For anyone who is going to disagree with the definition of tempo here, here is a follow up video of when MTG pro Zach Allen provided his definition of “effective” mana spent onto your board state and managing the effective mana to win the game. What is Tempo in cEDH and Commander? feat. Zach Allen th-cam.com/video/nFLWaMCB5hU/w-d-xo.html And here’s an article from Reid Duke that essentially says the same thing: magic.wizards.com/en/news/feature/tempo-2014-09-22
Yep, they are not activated abilities. They are a special action that does not use the stack. The trigger that follows will use the stack, but the action of flipping it does not. And triggered abilities are not hampered by split second. I assume wizards did it this way so that morph wasn't just completely useless, as otherwise you'd be able to respond to a morph activation and kill it before it flips. Which would make the ability really bad.
I started multiplayer commander with Kadena as I bought the precon when it got released. Had a blast playing it , the control game and the "illusionary" feeling you had when playing morphs that could be litteraly anything and I am often nostalgic of these moments. The deck had most of the morph cards you mentioned such as Kadena's silencer, Willbender, Den protecteur, Nantuko vigilante etc etc... which sounds great o_o My friends at the time told me morphs were so bad that I would never have fun playing Kadena. We played in casual pod. I stopped playing her after that and had a hard time getting the same kind of fun I had with Kadena. Now this video talking about that commander kinda brings me a lot of nostalgia of those times playing the precon deck :D Very nice video there! :) So happy Kadena made it this far in the hands of a very good player!
I bought the Ghired deck. I am not playing it anymore. Meanwhile while playing online with friends i have way more fun playing Kadeena. Regret not buying Kadeena precon
@@Rayan01012 The Ghired deck was crazy strong and had a lot of room for upgrades but I admit it was a bit too straightforward and I kinda liked a tricky gameplan so I can understand what you mean there, hope you have fun in commander anyway! :)
Kadena is a lot of fun. I play a weird commander deck where it’s only creatures and lands. This allows me to companion Umari to get discounts on casting the morphs later if need be.
I'm going to have to look at the deck list when I can for any other morph ideas I missed. I made my own morph deck with yarus, roar of the old gods that can really pop off and draw the entire deck and have a massive board that swings for game that same turn since yarus gives haste.
This was such a fun video! I’ve been playing Kadena as a decently high-powered deck in casual commander. Nice to see that when optimized, it can compete at a cEDH level!
Morph interaction is some of the most fun skill shot interaction in the game, imo. You only need get your Artisan of Kozilek yoinked by a Kheru Spellsnatcher one time, and you're gonna be playing removal first for the rest of your career LMAO It was me. I used the Spellsnatcher. My nephew hasn't trusted me since.
So happy to see Kadena get some love. I play Kadena regularly (not CEDH) with the win con (that you mentioned) of drawing my entire library. But i even have the deck built for primal surge since most of my morphs act as counter spells or removal that i dont need to run instants or sorceries. Not to mention things like brinelock or craterhoof act as spicy threats to the table
I tried a bit of kadena. Like many commanders with no intrinisic card advantage(kadena self-replaces), you still have to find the actual morph cards. Since your creatures are usually low quality, vraska joins up is a piece of potential technology to explore.
Morph is one of my favorite mechanics. I have a morph deck that does not run kadena, it runs Ezuri, claw of progress. It is definitely not CEDH level, but it is so much fun to play
Wish I kept my kadena instead of selling some single commanders. The new morphs are really good with that ward! It’s so cool seeing it win a cEDH tournament.
Kadena is cool and all but I still prefer missy as a morph commander that said I am happy to see one of my favorite child hood mechanics getting more love
Actually, it's not that bad. Usually it's 1 more mana than a spell effect that's similar at most. It is bad however when you have to pay the full price of morphing it down first. That's what typically makes morphs terrible to play.
