@@tech_evolved Maybe but for $200 and you can play any game. That's a hell of a deal. CPUz bench has the 1650v4 equivalent to an i7 8700k. Toss in a rx 6650 xt and you're looking at a budget build under $450. It's exactly what I just did. I went from an i5 2500k system to a z440 with 1650v4.
Lets see..... Running on buggy chinese motherboard that doesn't even use x99 chipset. Running on dual channel instead of quad channel to negate the 12th gen fast memory advantage. Not to mention a good x99 chip board will run it at 4.0 all cores with correct bios options. You're missing the point... Use slower GPU or use 1440P or 4k.... Tons of money could be saved.
@@AtifSheikh totally agree, most of these cheap chinese motherboards have zero oc and memory timing features, also they are not using the c612 or x99 chipset intended for the xeon 2600 v3s and v4s, also nowadays u can instead buy the e5 1660 v4 who has 8 cores / 16 threads for 40 usd.
This was a hugely unfair test if we're being honest. X99 is notorious for being heavily depedent on memory bandwidth, and deliberately NOT utilizing its capabilities is like benchmarking a Ryzen 3000 with 2133CL20 memory and saying it's trash.
Your point here is mute. I recommended the 1600 based on upgradability not speed. I'm sorry if you bought the 1650 and are trying to justify a dead platform but that's on you.
@@tech_evolved Moot* And no apologies needed, I have a system you can't afford. My axe to grind is that you're doing deliberately shitty testing and passing it off as objective to misinform people because of, what can only be assumed to be, preconceived bias.
Bruh, lets not start being cringe now. Crazy you think I have preconceived bias on a system I don't use and for a company I don't get money from. I'd believe an argument that I'm an intel shill because of how many videos I've done on them. Sorry to say but I prefer not misleading viewers into buying something that at the time was terrible value and just doesn't make sense when there's a way better platform. I hope you figure out how to live with this info. I'm sure your system I can't afford will keep you warm on the cold nights.
which is better 2666v3 or 1650 v4 for games, and which one can extract an rx 6600 to the limit 100%? I know that Xeons weren't made for gaming but I just asked
1969 single thread benchmark with the E5-2666 V3 with a clock speed of 2.9 GHz and a turbo speed of 3.5 GHz, using 135 watts with 10 cores and 20 threads. There's 25GB of L3. 2123 single thread benchmark with rhe E5-1650 V3 with a clock speed of 3.5 GHz and turbo of 3.8 GHz, using 140 watts, and 15GB of L3 with 6 cores and 12 threads. It probably depends upon the title, but when single core performance is important, the E5-1650 V3 is probably preferable. If it's a title where more cores are able to be utilized, maybe not? I'm throwing a cheap moderate gaming rig together and I snagged the E5-1650 V3 on eBay for $14. I may eventually purchase an E5-1680 V4 for the motherboard when they're less expensive (around $56 right now), but I don't plan on doing heavy gaming or require high settings on the newest titles, so the E5-1650 V3 should suffice well, especially with its higher clock speed. The best overall gaming Xeon X99 CPU is probably the E5-1680 V4. The single thread ranking is 2322 and it has 8 cores and 16 threads, 20MB L3, 3.4 GHz clock speed and 4.0 GHz turbo. That's probably the overall best gaming option if you're willing to spend a little over $50.
On aliexpress 1650v4 sells for 20-25$ and inexpensive X99 motherboard another 40-50$. For a cheap build that costs the same as a shitty socket 1700 Celeron's it’s not a bad result to be 20% behind the 12400.
is 35$ x99 motherboard and 25$ e5 1650 v4 good deal?. i ordered this build for a total of 190$ including rx 580, 16gb ram and 480gb ssd, 2 fan aio but still havent arrived yet.
The moment I saw the price tag of the xeon I remembered the R5 1600AF that I recently bought for the same price. As you mentioned, the problem with these xeons nowadays is socket AM4. You can buy a cpu+motherboard for less than a 100$/€/£ and it will still perform worse than the i5 but better or at least the same with the Xeon. Only if you start overclocking on the X99 it starts closing the gap but the power consumption is also much higher than the 1600(af)
That is for sure. I feel AM4 was the death of the x99 platform for budget systems. Considering an x99 board is around 100 while b450 is around 65. Plus AMD provided a huge upgrade path as well. I’m thinking of doing a video on the r5 1600 vs e5 1650 to get a good picture.
