Terminator Genisys - A Guide to Making the Ultimate Boring Blockbuster | Anatomy Of A Failure
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Terminator Dark Fate might've left everybody unhappy by terminating the legacy of Terminator 2, but the movie that represents the absolute worst of the franchise is 2015's Terminator Genisys, starring Arnold Schwarzenegger, Emilia Clarke from Game of Thrones and Jai Courtney from Suicide Squad. There's a lot of negatives to be mentioned and it flopped at the box office a bit as well, but the notable thing about this film is that it is very much among the most boring big action blockbusters ever made. So in today's Anatomy of a Failure, let's look at Terminator Genisys and how it manages to come off as an excruciatingly boring movie despite featuring a bunch of loud big budget Hollywood blockbuster action.
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Terminator Genisys (2015)
James Cameron's sci-fi classic gets rebooted in this Paramount production conceived as the first installment of a new trilogy. Terminator Genisys is a 2015 American science fiction action film, directed by Alan Taylor and written by Laeta Kalogridis and Patrick Lussier. The fifth installment in the Terminator franchise, the film stars Arnold Schwarzenegger, reprising his role as the eponymous character, along with Jason Clarke, Emilia Clarke, and Jai Courtney. The film's plot follows soldier Kyle Reese (Courtney) in the war against Skynet, an artificial general intelligence seeking to destroy the human race. In a sequence of events similar to Gods of Egypt - A Guide to Making the Ultimate Trash Studio Movie | Anatomy Of A Failure everything wrong with terminator genisys honest trailer terminator genisys terminator genisys watch full movie online free 4k clip hd terminator dark fate how to terminate a legacy artemis fowl how to insult the audience new terminator movie t1000 game of thrones suicide squad terminator 2 transformers age of extinction john connor anatomy of a failure box office flop 1984's The Terminator transformers how a franchise destroyed a filmmaker, John Connor terminator genisys official trailer terminator genisys pops vs t-3000 genisys skynet ending (Jason Clarke), leader of the Human Resistance, sends Reese back in time from 2029 to 1984 to protect Connor's mother, Sarah Connor (Emilia Clarke), who is being targeted by Skynet. However, once Reese arrives in the past he discovers the timeline has been altered, and Sarah has been raised by a reprogrammed Terminator, known as the Guardian (Schwarzenegger), since her childhood.
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Terminator: Dark Fate
Director Tim Miller helmed the sixth installment in the Terminator franchise, which reunites Linda Hamilton and Arnold Schwarzenegger in a timeline that unfolds two decades after the events of the first movie. An aging Sarah Connor joins forces with a cybernetically-enhanced female soldier from 2042-and her former nemesis-to protect a young girl from an advanced Terminator model from the dystopian future.
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...do you guys think that movie will get an Anatomy of a Failure or Film Perfection?
I think it will be in the middle😄
Do a vid on Spider-Man 3 bcz it’s really really bad but also good at the same time spider-Man 3 in dance scenes in the film is there to show how bad peter has fallen to see how bad he has become he acts really bad he uses to gwen to get back at Mary Jane and he does it in a way where he tries to be cool this isn’t supposed to be funny it’s supposed to show you how peter has lost his mind and at the end where he hit mj then ran it’s a parallel to when he hit flash and ran and it was a serious moment that made him realize he is bad so then he became good again people just don’t see that
Do Power Rangers 2017
I have a VERY odd feeling that it will be an Atomy of a Failure.
Hope that it is NOT the case.
@@DzinkyDzink
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The line of dialogue we needed in this movie: "Please soldier, go back in time and Sleep with my mother."
peepoClap
half clap for this hell of line mate
"pipe her down good... k?"
@@anotherrandomtexan25 "Be damn sure not to pull out, alright?!"
With the way "romance" was made in this movie, John Connor probably thought" Fine, i will make myself, you cannot trust anyone" :).
Genysis: john connor is evil
Dark fate: john connor is Dead
"Its evolving, just backwards"
The frustrating thing is, John Connor being a conflicted villain is actually a pretty cool concept.
Terminator Resistance is a step forward.
You know what would’ve been a big and risky twist to the series, if to the point where Sarah gives birth to Reese’s baby, rather then it coming out a boy it be girl instead because a gender is always a 50/50 chance and with how many times travel has been used instead of heads it lands on tails this time on Johns gender. This would change the series greatly forcing the timeline to change and raise many questions with the characters and how they react to the massive change. It could’ve worked in a new storyline, rather then forcing in girl protagonist like what they did in dark fate, the girl John Connor is in more natural and the future is now a complete mystery because Sarah can raise her as much like John as she wants, but no matter what this new kid can’t be John Connor no matter because of her biology. It sounds like I’m making up a fanfic, but it be more original then what the hell they did with this series.
@Lord Megawin why is G̶a̶m̶o̶r̶a̶ John Connor?
I guess they hate John Connor
T1: Perfect in its simplicity.
T2: Perfect in its simplicity.
Every single other Terminator movie: "Hey, let's do T2 but way more complicated!"
Terminator Salvation: "Hey, let's try something different for once, even if it's not the best overall."
