New video idea for you sir duncan : Make a video about the criteria of ranking csgo players at an all time level, and then based on that criteria, rank your top 10 csgo players of all time, it would be interesting to see what your perspective on this would look like. Pls like so he can see this comment
gotta love thorins ability to explain all of this, because usually you just hear people say "just practice and you will get better". and yes that is obvious. but the way Thorin breaks it down and his analogies being on point helps a lot. so thanks Thorin
“just practice and get better” is actually not only obvious, it’s incorrect. If you do not practice the right way, you won’t get any better. This applies to anything
Recent got level 10 on faceit, but going to try this approach as I’m always looking to prove, and all the principles described I know work in practice from other sports, will update my progress
@@impulsive1252 haha guess I’m guilty of forgetting to post updates, but what I can say is that the approach I took was for a full week just doing one type of firing, and would do this on DM servers with the main weapons (AK M4 and Deagle) First week I did only tapping, second week only burst fire (tried to make it no more than 4 bullets, preferably 2 or 3 bullet bursts) and on the third week I did full sprays. I found that as mentioned in this video, that short term my aim did suffer a bit in games that I played, but after doing this 3 week routine and then going back to a normal routine of deathmatch which involves doing 100 kills of each type, I would say it took a few more weeks of this but I did notice that felt a good improvement from where I originally started, particularly in tapping as that was the area I personally was least capable in. Upon reflection I could do it again and adjust my routine to focus more time on my weaker skills and less time on my strengths. But overall I did think this was a good approach to change up the typical non-planned DM sessions I would previously do. Sorry this is a bit long but hope it is of use :)
@@dunemeister5718 Have you thought about applying the utility or game knowledge drills, like saving flashes or playing different types of positions strictly in MM or faceit games. Great to hear that you improved.
@@benedictly1571 Silvers do the same thing every single round even when it doesn't make sense. Because they don't know the reason they are doing it or why they shouldnt do it. Thats why they are silver
@@LooseToots Yeah, it's also why when people start getting gamesense and kinda leveling up skillwise, they start saying things like "silver is the most hardstuck rank" and "silver is actually the hardest rank" it's because the beginning processes of truly getting good at CS (i mean getting good in the sense of being able to carry yourself and play the correct fundamental way) is one of the most difficult things in CS because it's so cerebral and you almost have to change your whole mindset as a person. Maybe not but that was my experience.
@@v.l.p.611 You don't have to watch the sport to understand analogies. I've never watched a game of basketball and I understand what he is talking about just fine.
I love how you talk about this sort of thing! Because at the peak of it, when you're in that tense moment of a game, when you aren't panicking, and you're FEELING what to do, and the right decisions FLOW through you, and you are just riding the moment like any surfer rides their waves, allowing the wave to carry them on and not trying to force the wave to go this way or that way; THAT is the peak! and it is a feeling matched only by the relief of a full bladder in the morning. I am so happy for this. :)
There's a lot of great advice here that would apply to basically any aspect of self-improvement. I appreciate that your approach is grounded in practical steps and deliberate actions with a designed purpose.
1. A lot of this reflects in consistency. Many players, myself included, will notice that once they top out at a certain rank, they will be very inconsistent in their play. Some games you will dominate, most you will okay, and some you will feel like an absolute bot. That's because few of us ever take time to analyze ourselves when it comes to what we are doing right and wrong. It's easy to assume you're just better than the opponent and you're doing things right when the opponent is just failing to punish your stupid decisions. Vice versa, it's easy to blame other people for your own failures by assuming it's your team's fault or because they enemy players are just so much better than you. 2. A lot of this advice is very difficult to follow through if you're playing soloQ. Watching your own demos is almost a waste of time if you don't have a solid team playing with you where you're coordinated and have good comms. A lot of matchmaking games are based on people making random plays and being punished for mistakes. People try different things and whatever works wins the rounds for them. Unless you're coordinated, running counter-strats or even working together with your teammates is incredibly hard. It will teach you certain skills that are useful, but it will also hold you back from using teamwork. Obviously this advice is for individual improvement over team work, but a very important part of getting better at CS is learning to play with your team which means asking for flashes, being in positions to trade, setting up cross-fires, and coordinating takes/re-takes. That takes a lot of practice and determination.
I wish you would write a book Thorin. I would love to read it, as I’ve gotten older and started to care about your CSGO content as well as your league content over the years, I really do value your contribution to esports, esports journalism and the broad esports community.
He already did one about cs 1.6 jears ago. I gona check if I find it Edit. There are some reddit links about it but there are like 5 years old and don't work and the official site dosent work sad it's called the art of counterstrike
Been following Thorin for years, mainly for CS. This is one of his best videos. There's tons of small things and details we (most people) neglect to train or notice bad habits that need to be improved. I've been struggling for years and even though I know what I need to improve upon I still fall back to my comfort zone when I play mm. My biggest problem is that I panic because I don't want to die without getting a kill or doing something meaningful so I play too passively or sometimes I just start tilting because I lost a few easy kills and start playing worse and worse as I don't think through what I'm doing. Mechanics can be trained much more easily but gamesense, positioning and being able to stay calm, focused and think what's happening on the server at all times takes not only more hours but considerably more brainpower. That's why you will find lower tier players with great aim (1v1 servers) and they play like bots on competitive matches.
Amazing insight Thorin, I loved your talk previously about people "just wanting to win". Definitely going to take all these insights away and apply it into my game. Thank you.
i actually did this when i was a kid. i restrained myself from spraying guns because i was so bad at headshots so what i did was just go for taps on the head. and damn less than one month i got invited to play with my country’s national team in crossfire at their lan cafe. sad that i didnt have the balls because i was just a kid and i knew my parents wouldnt let me. what im saying here is what thorin is saying actually works.
