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- This video discusses the life of Judo and Aikido 8th Dan Kenji Tomiki, and how he tried to apply his theory for aikido and how he was faced with resistance from the Aikikai.
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Well since you asked, competition in Greek can translate into 2 things, one is antagonismos which means competition against somebody and the other is synagonosmos which means competition with somebody, antagonismos is a bad expression meaning that you don't care about the other guy's wellbeing and you fight against him using any means necessary , synagonismos is mostly used for Olympics meaning mutual benefit and betterment . Both words come from agos or agonas which means doing hard work. I believe tomiki tried but he found resistance making in the end shodokan aikido half an art, this shows some things , tomiki aikido from fight perspective is judo with using your hands more than your core trying to achieve those wristlocks and other aikido techniques in a more competitive manner , this is not impossible to happen though you need specific athletisim, Talend and huge skill in dodging which sould be the main focus along with training those forearms, if you compare it with judo, judo is more versatile and achievable but that does not mean we sould forget tomiki techniques, it's not bad for self defence but it sould not be the main focus of a complete art it sould mostly be like a specialty. Breaking a wrist is not hard and in the end if we use that for competition you will see careers ending in a heartbeat.
Well thank you for making it clear about competition means! And yes i see tomiki aikido is lacking in my opinion, but trained with judo, you'll have something good in your hands, they have sparring against a knife attacker which is pretty awesome we do need that, you can watch them on TH-cam.
@@Chadi I know I have checked it out already but I didn't like it much, and the knife sparring is far unrealistic tbh I didn't see much except some wrist lock throws which looked cool, everything else was far from judo technicality.
i think the best self defence martial arts can give is, good fiscal helth and breakfalls, i think breakfalls has saved more life than anny other martial art tecnice , and the biggest fret to you is bad health. anny ways i think knife defence is really difficalt and should be avoided if posible , in my opinion hema (historical european martial arts) has the most realistic stratege for knife defence, and most nolige about how it works, and dont underastemate clothing, with modern fasion you are much more wonrebal for stabbing:)
sorry for my bad english
I think Chadi meant that in Latin competere means seek together
If wrist’s break easily and that’s a problem for Shodokan, have competitors wrap their wrists with boxing wraps, those are the reason wrist locks aren’t every effective in mma
After training in karate, JJJ, kungfu/kickboxing, kendo, and aikikai, the only injury I got that required surgery was in an aikido class I caught my finger in the sleeve of a tori during some light randori. I think this was due to my lowered sense of danger than I would have in kumite or sparring. Encountering resistance in training helps to condition you to "play safe".
its because you belitlle the randori. You are suppose to lower your sense of conflict not the danger, these are separate ideas but must be reconciled in practice. You can use resist in non-aikido practice/arts , but not in aikido training. Practice in both
"Caught my finger in the sleeve of a tori during some light randori while Tyson Fury shouts HAVE YA GOT A BIG CORY!" 😂
"Hands touching hands, reaching out, touchin' me, touching you..."
All grappling arts have the same fundamental principles and Aikido is a grappling art. I have a black belt in Yoshinkan Aikido, which has more in common with Daito Ryu Aiki jujutsu, and I've started training in BJJ. Love the combination, the sparring has really helped with my Aikido development, which I still train in.
Thank you for your insight
If you think Aikido is a grappling art then you dont understand Aikido! "more in common with Daito Ryu Aiki jujutsu" Aikdo is slightly changed Daito ryu . Its strange how less a "black belt" in Yoshinkan know and understand about Aikido.
@@Gieszkanne Funny how I can say the same thing about you.
Aikido isnt a true grappling system anymore then Taijiquan being a boxing style.
@@teovu5557 True that the philosophy has overtaken the martial aspect but the fundamentals are still there, just take BJJ and you'll find that it can be a grappling art pretty easily if you want it.
I have a first dan in shodokan aikido and have started training aikikai and judo and I find the way he put the methodologies together incredible. I intend to continue all three for as long as I can.
Wow great work, I cross train mostly boxing, BJJ and judo. I have a black belt in aikikai aikido and do one per week mostly for stretching and breathing
Judo Taiso, 15 randori no Kata, Goshin Jitsu, and San Kata were organized and Taught by Tomiki while being an instructor in Manchuria. When he was repatriated after being a prisoner of war he taught it to the universities and the United States Airforce Strategic Air Command. His Aikido was latter taught in the CIA by Donn Draeger, and Richard Strozzi-Heckler, PhD taught Aikido and meditation to Army Special Forces until Gracie Combatives and Silat Kuntao was introduced mid 1990s. There are a few flag officers still promoting the program. It was taught as part of a course dealing with combat stress.
Tomiki did nothing but good things for Aikido
@@Chadi He did nothing for Aikido. This isnt Aikido.
This is Great Video! Without resistance you will never learn how to fully control Uke. Or how to change one technique to another when Uke reacts differently than you expected.
You’re documentaries are absolutely amazing. So professionally done and in-depth while being completely unbiased. Will he supporting you man.
