Those rides are sneakily quiet until you smash em then give just enough room fill. Doesn't hurt that you play so well. The tuning you have on the drums really compliments the sound. Thanks for the sharing that
Great sound. I'm a Paiste guy too, but never shy from good deals on cymbals of any brand. This is how I ended up with my vintage 60's era Zildjian 24" heavy flat tide. Awesome, but can certainly see and hear the difference in the mediums and lights. I'm sold.
71-72 could not find a pleasing ride from a well known co.A self proclaimed "jazz freak" suggested this 20% more expensive unknown to me at the time 602, 20" flat ride. Love at first sound, bought it on the spot
Nice. I use a Paiste Thin 602 18" and a 2002 Flat 18 with 4 rivets....Tried 20/22, but like the smaller footprint much better. Find very little difference tonality with the downsize. Like yourself, I am a complete 'flat rider'. Have not owned a ride with a bell in years. If bell is needed, I use crash cymbal bells (Giant Beat 18/Sig Mellow crashes). Have been thinking of adding a Masters Dark ride (20"), unless Paiste could make an 18" at same cost. Nice Playing!
Really fine playing and great sounding Paistes! I remember thirty years ago here in Vancouver (Canada) there was a large music store chain that had two 20" Paiste Sound Creation 20" flat rides. The cymbals had their prices lowered and lowered but no one was interested in them. One day I went in and the rides were being blown out at $99 each! Of course I picked one up (and should have bought the other one, too!) and absolutely loved using it. Apparently the original guy who ordered the two cymbals put a down payment on ordering the pair of flat rides because he wanted that Paul Wertico sound... but when both cymbals finally arrived from their special order status (six+ months of waiting!) the guy could no longer afford them. When I stopped playing drum kit in the early 2000's I sold it to a guy who was specifically looking for a Paiste flat top ride and he loved it!
Spectacularly beautifully played demo, thank you. Am especially taken with the gorgeous sounds you're producing with your 18" 602! Having just purchased a new 18" 602 thin, I'd love it if you'd be able to tell me what sticks you are using, please.
Amazing playing, really enjoyed that. Got my first 602 (60's 24" medium) a couple of months back and it's absolutely the one. Deeply musical wall of sound and feels really alive. And these things are so versatile, you get a wide range of textures out of them. That 602 along with 14" kerope hats are the staple cymbals I know I'll never think of selling and look forward to passing to my future kids
Nice sounding cymbals, superb stick definition, excellent drumming, in my original fo602 set there is a 20 flat ride plus one 2002 BL 18 flat ride, would like to try also the traditional sign. in say 22 size for good measure😊
Great and informative video, enjoyed your playing too, very tasty. I've been looking more into flat rides after listening to a lot of Paul Wertico w/PMG.
John..do you fell there is much of a different voice between the 18 and 20"? I have an 18" thin and often thought of getting a 20" medium (ALL PAISTE, of course). However, held back because I thought I would not hear much difference between them in tone etc. Hard to tell in the video..
Great playing, I don't have a flat ride but I'm starting to think a Paiste flat ride might be the way to go. My favorite flat ride moment is in Phish "Harry Hood" on the album A Live One Jon Fishman uses a Zildjian flat ride with rivets, the part I'm talking about starts around 5:40 if you want to check it out
Probably Much like you, I heard - now he sings / now he sobs, and I wanted that sound. So I went to get a 602 18” flat, and I was at the Chicago music exchange and played a 2002 20” flat, which I would NEVER logically buy. The little extra brightness livened that cymbal up but stays articulate like flats should. It’s a jazz miracle. The crazy 2002 flat ride that just works so well for combo scenarios!
Great playing and great video. As everyone here, I'm a huge fan of flat rides. Currently own a 20" Paiste 602 flat ride and just picked up a cool Istanbul Agop 20" Vezir flat ride. Much darker and heavier than the Paiste. But they compliment each other nicely.
