It's pretty funny that virtually everyone outside that "community" thinks their offseason sucked: Zach Lowe, Tim Bontemps, Nate Duncan, Danny LeRoux, IIRC Steve Jones Jr. also clowned them for the Tobi hire....the list of paid outside observers who think this team is just obviously and hopelessly stupid goes on and on and on.
Ivey is just finished his sophomore year (in which many players experience a slump), while playing under a new head coach/system, and adjusting to playing next to Cade with limited time. He deserves more grace.
36% from three with the same high volume as last season seems likely. Another modest step when it comes to drawing fouls will give his TS% a very nice boost. Having spacing and guys making shots will help his assist to turnover ratio as much as Cade. I think fans are going to be pleasantly surprised by how well he runs the offense as the PG for the bench mob. Hopefully we will see him get some minutes with Cade throughout the season.
@@pheralanpathfinder4897Ivey and Cade have been working a ton together in the off season. I firmly believe Ivey will solidify a role this year, either running the bench, or being a constant threat with Cade. People tend to forget when it’s just Ivey and lot of other teammates have a good game when he’s having good games. I think Ivey will flourish this year
@@nuggiesss6193 I hope so but Cade's body language when he was off ball for a few plays with Ivey running point didn't seem appealing. Hopefully it wasn't actually a problem.
I thought it was pretty simple decision making in the off-season. Keep the young core and get supportive vets around them and get a new coaching staff OR keep the coaching staff and mortgage the young talent for short-term gains. I personally think they made the right decision but we will see
@@Artis_OTSthe idea of Grimes was intriguing- good defender and 3 point shooter. He was just never healthy for us and reportedly didn’t want to be here. We probably got all we could for a long term injured, disgruntled player, but I do wish we could have gotten some D
@@cordelldemattei5446 too me I thought it was weird New York gave him up for old ass Bojan. 6(?) games of playing here and he suddenly has an injury with him playing bad in all but 1 game. Like I agree the idea of him sounds great but considering New York was barely playing him while being the exact type of player coach Thibs would like it just never felt like he was as good as advertised. If he balls out then good for him, but that's up in the air currently.
@@Artis_OTS I believe he was injured and tried, and obviously failed, to come back. Though it is curious the game against his old team he played great.
Paul Reed could also push Duren for minutes. The Pistons should probably showcase and trade Duren, but I expect them to give him a bad contract extension which fans will like for a year or two, only find the team needing a starting center, but not having the cap because we're stuck with Duren making big money.
@@wrongthinkpodcast2140slowing down, not throwing the ball at the rim, taking better shots, not turning the ball over. Deearon fox was terrible his first season, but he got very good after he learned to slow down. Ivey has shown that he knows what he needs to be better at, he just needs this next year and some team and coaching stability
Ku, i believe you said that you heard from credible sources that Grimes didn’t want to be here, so i think for both parties involved the trade was great personally, but it was terrible for us basketball wise
Ku, it may not have been planned, but this one sounded like you talking to the mirror. There was no discussion, you were just 100% in agreement on everything. I’d love to hear you bring in someone with some different takes.
@@cordelldemattei5446 We could have doubled the salary of all three and still had the ability to pay Tobias 3/48 or close to it. if we put Fontecchio into the Room exception.
@@pheralanpathfinder4897 Also could have pursued guys like Naji Marshall and paid them more than they got elsewhere, and also could still address the backup point guard spot (but won't, because the new GM appears to be deliberately tanking).
Honest question here: Ausar develops a handle but still is a poor shooter. Doesn’t that just equal Killian? A little better because he is more athletic and defends better, but the defense can still just play him for the drive without having a shot. We really need him to become a shooting threat.
@@scottwickett1273 but what more does that bring you when the defense can sag because you are an even worse shooter. I like Ausar a lot, he’ll bring more rebounds and better cutting, but specifically to use him the way Ku wants, as the second ball handler, he absolutely needs to be able to shoot some to be effective.
World apart athletically, and Killian’s problem wasn’t he couldn’t shoot-his problem was he couldn’t shoot *and* he couldn’t drive and *finish* at the rim Ausar will be a good driver and already is a great finisher.
