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- This video discusses the split between the stand up and ground in Judo and how it ultimately affected the Brazilians into becoming ground masters.
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Thank you once again for 10k subscribers.
If you are truly interested in the Judo/Tomiki Aikido connection, please contact me. I think I can help you.
Thank you man!
I like your channel dude...keep doing videos
Appreciate your work brother. Just a suggestion, biomechanics difference in application of ground and stand up might be an interesting topic. Just my personal opinion. Love your work!
@@joshuabaru2908 I'll look into it
Bro you are like a workhorse tge amount of videos you drop is crazy keep the good job
Thank you Diogo!
You're not wrong. I have a huge backlog to watch when I set aside the time. Thanks Chadi!
Agreed! Youre awesome chadi!
Hajime is a fitting name. 😉 All the same, you are way too humble. You produce very high quality videos that are worthy of wider recognition.
Thank you so much Henrik (FYI my grandfather's name is Henry)
@@Chadi That's the English version of the name. Henrik is Scandinavian. Give my regards if he is still alive and kicking.
@@henrikg1388 I'll mention him in my prayers that's all i can do.
@@Chadi I hope I didn't open up a healing wound. ❣️
@@henrikg1388 It's alright
Wow. Thank you for addressing this. Ground fighting and standing fighting are indeed different. In wrestling, we used to have an expression,"Taking things to the mat." Implying that if you want to get hardcore you take the fight to the ground. Other folks will tell you that in a fight you want to stay mobile-and thus don't want to confine yourself to the ground. Boxing was the predominant street defense for a long time because of this reason. I myself think you need to be prepared for EVERYTHING in a fight. Never limit yourself to one style and keep an open mind! Congratulations on 10,000 subscribers brother. Until next time...
Thank you Wendell
That is a pretty cool that Geo was from Kyoto I didn't know that. I think that the idea of BJJ having become it's own system, with an increased focus on the ground can be linked to a couple of factors. One of those factors is the lack of influence from the Kodokan. Since BJJ was left in a vacuum of it's own it developed in a different direction from judo. BJJ in the sportive context was originally BJJ vs Luta Romana (greco wrestling), vs Capoeira, then it progressed into being used for Vale Tudo and the fights/grappling matches against Luta Livre. Whereas at the same time Judo was becoming more organized into what would be an olympic sport, and much less used for prize fighting as that space gave way to the catch wrestling scene in Japan. I think that it is fair to say that while Judo had given a foundation for BJJ past Geo Omori, the link with the Kodokan becomes far more tenuous if not completely disconnected. I think this hyper specialization was necessary for a time in order to gain a greater generalized baseline for grappling and later MMA. When i first came into bjj Berimbolos were all the rage, then it moved to leg locks, I think the next grappling arms race has already started with BJJ's renewed interest in takedowns from both judo and wrestling. I think that given the performances in the last olympics in Judo there is a new arms race occurring in the IJF centered around newaza. I do think that it'd be cool to do a mixed rules set to bring all grappling styles together. Anyway sorry for the rant. Congrats on 10k subscribers and love the videos man, the perfect length for the commute to work.
That was a brilliant insight! Little factors here and there pave the way to a change in history
Great points.
Chuck Jack21 dude Chadi has done an amazing job fostering a martial art community on TH-cam.
It´s called Abu dhabi
@@legienterprise5307 true I like the gradient takedown scoring of ADCC
If you are able to make a Japan trip, I would also suggest you check out the Osaka branch of the Kodokan, Osaka, being very close to Kyoto it wouldn't be too far out of your way. My wife and I went to the Kansai for the cherry blossom viewing a few years back. We stayed in Osaka and traveled to Kyoto, Nara, and Mt. Yoshino. So just one more bit of advice: get the Kansai Thru Pass, it lets you travel on non JR trains, buses, and subways throuout the Kansai Reigion. (Best way from Osaka to Kyoto is the Keihan Line. I was an exchange student at Ryukoku University so I traveled on it a lot)
Thank you for the tip
The Aikido vlog would be cool. Hopefully you can do the Japan trip later on as well
Thank you I hope so too
Amazing analysis as always Chadi I am so glad that there are people like you who goes into depth about the real history behind judo and Bjj, it seems like everyone today even smart people like Joe Rogan don’t look into the real history and just accepts what they hear from the Gracie side of the story. I think the Gracie’s are amazing fighters and that they contributed a lot to the martial arts world but you are not a Gracie hater just because you states facts and I obvious lies from their side I think that you have an obligation as a martial artist to respect the origins of your art.
