How to ride a motorcycle with a pillion passenger - Hints and tips for two up riding
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- How to ride a motorcycle with a pillion passenger - Hints and tips for two up riding: Riding a motorbike with a passenger can be great fun, but can also be daunting for the first time for both rider and pillion. In this video me and Mrs Flyer give our hints and tips for riding a motorbike 2 up....
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Made sure you are covered on your insurance to carry a pillion 👍😱
Very good point Dave - I should have mentioned that - I'll pin this comment....
A lot of bikes have a pillion seat .You really shouldn't have to tell your insurance company you carry a pillion. My car has five seats but I don't have to tell them I carry passengers.
@@colinpettit3448 My insurance company is one that asks if I intend to carry a pillion. With pillion passenger insurance the passenger can claim against the riders insurance rather than claiming as a third party
Colin Pettit you sure about that? Some companies do not provide disability liability cover over 3 passengers. Check the exclusions on your policy.
@@colinpettit3448 my premium went down when I ticked I won't carry a pillion so yes you do have to tell your insurance
Don't know if someone's mentioned it but it helps to use your back brake a lot more than normal. There is more weight on the rear so the rear tyre offers more grip for stopping and is less likely to lift, it helps the front, which will be having to deal with more forces going through it, and even at slower speeds applying the rear brake stops fork dive and can make stop/start riding a smoother experience.
I was going to suggest this too. Great advice.👍
Good tip
Hadn’t heard that. Thank you sir!
I just found this out today,good pointer👍
My wife’s usual communication method is a punch in the kidneys 😂
Mine used to do that at 130+.......so I soon stopped taking her!!
That's why we should see the sequel: how to throw of the pillion half way through the trip.
You do need an Intercom !
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My wife is a bit disabled, and can’t get on with the top box fitted, but she needs the top box to lean on, so we have a procedure where she gets on using the riders pegs and seat, then shuffles back,then I get on last. Works for us! We both love biking, and have done for half a century.
True the top box adds difficulty for the pillion, only ever the missus in my case, getting on and off but I always fit it to ensure she does not slip off the back in the event (very unlikely perhaps) of a rear end shunt.
Glad to see we are not the only one's that use this method... just can't get the leg over like we used to!! ;-)
Exactly the same for us as well. Only system that works for her....
This is a method the wife and I have used, both for getting on and off
When I've tried to get on a bike with a top box in a show room, I've had issues getting on and off as just the "rider". I haven't yet mastered the "karate kick" method on getting on the bike.
My Carol hated being pillion. She took her test, got a Street Triple 👍
Result!
And boy can she ride well, watch them on their adventures!
@@robgutteridge1649 I'm sure she would be chuffed with that comment 👍👍Thanks Rob, taking her test was one of her better decisions. Yes folks we do have a tiny TH-cam channel
That wry smile by Mrs F says it all.... when you mentioned having intercoms. Priceless.
My wife and I did many thousands of miles or kilometres on our trusted CB500, just using hand signals, just as Mr. Flyer advocates. And I was fighting my pillion’s request for an intercom heroically for many years. Now, with a new Crossrunner under our butts, we decided to spend half of the money we required to buy the bike, for upgrading our entire gear, and the fight against those little gadgets that you attach to the helmets was finally lost. 😱
But I have to say, it was the best upgrade to our gear. Talking to each other on a lengthy journey, commenting on the countryside, joking around around or whatever, turned our travels more enjoyable and more into a shared experience.
So bottom line: get an intercom!!!
I’m a newer rider and I ride with my kid on the back most days. Take him to school, small trips to see his little friends, going on some small proper excursions come spring. We’ve had Cardos since day 1 and I can’t see us without them. They lead to some of the best conversations we’ve ever had. Seeing the world through the eyes of a child is great, even more so when he’s being his most lovely self (“Oh look, that’s a nice red car, I’ll give them a wave! They waved back! Fun! Ooo look at that bike dad! Is that a Honda? A Guzzi? Cool!”). Apart from the ride it just becomes quality time for the two of us.