Thank you so much
Tomiki Aikido is the style I studied under the great Sensei Karl Geis of Houston, Texas, a direct student of Tomiki Shihan.. I got no higher than Nidan because it got too expensive traveling from New Orleans to Houston, plus it was difficult getting time off from work to make the trip to the clinics. Practical Aikido. That's how I describe it. Randori is more conducive to learning than the standard I throw you, you throw me of most styles.
A lot of people don’t realise that anyone who trained with Ueshiba early on were taught a more aggressive and effective style of aikido, as Ueshiba aged he became more spiritual and as did the techniques! But u must have knowledge of both for maximum benefit! His student were also proficient in other martial arts! The use of other martial arts mixed with this more aggressive style of martial arts can be deadly! And skills cross between the martial arts easily. Pls do a video on kenshiro abbe as he was a student of Ueshiba and was a judo/aikido and kendo master who beat Gracie and kimura and introduced judo to the uk and his teachings have been passed down to many a great fighters and teachers, but he never got the recognition he deserves
I already did
th-cam.com/video/jcvkl35XgyE/w-d-xo.html
@@Chadi not sure many people know this but kenshiro abbe and tomiki knew each other, not sure what the extent of their relationship was but I know they lived in the same town later in both of their lives, I know both of their aikido technique were very similar, especially looking at this footage!
Wow, I knew he'd done Judo but didn't realise he had trained under Kano. Absolutely right about tactics and strategy. Indeed we all know techniques are just a structure for learning principles.
I studied an off shoot of Tomiki-ryu. I think what was appealing to me was that using the walking exercises, the 8 wrist releases, the 17 basic techniques, one had almost all of Hombu Aikido techniques in one easy to learn package. We always had Judo folks and other Aikido styles come teach, because we always though on could learn from all the styles. I miss those days. Can’t study Aikido because of hip replacements and falling could pop out a hip. But both my wife and I studied together and had a lot of fun and serious training.
Thank you Stephen! I suggest you go back to traian but inform your club of your hip and fall by slowly sitting down and not by break falling, maybe that can help
In my club, I would not have hime take falls, but he could otherwise practice. My sister in law had a hip replaced, it's the bending that is the issue. No way she can squat, or do pretty much anything that causes the thigh to bend past 90 deg to the hip.
I trained in the same as you.. I studied under Sensei Karl Geis... I obtained the rank of Nidan in the system..
I was lucky to have been able to study Tomiki Aikido and was also able to make a few of the Judo classes also taught there. I did not get to study it for long before the instructor moved, but it was a very good addition to the karate that I already had (Shotokan, 1st dan), and it came in very handy when I was a police officer.
I've noticed that a lot of Aikidoka don't realize that Uyeshiba also had trained Judo.
Ueshiba only had a few months of Judo training. He trained in Daito Ryu with Sokaku Takeda for 23 years though. He never trained in those other arts you mentioned.
Ueshiba trained fuckin sumo .
@@ARKSN1PER Yes and Aikido is 90% Daito ryu he didnt changed that much.
@@ARKSN1PERHe actually did train in said arts. Google his name and see for yourself.
He also beat someone to death with a board with a nail in it during a brawl. He was hardcore.
Nice to see an informed perspective. There is a ton of knowledge in the techniques and practice in Tomiki aikido. Learning Kata and then being challenged to apply it against honest, incentivized resistance ought to be part of any system of martial arts. Competition is not without pitfalls and negative effects on the art but the pros outweigh the cons when the practitioners are wise enough to receive the benefits
Thank you Curtis
Its the Aikikai's biggest mistake in not accepting Tomiki's theories and practices... It would've enhanced their aikido no end if they would open their minds and understand that you need some form of resistive competitive testing to really understand and perfect one's technique under real pressure in such a way in that it becomes a way of evaluating ones own humility in knowing defeat and becoming better and growing from it!! In other words, you have to know defeat before you can improve and start to win without injuring your opponent which is the ultimate goal in aikido is it not?! ... Tomiki foresaw what would happen to mainstream aikido in that he wanted to put some reality into a paper tiger...His theories and practices have proven and born this out, and why "Aikikai Aikido" is now so ridiculed... Tomiki's system will eventually outgrow the now Aikikai health system for those who need some form of real training, which in truth can only really be said to be derived from the martial art of Aiki jujutsu or jujutsu and is not meant for fighting... Much like tai chi for health... There is nothing wrong with that, so long as those who practise it, state and verify to their prospective students (who probably know no difference), that it will not teach you real self-defence, but is derived from it... THAT is where the problem lies in educating people to the truth, and WHY aikido is so misunderstood...
I agree 100% that's well put
I just found Nobuyoshi Higashi’s 1989 book from Unique publications and bought it out of curiosity. I looked it up and recognized your channel- I trust your insights, so thanks for this video.
Awesome video. Sparring is a humbling experience that all martial artists need to have in order to grow
Love these old tapes and you deliver so much knowledge with them. Thanks again.