Salvation is my favorite tbh when my dad first said “hey I wanna show you terminator !” I thought it was salvation
Most ppl see terminator as strictly an action franchise but thats where T1 stands apart imo. i look at T1 as almost a uniquely awesome slasher/horror flick. T2 is where the action gets turned up to 11 & is easily one of the best action films of all time. I'd say theyre actually very similar to Alien/Aliens in this regard. Besides the incredible quality of the first two films in the franchise - i'll admit that i like certain things about Salvation & i feel it was kind of a missed opportunity. It seems like Salvation had a good addition to the saga in there somewhere, it just didnt come out right. Outside of that, i dont think the rest of the sequels offer anything of value to the fans(maybe a few cheap thrills but thats it). It all just seems so recycled. Tbh - i've never seen the Sarah Connor Chronicles so i cant judge the show.
i think if they're going to keep on pumping out these sh*tty terminator movies, than just embrace the cheese factor. How about some mashups? Gimme: Terminator vs RoboCop
Terminator vs Predator
Terminator vs Aliens
@@the503creepout7 For me Aliens is a much better sequel than T2. Aliens makes sense, they didn't try to copy the same formula, and they kept the tension and horror of the first.
T1 stands alone as the masterpiece of the franchise, imo.
I'll be generous with T3, a bit afar but acceptable
"No one asked for your opinion!"
Except the people that clicked on the video, I suppose...
RIGHT?! It's like listening to a podcast, or reading a book, and then being upset the creator had his opinions. THAT'S WAS THE POINT!! WTF? Do they also get mad at cooking channels for cooking?
@@ReasonablySkeptic I've actually seen that. People arguing about the way the presenter cooked or prepared a particular part of the meal, despite the video being titled "A new spin on an old favorite"
Or something similar, implying that the recipe would indeed be different.
Fair to say that sometimes people just suck lol
Yea lol some people are just dumb
Genisys: Tried and failed.
Dark Fate: Failed to try.
We can at least appreciate Genisys's attempt. We got to see the time machine for the first time after all.
@@eliaspeter7689 The first 5 min. of Genisys is the best part, the first 5min. of Dark Fate is worst part.
At least Dark Fate had a good soundtrack.
More like "tried to fail" and piss of fans of the legacy
Please let me die
I think terminator one is a masterclass on how to make the coolest low budget movie and Terminator two is the masterclass on making the perfect blockbuster with the perfect mix of vfx and other thing and lets just ignore the others..😁
Benchmark production/fx like T2 and Matrix set new standards that others leaned on and pimped to death.
Now there are movies with 86% green screen and "bullet time" cos "nostalgia".
Wasn't initially eager to see T2 as time travel only creates more questions the more it happens - nerds picking holes is how we got "Rogue One" (a movie to plug a "plot hole").
But on seeing it in cinema - AMAZING!!
But that was enough - UTTER TRASH since then, raping Arnie's corpse etc etc etc; sad.
Great lil thriller indy b movie thing is all it was ever meant to be - not John Connor turning into "nanobots" cos "cool effects/imagery"
Well I mean, in my world those are the only two that exist :-)
@@darrengordon-hill Plug an plot hole that was already answered by Star Wars Dark Forces (Yeah that amazing fps game that most people forget).
My idea for this franchise: Why does the terminators always following skynet? When they become evil infiltrating killers calculating for the best way to rule over something, why don't killing skynet? Why don't hunting other hunters and join some humans to lower costs of victory over them while still existing and ruling them maybe as terminator as established king and protector who rescues them from skynet?
Terminator - Iron Empires. Sounds great enough?
@@ZinhoMegaman
Because we talking movies, not games or comics etc
Many get your reference; I didn't but take your word (& its likes) for it; Merry Christmas.
Oh, if you've a SW suggestion for Xbox 360 I'd appreciate ("Battle Front", Lego - see lots of games but not sure what's good/differences).
Something like "Batman Arkham"/"Street Fighter" would be nice, no racing games
Thanks
Terminator Genesis is clearly an analogy for Hollywood's intentions: continuously reboot and feed us the same stories over and over again.
And They're too scared to innovate due to bs pandering of ethnic groups and genders/sexuality like we just need coherent characters with motivation and great progression not just a f***ing Mary sue or Gary sue... Smh
@@davea3641 They can't innovate. They only understand the external trappings of the films they're emulating.
@@davea3641 Salvation tried something new and they still didn't like it tho...
@@etam8099 Because instead of making the logical step and show us John Connor fighting the machines they focused on the half terminator human thing which was stupid
@@qqq386 Plus it wasn't a dark war story, which is how we all assume the war would be and that's what it was shown to be. They hid in sewers and did hit and run attacks, not sit in shacks to get grabbed by giant...collection things.
"Remember, Genisys is ****"
*Everyone will remember that*
Getting a Tell Tale Game vibe here!
@@epjalal895 why ??
“No one asked for your opinion”
Then why are you watching a video about his opinion?
But It's true that sometimes he act annoyingly, he tells his opinion as definite guidelines of how a movie should be & the other way is 'failure'
If every movie was formulated, then we would not got movies like pulp fiction!
@@seraj1411 People say the same thing about any critic on TH-cam nowadays to the point that it becomes even more annoying. The biggest problem with the Internet nowadays is that everyone acts like if someone has a slightly different opinion than me about something he/she automatically becomes a shelf egocentric full of himself kind of person that I would proudly block his account.
People have different opinions and views about things and at least for me is nice to see them, think about something that I've never realise before or seeing something from another perspective, even if I don't agree with everything they say, for example, I personally think that his video about the Bumblebee movie is full of shit, but I still enjoy his other works.
He also said something quite hypocrytical.
This movie did try something for itself. It tried comedy and mixing in a twist, it failed but it was far more original than Dark Fate. Dark fate not only copies what was already proven to work in 1 and 2, it also took a gigantic shit on the best movie of the entire Franchise .