Thank you so much for this, i get this criticism a lot
Joe Rogan is a college dropout. He has not had much intellectual training.
I am wondering where do you even find so much information as deep as this. Man continue this and you'll inspire a lot more of us to find a judo school. 😊
You study characters and incidents and you try to connect the dots yourself
Happy 10k Chadi I'm sure there is many more coming, good on you.
Thank you very much
Thank you I’ve been waiting for this video since 1993. 💙
Welcome
Awesome and informative series of videos, recommending them to my students, while we are on hiatus.
Thank you Edward
Best channel on TH-cam by a lot! I try to tell everyone about this Chanel!
Thank you so much
Congratulations Chadi - 10,000 Well done !!! Appreciate your contribution to spreading the history of the martial arts as well as the pioneers. Your content is top notch. Would love to see your projects on Tomiki Aikido as well as Judo in Tokyo and Kyoto come to fruition. Keep up the great work!
Thank you very much
Thank you for your hard work! As usual, excellent upload. Informative and entertaining!!!
I appreciate it
I dont know why it took me so long to find this channel. Keep it up brother
Thank you Aadil
An interesting piece of early BJJ history is also how the Luiz Franca lineage apparently adopted footlocks and leglocks compared to the Gracies whose early style focused more on attacking the upper limbs and chokes. Now I'm not sure who Luiz Franca credited as his primary instructor. I think it was Geo Omori.
But it really is interesting how even early BJJ styles differed depending on the teacher/student relationship and which judoka from Japan was teaching the techniques.
Today, the individual styles of BJJ seem to be disappearing as new techniques are created everyday by someone and shared on social media like TH-cam.
My question is will sport judo ever experience a renaissance where, due to the immense popularity of BJJ and MMA, they will start changing the competition rules so that newaza techniques become more relevant than just the myopic focus on the ippon?
I think Kosen ruleset should be worldwide as well and have 2 types of competitions in judo
franca was taugth by maeda as far as we know but theres not much evidence to prove it.
Congrats on 10k mate, been on your channel for the past few months and you have yet to disappoint keep up the great work!😁
Thank you so much, it means a lot
Take it from someone who’s been there & done that... You may be disappointed by your Japan pilgrimage... there are no answers hiding there. You will find pockets of dedicated folks, training hard and piecing together remnants of distant memories of what once was or “may have been” in the minds of martial artist idealists, mixed with hobbyists and regular classes filled with people only half-there lead by instructors using fairly standard training methods. Occasionally you might come across a new technique or two but the real secret is that hard-work part, and whether you can keep yourself in that select group for life and continuously learn:improve or give in to the inner lazy voice & complacent tendency that modern conveniences drive humanity towards seems to be the real secret.
You’re already doing the work, good luck to you to keep it up!
Chadi, you are becoming a great historian and in turn a link for us modern day practitioners to the past.
I appreciate it
Keep up the great work brother. I absolutely love the stuff you put. One of the best martial arts channels on all of TH-cam.
Thank you that means so much to me
Beautiful... remember Helio and his brothers also trained under the catch wrestler... Orlando Americo Da Silva. Great research.
Yes indeed
Elio
Helio and his brothers are ex-convicts.
This is fascinating!! Thank you Chadi!
You clearly put time into the content you make, thank you
Yes I want to see the structure of Kosen!!!
Great idea my friend! This would be wonderful!
The Shotokan one would also be of interest. I like where you are taking your research!
Love your channel, I've been consuming all your work on Kosen Judo. Keep it up!
Thank you!