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Great video! Tomiki and I have heard, also Yohinkai (at least as practiced by Tokyo police) are more lively aikido schools.I once got to spar with some visiting tomiki students cross training with our class, only aikidoka I met who were used to the idea of free sparring. Also broke bread/clinked beers with Stanley Pranin, very learned and capable, and, despite his 8th dan in Tomiki Ryu, as you say, very humble. I mourn his passing.
Wow!! The AGGRESSIVE side of Aikido! I like it. Thanks for this lesson.
No te equivoques, el Aikido de Kenji Tomiki no tienen nada de agresivo y sí mucho de verdadero Aikido
YOU DID IT! Thanks, I'll be watching this today!
You're welcome
@@Chadi ok. I just watched it and this was....OUTSTANDING! i concur with everything you have said. I think the Aikikai's position is unfortunate, and they've recently doubled down on it. I study both arts and I too am hopeful that Aikido can survive, pehaps as a complement to high level Judo training
Yes 100% i love aikido and i don't want it to go away and be ridiculed.
I love tomiki aikido. Learned a lot when i did it .
Cool video! Kano had even said Ueshiba' s aikido was very high level of Judo. They had tremendous respect for each other.
Indeed
Aikido is essentially long range judo with more distal grips
I agree wholeheartedly with Tomiki.
If anything, competition is what tames ego. Anyone can feel superior doing patterns and katas but facing a resisting opponent is THE test for a true martial artist. Both to test your techniques when resisted and your ego when losing.
Exactly, 100%
I practiced his style of Aikido.
You're lucky
Same here. In Ohio
Is there anywhere on TH-cam for this style please?
The Aikikai does not represent true Aikido. It represents Koetsu Ueshiba's vision of Aikido; an Aikido that is neither remotely of the quality of the founder nor of his most outstanding students from before the war of the pacific.
What if it is very genuine of this organization or "Aiki Corporation"
its their stubborn mission to make Aikido an exclusive "trademark" focused on leeching money and at the same time selling an empty, robotic and processed style of "martial art" in a pure "Mc Donal's" fashion.
In addition to all this bullcrap, the "Doshu" of this organization and some "old frogs" close to him, for reasons of envy or old grudges, have tried with all their might to erase from history all those who *REALLY* promoted, supported and helped Ueshiba Morihei to develop their budo. One of those people is Kenji Tomiki Sensei, hated by many of these idiots who are now ridiculous old man without even a shred of talent in comparison to him, who award themselves "Shihan" when this is not even a title in its true sense.
Sad but true
You are right. What martial art organization is devoid of politics and jealousy? I am really confused because I thought Moriteru Ueshiba was the head of Aikikai .
Just found this.
Chadi your videos are fascinating!
Great work, all this history.... just amazing and endlessly interesting!
Keep up the great work!
Thank you
I enjoy watching these historical videos. Fantastic to see!
Thank you!
Tomiki Aikido is legit because they do pressure test their skills all the time.
Agreed! It should be more spread
And the moves never work.It just ends up looking like judo with knives.
@@alexscott730 What are you talking about? They pull off moves all the time.
my criticism with modern aikido is that it was originally developed by someone who by all rights was already a judo/jujitsu master. only someone with that sort of experience could hope to subdue a serious aggressor without hurting them. jujitsu/judo is about as gentle as one can realistically get
Tomiki Aikido (Shodokan Aikido) combines techniques and training methods from both Judo and Aikido. Free sparring and competition comes from Judo.
I studied Tomiki Ryu back in the 90’s. So happy I found this video. I’m going to start studying aikijujutsu tonight after a long layoff of not going to the dojo. So cool to see the hanasu no kata in the video.
Where did you study Eric?
I think your explanation is simple, unbiased, and useful.
Thank you
I really believe the Aikikai knew their abilities would also be inferior to the judoka in competition and so they didn't want any kind of competition ever representing them.
From its inception, through the influence of Omoto Kyo, and the effect of the War on the Founder, Aikido has not sought any form of competition. It did at one point, through the 20s and 30s, accept 'dojo visits' from people 'testing' the art. Even then students were reporting that the Founder's expectation was 'unrealistic'. They were admonished for using 'too much' atemi (striking) to effect their Aiki technique on challengers. It was at this time that the Kodokan were sending students to train with Ueshiba. Tomiki, being the most famous. Aikido's mindset is closer to Kyudo or iaido. It simply does not care for practical efficacy which is bottom rung in the esoteric studies of Aiki principle.
It was never a question of “inferior’ waza, it was Ueshiba’s insertion of his Omoto Kyo beliefs into Aikido.
Many Aikido techniques, as mentioned in the vid, are also part of the Judo syllabus. The Aikido of Shodokan has power and practicality, because they train with resistance. Look at the Shodokan techniques, they have a power and directness that comes from proving them in competition. Aikikai’s style has become a beautiful but ineffective dance.
Waza alone has no practicality, whether it’s Aikido, Karate, or Gung Fu. All techniques need to be challenged.
Tomiki was right.
@@stuffnuns How hard is Tomiki/ Shodokan Aikido to learn compared to Judo? Also do you or anyone know which would be more effective for street self defense.