Id say Dark Fate is the worst of the bunch because of it basically stealing the best beats of an already existing movie and defaming it at the same time
@@londonworkman7617 he doesn't say anything about the plot here, only the construction of the movie that makes it boring. And I do agree.
@@seraj1411 maybe he doesn't like Pulp Fiction? Why everything has to be spelled these days, of course all of the content he creates is his opinion. How could you even consider it differently? Geez people.
Ultimately, they made the mistake several failed big movies made. They gave away the big reveal IN the trailer. Showing that Conner was turned into a machine in essentially every ad killed the only real thing they had that set it apart from the franchise.
it's really
mind boggling how they could do that
@@exactlywhatisaid only movie that did worse was Skyscraper with Dwayne Johnson. The ad essentially WAS the movie.
I never saw the trailer or was spoiled on the movie and still found it boring.
Kingsman 2 trailer spoiled the return of Harry, and it was still a great movie.
It happens so damn often. And it’s so unnecessary. Even bloody evil.
Old movie trailers managed teasing people into theaters because they wanted to know how the story would play out.
The Castaway trailer is one of the best examples of destroying your own climax and real tension by showing the ending first.
ironically, until half of the video you just basically said the same thing again and again
Yeah, that was a need. It's unfortunate, but there's no other way to effectively convey this.
most of his videos are like that and even tho he misses a lot of points, you can still learn a lot
@@Tone_Of_Dials yeah but it wasn’t exciting though. I remember seeing the first one first time and being on the edge of my seat and crapping my pants. This one was just meh it’s ok cos Arnie was it.
Makes sense considering that the problem with this movie is that it does the same thing again and again
@@cebolla3922
For some reason, I remember seeing you before lmao.
I'm still thinking on why the producers wanted a Robotic John Connor so much. They tried twice, the first time the fans let it pretty clear that was a bad idea, and they tried again.
Filmento: I think-
Filmento haters: *See that’s where your wrong*
Grammar Nazi: It's you're wrong
@@TekkLuthor Actually, it's "It's "you're wrong""
@@JeroenBrattinga
Technically your reply should contain single quotes.
It's just a comment. Not everyone is good at being grammatically correct without having to think about it. I'm pretty sure that's grammatically incorrect but I won't fix it.
One of the few movies, where the Arnie terminator doesn't heroically sacrifice himself.
No he sacrifices himself. He just gets thrown into magical Terminator healing juice.
But he actually did sacrifice himself by holding "John" in the running time machine knowing that "Only organic tissue can is allowed" rule is going to destroy him as well. It just happened that he accidentally fell into miraculous liquid metal pool that somehow recovered and upgraded him.
Also one of the few movies where the Arnie terminator is actually the villain... For like, a minute before the older Arnie shows up. I'm tired of them doing this, just make him the villain again.
All of you guys forgot about Salvation
@@evgenkhersonets880 I thought he was a villain in that movie
I spent a solid year after this movie came out trying to remember if I had seen it or not. I remembered pirating it when it came out, and being excited to see it beforehand... then nothing. Just static in my brain where the memories of this movie should be. To this day, I'm still not 100% sure if I watched it or not.
I felt the same way about the RoboCop reboot LOL started watching it at a friend's house and realized oh I've seen this already, The Originals way better
this is exactly the same way i feel about t4
This is eerily the same experience I had.
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I had actually read this in German and was wondering "okay, something is beside something else that is beside another thing but what's the point ?"
Then remembered i had to think in English :p
Is this onomatopoeia?
It keeps starting over
Sounds like this film needed Elizabeth to show up while leading Kyle along a pier, telling him "There's always a safehouse. There's always an arrest. There's always a vehicle chase. There's always a T-1000 rescue." Suddenly the movie might have had some depth, haha.
That just reminded me of a monster movie parody(which I forgot the name) that poke fun at the classic monster movies while still being fun. The protag return to his hometown only to find out it is being attacked by a mysterious monster and his father reveals it has been happening for generations in the town. The monster always came around the same season, there is always a doctor who refused to believe the monster is real, there is always a girl to save and fall in love with, someone from their family lineage always has to defeat the monster, and the problem is no one else ever remembers the attacks or death ever happening once the monster is defeated.
@@laisy961 That movie is called "Monster!" (1999) and I watched it one night when I was in college, I really liked it and I hope I can see it again someday because I heven't found it online. There's also the fact that only the father (or grandpa I think) knows that it's happening but the monster has a different weakness every time the monster comes.
@@Johnnywilsonforever yup that's the movie. Would like to find the movie again
@@laisy961 yep, and don't forgrt that the police or army show up only after thr monster is dead.
I think it sounds like what you were really looking for is: "There's always money in the banana stand, Michael."
This movie has put people to sleep after they just woke up. Thats a nice accomplishment and as someone who suffers from mild insomnia, its appreciated.
It's good to have on white you are doing something else.
@@chasehedges6775 Nah. Too loud.
@@ryanergo754 didn't anyone show you how the remote works?
