This man's ability to meaningfully synthesize and scrutinize vast and disparate knowledge is astounding and the hallmark of great wisdom. What I appreciate most is that he is always trying to get to the "heart" or core of everything. There's no intellectual bravado; just earnest interest in truths and solutions. Thank you for hosting Daniel and for platforming such important discussions!!
What % of Americans have ever seen, heard or read anything by Daniel S.? 5%? Probably less. There's a reason you'll never see him on CNN or any other MSM.
I'm 22 years old. I want to share that your words and perspectives deeply influence my ways of looking, giving myself permission to connect and then affirm what i know is important in my life and contribution. Simply, thank you.
it´s deeply beautiful to witness how wisdom can flow through Daniel. He seems to have relaxed enough to let it and is able to keep the posture to not break from such hugely challenging things to grapple with. sincerely a guide through these times - pointing to the door we must go through. thank you so much!
Daniel has set a new standard for the vocabulary or semantic ontology for all this stuff. It has less ambiguity and more descriptive efficiency than any other framework I'm aware of. Obviously he has gleaned this vocabulary/ontology from many sources but he's done so most brilliantly, producing a real treasure. His work deserves a whole army of assistants to edit and organize it into a formal semantic ontology and narrative, perhaps using a semantic wiki tool. If I were equipped to do so I'd be doing it.
Daniel gives voice to my half-formed thoughts and uncomfortable feelings watching the mindless human amoeba superorganism devour its surroundings. His semantic ontology is a gift to humanity.
Though DS is brilliant and wise and foresighted, his world-view is limited by conventional reality, which may not be the whole of reality. He might start with the reality of cold fusion and possibly other transformative energy technologies that may be available to some elite plutocrats and military units. What of the claims of David Grusch that there are ET visitors and humans who have reverse-engineered their technology? I would like to see Daniel in conversation confront the reality of ESP. There are people who are channeling visions from our future and our past. Though these methods don't have the reliability of ordinary sense data, they carry actionable probabalistic information. These things are not part of conventional reality, but they may be part of the reality that makes the difference between a future for humanity and extinction.
I’ve listened to many talks by Daniel and this, for me, is his most powerful and to the point. I’m deeply moved, and reminded that the little girl I was long ago, believing and feeling just these things, was not wrong. Thank you so much for sharing this. Very healing.
This also converges with Iain McGilchrists assesment that we tend to overemphasize left brain narrow problem solving abstract model thinking to the detriment of the whole. While knowing much less when we are young we still feel more of the whole until the gametheory/incentive structure/moloch that dominates the system makes us disconnect more and more.
@@teiuq yes - thank you. This describes my own life trajectory. It’s reassuring that we can return once more to a more balanced and whole perspective as adults if we are able to ‘step back’ and regularly reflect on the larger ‘meaning of life’ questions - preferably while barefoot and with our hands touching a tree, the soil, moss, water or similar. Everything shifts. Gratitude and grief become one.
Daniel’s intensity here is inspiring, even more so than usual. I don’t have the Stockholm syndrome with Moloch but I don’t feel capable of removing myself until I finish school, but in the meantime, I will spread the word and do what I can to move in a better direction.
“I don’t have the Stockholm syndrome with moloch” - could be corrected to “I believe myself to not have Stockholm syndrome with moloch, but will, continuously reflect looking for it within”
I've said it before that Daniel is the new age embodiment of Terence McKenna. I'll quote Terence on the thesis of looking to Nature for solutions: -- "Now, where do you look for models? Where do you go? The answer is so obvious. You go to nature. Nature has been playing this game for three billion years on this planet. We have been playing the game-we, the apostles of Christian scientism-for about 2,000 years. Nature has an economy, an elegance, a style that, if we could but emulate it, we could rise out of the rubble that we are making of the planet."
Perfection Daniel. Simple download of a holistic model that is achievable while understanding the technology needed to activate it is fundamentally broken. A beautiful guide for action … this can be done…yes really hard but achievable Step one activate the holistic system, step two dream a new dream beyond money Thank you for your leadership
WOW! Thank you, Daniel and GITA! I have watched it twice and took a few notes. Daniel, you answered questions that I had not articulated but felt in my body. I would love to dive deeper and learn the language, and ways to implement it in my domain. Do no harm, look for and at the invisible externalities, and follow the teacher creatures they are smarter than us. ;) . Aroooow, good one!
Daniel: you are absolutely on fire here. It’s like you found another gear I didn’t know existed. And there are maybe five people on the planet who can access such a gear. Amazing. Just amazing.
@~24 minutes in, Daniel again touches on the motive to obtain profit. Those who have gained super profits have gamed the system to be winners. At this stage of the decay of this civilization, profit and rent seeking have escalated. Anand G. documents how charities act as cover for the super rich. To shift out of the money system to slow the collapse of our civilization will require a massive phase shift that would need to be planetary in scope. That is the good, predominantly nonviolent, war that many are already fighting. For inspiration, see Roger Hallam's talk with people in the Netherlands. Good luck to us all. May the force be with you.