@@mick2spic id say both samething so thats like a trick question but frfr im.skimming comments n yea both arts effective as a kid my first grappling move was ude geshi i was raised damn near in a war zone.....that move and shio nage really worked very very well..... Judo wise only thing id master well is te waza moves ....i learned shima sumo as a kid ..... The moves in akido and in judo i was taught is in sumo cuz they all done by the same people ctfu its very much da same frfr .....real world self defense is possible but not da goal martial arts purely is teaching u how to use ur body people just perverting it n using it for violence .....its not that the moves dont work people cant fight ....ctfu
Tomiki's Shodokan Aikido is realistic and effective on the street.
This style of aikido seems similar to Nihon Goshin Aikido which came out of Hokkaido and was brought back to America in the early sixties by Richard Bowe. They believe it may have roots from Kotaro Yoshida whose son came to America and taught aikijujutsu to Don Angier
You are so right! I salue Kenji Tomiki and you. Seriously. I think there are three types of people; thinkers, brawlers, and something in between. Everyone loves watching thinkers in demonstrations... oh so beautiful. We marvel at the guy that has such physical abilities. But put someone that can think and brawl and you have someone special. You need to write a book. I've said this before. I know you're not just a thinker and I know you can spar. What's stopping you?! Did Tomiki gain notoriety before he branched off or did he gain notoriety because he branched off? I love your history, your critical thinking, and your truthfulness. Okay... that's more praise than I give in a single day.
Professor Tomiki's approach to Aikido was like Judo's. He believed in competition and resistance from the Uke.
Great video! This is what aikido needs.
Although O'sensei the Founder of Aikido was against competition, he did a lot of free sparring with his students and accepted challenges from other martial artists! He was trained in quite a number of other martial arts before founding his Aikido.
The early students of Ueshiba were required to have black belts in other arts.
When black belt was something very difficult to gain...
It is not completely true. In Ueshiba's "golden" age, when his fame spread thanks to the patronage of certain key military figures, at the peak of the Japanese Empire, his Kobukan Dojo came to enjoy great prestige. More than having a "black belt" in some other discipline, what had to be presented to be accepted as a student was (as was customary, and in some KoRyu it still is) was a letter of introduction issued by some prominent figure
or someone of high status in general.
Some of the most prominent Ueshiba students were talented Kodokan alumni, namely Minoru Mochizuki or Kenji Tomiki. Dr. Jigoro Kano was a figure of enormous importance in Japan in that time and receiving students with a signed introduction letter from himself was a great honor. In short, it meant that the young men sent were people of true talent and discipline.
Another example was the one that was once his son-in-law, Kiyoshi Nakakura (Morihiro Ueshiba). Nakakura was an excellent kendoka, (he later became one of the few recipients of the 9th Dan) but not only for this was he accepted into the Kobukan, he was accepted because his protector was none other than Hakudo Nakayama himself, one of the great exponents of kenjutsu and Iaido along with the great Sasaburo Takano.
He was so right about needing to incorporate competition into the style. You cannot reach top level technique and or control without it. Without competition your Technics will be watered down because you're not using them at full speed. Being allowed to use your techniques at gives you a greater edge at developing strategies against different styles.
There are now two bodies that control Tomiki / Shodokan Aikido, Nariyama Shihan resigned from the JAA back in 2013 and formed the Shodokan Aikido Federation (SAF). The Japan Aikido Association has Shishida Shihan and Kenji Tomiki's daughter as figure heads.
Although similar in practice their are some technical differences in the direction that each organisation are moving.
Because of the split the WSAF was formed to promote competitive Aikido allowing membership open to all from any style of Aikido. Some Aikikai groups have affiliated and perform in the open kata events.
Tomiki devised the Go Shin Jutsu Kata, which is still part of the Kodakan Judo syllabus.
I totally agree with you! KEEP UP THE GOOD JOB! THANKS!!
Thank you Eduardo
Hey Chadi, thanks for sharing this video. Great insights.
Thank you Mauro
Most martial arts competition demonstrate a high level of application but ALSO a high level of control in my opinion
Thank you again! This profile is wonderful.
Thank you
Aikido is many things to many people. But if you want it to function as a self defense system, then it must include sparring! You’ve perfected your katas and that’s great! But can you stand before someone who wants to destroy you, who has no interest in your harmony and use your skills to save your life? That’s the true test of an aikidoka
There is another style of Aikido that uses resistance training, including randori. It was founded by Jason Delucia, one of the original UFC fighters. He spent studying Aikido in Japan 12 years and in 2006, I think, founded his style in the US. The style focuses on Aikido but adds Judo and Brasilian Jujutsu techniques, uses resistance training, uses free sparrings, although staying within Aikido techniques is encouraged. The style is called Aikikempo. There is an old video at about the time when it started. I'll paste the 1st part, If you like it, there are 5 parts about various groups of techniques: th-cam.com/video/U5GAAfWWxYY/w-d-xo.html (I have been training under him since 2009 and although it is Aikido, it works pretty well in striking sparrings as well as in grappling sparrings)
I'll check him out thank you
Really sad that the aikikai blacklisted his style. They were not happy with him having competition in his school.
