W 2x16 ram and the number next to the barcode ends in "21A" so I assume it's hynix A-die. Like the dumbass I am, I tried these timings on my MSI z790 board (left voltage at 1.35) and it wouldn't post so I had to do a CMOS reset. I assume it's because I set my tRFC2 and tRFCPB too low, but I'm afraid there are other settings set too low for A-die to handle.
How possible it’s to get an appointment, Im stuck with ddr5 6400 tried your times and it won’t boot at all.
Gonna try these settings on my Asus Z690i ITX board with my 12700k. I bought CMK32GX5M2B6400C32o which is an SK Hynix kit though im not sure if its A die or M die. I had no idea about the IVR transmitter voltage needed to be 1.4v, i've left it at default so maybe that explains my stability issues at anything higher than 6600mhz.
Edit: Do these settings work for SK Hynix A Die too? @actually hardcore overclocking?
these dont work at all for me for some reason
Great Guide for DDR5 improvement 👌but my ASUS ROG Strix B660 G-Gaming dont work with the MemTweakIt link. In BIOS is Realtime Memory Timing enabled. Can you help me?
Hello i wanted to say that i have an i7 12700 k + mb same as u+g.skill 6400 trident. I did the exact value from your video and i get only 100 point more on 3dmark. Then i set the first timing at 30 37 37 and i got an improvement of 1000 Point on 3dmark. As for the latence in ns i got first time by defaut xmp 62.10 then with your setup 59 then with the changing of first timing 56. I dont know if i can improve it ??? Tx your for all your work it s very usefull.
Hey Buildzoid, i now that its a little bit offtopic but do i need active cooling for b-die when i have my cpu cooled with Be Quiet Dark Rock 4 pro and my case has decent airflow? I have Fractal Design meshify c with modded front panel ( i removed foam filter from it) and i have 2x 140 at front and 1x 120 at back noctua nf fans. I don't see how i could put any fan under my ram without going into LC or getting smaller cpu cooler. I was going to use ~1.5V on Patriot Viper 4400cl19
Hi...do you maybe have this type of settings for Hynix A die ?
First off, thx for an awesome channel and all the good info.
Just ordered a Asus board and Corsair CMK32GX5M2B6000C30 memory. After googling my ass off Ive come to the conclusion that I bought Hynix from the 30-36-36-76. Have I understood this correctly? :)
Just for fun, I tried out the settings with the new Dominator 6600 CL32 on an Asus Hero. Doesn't work unfortunately... don't even post with the timings. :)
Why when i load my xmp1 or 2 profil i got error bios ?
This works for M-Die on a 14700K at 6400CL32, 8 hours of Karhu passed, Thank you!
7:45 Wrong explaination, you should talk not about memory speed or memory type
VCCSA afftecting on MemCLK max freq, not the DDR
DDR4- 3100/DDR5-6200 = 1550mhz memclk, which is not high. That is correct explanation why SA can be 1v
from intel 12th gen documentation part2:
"Gear2 Mode (GEAR2):
Indicate that MC is working in Gear-2 (Qclk is half the data transfer clock of the
DRAM)"
the RAM clock is 3100MHz. The IMC clock(QCLK) is at 1550MHz which is why you don't need much if any extra VCCSA since upto 1800MHz QCLK can work with 0.9V VCCSA depending on the CPU.
Back to school 🤣🤣
I know it's a 2 year old video but I got Micron d-die with my 6200 c36 kit 😭, maybe we need a new buying guide since there are now kits with micron chips with 62, 64 and even 6600.
Trfc1 is gray/blocked on my msi z690 motherboard how can I change it to 333?
Welp, didnt work for me. Failure to boot every time.
Same kit all that.
Hello, I have an Asus b660a gaming edge 6000mhz(O.C) wifi ddr5 motherboard and when I open gskill 2x16 32 gb cl36 ram 6000 mhz xmp 3.0, I get a blue screen error. I have no problems in games, especially at 5800 mhz. I can run it at 5800 mhz when xmp is not turned on. ?
Do these tweaks work with ANY Corsair Hynix DDR5 RAM. For example mine is Corsair Dominator Platinum 6600 MT/s CL32 2x32GB with Hynix A-Die. Will these tweaks work, that is can I follow your suggestions on subtimings 1:1?
I have 32Gb TridentZ 6400CL32 and I'm getting 55MB/s reads which seems horrendous? Do you have to run this benchmark after a fresh boot and close all other tasks etc?
Why i cant load my xmp1 and xmp2 error bios
I got a X670E Pro Art board, and alot of these settings you are changing, is not listed or doesnt have the same name. Is that due to the Pro Art board being ''stripped down'' on some of these memory settings?
intel and AMD CPUs work differently
@@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking do you plan on making an AM5 guide?
I bought XMP modules as most vendors here claim they are EXPO when they are not.
i updated my bios to v2703 (latest), i set my XMP 1 on, then started crashing in all games. few days later i set my XMP to disabled, set everything default, rebooted to windows, it ran fine. went back into bios to re-enable XMP to 6000mhz like before at XMP 1 and it now works. weird. z690 tuf gaming plus wifi, hyperx 2x8gb 6000mhz xmp ram. also, is it normal for the PC to restart several times with an orange light, then run fine after a few restarts & load into windows properly on when i enable XMP to 1?
Addicted to your videos, could you do one for Gigabyte motherboards?
Hi Buildzoid, awesome video and very informative DDR5 performance tweaks on ASUS ROG motherboards.
I recently purchased several 32GB kits of G.Skill TridentZ DDR5 6000 CL32 and 6400 CL36 which vary between Hynix A-Die and M-Die that I will be using to build a couple iRacing simulators. I will be using the A-Die kits for my higher end i9-13900K builds and M-Die for i5-13600K builds. I have been applying a lot your timing recommendations with outstanding results, however, I noticed ASUS made a change to the DRAM REF Cycle time = AUTO setting when I upgraded the BIOS to version 2305 on the Z690-E Gaming board. The DRAM REF Cycle time = AUTO is now "Greyed Out" and cannot be overridden.
Do you think there will be any performance impact or stability issues based on your recommended settings now that the DRAM REF Cycle time is set to AUTO instead of 333?
i have 2x32gb crosair hynix that is 6200mt cl32 32 38 38 80 running on 1.4v, when enable xmp the pc train memory & work fine, but when start gaming i get crashing & sometimes pc restarts, then i run stability test for memory on OCCT i get many errors, how can i make it stable on my system whithout me redusing the ram speed? i have 12900k on gigabyte aorus ultra z690 motherboard
I dont even get system started on this settings
I like your funny words, magic man
To confirm, will these kits work on the Apex z690? I don't see them listed on the QVL, so just want to be sure before I hit buy. (totally new to overclocking)
There should be some SK Hynix based kits QVLed for the Apex.
@Buildzoid, im running a kit of kingston fury beast ddr5 6000mhz cas40 that absolutelyn wont run these settings. Infact nothing i try with them seems to run, i think this hynix kit is pushed at its limit allready unless my board (asus z690 Gaming E) is preventing me somehow. I really wonder as i hear hynix should easely be able to do more than these.
Got the same kit as you. Mine does 6000 30-36-36-28 with bullzoids subs @1.4v vdimm just fine. I think you might wan´t to check your memory controller voltage. I set mine to 1.246 volts.
My mobo is a b660strix-f.
Same here. It will not boot. I'm thinking maybe memory training is occurring. The fans are ablaze at 100%. I changed the SA back to Auto and got the same. How long should memory training take? How did you achieve those timings?