Apart from that it’s nice to know he can tell me when his hands are cold, when he needs to take a toilet break, if he gets thirsty. And because I got the nice cardos it means he can listen to his stories and music while I can listen to mine on long rides. It helps him not fall asleep, works in the car anyways. Now, riding with the boy would be great intercom or no intercom. But with intercoms it’s really become much much more than I thought it would be.
@@903lew Lovely post; I couldn't agree more. 😍
Having rode with pillion passengers for over 50 years I find my PillionPal belt with it’s handles gives them a choice to vary their hand hold positions on a journey. The great thing on more modern bikes is using the Rain mode to soften the bikes responsiveness, which provides a smoother ride experience for them as well.
Have to disagree about the intercom, for me, it's great to have a chat while riding along.
I agree - intercoms are great, enjoy using them on rides with mates on their bikes and/or with pillions.. I resisted for a while because my ex-gf could talk for England but actually when riding she knew when to keep quiet... LOL
Thank you Carol for being such a good sport! This was a great video - I plan to share it with my special passenger!
"Mister and Missus Missenden Flyer" - My my, what a mighty mouthful!
Tell me about it!
That’s what she said
@@5tevieb954 it's disappointing that thumbs down don't appear on comments any more
Sorry, I didn't have time to scroll through the 200+ comments below to see if this has already been mentioned...So, the best advice I have for pillions, is to look ahead at the approaching bends and then look over the corresponding shoulder of the rider as the bend is entered...this encourages the pillion to move in sync with the rider and it's better for everyone! 😎
Yep been mentioned......
Great video, wish I'd seen something like this before I first took a pillion. I found it easiest to stand straddling the bike holding the handlebars while the pillion gets on. Also if you live on a quiet road start with the bike on the road next to a raised kerb, the extra height from them being on the kerb makes it easier for them to get on.
My wife and I have recently started riding 2-up and it's so much fun! It's weird to begin with, especially coming to a stop. But there are so many things you deal with on a bike, like strong cross winds, that it's just another thing that you quickly adapt to.
Great advice in the video 👍👍
Totally agree!
Great tips. One thing that helped us is to agree on the length of the ride and when you are planning to take a break... the first time I took the Missus on the GS she could hardly get off again as we rode way too long :-) Also... for new passengers a nice way to explain leaning into a curve is that they look over your right shoulder when you right turn, left shoulder for left turn... keep up the amazing vids, love to watch them !
Yes great tips Dieter, thanks for that (and for the kind words!).......
Have never ridden with a pillion but with 10 years motorcycling experience i feel now could be the time. This video provides excellent practical advice thank you Mr & Mrs Flyer!
Glad to help! Give it a whirl, you may just love it (like we do!)
Great advice and you wife sounds lovely (I think you’re batting a bit high in the order). 😂 Back to pillions.... You’ve covered basically everything, which is great! The main point I always instruct new pillion is simple as you don’t want them to try and remember everything. So, all I say is “when I’m turning left all you need to do is just look over my left shoulder and if I’m turning right then just look over my right shoulder”. Simple and effective! Love your work as always! I look forward to each and every video! 👍😎
Thank you Marcus - very kind of you (except the bit about me batting above my weight)....
TheMissendenFlyer you love it! 😜
I love it when people say that to me about my wife. It’s actually a big complete. You’re a handsome man yourself, not that I bat that way, and their is nothing wrong if people do. 😊
mahbin when I’m stationary on a bike with a pillion I feel is the best time for them to move a bit (as long as you are aware). Last thing you need of them moving about when you are tucked in and committed to a corner. I’d also add that as long as you are riding at about 50% of your own capabilities then even if they do move around a bit you can adjust your line.
Great video, I am planning a long tour 2-up for the 1st time and this was very helpful. Thanks.