@@LockedOnPistons maybe, but it will be a lot harder because everyone will play him for the drive unless he improves his shooting (getting to that 28% you mentioned😂😂😂).
Killian was a good defender. Can Ausar be in the DPOY conversation? I can build a team around one player who can't shoot by following the Bucks model with Giannis. Doing so for an above average defender like Hayes is harder to justify.
it was either run it back with the young core 4 OR trade for a injury prone all star caliber guy and hope to get swept in the first round with less pieces that can get better for the future
They could have kept Grimes and chased after other young veterans with upside. I guess Reed and Beasley could be those gambles, but i don't see Malik being more than a 3 point shooter off the bench during his prime.
@@cordelldemattei5446 I think if Beasley was actually any good he would have gotten real paid (3+ years at MLE+ dollars) at some point; it is definitely true that he started last year, to the apparent chagrin of Bucks fans.
60m should have brought 2 starters. Tobias seemed inevitable, but where is the other starter? I wanted DLo or Monk at PG, but they extended before we could officially make an offer. I wanted to target a bunch of young veterans. While RFA like Naz and Okoro would be nice, I didn't want to trade away a bunch of assets so... Jalen Smith, Gary Trent, Tyus Jones, and Naji Marshall were all priority targets. That they all signed team friendly deals makes the lack of interest from the Pistons even more irksome. Paul Reed is interesting, as he could potentially develop a three point shot to help space the floor for Ausar or Ron. Trading away a good young veteran 3&D player for a couple future 2nd round picks is hard to comprehend. I know the players have the power in the NBA, but Grimes should be fighting for a contract extension, not dictating a bad trade.
Who says the Pistons weren’t interested in those free agents. It is very likely the tried but who wants to jump into a dumpster fire when you have other options?
@@cordelldemattei5446 is it better if those players all turned down 2-4 times as much money with longer contracts and player options? Trajan keeps things close so it's hard to guess what offers might have been declined. However I doubt we will be hearing many sources claiming the Pistons were aggressive but couldn't get anyone to bite.
Tobias and Beasley.....along with Holland and Bobi......throw in a coach who has a chip on his shoulder and the expected growth from lots of youngsters! Alot better than last year...30 in not unrealistic!
@@pheralanpathfinder4897 To me....pistons need to be closer to 30 wins than 20 wins...20 wins in the East really sucks...that's why north of 25 sounds alot better in terms of future hope...4 talented young players who need to take a step(Cade,Ausar,Ivey,Duren) 4 vet players who can play/shoot(Simone,Harris,Beasley and Stew) and 2 talented rooks! That's my top 10..depth wise...I'll take that 10 over Toronto's 10 any day!
@@scottwickett1273 maybe i'm in the minority,,,but outside of Scottie Barnes....who do the Raptors have that put fear in your game plan? Quickly??? RJ Barret?? those are their #2 and #3 players currently on their roster! After those 3 it pretty much falls off a cliff! What Piston players do you actually like?
@@AndrewPolander Quickly would probably be our 2nd best player. Beyond that neither team has much talent. I did a deep look at the season and had the Pistons winning 12-14 of the first 42 games with the expectation that we beat the Raptors. But that was also assuming both Cade and Ivey play all 42 games. After the half way point I expect some of the three point specialists to be traded for draft picks and young potential like last deadline. 22 wins could put the Pistons over three teams in the East and two out West...
I think the off-season execution was very solid due to the circumstances. Imo. I'll admit. I wasn't too high on the Grimes trade either until I heard rumblings about him, not wanting to be here. I'm not sure he was in there long term plans either. A 25 yo that's been consistently injured since college. Availability was obviously something they were prioritizing. That Ausar and Hollands tandem on the defensive end will be a nightmare. That's why I really hope Fred Vinson works his magic with those two. I'm another gut that's very high on Ausar, but... not sure as a 2 when it comes to modern-day scoring guards. Outside of his handles, I REALLY NEED Ausar to get that free throw percentage up this year. I'm not zoned in on his 3pt shooting this year. Next year will be a different story. This year, free throws and ball handling. Maybe high 20's in 3s. Now Ivey. I love Ivey like a lot of fans BUT I have to agree that he can be a very erratic player. Which probably reminds fans of another beloved erratic player in Brandon Jennings, who I also loved a player here. Better decision-making and consistency are what I want to see from Ivey this season. Yes defense too but that applies to all the young guys not named Stew and Ausar. I'm interested to see if, at some point, they develop a pick and pop game with Cade and Duren. For a young center that shoots 70 plus percent at the free throw line is rare. Very rare. Maybe not next season, but down the road, I'm curious. I know they're very high on him after Cade from the way JB talks about him.