For people looking to apply these to Valorant, I took this from the video: -- Start with the basic plays - don't try and be Stewie2k/JW immediately. I.e. hold angles on Defenders, push with the team on Attackers etc. -- Keep your money in line with your team - but also try and keep your equipment in line with your team. -- Experiment with saving abilities for post plants/retakes. i.e. save a breach flash, save a Sage slow etc. -- You may initially go down in rank playing this safe style - but stay with it. -- Find your warm up - NBK with 50/100 kills with each main weapon in CS. -- Be strict with yourself - If you are practising burst fire in a game DO NOT full auto if you get the chance, re-position and burst again. -- Try playing the most common spots, see the counters - what works against you, what you can do to counter the counters etc. (This may be even more crucial for valorant given the widely varied number of counters that exist for each spot) -- Play all the roles in the game = play all the heroes in the game. And play them RIGHT, don't run in and entry every round as sage - don't camp with pheonix every round etc. -- Make some calls in the game -- Don't react to flamers. (I disagree with Thorin muting everyone straight away THAT is baby shit IMO, and puts everyone at a disadvantage no matter what he says) While I don't think Thorin is very good at csgo - I do think he knows a thing or to about improvement.
The man is literally an inch away from Global Elite, that would basically be Diamond 2-1 in Valorant if he isn't good then noone in this comment section is lmao
Fahad Tahir global elite isn’t actually good in the scheme of things, obviously better than 99% of the players. But it’s only face it level 6 pretty much and there are lots of players who are above that
I've gotta say that this advice is really nice for all games and I appreciate hearing your thoughts on improving in a lot of competitive games and sports.
This video has actually been quite useful, lots of useful tips from someone with the experience and knowledge to back up their talk. One thing I have found with being flamed is to sometimes just tell the person who flaming you that they are right, cause ultimately they 'know' in their head they are right and won't accept otherwise. It can even lead to them being less toxic at least in that game. Also sometimes there is a bit of truth in what they say
Thorin, you legend! Videos like this (same as the Roles in Counter Strike, You are Elo hell etc.) should be downloaded and watched daily by every beggining CS player. Just imagine how much would the whole scene move, if only we had the same terminology and concepts in mind, so that we could even start having conversations with more people. It is sad, that even today once you just bring up something like this it is still considered as some hardcore, deep, nerdy stuff... (coming from Czech republic btw, so maybe it is different in other countries)
@Thooorin I can tell you must know a lot about other sports to that aren’t e-sports, is this the case? That makes me like you a lot more my guy. My love for e-sports gets sparked by my passion for all the other sports. The competitive spirit and overall team aspect correlates perfectly between the 2. It helps build an understanding to a sport such as CSGO.
This makes me really happy to see. I'm not a great CS player, but I'm considered a top player in another game with a similar almost limitless skill ceiling and brutal learning curve. It's fun to notice how similar the approach in both games is. Master the basics and expand on them by incorporating certain aspects from another, much better player's game, and make it your own. I've been teaching my friends and other people for the past 2 years trying to give them direction, but very few have the drive to improve. And it follows the analogy you used. "You can give a player the knowledge, but you can't force them to think:" Becoming good has very little to do with natural skill, and more about your dedication and drive to improve. Great video, I'm gonna give people this as an example because you explain the intangibles of becoming good that most people seem to miss or ignore.
@@shadowzzcatzz5537 A game from 2010 called World of Tanks. I've played it every day for almost 7 years and I'm still learning new things and details. I'd argue not even the absolute best players have hit the ceiling of what the game can offer tactically. The new player experience is terrible though, and the game is pretty unbalanced as things stand. So I wouldn't recommend it to anyone not already familiar with it or uniquely dedicated to learning the game.
I've read a lot about sportpsychology in the past few weeks and a lot of it can be applied/found in the points you made. Very good video (not that my opinion matters 😂)
i got global for the first time 5 month ago. Since i dont have time to play that much, i decided to only play inferno, and only play 2-3 different spots (A long rotator, B rotator or B ancor). one other thing that helped immensely was to look at my teammates positioning and then pick a spot from that. Before i tried that strategy I usually awped and had 30+ kill games often, but it didn't get me over LEM. After implementing my strategy, i only awped if no one els had one and i thought it was fitting for the specific spot i was playing. Most of my games where around 18-22 kills.
@@AmbitiousAngel i don't want to be rude man but i have 5k matches on faceit been level 10 a countless amout of time in soloq, and there are a LOT of cheaters/smurfs. Basically i encounter a new steam account with insane stats (impossible) every 2 or 3 games. Its either a smurf or a cheater and both of those things are not allowed on faceit (in theory).
Lol at the dudes saying they don't see cheaters in mm when I got like 3 notifications about cheaters in premium faceit in 3 weeks. Cheating isn't always obvious rage hacks.
@@impulsive1252 I agree, but every now and then, I'll check my replays only to find they're cheating. It's not that often, and even if it was, there's nothing that I can do about it, so no need to complain. All I gotta do is try my best and I'll succeed eventually. Blaming cheats may be accurate, but it's no use to help you
HOLY FUCK THOOORIN YOUVE DONE IT AGAIN YOU LEGEND... "You can lead a horse to water but can't make them drink, you can lead a gamer to knowledge but can't make them think." FUCK THATS SO GOOD...........