It's unfortunate
Aikido was more a club or cult than anything else. I have no respect for aikido because they call it a martial art but don't learn to fight or defend against an attacker. Call it what it is instead of putting it in the same category as real martial arts. They are too proud of nothing. Go practice whatever you want but don't go nuts about the way someone else trains. If you want to train your way, that's fine but why criticize others. Aikido is only a word. Dont act like it's a religion where you will go to hell for breaking a rule. It's ridiculous how crazy those strict aikido people get about others who actually want to be able to defend themselves. Why are you doing it, if you don't want to be able to defend your family. For you it's about ego, to be the best at something called a martial art that has nothing to do with martial arts. Very strange mentality. They can't even really explain it in any sensible way.
Sadly, It would have exposed the truth that aikido doesn’t work. But also made the martial a lot more legit.
This was great! So glad a stumbled upon your channel. I just subscribed 👍
Thank you Chris! Much appreciated
日本語がひっくり返っているのが凄い。It's amazing that Japanese is upside down.
Mirrored.
Amazing post Chadi. Your incredible.
Thank you Stanley
I studied Judo and Aikido for over 40 years now. In my opinion, in the end, both, Old Sensei and Master Kano, wanted their art lead to the understanding of the true nature of traditional Asian Culture, specially Old Sensei had always referred Aikido to the Spirit of Shindo. However, in the old day, their students did not have the education to understand and only concentrating on throws and locks. After all the years of my study, I comes to the conclusion that all old martial arts was never designed for fighting, it was designed to the understanding of Buddhism and Taoism which could not be expressed by words alone.
That's such an interesting insight, thank you so much for sharing
🔥🔥💯💯 ur years ur wisdom is on point martial arts traditional arts i was taught.... its not made for fighting cuz u could kill in in a peaceful .... Soicety with social constructs that looking over ur shoulder isnt fully neccarry( i always will).... But i was taught yoga is just expressing ur self.... Expressing the laws of the universe thru da body....for recognizing the great love of the universe to be alive... Its so easy to atemi a kyoshi point n thats it....or just use it to cuz kazuchi to do a ushiro ate .....to trully train this stuff real competition will only send u to a early grave.....theres a difference between self defense, sport fighting, and learning how to deal with resisting opponents...... Assuming cuz u learned a kata u can fight is dumb but assuming u need to fight to understand with out kata is dumb cuz then ur just guessing....... Martial arts makes sense of the chaos between the self( atman) and the world around u ..... People to hung up on real fighting....for him to fight ur neighbors ctfu people where im from shoot period...... Understand uke and tori theres learning on both sides ....the relationship to me represents compassion cuz alot of this done frfr is bad jawns......i believe Buddhism and eastern religion is purely being pass thru these arts ....n its not to say its better then us but clearly there perspective n history we should drawl on it to understand the world around us....
@@fgsf9 For most people, the chance getting into a fight is very small. However, getting into sickness and depression are very easy, both have to do losing one's self control. Martial art was developed for people to have better self control which is more useful. It is like baseball which develop for game, but one could turn the bat into a weapon and called it Bat do and use it in self defense.
Excellent video, thank you!
I enjoyed the video… but why is the image mirrored?? (Left and right are swapped as you can see from the writing and gi lapels.)
It wasn't me who edited the footage, that's how i found it, i apologize
@@Chadi No need to apologize. I just found it really weird…
Another great video! I have never trained Aikido, but if I'm blessed with the time and health I will. I always saw Aikido as a really effective art, but the demonstrations and randori practice shown seem to me as kata only. Indeed, for a martial art to develop and improve, resistance is required, as every martial art first goal is to allow personal defense. Stories told about Morihei Ueshiba tell that he defeated highly trained Judokas and JuJitsukas, for instance. I believe that Judo, Ju-Jitsu, and Aikido have a lot of synergy, and could be practiced together, each much contributing to the others' improvement.
Agreed 100% and they do synchronise together movements leverage etc
Morihei Ueishiba might be a legit, but I dare say modern Aikido practitioners have little chance against a similar years trained judoka. Simply because aikido people are just not trained in sparring, aikido have no ground game that could defend themselves if they were bought to the ground
totally agree. imo the philosohpy is sound, but the practice today ... well, some things are lacking. i mean, the bulk of aikido's reputation stems from 1st gen aikidoka (o-sensei and his first students), which were already accomplished martial artists beforehand (and sometimes war veterans, which might explain a part of the mindset) ... from my personal experience, aikido works great as an enhancer of existing skills ... and is hella fun. please take this comment as constructive criticism from someone who loves practicing and learning martial arts. don't mean to hate
@@Chadi agree entirely.
Yes he did and without any training in sparring and he thought that it isnt needed and even hindering learning true Aikido.He defeted ongoing blackbelts in Judo and Kano send his best students and had the highest respect for Ueshiba. But every one here seems to know Aikido better than the founder. Interresting!
I love Aikido. I don't train nor do I teach what I call Fluffy Bunny Aikido or if it is really bad Pink Fluffy Bunny Aikido. I put the Harm back into Harmony. Mine is more AikiJitsu at this point. Very effective and much more realistic than the normal Fluffy Bunny version.