I don't care about Duren adding a pick-and-pop jumper unless and until he stops being an unplayably horrific defender, that's the only thing that matters in a center.
@@workingdad1028 What's your point? Duren is a shit player who makes you lose; we all hope that changes. Also why the fuck are you calling me Ku? That's just weird.
@@scottwickett1273 What's weird is you making a burner to talk spicey to folks online just to avoid not doing it under @locked on pistons. Gotta cover your tracks better my guy. I been seen you slip up KD-Ku.
I think the offseason was a complete hedge. They replaced vets with equivalently talented vets with much better availability. They kept the young guys to do your own evaluation under real coaching and can still make moves on them at this years deadline. They may have more value by then and it’s not like we are winning this year.
Beasley and Fontecchio both signed contracts designed to be traded at the deadline. Reed and THJ arrived here already having such a contract. Its harder to guess if we trade for picks or to bring in some win now talent.
@@pheralanpathfinder4897 it all depends on availability. I would guess a priority would be talent as we already have a lot of youth, but again someone’s got to be willing to trade for what we are offering.
@@scottwickett1273 Wiseman is my go to example of a 7' I don't want on the Pistons. I wanted to trade back for Kel'el Ware and would have been okay taking him at 5. Not because Kel'el is 7' tall but because he has the potential to be a solid 3&D center. The exact style of center which Ausar needs.
For us he was an upgrade cause we was so young and bad with a coach that was just their for the money, but for a team that's trying to rebuild he's not a cornerstone but a trade chip. Teams that are good already, can add his presence (off the bench), and see the benefit.
Agreed on thj for grimes is a disappointing miss. Seems similar to Burks. Streaky shooter and no defense. Never got to see what grimes has to offer and he is a solid 3 and D wing that fit our core.
That trade was about the picks; it's the only vet move I liked, as this team is still hopelessly fucked forever because they are so bereft of assets. Gotta start somewhere.
We gave up the younger player on a smaller contract, who might already be the better player, for a local guy who is buddies with Cade. But hey maybe some future 2nd round picks will bring us an all star.
@@AndrewPolander Yea, it's a horrible contract and concrete evidence that they are still hopelessly fucked because they are still the stupidest team out of 30 by a fairly wide margin.
@@LockedOnPistonslet’s hear about the new coaches. Bring in someone from Ivey’s camp to get a different perspective. You’ve only covered starters, let’s hear your whole rotation. Let’s hear about the drafted guys Our g league?
This is the season to tank with lots of great top 5 talents. The top are interchangeable -- Flagg and Bailey. Then you get 3 great guards in Harper, Traore and Edgecomb.
Cade has yet to play, say, 76 games in a season. I hate to say this, given how bad the Pistons are, but I am not fully convinced that he is the Pistons future superstar. Every single player on this mediocre roster is trade capital including CC, if the price is right.
There is definitely an argument for trading him, but it's based on everything being hopelessly fucked because Weaver fucked up so bad rather than anything about Cade not being good.
If you want to shed the Stew contract we don't need to add assets to the trade. if you plan to give Ingram a 250 million dollar extension I don't even know where to begin.
love hearing thoughts from outside the piston community
It's pretty funny that virtually everyone outside that "community" thinks their offseason sucked: Zach Lowe, Tim Bontemps, Nate Duncan, Danny LeRoux, IIRC Steve Jones Jr. also clowned them for the Tobi hire....the list of paid outside observers who think this team is just obviously and hopelessly stupid goes on and on and on.
1st Listen...Ku always delivers. Word up.
Ivey is just finished his sophomore year (in which many players experience a slump), while playing under a new head coach/system, and adjusting to playing next to Cade with limited time. He deserves more grace.