People think that simply playing the game will make them better. Yes it will but you will get twice as good twice as fast. If you take just 10% of your game time. To read up on strategy, tactics and practice the fundamentals. You will also avoid reinforcing bad habits that will get you stuck at a certain level. Some things that are almost impossible to get rid off once they're cemented in your muscle memory and thought process. I went from a decent talent in chess to playing with the best in the world in bug house in just two years from actively improving. I went from silver to master in sc2 in two years. I've also been stuck being fairly shitty at league of legends for 5 years the difference is that I just play league to waste time and I actively tried to get better at the others.
1. Play DM a lot for aim 2. Play competitive a lot to understand rotations and when to be aggressive and passive 3. Learn the maps so that you can pre-aim most angles 4. Learn common smokes and good flashes. And for the love of god please learn to do right-click flashes. The one where you look high up and right-click throw. 5. Learn to communicate effectively without rambling 6. Do not be toxic under any circumstances to your teammates 7. Watch pro videos to see how they play (I like Niko's playstyle) 8. Find the settings that work for you. Try stretched, BB and even try high and low sensitivies. You'll know which one you like most. Same with crosshairs. 9. At the higher levels when you have decent aim and awareness you realise a lot of CS is mental. Confidence is very important. Whatever helps you to play more confidently, do it. For me, confidence comes from playing competitive a lot and that's it.
number 8 is very true, for some reason stretch doesn't work for me, i like slow nd steady enemy movements of 16:10, And rounded crosshair's nd medium sensitivity, Finding your setting is the most important to get on a level
I just started playing CS during hte quarantine and I am stuck in silver elite (ranked Silver 4, deranked and ranked up) while learning the game. After doing hours of aim bot training and DMs, this video is the absolute best piece of content I needed to get better at this game
Well if you just started playing cs anyways even if you listen to his advice it's still going to take a while. But if you know the utility on all the maps that you play that will probably get you to gold Nova alone. Even if you have shit aim.
Thanks my boys. It's amazing how bad aim is at my level and I still lose! Just means I need to up my game. This week is improving aim and next week is for nades!
Yea i actually searched after i wrote this, he has like 3 or so with low views. I guess NBA content in YT has to contain mediocre nba 2k gameplay to succeed. I did enjoy them though...
Hey Thooorin. Just wanted to let you know I was one of those ignorant bastard who disliked you back in the days. Then a friend suggested I actually listen to you and do some research on your history. Now I have loads of respect for you. Keep up the good work mate!
I think the first thing to improve is to learn how to integrate the mini map into all your decisions. Literally everything that happens elsewhere on the map should've an impact on how you gonna play the rest of the round.
I've been playing CS for 20 odd years, at semi-pro at most alas, but this is honestly a really good video that I'll recommend to anyone wondering how they can improve. Hell, even I needed to hear a fair bit of that to hammer it into me again.
He really understands the game 😁 And I have already learned a lot from him and I swear if I could find more time for cs I could go pro with my team but time is always the problem bcs for such level you need at least 3-4 hours of practice daily or even more. I don't know anyone who has 4 hours every day to focus on cs but Thanks for all advices Thorin ❤️
I have to agree with everything he has to say. Good aim only got me out of silver, and also brought me back into silver. There are plenty of silvers that have fantastic AIM, but no matter how hard they carry, they don't win rounds and don't in matches. Having a consistent group of people to play with who also want to get better is important. You also have to start thinking, thinking a LOT and consider not just yourself but your team mates and how you can help them. Everyone wants to be a star player, but you have to start from a basic defensive support role, and slowly work your way up.
I do self practice 2-3 hours a day before I play I always do 1k kills 1 taps with ak then 500 with awp in aim bots then I hit the pistol dm for 50 kills and regular dm for like 250-500 kills. After that I go over smokes and flashes all while I watch some esl streams/recap videos and I’ve seen dramatic improvement in scrims
You should get global elite solo queue because it's really hard. After doing it you should play faceit premium or ecl & forget about mm. 128 tick is really different & the skill is above global elite on faceit. You have to learn every single flash, molotov, smoke to get to level 10 at least. Also you have to warmup, I suggest you play 3x yprac bot arena after that you play dm on a 128 tick server. Also you have to think differently, you have to lose all of your bad habits & have to learn about every possible mistake. Also you have to get a feeling about when to play agressive & when to play passive, preaim, right sensitvity for you. Felling good, I suggest a lot of sport. It helps a lot in confidence & muscle memory.
@Source Reserve Solo queing to Global isn't that hard nowadays. It takes some grinding, sure. But it'd say most people can reach Global with around 2000-3000h. And i'm sorry, but MG is a really easy rank to climb out of. And if you've really been stuck in it for 2 years then you're doing something really really wrong...
Hey Thooorin, great vid, but can you please explain why when i look at the live games in GOTV, 90% of global elite or supreme games have players with brand new accounts, often outfragging players with legit accounts on multiple K hours. What are these accounts doing in global? thanks for your help!
As a player around global rank, most games you get legit players, I would even say that there are way more cheaters in Gold Nova - DMG. But the higher ranked you get, the more your trust factor matters, I've played a few games with people in global that have bad trust, and then we got put against cheaters/new accounts
@@MariusJS yes i have low trust, even though my account is really legit(high hour, age, games, skins, friendly...) and that loe trust is killing me, every game players on 50-500 hours insta onetapping, 180 shots, insane gamesense... i am just bored, it is hard to rank up from Mge because there are just noobs with S1mple like playstyle
Kind of off topic but I heard recently that there was a CSGO pro player who has been using the AWP in really strange ways and finding a lot of success with it. I know that's really vague but if it rings any bells I'd appreciate it if you told me who came to mind.