This man has the thought process to lead the planet into a more fulfilling holistic humane future. This man's wisdom is the hope for our earth. Everyone who hears him will add to this hope. ❤
I have to sit with this now for a time because it’s reverberating through my body. I feel like I’ve always known the subterfuge and the only way I’ve been able to articulate it is by saying to my children “if it’s not in nature it’s a construct, of (mostly) man, so ask yourself how it came about, who created it and why, who it serves and doesn’t, and then let yourself decide if you’ll adhere”
After listening to this, my optimism for a holistic future in humanity has almost been reduced to zilch. As much as I appreciate the deep analytical thinking here, it begs the question if most people can or even want to take the time to contemplate and really think through as to what consequences our actions have in the long term. How do we successfully contemplate solutions for a world where in the future we live balanced with nature respecting its sacredness if we are currently entrenched in a world where we don’t treat living things as sacred but merely as commodities/resources? It’s as if our problems are so complex now, there’s no way to come up with solutions without the solutions becoming a problem, or in other words, we now exist in a permanent state of reciprocal dilemmas…
I stopped the video several times and went back to take some notes and listen again, to try to take it all in. There are so many ideas here to explore and try to embody as we go through our day-to-day lives.
In all the talks I've listened to so far, this outlines a reaction to the meta-crisis and really breaks it down well. I do think there is still work to be done in outlining what kind of narrative and perspective shifts need to happen - and knowing that a holistic/full system solution is a really good starting place. Obviously this whole issue is complex. Thank you for encouraging everyone to do what they can where they can do it!
At 1:17:50, Daniel says we don't understand how to manage complexity, but nature does. That understanding is now emerging through emergence science. We can learn from nature, and he already knows some pieces of it, which is nested levels of coherence and agency, just like in our bodies, just like psychological parts cohering into integrated individual humans, cohering into families, cohering into villages, tribes and small companies, cohering into federations and municipalities, etc all the way up to the UN. We are starting to understand in detail how this coherence happens at each level (there are many commonalities across levels, including but not limited to Ostrom Principles). What Daniel doesn't see to get is that Moloch thrives when there is too much complexity and not enough monitoring because levels never arose, or were destroyed. And one of the reasons they were destroyed is because of global capitalism, which has made it that people in a family or village or tribe don't need each other any more, and are sharing more with the global economy than within those levels. The attention economy is even destroying integrated psychological individuals, fragmenting them into dopamine-seeking parts. The practicum you are all seeking begins with re-habilitating levels which have been, or are being destroyed: integrated individual, family, village/tribe, municipality, small company. And for that we need not only liberal intellectuals, but conservative doers, who understand what it means to maintain emergent levels: certain types of self-imposed constraints.
There is a customary practice that is deeply embedded into the architect of a pacific people's way of life. I think the deeper meaning of what it symbolizes is either lost to the generation today or not accessible to the wider learning community. So now it can be easily offensive or mistaken as a prideful vendata against an opposition to the custom. This causes alot of in home disharmony between members of the larger family system. There was a time when the sophistication of small societies relied on the balance of economy by giving back equal value of what was given to another group of people. It was understood that by giving back equal or more if possible, it was to ensure that the group that gave the gift would not fail in thier own system of governance. Meetings or gatherings of all these thinkers had allocated places to hold council to speculate, prepare, forecast the fundamentals of safe guarding what they knew would one day come to pass. However way these things became forgotten or lost to time, it may not be my place to argue indiffereces with the patriarch or matriarch within the unit. But at the very least, I can be abit more open to the angst those types of ceremonies can create in tandem with the indoctrination of the modern money concept. I am not an expert on the subject of wealth and governance distribution for those types of historic/ancient societies, but I know the importance of healing through understanding being human and our relationship with this earth. People use to walk it. They use to migrate back and forth without the bold lines on paper. They use to follow what the earth was telling them to do. Communication with nature was the very first teacher every living species born into this life on this planet had first encountered.
I would love if you are willing to share your fathers letter. As a child being told i was a lazy good for nothing , i shrugged but i have raised my children (on my own) have peers who respect my simple values. I am not afraid to just let it be. Do as much as i can when i can and not worry so much about what i can't. Love these conversations so much❤
I'd recommend focusing on the message and not get distracted by the technical aspects, for your own benefit. It is what it is, I'm happy it exists at all.
Take Aways - 1. Acceptable Exploitation And The Victor's Narrative Is Not A Marker Of Sustainability 2. Locus, Sensing and "Thinking" Are Not Reducible to Binary or Linguistic forms 3. The way power is held, informed by reductionism technologies and metrologies, and then exercised as "capital as commander" will be the primary driver and dynamic that causes cataclysmic existential risk in the three domains we manage 1. Physical 2. Biological 3. Social - IMHO, Remedy to a hyperconnected society that can not holistically integrate due to human scale networks for sensing, computation, and relationship tracking means that actors that inhabit the institutions at the current intersections of capital and technology will drive towards authoritarian and finally totalitarian regime using the "crisis" as their new call to achieve their definitions of progress.