@@tech_evolved I agree. Up until the Ryzen 2000 generation, X99 still made a lot of sense. After that the IPC gains as well as the platform advantages (e.g. PCIE 4) made the AM4 a much clearer choice. X99 makes little to no sense for gaming nowadays as it is not cheaper and it consumes much more. Perhaps it has a good value for money when it comes to productivity with the 10,12,etc core models. I would be very interested in a comparison of the e5 with the r5 so I would really like to see it if you eventually end up making that video!
Currently the 1650 v4 is roughly 15 dollars. You can buy an aliexpress motherboard for 40 dollars and ram for 20 bucks. That's closer to 75 bucks which is the price of JUST an am4 motherboard currently.
Eh, if you can get it cheap enough, why not? About to pickup a HP Z440 system with the same CPU and 16gb ram for $125. Have a old rx 580 sitting around and my girlfriend is currently interested in some light PC gaming. Figured this would make a decent (sub $200) entry level rig. If she stays interested I'll get her into Ryzen lol
you're lucky i got z440 for 600 dollars it has the e5 1650 v4 32 gb ddr4 ram x2 ssd 240 gb and hdd 2tb and 700w psu without a gpu i had the rx 570 then and i removed it now and got the 5700 xt that i got for 210 dollars and i regret paying that much for the workstation
@@eladeditingfactory681 dang man! How long ago did you buy this? Oh, and what country? I just picked up a Lenovo p500 system for $150 with free shipping from eBay. W2135( 6 core up to 4.5ghz on lga 2066) 16gb of ram and a 900w platinum PSU.
If you're going to buy an X99 Xeon, make it one of the real beasts. Mine's an E5-2699 v3, 18 cores at 2.7 GHz base. Single-thread work loads are so-so, but running all 36 threads is impressive. I paid
Trouble is with these you’ll never find a cheap motherboard that supports V4 Xeons and they locked them out for general support unlike haswell, sandy etc effectively killing the 6th/7th Intel platform in one fowl swoop. That said I just picked up a P510 think station for £155 with a 1650 v4 and 32GB ram which I’m looking forward to testing, ace video as always 🙏🏼
Yeah the price of x99 boards just kill it when compared to b450's. Still its not a bad processor. If Ryzen didn't exist, I would be recommending it for gaming.
worth it i had it paired with rx 570 4gb and it did just fine with valorant and any fps game now i upgraded the 570 to 5700 xt and it's even doing better now 1440p no probleme
Just won a asus rampage IV extreme with a intel xeon e5 1650 and 64gb ram ddr3 corsair dominator at 1866 mhz quad channel for £44+£9 postage on ebay auction I only bought it to build my enthusiasm retro gaming PC. I have an old geforce titan to pair Hopefully all my old games, i can play them on all maximum details without any issues I checked on asus website and can't believe but this motherboard have window xp support Can't wait to see windows xp on 6 cores and 12 threads with 4gb ram in quad channel In the weekend I'll throw them into a chinese pc case with rgb fans, put the 1TB SSD and I'll be back with an update
You can go with other options like the I7s. I'd say it did fare ok for its age. I have a I7 6800k in mine, and I'm ok with having 20 fps less at 1440p. The only reason I would upgrade is for video editing. Gaming it still serves me well. It's like gaming on a 6700k.
I think you're misrepresenting the value of these xeon CPUs. You shouldn't be buying the the used parts seperately, rather you should focus on old business workstations such as the HP Z640, which have the CPU, motherboard, 32GB DDR4,case & 900W PSU all included. Typically they can be had for less than ~$100.
considering that 12th alder lake have a very powerful IPC, xeon performs great in gaming. compare it to 11th gen and down and maybe you'll get a very similar performance. 12th gen demolish 11th and down
I’d love to see you bench this against the i3 10100. This thing probably smokes it but the i3 has windows 11 support and some other nicer features of being on a newer platform. Maybe even throw in the 10400 to see the Xeon come in between in performance? Love the videos keep up the awesome work. Excited to say I was here first when you blow up
Lol. Not when you can pick up an entire 1650 v4 system with 23gb ram for $100-$150. Then it makes sense. Anyone with an elitist gaming mentality wouldn't be looking at the 1650 in the first place. It's still a good 1080p choice for a budget build.
