The Crybaby has a buffer in front of the wah circuit so there is no tone suck when the pedal is bypassed, this is due to the switch that Dunlop use. It's bypassed signal is not buffered, that's why the crybaby turned off demo didn't change the fuzz sound much at all. I think a lot of people see/read there's a buffer in a Crybaby and think it's a bad thing; has tone suck, doesn't work etc etc. I'm glad this video disproves that.
Worth a mention: The guitarist in the band Khruangbin uses wah brilliantly, and it’s “always on” (either cocked or sweeping). Brilliant contemporary wah stuff, with crazy groove! Check them out...
Yes... Dan, if I ever meet you, and I hope you can gig up north(I should really get in touch about such things, ;-) ).... I would greet you appropriately....
So.....My wife and I are on vacation in Oyster Bay, Jamaica. I had a glorious morning run along the beach listening to this episode the entire time. How perfect it was listening to your hilarious banter as you “wah”ed away. It fit perfectly with the scenery and laid back culture here (if you know what I mean). Great job mon!!
Love it. Really like the exploration. Doesn't matter if you accomplished what you set out to tackle. The important part is the discovery along the way. Thank you for showing it and not editing it all out. Where I live, middle of the US, TPS uploads at 6 am, and I can get most of it in before work. Thank you thank you thank you for your quality content.
sweet jesus guys, your older vids make me laugh my ass off. i do miss that. i used to start my day w coffee and laughter and you knuckleheads rather than the news. ahhhh, it was divine. still watching, and revisiting. cheers and happy new year.😂
The crybaby switch is a SPDT, so it is not true bypass, some of the signal goest into the circuit when it is off, that is why some people say there is a tone suck or tone loss when it is off
Gotta say, I honestly preferred the sound of the CryBaby to all of the boutique wahs you demo'ed, with the exception of the Fulltone, which makes me feel good about my Clyde Deluxe. 😁 The boutiques were wonderfully full and smooth, but TO ME seemed like they would not cut through a band mix at all. The SuperQuack, in particular, sounded like you'd thrown a blanket over the amps. The CryBaby felt like it was voiced with more treble range, and the Clyde seemed a sweeter/smoother version of that same sound. Anyway... great episode as usual!
2 comments - 1.. the one thing I learned is I had no idea that the world of wahs was so huge and I need to learn more -- number 2 .. I hope you guys have a wonderful life full of wonderful new journeys BUT selfishly for me I hope you continue to do this same thing forever - you both are awesome!
Your fan from Idaho, United States, here. Thanks for the video and the silliness. I don't use Wah really, because it's not me, but I still love learning more about guitar related things. Stay inspired, curious, but not too serious, yeah? Much love guys.
Real question of the day: is there a jam pedal that doesn’t sound fantastic? Everything you’ve had on your show has been stellar. Retro vibe, wahcko+, delay llama supreme, etc etc
I think that wahs sound better when you don’t actually “play” them rhythmically or specifically with what you are playing on the guitar. It takes a bit of practice, but just a simple, slow, steady movement of the pedal in no particular time whilst playing seems to work best. This is why auto-wahs are so useful. It’s also nice to use a wah as an extreme mid-range tone control, leaving it in one position for a while then changing (maybe) to another fixed position.
I used to own a Real McCoy Wheels of Fire Wah. Spent a lot on it and it had three knobs to tune it. I never could get a sound out of it that wasn't harsh to my ears. I am sure I just didn't use the right gear with it, but I sold it and bought your cheap Dunlop CryBaby and have never looked back. Not a lot of character to it but it works with everything and I never flinch when I turn it on. Good episode.
Yeah, buy a 100-watt Marshall and a big headstock Strat. Tune to E flat. Get a great univibe and overdrive pedal. Put the vibe first. Turn up! Sell the ME-80 on Reverb or eBay. Cheers!
Thanks as always, Gents! I have the Wah off the board but I have a dedicated output from one of my GigRig Isolators ready to power it up (neatly rolled up and secured with a rubber band) - don't want to have to think about batteries, etc. Please, do get Justin Sandercoe on the show, he's an amazingly generous teacher…
I know it’s an old one. But I never thought of putting the Fuzz before the Wah… That sounded amazing, so much better than afterward. I seriously need to rethink the outline of my pedal board.