Great playing! I love how well that thin flatride crashes. The two flatrides you have complement each other so well. I've always been a big fan of flatrides from Pat Metheny's albums. Paul Wertico's 22" Sound Creation Dark Flatride is my holy grail, which was his main flatride on the Pat Metheny Group albums from Still Life (Talking) through We Live Here. It has a bit more weight and a lot of shimmer.
niceee... great sounding kit man and very nice playing. good timing. btw.... what do you think about a Paiste 602 medium flat ride? (approx 1750g)... I cant get the thin nowhere but i can get a medium from the 70s in good condition. What do you think?
I still havent gpt a band and I will first practice more.. so my biggest question is... which Flat Ride do you find is most pleasant for the ears and is there really difference in loudness between a Medium Flat Ride 18" and Thin Flat Ride 18" or is the difference not so big? So all in all, firstly I look for a pleasant flat cymbal for my ears for home practice (without any earplugs or headphones). What do you think? @@JH_Drums
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Those rides are sneakily quiet until you smash em then give just enough room fill. Doesn't hurt that you play so well. The tuning you have on the drums really compliments the sound. Thanks for the sharing that
22inch sound creation dark flat ride is the crown Jewel of my collection.
Fantastic playing!
Great sound. I'm a Paiste guy too, but never shy from good deals on cymbals of any brand. This is how I ended up with my vintage 60's era Zildjian 24" heavy flat tide. Awesome, but can certainly see and hear the difference in the mediums and lights. I'm sold.
Woah I wanna hear that cymbal!
The articulation on them is remarkable. Enjoyed your playing, sir.
Totally agree! Thanks for watching
I found by luck a Paiste Flat Ride 18" with rivets a couple of years ago, it sounds so good!
Love 18 and 20 flat rides like these! And nice Blue(?) mic on the kick.
71-72 could not find a pleasing ride from a well known co.A self proclaimed "jazz freak" suggested this 20% more expensive unknown to me at the time 602, 20" flat ride. Love at first sound, bought it on the spot
Nice. I use a Paiste Thin 602 18" and a 2002 Flat 18 with 4 rivets....Tried 20/22, but like the smaller footprint much better. Find very little difference tonality with the downsize. Like yourself, I am a complete 'flat rider'. Have not owned a ride with a bell in years. If bell is needed, I use crash cymbal bells (Giant Beat 18/Sig Mellow crashes). Have been thinking of adding a Masters Dark ride (20"), unless Paiste could make an 18" at same cost.
Nice Playing!
The ride sounds good but I stuck around for the smooth jazz playing.
Thanks for watching!
I gotta have more ride bell😂
Beautiful cymbals and playing 👏
Thanks for watching!
Really fine playing and great sounding Paistes!
I remember thirty years ago here in Vancouver (Canada) there was a large music store chain that had two 20" Paiste Sound Creation 20" flat rides. The cymbals had their prices lowered and lowered but no one was interested in them. One day I went in and the rides were being blown out at $99 each! Of course I picked one up (and should have bought the other one, too!) and absolutely loved using it. Apparently the original guy who ordered the two cymbals put a down payment on ordering the pair of flat rides because he wanted that Paul Wertico sound... but when both cymbals finally arrived from their special order status (six+ months of waiting!) the guy could no longer afford them. When I stopped playing drum kit in the early 2000's I sold it to a guy who was specifically looking for a Paiste flat top ride and he loved it!
Wish I could find a deal like that! Thanks for watching
Spectacularly beautifully played demo, thank you. Am especially taken with the gorgeous sounds you're producing with your 18" 602!
Having just purchased a new 18" 602 thin, I'd love it if you'd be able to tell me what sticks you are using, please.
I use a variety of sticks from different brands but for this video I used the Pro-Mark Elvin Jones model! Thanks for watching
@@JH_Drums Thanks so much for helping me.
Still on the quest for a flat ride that has a satisfying crash sound. But I think that may be a fools errand
You seen that new Reverie video about Dave King's flat ride? Great crash!
Amazing playing, really enjoyed that. Got my first 602 (60's 24" medium) a couple of months back and it's absolutely the one. Deeply musical wall of sound and feels really alive. And these things are so versatile, you get a wide range of textures out of them. That 602 along with 14" kerope hats are the staple cymbals I know I'll never think of selling and look forward to passing to my future kids
Gottlieb on Matheny’s “Off Ramp” is mighty fine!