Eh. I don't think any price is too high to choose x99 rn. Upgradability be damned if my whole system costs as much as an entry am4 mobo cpu and ram at normal used prices. Machinist pr9 costs 40 bucks, is a brand new mobo with used silicon, and you can get better chips than this one for about 20 bucks. I see better than this with 2680v4, a 20 dollar cpu now with 14 cores. I've gotten that plus cheap mogul x99 plus ram for as low as 63 usd. Combine that with a cheap used 10 series or rx580, and boom 200 dollar full cloth gaming pcs that can even handle 4k video work or other multi-core tasks wayyyy better than first gen ryzen. Even if the gaming chops are in a similar league
and here why thses new intel i3/i5/i7 are expensive and in a year time wont be worth half the price and will lost proformance so ill keep using my xeons which i have four pc all xeon and all work real well so id say ditch those new shite and stick with xeons they are the way
it's totally noncopare as of x8 pcie lane on the gpu. pretty much useless to anybody to decide what to do with it and should be first not last thing to be stated.
Why is it useless? Not like you can use PCIE gen 4 on the xeon... Plus you are going for a budget end card with this budget end CPU. So I feel it was fair.
@@tech_evolved cause we expect things to run on pcie gen 3 x16, but you are kinda comparing it to be running it on pcie gen2 x16 since gpu supprtos only x8..its more like ddr3 era
like with any piece of old tech, it'll find a niche. what niche is i don't know. i recently got something similar and an ex-workstation system so i'll be able to dabble with this sort of thing real soon. totally not looking for a way to retroactively justify it i swear.
Any moderately demanding to heavy game is going to rely heavily on good single core performance. The 12400 is simply outstanding, but X99 still offers a lot of performance with the right CPU.
You we're better off getting an 5820k Samsung B Die quad channel Ram. This is an horrible test and this loyalism to AMD not gonna end well they're not you're friend and I'm using an 6800 xt gonna get an 7900 xtx.
@@tech_evolved Sorry I really gotta explain myself more. I mean as the Zeigeist. I am gonna order there cpus and test stuff out myself make some videos. My experience with the FX 8350 was decent but that's an long time ago. Yes AMD always had great upgrades path and they did announce that for the Am5. I do expect an 5700x3d and an 5950x3d as the newer platform isn't selling well neither is Intel. We're in an silent depression.
You can get a z440 ready to go with 1650v4, ssd, os, 32gb of ram for around 200. Cant build a 12400 for that. Your looking probably double the price.
double the performance though. At least in cinebench
@@tech_evolved Maybe but for $200 and you can play any game. That's a hell of a deal. CPUz bench has the 1650v4 equivalent to an i7 8700k. Toss in a rx 6650 xt and you're looking at a budget build under $450. It's exactly what I just did. I went from an i5 2500k system to a z440 with 1650v4.
Lets see.....
Running on buggy chinese motherboard that doesn't even use x99 chipset.
Running on dual channel instead of quad channel to negate the 12th gen fast memory advantage.
Not to mention a good x99 chip board will run it at 4.0 all cores with correct bios options.
You're missing the point... Use slower GPU or use 1440P or 4k.... Tons of money could be saved.
@@AtifSheikh totally agree, most of these cheap chinese motherboards have zero oc and memory timing features, also they are not using the c612 or x99 chipset intended for the xeon 2600 v3s and v4s, also nowadays u can instead buy the e5 1660 v4 who has 8 cores / 16 threads for 40 usd.
@@scupkinghow much fps on Fortnite and apex
In Pakistan you can get a dell 5810 with e5 1650 v4 along with 32gb ddr4 ram and a 500gb ssd and still save in the same price of i5 12400f
Wow.
This was a hugely unfair test if we're being honest. X99 is notorious for being heavily depedent on memory bandwidth, and deliberately NOT utilizing its capabilities is like benchmarking a Ryzen 3000 with 2133CL20 memory and saying it's trash.