It's not that it's harder to improve, it's just that as we get older, we have more responsibilities, so we just don't have the time to dedicate to the game. I came back after 3 years - It was much more of a grind to global this time, but after looking back that's because I play like 4 games a week maximum compared to 3/4 a day 3/4 years ago. It's not harder to improve, just hard to find the time!
I haven’t seen the video because I’m at work but I know to post the comment now so more people will see it. I’ve clocked in over 5 thousand hours in the past 5 years. My first rank was silver 4, highest rank was GE when I was playing the most. My current rank is DMG now that I only play a couple hours a week. I was never a sick AIMER, I always used my brain. Most of my best clips are of me out-positioning and outplaying my opponent’s. I knew this and embraced it. I did NOT pretend to be a type of player I was not. So, wanna get better at CSGO? Here’s what I did. 1. DM one hour every single day. No excuse. Put on something to listen to and join a DM server for an hour. The point of this is CONSISTENCY. 2. Play with Friends better or same level as you, never worse. Solo Q is fucking atrocious and a coin flip. Your friends will provide a fun and comfortable yet competitive environment. 3. Look at your Demos, see where you could improve, perfect a flash or learn a sick smoke. Get used to checking those corners and having perfect crosshair placement. 4. Embrace your playstyle, not all of us will be a KENNYS or NIKO. That’s fine! I always looked up to SNAX while playing because he had decent aim but would read his enemies like a book and that was how I liked to play. 5. Don’t get mad or butthurt when you lose. Because we will all lose, we have all lost. Not even CS PROS win every single game. Just move on and strive to improve yourself.
I'm lvl 9 faceit player (not amazing but im ok), and i'd say if you want to improve, play faceit and adjust your playstyle to how the opposite team plays, too often do i see people doing the same thing over and over again when the other team is clearly aware of it, sounds obvious but so many people just don't do this lol
you should show this tutorial to some of the tier 5 teams you had playing in your league, maybe youd get a single team good enough to get poached by epl.
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I wanna see a Thorin Supreme MM fragmovie tho
New video idea for you sir duncan :
Make a video about the criteria of ranking csgo players at an all time level, and then based on that criteria, rank your top 10 csgo players of all time, it would be interesting to see what your perspective on this would look like.
Pls like so he can see this comment
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@@qu1et361 you forgot s1mple
@@waaghghazghkull6362 nah, he is noob.
@Gary john Watt do you mean dev2ce or dev1ce?
Nope Okay I believe he’s done a written article for this but it was a few years ago. I’d certainly be interested in an updated list
Thorin with the big brain strats, knowing he’s getting the valorant viewers too
massive facts, man is smart
Wait that's me
Me ok no more spraying in valorant thanks thorin
mayhawks spraying is worse in valorant so yeah
@@r1ngil746 Is it really though? The Valorant ARs have extremely similar spray patterns as CS
gotta love thorins ability to explain all of this, because usually you just hear people say "just practice and you will get better". and yes that is obvious. but the way Thorin breaks it down and his analogies being on point helps a lot. so thanks Thorin
“just practice and get better” is actually not only obvious, it’s incorrect. If you do not practice the right way, you won’t get any better. This applies to anything
Recent got level 10 on faceit, but going to try this approach as I’m always looking to prove, and all the principles described I know work in practice from other sports, will update my progress
How did it go?
@@impulsive1252 haha guess I’m guilty of forgetting to post updates, but what I can say is that the approach I took was for a full week just doing one type of firing, and would do this on DM servers with the main weapons (AK M4 and Deagle)
First week I did only tapping, second week only burst fire (tried to make it no more than 4 bullets, preferably 2 or 3 bullet bursts) and on the third week I did full sprays. I found that as mentioned in this video, that short term my aim did suffer a bit in games that I played, but after doing this 3 week routine and then going back to a normal routine of deathmatch which involves doing 100 kills of each type, I would say it took a few more weeks of this but I did notice that felt a good improvement from where I originally started, particularly in tapping as that was the area I personally was least capable in. Upon reflection I could do it again and adjust my routine to focus more time on my weaker skills and less time on my strengths. But overall I did think this was a good approach to change up the typical non-planned DM sessions I would previously do.
Sorry this is a bit long but hope it is of use :)
@@dunemeister5718 Have you thought about applying the utility or game knowledge drills, like saving flashes or playing different types of positions strictly in MM or faceit games. Great to hear that you improved.
I started playing cs 2 years ago and I have never had so much fun improving at a video game. Great advice
Thooorin just single handedly lifted everyone out of silver to gn1
It's set up to be a big proportion of the playerbase anyway. If somehow everyone improved, there would just be a higher level of play in silver
@@benedictly1571 Silvers do the same thing every single round even when it doesn't make sense. Because they don't know the reason they are doing it or why they shouldnt do it. Thats why they are silver
@@LooseToots This is applicable all the way to Global to large extents. Pug players are braindead.
@@LooseToots Yeah, it's also why when people start getting gamesense and kinda leveling up skillwise, they start saying things like "silver is the most hardstuck rank" and "silver is actually the hardest rank" it's because the beginning processes of truly getting good at CS (i mean getting good in the sense of being able to carry yourself and play the correct fundamental way) is one of the most difficult things in CS because it's so cerebral and you almost have to change your whole mindset as a person. Maybe not but that was my experience.
The NBA analogies makes it alot easier to understand what Thorin is talking about
yep... now everyone has an AWP on dust2
Nope. Im from sweden and here we dont watch that sport. To me "kobe" was and is still, a predicted nadekill. Not a baller.
