The fact they did the same stuff you said in the last SW video is like an insult to your film criticism. Personally, you're not as wrong as comments say you are. The movie did it poorly and the only thing people would be remembering from this movie is the Nostalgia of it, which shouldn't be the only good thing of a Star Wars movie.
"your parents were nobodies. they sold you for drinking money." "oh also you're the granddaughter of the most powerful individual in the galaxy." Pick one, Disney.
Oh, and Rey even though your original motivation was to find out who you are and where you came from, let ignore that for like 2 movies, then have a ancient space wizard that was killed by being thrown down a near bottomless pit on an exploding super-weapon which fell from space and crashed into one of Endor’s moons as a fiery wreck 40yrs ago but is still alive because reasons, vaguely hint that you’re his granddaughter without telling you diddly-squat about ever having a son or daughter to be your mom or dad, just for you to absently accept what the galaxy’s greatest manipulator tells you without even the Will of The Force as proof as just fact, only for none of it to matter because you want to identify as a Skywalker now having about as much of a connection to their name as you did Palpatine’s, and before you steal the Skywalker identity for yourself be sure to randomly kiss your probably-not-cousin? on the mouth to give his dying body one last thrill before Ben angst himself back to life in time for the next trilogy so we can milk this franchise all over again!
During the movie, when Kylo Ren climbed out of the hole and stood up, I turned to my friend and said “oh that’s why it’s called Rise of Skywalker” and she burst out laughing.
I see a great irony how 'Star Wars'; the franchise that inspired most, if not all, blockbuster franchises today; ended as a clone to one of those franchises.
@@runningcommentary2125 lol SAME. When they said they weren't following legends, one of my first thoughts was "Oh great. Now I don't have to deal with that stupid Palpatine returned nonsense!" Oh how naïve I was.
This movie just makes the end of Return of The Jedi pointless: -Palpatine was still alive -The Empire wasn't defeated -New Republic was a failure -Now there are thousands of planet destroying weapons so destroying the 2nd Death Star was like killing another stormtrooper. -Anakin didn't bring balance to the force Rey was the real chosen one -The jedi didn't return.
Yeah. Pretty much. Hell all the other planet destroying weapons were stationary. These ones were mobile and had some crazy force field. So even having a death star in the first place has become obsolete.
Hold on this movie DIDN'T shit on "The empire wasn't defeated" alone ... all 3 films took a big dump at that, and i think the one that deserves the blame the most is TFA because it just starts with a new empire that already took over most of the galaxy again. But to this movie's "credit" they did that stupid overcomplicated explanation about how Palpatine while still being the ruler of the galaxy, played dead, made the First Order to be his new empire, but whitout telling anyone he was there but replaced the public figure of the leader with Snoke who was controlled by him, fine don't reveal yourself, then Kylo kills Snoke and takes over the FO to the point that Palpatine has to bargain with him, then after Kylo couldn't kill Rey, Palps just replaces him with Pryde as the new leader and everyone in the FO accepts it without consequences, not to mention Pryde even says the emperor always had allies... why bother with the secrets and snoke and all that if he created the damn thing and also all the people in it would have followed his commands... again!... this movie is stupid.
*Luke sneaks around cloud city nearby stormtroopers while Vader walks by.* *Stoemtrooper:* Luke Skywalker's father. *Luke:* No..no that's impossible!!! *Stormtrooper:* I think that guy should search his feelings.he knows it's true. *Luke:* NOOOOOO!!!
imagine if Obi Wan would have just told him everything in his house, in: Ep. 4, A New Hope "Oh Luke, Btw The right hand of the Imperator is your father, He is a massmurderer and a Sithlord, he looks that robotic, because i cut off his limbs and let him burn alive on a lavaplanet,. He was like a brother for me once, before he killed all Jedi ... and this women in that Hologram is Princess Leia from Alderan, she is your Sister" "And now you will have to face the whole empire and blow up their deathstar"
Inside his mind: EVERYDAY I WAKE UP THEN I START TO CRINGE UP LONELY AS AN ACTOR WITH A BAD LINE EVERYDAY I START OUT DESTROY LUCAS' ART OUT ONE BY ONE, END OF STAR WARS LOOOOOOOOVE
I honestly feel bad for the entire cast. I'm glad Oscar's been doing a lot of work on other big projects out there. I even feel sorry for Daisy Riddley, because she seems really nice ... but she just doesn't work as an actress for me. Her strength is that she has "leading lady" looks, but even in that movie with Tom Holland, she just feels so stiff and blank. (I mean hey, I'm bad at emoting, too, but that's also why I'm not a professional entertainer.) I still wish her luck and success in her future endeavors, whatever they may be.
That’s JJ Abrams for you. He has absolutely no creativity. He just sees something original and that people like, so he blatantly rips it off and puts it into his own shitty movie.
yeah but Endgames "moment" was a SJW shit show. horribly done, not all that memorable, and just...just no.....and they cheated the audience out of the Hulk/Thanos rematch.....what the hell!?!?!?
@@justindearmond1 So because of a 10 second shot where some women stand together, that makes the entire 3rd act an SJW mess? The culmination of 22 movies and 10 years of filmmaking, a completely unprecedented cinematic event? Fucking come on dude. Just say you hate/are afraid of women and that you know nothing about film and move on.
@@DeadKraken Prequels teleport behind the Sequel Trilogy and whispering in its ears: *Hello there* Before the Sequel trilogy gets torn apart in a powerful, fast and swift strike *silence* The Prequels stand over the dead body of the OG Trilogy, kneeling. Holding the lifeless body in its arms and tears running down the cheek "Im sorry, old friend. I failed, I failed...you" They burst out in crying as the screen fades to black :´(
@Off The wall prequel trilogy has become more powerful than any off the trilogy s plus you gotta admit the lightsaber battles are epic in prequel trilogy there's not a single good lightsaber fight in the whole sequel trilogy seriously.
Palpatine: *Spent years planting the seeds of doubt in Anakin's head to make him join him* Also Palpatine: Become Empress Palpatine... Rey: No Palpatine: *Welp, i give up*
@Jason Smith I don't think the movie properly established that, if that was their intention. It also wouldn't make sense in terms of light/dark -- why would the dark side reward the victim and not the antagonist? The Sith don't believe in helping the weak. That also wasn't a limitation for the books: Palpatine's body looked decrepit because his extensive dark-side use had physical ramifications, a la E=mc^2; the physical life powered the Force, so he recharged his Force batteries by replacing his own body, and at all times he was the perp and not the victim.
Jason Smith Wait, so if Rey had to kill him when he’s weak, why the hell would Palpatine absorb Rey’s power, making him stronger and Rey weaker? Do you not have any critical thinking skills or what?
Jar Jar Abrams is a much worse hack than Joss Whedon. Whedon was given an impossible task, a task which never should have been placed in his lap but which was because WB is evil. He has the chops to create some thing original and moving -- but WB wanted an Avengers cut and paste. Abrams just steals other people's ideas and turns them into the film equivalent of muzak. He put zero effort in, then cashed a check and moved on to the next vampiric feast upon someone else's creativity. Thanks, nepotism.
The cinema where I watched It was just straight Up empty. Looks like people already knew It was shit (This was the day of release by the way) And this cinema is always usually full
Reminder that Han didn't become a force ghost, it was just Kylo's imagination. He just decided to forgive himself by pretending his father did. The Disney trilogy was a mistake
It's absolutely a psychotic episode. Kylo Ren had finally gone completely off the deep end and is hallucinating his father forgiving him for the deaths of potentially trillions of people. And it's practically the best scene in the movie, which is embarrassing.
In the Re-release they'll have those two stormtroopers to explain it to you, just casuallyhanging out and this will be their lines: "Knights of Ren" "No shit, Sherlock"
If they wanted the character back, all they had to do was make him Palpatine's son, who it turns out was manipulating the First Order in the background this whole time, trying to rebuild the empire he thought he would inherit when his father died. It could turn out that he was hunting down his little sister for two films- she had been snatched away and hidden to save her from being slaughtered by her brother because she was a threat to his dream of domination.
Or it wasn't her parents that left her on Jakku; maybe her father knew Palpatine was going to take over his body so he sent her off with someone who had instructions to leave her somewhere her father had never been so that Palpatine couldn't find her
@@Shadowkey392 then call the people whom you wrecked the house man babies because they are mad you wrecked their house by saying "Wtf are you so mad about, this roof costs a billion dollars!!"
Cap: *looks defeated with broken shield (Poe: *looks defeated with broken fleet) Falcon: On your left (Lando: On your left) Marvel characters we care about: *appear (Resistance reinforcements we don't give a shit about: *appear) * *Avengers theme plays* * (* *Star Wars theme plays* *) Thanos: I am inevitable (Palpatine: I am all the Sith.) Tony: And I am Iron Man. (Rey: And I am all the Jedi.) *Thanos and Tony killed. (*Palpatine & Rey killed, only having Rey to be revived because the plagiarism is too obvious at this point.)
It’s modern Disney, and as much as we wish that were true, it will most likely never happen. At the most, it would be a very average entry. At the worst, another weak movie
If they just let one person direct all three movies it would have been different. Imagine if one director made Infinity War and then they hired someone else to film Endgame, the tone everything would have changed.
Too late Carey Fisher unfortunately is actually gone and Mark Hamil has suffered from political dementia over the past 4 years... Nothing is the same....and everybody knows....everybody knowsssss...everybody knows *they tried*
Nah it made money therefore by tje laws of capitalism this is what we want, ergo, make more. The only way to stop it is to stop buying it.... That's it
Franchises that are changed and marketed at kids, eventually die, the true fans have grown up, but the company is out of touch with it’s now adult fanbase, because they’re now trying to bring in both adults and kids. And you get a mess of crap and feel good stories... and stupid kid logic.
When me and my family were in the theatre, my dad told me at the end “the only way this could get worse if the Ewoks make an appearance”, and one minute later the Ewoks made their cameo. Both me and my dad laughed pretty hard at that.
Hey, it didn't made me a laugh Do you have sense of humor or something This joke isn't funny BTW this movie was bad Also no, this makes that why he hated his dad and dude Seriously imagine your dad forgive you when you did dirty to him
It wasn't a hallucination but Leia using everything she was left with to project herself as Han and talk to Kylo. It was there for Kylo to realise that it is not too late and even after all that has happened he still has a chance at Redemption similar to his Grandfather who did much worse shit but at the end gave up his life to save his son.
@TrainerblueTube I'm pretty sure that's official canon. Han Solo was not a Force sensitive and hence cannot project himself as a ghost. Even if he was a somehow Force sensitive you can't just project yourself as a Force ghost. It was Leia who projected herself as Han and talked to Kylo
Phantom Menace and Attack of the CLones were great. Not as good as ROTJ but still great. Star Wars has always had bad dialogue. It's okay to live with it if the alternative is having no story.
IF anything the Clone Wars undermine the prequels. Revenge of the Sith is already powerful and heartbreaking as it is because we have two previous movies to build it up
The Rise of Skywalker feels like an essay that JJ procrastinated on until the midnight before the deadline, and was just pushed out so that he could have the _slightest_ chance of somehow passing the 4th grade.
Another issue is that they switched director back and forth like underwear. JJ did Lost and Fringe and was good at it. Yes both have their flaws, but it shows that the man isn't an idiot. If one person would've written and directed the trilogy, we might've gotten a conclusive, connected story arc over 3 movies.
As much as I like Kylo confronting Han, I always felt that Kylo's character should have meet Anakin at the end of his dark side journey. It makes sense as Anakin is canonically a force ghost, so he could appear before Kylo, but it also challenges everything Kylo has based his beliefs around. He believed that his grandfather was a powerful Sith who's mission to conquer the galaxy was left incomplete and he seeks to complete that goal. In reality, his grandfather was a Jedi who renounced the dark side and rose up to oppose a Sith lord and redeem himself whilst saving the galaxy and those he loves from a tyrannical dictator. So far Kylo has used Vaders name to murder his father, has faced his uncle in a stand off that lead to his uncle dying, and his battle with Rey may have been the cause of his mothers death (I'm just assuming because Leia dies when Kylo is stabbed). It would have been powerful to see him come face to face with the ghost of Anakin Skywalker merged with Darth Vader. Anakin isn't ashamed of his role as Vader, he did terrible things but used those terrible things as a way to do what he was always destined to do, strike down the Lord of the Sith. For Kylo to confront his idol, a man who redeemed himself and gave his life for his children and the people they loved, for Kylo to see him after having killed his parents and uncle, that would be a profound and tragic reality check. For Kylo to meet the man that he killed his father for and realise that it actually hurt his idol, that would break his perception of everything and show him that he was manipulated into following in the footsteps of Vader and would be a great way to set him on the path to redemption, the path Vader took that he was never told about. Plus it would give Hayden Christiansen another shot at redeeming himself in the role for many people by letting him appear in a film that doesn't have prequel dialogue and direction.
The fact that Anakin didn't bother to step in when Sidious was leading a member of his family down the same path he walked was ridiculous (he can make time for Rey, though)
This gives me flashbacks to another beloved franchise that the writers burned to the ground, and they snap at anyone who criticizes the smoldering remains, of which we can barely see because the lighting is god awful.
I haven’t watched any of the new trilogy so that was the first time I saw that scene and... really? REALLY? R E A L L Y? THAT’S WHAT THEY WENT WITH??????
The main issues that doomed the Disney trilogy: - no overarching concept, the whole thing was just made up as they go - 2 different directors who seemed to be wanting to outdo each other. - 1 of them reportedly didn't do his 'homework' on the franchise, rather than being more concerned with "subverting expectations" All of this made it all disconnected and seemingly shitting on everything the fans loved.
I think they did it intentionally as marvel fan service so that people who liked Endgame would say something like "oh that is what they said in endgame, cool!" But instead backfired horribly
That's what jar Jar Abrams does; he copies the work people more talented than him. JJ is a quote from Pablo Picasso that was brought to life and given a pair of hipster glasses and a nose that looks like a penis: "Good artists create, great artists steal."
The return of that “old guy” from the original trilogy, Wedge Antilles, was also a huge letdown. Wedge was the Poe Dameron of the Rebellion Era, the best pilot they had besides son of the chosen one Luke Skywalker. He survived the Battle of Yavin, was the first snow speeder to take down a walker in the battle of Hoth, and survived and dealt critical damage to Deathstar 2 at the battle of Endor... and now he’s just a gunner for Lando with a few seconds of screen time?? He should have flown in an old X-Wing like a badass and taught Poe and thing or two... the dynamic between those two ace pilots could have been epic.
@Heavy Metal Collector no shit! lol.. I was all stoked to see Lando finally in more Star Wars and after the trailers showing him every time I thought he was going to have a substantial role in the movie but I literally looked down to grab my soda and looked back up and he was suddenly onscreen I completely missed his introduction and had to ask my friend where the fuck he even came from.
WAIT waitwaitwaitwaitwaitwaitwait wait! Wait! That was supposed to be wedge? And all he got was a cameo? Not even an explanation as to why he wasn't fighting in the first place? What kind of fanservice is that?
They couldn't do that because he's old and white while Poe is young and Latino, therefore it would go against Disney's narrative. Im surprised they didnt make Wedge Antilles part of the Final Order instead.