Great stuff as always 👏 . B4 i switched my focus to jiuitsu /judo & mma I was an avid aikidoka so i would love to see the tomiki Aikido vlog especially from the perspective/ viewpoint of someone like myself that made the same switch . I'm guessing We probably have a lot of the same or similar experiences in our budo journey. The kodokhan trip would be amazing as well if you're able to do so in the future. And if you are ever in the states on east coast and want to venture to Maryland /DC area ya have an open invite to come spar /randori/roll at my home academy /dojo for sure 👍 osu!
Thank you so much i really appreciate the invite
The Gracies favored the ground because in a one vs one, unarmed, duel being skilled at newaza ground grappling gives one an exponential advantage over anyone unskilled in newaza submission grappling. But Judo was still rooted in military mentality of quickly taking down the opposition hard and shanking them with a dagger or short sword. Or breaking their limb and taking them captive. On a battlefield BJJ newaza is suicide. In unarmed, one vs one duel, BJJ shines.
In the Army, we have Gracie Jiujitsu Combatives, I had an Infantry brother in 1997, (Pvt Welch) a Gracie BJJ Purple belt from Boston, got into fight with a bully, a folk wrestler, (Pvt Creech) and my buddy Welch had Creech's back, rear choke with hooks in, Creech was going unconscious when his buddies rushed up, someone had ran to get them, and they began stomping & futbal kicking my buddy Pvt. Welch in his head & neck. Me, Pvt Washington, Pvt Gonzalez and Pvt. Zack Boyer tried to drive them back, but they were able to get in quick stomps & futbal kicks to my buddy's head and neck. Pvt. Welch suffered traumatic brain injury, he wasn't ever same after that fight. That fight, I witnessed, changed my mind forever and I didn't pursue Gracie BJJ any further than Combatives Ground Escapes to get to my feet off the ground. Years later I went to prison for self defense and not once did I ever want to use Gracie Combatives Newaza in a prison fight. Going to the ground in prison would be suicide. I relied mostly western boxing & judo in prison. One vs One challenge Duels like vale tudo & ufc don't reflect real life self defense like I encountered in prison nor encountered growing up around violent gangs. Every fight I ever survived or personally witnessed never remained one vs one. And in prison very few were unarmed. BJJ is best in one vs one duel. Not so great in street attack, prison fight or where fights don't remain one vs one.
That's real life experience! I agree with you that Gracie Combatives ground escape + striking and some throwing is better than just bjj in a street fight.
Thats like saying i dont want to learn striking anymore because i was boxing with a guy and 3 guys came and beat me up so now im not gonna use striking anymore. Your comment makes no sense. Doesnt matter if you’re on the ground or not you have to be ready to deal with someone else interfering in a fight at any time.
I'm interested in anything you put on TH-cam your history lessons are great.
Thank you
Bjj guy here. Love ur channel. Very fascinating stuff.
Thank you Robert
Looking at your deep analysis and interest towards grappling, I think that you can complete the puzzle and draw a comprehensive system of grappling. Enjoy every video you upload. Thanks Chadi...
Thank you Davin
Thanks 2 Chadi I now have n understanding of the differences between Brazilian jj n Gracie jj
This channel is gold.
Thank you
Really love your videos, I am currently a ikkyu in judo and a purple belt in BJJ. On my free time, i like to research on BJJ and Judo kata. I love how you put some rarely touched history on these two arts. I look forward to your channel everyday.
Thank you Sam
Makes sense.
Thanks for the Historical information It's Truly interesting Thanks again
Im gratefull for this video of master helio training. Its always an honor to watch the master. Btw amazinf video, amazing content. Thank you.
Thank you Vinicius
Excellent & informative as always.
Thank you Stephen
Humility Gratitude and Accuracy. #Winningcombination
Agreed
2:39 Beautifully controled hip throw by Rorion throwing his father.
That's Rickson I believe
@@Chadi That's actually what i wanted to say but there so many of them i couldn't remember 👍🤣
Rickson is the one training with his father
Uki Goshi 👍
Best martial arts history videos.
Any chance you can look at karate roots from China to Okinawa to Japan?
I can try
Great video Chadi as always.
Thank you Jose
On another video there was an idea for having the tournament of judo and BJJ practitioners. Has that got any legs? I think it's a great idea and would love to see some vlogs on sparring sessions.
I'm not fully informed on the two arts, but unlimited time on the ground and all throws permitted would be interesting.