@@DJSockmonkeyMusic For me to fully fall asleep, I need to fully comprehend how boring the movie is. So the sound is necessary. Otherwise I wont fall asleep fast enough, which is the only reason I see this movie for.
it took me many tries to finally finish that movie...
i wanted to see it at least to know where they were taking the story....
it was really a waste of time
I can’t seem to understand why you are so underrated? Your videos actually make me require to use more than 3 brain cells, unlike most other TH-cam videos. Your reason and the way you explain stuff is so interesting and that really makes it enjoyable to watch your videos. You balance humor with priority and I respect that a lot. Yet, with how good your content really is, people decide to watch 0 brain cell sh*t like reaction videos, over this. I really hope that soon your channel becomes more recognized because in all seriousness you deserve so many more subs.
the algorithm has failed him
why god why
@@megugu2155 I'm new and I love his analyses
Couldn't have said it better
@Khairun Nisa Filmento: Anatomy of an Adult failed site
Bc people would rather watch stupid mindless 30 sec clips than use 3 brain cells. Sadly.
this kind of writing is very akin to an episodic kind of writing you find in tv shows. where every episode there is a new twist that sets our heroes back, and so everything gets re-explained
Once Upon a Time is probably the worst offender. Every single season same reset button, but with a different presser.
@dusanv3585 the once upon a time on ABC channel?
Other thing that ruined the film was the casting: Jai Courtney felt so muscular to be a guy raised on a post nuclear wasteland (at least Michael Biehn had a credible look on the OG movie) also they tried to go MCU style with pseudo humor and jokes that didn’t went anywhere. Also Emilia Clarke was acting so out of character (nothing compared to Linda’s Sarah Connor in first and second movie). And finally that John Connor felt overacted (even Bale was credible as Connor)
God the casting was awful! Jai's portrayal of Kyle was almost the complete opposite of how the character was portrayed in the first movie. None of the heart or tragedy, just a dumb, joking buffoon.
Y'all need to shut your dirty mouths! Jai Courtney is the greatest actor of this... or any other...
No. Sorry. I can't even finish that load of crap.
Christian Bale could have been the definitive Connor had the studios not pussied out and dumped that storyline.
I'd be pretty pissed if I'm starving and somehow Kyle Reese has packed on 30 pounds of muscle. Like when I see fat people in a post apocalypse environment. Yo goober, you stealing all the rations?
I said the same thing years ago! Kyle should be a guy who's malnourished, not looking like a gym rat.
It's a shame Ducktales is ending, it's such a great show.
Are you serious? It is?
Wait, is it really
@@chinmayasinghrawat4622 Yeah, it's on it's last season right now, apparently the creators feel it's at a good stopping point.
really? It's a little kids show, how good can it be? would you recommed?
@@Gadget-Walkmen are you serious?
The old Terminator movies..as Arnold said here in Genysis... are *"old, but not obsolete"*
I agree with you on what you say about the opening to Terminator: Genisys. They really should have just played things as a simple reboot, and then bit-by-bit revealed how things were different this time around. Instead, I'm sure that someone had the bright idea that they need to be inclusive for people that are new to the franchise, which means a 20 minute opening scene that painstakingly explains everything that those viewers need to know - you know, the information that people learned through watching the movie when they explained it much better during the original The Terminator film.
One movie that does the "is it a reboot?" subterfuge is The Thing (2011). At first you think it might be a sequel, but then it keeps treating things as new. When you start thinking it's just a reboot, suddenly it's doing things differently, setting up moments that reveal it to have been a prequel all along. It's not the best movie, but I respect it for trying something different by keeping movie goers in the dark for so long.
I'd much rather learn things myself by watching the film than sit through a 20 minute primer. Imagine if any of the Alien films started off with a Resident Evil movie-style narration of the entire backstory?
Imagine spoiling the big twist of your movie in the *first* trailer of your movie, which executive thought that was a good idea
imagine, if they showed some cool action scenes and then mid way in the trailer they show pops killing john and it just cuts to black and then we see only Kyle and sarah fighting some mysterious nano tech terminator. that would have been awsome
@@pulkitdhanraj130 that's what trailers should always do, provide you with intrigue so you want to see the film to find out more. Not give away the giant twist, anyone with 1 brain cell could figure that out. But somehow these types of trailers still get made
@@Cuzjudd but you would be still interested on the how and why tho
I only have this to say: I'm glad I skipped out on this movie, along with Dark Fate.
Wait theres more Terminator Movies After T2?
This movie is memorable to me cause it's the last one I went to theater to see. Oh the regrets
It's all streaming afterwards
I saw genesis on Netflix. It was awful
Didn’t watch dark fate because I had a feeling it wasn’t going to be all that but I did watch genysis and boy was it not compelling. It did have a lot of great immersive effects and cool visuals at times and I’m glad for at least that to see.
This movie was the reason I didn't watch Dark Fate, it completely killed my investment in the series.
I remember a friend from America that said this after watching T2 decades ago "Damn, that was so intense.. I'm so exhausted"..
I think that's why T2 was the best Terminator movie or even the best action movie of all time, that movie just succeeded to bring viewer to their movie world, both feel and it's atmosphere..
T1 was the best, much better than the sequel.
Jai Courtney is a pourposeless, passive shell that the movie needs to carry. Yeah, that sounds about right.
Guy is awful, can't act.
And Arnolds ultimate weapon is a bracelet with Magnets on it. Cough.
This franchise’s time travel rules is more confusing than the whole Metal Gear Solid plot imo
Mgs?
@@censormyth8786 The Metal Gear Solid games
@@censormyth8786 savage
I agree it was way more confusing.
"Skynet, what have you done? You changed the future!! You've created a
T I M E P A R A D O X"
This movie was a classic example of “planning with the end in mind”. By not making a standalone story and playing coy with details that would make this feel more satisfying, we’re left with a beginning or more like a prolonged first act instead of a real three act film
They keep making the same fucking movie.
Here to say, I'd prefer the boring Genesys over the insulting Dark Fate.
"I love how you state your opinion as fact." Hmm... it's almost as if Filmento's opinion is based on common, indisputable rules of film-making that objectively separate good films from bad films.