Granted, I'm under 20, but Wedge was around that much in the originals? I only remember him at the start of 5 and maybe a little in 4. Lando was an actual main character starting in 5 so that's how I remember him.
@@CulturalMarxist4985 And now I ask myself : why? Why Hux hated Kylo so much that the idea of literally destroying the lifetime work of him and his father doesn't sound so bad? Why not just trying to undermine Kylo's leadership and usurp him? Why not just trying to get him killed? Hux is not supposed to be a total retard.......
@@DeadKraken Because he's selfish it's a consistency in SW for rulers to want to rule above the ones they obey. He's aware Kylo can easily kill him. Hux is not a force user. However if their supreme leaders see's Kylo as a failure for the time being Hux would take his place. Vader: *Kills younglings* Also Vader: "I hate sand" I wonder if people are aware that none of the Star Wars movies were perfect and they just have a stigma against Disney because they want to be more edgy. :[]
@@em30142 Oh, so you tell me that the best (they say)General of the First Order didn't have any other way of getting rid of Kylo Ren without compromising the whole organization? The same power-thirsty general that had literally killed his own father to gain an higher place in the Order and is so fervent about the Order's ideology that he's pretty much the face of the First Order for the rest of the Galaxy? Selling Kylo Ren's location to the Resistance. Undermine his position, and then usurp him. Sending a killer or literally have any blaster and the surprise factor. All more rational solution than "tear the whole organization down *while winning* to maybe get rid of the new Leader". I wonder if people are aware of the existence of good writing and don't just assume that others have stigmas towards something just because they point blatant bullshit. Also I've seen none of the OGs nor the Prequels, I grew up with Star Trek LMAO
LadyKraken one of my points when defending this movie is different peoples standards of writing. Star Wars never had perfect dialogue. Of course it’s all subjective but they’re known for that. As well as some inconsistencies like Luke and his relationship to his father and sister. So in your case I’d say this saga at least, wasn’t for you. As for Hux, again the people in the first order are selfish to the point of carelessness. It is really well done in the Vader Dark Visions comic book actually. Keeping in mind that it’s a fictional story and there’s lightsabers, they don’t try to make everything realistic? I might be using the wrong words here but it’s fantasy about the good side winning. With the bad side continually making mistakes. Due to fear, anger, selfishness. I’d say yes Hux wanted an army and to fight the resistance. However he is being belittled by Kylo. Especially after episode 8. The development with his character, he would rather see Kylo fail. If that means lose the war he probably doesn’t care. Kylo is an apprentice of a higher power. Like Vader. They are replaceable. In Star Wars, often are replaced.
The entirety of the MCU: Controlled by A Man who wants to honor who came before him by building a Live Action Comic Book Universe, ultimately culminating in a memorable batch of stories that will be remembered for millennia to come. The entirety of the Sequel Trilogy: A Trap controlled by a Company buying everything for the sole purpose of Nostalgia Baiting and hired a woman who has no knowledge of the 4 decades of films that came before. Ultimately resulting in a physical representation of the only thing they are interested in... Your Wallet.
Why do ya'll think Disney controlled the production of these movies exactly? Lucasfilm had full control there's never even been a single person who said Disney interfered in the series
At a one deep dark point in me i think 7-9 is just made for everyone who doesnt like 1-3 which are and always were freaking epic. Every part an absolute crazy finale...in between you always knew whats that all about...on the highest level of an star wars fan i am i would even go so far to say lowkey 1-3 > 4-6
As an actual Prequel hater, I agree... The sequel wasn't simply bad, it was just so much wasted potential and I think that's what hurts the most. At least the Prequels had a logical story.
georockstar09 the prequels had a perfectly planned story from the beginning their mistake was the bad dialogues and politics but they were still enjoyable and epic and emotional unlike the sequels
@@nerevarchthn6860 I wish they could have had a good story for the sequels :( Some of the new characters were great, there was so much they could have done with them, so much they could have explored. Now we'll never have that.
I agree that some of the problem with this movie was lack of character and plot building, but to me the ultimate problem was the lack of realism. It just doesn't make sense that Palpatine was able to build and man such a huge armada without anyone knowing. And it doesn't make sense how Chewie was able to rally the entire galaxy in just ~30 minutes, especially when in the last movie they couldn't get even a single ship to help them. It was just really really bad plot armor.
I believe you're not really talking about realism, but rather about consistency. Even if there is a reason why palpatine was able to build the fleet, why are destroyers able to carry planet destroying canons when previously you needed a moon sized based to power them? (and consistency aside, aren't planet exploding weapons boring at this point) point 2 is really what rubs me the wrong way: not only is it hard to buy as an audience, the quest to unite a new resistance could have sold the climax, and the foundation of that plot was laid perfectly by the previous movie (whatever its other flaws) and with the power difference between the resistance and first order, you didn't even need to waste screentime establishing the new fleet (or palpatine for that matter) to sell the urgency of rallying everyone to the cause. have the heroes liberate/ally with a planet or two in the beginning, seemingly lose a powerful asset (say Leïa and all her connections across the galaxy). then have the heroes go into battle as a desperate attempt to eliminate Kylo. but in memory of Leïa, all her allies have risen up and come in to save the day.
@@maximeteppe7627 Yes I agree with a lot of this. The two directors seemed to be having a petty war by attempting to change the direction of the plot in each movie. But yeah the third movie just had too many things that didn't make sense, esp with the fleet of star planet killers literally popping up out of the ground.
Excellent point - there is the suspension of disbelief for things that build a setting (the force is real, space ships, etc.). The the sheer idiocy of the plotlines - absolute garbage and absurdity.
“And it doesn’t make sense how Chewie was able to rally the entire galaxy in just ~30 minutes...” Not going to lie, I have a similar problem with Endgame’s Portal scene. How the hell did Strange manage to organize all of those people, most of whom probably had no reason to believe Thanos would return.
I mean rly the first 6 movies were a perfectly cohesive story with a conclusive ending. Anakin's life, fulfilling the prophecy, killing off the jedi and the sith, whose conflicts tore the galaxy for years. Thus bringing balance. Then the mouse comes alone and his sacrifice for Luke goes to the shitter. Also the man with the strongest connection to the force lost to Dooku and Obi Wan(on dark side steroids), but this new character can use lightning without killing a single youngling.
Th prequels weren’t good movies, but they told the story they wanted to tell. And they told it perfectly, the OT also told an interesting and exciting story. While the sequels made the same story again, and with that they shat all over the old films.
The prequels were meant to be supplemental to the original trilogy, to further explore the universe and to give further context. The sequels on the other hand try to piss on the original trilogy by "letting it die" while also trying to use them for a nostalgia factor, ultimately they disgrace the original trilogy (and the prequels by proxy). God worst thing is what there's a good amount of potential in these movies but it's just wasted so badly.
@@fabianstobbe3743 The prequels told their story perfectly, but they weren't good movies? Don't be afraid to like the prequels my man, George Lucas crafted them with love and care and it shows. Most of the arguments prequel haters use are easily debunked if you actually watch the entirety of the movies.
Lando killing that stormtrooper when Rey or even the others could’ve dispatched him quickly is a classic example of a lazy scene with no tension whatsoever.
Just the idea that one single stormtrooper might ever, _ever_ pose a threat to these assholes is beyond absurd at this point... stormies in the sequel trilogy are nothing but cannon fodder for our plucky heroes to dispose of casually all while spouting shitty oneliners and making sure the audiences know there is no danger at all. So essentially like TCW droids (and that is a show for kids). People may ridicule the stormtrooper aim from the OT all they like but there was an ever present sense of threat coming from them. Yes, they missed their shots but always _just_ barely and the characters never straight-out disrespected them. When the Endor squad design a plan to distract the four scouts guarding the door, you don't feel like they might as well just charge at them up-front and be finished without a scratch.
Also, why do the whole "Force teleport Rey's necklace across the universe so you can figure out what culture made it, so you can figure out what planet it came from, so you can find Rey" when the storm trooper who caught them can literally call in her location with his suit radio?
I still can't believe that the climax of the mainline Star Wars saga ended with a lame lightning power struggle battle that even DragonBall Z would've been embarrassed of.
@@Cre8Lounge Ep 7: Somehow the Empire is back even though the Republic was the major force left in the galaxy after the OG trilogy ended, somehow a woman who's never piloted a space-worthy ship can pull out pro gamer moves with the Falcon, somehow the Force is a legend after only 30 years, somehow a fuckin cleaning trooper knows the weak spot of a planet-sized weapon no one knew about(I could go on and on). Fans: OMG I LUV IT YEEEEEEE Ep 9- Somehow Palpatine is alive. Fans: Oh hell naw that's bullshit!!111!!!!
I felt the exact same way when Rey "killed" Chewie, that shit blew my mind for the 2 minutes it lasted, it would have added such a great major flaw to this otherwise way too perfect nice character. she would beat herself up over it, try to make up for it and redeem herself, maybe even lose respect from her friends until another movie or something. that would not have saved the saga but it would have risked something and made it worth watching somewhat
Same. The way Rey screamed Chewy when she thought she killed him still gives me chills. When they brought him back I was legit upset, like I felt true emotion seeing a character I loved growing up die just to see he didnt, to make the audience go through that for what reason, what do they gain having done that. just a bad move in general.
I just want to say, I watched this movie two times over two days, and I never even noticed that Kylo fought his own Knights. I was so bored by the end both times, I didn't notice a moment that they thought would mean something. I DIDNT EVEN REALISE THEY WERE IN THE MOVIE UNTIL THIS VIDEO
I had the exact same experience. It’s a bit weird to think that we’re currently going through some sort of Cultural Dark Ages in this way. This conclusion was so lame that it wasn’t even impressively poor. It was so underwhelming that ‘character’ (lack thereof) moments happened without any element of risk or drama. I vaguely remember accepting the events in that final scene and seeing people step out of the shadows... I was so beaten into mind numbingly bored boredom that I just started to accept the moving shapes that were being presented as that was the quickest way out of the theatre.
Part of the issue is that they don't do anything up to that point. Like, they captured Chewie off-screen basically, were shown posing, and were probably seen together with Kylo once. There was at no point anything that demonstrated those characters were capable of anything. In all fairness; the same was true of the royal guard, but then they literally existed to empathized to show how important the Emperor was. Kylo was alone for most of his scenes.
Three ways you could've made a better sequel trilogy: #1. Have a plan - while it's fine in principle to encourage diverse artistic talents to bring their own creative energy and angles to a Star Wars picture, you still need to ground those sometimes reckless impulses within a well-constructed and thorough narrative structure. It's pretty clear JJ abhors being pinned down in this way but it would've saved a lot of time, money and reputational trauma. #2. Get the lead casting right - Daisy Ridley recently expressed surprise that her work in these films hasn't led to any other big offers. I can clear it up for her: it's because you can't act, Daisy. Fundamentally there's nothing wrong with the character of Rey as a central protagonist, at least as far as she's established in TFA. The big problem (aside from her development, which I'll get to) is the actress chosen to play her is so unbelievably badly cast, and posseses a screen presence that compares poorly with some of the background matte paintings from the original trilogy. With her Sloane Square accent, flawless, plump alabaster skin (despite 20 years spent scavenging in a desert wasteland) and soft physique, Daisy Ridley's Rey is every inch the pampered, privately educated English stage-school baby, and about as far from the tough, resourceful and resolute survivor we're clearly meant to take her for as it's possible to imagine. Adam Driver fares a little better (being a better actor generally), but his melodramaticly villainous Kylo Ren comes off mostly as a moody Millennial with impulse-control issues, and his attempts to inject emotional substance into the role are hampered by an apparent limit of only two or three facial expressions. #3. Develop interesting characters and allow them to grow - although the Star Wars saga always took place against a cosmically huge narrative of intergalactic warfare, what made it work was not the vast spectacle but the way this broad canvas was merely the colourful backdrop for some intimately observed character studies. Even the prequels, despite their corny dialogue and notoriously terrible acting, depicted the rise and fall of Anakin Skywalker with a surprising amount of depth. By casually trashing much of the earlier films' established tropes and presenting a 2-dimensional stereotype of a idealistic, pure and noble heroine who's naturally the greatest ever at everything she attempts, Rey is robbed of the rousing journey toward proficiency in force manipulation and personal enlightenment that we as an audience might reasonably expect, and her ability to overcome obstacles instantly and easily erases any sense of drama or suspense. After a while you realise nothing bad will ever happen to her, and everyone will always flock to her aid, because she's just so great, I guess. Both Luke and Anakin in their respective trilogies had to overcome multiple failures, defeats, even mutilation by light saber, and both struggled against the lure of the dark side (one unsuccessfully). Rey experiences no such struggles, and thus remains the exact same uncomplicated paragon in the last picture as in the first. Thus it's much harder to become invested in her, and her eventual, inevitable victory over her opposition lacks any kind of resonance. This an utter failure of narrative storytelling, and feels like an almost deliberate expression of contempt for the source material and its conventions, one in keeping with the lack of respect shown the original property by the Mouse House through all its now myriad exploitations of the Lucas IP. Disney, if you're still watching, maybe think some of this over next time. Just a suggestion.
You're so right about Daisy god. The girl comes from a privileged well-off white family but acts like she's being treated unfairly. Idk how tf she got any jobs in this industry or graduated from acting school. She has the acting ability of a plank of wood. You'd think a character like Rey would be tanned or something, considering she's lived in the scorching desert ALL HER LIFE. And you're so right about Driver's performance as well! "His attempts to inject emotional substance into the role are hampered by an apparent limit of only two or three facial expressions." Even when mans was sad, he barely moved his face. Boyega and Isaac are excellent actors and should've had bigger roles than Rey.
Daisy and Adam are actually both very good actors you should maybe try other movies with them, especially "Marriage Story" with Adam Driver and the Scarlett Johansen is awesome.
Here’s a fundamental difference between the two Portals scenes: in Rise, the cavalry arrives just after Poe gives up, in the moment when he essentially stops being a hero; in Endgame, the cavalry arrives as Cap is fully determined to face Thanos’ army alone with a broken shield. Imagine how hollow the Endgame Portals scene would feel if the portals opened just after Cap fell to his knees, or let his shield fall to the ground. But he never does. So Cap deserves the cavalry; Poe does not.
One of the funny things I noticed about this trilogy is that they never really specify time in this saga. I deadass think this trilogy happened in a weekend. Rey and Kylo fought in the first movie on a Friday, the First Order demolished the Resistance on Saturday and Rey kills Palpatine on Sunday haha
I cared so little for this film after I finished it that I even forgot how it was called. I had to Google it to find out how it was called again lol, hence why I'm here. It was a fun film honestly, a flawed film but fun. Except, I absolutely couldnt give a damn about the new characters. THis and episode 8 feel like a fever dream to me honestly
@@le_meme_man8983 Wait TFA and TLJ happened in less than a week? So the First Order almost completely wiped out the Resistance in less than 6 days? That seems way too fast.
@@SnakeSound222 it is actually true. TFA happens in like 2 days, TLJ starts literally a second after the ending of TFA, then Rey trained for 2 or 3 days, killed snoke and his guards. Blah blah blah
What ruined this movie for me is the fact that it was pure fan service. Everything was a check in the box cameo that did nothing to build upon the story that was happening around them. I really wish that they hadn't built this sequel trilogy as the conclusion to the original Star Wars trilogy. That story was done, it was fine the way it was. What they should have done was make a new story that expanded the universe with completely new ideas. But why invest in characters or engaging story telling when you can make billions on nostalgia alone?