Congrats on your 10K subscriber success. You completely deserve it. Thank you for the education and great content!
Thank you! I proposed the idea never got a response, might reach out to others
Nice idea. The top judo guys (on the IJF ranking list) wouldn't be allowed to participate if the IJF rule is still in place
Interesting stuff as always Chadi.
Thank you Stephen
Thanks for the video I love the ending..
Reminds me of Kurosawa movie
Thank you very much
I like the ancient footage at the end for your outro... U should consider doing that for every outro 👍👍👍
Will do John
Just to set the record straight, Valdemar Santana never defeated Masahiko Kimura. Kimura submitted Santana with ude garami (aka "Kimura") in their first match under submission rules and the rematch under Vale Tudo rules was declared a draw.
Sorry i got mixed up you're right
@@Chadi No problem, just keep the great videos coming!
Chadi, you are our preeminent judoka historian. Merci beaucoup!
Thank you Mark
Chadi your vídeos are great! Thank you, I was tired to hear lies about BJJ, is a lot of false information.
I appreciate it Guilherme
Great
I have the same question why BJJ when judo have the same ground work and kosen. That get me curious and research further. Great job Chadi
Thank you Chris
Congratulations on the 10000 subs!cribers!
Hey Chadi! I like your videos sir. I was wondering, I just recently got into Grappling. The Karate dojo I go to offers jujitsu classes but with no belt system. Can you still be good at throws and submissions by practicing drills and rolling?
Uchi komi and nage komi are essential, heavily drilling throws is important if you want to master takedowns
Chadi Thanks and Oss!
Do you have an Instagram page for the channel? It's great way of promoting
For the moment no i have a personal page
It's make a lot of sense. Brazil has the largest Japanese migrant community, and martial masters came from all walk of life. Some with tokui waza in Tachi and some would prefer Ne-Waza, some were pro empire of Japan and some probably were exile. Since it was in the early day of Judo movement, and I just wonder if some Jiu-Jitsu masters had migrated to Brazil early on or later but chose not to be under Kano's banner for various reasons and had continued on with the old Jiu-Jitsu tradition.
Also, I am curious of the age and size of old Judo masters who favored Ne-Waza. From my personal experience in training and competing in both Judo and BJJ, as I am getting older, I am not as fast as I used to be and my body is falling apart, I would absolutely have no chance standing up against bigger and younger Judo-Ka/wrestler who trains full time. The best strategy for me would be just taking the thrown and land in a better position to take the back or pulling guard and slow my opponent down before going for submission. BJJ rule is designed to do just that, no throwing Ippon, no Osaekomi, no immediate Shido and a longer round. Judo-ka and wrestler are 100-meter sprinter, and BJJ practitioner is a marathon runner.
Thank you for sharing your research to the world!
That's a great analogy thank you for sharing
Brazilians favour the ground because it was shown to be highly effective in vale tudo matches. Brazilians favour the ground because sport bjj rule set awards more points for ground and submissions happen on ground. The argument is built on false premise. Helio Gracie's work is overwhelmingly standup oriented. He himself said if there's no self defense it's not gracie jujitsu. Congrats on 10k subscribers. Very well done content.
Thanks but I'm arguing from the judo stand point, how the judo they had got to them, it was of Kyoto influence, Vale tudo is a different subject. One of the big factors is the judo they learned and we can't deny it, no judo and there wouldn't even be Vale tudo.
@@Chadi I disagree because there was luta livre as well. No judo there. The judo connection is very small because what they learned is definitely not kodakan or kosen judo. It's very little.
@@joeguillaume296 then why the use of Japanese terminology in their discipline like jiu jitsu??? If it's so small??
@@Chadi tradition = function? Kano invented belt system so are we to identify every martial art that uses belts with judo?
@@joeguillaume296 ???? What???? I meant if judo or kano jujutsu played such a small role why do they call it Gracie jiu jitsu??? Why not Gracie luta or whatever???? They called it jiu jitsu cause it had a huge impact on what they know. "Tradition=function " made no sense and that's not what i meant at all
Nice to see that video. Have a like
Thank you
This is amazing I want to see everything you make. This is a missing piece of culture for all of us
Thank you!