Imagine getting mad that a TH-cam film critic stated his opinion on a movie
I Dunno man, if Moviebob would shut his mouth the world would be a much better place.
"It's your opinion" is the shittiest "argument". You are basicly saying you have no logical rebuttals, but you need to say something anyway because someone is contradicting your held opinions and saying "your mom" is too cliché.
Nah, no worries. Filmento handles it like a gigachad he is.
@@MazTheOriginalGodLogical fallacy. To imagine anyone online cares to have an honest conversation to better understand someone’s perspective, and That it is not just another circle jerk for people to post their opinions as if it were facts.
It’s your opinion, Is the ultimate ending.[>
Imagine thinking that someone posting the words, “it’s your opinion,” must MEAN that they have malicious intent to upset someone instead of simply sharing their thoughts on the matter. Someone posts these words in this order, it must mean that they are pissed. Imagine [>
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Why am I always gifted with seeing the most underrated comments?
@@iamthesenate5769 because the underrated comments decide your fate
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Despite some flaws I think the Sarah Connor Chronicles was the best continuation of the terminator movies.
It had good terminators learning how to human, it had evil terminators doing the standard get Connor bit but importantly, it had several terminators on missions to prepare the way so there was *always* a route in “the past” leading to the development of some version of Skynet increasing the stakes.
Heck there were even evil Infiltration model terminators that started to wonder about their mission because the were exposed to humans for years.
To bad it got a bit of a shoddy ending.
"i hate this movie but i dont know why"
-watches filmento-
"oh right....great video"
Last time I was this early the Terminator movies were still good.
Man 29 years ago is some time
Last time I was this early Arnold was the bad guy.
I blame the collapse of Betamax
@@nateofthesevenhills
Little worse than mainstream Arnie/Eddie Murphy...
Twins is fire
Kindergarten Cop I can watch
Junior killed the mystique
True Lies too little too late
T-movies - raping his corpse
Guess I'm watching Red Heat soon - thanks for the memory
@DarkSpino306 They haven't been good since 1991.
Do Terminator Salvation. It's that one Terminator movie that has so much to offer but at the same time, you can't quite figure out why it's just an "okay" Terminator film and not an amazing Terminator film like the first two.
making it PG 13 was definitely one of many hindrances
I can save you the time: I was an _awful_ movie though and through.
@@dtkedtyjrtyj actually it wasn’t
@@ninjanibba4259 Ah, so you're in the "it's atrocious" camp. I can respect that.
@@dtkedtyjrtyj well I'm in the "good ideas and nice looking film but executed poorly" camp, plenty of people like that film
I love having NOT watched a movie and then watching a video explaining why I made such a good choice. Thank you so much for validating my life choices!
Haha I can relate 😁
@@josephsalmonte4995 yep
The trailers of this movie literally revelead everything there is to it, but if they didn't I would've skipped it anyway, let the audiences rest for a while this franchise is so burned.
Terminator keeps doing the same shit over and over, Salvation is easily the best after Terminator 1 and 2 because it didn't do the same shit
The overused and milked to death *Im from the future, here to prevent bad shit from happening* Genisys and Dark Fate destroyed the franchise.
I want another terminator movie in the future, a Salvation sequel, or something like the comics
I agree. Salvation is far from great and deviates too much from the future we'd seen in the previous movies but it is still far more entertaining than 3, 5 and 6 as it at least did something different. If they insist on continuing the franchise then the future war is where it needs to go. Not yet another terminator travelling back once again to try kill a Conner again so Arnie can say he'll be back again over and over.
All other terminator movies besides 1/2/4 are just rehashes of Judgement Day, and Dark fate literally is a remake of T2 but with some changes.
@@frank8917 I even had an own plot in mind, a horror Terminator movie like the original thats set in the future. 3 soldiers stuck underground but then realise they are not the only ones stuck.
THERE, way more interesting than Dark Fate and Genisys.
@@frank8917 Unfortunately, Anton Yelchin died... I liked his young Kyle Reese, he actually looked the part.
OMFG I just realized I've watched this movie before and I didn't remember until I saw a couple of scenes from the movie in this video XD This movie is so forgettable!
Lol same
Same, except I was super baked in the cinema which probably made it seem way better than it was lol
@@rumrumrumrumrumrum iwant this
Yes, I know I saw this but cant remeber a thing. Only that a part of it happened in San Francisco, I think.
8:50 I...did like that whole backstory section, that part of the movie was basically the Terminator movie I always wanted, essentially Salvation but with actual large scale battles and more than 3 terminators throughout the whole movie...
There's also the fact that I watched it with a friend that knows almost nothing about the franchise and the whole recap helped me explain to him the entirety of the timeline so far, but that's not the reason I liked it.
I don't know why but the constant replay of that man just shutting down in his head just dropping his 😂😂
Damn it Filmento. I was about to go to sleep.
@Kiran Sadhu You beat me to it haha!
& me!
I still can't get over that John Connor looks like Chandler fuckin' Bing
I didn't even realize that until you said it. He definitely didn't look intimidating enough
Whole movie was awfully miscast.
If you're like me and didn't see the trailers, seeing old Arnold with the "you won't need clothes" was actually pretty exciting, honestly.
I knew CGI Arnold was coming back from the previous (or maybe even before previous) film where they had him like uh, on an assembly line or what have you. But old Arnold was news to me.
I found very funny when people come to a very technical storytelling analysis video, with... You know... Technical talks about things that are done or not professionally... And they say... Just your opinion... Is like color theory is just an opinion. Or good grammar. Great content as always!