@@kingofthings7929 kinda yeah but it's also due to Studios listening to fans in a wrong way they think when they solve that major problems fans will love it instantly but they forget that it still need a good direction and good storytelling but yeah fans are annoying too
It also doesn’t help that this whole movie feels like a rushed reaction to deal with what people didn’t like with last Jedi. Effectively retconning most of that film, thus leaving this trilogy with effectively no cohesion.
To be fair, The Last Jedi felt like it already shattered any semblance of cohesion due to its SuBvErSiOn of all of The Force Awakens. I’m of the opinion that The Last Jedi was an okay movie, but it’s a story that doesn’t fit with the rest of the earlier movies. A movie introducing more grey morality would’ve been cool AFTER concluding our journey with the original trilogy’s characters. I’m of the opinion that The Rise of Skywalker is trash tho lol
@Robo Actually, Rian Johnson handles the buildup of Luke from Episode 7 (along with everything else) beautifully, couldn't have done it better, and if anyone spends even 10 seconds thinking about it it's really the only way it could've gone that would've made sense from what Ep. 7 established.
immortalfrieza What? So the questions like "Whos Snoke?" "Oh uhh Idk but he's dead now lol" "Who are the Knights of Ren?" "Who?" "Whys Luke abandoned everything but left a map to where he is?" "Oh uh it's because he tried to murder his own nephew in his sleep because that's TOTALLY something he would do, and he's only there to die so I guess he made the map for no reason lol" "Why is Rey so powerful with the force? And why is Lukes lightsaber calling out to her? Does she have some connection with him?" "Uhh well she's that powerful for no reason, her parents are nobodies! She isn't tied to Luke in anyway! Did I subvert your expectations? DID I!?"
J J Abrams made The force awaken and rise of skywalker and rian Johnson and Kathleen Kennedy made the last jedi to destroy J J abrams storyline. If JJ Abrams make the last jedi anything be great Star Wars movies all 3. Blame on Kathleen Kennedy because she hate Star Wars and want to destroy it.
For me it‘s the weakest movie. It‘s the first Star Wars movie where I just didn’t care and was even bored. It was empty. I really don’t want to go full on hate but I don’t like this movie. Nice for people who enjoyed it.
Öntas Bülent The Knights of Ren were my biggest disappointment. I thought The Force Awakens was a lazy remake but it at least introduced some interesting things (which were all thrown out the window by Rian Johnson) such as the Knights. They literally were in Episode 9 as eye candy. I was hoping at least one of them would've been shown to be nearly as powerful or as interesting as Kylo so they would have an interesting showdown when Kylo turns good but no...just...more walking. They weren't even formidable foes against Kylo
@@mrrevan813 Welcome to how I feel about Finn all throughout these movies. A Stormtrooper with an actual soul sounds interesting, but as the films went on, he became a non-chararcter. It's to the point where, in this movie, all he does is just scream *"REEEEEEEEYYYYYY!!"*
JJ Abrams succeeded his ultimate goal: To unite the fandom The Last Jedi polarized. And he did it through a movie everybody disliked. The power of meh for this movie proved stronger than the love or hate for TLJ
I may not have agreed with the choices Rian Johnson made in the Last Jedi but at least movie made sense and was well made from a technical standpoint. Rise of Skywalker was a pile of shit at every aspect. Horrible writing, horrible pacing, bad acting,
At least Rian Johnson tried to do something interesting and actually punished his characters for their decisions. If JJ had written that script, Luke would have lived, somehow made it to the final battle, and stopped Ren from killing Han because he is incapable of letting his characters live with the consequences of their decisions.
@@karimzakaria9621 ... no. The Last Jedi doesn't make any sense. The characters act only as the plot demands. They virtually all lack motivation of their own. It's also garbage from a technical standpoint due to the fact that the movie is structured extremely poorly. The pacing is particularly painful.
9:50. And they introduce the Knights of Ren by showing that two random storm troopers feel free to insult them in a small corridor before they even finish walking past - not very intimidating.
@@AvoidTheCadaver In the Expanded Universe, Han was the one to survive, while Chewie died on the explosion of a planet, sacrificing himself in order to save Han and the remaining people there
@@AvoidTheCadaver Wasn't that the species of another galaxy that attempted to conquer the one we know, and were such a powerful enemy, that the New Republic had to make a truce with the Empire Remnants in order to even have a chance to win?
When Palpatine said: I am- I was like “are they actually copying Endgame” and I thought he was going to say Inevitable. And in that moment I knew Rey was gonna say something like Iron man said. It was really predictable. And when all the ships arrived looked like the Portals scene.
Black order- Scary violent minions of thanos who’s goal is to find the infinity stones they are useful often are the core of the fight scenes. Intimidating and are there for the entire movie as key characters. Knights of ren- briefly mentioned in 7 then randomly brought back to stand in the background of some scenes and get killed by their own boss.
Endgame: We've been building up Thanos for years now, always having him illustrate the events and now he gets to shine. RoS: uhhh well we killed the main villain in the second movie so here's palpatine
I mostly agree but I never really cared about snoke or considered him the main villain. Imo kylo was the only villain that really mattered and snoke was just a plot device to push kylo.
@@nathanslay6342 in endgame thanos is devastated that all of what he has done is now in vain because life in the universe is so shortsighted that they couldn’t see the bigger picture and instead of being grateful they spit on his sacrifices and undo all his life’s work. Thanos gives up on life because even on Titan they called him a madmen and his prediction came to pass but even after he helped the universe escape from that prediction they still called him a madman so now thanos who is motivated by vengeance decides to make a universe in his image a grateful universe teeming with life but first he decides to get rid of the unruly wretches who foiled his plan once in the first avengers so that they don’t foil his plan again. He even says that he will take personal pleasure in getting rid of them. Endgame makes thanos more human than any villain in cinema just like infinity war. Think about it what would you do if your life’s work is undone and spit on by people who have done it once before without being not even an ounce grateful.
There was SO MUCH JEBAIT in this movie. "Rey is going to be Sith, sike no she won't" "Oh no, the Wookie died! SIKE, other ship" "Oh no, C3PO gets memory wiped, aaaand it is back again" "Rey is not a prodigy, she is a nobody ... BUT ACTUALLY....." "PALPATINE FUCKS, NO IT IS A CLONE" *"OH ALL THE ACTUAL GOOD PARTS FROM THE LAST MOVIE? LET'S IGNORE IT"*
both of them aren't Canon. Star Wars ends with Return of the Jedi and stop. No more Sith, balance in the Force, no more empire. Everything else is "fanmade"
The whole Endgame copy-paste thing made me remember how GTA: San Andreas became cool and suddenly we were knee-deep in video games with black gangs in them.
The thing that confused me most is the fact that Palpatine Instagram Live Streamed his location to the Galaxy when he could’ve just force linked to Rey like he did with Kylo. He literally gives the entire galaxy a free UAV on his camping spot and gets killed in the most pitiful scene I’ve seen in cinema
He easily could’ve just gone straight to campaigning across the galaxy but instead was just like “here’s my location boys come kill me” it was so underwhelming
"I am Iron Man." *SNAPS" That brought me to tears. I haven't cried that much in a movie since Sam carried Frodo to the top of Mount Doom. "I am a Jedi." ✖️
She actually said “I am all Jedi”. In response to “I am all sitch.” So it wasn’t a call back to Luke’s line. It was an ape of Marvel’s “I am inevitable.” “I am Ironman”
I never realised these "Knights of Ren" were supposed to be anything special they were like the red useless guys in the others films for me. And until you said it in the video I didnt even realise that he was fighing them at the end I thought there guys were just some generic guards of palp. oO
I can only guess that they were trying to treat them like Boba Fett. Though, they seem to think Boba Fett was cool and mysterious because he hardly shows up.
Lol Also is it bad that I enjoyed and smiled when Filmento played the endgame theme play when the ships show up? Man that song really can fit with anything and make it seem grand
10,000 ships they each has a planet killing weapon but has one giant flaw that has been a reoccurring flaw that no one has tried to change/prevent vs a medium sized armada of old ships
They should've let Captain James T. Kirk, Green Lantern & Carol Danvers deal with them. Captain James T. Kirk: "I take it that the odds are against us and that things are grim?" Captain Jean-Luc Picard: "You could say that." Captain Kirk: "Sounds like fun." -- Star Trek: Generations.
The problem with that is it's seemed like Disney said: look remember return of the Jedi when the Empire had all there fleet over Endor copy paste and a have the supposed best pilots in the Resistence fell defeated and oh wait here's Lando" like wtf
This. Pisses me off. So. Damn. Much. Force abilities are not genetic. Luke needed to be trained and he lost to Darth Vader. It also has no consequence. If she actually used the lightning to destroy Sidious it would make some sense. Using her latent ability to destroy the one who gave it to her. Fiction. Because calling it fanfiction implies a fan wrote it
The funny thing is, this is basically just the extreme of the logic people used that force powers were genetic. It was the big "proof" her parents had to be somebody after TFA. And its made canon now
@@brianbrush5107 It was just grasping at straws. I just wanted an explanation for why she was strong in the Force. If you're gonna go the way of genetics then it needs to make sense. If she's nobody then you need to offer an explanation as to what makes her so special. They did both and half assed both
@@alphabetaed3007 She had strong force potential cause...high midichlorian count. The reason she can do the force stuff is because she heard the stories of luke and the Jedi
I'll never forgive the sequels for the wasted potential of it all. Sure Force Awakens wasn't the strongest, but it was a great jumping off point. And jeeeesus, did they waste Finn, the one character with a truly unique backstory and viewpoint to give the story. They made such a big deal of Rey not knowing her last name and I'm like "Uhmm...you know who ELSE doesn't know his last name? Or his real name or who his parents are? Who was taken as a child and indoctrinated? What's he feeling? Does he feel anything when he has to kill stormtroopers? What...who...what is this? Are there any stormtroopers who look up to him, and hope they can escape? Could he become a rallying point for dissent in the ranks?? You're just gonna have him yell REYYYY and obvious shit?" There was SO MUCH they could've explored with him and how the whole military industrial complex of the First Order actually functions. And...nope. * pulls hair out *
Force Awakens was more or less a carbon copy of A New Hope, except for Fin. He was the one character I held out hope for, but they relegated him to a sideshow with shitty one-liners and retarded "romance" plots. Very good point about his parentage too, the films are unashamedly focused on how upset Rey is that she doesn't know her parents, but Fin was kidnapped and indoctrinated from childhood to be a killer. I wonder who got the worse deal? They never even attempted to explore how Fin resisted the indoctrination and tuned out good. I guess he just "did".
Bluestem that shit pissed me off. Everytime he was on screen I was really hyped for ACTUAL character progression and.... RERREEEEEEEEEYUUY. That’s all god damn it and it SUCKED
Finn deserves to have better writers and a good plan on where his arc would go. It felt like Force Awakens was his prologue, but after that, he was just there.
10:00 showcases the whole problem with the whole sequel trilogy: Nothing anyone does carries any meaning as long as Rey is somewhere in the general vicinity because she could simply have done it faster and easier. The core problem is that there is simply nothing that is in any way meaningful. Not even people dying has any meaning. Chewie dies, whoops, no, he's ok. We get arrested, whoops, no, we're free. We sink in quicksand, whoops, no, it just takes us to the next chapter. There isn't anything at stake in this movie.
I feel like the film should’ve been the “heroes” trying to stop Palpatine from returning. As in the film that was ‘missing’. Edit: why did I feel more emotion in that three second clip of portals over the battle than I did during that bit in the entire film 😔
With the return of Palpatine, they basically uproot Anakin Skywalker's story completely out of the ground. He is the one who killed Palpetine (the entire point of the boy's conception), so seeing him ANYWHERE in the Sequel Trilogy makes this feel like a fan fiction. As much as I like fan fiction, I do not like calling this the Skywalker Saga; because this story was concluded over FORTY YEARS AGO!
but there was no reason to bring back Palpatine what's so ever, all this movie does is pisses on Skywalker saga, it makes Darth's noble act, mean nothing, fuck Disney Star wars and fuck these movies.
Poe was supposed to die in the first film & Han was gonna live to reunite with Leia but the script was reworked and flipped multiple times to be the opposite result we got in Episode 7. I think by Episode 8's conclusion Issac was hoping for something drastic to happen to Poe in the story (what little could be legitimized) and he lost total interest by Episode 9. Isaac and other cast members seemed like they phoned it in as evident in the group's collective reaction about their wordless thoughts regarding the final act of the Disney trilogy (all of them had WTF expressions). Edit: th-cam.com/video/YOvbyfO3tsI/w-d-xo.html
"It's not my fault, they said they fixed it." ~ Han Solo "It's not my fault, they said they fixed it." ~ Lando Calrissean "It's not my fault, they said they fixed it." ~ Filmento Nice.
Can you even imagine growing up with THIS generation of Star Wars movies? The young people who did must wonder how Star Wars became so popular in the first place. Also imagine not having seen the other Star Wars trilogies and you see this for the first time; You'd have LITERALLY no idea who Palpatine is or where he's back from. I watched this movie for the first time about two weeks ago, and I almost turned it off while reading the intro creep text. It's just so... out-of-nowhere-for-no-reason-ish.
The OT and the prequels did a better job establishing Palpatine as the bad guy: The OT showed him as the true master behind the empire with Vader basically just his disc one boss that isn't pure evil. It also shows only late what the emperor is really capable of. And the prequels show his slow rise to power, his manipulative side. How he gains that more influence with wide acceptance of the people, only to not let go afterwards.
My problem is that they didn’t conclude anything in this conclusion just reset everything to pre-post Yavin minus the OT characters. There weren’t any first order ships at the final battle meaning they are still at full strength with a stranglehold on the galaxy while the rebels/resistance are licking their wounds and short on troops from fighting the final order. This trilogy didn’t accomplish anything nor did it do anything to push the franchise forward. This was major waste of half a decade that took small steps when it needed giant leaps.
it's funny isn't it? This entire trilogy sums up Disney's SW ability, it finishes where RotJ finishes, just a number of years later. Entirely pointless.
@@asmahasmalaria8596 They definitly didn't make nearly as much as they wanted to and just think about the value SW lost in these few years. I mean no one would ever pay 4 billion for Star Wars in its current state.
"Sith Powers" aren’t working like That. Those are ability’s you need to learn and you need to walk the path of the dark side for that, it doesn’t come out of your hands like that to show you’re a Palpatine.
@@harlannguyen4048 I don't think so. I haven't read much on the expanded universe but i did buy one of the books. It was following them defeating jacen and Luke was gonig to visit some random aliens who instead of having dark/light force powers had a spectum of colours. They mention during that that Luke knows force lightning and it's not really dark side aligned, just that Palpatine knew it. It stands to reason to be honest. Like telekinesis and the capacity to sense emotions being used by both sides it seems like whether the Force is light or dark is more determined by the user and the intent behind the action than the technique itself. That's not to say some abilities might be inherently corrupting though purely by the nature of the ability.