You make Magic with your hands, musical Brother.
60 years of gigs here. Still
“at it”!!
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Nice sounding cymbals, superb stick definition, excellent drumming, in my original fo602 set there is a 20 flat ride plus one 2002 BL 18 flat ride, would like to try also the traditional sign. in say 22 size for good measure😊
I'd probably prefer it with a couple of rivets. It's nice without rivets too.
Ever think about adding rivets to those flat rides?
Great playing! I have 2 paiste flatrides too
So Amazing is the sticky, buttery Vibe
Great and informative video, enjoyed your playing too, very tasty. I've been looking more into flat rides after listening to a lot of Paul Wertico w/PMG.
I could listen to you all day. Great touch, great sounding drums. I have a 20" pre serial to go with my 20" pre serial medium ride. Love them both.
Thanks Dan! I’d love to hear those pre serials!
I want it
Awesome rides … great content! I subbed too!
Thank you! 🙏
Wood or nylon tips ??? Should always specify . Would love to hear these with nylon vs wood demo .
Pretty sure I was using the Promark Elvin Jones model (wood tip) in this video.
Listen to the white album called pat methaney group Danny gotleib on drums all flatt rides paiste 602 , amazing album and all flatt rides 😅
That's an amazing album! Thanks for watching
John..do you fell there is much of a different voice between the 18 and 20"? I have an 18" thin and often thought of getting a 20" medium (ALL PAISTE, of course). However, held back because I thought I would not hear much difference between them in tone etc. Hard to tell in the video..
Best thing to do is try some out for yourself! Personally, I hear a big difference between the 18 and 20, but every cymbal is unique.
Great playing, I don't have a flat ride but I'm starting to think a Paiste flat ride might be the way to go.
My favorite flat ride moment is in Phish "Harry Hood" on the album A Live One Jon Fishman uses a Zildjian flat ride with rivets, the part I'm talking about starts around 5:40 if you want to check it out
These are the cymbals I was looking for, I kept remembering "blue 2002 flat rides" in my head.
Probably Much like you, I heard - now he sings / now he sobs, and I wanted that sound. So I went to get a 602 18” flat, and I was at the Chicago music exchange and played a 2002 20” flat, which I would NEVER logically buy. The little extra brightness livened that cymbal up but stays articulate like flats should.
It’s a jazz miracle. The crazy 2002 flat ride that just works so well for combo scenarios!
Great playing and great video. As everyone here, I'm a huge fan of flat rides. Currently own a 20" Paiste 602 flat ride and just picked up a cool Istanbul Agop 20" Vezir flat ride. Much darker and heavier than the Paiste. But they compliment each other nicely.
Beautiful sounding cymbals and drums, beautifully played!
Album was 1976 , check out phase dance and San lorenzo
Thanks for the insight 🙏 nice playing and feel sir 🥁🙌
Great clip. Flat rides are indeed awesome. You're an excellent player. Cheers!
Finest sound i've heard till now
Great playing! I love how well that thin flatride crashes. The two flatrides you have complement each other so well. I've always been a big fan of flatrides from Pat Metheny's albums. Paul Wertico's 22" Sound Creation Dark Flatride is my holy grail, which was his main flatride on the Pat Metheny Group albums from Still Life (Talking) through We Live Here. It has a bit more weight and a lot of shimmer.
22" Sound Creation Dark Flatride are rare as hen's teeth.
Cool video
niceee... great sounding kit man and very nice playing. good timing. btw.... what do you think about a Paiste 602 medium flat ride? (approx 1750g)... I cant get the thin nowhere but i can get a medium from the 70s in good condition. What do you think?
Go for it! I love both of mine but tend to favor the medium a bit more since it's perfect for quartet/quintet music. Thin is great for trio!
I still havent gpt a band and I will first practice more.. so my biggest question is... which Flat Ride do you find is most pleasant for the ears and is there really difference in loudness between a Medium Flat Ride 18" and Thin Flat Ride 18" or is the difference not so big? So all in all, firstly I look for a pleasant flat cymbal for my ears for home practice (without any earplugs or headphones). What do you think?
@@JH_Drums
JON!!!
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