I love how the movie has four villains, two of which die in the first 20 minutes and one of which only on screen for 30 seconds.
I didn't even notice the final villain until someone pointed it out to me the second time around...at the reveal.
Who was the fourth? I only remember three of them: the evil T-800, the Asian T-1000, and Terminator John Connor.
Matt Smith's complete nothing of a character.
@@christopherregan1654 There was also the proto skynet. Played by... Benedict Cummerbunds ? I can’t remember. It was red and vectory and only existed to force an open end for a sequel. (of course).
Well, it will probably surprise you then, that Hannibal lector has 15mins of screentime in the whole movie Silence of the Lambs ... it’s not the amount of time that matters
It sounds like Genisys' plot would need more screentime time to be shown properly. Like, it would've been better split into multiple movies, or else something like a book series or tv show. That way you can create a stronger overarching plot that can give the multiple resets in the overall story the time to be fleshed out properly. Like, make the first part of Genisys' story set in the 80's a whole movie by itself and have it end with preparing to jump into the future, which would then be a sequel. I mean, one the biggest problem with Genisys IMO is that it feels like two or three movies squeezed into the runtime of one.
Genisys was planed to be the first in a trilogy. So that “overloaded and undercooked” feeling may have been resolved if they had made the intended sequels. Or they might have screwed the whole thing up even worse a la Last Jedi. But they did seem to set up a bunch of stuff that never resolved, like who sent Pops into the 1970s and why, because they were going to deal with resolving all of that later.
I'd still rather watch this then 'dark fate'.
the movie was made more like a tv series
There's an easier way: Cut the filler and/or rewrite the script entirely LOL
"They found a great young Sarah Connor.."
No, they didn't.
I love Emilia, but she was not a good choice.
@@akosleoszilagyi2529 Yeah can't say Clarke was a great Connor.. Then again ,casting Jai Courtney didn't help either.
To me this is STILL something I’d watch again as opposed to dark fate.
This movie didn’t feel like it was intended to try and hurt the previous movies while dark fate felt like it was doing it on purpose trying to put it’s self on a pedestal it didn’t deserve.
Can you please do the rush hour movies?
Even tho Genisys had it's fair amounts of flaws (And personally I didn't like some of the actors involved). But yeah.. FAR better than dark fate. that movie dragged bored and put me to sleep!
Genisys is better than people give it credit. Its worse sin is the dialog is so bad in some scenes. The acting isn't the world's best either. But storywise it's pretty good and handles the near impossible task of continuing the story in an interesting way while handling the mounting logical issues of a time travel series perhaps as well as possible. Yes, as with most fans, I think T1 and T2 are best thought of as standalone movies. But for me, Genisys is more interesting than say T3 was.
This destroys the timelines for the characters
The 5 destroys the characters inself
*The second terminator film is the best*
I gotta disagree on that one....
Nah the first one
Definitely, the rare sequel that surpasses the original.
The first one is better.
I prefer the first movie, T2 is second for me.
i already said this on the first trailer for the movie
"here is how they could have made genisys a great movie
dump the whole 2017 bs
save the twist the john is a terminator but he is not evil, he is trying to fight skynet from making him kill his mom and dad
the entire movie stays in 1984
the bad t 800 and the t 1000 team up with the t 3000
at the end of the movie, john regains control of his body right before he almost kills kyle
he then saves sarah and kills the bad t 800 and the t 1000,
pops helps john build a time machine for john, and john goes to the future again and stops skynet by sacrificing himself
then the movie ends with a old sarah and kyle looking at john with his family (it would be a remake of the cut ending from t2)
boom, good sequel for t2"
it could have worked.
John being sympathetic with Skynet, or a terminator based on his likeness being the villain, is actually a pretty cool idea with lots of potential, but having no way of him being defeated by his heroic counterpart or redeemed by himself or his parents is painfully unsatisfying. Hell, even being redeemed by a reprogrammed terminator would be interesting.
Again, great idea and much better than the actual movie.
My favorite thing about this channel is how it can criticize all of the recent Hollywood trends in a way that doesn't come down to "oh fucking SJW's, fucking wahmen, fucking nonwhite people in major roles" like holy shit does every movie critique channel has to have to be about social justice whatever the fuck that is. Then I discovered this channel which actually breaks down the film in a way that doesn't devolve to political discourse. awesome stuff
" I dont need saving"
Progress bar moves backwards 😂😂😂😂
Terminator salvation imo is the best terminator sequel after T2 judgment day
I honestly prefer Terminator 3. Not a good film, but at least a somewhat entartaining one.
Agree. For all its problem, it did something original in the franchise and is entertaining.
No feminism in those years
@@jotasm6630 which is ironic because the female antagonist on that film is a way better female representation than the "strong independent woman" characters these days. I remember that film for the T-X. She was really good in that role.
@@titocristobal5573 Yeah, she actually succeeded killing a target... Unlike most of the other Terminators
The whole movie lived up to the actual name. The whole film was filled with a series of beginnings. Maybe the next Terminator film can be titled Terminator Revelations
Why do we need a backstories when we have 3 older movies with all the backstory you need?
"Boring" sounds about right. I actually fell asleep twice during this film (one of these times being in the middle of the fucking climax). Yeah...
"if we can just take a look a decade back..... to early 2020"
Lol i feel you man. This year does feels long as hell
This reminds me of Jupiter Acsending where things are repeating too.
Repeating and spewing exposition that takes a quarter or third of the runtime. With the main character being a "passive protagonist".