@@LinkMarioSamus I don't blame J.J for this, he has made great movies in the past. Blame Disney and Kennedy. It is said they changed the movie dozens of times, until a few weeks before it was released. J.J tried too hard to not offend the fans like episode 8 did, and almost succeeded. There was no storyboard of the trilogy, everything is inconsistent. You can't blame J.J for trying to iron some of the problems out.
Yeah, I was kinda let down with the later reveal. I mean, they could have gone with the "passing of the torch" motif especially with Peter Mayhew's passing.
If chewie had died right there. In that moment. Honesty I would've liked this movie a little more. But nope, JJ was like nah he ain't dead. Look he's alive.
Michel De Bruyn and that’s the point. We knew how it would end, we knew Thanos would win, but that didn’t matter. The film still subverted my (our) expectations on how we got to the final destination. You don’t need to have an unexpected ending to subvert the expectations of the crowd.
@@Carabas72 infinity war: how to make a depressing story about failure fun and satisfying and heartfelt. Thanos is not just evil for being evil (which is problem for a number of villains (not all)); he reacts to events with true emotion. The heroes actually nearly win and almost convinces us that they will win...twice. They only lose because they refuse to make certain sacrifices of each other, noble yet irrational. They shocked us with Gamora's near death and Gamora's actual death. I saw the snap coming and yet I was speechless, I did not expect Disney to pull of something like that. Yes I expected loss ending, but I did not expect such an emotionally breaking ending. In a way it has an unsatisfying story: Heroes get beaten and lose the stones and the villain overcomes them and wipes out half the galaxy, the end. And yet...I am satisfied and I still want more, not because I felt ripped off, but because I genuinely feel invested and desperate to know what happens next, how do they recover. The exact opposite to TLJ I could go on and compare this all to TLj but that would another 800 words :'D As someone else said, it's practically Empire of the 2010s. "It's TLJ with balls" (And knows when and where to put comedy in a film)
MCU fans: **celebrating about how they will get many more years of great films** Star Wars fans watching Mickey Mouse smash it’s head into the dirt: ‘ *STOP, STOP HE’S ALREADY DEAD* ‘
The difference I believe between the two is that marvel has Kevin feige as a central vision and driving force and until just now when they handed the reigns completely over to filoni Star Wars hasn’t had that they’ve had no unifying vision at all
@@michaelmayo2489 kevin feige is a nerd While Kathleen Kenedy is not, shes only a feminist, she and those 2 sequel directors probably never watch one of the films that Lucas created
If you keep in mind that a certain Star Wars Legends author got _death threats_ for killing off Chewie, it makes sense that Disney decided to keep him.
That scene never made sense. So Palpatine can disable an entire fleet, but can't overthrow a girl with two lightsabers? Mace Windu did the same move, but Palpatine was just playing him.
The problem is: there's no story, everyrhing is made so that could be and end. I was watching the movie and asking myself: WTF is going on? They took the advice: show don't tell, wrongly. They showed a bunch of stuff but fail at telling a story PS: I have to say, I loved Rey and Kylo fight, imagine that scene in the force awakens... The cliff hang for a good ep 8
@Ember Strike I think the title more referred to the legacy of the Skywalkers, but even that idea was barely entertained by the film. Honestly, that's when the title of the movie was announced I thought it was going to be an exploration of the Skywalker family line and its legacy, which would make sense since the previous film ended with Kylo Ren seemingly starting to come into his own as a supervillain. But no, that would be too intelligent! 9 billion-dollar movies last year, and only like, at most four are all that good. Stuff like this makes me apathetic towards the coronavirus's effect on Hollywood.
i hated the fight in episode 7 it make Rey far to powerful, basically made her Mary Sue at that moment, i actually liked episode 7 until that final act, it was bullshit how the fuck was she so good all of sudden, she never held or used light saber in her life, its also same bs she was able to fly falcon with ease, total bullshit again.... Rey is not good character, if Fin was focus it would been better series, Kylo was treated better he could came out as interesting complex villain
To be fair to the final scene, having Palpatine electrifying the ships did a good job at unifying the plots and making Rey and Kylo's job to prevent him more important, however I do agree with all the points and that as a star wars film it kind of ruined the whole universe
It's not my fault. Here's proof.
Jabba the huttfather
How's it ur fault? Were they mentioned ur name?
It's Moviemento's fault.
The fact they did the same stuff you said in the last SW video is like an insult to your film criticism. Personally, you're not as wrong as comments say you are. The movie did it poorly and the only thing people would be remembering from this movie is the Nostalgia of it, which shouldn't be the only good thing of a Star Wars movie.
it's not your fault, it's already broken from the beginning
"No lead-up, no build-up, no set-up, no kind of 'up' whatsoever."
Wrong, it was a major fuck-up.
Nice
ha
😂😂
You win “best comment” today.
Amen.
“Don’t be afraid of who your are.” Proceeds to take the Skywalker name.
this!
Exactly! I thought the same thing.
Bruh, That's literally identity theft. Someone should SUE this Mary Sue.
@@Echotistical that name is.....
*ironic...*
Taht pissed me off so much, hey let's just negate the entire lesson we're trying to teach by being hypocrites .
"your parents were nobodies. they sold you for drinking money."
"oh also you're the granddaughter of the most powerful individual in the galaxy."
Pick one, Disney.
Oh, and Rey even though your original motivation was to find out who you are and where you came from, let ignore that for like 2 movies, then have a ancient space wizard that was killed by being thrown down a near bottomless pit on an exploding super-weapon which fell from space and crashed into one of Endor’s moons as a fiery wreck 40yrs ago but is still alive because reasons, vaguely hint that you’re his granddaughter without telling you diddly-squat about ever having a son or daughter to be your mom or dad, just for you to absently accept what the galaxy’s greatest manipulator tells you without even the Will of The Force as proof as just fact, only for none of it to matter because you want to identify as a Skywalker now having about as much of a connection to their name as you did Palpatine’s, and before you steal the Skywalker identity for yourself be sure to randomly kiss your probably-not-cousin? on the mouth to give his dying body one last thrill before Ben angst himself back to life in time for the next trilogy so we can milk this franchise all over again!
it's the old "certain point of view" schtick...
This was JJ giving Rian the middle finger. Which he does a few times in the movie. Amusing, but a good movie it does not make.
"We're going to use multiple directors to tell a contigious story, but also give every one complete creative freedom with no guidelines."
Well everyone got so mad i cant blame them for backtracking
even Disney doesn’t know how Palpatine returned so they literally just had Poe say
“SOMEHOW Palpatine has returned”
It’s insultingly stupid writing. The actor looks ashamed that he had to utter those dreadful lines.
Palpatine, "Fools, I gained ANIME POWERS!"
Poe, "My god... HE'S UNSTOPPABLE NOW!!"
XD
@@Alondro77 he learned the power of friendship
Kylo ren was like: Hello there. Palpatine was resurrected and was like: General Kenobi
He could have said : The plot required palpatine to return.
During the movie, when Kylo Ren climbed out of the hole and stood up, I turned to my friend and said “oh that’s why it’s called Rise of Skywalker” and she burst out laughing.
i think it's cause Kylo had a u know what when they kissed
Thanks for the giggles lol
The Skywalker Rises. *ding*
"Roll credits"
@Sebastian Thor Other way around, I kept stealing her popcorn
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The Children of Thanos were way more memorable than the Knights of Ren
Damn. That's true.
And the Children of Thanos are basically generic disposable goons
TheUsuallySilentOne I agree
Miguel Pereira Besides Maw
@@miguelpereira9859
How sad is that though that said "disposable goons are more memorable than the Knights of Ren?
I see a great irony how 'Star Wars'; the franchise that inspired most, if not all, blockbuster franchises today; ended as a clone to one of those franchises.
lived long enough to see it become the villain i suppose
We learned the tragedy of Darth Plagueis the wise live
Ironic.
The last good Star Wars movie came out in 83 🤷♀️
It was James Bond that started it. All Star Wars did was turning the film industry into a toy factory.
Don’t really agree with bringing back Palpatine because I feel like it ruins Anakins sacrifice.
I mean, they copied that plot line from legends. They did so very badly, but they copied it nonetheless
@@anna-flora999 yeh and that’s probably one of my least favourite legends storylines
I remember hearing about that and thinking: "Ha, that's so stupid, glad that won't be in the new films."
It's all about Anakin...
@@runningcommentary2125 lol SAME. When they said they weren't following legends, one of my first thoughts was "Oh great. Now I don't have to deal with that stupid Palpatine returned nonsense!" Oh how naïve I was.
This movie just makes the end of Return of The Jedi pointless:
-Palpatine was still alive
-The Empire wasn't defeated
-New Republic was a failure
-Now there are thousands of planet destroying weapons so destroying the 2nd Death Star was like killing another stormtrooper.
-Anakin didn't bring balance to the force Rey was the real chosen one
-The jedi didn't return.
Yeah. Pretty much.
Hell all the other planet destroying weapons were stationary. These ones were mobile and had some crazy force field.
So even having a death star in the first place has become obsolete.
In my mind canon the new trilogy is just shitty fanfic.
BuT pAlpAtinE wAs a Cl0n3 tHouGh!!!!111!!
Yeah that's why it's a sequel.
Hold on this movie DIDN'T shit on "The empire wasn't defeated" alone ... all 3 films took a big dump at that, and i think the one that deserves the blame the most is TFA because it just starts with a new empire that already took over most of the galaxy again. But to this movie's "credit" they did that stupid overcomplicated explanation about how Palpatine while still being the ruler of the galaxy, played dead, made the First Order to be his new empire, but whitout telling anyone he was there but replaced the public figure of the leader with Snoke who was controlled by him, fine don't reveal yourself, then Kylo kills Snoke and takes over the FO to the point that Palpatine has to bargain with him, then after Kylo couldn't kill Rey, Palps just replaces him with Pryde as the new leader and everyone in the FO accepts it without consequences, not to mention Pryde even says the emperor always had allies... why bother with the secrets and snoke and all that if he created the damn thing and also all the people in it would have followed his commands... again!... this movie is stupid.
So palpatine was noobmaster69 the whole time!? Now that’s subverting my expectations
Can people shut up about noobmaster69 he’s a gamer in a fictional universe who was threatened by the god of thunder
@@axelnilsson5124 online bullying is a serious problem in New Asgard
Khaled Zaidan only if the new Asgard player is friends with the king
@@axelnilsson5124 Lol, ever heard of something called a joke?
The Plastic Metalhead Shitposter I have but it’s not very funny
Imagine if Luke learned Vader was his father from some random storm trooper
Maybe someone with an actual connection with Luke,like idk,Mara Jade?
*Luke sneaks around cloud city nearby stormtroopers while Vader walks by.*
*Stoemtrooper:* Luke Skywalker's father.
*Luke:* No..no that's impossible!!!
*Stormtrooper:* I think that guy should search his feelings.he knows it's true.
*Luke:* NOOOOOO!!!
Or better yet, that three tiddied alien told him while he was milking her.
“THATS NOT *SssSh* NOT TRUE! *SQUIRRT* THATS IMPOSSIBLE” *SSSHSS SQUIRT*
Sequel trilogy logic in a nutshell
imagine if Obi Wan would have just told him everything in his house, in: Ep. 4, A New Hope
"Oh Luke, Btw The right hand of the Imperator is your father, He is a massmurderer and a Sithlord, he looks that robotic, because i cut off his limbs and let him burn alive on a lavaplanet,. He was like a brother for me once, before he killed all Jedi ... and this women in that Hologram is Princess Leia from Alderan, she is your Sister" "And now you will have to face the whole empire and blow up their deathstar"
oscar Isaac died inside on the delivery of "somehow palpatine has returned"
He couldn't believe it himself 😂
Reminds me of an interview where he said "I should have just let them kill me" lmao
@@samanthablack7990 also when he said he would only return to star wars to get another house
Inside his mind:
EVERYDAY I WAKE UP
THEN I START TO CRINGE UP
LONELY AS AN ACTOR WITH A BAD LINE
EVERYDAY I START OUT
DESTROY LUCAS' ART OUT
ONE BY ONE, END OF STAR WARS LOOOOOOOOVE
I honestly feel bad for the entire cast. I'm glad Oscar's been doing a lot of work on other big projects out there.
I even feel sorry for Daisy Riddley, because she seems really nice ... but she just doesn't work as an actress for me. Her strength is that she has "leading lady" looks, but even in that movie with Tom Holland, she just feels so stiff and blank. (I mean hey, I'm bad at emoting, too, but that's also why I'm not a professional entertainer.) I still wish her luck and success in her future endeavors, whatever they may be.
It feels like everyone’s trying to have their own giant Endgame moment without the build up or well established characters
That’s JJ Abrams for you. He has absolutely no creativity. He just sees something original and that people like, so he blatantly rips it off and puts it into his own shitty movie.
yeah but Endgames "moment" was a SJW shit show. horribly done, not all that memorable, and just...just no.....and they cheated the audience out of the Hulk/Thanos rematch.....what the hell!?!?!?
@@justindearmond1 that was just a missed opportunity, that is all
Also endgame did waste its climax
@@justindearmond1 So because of a 10 second shot where some women stand together, that makes the entire 3rd act an SJW mess? The culmination of 22 movies and 10 years of filmmaking, a completely unprecedented cinematic event? Fucking come on dude. Just say you hate/are afraid of women and that you know nothing about film and move on.
Intimidator 305 is the best Giga coaster [••] Endgame wasn’t well established either
Disney’s so bad at stealing stuff, even from themselves.
Lmao ..
They stole Ghidorah's lightning scene
@@SakurakoLover I never noticed but now I see that it's true
Dude, Disney steal stuff since the 30's!
marça F... Disney for Real tho
Sequel Trilogy: "Look how old you've gotten."
The Original Trilogy: "Something far worse has happened to you."
Sequel Trilogy: You're so right
*slashes Original Trilogy's head from 5 different camera angles*
@@DeadKraken
Prequels teleport behind the Sequel Trilogy and whispering in its ears: *Hello there*
Before the Sequel trilogy gets torn apart in a powerful, fast and swift strike
*silence*
The Prequels stand over the dead body of the OG Trilogy, kneeling. Holding the lifeless body in its arms and tears running down the cheek
"Im sorry, old friend. I failed, I failed...you"
They burst out in crying as the screen fades to black :´(
SC38 reimagined appears out of the darkness and revives the originals
@@tramachi7027 Bootiful 😪👌
@Off The wall prequel trilogy has become more powerful than any off the trilogy s plus you gotta admit the lightsaber battles are epic in prequel trilogy there's not a single good lightsaber fight in the whole sequel trilogy seriously.
Imagine if Endgame just started with "Somehow, Thanos collected all the Infinity Stones."
Actually, that's how the Infinity Gauntlet comic started.
@@berengustav7714 he-
Imagine if Avengers: Endgame 2: Return of Thanos starts with "Somehow, Thanos returned. Also somehow Iron Man returned."
@@viljamtheninja thanos can easily return just get stones back and then snap
@@creeperYT9824 stones is gone
Palpatine: *Spent years planting the seeds of doubt in Anakin's head to make him join him*
Also Palpatine: Become Empress Palpatine...
Rey: No
Palpatine: *Welp, i give up*
Palpatine: Kill me and I will possess your body.