I think I recommended ryzen over x99. Didn't say it was trash, there's just better.
@@tech_evolved But it was a deliberately kneecapped testing. And you specifically recommended the Ryzen 1600, which performs objectively worse.
Your point here is mute. I recommended the 1600 based on upgradability not speed. I'm sorry if you bought the 1650 and are trying to justify a dead platform but that's on you.
@@tech_evolved Moot*
And no apologies needed, I have a system you can't afford. My axe to grind is that you're doing deliberately shitty testing and passing it off as objective to misinform people because of, what can only be assumed to be, preconceived bias.
Bruh, lets not start being cringe now. Crazy you think I have preconceived bias on a system I don't use and for a company I don't get money from. I'd believe an argument that I'm an intel shill because of how many videos I've done on them. Sorry to say but I prefer not misleading viewers into buying something that at the time was terrible value and just doesn't make sense when there's a way better platform. I hope you figure out how to live with this info. I'm sure your system I can't afford will keep you warm on the cold nights.
why didn't you utilize quad channel?
the 1650 isn't performing at its best
This Xeon system would be even better with some more RAM. Running it in dual channel mode is just handicapping the system.
which is better 2666v3 or 1650 v4 for games, and which one can extract an rx 6600 to the limit 100%? I know that Xeons weren't made for gaming but I just asked
1969 single thread benchmark with the E5-2666 V3 with a clock speed of 2.9 GHz and a turbo speed of 3.5 GHz, using 135 watts with 10 cores and 20 threads. There's 25GB of L3.
2123 single thread benchmark with rhe E5-1650 V3 with a clock speed of 3.5 GHz and turbo of 3.8 GHz, using 140 watts, and 15GB of L3 with 6 cores and 12 threads.
It probably depends upon the title, but when single core performance is important, the E5-1650 V3 is probably preferable. If it's a title where more cores are able to be utilized, maybe not?
I'm throwing a cheap moderate gaming rig together and I snagged the E5-1650 V3 on eBay for $14. I may eventually purchase an E5-1680 V4 for the motherboard when they're less expensive (around $56 right now), but I don't plan on doing heavy gaming or require high settings on the newest titles, so the E5-1650 V3 should suffice well, especially with its higher clock speed.
The best overall gaming Xeon X99 CPU is probably the E5-1680 V4. The single thread ranking is 2322 and it has 8 cores and 16 threads, 20MB L3, 3.4 GHz clock speed and 4.0 GHz turbo. That's probably the overall best gaming option if you're willing to spend a little over $50.
On aliexpress 1650v4 sells for 20-25$ and inexpensive X99 motherboard another 40-50$. For a cheap build that costs the same as a shitty socket 1700 Celeron's it’s not a bad result to be 20% behind the 12400.
is 35$ x99 motherboard and 25$ e5 1650 v4 good deal?. i ordered this build for a total of 190$ including rx 580, 16gb ram and 480gb ssd, 2 fan aio but still havent arrived yet.
That is a good deal! I was actually planning an update pc build including x99 xeons because the price has dropped so durastically.
The moment I saw the price tag of the xeon I remembered the R5 1600AF that I recently bought for the same price.
As you mentioned, the problem with these xeons nowadays is socket AM4. You can buy a cpu+motherboard for less than a 100$/€/£ and it will still perform worse than the i5 but better or at least the same with the Xeon.
Only if you start overclocking on the X99 it starts closing the gap but the power consumption is also much higher than the 1600(af)
That is for sure. I feel AM4 was the death of the x99 platform for budget systems. Considering an x99 board is around 100 while b450 is around 65. Plus AMD provided a huge upgrade path as well. I’m thinking of doing a video on the r5 1600 vs e5 1650 to get a good picture.
@@tech_evolved I agree. Up until the Ryzen 2000 generation, X99 still made a lot of sense. After that the IPC gains as well as the platform advantages (e.g. PCIE 4) made the AM4 a much clearer choice.
X99 makes little to no sense for gaming nowadays as it is not cheaper and it consumes much more. Perhaps it has a good value for money when it comes to productivity with the 10,12,etc core models.