A great video and tips as usual. The GSA with top box and panniers can be quite a challenge to the new pillion getting on and off but once on they do offer additional protection and assurance.
A recent dismount ended with my other half landing on her derriere right outside the pub, thank goodness for full face helmets! Now, I put down the side stand and get off while hers truly slides down onto the riders seat and swings her leg over without the top box obstacle!
Thanks Mr & Mrs TMF
Really enjoyed that video. Your wife did a great job. Initially I took it very easily with my wife as I was breaking her in as a passengers. Once her confidence was up and she was comfortable on the back I asked her to start leaning a bit more when we were in the corners. It really helps when your on a big bike like the K1600GT. We use Cardo Packtalks to communicate. I often prep her for sharp corners or scenic views etc. She is forbidden to discuss her “Honey-do” list.
Excellent advice as always. My experience with big bikes suggests that a pillion generally makes very little difference to handling except at lower speeds and when parking up and dismounting. Also on modern bikes, it pays to set up the Electronic Suspension properly for two, or two plus luggage, before setting off.
Love when Ms. is on the channel, she is a delight. Totally informative and fun to watch - but I admit I was looking forward to the blooper reel at the end! LOL.
This was a good video - I still remember how nervous I was taking pillions for the first time, some excellent constructive advice given :)
Always learning something watching your videos thank you both!
Our pleasure!
What a timely video! My Mrs and I have thousands of miles together with her on back, but the new-to-me GS causes her no end of problems mounting and dismounting. Seeing Carol's perfectly executed mounting maneuver at 2:00 is exactly what we needed. Thanks! (Agree about developing hand signals. E.g., double tap on her left knee means I'm about to pass (overtake) a slower vehicle and she's ready. )
Yup...takes a while for passenger to get used to the height when standing on the rear pegs...especially with luggage
Good to the Chief of Staff finally getting a grip of the channel. Loved the out-takes.
Very useful, thank you. I've purchased a Tricity 300 and can now carry a pillion (have include this in the insurance). Your video has made clear the points to consider, thank you to Mrs and Mr TMF.
Our pleasure….
I tend you use more back brake than usual when I’m coming to a stop, it stops the front diving so much so I get less head butts 😀
For my wife and me, an intercom is a must; it's great to share the ride together and we have some of our most enjoyable conversations while on the bike. And, we never seem to say anything to piss the other off while riding,,, too much at stake. Well-done vid, you covered some great points. The one point I'd make if using intercom is to have an understanding up front, the passenger must control any tendency to make gasping or screaming noises :D
I love sharing a ride with my wife. It looks like the two of you have a wonderful time riding together also.
Love the comment about the amount of luggage. I did a three week tour of France in the 80s and my other half brought down piles of luggage. I gave her a 35 litre pannier and said , “that’s your lot”. I think she understood the message after we’d loaded the bike up. It weighed a metaphorical ton. And we did have to pick it on the Mulsanne straight.
Great stuff guys, thanks. Will show this vid to my wife, who at the moment is very wary of bikes. In fact she thinks we're all mad.
Excellent, thank you. About to do this for the first time in 10 years of not riding on a Honda ST1300. Very helpful
Enjoy your trip!
Thank you so much for such an interesting video! Beautiful Mrs Flyer
Pretty concise advice and all good especially the thing about not leaning. I tell my passenger they should become a part of the bike; don't help it and don't fight it.
l love my intercoms either with wife or mates, for me it makes the ride better.
Great video. I agree with everything except “don’t expect to carry a lot of luggage”. The wife-to-be and I ride together on tours in Asia. We took a full compliment of camping gear.
Hi Andy, just an update after passing my module one I’ve booked my mod 2
I’ve passed this morning. 2 miners
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Just really wanted to say a big thank you for all the hard work you put in your videos. And without definitely sounding too cheeky I absolutely love your videos I would definitely love a shout out.
David
Keep up the good work and once again Ride safe
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W'hey brilliant news David!! Bet you're chuffed....take it easy, ride safe and welcome to biking!