Also, Daniel keeps vacillating between pro and anti "resource" as a valid term. Of course what some agent (at whatever level of organization) considers a resource, might be the life or livelihood of another agent (e.g. his whale or 5000 year old tree examples), or needed by several agents with not enough for everyone to go around, or with enough if there were no lower level utility functions and agency (but there are). I.e., competition exists in nature and in all other human affairs. What organismal levels do is decrease certain kinds of competition within their level and increase cooperation and coherence. We need to better understand the beneficial effects of certain kinds of intra-level competition, and offer design alternatives to Darwinian inter-level competition, and construct levels all the way to the UN, without skipping any levels. Capitalism emerges markets, but it is not organismal. It does not reduce competition and increase cooperation for agents that form its parts. It encourages Molochian dynamics by dissolving the boundaries of lower organismal levels that can mitigate Molochian dynamics within their level, sharing more (and allocating resources wisely) within that level than outside it (or above it), just like in our bodies.
. Yes, The truth is nature does not budget, or plan or mansge. What actually matters most about our genuinely erroneous measures and models though is their proper use is a sensors of life NOT replacements for life, as the growth world has been mistakenly doing, a little categorical mistake. . Nature relies instead on **nonverbal systems**, organized as wholes, not verbally, that respond to the signals of opportunity and change **in their contexts.** so... The successful plan for the future will be not to do what our tools tell us to do, but for us to become skilled in using our tools to help us feel and read the contexts of natural design we rely on and rely on each other.
anyone know the link to that Yellow Teaming due diligence framework Daniel mentioned he offers around 29:42? I'm assessing a climate tech project and want to think through nth order effects
Finally Dan gets to the fucking point. The same point TZM arrived at like 10 years ago. The same point Bucky hinted at. Great, we know what to change. Let's go!
@@nonyab3237 TZM is The Zeitgeist Movement (Lots of key insights in the movement) a good place to start is the Doc Zeitgeist Moving forward (On youtube). Hope it adds another dimension to your understanding of our current Socio-Economic climate & potential paths beyond it. 💡💡💡
@@nonyab3237 Also, the guy who made the original TZM documentaries (Peter Joseph) basically did all these lecture presentations basically like Daniel has been doing on the podcast circuit recently; pointing out all the problems with modernity (many of which Peter learned through Jacque Fresco's TVP who learned it from Bucky Fuller's "World Game", etc.), and basically ever since he wrote his first solo book ("The New Human Rights Movement") has arrived at the same conclusions that Daniel has here. I also recently listened to a bunch of old and new David Suzuki, and he's on all the same sentiments. So someone has been carrying this specific torch for us since the 1800's, seriously. I love Daniel and all these other people I mentioned, but eventually in identifying the problem, they identified the solution; the likely impossible to implement solution. It's was called "NL/RBE", in the TZM. Daniel describes it slightly differently, but it's not a new idea, even though I have no doubt he came to his own conclusion. Anyone who studies and contemplates this stuff seriously enough arrives at the same epiphanies. There's also a new movement called "Solarpunk" as well (which is the spiritual antithesis to the "Cyberpunk" aesthetic / morality). All of these movements are describing different aspects of the same concept imho. So many people have basically made up their own lingo to communicate concepts that our present society is oriented to suppress even describing, let alone imagining; completely forbidding building. This is the challenge now... clarifying what doesn't work (Capitalism, Accelerationism, etc.) and why. Then building models of something that has a better shot at working on a global or even multiplanetary scale, so we can prove a way forward, if it's even possible.
in "pre"colonial times native north americans had no names, they also didn't really have "property" either. This meant that someone from one tribe could move across the entire country because someone could expect hospitality from anyone whom he encountered, people lived into their names they were communially granted their names, based on important wise people, so when an important person died, their name remained unclaimed until the community decided that there was someone who could claim the name.. they had no property by the idea that if you "own" something it literally means that you protect it. this 150 idea is bullshit, everything else is good.. just a thought
Yes. Very. Good. Because. Everything. Is. A. Matter. Of. Consciousness So. The. DELEMA. IS. ON. AN. Individual. LEVEL. BALANCED. COUNCIOUSE. WHAT. THE. Best. Thing. TO. DO. SO. SIMPLE
@brookestabler3477 That's a bit simplistic. It works in the short term, but it isn't a long-term solution. Governments, that is the will of other people, can use force, via straight force or economic forces, like a higher land tax, to eventually make the owners or future owners unable or unwilling to carry the cost of owning that land. Someone eventually will be incentivized to turn the land into housing, or a mine, or whatever is most profitable for them, or the government, or the will of the community. The solution only works if the community and those with power in the government also understand and support it, and if those communal values are sustained over time.
