I own a 22 Sound Creation Dark Ride (Mk 3) from 1983, 3295 grams, without the printed words 'New Dimension'. It only has the big round logo and 'Dark Ride' stamp. I've been playing it in a big band setting in Austria for more than 20 yrs. I simply love it. 🙂
The Mark I Dark Ride uses the same or very similar hammering pattern as the 2002 Heavy Ride which came out at the same time. The change to Mark II happened very fast. Based on the serial numbers I've seen the Mark I was released towards the end of 1975 along with a few other additions to the Paiste llineup.
Curious as to why you skipped over the Paiste Seven Sound Set 7 (a/k/a “Deep Ride”), a Formula 602 precursor to the Dark Ride. That is one superb dark-sounding Paiste cymbal.
Excellent research, detailed, meticulous, and extremely well-presented. Thank you. By the way, I would highly value research into the 20" Paiste China-type cymbal that Paul Motian played throughout the 70s and was well-recorded on his albums Conception Vessel and Tribute. It's an incredible cymbal that sounds very different from the several 20" Paiste China-type cymbals I've bought through the years trying to replicate this sound. I would be curious if there is an explanation for this. I suspect his may have been a prototype.
Thank you sir! According to all three "Paiste profile" books, Paul was using a formula 602 20" china, these are unique in that they have a flat edge like a Zildjian pang: www.cymbal.wiki/wiki/Paiste_Paul_Motian#Paul_Motian
I agree with your pricing and speculation. Drummers fawning over certain cymbals because of lore is ridiculous. Ex: Ludwig Standard cymbals. 300.00 for a 22" ride is absolutely a waste of money. Of course, if your first drum set at 10 years old had one and you have to go back to that time of your life to be happy, then go for it. Those cymbals sounded bad and were good for learning and for using at a practice space. 505s have gotten ridiculously expensive. Why not just get the better 2oo2s? I saw Carl Allen playing Sound Creations with Freddy Hubbard in 1984. I really dug them, but never really felt Paiste got it totally right until 1997 when the Traditional series came out. They crushed it and made the big Ks sound mothing like a K. Ed Clift brought in a 20 and 22 light jazz ride to out store. I demo'ed them in a clinic. I immediately bought the 22. It's stamped as a 97 production, but it was 98 when this happened.
Great info! Thanks! Yes, I agree, Standards and Ludwig "3 stars" are ridiculously overpriced, almost as much as Giant beats are! A lot of people think the Standards are related to 602's because the stamps look similar but they are not....
For me, I started hearing it in the Signature line. In particular the Dry, and Rough rides. The Fast and Mallow crashes also offered a tonality I had not yet experienced with Paiste.
I fell in love with the Sound Creation dark ride after seeing Al Foster play his. Big Deezy--I'd be curious to hear your take on why Paiste hasn't reissued this model given it's popularity and the prices they command. Not only that, I can't recall any of current cymbal maker (of which there are many) that is attempting to recreate the Sound Creation either. Am I wrong about that?
Lorne, thanks for the message, Paiste have evolved past the "SC" series decades ago. Fredy Studer mentions the how the SC series was surpassed by the "Masters" series: www.cymbal.wiki/wiki/File:Fredy_2016_drumhead_mag.jpg
concerning in the first 1:00 no inclusion of K . Zildjian availability (granted mostly in big city shops) distributed by Gretsch up to 1978 also another video would be worthwhile covering the entirety of the Sound Creation collection ---so people understand when they come across a Bright Medium or a Mellow
I own a 22 Sound Creation Dark Ride (Mk 3) from 1983, 3295 grams, without the printed words 'New Dimension'. It only has the big round logo and 'Dark Ride' stamp. I've been playing it in a big band setting in Austria for more than 20 yrs. I simply love it. 🙂
The Mark I Dark Ride uses the same or very similar hammering pattern as the 2002 Heavy Ride which came out at the same time. The change to Mark II happened very fast. Based on the serial numbers I've seen the Mark I was released towards the end of 1975 along with a few other additions to the Paiste llineup.
I have some pictures of a MKI from "pacodrummer", he's the only guy I know who owns one! His pictures are included in this video.
I had a Rude that was really sweet.
Reminded me of the ‘84 Priest kit
Great video.
Curious as to why you skipped over the Paiste Seven Sound Set 7 (a/k/a “Deep Ride”), a Formula 602 precursor to the Dark Ride. That is one superb dark-sounding Paiste cymbal.
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Excellent research, detailed, meticulous, and extremely well-presented. Thank you. By the way, I would highly value research into the 20" Paiste China-type cymbal that Paul Motian played throughout the 70s and was well-recorded on his albums Conception Vessel and Tribute. It's an incredible cymbal that sounds very different from the several 20" Paiste China-type cymbals I've bought through the years trying to replicate this sound. I would be curious if there is an explanation for this. I suspect his may have been a prototype.
Thank you sir! According to all three "Paiste profile" books, Paul was using a formula 602 20" china, these are unique in that they have a flat edge like a Zildjian pang: www.cymbal.wiki/wiki/Paiste_Paul_Motian#Paul_Motian
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Great video!!!
I agree with your pricing and speculation. Drummers fawning over certain cymbals because of lore is ridiculous. Ex: Ludwig Standard cymbals. 300.00 for a 22" ride is absolutely a waste of money. Of course, if your first drum set at 10 years old had one and you have to go back to that time of your life to be happy, then go for it. Those cymbals sounded bad and were good for learning and for using at a practice space. 505s have gotten ridiculously expensive. Why not just get the better 2oo2s?
I saw Carl Allen playing Sound Creations with Freddy Hubbard in 1984. I really dug them, but never really felt Paiste got it totally right until 1997 when the Traditional series came out. They crushed it and made the big Ks sound mothing like a K. Ed Clift brought in a 20 and 22 light jazz ride to out store. I demo'ed them in a clinic. I immediately bought the 22. It's stamped as a 97 production, but it was 98 when this happened.
Great info! Thanks! Yes, I agree, Standards and Ludwig "3 stars" are ridiculously overpriced, almost as much as Giant beats are! A lot of people think the Standards are related to 602's because the stamps look similar but they are not....
For me, I started hearing it in the Signature line. In particular the Dry, and Rough rides. The Fast and Mallow crashes also offered a tonality I had not yet experienced with Paiste.
Great video and history lesson! Thanks … I subbed!
Thank you!
I fell in love with the Sound Creation dark ride after seeing Al Foster play his. Big Deezy--I'd be curious to hear your take on why Paiste hasn't reissued this model given it's popularity and the prices they command. Not only that, I can't recall any of current cymbal maker (of which there are many) that is attempting to recreate the Sound Creation either. Am I wrong about that?
Lorne, thanks for the message, Paiste have evolved past the "SC" series decades ago. Fredy Studer mentions the how the SC series was surpassed by the "Masters" series: www.cymbal.wiki/wiki/File:Fredy_2016_drumhead_mag.jpg
concerning in the first 1:00 no inclusion of K . Zildjian availability (granted mostly in big city shops) distributed by Gretsch up to 1978 also another video would be worthwhile covering the entirety of the Sound Creation collection ---so people understand when they come across a Bright Medium or a Mellow
Mine has the dark creation stamp but it says 22 "bell ride". What's up with that?
You have a Sound creation bell ride, that was a different model.
That was Nicko McBrain's favorite cymbal for the longest time. It's on the classic albums he recorded with Iron Maiden.
Cool. First comment wins the cymbal