Another great video!
Is it possible to PM or reach you? I have something I would like to discuss.
Also, question:
Why did you not include the two facts (Drysdale), that A- it is/was more cheap in poor Brazil to get a small club with few mats contain more students with more newaza rolling that to throw etc... and B- it's also more safe/easier (Kosen) to teach young students newaza as a start?
That's the big reasons!
Thanks for all your great content, and keep up the good work!
Yes you're right but it was more about the direction and emphasise ne waza and the Tokyo kyoto split played w huge role in my opinion
I just read gracie jijutsu of Hélios gracie and let me tell you i didn t find any technique that aren t from judo
I can hear the Gracies crunch.
Congratulations.
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Thank you I'm very happy
Cool vid, if i wanted to follow judo as a sport where do i start? What are the leagues or championships i can watch? Apologies i am new to judo
Ijf channel called "judo" and judogallery on Instagram
My understanding was that Maeda left Japan a few years prior to the onset of the Kosen school starting to operate under their rules, and that Kano was not a fan of the manner in which Kosen was doing things. That would seem to suggest more of a parallel development than a direct translation of Kosen to Brazil.
I don't think "parallel development" is the most accurate way to describe this. That phrase is used in situations like Newton and Liebniz both discovering calculus at the same time independently of each other, or comedians who use the same joke structure on accident. It's really hard to make the argument that BJJ didn't stem from the Japanese Diaspora to Brazil
@chadi if you need contacts when you visit Japan, don’t hesitate to get in touch. I’ve been here 25+ years and can introduce you to some interesting people in the martial arts community; BJJ, some Judo, and a very interesting teacher with a Daitoryu background.
Omg Thank you Gerald
Great channel. Are you Lebanese? :)
Hawaii also had its variations o jujitsu w ne waza the Kodenkan n the old Kung fu blend
Yes
Great videos. You will find that tomiki aikido is a little slower pace.
Thank you Victor
I personally think they didn't incorporate the Judo stand up game because the Gracie family wanted to claim they invented this new grappling system so they didn't use it , even their grand father was thrown with an Osoto Gari and never recovered and was deafted by Kimura. If people really want to know where the best and origin of grappling and submissions they train today they just have to look up Kosen Judo and they'll see who actually has been grappling for many years. Thanks
Great video, but about Waldemar and Kimura, even though the former had total superiority in their Vale Tudo match, the result was officially a draw because it went the distance. And in Jiu-Jitsu Kimura defeated Waldemar by submission.
Yes i got mixed up for a second i apologize, also Kimura was much older i believe Santana was 27, that's a plus for Kimura
@@Chadi
And the Vale Tudo match was also a surprise for Kimura, he was not prepared for that. He thought it would be another Jiu-Jitsu match and in the last moment, at the changing room he was informed it would be a fist fight and if he refused he would not leave that place alive. It is said that Waldemar demanded that the second match should be a Vale Tudo match and Kimura agreed because he got lost in translation. That's what the historians say.
@@LupusRexRgis agreed
Santana beat Kimura? I understand he did a lot of damage, but it was a draw from all accounts I've heard. Just had to throw that in as a Kimura fan. Takeo Yano is a pretty interesting character as a he was heavily involved with luta livre as well. Apparently he was a training partner of Euclydes Hatem and also Roberto Leitao.
Sorry i got mixed up he didn't beat Kimura
Hey Chadi, just interested to know, but what is your experience in Aikido, Judo, BJJ and Wrestling? Both in time spent practicing and rank?
Aikido black belt 4 years, judo and bjj for 2 years, blue (getting my brown in judo when the season starts) and white in BJJ, don't know if I'll have time to do bjj this year
Helio favoured ne waza because his standup game sucked. BJJ only works 1 on 1 unarmed... it's just a sport. Facts.
Gracies also favoured self defense
@@Chadi so they say... but the Gracies are liars and cheats, criminal thug scum, that's undeniable history www.bjjee.com/articles/top-10-gracie-family-dramas-misbehaviours-in-history/ . I doubt any Gracie has fought multiple attackers or weapons in their lives... except that one time a Gracie fought 2 guys and broke his kneecap shooting in on the street. LOL! Fake "martial" art.