Great and informative video. I remember you telling us where you got that bit of advice about putting the stand down before the passenger hops on.
Excellent tips!Thank you Mr. and Mrs.Flyer.👍👍👏👏👏👏👏
Our pleasure!
Excellent review! Appreciate both perspectives… one thing to mention (that I noticed you also have) is that you have your top box on *with a cushion” Always want to ensure that our passenger is comfortable… and final thought for those with deep pockets: get a 2021 Honda Goldwing with an armchair in the back…
Really nice video. I really enjoyed hearing both the rider and pillion perspectives.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Great video! Some really useful tips here.
One thing I would suggest is checking if your tires require any change in pressure when you take a pillion passenger.
Some bikes will recommend the tires are inflated to a higher PSI - You'll find this in your owner's manual 😁
Great point! Should have mentioned that.....
Brilliant help that TMF, thank you both. 👍
Mrs Flyer is this Star of the show. ⭐️. Always learn many thingys by watching the channel. Andy, you’re the best. 👍🏼
Crikey - thank you....
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Great vid, an often overlooked subject.
My tip would be, have a chat with your pillion before you set off, things like dont fight the lean on corners, go with the flow of the bike and for the rider go easy on the breaks and throttle or expect lots of headbutts and a pillion refusing a second outing.
Very handy video Sir! Lots to take in
V good. Funny and informative. What we all require as we navigate thru this Pandemic. Great bike for two up I imagine. We had an Africa Twin 750 and did many trips from Dublin to Glasgow, London, Rome, Athens. The drawback was exactly what you pointed out - fork dive and underpowered. Looking forward to picking up a GS. Thanks Mr & Mrs Fly!
Thanks for watching Anthony!
very comprehensive - you read my notes lol. Our code, in addition, is as we are riding I rub her leg. If she is ok she queezes me with her thighs. Same for her telling me she is ready to go, squeezes me with her thighs, like "giddy up". If I had only one tip - leave your stand down for mount and dismount and make your pillion mount and dismount on that stand side.
Great advice. Thank you Sir.
Carrying a pillion is awesome if they understand what to do, thanks for this great vid Mr & Mrs TMF. Now in my family, if there is even half a chance to ride with me on my BMer (whether it's my wife, son, daughter and future daughter-in-law), they jump at the chance to do so :), now that is the proof of the freedom you feel when you ride!!
Thank you for posting. Great video. We get on and off the bike a bit differently than you and your wife. In our case, while the bike is on the side stand, she gets on the driver's seat and then scoots back to the pillion position. I then get on the driver's seat straighten the bike and off we go. When dismounting, we do the process in reverse. A matter of preference, but I find it to be a bit more stable process. Again ymmv.
Great video and a subject not often covered. Mrs Flyer did very well 👍🏻
Thank you!
Well, rather good timing Andy! My better half just went on the back of my bike today. First time. She loved the video and thinks you are both great. There ya go. An instant success. Thanks guys :)
That's awesome Craig! How did the Mrs get on on the bike??
She loved it. I was amazed!! Thanks guys. Keep the videos coming.
Good vid thanks. I’ve taken pillions on four completely different bikes and I have to say I really don’t like doing it, I find it affects the handling so much and reduces the sense of freedom that we love about riding to the extent that I don’t enjoy the ride.
I have a huge bike with a top box fitted, the missus is 5ft 2" with little legs, getting on and off the bike for her is like watching a marine on an obstacle course! lol
Well done me and Mrs flyer,a great contribution to motorcycling 👍,ps love that bsa t shirt !
Glad you enjoyed it!
Sound advice all round. Smooth throttle control , and for the pillion, lean with the bike. 👍🏻
Very useful video mate. Great idea with making this.
Glad you liked it
Top tips guys, cheers 👍
All good advice.👌
Love the outtakes 👍
We love our Cardo Freecom 2 cause we chat away together half the time on the bike but we love chatting together in life.