@@mysticmind4563 And a bad copy-pasta from The Matrix
@@mysticmind4563 Oh, repeating or spewing exposition for a third of the run time with a passive protagonist is TIGHT!!!!!!!!!!
You have just explained to me what I felt but couldn't realize while watching this movie
"Remember kid: Genesys is [RACIAL SLUR AGAINST THE IRISH]"
I enjoyed wathing this before. Now looking back, kinda took back my words a little
Yeah same I thought the movie was good back thn. Now watching this video, I changed my mind 😅
@@censormyth8786 Funny how that works. First, you enjoy it, then, as time passes, you hate it.
Don't let some youtuber control what you think
@@MrRBX wdym. His points are valid
@@MrRBX he isn’t controlling what they think, he is just pointing out the flaws of the movie and where it fails. It is then up to the individual to decide whether or not they still like it despite its flaws. Like for toy story 4, I really like that movie but many people hate it because of its flaws. Once I learned it’s flaws, I decided that I still like it. It’s up to each person to decide if they still like the movie. I used to like the transformers movies but they get so dumb and boring that I don’t like them as much anymore although I still enjoy some scenes from them. So Filmento isn’t controlling anyone.
The days that Filmento uploads are happy days, now I've got movie's on my mind, thanks man
No way, Dark fate is unwatchable, with Genesys I enjoy the actors at least
agrii..
My biggest issue was them making John Conner the antagonist. The entire franchise was surrounded by keeping John Connor safe, becoming this amazing leader, which he did by defeating Skynet. So we spent years appreciating John and following his story, just to have him become a T-3000? I left me feeling cheated and annoyed.
People who comment ”tHat’s yOur oPinIon” are ridiculous.
You clicked on someones video. What else did you expect?
expectations: title is just joke robot man cool genesis spelled with y cool boom boom
reality: filmento.
I'm not saying that you are wrong or that Genisys is "dumb, but fun" movie, but at least it was entertaining unlike the other boredom fest which was the Dark Fate.
Dark Fate was an insult to T2. It should be erased from the canon story of Terminator. Genesys may have been insult to our sense, being unable to stimulate them at all, but at least it tried to do something different. I can respect it in that way even if I'm bored beyond belief by it. But Dark Fate, my dear heavenly shit, it was so bad and it killed off the entire reason why we are still having hope for the Terminator series. Good job to whoever greenlit that attrocity.
I was going to say that - after everybody shat on genisys as the worst thing seems (fill it here) I actually watch it in netflix and it was fun in its dumbness - of course, at this point had negative expectations and this always helps
I too find Dark Fate more boring than Genisys. Genisys had piss poor performances and a stupid story. It's a toss up as to which is worse.
@@titocristobal5573 Genisys didn't do anything different it was the same Terminator story the only difference was that Kyle & Sarrah then went forward in time. Salvation is literally the only one to do something different
I respectfully disagree. I like Dark Fate more than Genisys. But Genisys was spot on with that Android-like OS being Skynet in disguise.
You know what's weird? Is that if Kyle and Sarah didn't conceive John back in the 80's, how would he still be alive in the future to come back if they time traveled to 2017 without conception?
Detective O'Brien: "Goddamn time traveling robots! Covering up their goddamn tracks! I knew it!"
...it doesn't feel like this movie deserves a line that is this good and so perfectly delivered.
Jk Simmons and Arnold shwarznegger are the best part of this movie
This movie feels like the karmic balance to LotR: Return of the King. One never stops ending, the other never stops beginning!
At least ROTK did not repeat the same ending over and over like how T:G repeated the beginning and middle over and over.
Can you explain further?
I'm actually a Terminator Fan, I really liked all the movies, including Dark Fate and Genesys. But also as an skeptical I can see WHY people hate it, and at the beginning of the video I was liked "It isn't that bad", now that I think about it, every time I'm watching the movie I don't see it completely from the beginning, because I can see now that honestly it is BORING.
X2 the first time I see it I was incredibly excited in the beggining because we get this little of Kyle relationship with John.
That he's not just a random soldier and that John knew it all along the way, and how he "died" while Kyle was going in the machine
To me the main attractive of the movie was
"Is Kyle going to die?"
@@waypoint732 That's a true thing, maybe that was like the purpose of the movie, but the production team didn't make it correctly I guess
In your It vs It chapter two video, you told us that the reason why It chapter two wasn’t scary is because of the knowledge we already have, could you explain to us why we don’t feel that way when watching the grudge trilogy, despite knowing everything about the monsters? Could you walk us through how to make a perfect horror movie sequel without losing its main sense of fear once , in the grudge’s case the dread of inescapability!
Just wanted to say that I always appreciate your videos Filmento, so don't let Twitter get you down. Love what you do!
“Yeah, well, that’s just, like, your opinion, man.”
Yeah of course it is... Yeah
I, read that, in, William Shatner's, voice.
Only thing I cared about in this movie was Emilia Clarke
The most offensive thing about this film is not only that it shits on the beloved original timeline, but it undermines the entire mythology of the Terminator world, in which the lesson has always been that you CAN'T change the timeline. All the previous films essentially establish that no matter how hard they try, time can not be altered, and their attempts to change time ultimately fail and lead to the same outcome no matter what. That is actually the only type of time travel that makes any goddamn sense, so it was a hallmark of the Terminator series that they had a more serious approach to the subject while other time travel movies were doing this kind of goofy multi-timeline shit. For Genisys, they're just like, "fuck it, let's throw out the entire established time travel concept, and just do a new timeline, because wouldn't that be fun." No it's not fun. The essential of Terminator time travel lore is that IF they could have successfully postponed Judgment Day, then there wouldn't have been anyone to send back in time to postpone Judgment Day, so if at any point it becomes possible to change the timeline, then it ceases to make any sense whatsoever.