Rey: *kills Palpatine, and is just fine (after being resurrected)*
@Jason Smith I don't think the movie properly established that, if that was their intention. It also wouldn't make sense in terms of light/dark -- why would the dark side reward the victim and not the antagonist? The Sith don't believe in helping the weak.
That also wasn't a limitation for the books: Palpatine's body looked decrepit because his extensive dark-side use had physical ramifications, a la E=mc^2; the physical life powered the Force, so he recharged his Force batteries by replacing his own body, and at all times he was the perp and not the victim.
Jason Smith cope for a shit story full of plot holes
Jason Smith When was that ever stated?
Jason Smith Wait, so if Rey had to kill him when he’s weak, why the hell would Palpatine absorb Rey’s power, making him stronger and Rey weaker?
Do you not have any critical thinking skills or what?
The sad thing is…
Palpatine forgot to tell Rey the Tragedy of Darth Plagueis the Wise
I feel like this movie is going to give us some quality YTP content
It's treason then
😂😂😂
So it is impossible to learn this power?
Ethan Pang not for a Sith
Disney: You turned our fanbase against me?
Lucasfilm:
You have done that yourself
Disney: I have brought strong females, diversity and justice to MY new trilogy
Fans: you’re new trilogy?
@@livesathome2475 you are new trilogy?
@@Dead25m yes i am a new trilogy
I’d watch you. Lol.
great dialogue man and also ... only a sith deals in absolutes
"And I.... am all of the jedi"
The amount of cringe is INSANE
It's even worse now that I know it was supposed to have the same energy as, "And I...am...Iron Man". Like, not even close, Disney.
Jar Jar Abrams is a much worse hack than Joss Whedon. Whedon was given an impossible task, a task which never should have been placed in his lap but which was because WB is evil. He has the chops to create some thing original and moving -- but WB wanted an Avengers cut and paste.
Abrams just steals other people's ideas and turns them into the film equivalent of muzak. He put zero effort in, then cashed a check and moved on to the next vampiric feast upon someone else's creativity. Thanks, nepotism.
@@nickcrawford2456 Yeah I mean I am iron-man has so much build up and power. Same as I "Am Batman"
I AM ALL OF MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
@@qwertyiuwg4uwtwthn We need to hear Shadow say that in Sonic 2! (If he appears, at least)
In the Cinema where i watched the Movie someone in the audience really shouted "I AM IRONMAN"
That's hilarious 😂😂😂
/thathappened
The cinema where I watched It was just straight Up empty.
Looks like people already knew It was shit (This was the day of release by the way) And this cinema is always usually full
@@basementkidd6818 yikes
🧢
Reminder that Han didn't become a force ghost, it was just Kylo's imagination. He just decided to forgive himself by pretending his father did.
The Disney trilogy was a mistake
Actually it was Leia.
Yeah thats right. He murders his dad in cold blood and he basically just tells himself the equivalent of "he'd want me to be happy".
Tbh the Han/Chewie/Rey/Fin meet up in Episode 7 was the scene, i enjoyed the Most in the whole Trilogy
It's absolutely a psychotic episode. Kylo Ren had finally gone completely off the deep end and is hallucinating his father forgiving him for the deaths of potentially trillions of people.
And it's practically the best scene in the movie, which is embarrassing.
@@vsGoliath96 ohh yea, he did destroy like 3 planets. Boy, they sure did try sweeping that one under the rug.
I didn’t even realise that Kylo was fighting Knights of Ren at the end. That is how well communicated that was in the movie!
Same here man, I just watched this and was like "oh really". Thats shit was news to me
I just thought it was random guards. Not deadly warriors that have been talked about through the trilogy
Stormtrooper: oH, THosE ARe tHe NiGHts oF ReN
*spoons rattling*
Other stormtrooper: cOo0oOOo0OL!
*spoons rattling*
Other stormtrooper: cOo0oOOo0OL!
In the Re-release they'll have those two stormtroopers to explain it to you, just casuallyhanging out and this will be their lines: "Knights of Ren" "No shit, Sherlock"
If they wanted the character back, all they had to do was make him Palpatine's son, who it turns out was manipulating the First Order in the background this whole time, trying to rebuild the empire he thought he would inherit when his father died. It could turn out that he was hunting down his little sister for two films- she had been snatched away and hidden to save her from being slaughtered by her brother because she was a threat to his dream of domination.
wow. that's actually a pretty decent idea. Way better than this anyhow.
Or it wasn't her parents that left her on Jakku; maybe her father knew Palpatine was going to take over his body so he sent her off with someone who had instructions to leave her somewhere her father had never been so that Palpatine couldn't find her
That’s a pretty good idea.
Further proof that sometimes the fans have better ideas than the 'real' creators.
so basically: "don't build a roof for a house that doesn't exist."
That or "putting the cart before the horse". There are a lot of cautionary idioms that can be applied to this movie.
@@mar10ssj1 I think the (vast) majority of cautionary idioms in existence can be applied to this movie.
Wow
more like: don't build a roof for a house that just got demolished by the very people you were trying to build it for.
@@Shadowkey392 then call the people whom you wrecked the house man babies because they are mad you wrecked their house by saying "Wtf are you so mad about, this roof costs a billion dollars!!"
Korg saying “Thor, he’s back” in Endgame fits too perfectly in that fortnite cutscene
XxXNoob_MasterXxX
Cap: *looks defeated with broken shield
(Poe: *looks defeated with broken fleet)
Falcon: On your left
(Lando: On your left)
Marvel characters we care about: *appear
(Resistance reinforcements we don't give a shit about: *appear)
* *Avengers theme plays* *
(* *Star Wars theme plays* *)
Thanos: I am inevitable
(Palpatine: I am all the Sith.)
Tony: And I am Iron Man.
(Rey: And I am all the Jedi.)
*Thanos and Tony killed.
(*Palpatine & Rey killed, only having Rey to be revived because the plagiarism is too obvious at this point.)
You cant kill Mary-Sue Rey. She's the bestest ever.
Jacob Wh Khu
You need Rey alive so you can make more money- I mean movies with her
JJ Abrams doing what he does best.
Oh my god, you're right.
Come on rise of skywalker get your owned ideas
"They're gonna attack the whole galaxy!"
"You mean all 3 planets?"
"Yes man! We're DOOMED!"
Filmento:
"... to clear MY name once and for all."
Disney:
"What about us?"
Filmento:
"TH-cam accounts are free."
I really liked TROS. ( :
Adam Ferry then counter the points he made in this video , bro you don’t even know how Palpatine is still alive
Adam Ferry tHEy FLy noW!!!! This movies dialogue was terrible
@@tanner6184 it's alright, if you look into it, it's guaranteed you'll hate it, but he chooses not to, and he enjoys it, so let him enjoy it
I just hope that they'll say, "haha, just kidding! That trilogy was a fever dream of Luke!" Then proceed to make actual quality film. 🙏
It’s modern Disney, and as much as we wish that were true, it will most likely never happen. At the most, it would be a very average entry. At the worst, another weak movie
If they just let one person direct all three movies it would have been different. Imagine if one director made Infinity War and then they hired someone else to film Endgame, the tone everything would have changed.
Too late Carey Fisher unfortunately is actually gone and Mark Hamil has suffered from political dementia over the past 4 years...
Nothing is the same....and everybody knows....everybody knowsssss...everybody knows
*they tried*
Nah it made money therefore by tje laws of capitalism this is what we want, ergo, make more. The only way to stop it is to stop buying it.... That's it
Franchises that are changed and marketed at kids, eventually die, the true fans have grown up, but the company is out of touch with it’s now adult fanbase, because they’re now trying to bring in both adults and kids.
And you get a mess of crap and feel good stories... and stupid kid logic.
When me and my family were in the theatre, my dad told me at the end “the only way this could get worse if the Ewoks make an appearance”, and one minute later the Ewoks made their cameo. Both me and my dad laughed pretty hard at that.
Fun fact: I actually fell asleep during The Rise of Skywalker. Wasted money on the cinema and woke up to Rey kissing Kylo.
I can only imagine the look on your face.
LOL, I couldn't imagine THAT being when you woke up. I bet you thought you were in a nightmare!
@@polic72andDrD3ath That is very accurate :D
I feel sorrow for your agony.
You slept through palpatine's base boost lightning? 😂
"Its just empty noise". That's how the whole movie felt.
Hello there
General kenobi
They need to go home and rethink their lives.
@@anubusx I wish I could mind trick them into making a better movie.
@@GeneralKenobi75
Tell Disney to stop making Star Wars movies and live action adaptations of their animated films.
The scene with Han was laughable. Kylo is basically forgiving himself for murdering his dad and justifying it via hallucination.
Delusional much like the people who worked on these movies
Hey, it didn't made me a laugh
Do you have sense of humor or something
This joke isn't funny
BTW this movie was bad
Also no, this makes that why he hated his dad and dude
Seriously imagine your dad forgive you when you did dirty to him
It wasn't a hallucination but Leia using everything she was left with to project herself as Han and talk to Kylo. It was there for Kylo to realise that it is not too late and even after all that has happened he still has a chance at Redemption similar to his Grandfather who did much worse shit but at the end gave up his life to save his son.
@@crinjal_mrp that was clearly some magic stuff. There are talking animals remember
@TrainerblueTube I'm pretty sure that's official canon. Han Solo was not a Force sensitive and hence cannot project himself as a ghost. Even if he was a somehow Force sensitive you can't just project yourself as a Force ghost.
It was Leia who projected herself as Han and talked to Kylo
I want Lucas back I'd rather deal with bad dialogue than disney wars
@@luxinvictus9018 compared to the sequel trilogy the prequels are a masterpiece
Phantom Menace and Attack of the CLones were great. Not as good as ROTJ but still great.
Star Wars has always had bad dialogue. It's okay to live with it if the alternative is having no story.
IF anything the Clone Wars undermine the prequels. Revenge of the Sith is already powerful and heartbreaking as it is because we have two previous movies to build it up
@@luxinvictus9018 that just means that you didn't understand the meaning and the brilliance of episodes 1 and 2
“I dont like sand “and “ no because im so in love with you” from Anakin is so crincy
The Rise of Skywalker feels like an essay that JJ procrastinated on until the midnight before the deadline, and was just pushed out so that he could have the _slightest_ chance of somehow passing the 4th grade.
Another issue is that they switched director back and forth like underwear.
JJ did Lost and Fringe and was good at it. Yes both have their flaws, but it shows that the man isn't an idiot.
If one person would've written and directed the trilogy, we might've gotten a conclusive, connected story arc over 3 movies.
Lol so true. How would you describe LJ?
One of those kids that's "bad at test taking"
As much as I like Kylo confronting Han, I always felt that Kylo's character should have meet Anakin at the end of his dark side journey. It makes sense as Anakin is canonically a force ghost, so he could appear before Kylo, but it also challenges everything Kylo has based his beliefs around.
He believed that his grandfather was a powerful Sith who's mission to conquer the galaxy was left incomplete and he seeks to complete that goal. In reality, his grandfather was a Jedi who renounced the dark side and rose up to oppose a Sith lord and redeem himself whilst saving the galaxy and those he loves from a tyrannical dictator.
So far Kylo has used Vaders name to murder his father, has faced his uncle in a stand off that lead to his uncle dying, and his battle with Rey may have been the cause of his mothers death (I'm just assuming because Leia dies when Kylo is stabbed). It would have been powerful to see him come face to face with the ghost of Anakin Skywalker merged with Darth Vader. Anakin isn't ashamed of his role as Vader, he did terrible things but used those terrible things as a way to do what he was always destined to do, strike down the Lord of the Sith.
For Kylo to confront his idol, a man who redeemed himself and gave his life for his children and the people they loved, for Kylo to see him after having killed his parents and uncle, that would be a profound and tragic reality check. For Kylo to meet the man that he killed his father for and realise that it actually hurt his idol, that would break his perception of everything and show him that he was manipulated into following in the footsteps of Vader and would be a great way to set him on the path to redemption, the path Vader took that he was never told about.
Plus it would give Hayden Christiansen another shot at redeeming himself in the role for many people by letting him appear in a film that doesn't have prequel dialogue and direction.
Granted, with how these movies went, that'd arguably be a step down from the prequels...
The fact that Anakin didn't bother to step in when Sidious was leading a member of his family down the same path he walked was ridiculous (he can make time for Rey, though)
Or, if Disney didn't feel like bringing Hayden back, they could make a CGI Sebastian Shaw just like they did with Grand Moff Tarkin in Rogue One.
That would actually be pretty interesting. Give more of a purpose of what Darth Vader/Anakin left behind . An evil, but good legacy
You forget Bevan, to have applied any of this would have required the use of logic which is something that modern Disney lacks.
*"They made exactly your movie and it turned out bad. Dislike"* Kathleen Kennedy is that you?
This gives me flashbacks to another beloved franchise that the writers burned to the ground, and they snap at anyone who criticizes the smoldering remains, of which we can barely see because the lighting is god awful.
JJ is more to blame
@@Aredel D&D kinda forgot about the internet
@@freebee8221 Kathleen is most to blame.
Antonio Sonntag don’t even talk about it how have my 2 favourite franchises ended in a mess
The first time I watched TROS, I cringed when Poe said “Some how, Palpatine returned”
Now, I just laugh
His face when saying that, he looks like he's thinking "seriously guys, are you really going to make me say that stupid line ?"
I haven’t watched any of the new trilogy so that was the first time I saw that scene and... really?
REALLY?
R E A L L Y? THAT’S WHAT THEY WENT WITH??????
Oscar Isaac gave up mid-sentence, and I honestly can't blame him
"They fly now!"... Damn he had bad lines...
"Somehow...palpatine flies now"
The main issues that doomed the Disney trilogy:
- no overarching concept, the whole thing was just made up as they go
- 2 different directors who seemed to be wanting to outdo each other.
- 1 of them reportedly didn't do his 'homework' on the franchise, rather than being more concerned with "subverting expectations"
All of this made it all disconnected and seemingly shitting on everything the fans loved.
I still can't believe they copied the "And I am.."line from Endgame like nobody would notice. Shameless
I think they did it intentionally as marvel fan service so that people who liked Endgame would say something like "oh that is what they said in endgame, cool!" But instead backfired horribly
We're talking about JJ Abrams here. All he does is ripoff or copy and paste other people's work.
"I am" lines are not even original to start with...
That's what jar Jar Abrams does; he copies the work people more talented than him. JJ is a quote from Pablo Picasso that was brought to life and given a pair of hipster glasses and a nose that looks like a penis: "Good artists create, great artists steal."
@@DaMaster012 I love that Jar Jar fits so perfectly with his name lol
The return of that “old guy” from the original trilogy, Wedge Antilles, was also a huge letdown. Wedge was the Poe Dameron of the Rebellion Era, the best pilot they had besides son of the chosen one Luke Skywalker. He survived the Battle of Yavin, was the first snow speeder to take down a walker in the battle of Hoth, and survived and dealt critical damage to Deathstar 2 at the battle of Endor... and now he’s just a gunner for Lando with a few seconds of screen time?? He should have flown in an old X-Wing like a badass and taught Poe and thing or two... the dynamic between those two ace pilots could have been epic.
100% THIS!!!!
The way he was brought back in the film actually made me angry at the end of it, i was like... that's it?