@@tonysmith9905 1 more mana than regular is pretty significant, no? 2, or worse 4-mana (?!) Counterspells, a 3 mana single target creature removal, and some 2-mana Disenchants? All due credit to the person who played this deck to obviously great results, but it's extremely difficult to justify for myself! What do you do if Kadena is removed? 12% of the deck is unplayable now.
@@havardharaldsen332 the thing with Kadena in CEDH is because of how relatively low power it looks on the surface it can go by unanswered more than you think. She doesn't look too threatening on her own so it won't trip alarm bells and act as a removal magnet like dedicated combo commanders like Najeela. If you have a piece of creature removal and you have to pick between Najeela and Kadena you're probably picking Najeela 10/10 times
Kadena is ass. How many legit good morph creatures are there? There is only one good morph combo, brine elemental and vesuvan Shapeshifter, that cost 9 mana to get going. This combo can go in any deck of the same color with a better general than Kadena.
For anyone who is going to disagree with the definition of tempo here, here is a follow up video of when MTG pro Zach Allen provided his definition of “effective” mana spent onto your board state and managing the effective mana to win the game.
What is Tempo in cEDH and Commander? feat. Zach Allen
th-cam.com/video/nFLWaMCB5hU/w-d-xo.html
And here’s an article from Reid Duke that essentially says the same thing:
magic.wizards.com/en/news/feature/tempo-2014-09-22
People disagreeing with you on the definition of tempo is proof you're making magic videos right.
My favorite part of morph creatures is that you can flip them through split second. So you can even shut down a dress down or krosan grip
Yep, they are not activated abilities. They are a special action that does not use the stack. The trigger that follows will use the stack, but the action of flipping it does not. And triggered abilities are not hampered by split second. I assume wizards did it this way so that morph wasn't just completely useless, as otherwise you'd be able to respond to a morph activation and kill it before it flips. Which would make the ability really bad.
Even better when Split Second is active, they can't react to your triggered ability
@@AbyssArray true that XD
@@KolossusByeah we know it
I see you with the production value level up 🫡
It's the patrion
I started multiplayer commander with Kadena as I bought the precon when it got released. Had a blast playing it , the control game and the "illusionary" feeling you had when playing morphs that could be litteraly anything and I am often nostalgic of these moments. The deck had most of the morph cards you mentioned such as Kadena's silencer, Willbender, Den protecteur, Nantuko vigilante etc etc... which sounds great o_o My friends at the time told me morphs were so bad that I would never have fun playing Kadena. We played in casual pod. I stopped playing her after that and had a hard time getting the same kind of fun I had with Kadena.
Now this video talking about that commander kinda brings me a lot of nostalgia of those times playing the precon deck :D
Very nice video there! :) So happy Kadena made it this far in the hands of a very good player!
I bought the Ghired deck. I am not playing it anymore. Meanwhile while playing online with friends i have way more fun playing Kadeena. Regret not buying Kadeena precon
@@Rayan01012 The Ghired deck was crazy strong and had a lot of room for upgrades but I admit it was a bit too straightforward and I kinda liked a tricky gameplan so I can understand what you mean there, hope you have fun in commander anyway! :)
Kadena is a lot of fun. I play a weird commander deck where it’s only creatures and lands. This allows me to companion Umari to get discounts on casting the morphs later if need be.
@@dashkatae Ooooh, the umori companion is a nice idea! + you get all the interactive morph creatures
@@telos-7006 Ghired was one of my first deck and wasnt my playstyle. I also lacked card draw and the available card draw at the time were expensive
Just started building Kadena with a bunch of manifest dread cards from Duskmourn. Looking pretty fun so far
I'm going to have to look at the deck list when I can for any other morph ideas I missed. I made my own morph deck with yarus, roar of the old gods that can really pop off and draw the entire deck and have a massive board that swings for game that same turn since yarus gives haste.
This was such a fun video! I’ve been playing Kadena as a decently high-powered deck in casual commander. Nice to see that when optimized, it can compete at a cEDH level!