Awesome
@@Chadi I train in Shodokan Aikido and just like Tomiki, my instructor started off in judo. Also sparring is a MUST during classes, especially concerning tanto randori.
Bring it all back. The current rules are an abomination to the art.
Aliveness or Quickeness is the key.
Without stress, agression, preasure, timing and suffering you will never be able to apply techniques in reality.
I trained in Aikido through K. Abe (Kyushindo) lineage. Tomiki/Shodokan was never discouraged. It was seen just as another expression of Aiki. The criticism at the time was not about free-form randori but the emphasis of some clubs in competition or shiai. Regardless, Tomiki sensei is seen as an honourable man. I never heard anything disparaging about Shodokan although we were aligned (though not affiliated to the Aikikai). Even a Shodokan Aikidoka who transferred to us, for his grading, affirmed his kyu rank (he can maintain wearing his colour belt) by demonstrating all the required kata (which we dont have) of his rank followed by techniques called out both in Shodokan and Aikikai terminology and that was it. He was even allowed to teach a kata as a form of warm up in the same way we'd approach funakogi.
If there was animosity, we never knew and maybe at politics level for the different associations but not in how we were taught to perceive different branches of aikido from Ki Society, Yoshinkan, Tomiki etc...
Unfortunately, many Aikikai teachers do disparage Tomiki’s style as “not Aikido”, which, I discovered, was simply BS. Tomiki was not a follower of Omoto, so he didn’t have the pacifist doctrine to insert into the Art. He came from Judo, and saw that sparring has great practical value. Tomiki’s Aikido syllabus is brilliant, too.
I have been practicing Tomiki Aikido since 1975. We are very open minded at our dojo, we honour grades issued by other Aikido organisations and styles, until they are ready to take the next grade in our system. I take the view that we are all climbing the mountain, maybe from a slightly different routes.
I have been doing Yoshinkan Aikido (Highly practical - taught to Japanese Tokyo metropolitan and riot police) for over 15 years, I am an instructor. My style of Aikido is the ONLY REQUIRED BLACK BELT for all riot police officers in the Tokyo Riot Police Squad. Moreover, all female members of the regular Tokyo metropolitan police force must train in Yoshinkan Aikido. So it's safe to say I have experience with real life pressure testing and practical aikido. I have trained in Shodokan Aikido for 2 years when I moved to a new city, and it really doesn't hold up. Lots of high throws that don't actually get you to the ground, bobbing up and down when throwing, the ukes launch themselves instead of actually being thrown properly, safe to say I left. They do not teach ikkyo as the first Aikido principle, they teach shomen ate, and then for some reason do not teach irimi nage until 2nd or 3rd dan? The ikkyo standing up pin is easy to roll out of as use is not flat on the floor, one of your knees are literally up and free to move. What they did to hijishime is a massive disrespect to the technique, in shodokan they call it wake gate (same name as a Judi technique), but it demonstrates a major problem with the style. It is made for competition, not real life, the shodokan techniques are easy to put on, easy to release, and don't cause any pain, as this is bad for competition. This was done in a major shodokan club in my country - one of the top 3. I found the demos nothing better than mediocre. Safe to say I left, and could not be happier to return to my dojo where I found my Khion Dosa had suffered, the overly short and weak Shodokan stances had weakened my aikido, that was seen very clearly in my shionage, which Sohdokan can't even do properly. Morihei Ueshiba said 'Shihonage is the foundation of Aikido, all you ever need to master is shihonage' and Shodokan can't even do that.
I think Tomiki Aikido's sparring is more of a game of throwing opponents when four fights are not possible, rather than a technique for fighting knives. Whether the hand holding the knife is a finger aiming at the eyes, a poisoned syringe, or a pistol, a technique for throwing the face away from the opponent's weapon ... For example With a simple tackle, the opponent's knife will aim at the back, but if the opponent's view is blocked with the palm bottom, the opponent cannot aim at the weak point of the back.
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Hey Chadi! Love your work. May we connect??
Do you ever heard about hatenkai aikido, martial arts journey made video recent but I cant find any information about this style.
I never heard of it, I'll check it out
You can resist but within aikido techniques (DO). It is way enough to develop own AI and KI. Less real but still deep and interesting for some martial arts practitionnars not interested in competition and what on the surface but interest in what is hidden or not visible (Tamura). Unfortunately this days one come to practice aikido from zero level of martial arts.
Thanks, a very nice presentation.
Thank you Eric
You bet, enjoying your materials. Bon Chance!
You should make a video on gozo shioda
Do you think there is any overlap of catch wrestling submissions and Aikido moves?
I doubt there is
Please do a video on Muay Pram
An old tutor of mine, from college did Aikido at a club that also did Judo.
Japanese??
@@Chadi He wasn't but I think his sensei who's passed away now trained out there, think my old tutor trains in Wales somewhere Neath way.
I agree I'm Aikidoka and Judoka as well. And I do Kempo/kickboxing and some Eskrima. Sparing is not everything but is a must. Drilling with progressively more pressure is important too. But must be done safely. Practicing taking sticks away with power while wearing head protection is interesting. You realize you better move your damn head,lol.