@Heavy Metal Collector no shit! lol.. I was all stoked to see Lando finally in more Star Wars and after the trailers showing him every time I thought he was going to have a substantial role in the movie but I literally looked down to grab my soda and looked back up and he was suddenly onscreen I completely missed his introduction and had to ask my friend where the fuck he even came from.
WAIT waitwaitwaitwaitwaitwaitwait wait! Wait!
That was supposed to be wedge?
And all he got was a cameo? Not even an explanation as to why he wasn't fighting in the first place?
What kind of fanservice is that?
They couldn't do that because he's old and white while Poe is young and Latino, therefore it would go against Disney's narrative. Im surprised they didnt make Wedge Antilles part of the Final Order instead.
Granted, I'm under 20, but Wedge was around that much in the originals? I only remember him at the start of 5 and maybe a little in 4. Lando was an actual main character starting in 5 so that's how I remember him.
General Hux: Kills billions of people in the Force Awakens
Also General Hux: A good spy in Rise of Cringe
I'm pretty sure that he was never good. He was just being spiteful to Kylo Ren.
@@CulturalMarxist4985 And now I ask myself : why? Why Hux hated Kylo so much that the idea of literally destroying the lifetime work of him and his father doesn't sound so bad?
Why not just trying to undermine Kylo's leadership and usurp him? Why not just trying to get him killed? Hux is not supposed to be a total retard.......
@@DeadKraken Because he's selfish it's a consistency in SW for rulers to want to rule above the ones they obey. He's aware Kylo can easily kill him. Hux is not a force user. However if their supreme leaders see's Kylo as a failure for the time being Hux would take his place.
Vader: *Kills younglings*
Also Vader: "I hate sand"
I wonder if people are aware that none of the Star Wars movies were perfect and they just have a stigma against Disney because they want to be more edgy. :[]
@@em30142 Oh, so you tell me that the best (they say)General of the First Order didn't have any other way of getting rid of Kylo Ren without compromising the whole organization? The same power-thirsty general that had literally killed his own father to gain an higher place in the Order and is so fervent about the Order's ideology that he's pretty much the face of the First Order for the rest of the Galaxy?
Selling Kylo Ren's location to the Resistance. Undermine his position, and then usurp him. Sending a killer or literally have any blaster and the surprise factor. All more rational solution than "tear the whole organization down *while winning* to maybe get rid of the new Leader".
I wonder if people are aware of the existence of good writing and don't just assume that others have stigmas towards something just because they point blatant bullshit. Also I've seen none of the OGs nor the Prequels, I grew up with Star Trek LMAO
LadyKraken one of my points when defending this movie is different peoples standards of writing. Star Wars never had perfect dialogue. Of course it’s all subjective but they’re known for that. As well as some inconsistencies like Luke and his relationship to his father and sister. So in your case I’d say this saga at least, wasn’t for you. As for Hux, again the people in the first order are selfish to the point of carelessness. It is really well done in the Vader Dark Visions comic book actually. Keeping in mind that it’s a fictional story and there’s lightsabers, they don’t try to make everything realistic? I might be using the wrong words here but it’s fantasy about the good side winning. With the bad side continually making mistakes. Due to fear, anger, selfishness. I’d say yes Hux wanted an army and to fight the resistance. However he is being belittled by Kylo. Especially after episode 8. The development with his character, he would rather see Kylo fail. If that means lose the war he probably doesn’t care. Kylo is an apprentice of a higher power. Like Vader. They are replaceable. In Star Wars, often are replaced.
The entirety of the MCU: Controlled by A Man who wants to honor who came before him by building a Live Action Comic Book Universe, ultimately culminating in a memorable batch of stories that will be remembered for millennia to come.
The entirety of the Sequel Trilogy: A Trap controlled by a Company buying everything for the sole purpose of Nostalgia Baiting and hired a woman who has no knowledge of the 4 decades of films that came before. Ultimately resulting in a physical representation of the only thing they are interested in... Your Wallet.
Why do ya'll think Disney controlled the production of these movies exactly?
Lucasfilm had full control there's never even been a single person who said Disney interfered in the series
@@mitchellhorton9382 u right. It's JJ Abrahams fault not Disney
@@clyne8835 *abrams
Therapist: Palpathanos doesn't exist, he can't hurt you
Palpathanos in the thumbnail:
Anonymous Animation Critic Nah I think his name should be Palpanos
Do you know the tragedy of Darth Plagueis, the unbalanced?
I hate you for the meme, but the pun is just too good.
Creamy Sheev Palpathanos
Ahem, Palpatinos!
The Sequel trilogy was made for us to appreciate the prequels ,lol.
I wonder if the next trilogy will be so horrendous, that is makes the sequel trilogy look good.
At a one deep dark point in me i think 7-9 is just made for everyone who doesnt like 1-3 which are and always were freaking epic. Every part an absolute crazy finale...in between you always knew whats that all about...on the highest level of an star wars fan i am i would even go so far to say lowkey 1-3 > 4-6
As an actual Prequel hater, I agree... The sequel wasn't simply bad, it was just so much wasted potential and I think that's what hurts the most. At least the Prequels had a logical story.
georockstar09 the prequels had a perfectly planned story from the beginning their mistake was the bad dialogues and politics but they were still enjoyable and epic and emotional unlike the sequels
@@nerevarchthn6860 I wish they could have had a good story for the sequels :( Some of the new characters were great, there was so much they could have done with them, so much they could have explored. Now we'll never have that.
I agree that some of the problem with this movie was lack of character and plot building, but to me the ultimate problem was the lack of realism.
It just doesn't make sense that Palpatine was able to build and man such a huge armada without anyone knowing.
And it doesn't make sense how Chewie was able to rally the entire galaxy in just ~30 minutes, especially when in the last movie they couldn't get even a single ship to help them.
It was just really really bad plot armor.
I believe you're not really talking about realism, but rather about consistency.
Even if there is a reason why palpatine was able to build the fleet, why are destroyers able to carry planet destroying canons when previously you needed a moon sized based to power them? (and consistency aside, aren't planet exploding weapons boring at this point)
point 2 is really what rubs me the wrong way: not only is it hard to buy as an audience, the quest to unite a new resistance could have sold the climax, and the foundation of that plot was laid perfectly by the previous movie (whatever its other flaws) and with the power difference between the resistance and first order, you didn't even need to waste screentime establishing the new fleet (or palpatine for that matter) to sell the urgency of rallying everyone to the cause.
have the heroes liberate/ally with a planet or two in the beginning, seemingly lose a powerful asset (say Leïa and all her connections across the galaxy). then have the heroes go into battle as a desperate attempt to eliminate Kylo. but in memory of Leïa, all her allies have risen up and come in to save the day.
@@maximeteppe7627 Yes I agree with a lot of this. The two directors seemed to be having a petty war by attempting to change the direction of the plot in each movie.
But yeah the third movie just had too many things that didn't make sense, esp with the fleet of star planet killers literally popping up out of the ground.
Excellent point - there is the suspension of disbelief for things that build a setting (the force is real, space ships, etc.).
The the sheer idiocy of the plotlines - absolute garbage and absurdity.
Space horses
“And it doesn’t make sense how Chewie was able to rally the entire galaxy in just ~30 minutes...”
Not going to lie, I have a similar problem with Endgame’s Portal scene. How the hell did Strange manage to organize all of those people, most of whom probably had no reason to believe Thanos would return.
Getting sudden goosebumps when Portals music popped up, that's how powerful Endgame scene was.
I mean rly the first 6 movies were a perfectly cohesive story with a conclusive ending. Anakin's life, fulfilling the prophecy, killing off the jedi and the sith, whose conflicts tore the galaxy for years. Thus bringing balance. Then the mouse comes alone and his sacrifice for Luke goes to the shitter.
Also the man with the strongest connection to the force lost to Dooku and Obi Wan(on dark side steroids), but this new character can use lightning without killing a single youngling.
Th prequels weren’t good movies, but they told the story they wanted to tell. And they told it perfectly, the OT also told an interesting and exciting story. While the sequels made the same story again, and with that they shat all over the old films.
The prequels were meant to be supplemental to the original trilogy, to further explore the universe and to give further context. The sequels on the other hand try to piss on the original trilogy by "letting it die" while also trying to use them for a nostalgia factor, ultimately they disgrace the original trilogy (and the prequels by proxy). God worst thing is what there's a good amount of potential in these movies but it's just wasted so badly.
@@fabianstobbe3743 yeah after the sequels i see the prequels in a far better light which is shocking to type....
@@fabianstobbe3743 The prequels told their story perfectly, but they weren't good movies? Don't be afraid to like the prequels my man, George Lucas crafted them with love and care and it shows. Most of the arguments prequel haters use are easily debunked if you actually watch the entirety of the movies.
@@gerritdeman6410 Thanks my fellow dutchman
Guard 1: "The knights of Ren."
Guard 2: "Cool."
WHY WASN"T THIS MOVIE GIVEN AN EMMY FOR WRITING!!!!!!
Andrew Hershberger U mean Oscars?
Nirawit Karnjanasomwong I think he means Razzie
I'm pretty sure he said "ghouls"
"They FLY now!"
"They fly now?!"
" -_- ...THEY FLY NOW."
Thought he said "Goals" lol
Lando killing that stormtrooper when Rey or even the others could’ve dispatched him quickly is a classic example of a lazy scene with no tension whatsoever.
Yes, your right. Well at least Lando made it out alive
I completely missed Lando even being introduced I looked down to grab my soda and when I looked back up he was suddenly on-screen. wtf
Just the idea that one single stormtrooper might ever, _ever_ pose a threat to these assholes is beyond absurd at this point... stormies in the sequel trilogy are nothing but cannon fodder for our plucky heroes to dispose of casually all while spouting shitty oneliners and making sure the audiences know there is no danger at all. So essentially like TCW droids (and that is a show for kids).
People may ridicule the stormtrooper aim from the OT all they like but there was an ever present sense of threat coming from them. Yes, they missed their shots but always _just_ barely and the characters never straight-out disrespected them. When the Endor squad design a plan to distract the four scouts guarding the door, you don't feel like they might as well just charge at them up-front and be finished without a scratch.
Also, why do the whole "Force teleport Rey's necklace across the universe so you can figure out what culture made it, so you can figure out what planet it came from, so you can find Rey" when the storm trooper who caught them can literally call in her location with his suit radio?
@@yarpen26 "TCW is a show for kids"
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA....
I still can't believe that the climax of the mainline Star Wars saga ended with a lame lightning power struggle battle that even DragonBall Z would've been embarrassed of.
God I felt that Right and the guts😢
How to fail at writing anything:
Have things happen with no setup, explanation, or logical explanation.
episode 7 man!
@@Cre8Lounge Ep 7: Somehow the Empire is back even though the Republic was the major force left in the galaxy after the OG trilogy ended, somehow a woman who's never piloted a space-worthy ship can pull out pro gamer moves with the Falcon, somehow the Force is a legend after only 30 years, somehow a fuckin cleaning trooper knows the weak spot of a planet-sized weapon no one knew about(I could go on and on).
Fans: OMG I LUV IT YEEEEEEE
Ep 9- Somehow Palpatine is alive.
Fans: Oh hell naw that's bullshit!!111!!!!
I felt the exact same way when Rey "killed" Chewie, that shit blew my mind for the 2 minutes it lasted, it would have added such a great major flaw to this otherwise way too perfect nice character. she would beat herself up over it, try to make up for it and redeem herself, maybe even lose respect from her friends until another movie or something. that would not have saved the saga but it would have risked something and made it worth watching somewhat
Same. The way Rey screamed Chewy when she thought she killed him still gives me chills. When they brought him back I was legit upset, like I felt true emotion seeing a character I loved growing up die just to see he didnt, to make the audience go through that for what reason, what do they gain having done that. just a bad move in general.
@@CalienteQuack Attempted emotional manipulation.
When I saw that moment, I legit stood up and cursed Kathleen Kennedy in front of my parents and all the cinemagoers.
I just want to say, I watched this movie two times over two days, and I never even noticed that Kylo fought his own Knights. I was so bored by the end both times, I didn't notice a moment that they thought would mean something. I DIDNT EVEN REALISE THEY WERE IN THE MOVIE UNTIL THIS VIDEO
I had the exact same experience. It’s a bit weird to think that we’re currently going through some sort of Cultural Dark Ages in this way. This conclusion was so lame that it wasn’t even impressively poor. It was so underwhelming that ‘character’ (lack thereof) moments happened without any element of risk or drama. I vaguely remember accepting the events in that final scene and seeing people step out of the shadows... I was so beaten into mind numbingly bored boredom that I just started to accept the moving shapes that were being presented as that was the quickest way out of the theatre.
maybe there was some eagle-eyed viewers out there but i could only tell he was fighting 'bad guys' in that scene, and nothing more
EXACTLY!!!!
Part of the issue is that they don't do anything up to that point. Like, they captured Chewie off-screen basically, were shown posing, and were probably seen together with Kylo once. There was at no point anything that demonstrated those characters were capable of anything.
In all fairness; the same was true of the royal guard, but then they literally existed to empathized to show how important the Emperor was. Kylo was alone for most of his scenes.
@@MrAristaeus Do you think Star Wars is our entire culture?
Three ways you could've made a better sequel trilogy:
#1. Have a plan - while it's fine in principle to encourage diverse artistic talents to bring their own creative energy and angles to a Star Wars picture, you still need to ground those sometimes reckless impulses within a well-constructed and thorough narrative structure. It's pretty clear JJ abhors being pinned down in this way but it would've saved a lot of time, money and reputational trauma.
#2. Get the lead casting right - Daisy Ridley recently expressed surprise that her work in these films hasn't led to any other big offers. I can clear it up for her: it's because you can't act, Daisy. Fundamentally there's nothing wrong with the character of Rey as a central protagonist, at least as far as she's established in TFA. The big problem (aside from her development, which I'll get to) is the actress chosen to play her is so unbelievably badly cast, and posseses a screen presence that compares poorly with some of the background matte paintings from the original trilogy. With her Sloane Square accent, flawless, plump alabaster skin (despite 20 years spent scavenging in a desert wasteland) and soft physique, Daisy Ridley's Rey is every inch the pampered, privately educated English stage-school baby, and about as far from the tough, resourceful and resolute survivor we're clearly meant to take her for as it's possible to imagine. Adam Driver fares a little better (being a better actor generally), but his melodramaticly villainous Kylo Ren comes off mostly as a moody Millennial with impulse-control issues, and his attempts to inject emotional substance into the role are hampered by an apparent limit of only two or three facial expressions.
#3. Develop interesting characters and allow them to grow - although the Star Wars saga always took place against a cosmically huge narrative of intergalactic warfare, what made it work was not the vast spectacle but the way this broad canvas was merely the colourful backdrop for some intimately observed character studies. Even the prequels, despite their corny dialogue and notoriously terrible acting, depicted the rise and fall of Anakin Skywalker with a surprising amount of depth. By casually trashing much of the earlier films' established tropes and presenting a 2-dimensional stereotype of a idealistic, pure and noble heroine who's naturally the greatest ever at everything she attempts, Rey is robbed of the rousing journey toward proficiency in force manipulation and personal enlightenment that we as an audience might reasonably expect, and her ability to overcome obstacles instantly and easily erases any sense of drama or suspense. After a while you realise nothing bad will ever happen to her, and everyone will always flock to her aid, because she's just so great, I guess. Both Luke and Anakin in their respective trilogies had to overcome multiple failures, defeats, even mutilation by light saber, and both struggled against the lure of the dark side (one unsuccessfully). Rey experiences no such struggles, and thus remains the exact same uncomplicated paragon in the last picture as in the first. Thus it's much harder to become invested in her, and her eventual, inevitable victory over her opposition lacks any kind of resonance. This an utter failure of narrative storytelling, and feels like an almost deliberate expression of contempt for the source material and its conventions, one in keeping with the lack of respect shown the original property by the Mouse House through all its now myriad exploitations of the Lucas IP.