Good to look into 1560 Chinese general, then to Shaolin short strike, also bubushi in 1600s.. then Yikkam in 1860s
Will do
@@Chadi Your channel is really good by the way. Thanks for the great info.
@@cwilkinsonwck Thank you
In Feldenkrai's Advanced judo are almos all the ne waza techs of Bjj.
You don't have to reinvent the wheel you just have to use it
One of the foremost practitioners of BJJ, 'John Danaher readily admits most of his points in his book mastering jujutsu. Chadi isn't saying anything new. Furthermore, Danaher says that BJJ closely resembles Kosen judo.
To me throws will always be more important than ne waza. I personally never got why ppl fall in love with groundwork so much.
For self defense yes they should come before ground work
@@Chadi even for mma or judo. Unless ur doing ne waza that starts with on the ground and forbids rising up, throws come first.
For self defense its boxing and throws as fundamentals, thats ur bread and butter, ur meat and potatos, ur hummos and pita ur... u get it.
@@DareToWonder haha that me made laugh
@@Chadi whats the staples of french food? Baguette and fromage?
Mastering throwing techniques to the point to be able to throw opponents to the ground efficiently takes much more skills that learning submissions for the same purpose. It’s easiest to apply a choke to a person than it is to effectively throw a person with a clean ippon. Japanese judokas start training by the time they start walking basically, the gracies where already mature adults when they started training, so in my opinion even if they have tried they were not gonna be able to attain the level of proficiency needed for the standing game. I think that’s the simple plain answer..an old guy can train jujitsu and Learn enough to defend himself, an old guy can’t even think about practicing judo, lol, just thinking about it will hurt, lol. The newaza is more forgiving than the standing aspect of the art...the fight of Gracie with Kimura and even the fight he won’t with the other Japanese guy, you can tell he was completely dominated when standing but things got more even when the fight went to the floor..I want to clarify that I am not referring to the development of the jujitsu flow which takes years to develop, just to the learning of newaza techniques to the point of being efficient against a non trained opponent..
No matter what BJJ is BJJ and Judo is Judo. Different rule which relys on differect aspect. It's just different sport.
If you would say BJJ as Newaza, BJJ'ers would say Judo as a takedown. Each one will translate by its own perspective. Period.
Horse💩 you mother and father are your lineage no matter what direction you take. Bjj art comes out of Judo. Cut the crsp
I got one question,if you are in a bar is this practical you are pinning this guy but his friends are going to play pinata with your head
You take him down and deal with the others, never go down to the ground when there multiple people
Machado Jujutsu hold's more higher value than Gracie's Jujutsu. Machado Jujutsu is more well-rounded and leaves no weaknesses at all when it comes to self defense in general terms. Gracie's technical aspect is rooted to the ground only. It was meant for combat sports. It leaves no room for self defense. Not bashing the art!!! Appreciate what the Gracie's did. That's my opinion of it!!!!!
You are just flat out wrong about this. Traditional Gracie Jiu-Jitsu is 100% focused on self-defense.
I hate the Gracie's n there bs. But honestly you're confusing sport BJJ with Gracie JJ which is self defense with strikes and standing techniques not just the ground. Lol
@@teovu5557 Not really!!! Jujutsu is warlike. It was created for war, same way karate, ninjutsu kungfu, wushu, FMA, muay boran, and silat etc..... Machado jujutsu and Gracie jujutsu are cousins despite blood relatives. But, too me? Machado jujutsu holds a great emphasis on self defense than Gracie jujutsu. Yes? Gracie jujutsu is created for self-defense, but, it's more benefitted as a sport than actual combat.
@@Dragonflyjones67 which jujutsu system? Japanese Jujutsu isn't a single style nor do they even look alike. Aikijujutsu is just like aikido....hardly war like or effective. Wrist locks against punches isn't very effective imho...
@@Dragonflyjones67 karate wasn't created for war. It was a civilian martial art for street defense. Also why did you list kung fu and wushu separately? They refer to the same thing(kung fu is more a Cantonese slang for martial arts while wushu is the proper term).