36% from three with the same high volume as last season seems likely. Another modest step when it comes to drawing fouls will give his TS% a very nice boost. Having spacing and guys making shots will help his assist to turnover ratio as much as Cade.
I think fans are going to be pleasantly surprised by how well he runs the offense as the PG for the bench mob. Hopefully we will see him get some minutes with Cade throughout the season.
@@pheralanpathfinder4897Ivey and Cade have been working a ton together in the off season. I firmly believe Ivey will solidify a role this year, either running the bench, or being a constant threat with Cade. People tend to forget when it’s just Ivey and lot of other teammates have a good game when he’s having good games. I think Ivey will flourish this year
@@nuggiesss6193 I hope so but Cade's body language when he was off ball for a few plays with Ivey running point didn't seem appealing. Hopefully it wasn't actually a problem.
@@pheralanpathfinder4897 last season it really seemed like Cade hated to give Ivey the ball. Hopefully them working out give Cade some trust in Ivey.
Not giving up on Ivey!
I thought it was pretty simple decision making in the off-season. Keep the young core and get supportive vets around them and get a new coaching staff OR keep the coaching staff and mortgage the young talent for short-term gains. I personally think they made the right decision but we will see
Agreed
Same, we got some spacing and didn't have to trade anyone (aside from grimes who I wasn't high on myself) to really improve the roster.
@@Artis_OTSthe idea of Grimes was intriguing- good defender and 3 point shooter. He was just never healthy for us and reportedly didn’t want to be here. We probably got all we could for a long term injured, disgruntled player, but I do wish we could have gotten some D
@@cordelldemattei5446 too me I thought it was weird New York gave him up for old ass Bojan. 6(?) games of playing here and he suddenly has an injury with him playing bad in all but 1 game.
Like I agree the idea of him sounds great but considering New York was barely playing him while being the exact type of player coach Thibs would like it just never felt like he was as good as advertised.
If he balls out then good for him, but that's up in the air currently.
@@Artis_OTS I believe he was injured and tried, and obviously failed, to come back. Though it is curious the game against his old team he played great.
Duren will find out very quickly that JB expects D....The whole Duren or Stew at the 5 ? will be an interesting dynamic!
One of those two guarantees losing, so, yes, interesting.
Paul Reed could also push Duren for minutes. The Pistons should probably showcase and trade Duren, but I expect them to give him a bad contract extension which fans will like for a year or two, only find the team needing a starting center, but not having the cap because we're stuck with Duren making big money.
@@pheralanpathfinder4897 I too fear that outcome!
I'm not out on Ivey yet. He's showing growth like players his age should.
Lol! What growth???
@@wrongthinkpodcast2140 Excellent question!
@@wrongthinkpodcast2140slowing down, not throwing the ball at the rim, taking better shots, not turning the ball over. Deearon fox was terrible his first season, but he got very good after he learned to slow down. Ivey has shown that he knows what he needs to be better at, he just needs this next year and some team and coaching stability
I think Troy weaver would’ve made the same moves ngl
Ku, i believe you said that you heard from credible sources that Grimes didn’t want to be here, so i think for both parties involved the trade was great personally, but it was terrible for us basketball wise
Correct
Ku, it may not have been planned, but this one sounded like you talking to the mirror. There was no discussion, you were just 100% in agreement on everything.
I’d love to hear you bring in someone with some different takes.
Ideally, in my mind would like to picked up Jalen Smith, Tyus Jones, and Gary Trent Jr.
That would be a very nice off season and we would still have the cap to give Tobias a nice swan song.
We likely tried and none of them wanted to play here
@@cordelldemattei5446 We could have doubled the salary of all three and still had the ability to pay Tobias 3/48 or close to it. if we put Fontecchio into the Room exception.
@@pheralanpathfinder4897 Also could have pursued guys like Naji Marshall and paid them more than they got elsewhere, and also could still address the backup point guard spot (but won't, because the new GM appears to be deliberately tanking).
Both Holland and Bobi will surprise!
Honest question here: Ausar develops a handle but still is a poor shooter. Doesn’t that just equal Killian? A little better because he is more athletic and defends better, but the defense can still just play him for the drive without having a shot. We really need him to become a shooting threat.