Disney, if you're still watching, maybe think some of this over next time. Just a suggestion.
You're so right about Daisy god. The girl comes from a privileged well-off white family but acts like she's being treated unfairly. Idk how tf she got any jobs in this industry or graduated from acting school. She has the acting ability of a plank of wood. You'd think a character like Rey would be tanned or something, considering she's lived in the scorching desert ALL HER LIFE. And you're so right about Driver's performance as well! "His attempts to inject emotional substance into the role are hampered by an apparent limit of only two or three facial expressions." Even when mans was sad, he barely moved his face. Boyega and Isaac are excellent actors and should've had bigger roles than Rey.
Daisy and Adam are actually both very good actors you should maybe try other movies with them, especially "Marriage Story" with Adam Driver and the Scarlett Johansen is awesome.
Still she doesn't answer your calls, huh?
Here’s a fundamental difference between the two Portals scenes: in Rise, the cavalry arrives just after Poe gives up, in the moment when he essentially stops being a hero; in Endgame, the cavalry arrives as Cap is fully determined to face Thanos’ army alone with a broken shield. Imagine how hollow the Endgame Portals scene would feel if the portals opened just after Cap fell to his knees, or let his shield fall to the ground. But he never does. So Cap deserves the cavalry; Poe does not.
Wow great point.I didn't think of it that way.
Yes, great point!!!
That’s a really good point.
One of the funny things I noticed about this trilogy is that they never really specify time in this saga. I deadass think this trilogy happened in a weekend. Rey and Kylo fought in the first movie on a Friday, the First Order demolished the Resistance on Saturday and Rey kills Palpatine on Sunday haha
That is actually how it happened. All of TFA and TLJ happened in less than 6 days, then a 1 year timeskip to ROS
I cared so little for this film after I finished it that I even forgot how it was called. I had to Google it to find out how it was called again lol, hence why I'm here. It was a fun film honestly, a flawed film but fun. Except, I absolutely couldnt give a damn about the new characters. THis and episode 8 feel like a fever dream to me honestly
@@le_meme_man8983 Wait TFA and TLJ happened in less than a week? So the First Order almost completely wiped out the Resistance in less than 6 days? That seems way too fast.
@@SnakeSound222 it is actually true. TFA happens in like 2 days, TLJ starts literally a second after the ending of TFA, then Rey trained for 2 or 3 days, killed snoke and his guards. Blah blah blah
Reminds me of that song from Aura Dione 365 Days
What ruined this movie for me is the fact that it was pure fan service. Everything was a check in the box cameo that did nothing to build upon the story that was happening around them. I really wish that they hadn't built this sequel trilogy as the conclusion to the original Star Wars trilogy. That story was done, it was fine the way it was. What they should have done was make a new story that expanded the universe with completely new ideas. But why invest in characters or engaging story telling when you can make billions on nostalgia alone?
They didn't even do that right. Us nostalgic fans were not pleased either...they tried to do both was the issue.
In a sense, it was kinda what the fans demanded after the Last Jedi.
Lesson learned; fanboys don’t actually know what they want.
@@kingofthings7929 kinda yeah but it's also due to Studios listening to fans in a wrong way they think when they solve that major problems fans will love it instantly but they forget that it still need a good direction and good storytelling but yeah fans are annoying too
@@a.f9234 Yes..its the fans fault we got shitty movies. Makes perfect sense.
it was bad fan service. TFA was actually okay decent fan service film.
I keep forgetting that Lando is in this movie.
It also doesn’t help that this whole movie feels like a rushed reaction to deal with what people didn’t like with last Jedi. Effectively retconning most of that film, thus leaving this trilogy with effectively no cohesion.
To be fair, The Last Jedi felt like it already shattered any semblance of cohesion due to its SuBvErSiOn of all of The Force Awakens.
I’m of the opinion that The Last Jedi was an okay movie, but it’s a story that doesn’t fit with the rest of the earlier movies. A movie introducing more grey morality would’ve been cool AFTER concluding our journey with the original trilogy’s characters.
I’m of the opinion that The Rise of Skywalker is trash tho lol
@Robo Actually, Rian Johnson handles the buildup of Luke from Episode 7 (along with everything else) beautifully, couldn't have done it better, and if anyone spends even 10 seconds thinking about it it's really the only way it could've gone that would've made sense from what Ep. 7 established.
immortalfrieza What? So the questions like "Whos Snoke?" "Oh uhh Idk but he's dead now lol"
"Who are the Knights of Ren?" "Who?"
"Whys Luke abandoned everything but left a map to where he is?" "Oh uh it's because he tried to murder his own nephew in his sleep because that's TOTALLY something he would do, and he's only there to die so I guess he made the map for no reason lol"
"Why is Rey so powerful with the force? And why is Lukes lightsaber calling out to her? Does she have some connection with him?" "Uhh well she's that powerful for no reason, her parents are nobodies! She isn't tied to Luke in anyway! Did I subvert your expectations? DID I!?"
J J Abrams made The force awaken and rise of skywalker and rian Johnson and Kathleen Kennedy made the last jedi to destroy J J abrams storyline. If JJ Abrams make the last jedi anything be great Star Wars movies all 3. Blame on Kathleen Kennedy because she hate Star Wars and want to destroy it.
@@immortalfrieza th-cam.com/video/vw7pcCj0ORk/w-d-xo.html
For me it‘s the weakest movie. It‘s the first Star Wars movie where I just didn’t care and was even bored. It was empty. I really don’t want to go full on hate but I don’t like this movie. Nice for people who enjoyed it.
It´s not hate when you can give solid arguments, even when fanboys don´t accept it.
Öntas Bülent The Knights of Ren were my biggest disappointment.
I thought The Force Awakens was a lazy remake but it at least introduced some interesting things (which were all thrown out the window by Rian Johnson) such as the Knights.
They literally were in Episode 9 as eye candy. I was hoping at least one of them would've been shown to be nearly as powerful or as interesting as Kylo so they would have an interesting showdown when Kylo turns good but no...just...more walking. They weren't even formidable foes against Kylo
@@mrrevan813 Welcome to how I feel about Finn all throughout these movies. A Stormtrooper with an actual soul sounds interesting, but as the films went on, he became a non-chararcter. It's to the point where, in this movie, all he does is just scream *"REEEEEEEEYYYYYY!!"*
Nice that people like it? This why we will never get good movies again. This is why Star Wars is trashed
Michael Strong Couldn't have said it any better myself mate
JJ Abrams succeeded his ultimate goal: To unite the fandom The Last Jedi polarized. And he did it through a movie everybody disliked. The power of meh for this movie proved stronger than the love or hate for TLJ
I may not have agreed with the choices Rian Johnson made in the Last Jedi but at least movie made sense and was well made from a technical standpoint. Rise of Skywalker was a pile of shit at every aspect. Horrible writing, horrible pacing, bad acting,
I suggest you re-check the reviews. most people actually liked it.
Shadowkey392 most likely Disney shills
At least Rian Johnson tried to do something interesting and actually punished his characters for their decisions. If JJ had written that script, Luke would have lived, somehow made it to the final battle, and stopped Ren from killing Han because he is incapable of letting his characters live with the consequences of their decisions.
@@karimzakaria9621 ... no. The Last Jedi doesn't make any sense. The characters act only as the plot demands. They virtually all lack motivation of their own. It's also garbage from a technical standpoint due to the fact that the movie is structured extremely poorly. The pacing is particularly painful.
9:50. And they introduce the Knights of Ren by showing that two random storm troopers feel free to insult them in a small corridor before they even finish walking past - not very intimidating.
This whole movie seems like a fanfic...
A really bad one
I don't know you, but I bet you could have written a better script.
I have read much better fanfics. :/
Yes it is, an Expensive Fan Fiction,
made by people that Hated George Lucas Work !
Fanfic had some good stuff
erase 'movie' and try 'trilogy'
Not going to lie. I cried for chewy. Then felt silly when they showed him a min later. They killed Solo so I believed they could kill Chewy.
Although in the books chewie was actually killed off.
It would have been great if some of the novels were made into series.
@@AvoidTheCadaver In the Expanded Universe, Han was the one to survive, while Chewie died on the explosion of a planet, sacrificing himself in order to save Han and the remaining people there
@@anonymus5637
Yes. That was during the Yuuzhan Vong invasion arc
@@AvoidTheCadaver Wasn't that the species of another galaxy that attempted to conquer the one we know, and were such a powerful enemy, that the New Republic had to make a truce with the Empire Remnants in order to even have a chance to win?
@@anonymus5637
That's right. They used creatures and naturally grown ships as their war craft. They also worshipped pain to excess
Endgame: Omg it's all the old characters!
Rise of Skywalker: Omg it's a lot of rectangles!
You mean triangles?
wHaT'S ThE dIFfeREnCe?
@LTNetjak
Using the ultimate stuff called 'plot associated devices'
@LTNetjak rey just emailed the coordinates
Still EG was more better.
When Palpatine said: I am- I was like “are they actually copying Endgame” and I thought he was going to say Inevitable. And in that moment I knew Rey was gonna say something like Iron man said. It was really predictable. And when all the ships arrived looked like the Portals scene.
Black order- Scary violent minions of thanos who’s goal is to find the infinity stones they are useful often are the core of the fight scenes. Intimidating and are there for the entire movie as key characters.
Knights of ren- briefly mentioned in 7 then randomly brought back to stand in the background of some scenes and get killed by their own boss.
Whats crazy is they were only in one movie but were still more developed
Virgin Knights of Ren VS Chad Black Order
Please for the love of fucking god, use COMMAS!
@@excalibur6739 They are an Uncultured Swine after all.
@@excalibur6739 you understand what they’re saying, so what’s the issue?
Endgame: We've been building up Thanos for years now, always having him illustrate the events and now he gets to shine.
RoS: uhhh well we killed the main villain in the second movie so here's palpatine
Man Without A Plan Endgame did not let Thanos shine at all. IW did
@@nathanslay6342 Well actually...
I mostly agree but I never really cared about snoke or considered him the main villain. Imo kylo was the only villain that really mattered and snoke was just a plot device to push kylo.
@@somethingoriginal7917 Andy Serkis was more better as Caesar.
@@nathanslay6342 in endgame thanos is devastated that all of what he has done is now in vain because life in the universe is so shortsighted that they couldn’t see the bigger picture and instead of being grateful they spit on his sacrifices and undo all his life’s work. Thanos gives up on life because even on Titan they called him a madmen and his prediction came to pass but even after he helped the universe escape from that prediction they still called him a madman so now thanos who is motivated by vengeance decides to make a universe in his image a grateful universe teeming with life but first he decides to get rid of the unruly wretches who foiled his plan once in the first avengers so that they don’t foil his plan again. He even says that he will take personal pleasure in getting rid of them. Endgame makes thanos more human than any villain in cinema just like infinity war. Think about it what would you do if your life’s work is undone and spit on by people who have done it once before without being not even an ounce grateful.
There was SO MUCH JEBAIT in this movie. "Rey is going to be Sith, sike no she won't" "Oh no, the Wookie died! SIKE, other ship" "Oh no, C3PO gets memory wiped, aaaand it is back again" "Rey is not a prodigy, she is a nobody ... BUT ACTUALLY....." "PALPATINE FUCKS, NO IT IS A CLONE" *"OH ALL THE ACTUAL GOOD PARTS FROM THE LAST MOVIE? LET'S IGNORE IT"*
You just made my day 😂😂
What "good parts"? The end credits?
What good parts from the last movie? Other than the visuals?
"Let's ignore the good parts from the last movie." You mean the last Jedi?
Release the Palpatine Fucks Cut
Sequel trilogy isn't canon. LEGENDS is Canon!!!
They could have just put the yuuzhan vong war on screen and had a 1000000% better trilogy.
both of them aren't Canon. Star Wars ends with Return of the Jedi and stop. No more Sith, balance in the Force, no more empire. Everything else is "fanmade"
@@Ale-dd3ek the lucas six movies are the only canon. everything else is expanded universe and can be dismissed.
True, we need real new villains, no more storm troopers!!!!
@@Ale-dd3ek not anymore.
The whole Endgame copy-paste thing made me remember how GTA: San Andreas became cool and suddenly we were knee-deep in video games with black gangs in them.
It was basically a cargo cult. "It worked there let's do the same and the money will come!"
Robo ikr
GTA IV is better
@@eziogreggioquattrever8142 not the point of the comment bruh
@@boyenjoyer7 per haps
The thing that confused me most is the fact that Palpatine Instagram Live Streamed his location to the Galaxy when he could’ve just force linked to Rey like he did with Kylo. He literally gives the entire galaxy a free UAV on his camping spot and gets killed in the most pitiful scene I’ve seen in cinema
Eh, you know how old people are with technology....
@@DeadKraken this made me genuinely laugh.
He easily could’ve just gone straight to campaigning across the galaxy but instead was just like “here’s my location boys come kill me” it was so underwhelming
@@tacos5718 palpatine was tired of their bullshit, he made it easy for them
Opening scroll: EMPEROR PALPATINE has a podcast.
"there's too many of them"
"on your left"
*Poe literally turns left around the Star Destroyer*
I was thinking the same thing ahaha.
If the stormtrooper armor can literally be penetrated with an ARROW or a SINGLE BLAST they’re completely useless
Tbf the arrow went through the visor, not the armor
Remember the Ewoks?? 😯
"I am Iron Man." *SNAPS"
That brought me to tears. I haven't cried that much in a movie since Sam carried Frodo to the top of Mount Doom.
"I am a Jedi." ✖️
Luke said it in Return of the Jedi. Pretty awesome line in full: "I am a Jedi, like my father before me."
Sam carrying Frodo summoned a bunch of onion cutter ninjas right beside me. That is powerful.
She actually said “I am all Jedi”. In response to “I am all sitch.” So it wasn’t a call back to Luke’s line. It was an ape of Marvel’s “I am inevitable.” “I am Ironman”
@@seansweeney3365 Luke's line is still better.
Dan Waldman well yes that’s the point they’re making. Rey’s like was a ripoff of Iron Man’s, Luke’s was determined and grounded in emotion
I never realised these "Knights of Ren" were supposed to be anything special they were like the red useless guys in the others films for me.
And until you said it in the video I didnt even realise that he was fighing them at the end I thought there guys were just some generic guards of palp. oO
I can only guess that they were trying to treat them like Boba Fett. Though, they seem to think Boba Fett was cool and mysterious because he hardly shows up.
@@yesmansam6686 buba suxs tho
Poe: "sorry... I thought we had a shot..."
Me: in what way did you think you had a shot, with those numbers against that enemy?!