@@brookestabler3477 Private ownership is a major part of the problem Daniel described. Not to mention, your wishes are only obeyed during your lifespan, as long as you have the monetary resources to exert your will within a society through coercion. If you wanted to accomplish what you're trying to describe, you'd have to basically create a Vatican that teaches the worship of trees, and then leverage enough violence, tithing and cronyism to keep it going indefinitely. Highly impractical, likely impossible... abhorrently immoral. Also, there isn't any lie about trees that would be threatening enough to compete with the original Vatican's shtick.
closing the materials economy would be catastrophic for small local economies. he's brilliant but some his solutions would have catastrophic consequences for small, mostly poor, communities.
How well do the WEF economic models look after those in poor communities? Someday those will just be described as communities and the egomaniacal collectors of earths resources will live among those communities or they will be outcasts with little to no useful way to contribute to the whole.
Hello !!! So, uh ... we entered a global mass extinction event. We did, and some people decided to do something about it and i'm one of them. Today the paradigm shift it well under way and we are in what i'm calling recovery mode right now. 2020 is a place in time and it also means perfect vision when you are in an eye doctors office. We spent too many decades giving too much stage time to the word "hate" and today we need to remember and look into the past and refocus everything about us such that the other four letter word "love" is at the core of our being and everything we do. I'm the guy who facilitated our paradigm shift, I truly am. I know more of it than anyone else and if you''d like to hear all about it reply to me here. Times are changing and censorship against everything that was not "the official story" is waning, and our freedom to discuss everything is re-emerging.
Also, there is much room in this new whirled for investments into what the game plan is today, and that is, for example, every province, state and municipality today has a game plan for distributed water sourced heating and cooling which is also known as geothermal heating and cooling though that's an inappropriate name where the application relies on flowing water through the ground so ground source or water source are both much more accurate names for these types of heating and cooling methods, but no matter the laws have changed, and they have changed in favor of non-fossil ... everything, actually.
And is Daniel making the naturalistic fallacy? Nature can be quite brutal. Appeals to the wisdom of nature were used in the past to justify social Darwinism. It's no better to use this argument to justify that we should be like bees or ants. Let's learn from nature, for sure, but not mindlessly copy it. It is not necessarily an emergent organismal entity that has our (humanity's) best interest in mind, Gaia hypothesis is not settled. Nature also has nested levels of organization, but only the highest level (e.g. our body) has evolvability (and arguably agency). Its nesting dynamics are totalitarian. We don't really have an example in nature of the third attractor, except possibly in our consciousness (and lower levels which have some evolvability and agency)
I think he’s saying - nature as guide not necessarily as god. Nature is a big complex system that has existed a long time and we would benefit by building with Nature- as a wholistic system available to us.
@@rustart sure, but is he also saying that nature has figured out third attractor dynamics? I don't know if it has. In all examples except consciousness, I only see first and second attractor dynamics. See my other two comments...
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Daniel has an impressive vocabulary and ability to dance around simple questions with hollow ideas that deliver no clear answers or questions. Disappointing. Done wasting my time listening to him.
This man's ability to meaningfully synthesize and scrutinize vast and disparate knowledge is astounding and the hallmark of great wisdom.
What I appreciate most is that he is always trying to get to the "heart" or core of everything. There's no intellectual bravado; just earnest interest in truths and solutions.
Thank you for hosting Daniel and for platforming such important discussions!!
The thing that first came to mind as I listened to the first 15 minutes is "epic Schmachtdown"
What % of Americans have ever seen, heard or read anything by Daniel S.? 5%? Probably less. There's a reason you'll never see him on CNN or any other MSM.
Schmachtdown > Hitchslap. I was waiting for a "Daniel Unleashed" video, and this might be the start of it. I'm totally going to steal your word.
Exactly
The part about the priceless tree is my favorite. th-cam.com/video/nvAbKE8-jYA/w-d-xo.html
Me too!@@pluribus
I'm 22 years old. I want to share that your words and perspectives deeply influence my ways of looking, giving myself permission to connect and then affirm what i know is important in my life and contribution. Simply, thank you.
Hey me 23 and same
24, same
Man I wish I was your age listening to this. 49 and I feel only now I am starting to pull myself together and becoming wise.
16 here
26✌️
it´s deeply beautiful to witness how wisdom can flow through Daniel. He seems to have relaxed enough to let it and is able to keep the posture to not break from such hugely challenging things to grapple with. sincerely a guide through these times - pointing to the door we must go through.
thank you so much!
Daniel has set a new standard for the vocabulary or semantic ontology for all this stuff. It has less ambiguity and more descriptive efficiency than any other framework I'm aware of. Obviously he has gleaned this vocabulary/ontology from many sources but he's done so most brilliantly, producing a real treasure. His work deserves a whole army of assistants to edit and organize it into a formal semantic ontology and narrative, perhaps using a semantic wiki tool. If I were equipped to do so I'd be doing it.