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I, for one, really appreciate your videos. They help me understand why I like a movie or not; giving them more thought. If these were just "your opinions" I would not be able to learn how to analyze movies I like and dislike
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Thank you and thanks very much for watching!
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Now that I watch this analysis, I realized that one way to fix it would have been to make Genesys into a trilogy (or at least two films). Then, as long as there's some kind of emotional payoff before each major resets, each film becomes a proper complete story. Then you can also have include each reset as a BTTF style cliffhanger to get the audience coming back for the next film. I wouldn't be surprised if this was the original plan, but then executive meddling or budget problems forced them to make it as one movie.
It wouldn't fix all the problems, but it would fix the main structural problem, and give them a chance to make adjustments to the later films so they don't feel too same-y.
Yea, it really felt like they were trying to cram a redo of the first two movies and add a threequel all in one movie's runtime.
I feel it _was_ the first movie in a trilogy, only the rest aren't going to be made because they unfortunately weren't able to tell the (very good) story well enough to get funded for 5 and 6.
7:50 now that is kind introduction we need about sponsorships..😆
Genisys: "we completly destroyed John Connor and his legacy".
Dark Fate: "hold my time traveling machine".
This is ironically the only terminator film where Arnold doesn’t die
@@molek2262 been for nearly 3 years
Hey, I liked Dark Fate...but the greatest idea about the movie they didn't explore it. The idea that a machine can be "free" once their mission is completed. Would have been great to explore that thread.
One of the rare times that I'm in partial disagreement with you. I thought Genysysys wasn't as bad as Dark Fate. It was about on par with T3. Not a good movie, but not the worst Terminator. I couldn't stand Dark Fate though. It was one of those movies that I only pushed through so that I could give an honest opinion about it knowing that I had actually watched the whole thing. All of the others entertained me on some level. Good video though, you bring up some interesting things.
Lol I love his in between backstory/sponsored content moment xD
How did Jk Simmons know about Sarah Connor if in the beginning of the film they kill the 1984 terminator which means the LAPD slaughter never happens ?????
This is interpretation on how to improve the movie: number 1 we split the movies up into 3 films, this is how. First delete the entire beginning just like the video said, begin with Kyle Reese and young Arnold, do the plot twist of the “new timeline” with pops and Sarah, but instead of having the t-9000/John as the villain, it just goes with young Arnold and T-1000 as the villains, and instead of going forward in time to 2017 we just stay in the 1980s. In the end they destroy both terminators while barley making it out of alive. Now here’s the pitch for the sequel, which probably would have released in 2019 same time as dark fate did. It takes place in present day 2019 with the now family of Sarah Connor, Kyle Reese, John Connor, and upgraded pops, who are now aged and played by their original actors. The plot is about how their family slowly grew apart over the years. There won’t be just one or two villains, instead skynet is sending multiple terminators to the future/2019 to terminate other important people who had an effect on the war. Thus the Connor family have to destroy these terminators before they terminate other people, and it could even have a bunch of old terminator enemies such as(the TX, a T-1000 played by Robert Patrick, T-600, T-850, and more) with a whole bunch of new and cool terminator robot designs. As the Connor family travels the world and saves people, and destroys terminators, they learn to be a family again. Okay the final and third film would’ve probably been waiting to be release in either 2021 or maybe 2022(because of Covid-19). The third one starts out, with the Dyson company deciding to restart the sky net project, this time with “better control and software” and rebranding it as Genesis. They advertise it to the world, everyone downloads, judgment day is on the verge of happening again. The Conor family goes to put a stop to this, and then the T-9000 appears, this time appearing as this humanoid figure, and tries to hunt down the Connor family. It acts very curious and violent, then in the second act it becomes the typical heartless killing machine, and some where around the third act it starts to develop a very evil/serial killer personality, and it starts to enjoy killing. Anyway the movie ends with upgraded pops sacrificing himself to stop the T-9000 and to stop Genesis by exploding the building like in T2 and then it ends on the Connor family riding on the. Road but instead of night it’s daytime. Sorry for all the bad grammar and punctuation, now this isn’t everything that would be in it, this is more of just a skim of major plot events.
I'm not going to lie, that was the best segway into any ad i've ever seen
My one enduring memory of this film was when I went to see it in the theater, and when Sarah throws the truck door open and says "come with me if you want to live" there was almost no reaction from the audience. It was so obviously meant to be the point where everyone was supposed to be shocked and go "aw shit, this ain't yo DADDY'S Terminator!", and all it got was a few mumbles and annoyed groans because everyone realized we were basically just watching Terminator fanfiction at that point.
I love that one comment that Filmento puts up on screen, where a guy is like "NO ONE ASKED FOR YOUR OPINION", and I'm just sitting here like, "dude, you clicked on his video. WTF did you think you were going to get?"
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Charles Puruncajas ^
The movie is actually based off a comic book rather the original Frankenstein novel or movie, though I don’t know how accurately it follows it.
This
There is plenty more wrong with Dark Fate than just killing John at the beginning. OK, so no John Connor and no Skynet, that means we are finally doing something new, right? NOPE, everything is functionallly the same but with different names, Skynet is now Legion, John is Dani, and Kyle Reese is Grace. What's the point?
Who the hell puts Doctor Freaking Who into your *TIME* travel movie and then not use him somehow?