He’s probably a too “weird” guitarist for Mick, Dan, and most of their audience, but that’s what Robert Fripp has done since way back in the day. He’s also uses the wah in a more nuanced and expressive fashion than most guitarists. Certainly so do Satriani and Vai. They use the wah to sing, and produce sounds akin to flute, violin, cello, sax, synth, and awaken spirits…
I'm sure like many of your viewers my first pedal was a Cry Baby Wah. When I was 14 I saw the Red Hot Chilli Peppers at Hamden park. John Frusciante was kitted out with beautiful vintage Strats and Marshall amps. He was clearly in the mood for Wah that night! Literally every solo (there were many!) he stepped on the Wah and subsequently vanished from the mix. It may as well have been a mute switch. I left feeling totally uninspired. 14 years later and I haven't had a wah pedal on my board since. I'm tempted to dig it out and have ago. That's what I call the TPS effect... :)
Iain King go and watch Jimi Hendrix Live at the Isle of Wight and watch ( or simply listen to ) him play Machine Gun. I promise you his Wah-Wah playing in that song is awe-inspiring. My first pedal was a Vox Wah and I loved it for the tone, the treble boost and and bass tone when you rocked it back on its heel. Frank Zappa used to leave a cocked Wah is a particular position and use that tone for a solo.
Mick, once you re-hydrate your fingerboard a bit, try some TUNG oil on the board. It will seal the pours helping to stabilize the wood. The TUNG oil is not a top coat, like a poly or lacquer. It is absorbed by the wood and sits within the fibers.
I'm very well aware of the fact you can't include every wah under the sun, but the Xotic XW-1 ( which you've already explored in another episode, granted) has - apart from many tweaking possibilities - what they call a "fuzz friendly buffer". You can therefore play the wah into any fuzz without any oscillation or without losing the sweeping range. I play mine into an Analogman Red Dot NTK and if you also use the input impedance trimmer inside the pedal to clean the fuzz a bit, it works even better (a useful tip for all Sunface users) . A killer combination! I like this option because wah after a fuzz never sounded good to me as I don't play into a cranked Marshall, which is the best way to achieve a good fuzz > wah sound (you can add another dirt pedal after the wah to achieve a similar effect, of course). Fuzz > wah > clean amp? Not my thing, but tastes differ. Tasteful episode nonetheless!
At 22:35 it seems that with Buffer On the sound had more Treble (in a not so nice way to my ears since Mick was hitting high notes) might be useful to have that Treble for lower strings riffing. Sorry to be commenting so much. WAHS/ODS/ FUZZ make many players go into WARP 7. :)
The BC109, and Vox V847 Wah, have been on my board for a decade now. I love it. I've played different Germanium Fuzzes, and other Si ones, but I always go back to it. I've had so many different brands, including Analogman, and it holds up to all of them, for my sound. It's also my favorite to play with a Wah, and I only use a buffer, when I have a Boss pedal, with the buffers they use, in between them. Stacks with low gain OD, very well, and any other effect I've used.
Which way around do you have the wah and fuzz? Mick here. I've always put my wah first and been adamant that I prefer it. But today I prove myself totally wrong without even thinking about it.
That Pedal Show Always Wah first. I've tried both ways, but Wah first is just easily the best sound, for my liking. When I've experimented, in the past, the tone difference with my Uni-Vibe, Phaser, and Delays was huge.
That Pedal Show Could it be because of the Gig Rig? And, you were digging the Uni-Vibe, before Fuzz recently as well. I believe you mentioned that you always had stacked those the other way, during that episode. I'm going to have to check it out again, as I've been running my setup this way for over 20 years, and it's been a few years since I fooled around with Wah after Fuzz.