Not for people who don’t watch basketball...
@@v.l.p.611 You don't have to watch the sport to understand analogies. I've never watched a game of basketball and I understand what he is talking about just fine.
I love how you talk about this sort of thing!
Because at the peak of it, when you're in that tense moment of a game, when you aren't panicking, and you're FEELING what to do, and the right decisions FLOW through you, and you are just riding the moment like any surfer rides their waves, allowing the wave to carry them on and not trying to force the wave to go this way or that way; THAT is the peak! and it is a feeling matched only by the relief of a full bladder in the morning.
I am so happy for this. :)
I never thought thorin knew stuff about basketball. You learn something new every day. Those analogies helped me so much
Made me completely change my game perspective as a scrub. I tip my hat to you sir!
Dope ass album son
Took me 4 minutes to realize that the mysterious game “poca” he was talking about was actually poker :D great video
It's good i swear :D
I stg if he just says "get good"
There's a lot of great advice here that would apply to basically any aspect of self-improvement. I appreciate that your approach is grounded in practical steps and deliberate actions with a designed purpose.
more videos like this please! It was exactly what I needed for valorant and even how to tackle my business in life.
1. A lot of this reflects in consistency. Many players, myself included, will notice that once they top out at a certain rank, they will be very inconsistent in their play. Some games you will dominate, most you will okay, and some you will feel like an absolute bot. That's because few of us ever take time to analyze ourselves when it comes to what we are doing right and wrong. It's easy to assume you're just better than the opponent and you're doing things right when the opponent is just failing to punish your stupid decisions. Vice versa, it's easy to blame other people for your own failures by assuming it's your team's fault or because they enemy players are just so much better than you.
2. A lot of this advice is very difficult to follow through if you're playing soloQ. Watching your own demos is almost a waste of time if you don't have a solid team playing with you where you're coordinated and have good comms. A lot of matchmaking games are based on people making random plays and being punished for mistakes. People try different things and whatever works wins the rounds for them. Unless you're coordinated, running counter-strats or even working together with your teammates is incredibly hard. It will teach you certain skills that are useful, but it will also hold you back from using teamwork. Obviously this advice is for individual improvement over team work, but a very important part of getting better at CS is learning to play with your team which means asking for flashes, being in positions to trade, setting up cross-fires, and coordinating takes/re-takes. That takes a lot of practice and determination.
Consistency and self-discipline are very hard to learn, unless you learned at very young age with your parents help.
I wish you would write a book Thorin. I would love to read it, as I’ve gotten older and started to care about your CSGO content as well as your league content over the years, I really do value your contribution to esports, esports journalism and the broad esports community.
He already did one about cs 1.6 jears ago. I gona check if I find it
Edit. There are some reddit links about it but there are like 5 years old and don't work and the official site dosent work sad it's called the art of counterstrike
really appreciate this video since i've just started getting good in CSGO
Been following Thorin for years, mainly for CS. This is one of his best videos. There's tons of small things and details we (most people) neglect to train or notice bad habits that need to be improved. I've been struggling for years and even though I know what I need to improve upon I still fall back to my comfort zone when I play mm. My biggest problem is that I panic because I don't want to die without getting a kill or doing something meaningful so I play too passively or sometimes I just start tilting because I lost a few easy kills and start playing worse and worse as I don't think through what I'm doing. Mechanics can be trained much more easily but gamesense, positioning and being able to stay calm, focused and think what's happening on the server at all times takes not only more hours but considerably more brainpower. That's why you will find lower tier players with great aim (1v1 servers) and they play like bots on competitive matches.
Amazing insight Thorin, I loved your talk previously about people "just wanting to win". Definitely going to take all these insights away and apply it into my game. Thank you.
Look at Thoorin man, so inspirational 6:55
i actually did this when i was a kid. i restrained myself from spraying guns because i was so bad at headshots so what i did was just go for taps on the head. and damn less than one month i got invited to play with my country’s national team in crossfire at their lan cafe. sad that i didnt have the balls because i was just a kid and i knew my parents wouldnt let me.
what im saying here is what thorin is saying actually works.
For people looking to apply these to Valorant, I took this from the video:
-- Start with the basic plays - don't try and be Stewie2k/JW immediately. I.e. hold angles on Defenders, push with the team on Attackers etc.
-- Keep your money in line with your team - but also try and keep your equipment in line with your team.
-- Experiment with saving abilities for post plants/retakes. i.e. save a breach flash, save a Sage slow etc.
-- You may initially go down in rank playing this safe style - but stay with it.
-- Find your warm up - NBK with 50/100 kills with each main weapon in CS.
-- Be strict with yourself - If you are practising burst fire in a game DO NOT full auto if you get the chance, re-position and burst again.
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Try playing the most common spots, see the counters - what works against you, what you can do to counter the counters etc. (This may be even more crucial for valorant given the widely varied number of counters that exist for each spot)
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Play all the roles in the game = play all the heroes in the game. And play them RIGHT, don't run in and entry every round as sage - don't camp with pheonix every round etc.
-- Make some calls in the game
-- Don't react to flamers. (I disagree with Thorin muting everyone straight away THAT is baby shit IMO, and puts everyone at a disadvantage no matter what he says)
While I don't think Thorin is very good at csgo - I do think he knows a thing or to about improvement.
The man is literally an inch away from Global Elite, that would basically be Diamond 2-1 in Valorant if he isn't good then noone in this comment section is lmao
No one cares about valorant. Kids game
@@fahadtahir9942 Go watch a video of thorin playing cs
MrBusy thats such an ironically childish thing to say.