If you want to train in Tomiki Aikido, go to Tomiki.org and find a club near you. It is a small organization but fun.
Thank you
Look for shodokan hombu website and you'll find the dojos worldwide
The are alot more Tomiki clubs than this site has listed. Karl Geis was a direct student of Tomiki and promoted by him to 6th dan. Karl too has since past, but there are many of us that keep thier teachings going. If you can't find one near you, let me know and I may know of one.
I agree 💯 you must have a full speed resisting opponent. I wonder what it would have looked like
Exactly
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Fantastic!
Kishomaru Uyeshiba, the second Aiki Doshu, made Aikido into an art form and an exercise. He was not interested in self defence or Budo. He hated Kenji Tomiki and Koichi Tohei!
I'm sure you know who Nick Lowry is. He has an excellent youtube channel, kaze uta budo kai.
Who will win in the competition Chadi or Tissier ?
I did Tomiki aikido in Japan for years, never heard of Shodokan. What are the kanji? Aikikai, Yoshinkan, and Tomiki are the 3 different styles of aikido here in Japan. A lot of that is organizational.
Tomiki is Shodokan
@@Chadi Shodokan is one branch of Tomiki Aikido, there are other branches as well.
what is spelling of name of kata you mentioned which was created in 50s?
Goshin Jutsu no kata
Did you study in the U.S. at all? Ever hear of Karl Geis Shihan?
Excellent video :)
hmmmm. thoughtful video but yes and no. Good to remember Tomiki sensei; thanks.
The first remarkable thing about this remarkable man is the fact he followed Ueshiba sensei; serious martial artist after serious martial artist did so. Challenging to speak authoritatively about people and their intentions (decades ago) without personal knowledge. Japanese culture is very difficult for outsiders to understand.
According to "The Dawn of Tomiki Aikido
by Seiji Tanaka" (which tracks hearsay I heard from teachers in Japan) competition based Aikido was born in April, 1958 when Waseda University approved an Aikido Club as an officially sanctioned sport club (which by strict university rules MUST have competition). It seems apparent from the man, his JAA and second hand sources that Tomiki sensei sought to synthesize his experience in Judo and Aikido, which others have tried as well. It is true that Tomiki sensei (and Aikido) had a deep influence on the Kodokan's goshinjiutsu kata - one look and it is obvious.
It is true that later generations of Aikido students/instructors are not the hard boiled martial artists of initial decades but now with all the cross-training that is available in MA, it is a non-issue for those Aikido students who want to hone applied skills. To understand Aikido, it is fundamental to understand what became the core emphasis of Aikido training - human development: mind, body and spirit and it does this quite well and to the broadest number of participants. Though some practitioners may not realize or appreciate it fully, applied martial arts skill against a trained or physically superior (or both) opponent is another matter ... which must be built upon a solid core foundation. Moreover, true Aikido is not merely another push/pull jiujutsu and as such requires intensive drilling (body and weapons) to develop the fascia system sufficiently (which is only now beginning to be understood medically) and to coordinate breath and movement for additional stability and power. This takes years of persistent practice under proper teachers.
If a student wants to develop applied Aikido skills there are ways to do so but Aikido, unlike Judo, is not a sport. Too much needs to be stripped away (in my view) like striking, certain joint manipulation, etc to make it a safe "sport"; it loses something. That doesn't mean you cannot stress test what you've learned and develop genuine fighting skills. A basic blue print is: conditioning your hands, additional randori drills, using Aikido in other sport fighting contexts and, the old-school "Kabukicho" method, fighting (not recommended). The challenge I see these days is students being persistent enough (and, taught well enough) to build the requisite foundation before they try to "innovate".
Thank you for your insight and taking the time to write this comment
If I may ask, what exactly is the Kabukicho method?
@@Chadi Thank you. I just discovered and really enjoy your channel. I wrote at length about the origins of BJJ in my book Aikido in Japan and The Way Less Traveled (out of curiosity when studying BJJ, including swapping lessons with Yankee teachers in China). Heavily footnoted (overkill really) which you might mine for subjects for your videos. You've already covered some, I think. Your efforts are very commendable and we recipients should all appreciate and emulate your hard work and passion for learning.
@@lutherhawkins5469 Sure Luther; thanks. Kabukichō (歌舞伎町) is an entertainment and red-light district in Shinjuku, Tokyo, Japan. Yakuza run or controlled hostess clubs, love hotels, shops, restaurants, and nightclubs.
Go drinking there often enough, trouble will come knocking eventually. (Live in trainees used to go there all the time years ago an get into trouble.) Tokyo's foreigner filled Roppongi (六本木) is another potential flash point on a weekend.
Aikido Applied
Yes, I’m quite familiar with Kabukicho as I lived in Shin Okubo from 1990 through 1999, ikebukuro, Nerima and Chiba after that. In the early 90’s Kabukicho still had the old time, flamboyant, swaggering yakuza you only see in films today. For several years, I worked in east Shinjuku and walked home through Kabukicho most every night- saw lots of fights and wild sights. Roppongi was interesting too. I remember running into Bas Rutten before I even knew who he was- and meeting Andy Hug and Peter Arts in my gym in Takadonnoba. Good times !! I miss the “old” Japan.