I would be very interested in a comparison of the e5 with the r5 so I would really like to see it if you eventually end up making that video!
just buy a HP z440 or Z640 comes with 700-900 psu and everything else you need just add SSD and GPU boom
Way too much AMD fanboyism
Currently the 1650 v4 is roughly 15 dollars. You can buy an aliexpress motherboard for 40 dollars and ram for 20 bucks. That's closer to 75 bucks which is the price of JUST an am4 motherboard currently.
A max overclocked 6950x keeps up very well. Beats a 3700x in basically everything and takes a 5700x or higher to beat it 😅
Eh, if you can get it cheap enough, why not?
About to pickup a HP Z440 system with the same CPU and 16gb ram for $125. Have a old rx 580 sitting around and my girlfriend is currently interested in some light PC gaming. Figured this would make a decent (sub $200) entry level rig.
If she stays interested I'll get her into Ryzen lol
you're lucky i got z440 for 600 dollars it has the e5 1650 v4 32 gb ddr4 ram x2 ssd 240 gb and hdd 2tb and 700w psu without a gpu i had the rx 570 then and i removed it now and got the 5700 xt that i got for 210 dollars and i regret paying that much for the workstation
@@eladeditingfactory681 dang man!
How long ago did you buy this?
Oh, and what country?
I just picked up a Lenovo p500 system for $150 with free shipping from eBay. W2135( 6 core up to 4.5ghz on lga 2066) 16gb of ram and a 900w platinum PSU.
@@d.7303 2 years ago in morocco
If you're going to buy an X99 Xeon, make it one of the real beasts. Mine's an E5-2699 v3, 18 cores at 2.7 GHz base. Single-thread work loads are so-so, but running all 36 threads is impressive. I paid
Trouble is with these you’ll never find a cheap motherboard that supports V4 Xeons and they locked them out for general support unlike haswell, sandy etc effectively killing the 6th/7th Intel platform in one fowl swoop. That said I just picked up a P510 think station for £155 with a 1650 v4 and 32GB ram which I’m looking forward to testing, ace video as always 🙏🏼
Yeah the price of x99 boards just kill it when compared to b450's. Still its not a bad processor. If Ryzen didn't exist, I would be recommending it for gaming.
You can just buy a Dell Precision Tower 5810. Native support for v4 Xeons with any BIOS A12 and later.
Just buy z440 motherboard and you can case swap.
Bro did you check ali express prices
Yes my i7 - 5930K is happy runnning my RTX3060 ti.
Good content! May I know what is the average fps for Valorant? Planning to get this CPU and a 240hz monitor. Thanks
worth it i had it paired with rx 570 4gb and it did just fine with valorant and any fps game now i upgraded the 570 to 5700 xt and it's even doing better now 1440p no probleme
Just won a asus rampage IV extreme with a intel xeon e5 1650 and 64gb ram ddr3 corsair dominator at 1866 mhz quad channel for £44+£9 postage on ebay auction
I only bought it to build my enthusiasm retro gaming PC.
I have an old geforce titan to pair
Hopefully all my old games, i can play them on all maximum details without any issues
I checked on asus website and can't believe but this motherboard have window xp support
Can't wait to see windows xp on 6 cores and 12 threads with 4gb ram in quad channel
In the weekend I'll throw them into a chinese pc case with rgb fans, put the 1TB SSD and I'll be back with an update
The xeon 1660 v4 is far better and holds up very well
I bought x99 + 1650 v4 , what ram should i put for gaming ecc for server 2400mhz or non ecc desktop 2400 mhz ram ? And is non ecc works with me ?
You can go with other options like the I7s. I'd say it did fare ok for its age. I have a I7 6800k in mine, and I'm ok with having 20 fps less at 1440p. The only reason I would upgrade is for video editing. Gaming it still serves me well. It's like gaming on a 6700k.
the actual hard things about buying used cpu is find a good used mobos,nearly impossible if you live out side the US or china
facts!
I'm doing just fine with my Dual Socket 2.66ghz Xeon X5650 Hexacore(6)HT
I think you're misrepresenting the value of these xeon CPUs.