The silicone Fuzz Face is probably my favourite pedal of all time, but saying that the more I hear it, the more I'm tempted to try a Sun Face. I loved the swapping about of the pedals, fuzz before and after wah etc and hearing Dan explain why and what the differences are. My one small disappointment is that you didn't try a Vox V847, which to my ear is more subtle and has a nicer sweep than the Dunlop. Anyhoo, cheers for another great episode and I hope you're having fun at NAMM.
The piece of info that served me well was fuzz (Mini Band of Gypsys) in front of Wah (Hendrix Wah) . My rig has always sounded exceptionally tinty when I kicked the Wah on and that made all the difference. Thanks again for a very informative show guys Tom
I do love these shows. After 30 mins we get to the conclusion, that there isn't a conclusion. We then move on in a 'quickfire' style for another 20 mins. Keep on going chaps!!! You are an oasis of 'something' in a sea of click bait and 'be an expert in 5 sec'. 5*
I have a GCB-95 from the early 2000s and an "original crybaby"-labeled version from the 90s. Both pass signal when disengaged and w/out power (w/ the same loss of fidelity i get in bypass when powered). Normally I run one through a true-bypass loop which allows the added bonus of turning it on half-cocked (which is my preference).
A newer player that uses wah in an interesting way is the guitarist in Khruangbin, he tends to use it as an eq or tone control on the fly, along with a handful of standard uses. Where a lot of people use the park/cocked wah technique, he really uses in his own way. I definitely recommend checking them out if you haven't. It adds an interesting dimension to the long list of wah techniques.
I also discovered them several months ago and totally agree 🤘🏽 He sits in the mix perfectly and provides great melodic riffs to a killa rhythm section!
I’m so glad you mention them (Khruangbin). I’ve only recently discovered them via a Reverb piece, and couldn’t remember their name. Great, guitar-centric music that isn’t metal. Not that there’s anything wrong with metal...
the switchable buffers in the more "boutique" wahs are made for when the wah is put before the fuzz, changing the output impedance to mimic a guitar's impedance, giving the fuzz what it wants. The end result is a wah sweep more similar to when you use it with a regular distortion/od.
The original Crybaby circuit was never buffered bypass. The output of the circuit remains connected to the output jack when in bypass, but the input signal is switched between the input of the circuit and the output jack. So, with no power, the signal will still pass in bypass (it's just a mechanical switch), but the circuit is still bleeding signal (mostly highs) off the circuit, as it is providing a pretty heavy capacitive load. This is why true bypass is a pretty important decision for wahs. Maybe you want it, maybe not, but the decision is important.
Another great show! I’ve been displeased with my wah pedal (RMC 3) for awhile. I, rather mindlessly, always put my wah first in my chain. I much preferred the wah after the fuzz in your video. I’m going to try it after my fuzz and distortion today. Thanks!
@@deanjohnston104 They once said why they don't use straps on the show. The reason also has to do with the fact they're not wearing any t-shirt that says "that pedal show" and are wearing others instead... Think of where the strap would cover the t-shirt and the results of that, haha
At least the straps stayed on, watch Johnny Marr interview by Shaun Keaveny . If ever there was a time to ditch the damn thing ( as I would have done) it’s then.
Hi Mic, I think you might of been referring to a Snarling Dawgs Wah! I have a Blues Bawls Wah. Love it! Although it does some very quirky things. Not sure what is going on with it. It has an overdrive built in, mild to quasi-wild. The Wah has three selections, White Room, Voo Doo and Shaft (for that funky tone). The pedal travel is very wide which gives you a great frequency sweep depending on the Wah mode selected.
Somehow you guys always know right when I want to see a new episode... and BAM it's posted. I don't even like playing electric guitar, but I look forward to this show. :) Thanks guys!
