What's Important? Conversation at NAV
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- An evening conversation with Nora Bateson, Daniel Schmachtenberger and Nate Hagens.
September 15, 2023, at NAV, Sthlm Sweden.
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What Nate says about feeling a sense of hope because he is working with other people who care about these things… That is what I am missing in my life and that is what I desperately long for.
We as a species are well into the era of the need for "big mind, big heart, open body" and the demand for diving deep into our sense of Self and Others, our sense of Body and Biosphere, and how that all comes together in every second of our next breath is here now! Thank you Nora, Daniel, Nate and everyone for continuing to educate, challenge, and inspire!! 🧠❤🙏
I love the honesty and observance of the craziness of our modern culture in this conversation. And perhaps most importantly at least for me, the call back to rediscovering our own and collective abundance. Beautiful music too ❤Thank you all 🙏
Thank you for sharing. We need this talks like air.
I love the interplay of the different styles of Daniel and Nora - agreeing on the problems and adding nuances to eachother's thinking. So much here. particularly at 1hr and 6 minutes, Daniel says, "It seems like there's this overwhelming complexity: there's 50 million chemicals in the database of the American Chemical Society and to try to think about what all the endocrine-disrupting and neurotoxic and carcinogenic effects of all of them plus the combinatorial effects of them and Etc are…except you don't actually have to do that.
The Simplicity of ‘don't make systems that have to grow forever’ that's dumb
‘Don't make systems that extract resources faster than they can replenish themselves or that create pollution’ that's dumb, like the the actual Logics of thriving systems are pretty simple"
Between this talk and their last NAVA talk you can see the growth in their relationship. They're living the processes they're describing.
2:04:18 "If you want to know the thing that I feel hopeful about it's people with Jane Goodall's heart learning how to do Kissinger-ian stuff. Learning how to actually capture andchange the systems of power without being affected by them." I'm often thinking how to avoid the next Hitler, coming from Europe I notice examples of Orban and Erdogan with near-absolute power.
Best opening from any interviewer of DS
lovely harmonica
As the curriculum I took a journalism ethics course in college. We were taught law and dignity. We were given social dilemmas to report, but each dilemma had an equal consequence for the reporting.
Have you ever read Alexander McCall Smith?
The social dilemmas Mma Precious Ramotswe investigates deeply affect private people. She has to make decisions based on compassion and ethics.
These tools should be held with kid gloves.
Amazing. Thanks again for showing up for this for a second year.
I am wondering if the hive mind can help find references/resources as to the 100 million indigenous folks who perished during the last 530 years that Europeans entered the southern and northern Americas.
I keep seeing research indicate 50-60million, so would love to see other data points to share in my communities.
Thank you Daniel, Norah, and Nate. ❤
As detailed in American Philosophy: From Wounded Knee to the Present (2015),
It is also apparent that the shared history of the hemisphere is one which is framed by the dual tragedies of genocide and slavery, both of which are part of the legacy of the European invasions of the past 500 years. Indigenous people both north and south were displaced, died of disease, and were killed by Europeans through slavery, rape, and war. In 1491, about 145 million people lived in the western hemisphere. By 1691, the population of indigenous Americans had declined by 90-95 percent, or by around 130 million people.[40]
However, pre-Columbian population figures are difficult to estimate due to the fragmentary nature of the evidence. Estimates range from 8-112 million.[41] Russel Thornton has pointed out that there were disastrous epidemics and population losses during the first half of the sixteenth century “resulting from incidental contact, or even without direct contact, as disease spread from one American Indian tribe to another.” [42] Thornton has also challenged higher Indigenous population estimates, which are based on the Malthusian assumption that “populations tend to increase to, and beyond, the limits of the food available to them at any particular level of technology."[43]
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Thank you so very much for sharing. Tomorrow is National Truth and Reconciliation Day in Canada and this feels profoundly relevant.
I write this really noticing the impact of your statement around Kissinger strategy with the heart of a ‘charitable work’ of lives. I look forward to studying Kissinger, and other deep epistemically and ontological best practices around strategy. I work in NP and pursue systems change in Canadian healthcare. I appreciate how your voice feels like many things, one glimpse being a contemporary Ivan Illich.
Deep reverence for all of you
If Daniel can tap into his beast, and deliver these ways, into a warrior society, into BJJ and UFC young men, providing purpose and meaning, with this demographic, that will largely be seen as worthless , self involved crowd I expect. There is the tribal roots. There is the fire, that Gangis, and Alexander mobilized. You have the heart of the elder wisdom, crone, care, fem, in the bag. Gordon Ryan....if you can win him over to the vision of warrior societies, with purpose and belonging. We all win
Diminishing return curve is apparent at a yard sale.
Is there a podcast version of this? RSS?
2:21:34 woah