Semantic ontology. 😂
He has a job opening for his group listed on Linked in…in case youre inclined. 😌
Amen.
Daniel gives voice to my half-formed thoughts and uncomfortable feelings watching the mindless human amoeba superorganism devour its surroundings. His semantic ontology is a gift to humanity.
Though DS is brilliant and wise and foresighted, his world-view is limited by conventional reality, which may not be the whole of reality. He might start with the reality of cold fusion and possibly other transformative energy technologies that may be available to some elite plutocrats and military units. What of the claims of David Grusch that there are ET visitors and humans who have reverse-engineered their technology? I would like to see Daniel in conversation confront the reality of ESP. There are people who are channeling visions from our future and our past. Though these methods don't have the reliability of ordinary sense data, they carry actionable probabalistic information.
These things are not part of conventional reality, but they may be part of the reality that makes the difference between a future for humanity and extinction.
I’ve listened to many talks by Daniel and this, for me, is his most powerful and to the point. I’m deeply moved, and reminded that the little girl I was long ago, believing and feeling just these things, was not wrong.
Thank you so much for sharing this.
Very healing.
This also converges with Iain McGilchrists assesment that we tend to overemphasize left brain narrow problem solving abstract model thinking to the detriment of the whole.
While knowing much less when we are young we still feel more of the whole until the gametheory/incentive structure/moloch that dominates the system makes us disconnect more and more.
@@teiuq yes - thank you. This describes my own life trajectory. It’s reassuring that we can return once more to a more balanced and whole perspective as adults if we are able to ‘step back’ and regularly reflect on the larger ‘meaning of life’ questions - preferably while barefoot and with our hands touching a tree, the soil, moss, water or similar. Everything shifts. Gratitude and grief become one.
You might also like Charles Eisenstein.
Deeply grateful to have stumbled across this today.
Daniel’s intensity here is inspiring, even more so than usual. I don’t have the Stockholm syndrome with Moloch but I don’t feel capable of removing myself until I finish school, but in the meantime, I will spread the word and do what I can to move in a better direction.
“I don’t have the Stockholm syndrome with moloch” - could be corrected to
“I believe myself to not have Stockholm syndrome with moloch, but will, continuously reflect looking for it within”
it might have felt intense because he seemed angry at times… im not sure i find this inspiring… im weary of anger
I was about to write more or less the same thing. I think I will. 😊
This is one I'd really like a transcript for.
I've said it before that Daniel is the new age embodiment of Terence McKenna. I'll quote Terence on the thesis of looking to Nature for solutions:
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"Now, where do you look for models? Where do you go? The answer is so obvious. You go to nature. Nature has been playing this game for three billion years on this planet. We have been playing the game-we, the apostles of Christian scientism-for about 2,000 years. Nature has an economy, an elegance, a style that, if we could but emulate it, we could rise out of the rubble that we are making of the planet."
woa!! I thought the same TM and DS are sensei s of nature and wisdome
This feels like a gift. Thank you.
Perfection Daniel. Simple download of a holistic model that is achievable while understanding the technology needed to activate it is fundamentally broken. A beautiful guide for action … this can be done…yes really hard but achievable
Step one activate the holistic system, step two dream a new dream beyond money Thank you for your leadership
The last five minutes are gorgeous. Thank you so much.
WOW! Thank you, Daniel and GITA! I have watched it twice and took a few notes. Daniel, you answered questions that I had not articulated but felt in my body. I would love to dive deeper and learn the language, and ways to implement it in my domain. Do no harm, look for and at the invisible externalities, and follow the teacher creatures they are smarter than us. ;) . Aroooow, good one!
Great conversation.
Sadly, I don't see how wise and sane policies will ever be implemented until current system is falling apart.
Daniel: you are absolutely on fire here. It’s like you found another gear I didn’t know existed. And there are maybe five people on the planet who can access such a gear. Amazing. Just amazing.
And 5 is generous
@~24 minutes in, Daniel again touches on the motive to obtain profit. Those who have gained super profits have gamed the system to be winners. At this stage of the decay of this civilization, profit and rent seeking have escalated. Anand G. documents how charities act as cover for the super rich. To shift out of the money system to slow the collapse of our civilization will require a massive phase shift that would need to be planetary in scope. That is the good, predominantly nonviolent, war that many are already fighting. For inspiration, see Roger Hallam's talk with people in the Netherlands. Good luck to us all. May the force be with you.