Fascinating
OUTSTANDING VIDEO ! ! ! !
Thank you Donald
One more thing. I'm kinda getting mixed results from the Goshin Jutsu when I do randori. I don't know if this is because wakigatame is my favorite technique. But in Judo class I was able to do the second goshin jutsu technique on a former Olympic competitor. I tried to do oshi taoshi on another black belt the way you do it in the knife defense section of the goshin jutsu but I wasn't able to do it.
Standing kansetsu waza is prohibited in judo, you have to progressively take them down and then apply waki gatame, but the knife wrist twist is forbidden.
@@Chadi
I know standing wakigatame is illegal in competition I just wanted to see if I could do it against someone who is skilled. I think I confused you. In the second scenario I was talking about the tsutakke technique.
judoinfo.com/katagosh/
which is pretty much oshi taoshi.
What is the name of the taisabaki / tandoku renshu kata being performed in the video? I teach Judo and I teach a variant to the initial taisabaki moves to my beginners. I learnt them in an Aikido Seminar once but forgot it and made up my own variant. Am I also correct to believe that Kenji Tomiki is the source of this?
Irimi
Tenkan
Kaiten
@@Chadi Thank you
Is there a formal Irimi Tenkan Kaiten kata or was Kenji Tomiki just practising taisabaki? I cannot seem to find the "kata" formalised anywhere.
Ok I think I found it. One of the variants of TEGATANA NO KATA.
Just a quick question did Tomiki receive a black belt in "Aikido" or did he receive a black belt in Daito Ryu? This has confused me - I heard it was the latter and followed Ueshiba when he changed the style to Aikido.
Aikido black belts, daito ryu scrolls if I'm not mistaken
I believe that master Ueshiba was referring to his art as Aiki-Jitsu during the time that master Tomiki was studying with him.
Yes, Tomiki Aikido is interesting and I wish I had known about it when I was a youngster training in aikido many decades ago... Do you have any thoughts on the more recent Japanese offshoots of Tomiki Shotokan aikido that blend it with other martial arts, including striking (Karate)?... I have in mind Aikido SA (th-cam.com/video/Z6kcLZCoPSg/w-d-xo.html) and Hattenkai Aikido (th-cam.com/video/29Mjzz8SraU/w-d-xo.html)... both do sparring competitions, allowing strikes as well.
Also similarity between bujinkan. Takematsu apparently taught Jo at Kano gym.
Im just wondering how can you lock or hold an opponent's wrist if both has to wear gloves during competition? I believe Aikido needs to evolve not just an art but also as a sport.
Mma gloves can allow joint manipulation
@@Chadi I have MMA gloves but still you can't hold the wrist as normal. If you have the gloves, your wrist, palm, and fingers are stable.
Using MMA gloves it is possible to lock elbows, shoulders, neck and do hip throws. It is also possible to perform Aikido techniques as strikes. It is also possible to fight without gloves but do palm strikes instead of fists. So, everything is a matter of desire, which most Aikidokas don't have.
@@daniel-meir The problem is when performing Kotegaeshi you are initially not holding the wrist instead you are holding the gloves. There is less pressure on the bone structure because the gloves is able to support it. Same to other techniques like Nikkyo, Sankyo, and other wrist techniques. Remember there are a lot of Aikido variations using the basic wrist technique. Just my opinion.
@@MrSamurailanx I agree. What I meant is that if the opponents wear gloves, it is impossible to do the wrist techniques but it is still possible to do many other Aikido techniques.
Sensei was 8 the Dan aikido & also 8 the Judo.
I'd like to request a video on Pierre Chassang.
I'll look him up
@@Chadi he's another great French aikidoka and veteran. I think you would find his approach to Aikido to be excellent. I never got to train with him but my instructors did.
Mr.Chadie thank you nive video up load.But sorry cut the revese explanationS,thank yo so much! I belong Mr.Yamano Koho Aikido club.
Thank you for listening
I wish i could learn tomiki aikido... But there is no place to learn it were i live
Same
Look to see if there is an Aikijutsu school near you. Its the next step up from Tomiki Aikido. Just make sure they pressure test their techniques. Then supplement with Old School Judo if possible.
Where do you live?
I went to the world championships last year and I was sad that they didn't offer toshu competition. I think tanto randori is a good training tool but I wish toshu randori wasn't neglected.
It's underrated for sure
Nationally in the USA we have done it several time but the WSAF (World Sport Aikido Federation) has been working on this as a competitive sport. Join us and help us develop this. Tomiki.org
Jack Mumpower was a student Tomiki and Ohba in Japan in the late 50s and brought Tomiki Aikido back to U.S. in the 60s to N.C. where it is still taught. See Mumpower original 15 basics at th-cam.com/video/ew5DUbC8AJ0/w-d-xo.html.
Thank you Tom
very good video
Thank you