Damn, what a madlad. Someone get that brewing genius on video and have him share his wisdom!
Deck Check podcast interviewed him and he did a complete deep dive on the ins and outs of his list and strategy
Morph interaction is some of the most fun skill shot interaction in the game, imo. You only need get your Artisan of Kozilek yoinked by a Kheru Spellsnatcher one time, and you're gonna be playing removal first for the rest of your career LMAO
It was me. I used the Spellsnatcher. My nephew hasn't trusted me since.
So happy to see Kadena get some love. I play Kadena regularly (not CEDH) with the win con (that you mentioned) of drawing my entire library. But i even have the deck built for primal surge since most of my morphs act as counter spells or removal that i dont need to run instants or sorceries. Not to mention things like brinelock or craterhoof act as spicy threats to the table
In slightly related news, I just finished changing my Kadena deck into a Ninja theme based on an old list of yours. It's a lot of fun!
Orochi soul-reavor and Satoru, the infiltrator are so sick new cards for ninjitsu Kadena
Do you have a decklist somewhere? I need to spice up my Kadena list
Yeh man i play the deck a few times a week at the moment its alot of fun
Master of the veil has been quite average if your looking for a cut
Do you have a list? What does the deck make go brr? I just dont see my opponents not blocking morphs once the Gimmick is revealed
Love fringe decks win CEDH!
Love the tech.
I tried a bit of kadena. Like many commanders with no intrinisic card advantage(kadena self-replaces), you still have to find the actual morph cards.
Since your creatures are usually low quality, vraska joins up is a piece of potential technology to explore.
Morph is one of my favorite mechanics. I have a morph deck that does not run kadena, it runs Ezuri, claw of progress. It is definitely not CEDH level, but it is so much fun to play
Awesome work! I should show you my Animar deck some time (that works on most of the same axes).
Wish I kept my kadena instead of selling some single commanders. The new morphs are really good with that ward! It’s so cool seeing it win a cEDH tournament.
and you mentioned her recently so it's a little bit of destiny!
Babe wake up, Rebellson dropped a new weird cedh deck tech!
Kadena is cool and all but I still prefer missy as a morph commander that said I am happy to see one of my favorite child hood mechanics getting more love
But... the rate for turning morphs face up is so bad?
Actually, it's not that bad. Usually it's 1 more mana than a spell effect that's similar at most.
It is bad however when you have to pay the full price of morphing it down first. That's what typically makes morphs terrible to play.
@@tonysmith9905 1 more mana than regular is pretty significant, no? 2, or worse 4-mana (?!) Counterspells, a 3 mana single target creature removal, and some 2-mana Disenchants? All due credit to the person who played this deck to obviously great results, but it's extremely difficult to justify for myself! What do you do if Kadena is removed? 12% of the deck is unplayable now.
@@havardharaldsen332 the thing with Kadena in CEDH is because of how relatively low power it looks on the surface it can go by unanswered more than you think. She doesn't look too threatening on her own so it won't trip alarm bells and act as a removal magnet like dedicated combo commanders like Najeela. If you have a piece of creature removal and you have to pick between Najeela and Kadena you're probably picking Najeela 10/10 times
Well what the heck was the secret card
Koundé siempre estuvo arropado. La consigna de Xavi era no dejar a Mbappe solo con el extremo. Ferran/Yamal muy bien en las ayudas.
This is sick.
You had me until 5:44...
this is how I built my Animar deck, it's not cedh but people dont like playing against it.
wilderness reclamation and seedborn muse are also good adds
Okay man maybe if i actually build a control list despite my turbo brain this will be what i play
Kadena is ass. How many legit good morph creatures are there? There is only one good morph combo, brine elemental and vesuvan Shapeshifter, that cost 9 mana to get going. This combo can go in any deck of the same color with a better general than Kadena.
Silly Kadena, Animar has been doing this for decades.