This man has the thought process to lead the planet into a more fulfilling holistic humane future. This man's wisdom is the hope for our earth. Everyone who hears him will add to this hope. ❤
I have to sit with this now for a time because it’s reverberating through my body. I feel like I’ve always known the subterfuge and the only way I’ve been able to articulate it is by saying to my children “if it’s not in nature it’s a construct, of (mostly) man, so ask yourself how it came about, who created it and why, who it serves and doesn’t, and then let yourself decide if you’ll adhere”
After listening to this, my optimism for a holistic future in humanity has almost been reduced to zilch. As much as I appreciate the deep analytical thinking here, it begs the question if most people can or even want to take the time to contemplate and really think through as to what consequences our actions have in the long term. How do we successfully contemplate solutions for a world where in the future we live balanced with nature respecting its sacredness if we are currently entrenched in a world where we don’t treat living things as sacred but merely as commodities/resources? It’s as if our problems are so complex now, there’s no way to come up with solutions without the solutions becoming a problem, or in other words, we now exist in a permanent state of reciprocal dilemmas…
Give a manager a target, and he'll drive the company (system) into the ground to meet it.
I stopped the video several times and went back to take some notes and listen again, to try to take it all in. There are so many ideas here to explore and try to embody as we go through our day-to-day lives.
In all the talks I've listened to so far, this outlines a reaction to the meta-crisis and really breaks it down well. I do think there is still work to be done in outlining what kind of narrative and perspective shifts need to happen - and knowing that a holistic/full system solution is a really good starting place.
Obviously this whole issue is complex. Thank you for encouraging everyone to do what they can where they can do it!
At 1:17:50, Daniel says we don't understand how to manage complexity, but nature does. That understanding is now emerging through emergence science. We can learn from nature, and he already knows some pieces of it, which is nested levels of coherence and agency, just like in our bodies, just like psychological parts cohering into integrated individual humans, cohering into families, cohering into villages, tribes and small companies, cohering into federations and municipalities, etc all the way up to the UN. We are starting to understand in detail how this coherence happens at each level (there are many commonalities across levels, including but not limited to Ostrom Principles). What Daniel doesn't see to get is that Moloch thrives when there is too much complexity and not enough monitoring because levels never arose, or were destroyed. And one of the reasons they were destroyed is because of global capitalism, which has made it that people in a family or village or tribe don't need each other any more, and are sharing more with the global economy than within those levels. The attention economy is even destroying integrated psychological individuals, fragmenting them into dopamine-seeking parts.
The practicum you are all seeking begins with re-habilitating levels which have been, or are being destroyed: integrated individual, family, village/tribe, municipality, small company. And for that we need not only liberal intellectuals, but conservative doers, who understand what it means to maintain emergent levels: certain types of self-imposed constraints.
These Schmachtenberger Bombs leave me shell shocked! 🤯
This should have timestamps to reach a broader audience.
This
There is a customary practice that is deeply embedded into the architect of a pacific people's way of life. I think the deeper meaning of what it symbolizes is either lost to the generation today or not accessible to the wider learning community.
So now it can be easily offensive or mistaken as a prideful vendata against an opposition to the custom. This causes alot of in home disharmony between members of the larger family system.
There was a time when the sophistication of small societies relied on the balance of economy by giving back equal value of what was given to another group of people. It was understood that by giving back equal or more if possible, it was to ensure that the group that gave the gift would not fail in thier own system of governance.
Meetings or gatherings of all these thinkers had allocated places to hold council to speculate, prepare, forecast the fundamentals of safe guarding what they knew would one day come to pass.
However way these things became forgotten or lost to time, it may not be my place to argue indiffereces with the patriarch or matriarch within the unit. But at the very least, I can be abit more open to the angst those types of ceremonies can create in tandem with the indoctrination of the modern money concept.
I am not an expert on the subject of wealth and governance distribution for those types of historic/ancient societies, but I know the importance of healing through understanding being human and our relationship with this earth.
People use to walk it. They use to migrate back and forth without the bold lines on paper. They use to follow what the earth was telling them to do. Communication with nature was the very first teacher every living species born into this life on this planet had first encountered.
Thank you. From the bottom of my heart and soul. Peace.
Daniel.... Damn... Man 🤯💥🧠
this is unreal. dude is operating on a different level
No. It's society operating on a different level. That's a problem.
Ultimate gigachad
I would love if you are willing to share your fathers letter.
As a child being told i was a lazy good for nothing , i shrugged but i have raised my children (on my own) have peers who respect my simple values. I am not afraid to just let it be. Do as much as i can when i can and not worry so much about what i can't. Love these conversations so much❤
6:00 - 11:00 such excellent articulation
Brilliant. Inspiring. Affirming. Clear. Heartfelt. The time is now.
Thank you. This was intense.
I liked the conversation, but that removing gaps video editing stuff really sucked and made the flow way too artificial.
I'd recommend focusing on the message and not get distracted by the technical aspects, for your own benefit. It is what it is, I'm happy it exists at all.
Take Aways - 1. Acceptable Exploitation And The Victor's Narrative Is Not A Marker Of Sustainability 2. Locus, Sensing and "Thinking" Are Not Reducible to Binary or Linguistic forms 3. The way power is held, informed by reductionism technologies and metrologies, and then exercised as "capital as commander" will be the primary driver and dynamic that causes cataclysmic existential risk in the three domains we manage 1. Physical 2. Biological 3. Social - IMHO, Remedy to a hyperconnected society that can not holistically integrate due to human scale networks for sensing, computation, and relationship tracking means that actors that inhabit the institutions at the current intersections of capital and technology will drive towards authoritarian and finally totalitarian regime using the "crisis" as their new call to achieve their definitions of progress.