No it absolutely does not equal Killian, they are worlds apart athletically.
@@scottwickett1273 but what more does that bring you when the defense can sag because you are an even worse shooter. I like Ausar a lot, he’ll bring more rebounds and better cutting, but specifically to use him the way Ku wants, as the second ball handler, he absolutely needs to be able to shoot some to be effective.
World apart athletically, and Killian’s problem wasn’t he couldn’t shoot-his problem was he couldn’t shoot *and* he couldn’t drive and *finish* at the rim
Ausar will be a good driver and already is a great finisher.
@@LockedOnPistons maybe, but it will be a lot harder because everyone will play him for the drive unless he improves his shooting (getting to that 28% you mentioned😂😂😂).
Killian was a good defender. Can Ausar be in the DPOY conversation?
I can build a team around one player who can't shoot by following the Bucks model with Giannis. Doing so for an above average defender like Hayes is harder to justify.
it was either run it back with the young core 4 OR trade for a injury prone all star caliber guy and hope to get swept in the first round with less pieces that can get better for the future
Those were not the only options.
They could have kept Grimes and chased after other young veterans with upside. I guess Reed and Beasley could be those gambles, but i don't see Malik being more than a 3 point shooter off the bench during his prime.
Pistons have legit depth and lots of rotational possibilities alongside Cade and Ausar !
We do have depth, the question is do we have guys that are NBA starters. Cade, Tobias, Beasley, the rest need to show it
@@cordelldemattei5446 Tobi and Beasley shouldn't necessarily be counted here: they were functional starters on GOOD teams last year, but....
@@scottwickett1273 I think they are NBA level starters, not that they are stars or that Beasley will definitely start.
@@cordelldemattei5446 I think if Beasley was actually any good he would have gotten real paid (3+ years at MLE+ dollars) at some point; it is definitely true that he started last year, to the apparent chagrin of Bucks fans.
Ku, looks like it’s time to sell. Cade, Ron and Ausar and sell the rest.
Not gonna get much, but I generally agree.
60m should have brought 2 starters.
Tobias seemed inevitable, but where is the other starter?
I wanted DLo or Monk at PG, but they extended before we could officially make an offer.
I wanted to target a bunch of young veterans. While RFA like Naz and Okoro would be nice, I didn't want to trade away a bunch of assets so...
Jalen Smith, Gary Trent, Tyus Jones, and Naji Marshall were all priority targets. That they all signed team friendly deals makes the lack of interest from the Pistons even more irksome.
Paul Reed is interesting, as he could potentially develop a three point shot to help space the floor for Ausar or Ron.
Trading away a good young veteran 3&D player for a couple future 2nd round picks is hard to comprehend. I know the players have the power in the NBA, but Grimes should be fighting for a contract extension, not dictating a bad trade.
I still liked the Hardaway trade: they need assets, and I don't think Grimes is one.
Who says the Pistons weren’t interested in those free agents. It is very likely the tried but who wants to jump into a dumpster fire when you have other options?
@@cordelldemattei5446 is it better if those players all turned down 2-4 times as much money with longer contracts and player options?
Trajan keeps things close so it's hard to guess what offers might have been declined. However I doubt we will be hearing many sources claiming the Pistons were aggressive but couldn't get anyone to bite.
@@scottwickett1273 if Grimes turns out to be a bad player you'll be right. But he was solid for the Knicks prior to the injury.
Tobias and Beasley.....along with Holland and Bobi......throw in a coach who has a chip on his shoulder and the expected growth from lots of youngsters! Alot better than last year...30 in not unrealistic!
30 losses in the first half is a reasonable guess. Thirty wins for the season is a long shot.
@@pheralanpathfinder4897 To me....pistons need to be closer to 30 wins than 20 wins...20 wins in the East really sucks...that's why north of 25 sounds alot better in terms of future hope...4 talented young players who need to take a step(Cade,Ausar,Ivey,Duren) 4 vet players who can play/shoot(Simone,Harris,Beasley and Stew) and 2 talented rooks! That's my top 10..depth wise...I'll take that 10 over Toronto's 10 any day!
@@AndrewPolander I would not.