We added panniers to the bike last year and that adds another element to getting on and off. My wife actually has to get on first now.
We enjoy your work keep it up well done from Aussie
Mark and Jo-Ann
Thank you both and stay safe down there....
Awesome, loved your very practical tips. Going to show my wife, who indecently loves riding
Please do!
It's really helpful for the pillion to grip with the knees!...helps stop the headbutts 🙂
I find it helps reduce the headbutts by braking with a bit of back brake at the same time as the front as it keeps the back down. Plus little or no clutch on acceleration through the gears helps smoother riding.
Very helpful advice ,you have a lovely chemistry on the screen. My wife and I really enjoyed your holiday motorcycle videos . You made us laugh it was like a sitcom lol
Thank you kindly! Another tour series with us both coming soon!
I just want to say this has been the best video we have found to give advice for carrying a passenger. It helped me convice the wife to come out on the bike which she has been very much against.
Glad it helped!
Great Vid. Very informative, cheers.
Thank you for watching!
Great advise. The only additional thing I asked my wife to do was to take a rider course herself, just so she had some idea of what its like to be the rider and in case she had to move the bike in an emergency. Result was she now has her own bike, which is even better than riding two up!
Good idea!
As always, excellent advice. Hardest part for me were the uphill starts.
How about you, did you find yourself getting saddle sore far more sooner with a passenger? what's the fix?
@@great2c4me I do. Riding alone, I can ‘move around’ on the saddle, not possible with 2up. Solution: more stops.
I LOVE IT, what fabulous video you did there with Mrs. Flyer, I can't get get enough of when you two make a video together.
It's a fantastic video, I new on a motorcycle and having a passenger with me is gonna be a new challenge for me. So that said, I really enjoyed your absolutely fantastic video about that.
Yours sincerely
The Danish Viking 🇩🇰 ☀️ ❤️ 😎
Thank you so much - more of Mrs Flyer coming soon!!
I totally agree, the MC experience is better when shared and often go out with one of my two daughters: sadly we don’t get the chance to ride out as hubby and wife, but we dream of it sometime soon🙏🏻 Think you covered off everything Andy, top job and my wife prefers no comms I’m the helmet too, who am I to argue?!?🤣
This is more encouragement than a tip, but riding two-up takes practice. Just like when we all start off riding, a pillion needs to practice to get comfortable. The first ride is always the hardest - it gets easier and more fun from there. Don't throw all the rules at them at once. Focus on the initial necessities, then help them build their skills over time. Patterns emerge and you two can fall into a fun and safe groove.
How about you, did you find yourself getting saddle sore far more sooner with a passenger? what's the fix?
This video is incredible!!
Solid and super clear advice.....the humour was cracking me up too!! hahaha
Glad you liked it Joe!
Great advice! As you alluded to, I'd definitely recommend short rides with a passenger, before taking that passenger on any long ones. Work your way up to it. This will help the rider and passenger both get more comfortable riding together. Also - in addition to accelerating being slower, I find I do gear changes much later than when I'm alone on account of the extra weight, particularly on smaller motorcycles.
Yeah, my first pillion was my my 9 year old daughter - very light and agile. She was the perfect pillion and loved it. When I had a 125 scooter. It taught me plenty of lessons - sort of a light weight version.14 years later I now have VFR1200 and went to Isle of man, pillion, full camping gear and luggage for two for 4 days. bit different but lessons paid off
When riding pillion I found it best to hold on to the bike with one hand and put the other on my knee. This allowed me to brace my body from moving from side to side and also to stop the forward and back movement caused by acceleration and braking.
Top tips there Mr & Mrs Flyer. It’s really good to see a couple being able to enjoy a their partner’s if not a common interest.
Cheers Trevor!
Good advice. Thanks. 👍
Your wife's facial expressions are priceless, makes me smile. I note that Carol has the same Helmet as Noraly...... good advert for Arai 😉. Oh yes, nearly forgot.......great video 👍
You are right! Those X4's are brill - just a shame Arai won't talk to me!!