Fahad Tahir global elite isn’t actually good in the scheme of things, obviously better than 99% of the players. But it’s only face it level 6 pretty much and there are lots of players who are above that
Best info I ever heard on how to get better in CS. How to learn to learn !!! Next level !!! Bravo !!!
I've gotta say that this advice is really nice for all games and I appreciate hearing your thoughts on improving in a lot of competitive games and sports.
I love hearing you talk about the NBA, I think you have a very different perspective than "regular sports" commentators and analysts.
This video has actually been quite useful, lots of useful tips from someone with the experience and knowledge to back up their talk.
One thing I have found with being flamed is to sometimes just tell the person who flaming you that they are right, cause ultimately they 'know' in their head they are right and won't accept otherwise. It can even lead to them being less toxic at least in that game. Also sometimes there is a bit of truth in what they say
Always appreciate educational content from a veteran like you
Thorin, you legend! Videos like this (same as the Roles in Counter Strike, You are Elo hell etc.) should be downloaded and watched daily by every beggining CS player. Just imagine how much would the whole scene move, if only we had the same terminology and concepts in mind, so that we could even start having conversations with more people. It is sad, that even today once you just bring up something like this it is still considered as some hardcore, deep, nerdy stuff... (coming from Czech republic btw, so maybe it is different in other countries)
Man i was looking through his cs vids trying to see what video to watch and this comes out. Talk about perfect timing
@Thooorin I can tell you must know a lot about other sports to that aren’t e-sports, is this the case? That makes me like you a lot more my guy. My love for e-sports gets sparked by my passion for all the other sports. The competitive spirit and overall team aspect correlates perfectly between the 2. It helps build an understanding to a sport such as CSGO.
Great video, the interesting part is you can apply these concepts to many things.
This makes me really happy to see. I'm not a great CS player, but I'm considered a top player in another game with a similar almost limitless skill ceiling and brutal learning curve. It's fun to notice how similar the approach in both games is. Master the basics and expand on them by incorporating certain aspects from another, much better player's game, and make it your own.
I've been teaching my friends and other people for the past 2 years trying to give them direction, but very few have the drive to improve. And it follows the analogy you used. "You can give a player the knowledge, but you can't force them to think:" Becoming good has very little to do with natural skill, and more about your dedication and drive to improve.
Great video, I'm gonna give people this as an example because you explain the intangibles of becoming good that most people seem to miss or ignore.
What other game?
@@shadowzzcatzz5537 A game from 2010 called World of Tanks. I've played it every day for almost 7 years and I'm still learning new things and details. I'd argue not even the absolute best players have hit the ceiling of what the game can offer tactically.
The new player experience is terrible though, and the game is pretty unbalanced as things stand. So I wouldn't recommend it to anyone not already familiar with it or uniquely dedicated to learning the game.
Keep your grind STRONGG 🙏🙏🙏
I've read a lot about sportpsychology in the past few weeks and a lot of it can be applied/found in the points you made. Very good video (not that my opinion matters 😂)
It's nice to see this type of content again!
i got global for the first time 5 month ago. Since i dont have time to play that much, i decided to only play inferno, and only play 2-3 different spots (A long rotator, B rotator or B ancor). one other thing that helped immensely was to look at my teammates positioning and then pick a spot from that. Before i tried that strategy I usually awped and had 30+ kill games often, but it didn't get me over LEM. After implementing my strategy, i only awped if no one els had one and i thought it was fitting for the specific spot i was playing. Most of my games where around 18-22 kills.
Great advices and don't worry about the ranks, u'll get smashed by cheaters a lot anyway.
There's enormously less cheaters than there used to be, with high trust factor even less, in faceit premium I haven't met a cheater in 250 matches.
@@AmbitiousAngel i don't want to be rude man but i have 5k matches on faceit been level 10 a countless amout of time in soloq, and there are a LOT of cheaters/smurfs.
Basically i encounter a new steam account with insane stats (impossible) every 2 or 3 games. Its either a smurf or a cheater and both of those things are not allowed on faceit (in theory).
I mean, I play supreme level MM every day and haven't seen a cheater in months. Stop using cheaters as an excuse for losing.
Lol at the dudes saying they don't see cheaters in mm when I got like 3 notifications about cheaters in premium faceit in 3 weeks. Cheating isn't always obvious rage hacks.
@@impulsive1252 I agree, but every now and then, I'll check my replays only to find they're cheating. It's not that often, and even if it was, there's nothing that I can do about it, so no need to complain. All I gotta do is try my best and I'll succeed eventually. Blaming cheats may be accurate, but it's no use to help you
HOLY FUCK THOOORIN YOUVE DONE IT AGAIN YOU LEGEND... "You can lead a horse to water but can't make them drink, you can lead a gamer to knowledge but can't make them think." FUCK THATS SO GOOD...........
Are you ever gonna release a video of you playing csgo?
He played with vince numerous times on stream
he's a nova you don't want to see that
@@franciskid7187 if hes asian, nova is good
People think that simply playing the game will make them better. Yes it will but you will get twice as good twice as fast. If you take just 10% of your game time. To read up on strategy, tactics and practice the fundamentals. You will also avoid reinforcing bad habits that will get you stuck at a certain level. Some things that are almost impossible to get rid off once they're cemented in your muscle memory and thought process. I went from a decent talent in chess to playing with the best in the world in bug house in just two years from actively improving. I went from silver to master in sc2 in two years. I've also been stuck being fairly shitty at league of legends for 5 years the difference is that I just play league to waste time and I actively tried to get better at the others.
this was so simple but yet so useful ! Thanks mr Thoooooooooorin :D
Great Video, Duncan! Like you said, these tips and tricks apply to basically everything in life! Well presented and very educated advice!! Thanks :)
lots of truth in this video, love the insight thorin, you're a legend!