Exactly what Naomi Klein has been pointing out. Billionaire wealth jumped significantly during the pandemic.😢
This brought me hope
Daniel is describing the membrane of reality that we can interact with nature being that membrane.
Final thought, my response, time.
Do get it you needed the energy, as Daniel and Nate know well.
Does anyone have a link to the yellow teaming framework?
holy shit daniel you snapped, where do u get it
Also, Daniel keeps vacillating between pro and anti "resource" as a valid term. Of course what some agent (at whatever level of organization) considers a resource, might be the life or livelihood of another agent (e.g. his whale or 5000 year old tree examples), or needed by several agents with not enough for everyone to go around, or with enough if there were no lower level utility functions and agency (but there are). I.e., competition exists in nature and in all other human affairs. What organismal levels do is decrease certain kinds of competition within their level and increase cooperation and coherence. We need to better understand the beneficial effects of certain kinds of intra-level competition, and offer design alternatives to Darwinian inter-level competition, and construct levels all the way to the UN, without skipping any levels.
Capitalism emerges markets, but it is not organismal. It does not reduce competition and increase cooperation for agents that form its parts. It encourages Molochian dynamics by dissolving the boundaries of lower organismal levels that can mitigate Molochian dynamics within their level, sharing more (and allocating resources wisely) within that level than outside it (or above it), just like in our bodies.
. Yes, The truth is nature does not budget, or plan or mansge. What actually matters most about our genuinely erroneous measures and models though is their proper use is a sensors of life NOT replacements for life, as the growth world has been mistakenly doing, a little categorical mistake. .
Nature relies instead on **nonverbal systems**, organized as wholes, not verbally, that respond to the signals of opportunity and change **in their contexts.** so... The successful plan for the future will be not to do what our tools tell us to do, but for us to become skilled in using our tools to help us feel and read the contexts of natural design we rely on and rely on each other.
anyone know the link to that Yellow Teaming due diligence framework Daniel mentioned he offers around 29:42? I'm assessing a climate tech project and want to think through nth order effects
Finally Dan gets to the fucking point. The same point TZM arrived at like 10 years ago. The same point Bucky hinted at. Great, we know what to change. Let's go!
Who or what is TZM?
@@nonyab3237 TZM is The Zeitgeist Movement (Lots of key insights in the movement) a good place to start is the Doc Zeitgeist Moving forward (On youtube). Hope it adds another dimension to your understanding of our current Socio-Economic climate & potential paths beyond it. 💡💡💡
@@nonyab3237 Also, the guy who made the original TZM documentaries (Peter Joseph) basically did all these lecture presentations basically like Daniel has been doing on the podcast circuit recently; pointing out all the problems with modernity (many of which Peter learned through Jacque Fresco's TVP who learned it from Bucky Fuller's "World Game", etc.), and basically ever since he wrote his first solo book ("The New Human Rights Movement") has arrived at the same conclusions that Daniel has here. I also recently listened to a bunch of old and new David Suzuki, and he's on all the same sentiments. So someone has been carrying this specific torch for us since the 1800's, seriously. I love Daniel and all these other people I mentioned, but eventually in identifying the problem, they identified the solution; the likely impossible to implement solution. It's was called "NL/RBE", in the TZM. Daniel describes it slightly differently, but it's not a new idea, even though I have no doubt he came to his own conclusion. Anyone who studies and contemplates this stuff seriously enough arrives at the same epiphanies. There's also a new movement called "Solarpunk" as well (which is the spiritual antithesis to the "Cyberpunk" aesthetic / morality). All of these movements are describing different aspects of the same concept imho. So many people have basically made up their own lingo to communicate concepts that our present society is oriented to suppress even describing, let alone imagining; completely forbidding building. This is the challenge now... clarifying what doesn't work (Capitalism, Accelerationism, etc.) and why. Then building models of something that has a better shot at working on a global or even multiplanetary scale, so we can prove a way forward, if it's even possible.
Natural Law Resource Based Economy.
in "pre"colonial times native north americans had no names, they also didn't really have "property" either. This meant that someone from one tribe could move across the entire country because someone could expect hospitality from anyone whom he encountered, people lived into their names they were communially granted their names, based on important wise people, so when an important person died, their name remained unclaimed until the community decided that there was someone who could claim the name.. they had no property by the idea that if you "own" something it literally means that you protect it. this 150 idea is bullshit, everything else is good.. just a thought
Why edit this podcast? I feel we're being robbed of some essential talking points here.
Hey you are watching nice!
Try to think what nature wants.
Full stop.