@@scottwickett1273 maybe i'm in the minority,,,but outside of Scottie Barnes....who do the Raptors have that put fear in your game plan? Quickly??? RJ Barret?? those are their #2 and #3 players currently on their roster! After those 3 it pretty much falls off a cliff! What Piston players do you actually like?
@@AndrewPolander Quickly would probably be our 2nd best player. Beyond that neither team has much talent. I did a deep look at the season and had the Pistons winning 12-14 of the first 42 games with the expectation that we beat the Raptors. But that was also assuming both Cade and Ivey play all 42 games.
After the half way point I expect some of the three point specialists to be traded for draft picks and young potential like last deadline.
22 wins could put the Pistons over three teams in the East and two out West...
Bobi is also a part of that young core!
That remains to be seen; by definition every second-round pick might not be an NBA player at all.
@@scottwickett1273 alot of mocks had him going as early as 20.....I believe in his skillset. He is a very good standstill 3 point shooter as well!
I think the off-season execution was very solid due to the circumstances. Imo.
I'll admit. I wasn't too high on the Grimes trade either until I heard rumblings about him, not wanting to be here. I'm not sure he was in there long term plans either. A 25 yo that's been consistently injured since college. Availability was obviously something they were prioritizing.
That Ausar and Hollands tandem on the defensive end will be a nightmare. That's why I really hope Fred Vinson works his magic with those two.
I'm another gut that's very high on Ausar, but... not sure as a 2 when it comes to modern-day scoring guards. Outside of his handles, I REALLY NEED Ausar to get that free throw percentage up this year. I'm not zoned in on his 3pt shooting this year. Next year will be a different story. This year, free throws and ball handling. Maybe high 20's in 3s.
Now Ivey. I love Ivey like a lot of fans BUT I have to agree that he can be a very erratic player. Which probably reminds fans of another beloved erratic player in Brandon Jennings, who I also loved a player here. Better decision-making and consistency are what I want to see from Ivey this season. Yes defense too but that applies to all the young guys not named Stew and Ausar.
I'm interested to see if, at some point, they develop a pick and pop game with Cade and Duren. For a young center that shoots 70 plus percent at the free throw line is rare. Very rare. Maybe not next season, but down the road, I'm curious. I know they're very high on him after Cade from the way JB talks about him.
I don't care about Duren adding a pick-and-pop jumper unless and until he stops being an unplayably horrific defender, that's the only thing that matters in a center.
@scottwickett1273 ku, your not the president of basketball operations. Your a fan like the rest of us.
@@workingdad1028 What's your point? Duren is a shit player who makes you lose; we all hope that changes.
Also why the fuck are you calling me Ku? That's just weird.
@@scottwickett1273 What's weird is you making a burner to talk spicey to folks online just to avoid not doing it under @locked on pistons. Gotta cover your tracks better my guy. I been seen you slip up KD-Ku.
I think the offseason was a complete hedge. They replaced vets with equivalently talented vets with much better availability. They kept the young guys to do your own evaluation under real coaching and can still make moves on them at this years deadline. They may have more value by then and it’s not like we are winning this year.
Beasley and Fontecchio both signed contracts designed to be traded at the deadline. Reed and THJ arrived here already having such a contract. Its harder to guess if we trade for picks or to bring in some win now talent.
@@pheralanpathfinder4897 it all depends on availability. I would guess a priority would be talent as we already have a lot of youth, but again someone’s got to be willing to trade for what we are offering.
20 wins in todays East...absolutley sucks! Gotta believe Pistons will be closer to 30 than 20! Which would be a positive step!
I wish I shared your optimism. 21 wins would be a 50% increase over last year's win total.
20-24 seems reasonable. But hoping for 30 is what fans should be doing, just don't take the over on 24.5
gotta give the worst to the Wiz! Tyus Jones, Deni Avdija and Daniel Gafford were by far 3 of their best..if not their best players!
No, the Wiz are smart now! They're tanking, and the Deni trade was great for them.
I would've liked to see them draft or trade for a 7 footer
Need to get McGee
I'd rather have good players than tall players...
@@pheralanpathfinder4897 Por que no los dos?
@@scottwickett1273 Wiseman is my go to example of a 7' I don't want on the Pistons.
I wanted to trade back for Kel'el Ware and would have been okay taking him at 5.