I'd be interested to see a team of dedicated players (as Thorin described) led by Thorin. Good vid!
Finally something that I can send to people who want to get better but don't know how to! To sum it up in two words, DELIBERATE PRACTICE!
1. Play DM a lot for aim
2. Play competitive a lot to understand rotations and when to be aggressive and passive
3. Learn the maps so that you can pre-aim most angles
4. Learn common smokes and good flashes. And for the love of god please learn to do right-click flashes. The one where you look high up and right-click throw.
5. Learn to communicate effectively without rambling
6. Do not be toxic under any circumstances to your teammates
7. Watch pro videos to see how they play (I like Niko's playstyle)
8. Find the settings that work for you. Try stretched, BB and even try high and low sensitivies. You'll know which one you like most. Same with crosshairs.
9. At the higher levels when you have decent aim and awareness you realise a lot of CS is mental. Confidence is very important. Whatever helps you to play more confidently, do it. For me, confidence comes from playing competitive a lot and that's it.
number 8 is very true, for some reason stretch doesn't work for me, i like slow nd steady enemy movements of 16:10, And rounded crosshair's nd medium sensitivity, Finding your setting is the most important to get on a level
I just started playing CS during hte quarantine and I am stuck in silver elite (ranked Silver 4, deranked and ranked up) while learning the game. After doing hours of aim bot training and DMs, this video is the absolute best piece of content I needed to get better at this game
Well if you just started playing cs anyways even if you listen to his advice it's still going to take a while. But if you know the utility on all the maps that you play that will probably get you to gold Nova alone. Even if you have shit aim.
Roy Macasaet Go look up ‘voo’s definitive guide to improving and all his CS content in general, valkie makes some great beginner content too
Thanks my boys. It's amazing how bad aim is at my level and I still lose! Just means I need to up my game. This week is improving aim and next week is for nades!
Am I the only who is listening to this and realizing that you can apply this to almost anything. This man is a genius
Wouldn´t mind NBA dedicated content from time to time here.
Thorins side has some
Michael Ferres aren’t
Yea i actually searched after i wrote this, he has like 3 or so with low views. I guess NBA content in YT has to contain mediocre nba 2k gameplay to succeed. I did enjoy them though...
He probably has a lot more on his second channel.
Knowing this coems from a gold nova player i appreciate your advices very much
The only thing in this video I've been doing already is the not raging in MM part. Being cold and rage proof has won me many matches.
I really wanna see Thorin talk about regular sports more! He always draws comparisons to NBA, MMA, etc.
He has a side channel where he talks about stuff like that, and other stuff aswell
Thorin : you need to be strict to yourself in counter strike...
Me : where is my fuc*ing notebook? Write that down ! Write that down Andra !
i use all theses tips, they work.they improve my game,but not my rank.
You can apply same ideas and mindset to every competitive game or even the real everyday life.
At the end of the day if you want to improve you have to put in the time and ACTUALLY practice in meaningful ways
i admire the fact you know decent knowledge on various sports and e-sports. i envy you.
This was a good one Thorin. Thanks
I thought you were saying "Porker" and I was confused af
wow! Life advice right here not just CS!
Thank you for this Thorin
Hey Thooorin. Just wanted to let you know I was one of those ignorant bastard who disliked you back in the days. Then a friend suggested I actually listen to you and do some research on your history. Now I have loads of respect for you. Keep up the good work mate!
loving the NBA references btw
Hey Thorin! I think it would be really cool to see some of your highlights! love your vids
I think the first thing to improve is to learn how to integrate the mini map into all your decisions. Literally everything that happens elsewhere on the map should've an impact on how you gonna play the rest of the round.
Thorin has so much knowledge of LoL , NBA & POKER .
So keep calm; think, practice, integrate, repeat. And go slow.
Rly good video. The tips can be used in bunch of games
kassad pls come back to the boys :(
Marcus or to Liquid
actually a very very good video thanks!
Thorin's psychology about the game is unique.
wow that was like super helpful so glad i watched this video
I've been playing CS for 20 odd years, at semi-pro at most alas, but this is honestly a really good video that I'll recommend to anyone wondering how they can improve.
Hell, even I needed to hear a fair bit of that to hammer it into me again.
Hey Thorin, I would like you to make a video about Who Is Method and the Reflection with him :-)
He really understands the game 😁 And I have already learned a lot from him and I swear if I could find more time for cs I could go pro with my team but time is always the problem bcs for such level you need at least 3-4 hours of practice daily or even more. I don't know anyone who has 4 hours every day to focus on cs but Thanks for all advices Thorin ❤️
pros actually put in 8-14 hours a day
niiwo It’s more like 8 at the very most, no one is playing 14 hours a day.
@@AndreasFunnell Pros may not practice 8 hours a day but they definitely play upwards of 8 in terms of games + practice
Thorin the type of guy - to mute everyone in the team in 1st round...
Imagine queuing in Supreme and getting into a game with Thorin, only for him to not talk and have everyone muted first round.
17:20 cs is the only game where no matter how hostile the other players on your team are they are always trying to win.
Fact.
You are not right.
Question.
Have you really ever played a csgo matchmaking game?