You shouldn't be buying the the used parts seperately, rather you should focus on old business workstations such as the HP Z640, which have the CPU, motherboard, 32GB DDR4,case & 900W PSU all included.
Typically they can be had for less than ~$100.
considering that 12th alder lake have a very powerful IPC, xeon performs great in gaming. compare it to 11th gen and down and maybe you'll get a very similar performance. 12th gen demolish 11th and down
I’d love to see you bench this against the i3 10100. This thing probably smokes it but the i3 has windows 11 support and some other nicer features of being on a newer platform. Maybe even throw in the 10400 to see the Xeon come in between in performance? Love the videos keep up the awesome work. Excited to say I was here first when you blow up
Unfortunately I don't have the i3 anymore but I will have another comparison of this processor soon. Thanks for the support!
Lol. Not when you can pick up an entire 1650 v4 system with 23gb ram for $100-$150. Then it makes sense. Anyone with an elitist gaming mentality wouldn't be looking at the 1650 in the first place. It's still a good 1080p choice for a budget build.
I can't tell the difference once your over 35 FPS.
So who cares it one plays at 70 FPS or 200 FPS the human eye can't notice the difference.
It's actually 24 fps dummy
@@tech_evolved Oh did not know that.
I play Red Dead 2 and AC Valhalla on a PS4 and it runs smooth and it can't get over 30fps I would guess.
Eh. I don't think any price is too high to choose x99 rn. Upgradability be damned if my whole system costs as much as an entry am4 mobo cpu and ram at normal used prices. Machinist pr9 costs 40 bucks, is a brand new mobo with used silicon, and you can get better chips than this one for about 20 bucks. I see better than this with 2680v4, a 20 dollar cpu now with 14 cores. I've gotten that plus cheap mogul x99 plus ram for as low as 63 usd. Combine that with a cheap used 10 series or rx580, and boom 200 dollar full cloth gaming pcs that can even handle 4k video work or other multi-core tasks wayyyy better than first gen ryzen. Even if the gaming chops are in a similar league
and here why thses new intel i3/i5/i7 are expensive and in a year time wont be worth half the price and will lost proformance so ill keep using my xeons which i have four pc all xeon and all work real well so id say ditch those new shite and stick with xeons they are the way
Im commenting for the algorithm
Why not make a video with the same cpu, but overclock it.
And then see waht kind of results you will have.
it's totally noncopare as of x8 pcie lane on the gpu. pretty much useless to anybody to decide what to do with it and should be first not last thing to be stated.
Why is it useless? Not like you can use PCIE gen 4 on the xeon... Plus you are going for a budget end card with this budget end CPU. So I feel it was fair.
@@tech_evolved cause we expect things to run on pcie gen 3 x16, but you are kinda comparing it to be running it on pcie gen2 x16 since gpu supprtos only x8..its more like ddr3 era
Most lower-mid ranged GPUs this gen and last gen run on PCIE x8. I would say that it was a fair test because of this fact
A i5b13400f better chouce for budger pc
xeons are better than any i3/i5/i7 in my option cheap and cheerfull goodness
like with any piece of old tech, it'll find a niche. what niche is i don't know. i recently got something similar and an ex-workstation system so i'll be able to dabble with this sort of thing real soon. totally not looking for a way to retroactively justify it i swear.
Any moderately demanding to heavy game is going to rely heavily on good single core performance. The 12400 is simply outstanding, but X99 still offers a lot of performance with the right CPU.
Why people confuses core speed with single core.! Its the effin core speed and better IPC thats makes the difference in some games.
You we're better off getting an 5820k Samsung B Die quad channel Ram. This is an horrible test and this loyalism to AMD not gonna end well they're not you're friend and I'm using an 6800 xt gonna get an 7900 xtx.
How am I loyalest to amd? I have so many videos praising things about both companies. I’m a loyalest to what makes sense… like better upgrade path
@@tech_evolved Sorry I really gotta explain myself more. I mean as the Zeigeist. I am gonna order there cpus and test stuff out myself make some videos. My experience with the FX 8350 was decent but that's an long time ago. Yes AMD always had great upgrades path and they did announce that for the Am5. I do expect an 5700x3d and an 5950x3d as the newer platform isn't selling well neither is Intel. We're in an silent depression.