Not because Kel'el is 7' tall but because he has the potential to be a solid 3&D center. The exact style of center which Ausar needs.
@@pheralanpathfinder4897 And those are the future, more generally!
Every off-season has been disappointing for the last 15 years 😂
Yes, they are fucked forever. There is no hope.
Grimes aint nothing to hold on to unless your already established
We won half the games he played in
@@Antonio-h7cand he played terribly in all but 1 game he played in.
We also got nothing for him
@@nickeddy1823 Depends what you think of Hardaway: they did get three second rounders from that trade, after all.
For us he was an upgrade cause we was so young and bad with a coach that was just their for the money, but for a team that's trying to rebuild he's not a cornerstone but a trade chip. Teams that are good already, can add his presence (off the bench), and see the benefit.
Extremely disappointing, yes.
Agreed on thj for grimes is a disappointing miss. Seems similar to Burks. Streaky shooter and no defense. Never got to see what grimes has to offer and he is a solid 3 and D wing that fit our core.
That trade was about the picks; it's the only vet move I liked, as this team is still hopelessly fucked forever because they are so bereft of assets.
Gotta start somewhere.
We gave up the younger player on a smaller contract, who might already be the better player, for a local guy who is buddies with Cade. But hey maybe some future 2nd round picks will bring us an all star.
@@pheralanpathfinder4897 They need all the assets they can get for future trades.
Tobias and THJ are washed up. Maybe not as bad off as Joe Harris but close. That's why the off season sucked.
I'm not even sure Tobi is all the way washed, I just know he is too wildly and disgustingly overpaid to be flipped for an asset.
Tobias not washed...just not a good contract....THJ is...washed
@@AndrewPolander Yea, it's a horrible contract and concrete evidence that they are still hopelessly fucked because they are still the stupidest team out of 30 by a fairly wide margin.
17 and 7 on solid shooting. In a position we did not have. Tell me you only watch 1st take and the playoffs without telling me
@@nickeddy1823 No, YOU tell ME that you never watched the Sixers even once last year without telling me. (Sixers fans unanimously hate that dude.)
This dude has been talking about the same topics all off season
You have ideas?
Technically its a Pistons Podcast, so the range of topics are limited.
@@LockedOnPistonslet’s hear about the new coaches.
Bring in someone from Ivey’s camp to get a different perspective.
You’ve only covered starters, let’s hear your whole rotation.
Let’s hear about the drafted guys
Our g league?
Great off-season. Back up players that fit the team.
Disastrous offseason, grotesque mismanagement.
This is the season to tank with lots of great top 5 talents. The top are interchangeable -- Flagg and Bailey. Then you get 3 great guards in Harper, Traore and Edgecomb.
They are not interchangeable, nothing could be further from the truth.
Almost every season is a great year to tank. When will there be a great year to start winning?
@@pheralanpathfinder4897 Not sure, but it's looking like the new GM is deliberately tanking, so I guess not this year!
That 28 game losing streak at the beginning had alot to do with that crappy win total !
Cade has yet to play, say, 76 games in a season. I hate to say this, given how bad the Pistons are, but I am not fully convinced that he is the Pistons future superstar. Every single player on this mediocre roster is trade capital including CC, if the price is right.
There is definitely an argument for trading him, but it's based on everything being hopelessly fucked because Weaver fucked up so bad rather than anything about Cade not being good.
Why do we still have beef stewie?!
Defense versatility locker room guy
Second-best player on the team.
38% three point shooter with very good defense doesn't fit with the current roster full of guys who can only do one of those two things...
@@pheralanpathfinder4897 Yea, he is one of the very few keepers they've got.
Trade sasser and like 3 second for moody Stew thj 2 second and 2031 first for bi at trade deadline
Nooooooooooooooooooo, Ingram is a terrible suggestion.
@@scottwickett1273 no he not
@@Antonio-h7c Only a complete and utter moron would want his next contract.
If you want to shed the Stew contract we don't need to add assets to the trade. if you plan to give Ingram a 250 million dollar extension I don't even know where to begin.
@@pheralanpathfinder4897 Ingram not he not getting that without all NBA type season and if he do have that absolutely pay him