Well done Mrs Flyer and such a good video 👍
The one and only time that my Wife rode pillion was 43 years ago, a comedy of errors !
We could have used your advice back then 🤔
All great tips, great bloopers too & Mrs TMF... patience of a saint. My Mrs’ swears by the bowl of water style analogy. Her favourite phrase is, I’m not psychic!
So true!
Very informative thanks 👍
Glad it was helpful!
Great Video TMS.. hit on all the right stuff. Nothing worse than passenger who wiggles, shifts around while you're moving. I tell them set it and forget it until I tap your leg to let you know its ok..
Some good advice there! Something you could have mentioned, I haven't tried them myself, but I believe you can buy pillion grippers for pillions like Mrs Flyer to hang on to if they don't want to hold onto the rider.
Thanks, very informative.
My pleasure!
Lovely couple, thanks for the tips and tricks!
Our pleasure!
Very good tips. I know you said you are not a fan of intercom, but I think they make the rides much more enjoyable if you have a good system. Probably more so touring over distances .
I did take Mrs Karlosh on my CB125R when I'd first past my test, it really couldn't cope with the weight. Also I think our combined weight was at the limit that the CB125R suspension could handle . So checking the load weight spec of the bike, especially smaller ones is worthwhile .
My top tip for someone who you take as a pillion regularly get them to read the road like they are riding especially looking for hazards and overtakes less of a surprise when you drop a gear and go for the overtake. I used to have to tap my wife’s leg to warn her now I know she’s watching and she’s not fallen off the back yet no matter how hard I try 😂
Indeed - as I think I said!
Great vid. Have ridden hudrids of moles on the back o my friends bike, the best and most useful bit of advice you gave eas. Follow the bike. I should say at this point. I am gegisterrd blind and only have a small bit ofsight. We had a goood hand signle comunicasion system, it never failed us, anvdave always told folk, he neaver had an issue with breakin turning or accelerating with me on the back. It was an amaizing, and exciting expireance.
Great video, thank you!
Glad you liked it!
This is a great video. I recently purchased a new BMW S1000XR after trading in for my Yamaha Tracer 900GT and my wife is now coming out with me. I do a lot of what you say as a rider and she’s not too bad as a pillion but it’s great to see what Mrs Flyer has to say. Some brilliant points from both rider and Pillion. Cheers
Great stuff - glad you found it of interest!
Haha good vid , cheers Mr and Mrs flyer
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The belts with handles on that the rider wears are great for pillions in my opinion..Handles on the Hips..Top Tip..Stay Safe..✌🏻
The outtakes are awesome Mr Flyer... I've tried to explain the "no intercom" scenario as well and i couldn't stop laughing while doing it!!
Tricky ground!!
Great points , i do like the comment Mrs. TMF said prefer to use the grab hand rails , as a rider i have been pillion a hand full of times in the past ( that also as a rider gives you a good idea of what your pillion experiences ) anyway holding the grab hand rails made me "feel" the bike more was more secure than holding onto the rider and didn't put the rider at unease with clinging on , not saying it is for all or suits all bikes , but a good point
Pinned post is important "pillion insurance"
Great Video Andy
Best regards Shaun
Great video as always really useful thanks. I'd only just add about tyre pressures double check they are correct with the extra weight and remember to adjust when you are back to solo riding.
Great tip!
One tip I would like to add...
When the rider leans into bends, the pillion should ensure that their helmet (head) follows the riders' helmet.
I've sometimes suggested that my pillion should look over my shoulder that is on the 'inside' of the bend!!
So, left bend = left shoulder. Right bend = right shoulder.
This way they actually help with balancing the bike through a bend, rather than fighting to keep the bike upright - I'm sure we've all been there :((
#TravellingWizzard
i was going to say exactly that.
Great advice on all counts. 👍
The outtakes were good viewing too 🤣🤣
Cheers Shane!