Yes. Very. Good. Because. Everything. Is. A. Matter. Of. Consciousness So. The. DELEMA. IS. ON. AN. Individual. LEVEL. BALANCED. COUNCIOUSE. WHAT. THE. Best. Thing. TO. DO. SO. SIMPLE
12 minutes in and we've established that exploitative Abrahamic religions have to go. I like this guy.
What Moloch life is and the concept behind, I call it the Ideology of competition.
Still looking for God without actually using the word. Lol. Nietzsche, you done good..
From Cradle to Cradle
Please invite dominic hofstetter for a conversation!
Investment? Another simple thing....land. Protect ecosystems.
The whole. A holistic approach. Buy land.
@brookestabler3477 That's a bit simplistic. It works in the short term, but it isn't a long-term solution. Governments, that is the will of other people, can use force, via straight force or economic forces, like a higher land tax, to eventually make the owners or future owners unable or unwilling to carry the cost of owning that land. Someone eventually will be incentivized to turn the land into housing, or a mine, or whatever is most profitable for them, or the government, or the will of the community.
The solution only works if the community and those with power in the government also understand and support it, and if those communal values are sustained over time.
@@nonyab3237 That's why I like the idea of no money. No profit. Community government.
Given the value of a tree, and how quickly they go down, I say again, buy land.
@@brookestabler3477 Private ownership is a major part of the problem Daniel described. Not to mention, your wishes are only obeyed during your lifespan, as long as you have the monetary resources to exert your will within a society through coercion. If you wanted to accomplish what you're trying to describe, you'd have to basically create a Vatican that teaches the worship of trees, and then leverage enough violence, tithing and cronyism to keep it going indefinitely. Highly impractical, likely impossible... abhorrently immoral. Also, there isn't any lie about trees that would be threatening enough to compete with the original Vatican's shtick.
A tyranny can still fall under the banner "love".
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Is that the green ranger?
is fiscal capital a more powerful technology than language ?
Daniel. Likes. His. DREAM. Trying. To. Be. Optimistic......very. hard. To. Do. The.....how. To. Do. It ....Better
closing the materials economy would be catastrophic for small local economies. he's brilliant but some his solutions would have catastrophic consequences for small, mostly poor, communities.
How well do the WEF economic models look after those in poor communities? Someday those will just be described as communities and the egomaniacal collectors of earths resources will live among those communities or they will be outcasts with little to no useful way to contribute to the whole.
What did she said there? 35:32
Daniel, the word does the dancing not the thing.
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yeh Long Live Palestine Long Live Gaza!
AI for Prophets not Profits...
Trying. To. Hit. The. Centre. TARGET. BUT. MISSING. THE. WHO. CONCEPT. ALLL. TOGETTHER...MISSING. THE. Mark. The. CONUNDRUM. WRONG. STRATEGIES
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Hello !!!
So, uh ... we entered a global mass extinction event. We did, and some people decided to do something about it and i'm one of them. Today the paradigm shift it well under way and we are in what i'm calling recovery mode right now. 2020 is a place in time and it also means perfect vision when you are in an eye doctors office. We spent too many decades giving too much stage time to the word "hate" and today we need to remember and look into the past and refocus everything about us such that the other four letter word "love" is at the core of our being and everything we do.
I'm the guy who facilitated our paradigm shift, I truly am. I know more of it than anyone else and if you''d like to hear all about it reply to me here. Times are changing and censorship against everything that was not "the official story" is waning, and our freedom to discuss everything is re-emerging.
Also, there is much room in this new whirled for investments into what the game plan is today, and that is, for example, every province, state and municipality today has a game plan for distributed water sourced heating and cooling which is also known as geothermal heating and cooling though that's an inappropriate name where the application relies on flowing water through the ground so ground source or water source are both much more accurate names for these types of heating and cooling methods, but no matter the laws have changed, and they have changed in favor of non-fossil ... everything, actually.
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A tyranny can still fall under the banner "love"...
And is Daniel making the naturalistic fallacy? Nature can be quite brutal. Appeals to the wisdom of nature were used in the past to justify social Darwinism. It's no better to use this argument to justify that we should be like bees or ants. Let's learn from nature, for sure, but not mindlessly copy it. It is not necessarily an emergent organismal entity that has our (humanity's) best interest in mind, Gaia hypothesis is not settled.
Nature also has nested levels of organization, but only the highest level (e.g. our body) has evolvability (and arguably agency). Its nesting dynamics are totalitarian. We don't really have an example in nature of the third attractor, except possibly in our consciousness (and lower levels which have some evolvability and agency)
I think he’s saying - nature as guide not necessarily as god. Nature is a big complex system that has existed a long time and we would benefit by building with Nature- as a wholistic system available to us.
@@rustart sure, but is he also saying that nature has figured out third attractor dynamics? I don't know if it has. In all examples except consciousness, I only see first and second attractor dynamics. See my other two comments...
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Go vegan
Just stop.
Daniel has an impressive vocabulary and ability to dance around simple questions with hollow ideas that deliver no clear answers or questions. Disappointing. Done wasting my time listening to him.
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