They favored the ground because they sucked at standing. They didn't actually learn enough standing techniques from Maeda or whomever and preferred the ground because it was all they knew. Now it shows because they can't implement takedowns or stand up in the modern UFC once people learned rudimentary takedown defense.
Whats the reason for Kano favouring Tachi waza than Ne waza?
His background in Kito ryu and tenjin shinyo ryu
@@Chadi Great work you doing here Chadi 👍🏾
But Chadi , Yuki Nakai , the kosen Judoka lost to a 38 years old Rickson Gracie.
Nakais eye had been gouged out at that point by gerard goudeau.
This vintage Gracie film from early 1950s shows mostly standup techniques. th-cam.com/video/k1RurfbNu6g/w-d-xo.html
Maybe the transition to ground based BJJ came later.
Both the Kato and Kimura bouts ended on the ground, Takeo Uano beat Santana in Vale Tudo on the ground
So BJJ is basically just judo indeed…
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Coincidence???
Chadi Co is Two :) Two Incidences Happening at The Same Time? Is that also a syncronicity? I belive, if the universe is One Omni One.. Then All Things.. Must Fit... 🏄♾🦄♾🤿♾🥋 OsuSheWaaYaaOmni :) thank you!
Sometimes I think the BJJ are from Kosen Judo. But they just specialized in Nague Waza.
You mean Ne Waza??
@@Chadi Yes! Sorry. I thought of one thing but wrote another. Lol ... You are saying this yourself in the video. I am Brazilian and I practice BJJ and Judo. Including my BJJ master Rocian and my Judo Sensei refer to BJJ as a specialization of Katame Waza.
Question is...
Why did it take so long?
Judo Olympic rules, Kicking arts thinking. (paying dues, max effort...)
Education is the same thing (math, languages, art etc..) there are better ways. Drives me up the wall ;)
Hahaha sometimes we think we are headed the right direction but we change and learn otherwise and that wastes time too
Hi Chadi. My sensei is a judo researcher, he is very busy though, would you like to get in touch with me and see what I could do for you?
Hello! Do what for me
@@Chadi if you have interest in speaking with him I could ask if he'd be open to it. He's very knowledgeable on the history for example
@@SakiMcAber you can find me on ig chadi.ae
Don't forget about Fusen Ryu bud
I did mention it
SSJJ
Kosen Judo is the father of BJJ....fact!!!!
Kyoto Judo
ChadI, how much newaza was done at the Kodokan? How much emphasis did maeda put on newaza? Given that Maeda spend time at the Kodokan and Kyoto (kosen) and that Oda spent time at the Kodokan, can we say Kyoto influence on BJJ is greater than Kyoto?
Great work as usual :) hope you have received my email
Expect a response soon
With out the gracie nobody would understand you right now
😂😂😂😂😂 delusion
Brazilian jiu jitsu is a derivation of kano ju jutsu, judo is not kano ju jutsu, judo is a derivation of kano ju jutsu made in 1925 required by westerners, Brazilian jiu jitsu had an isolation, and has a history of more 100 years.
Kano jujutsu was the term used and then it became judo but the teachings are the same from the Kodokan
@@Chadi aiki jujutsu and like Aikido or kenjutsu and like kendo, kano jujutsu and a derivation of teijin shin yo Ryu it is different, sorry for the historical facts kano ju jitsu is not judo. And I prove it to you
Kano himself never ever called his art Kano Jujutsu
He called his art Judo from day 1
Dainippon Butokukai which governs the various martial arts
including Judo and Jujutsu was founded in 1895
Judo was part of the Jujutsu department back then
But Judo was the dominant force over the other Jujutsu schools from the beginning
since then Judo gained more strength and the Jujutsu department finally changed its name
to the Judo department in 1919
Therefore then Jujutsukas was treated as Judokas
@@ArpMadore1 in the 1920s the great master jigoro kano was minister of sports in japan, wanting to show the world the culture and opening japanese culture to the world, he transformed a martial art of chinese origin into japanese the Tode (karate) and his art the ju jitsu as a non-total summary, he put the name judo because the Japanese did not want to teach ju jitsu to the world.