Lol
Also is it bad that I enjoyed and smiled when Filmento played the endgame theme play when the ships show up?
Man that song really can fit with anything and make it seem grand
Well they can use woman's ram's. They can drop some asteroids. They can attack One target....
10,000 ships they each has a planet killing weapon but has one giant flaw that has been a reoccurring flaw that no one has tried to change/prevent vs a medium sized armada of old ships
They should've let Captain James T. Kirk, Green Lantern & Carol Danvers deal with them.
Captain James T. Kirk: "I take it that the odds are against us and that things are grim?"
Captain Jean-Luc Picard: "You could say that."
Captain Kirk: "Sounds like fun."
-- Star Trek: Generations.
The problem with that is it's seemed like Disney said: look remember return of the Jedi when the Empire had all there fleet over Endor copy paste and a have the supposed best pilots in the Resistence fell defeated and oh wait here's Lando" like wtf
5:34 I love how filmento pointed out that the build up through fortnite was a terrible idea by not even telling you.
Rey shooting lightning just because she is a Palpatine makes no sense.
This. Pisses me off. So. Damn. Much. Force abilities are not genetic. Luke needed to be trained and he lost to Darth Vader. It also has no consequence. If she actually used the lightning to destroy Sidious it would make some sense. Using her latent ability to destroy the one who gave it to her. Fiction. Because calling it fanfiction implies a fan wrote it
The funny thing is, this is basically just the extreme of the logic people used that force powers were genetic.
It was the big "proof" her parents had to be somebody after TFA. And its made canon now
@@brianbrush5107 It was just grasping at straws. I just wanted an explanation for why she was strong in the Force. If you're gonna go the way of genetics then it needs to make sense. If she's nobody then you need to offer an explanation as to what makes her so special. They did both and half assed both
@@alphabetaed3007 She had strong force potential cause...high midichlorian count.
The reason she can do the force stuff is because she heard the stories of luke and the Jedi
Brian brush i cannot tell if you’re being satirical or not
I'll never forgive the sequels for the wasted potential of it all. Sure Force Awakens wasn't the strongest, but it was a great jumping off point. And jeeeesus, did they waste Finn, the one character with a truly unique backstory and viewpoint to give the story. They made such a big deal of Rey not knowing her last name and I'm like "Uhmm...you know who ELSE doesn't know his last name? Or his real name or who his parents are? Who was taken as a child and indoctrinated? What's he feeling? Does he feel anything when he has to kill stormtroopers? What...who...what is this? Are there any stormtroopers who look up to him, and hope they can escape? Could he become a rallying point for dissent in the ranks?? You're just gonna have him yell REYYYY and obvious shit?" There was SO MUCH they could've explored with him and how the whole military industrial complex of the First Order actually functions. And...nope.
* pulls hair out *
Or that Finn was displaying high levels of Force sensitivity since the first movie and they did nothing with it in the end... the list continues.
Force Awakens was more or less a carbon copy of A New Hope, except for Fin. He was the one character I held out hope for, but they relegated him to a sideshow with shitty one-liners and retarded "romance" plots. Very good point about his parentage too, the films are unashamedly focused on how upset Rey is that she doesn't know her parents, but Fin was kidnapped and indoctrinated from childhood to be a killer. I wonder who got the worse deal? They never even attempted to explore how Fin resisted the indoctrination and tuned out good. I guess he just "did".
Why do all that when he can just thirst after Rey😐
Bluestem that shit pissed me off. Everytime he was on screen I was really hyped for ACTUAL character progression and.... RERREEEEEEEEEYUUY. That’s all god damn it and it SUCKED
Finn deserves to have better writers and a good plan on where his arc would go. It felt like Force Awakens was his prologue, but after that, he was just there.
10:00 showcases the whole problem with the whole sequel trilogy: Nothing anyone does carries any meaning as long as Rey is somewhere in the general vicinity because she could simply have done it faster and easier.
The core problem is that there is simply nothing that is in any way meaningful. Not even people dying has any meaning. Chewie dies, whoops, no, he's ok. We get arrested, whoops, no, we're free. We sink in quicksand, whoops, no, it just takes us to the next chapter.
There isn't anything at stake in this movie.
I feel like the film should’ve been the “heroes” trying to stop Palpatine from returning. As in the film that was ‘missing’.
Edit: why did I feel more emotion in that three second clip of portals over the battle than I did during that bit in the entire film 😔
Honestly I thought Palpatine would be resurrected during the film, not offscreen before it. Oh well.
With the return of Palpatine, they basically uproot Anakin Skywalker's story completely out of the ground. He is the one who killed Palpetine (the entire point of the boy's conception), so seeing him ANYWHERE in the Sequel Trilogy makes this feel like a fan fiction. As much as I like fan fiction, I do not like calling this the Skywalker Saga; because this story was concluded over FORTY YEARS AGO!
but there was no reason to bring back Palpatine what's so ever, all this movie does is pisses on Skywalker saga, it makes Darth's noble act, mean nothing, fuck Disney Star wars and fuck these movies.
@@kyotheman69 Thank god, i'm not the only one who realized this. It completely invalidates Vader/Anakin's actions in return of the Jedi.
@@LinkMarioSamus Seriously wtf. This big bad guy's resurrection happens in the opening crawl. Did they run out of money or something?
lmao, that line Oscar Isaac gives, I truly believe he had given up then, he wasn't even acting; He just couldn't be bothered anymore.
which line in particular?
@@nyx1787 "Somehow... Palpatine has returned"
Poe was supposed to die in the first film & Han was gonna live to reunite with Leia but the script was reworked and flipped multiple times to be the opposite result we got in Episode 7. I think by Episode 8's conclusion Issac was hoping for something drastic to happen to Poe in the story (what little could be legitimized) and he lost total interest by Episode 9. Isaac and other cast members seemed like they phoned it in as evident in the group's collective reaction about their wordless thoughts regarding the final act of the Disney trilogy (all of them had WTF expressions).
Edit: th-cam.com/video/YOvbyfO3tsI/w-d-xo.html
"It's not my fault, they said they fixed it." ~ Han Solo
"It's not my fault, they said they fixed it." ~ Lando Calrissean
"It's not my fault, they said they fixed it." ~ Filmento
Nice.
Plagiarism to the max.
Can you even imagine growing up with THIS generation of Star Wars movies? The young people who did must wonder how Star Wars became so popular in the first place.
Also imagine not having seen the other Star Wars trilogies and you see this for the first time; You'd have LITERALLY no idea who Palpatine is or where he's back from. I watched this movie for the first time about two weeks ago, and I almost turned it off while reading the intro creep text. It's just so... out-of-nowhere-for-no-reason-ish.
The OT and the prequels did a better job establishing Palpatine as the bad guy:
The OT showed him as the true master behind the empire with Vader basically just his disc one boss that isn't pure evil. It also shows only late what the emperor is really capable of.
And the prequels show his slow rise to power, his manipulative side. How he gains that more influence with wide acceptance of the people, only to not let go afterwards.
My problem is that they didn’t conclude anything in this conclusion just reset everything to pre-post Yavin minus the OT characters.
There weren’t any first order ships at the final battle meaning they are still at full strength with a stranglehold on the galaxy while the rebels/resistance are licking their wounds and short on troops from fighting the final order.
This trilogy didn’t accomplish anything nor did it do anything to push the franchise forward. This was major waste of half a decade that took small steps when it needed giant leaps.
it's funny isn't it? This entire trilogy sums up Disney's SW ability, it finishes where RotJ finishes, just a number of years later. Entirely pointless.
"Hopefully" Disney learned their lessons from the Sequel Trilogy's mistakes.
@@rascoehunter3608 Why ? The trilogy made shit tons of money
@@asmahasmalaria8596 it made less than they were expecting however
@@asmahasmalaria8596 They definitly didn't make nearly as much as they wanted to and just think about the value SW lost in these few years.
I mean no one would ever pay 4 billion for Star Wars in its current state.
"Sith Powers" aren’t working like That. Those are ability’s you need to learn and you need to walk the path of the dark side for that, it doesn’t come out of your hands like that to show you’re a Palpatine.
Yes buy you forget a very important thing about this final movie...: "ain't nobody got time fo that!".
Hell, force lightning isn't even technically a dark side ability. But then again the expanded universe isn't canon anymore so...
@@CrysJaL You're referring to Electric Judgement, right?
@@harlannguyen4048 I don't think so. I haven't read much on the expanded universe but i did buy one of the books. It was following them defeating jacen and Luke was gonig to visit some random aliens who instead of having dark/light force powers had a spectum of colours. They mention during that that Luke knows force lightning and it's not really dark side aligned, just that Palpatine knew it. It stands to reason to be honest. Like telekinesis and the capacity to sense emotions being used by both sides it seems like whether the Force is light or dark is more determined by the user and the intent behind the action than the technique itself. That's not to say some abilities might be inherently corrupting though purely by the nature of the ability.
Apparently now they do.
I can't believe duel of the fates had to die for this movie to get made.
The original concept of the movie sounds a lot better than this.
While yes it could have been better personally I think no concepts could have saved this movie. It was poisoned by the last two entries.
Yep, totally trust a director who has never turned out a good movie.
I prefer TROS, though I admit they definitely could have used more concepts from Duel Of The Fates.
@@LinkMarioSamus I don't blame J.J for this, he has made great movies in the past. Blame Disney and Kennedy. It is said they changed the movie dozens of times, until a few weeks before it was released. J.J tried too hard to not offend the fans like episode 8 did, and almost succeeded. There was no storyboard of the trilogy, everything is inconsistent. You can't blame J.J for trying to iron some of the problems out.
“You can’t eat your cake and have it too.” THANK YOU for being someone who uses this expression correctly!
Senseless as it may be.
@@anna-flora999 it makes sense. You can't eat something (cake) and expect to still have it. That's what it means.
Me seeing chewy die: "hell yeah raise the stakes now we have ourselves a film"
2 minutes later: "why?"
Yeah, I was kinda let down with the later reveal. I mean, they could have gone with the "passing of the torch" motif especially with Peter Mayhew's passing.
Lol, at first(for me) it came off as *"HELL YEAH CHEWBACCA IS DEAD BABY"*
Also Chewy “died” in the most anticlimactic way imaginable.
The film is so boring that we had to use the death of a beloved character to bring any interest out of this movie
If chewie had died right there. In that moment. Honesty I would've liked this movie a little more. But nope, JJ was like nah he ain't dead. Look he's alive.
I remember "Infinity War: how to actually subvert expectations" now it's "Endgame: how to actually end a trilogy"
How does Infinity War subvert expectations? Anybody paying attention should have known more or less how it was going to end.
Michel De Bruyn and that’s the point. We knew how it would end, we knew Thanos would win, but that didn’t matter. The film still subverted my (our) expectations on how we got to the final destination. You don’t need to have an unexpected ending to subvert the expectations of the crowd.
@@darko-man8549
How does Infinity War subvert expectations?
@@Carabas72 infinity war: how to make a depressing story about failure fun and satisfying and heartfelt. Thanos is not just evil for being evil (which is problem for a number of villains (not all)); he reacts to events with true emotion. The heroes actually nearly win and almost convinces us that they will win...twice. They only lose because they refuse to make certain sacrifices of each other, noble yet irrational. They shocked us with Gamora's near death and Gamora's actual death. I saw the snap coming and yet I was speechless, I did not expect Disney to pull of something like that. Yes I expected loss ending, but I did not expect such an emotionally breaking ending. In a way it has an unsatisfying story: Heroes get beaten and lose the stones and the villain overcomes them and wipes out half the galaxy, the end. And yet...I am satisfied and I still want more, not because I felt ripped off, but because I genuinely feel invested and desperate to know what happens next, how do they recover. The exact opposite to TLJ
I could go on and compare this all to TLj but that would another 800 words :'D
As someone else said, it's practically Empire of the 2010s.
"It's TLJ with balls" (And knows when and where to put comedy in a film)
@@darko-man8549
You do not actually know what "subvertng expectations" means, do you?
MCU fans: **celebrating about how they will get many more years of great films**
Star Wars fans watching Mickey Mouse smash it’s head into the dirt: ‘ *STOP, STOP HE’S ALREADY DEAD* ‘
Yesss!!
The difference I believe between the two is that marvel has Kevin feige as a central vision and driving force and until just now when they handed the reigns completely over to filoni Star Wars hasn’t had that they’ve had no unifying vision at all
@@michaelmayo2489 kevin feige is a nerd
While Kathleen Kenedy is not, shes only a feminist, she and those 2 sequel directors probably never watch one of the films that Lucas created
Disney didn't do this
Ya'll know that right?
Disney didn't control the production Lucasfilm did
@@mitchellhorton9382 yes, which is owned by Disney anyway, your point?
If you keep in mind that a certain Star Wars Legends author got _death threats_ for killing off Chewie, it makes sense that Disney decided to keep him.
Imaging if Thanos was defeated My IronMan shooting two lasers at once.
He kinda did that with his repulsors in Infinity War, and he lost.
That scene never made sense. So Palpatine can disable an entire fleet, but can't overthrow a girl with two lightsabers? Mace Windu did the same move, but Palpatine was just playing him.
When all the ships arrived, I was like: "This is so discount Endgame!"
Ethan Tennant Avengers theme starts playing
Ethan Tennant “I am all of the sith” and “I am all of the Jedi” is a rip-off of “I am Inevitable” and “I am Iron Man”
@@rdestroyer1511 saying I am to a villain is literally nothing new and is cliche
I think scenes like that are a cliche, I've seen many other examples, Endgame didn't invent it.
Endgame was trash though
The problem is: there's no story, everyrhing is made so that could be and end. I was watching the movie and asking myself: WTF is going on? They took the advice: show don't tell, wrongly. They showed a bunch of stuff but fail at telling a story
PS: I have to say, I loved Rey and Kylo fight, imagine that scene in the force awakens... The cliff hang for a good ep 8
I love how many BS main character powers everyone has. The whole force-ex machina to eleven is just stupid.
@Ember Strike yah, only Skywalker to "rise" was Ben Solo returning to the light, only for him to die shortly after.
@Ember Strike I think the title more referred to the legacy of the Skywalkers, but even that idea was barely entertained by the film. Honestly, that's when the title of the movie was announced I thought it was going to be an exploration of the Skywalker family line and its legacy, which would make sense since the previous film ended with Kylo Ren seemingly starting to come into his own as a supervillain. But no, that would be too intelligent!
9 billion-dollar movies last year, and only like, at most four are all that good. Stuff like this makes me apathetic towards the coronavirus's effect on Hollywood.
i hated the fight in episode 7 it make Rey far to powerful, basically made her Mary Sue at that moment, i actually liked episode 7 until that final act, it was bullshit how the fuck was she so good all of sudden, she never held or used light saber in her life, its also same bs she was able to fly falcon with ease, total bullshit again....
Rey is not good character, if Fin was focus it would been better series, Kylo was treated better he could came out as interesting complex villain
fuck Disney starwars
To be fair to the final scene, having Palpatine electrifying the ships did a good job at unifying the plots and making Rey and Kylo's job to prevent him more important, however I do agree with all the points and that as a star wars film it kind of ruined the whole universe
Wrong. It's all bollocks.
That’s the only part I like, because it looks awesome