I have to agree with everything he has to say. Good aim only got me out of silver, and also brought me back into silver. There are plenty of silvers that have fantastic AIM, but no matter how hard they carry, they don't win rounds and don't in matches.
Having a consistent group of people to play with who also want to get better is important. You also have to start thinking, thinking a LOT and consider not just yourself but your team mates and how you can help them. Everyone wants to be a star player, but you have to start from a basic defensive support role, and slowly work your way up.
Thorin with the bold klay takes, i like.
I do self practice 2-3 hours a day before I play I always do 1k kills 1 taps with ak then 500 with awp in aim bots then I hit the pistol dm for 50 kills and regular dm for like 250-500 kills. After that I go over smokes and flashes all while I watch some esl streams/recap videos and I’ve seen dramatic improvement in scrims
Thats nice if you have that much time to warmup. I can do max 500 kills and queue up
The bruce lee version of CSGO, explains everything perfectly in detail!
loving this so much
this is a good video to improve my English learning skill,... and CSGO skill as well :)
Thooorin to chaos csgo roster confirmed
Yes more content on imptovement please!!!!!!
this is literally for everyone i've ever seen between SEM - DMG. all you fucks need to watch this 3 times
You should get global elite solo queue because it's really hard. After doing it you should play faceit premium or ecl & forget about mm. 128 tick is really different & the skill is above global elite on faceit. You have to learn every single flash, molotov, smoke to get to level 10 at least. Also you have to warmup, I suggest you play 3x yprac bot arena after that you play dm on a 128 tick server. Also you have to think differently, you have to lose all of your bad habits & have to learn about every possible mistake. Also you have to get a feeling about when to play agressive & when to play passive, preaim, right sensitvity for you. Felling good, I suggest a lot of sport. It helps a lot in confidence & muscle memory.
@Source Reserve Solo queing to Global isn't that hard nowadays. It takes some grinding, sure. But it'd say most people can reach Global with around 2000-3000h. And i'm sorry, but MG is a really easy rank to climb out of. And if you've really been stuck in it for 2 years then you're doing something really really wrong...
Thanks for doing this video
Hey Thooorin, great vid, but can you please explain why when i look at the live games in GOTV, 90% of global elite or supreme games have players with brand new accounts, often outfragging players with legit accounts on multiple K hours. What are these accounts doing in global? thanks for your help!
As a player around global rank, most games you get legit players, I would even say that there are way more cheaters in Gold Nova - DMG.
But the higher ranked you get, the more your trust factor matters, I've played a few games with people in global that have bad trust, and then we got put against cheaters/new accounts
@@MariusJS yes i have low trust, even though my account is really legit(high hour, age, games, skins, friendly...) and that loe trust is killing me, every game players on 50-500 hours insta onetapping, 180 shots, insane gamesense... i am just bored, it is hard to rank up from Mge because there are just noobs with S1mple like playstyle
@@jend4367 try faceit or esea then, cheaters are much less common there
Kind of off topic but I heard recently that there was a CSGO pro player who has been using the AWP in really strange ways and finding a lot of success with it. I know that's really vague but if it rings any bells I'd appreciate it if you told me who came to mind.
I really enjoyed this video.
I feel its harder to improve since I returned to CS at 28, I quit 5 years ago after playing all life and now I try and focus more with less effect
It's not that it's harder to improve, it's just that as we get older, we have more responsibilities, so we just don't have the time to dedicate to the game.
I came back after 3 years - It was much more of a grind to global this time, but after looking back that's because I play like 4 games a week maximum compared to 3/4 a day 3/4 years ago.
It's not harder to improve, just hard to find the time!
It's like going on a diet or saving money. Everyone knows what they have to do, very few have the discipline to do it.
I haven’t seen the video because I’m at work but I know to post the comment now so more people will see it. I’ve clocked in over 5 thousand hours in the past 5 years. My first rank was silver 4, highest rank was GE when I was playing the most. My current rank is DMG now that I only play a couple hours a week.
I was never a sick AIMER, I always used my brain. Most of my best clips are of me out-positioning and outplaying my opponent’s. I knew this and embraced it. I did NOT pretend to be a type of player I was not.
So, wanna get better at CSGO? Here’s what I did.
1. DM one hour every single day. No excuse. Put on something to listen to and join a DM server for an hour. The point of this is CONSISTENCY.
2. Play with Friends better or same level as you, never worse. Solo Q is fucking atrocious and a coin flip. Your friends will provide a fun and comfortable yet competitive environment.
3. Look at your Demos, see where you could improve, perfect a flash or learn a sick smoke. Get used to checking those corners and having perfect crosshair placement.
4. Embrace your playstyle, not all of us will be a KENNYS or NIKO. That’s fine! I always looked up to SNAX while playing because he had decent aim but would read his enemies like a book and that was how I liked to play.
5. Don’t get mad or butthurt when you lose. Because we will all lose, we have all lost. Not even CS PROS win every single game. Just move on and strive to improve yourself.
Curious about your take on burnout. I often find I’m better when I come back from a small break (a week or less)
I'm lvl 9 faceit player (not amazing but im ok), and i'd say if you want to improve, play faceit and adjust your playstyle to how the opposite team plays, too often do i see people doing the same thing over and over again when the other team is clearly aware of it, sounds obvious but so many people just don't do this lol
Ohhhh poker. Gotcha. I thought he was saying polka for a while.
bruh I couldn't understand for so long I thought he was saying porker whatever the fuck that is lmao
you should show this tutorial to some of the tier 5 teams you had playing in your league, maybe youd get a single team good enough to get poached by epl.