The Analogue Man fuzzes are the three knob fuzzes which have a variable resistor in series with the input (as discussed in your Analogue Man visit video) and probably won't reproduce the typical fuzz driven from wah problems. Your blue Dunlop Hendrix fuzz has nothing in series with the input and so interacts directly with the guitar electronics, which is why you get the extra noise when the volume is rolled off all the way. It is more likely to exhibit the classic fuzz with wah problems. If you plug a classic/vintage wah into a classic/vintage fuzz you lose wah range because the wah has a relatively high output impedance which is loaded by the low input impedance of the fuzz. As far as I can tell the Fulltone Wah has a buffer/booster after the wah circuit which isolates the wah from any loading effects caused by following pedals. The original classic wah circuit was designed with the minimum of components and was intended to be plugged directly in to the 1Meg input of a guitar amplifier. Most of the modern wah's and fuzz faces have the various buffers or input resistors to avoid the unwanted interactions you get with the vintage pedals.
I really like how you guys start every show with an open mind testing out the gears to see how they really reacts because most other demos are done in a way to prove what they think or read is right. Everyone else will tell us that the CryBaby is buffered bypass full stop.
Oh man...my first ever pedal was Jimi Hendrix Cry baby wah and I bought it 1988. I had time to test it couple of times before it was stolen in our bands playing facilities. I was devastaded… I bought my second pedal 30 years later (last year) and it was Mad professors Royal blue overdrive and now I have some other stuff too ;) But maybe it is time now to buy new wah and maybe fuzz-pedal too. Thanks for this!
From what I recall the fuzzes that react particularly badly to buffers were Big Muffs. I vaguely recall having to put my Black Russian before any of my Boss pedals, not just wah.
Fuzz and Wah .. magnificent ! Thanks Gents !! Mick think you need a touch of electrical cleaner in your Fulltone wah, i heard some scratchiness when you were playing clean... anyone else hear that ?
I think that the raucous wah sound (around 25:30) was what Gilmore used on songs like Careful with hat Axe, Eugene. The wah that sounds best with my setup is the Teese RMC, it really sounds amazing.
I’ve probably tried more Wah pedals than any other type of pedal on my board. Vox, standard cry baby, Dunlop switchless, Rewah Pro, both Slash signatures, Ibanez weeping demon, the old Ibanez Wah, Johnny Hiland KiloWah and several others that slip my mind. I’ve finally settled on the Friedman No More Tears, what a Pedal!
Great fuzz tones, too. Have you gents tried a Walrus Audio Contraband? Low battery spitting and fizzle, and blown out heavy stoner sounds all in one single-dial box. fanTASTIC device.
Cry baby i had is semi-true bypass. It has a single ended bypass switch. It still ate tone. Same for the morley Classic wah. I replaced the switch on my Classic wah from a 2-PDT to a 3-PDT (real true bypass) and it improved my bypassed signal.
The fulltone clyde has a Q adjustment pot under the back plate. It's also true bypass when not engaged regardless of the buffer switch. I love mine, though it gets a bit messy in the high end. I can hear the same thing in yours.
Loved this one. I'm not a fuzz user - I like it, but just know that it's not my thing. However, today just sounded like what rock & roll sounds like in my head. What a joy! As an aside, I've been a user of the 535Q for about 15 years. Suits me to a T.
I have an original Cry Baby and a blue Jimi Hendrix fuzz face mini. The problem I have is with the wah before the fuzz you still get the great fuzz sound but barely any sweep. But with the wah after the fuzz you get more sweep but barely any grittiness from the fuzz. Is there anyway to get an in-between sound where you still get a good sweep but have more of the fuzz sound?
Wha-ka-cheeky & fiddly-diddly! All you need to summarize uses of wah in 15 seconds! My first and only wah was a purple budda wah which I got at age 16 and still use to this day. I’ve always liked they way it sounded.
Dan - I am so jealous that you have a cool local music store to go to. Here in NJ, we mostly just have Guitar Center, and while they are OK, its not the same as going to a "mom and pop" music store where the folks actually know what they are talking about and care about you. There is very cool store like that (2 locations actually), but they are about an hour away so I don't get there very often. Cherish the existence of those little music stores as they are disappearing.
"He makes that guitar talk" as they say (who's they)? My favourite in the 80's was Colour sound Fuzz/Suzz/Wah pedal... Maybe I should get another? Great to hear the differences between Fuzz (s) and Wah(s) we know you guys could be doing one a week for a year. The 535Q Mick mentioned is very versatile but for me the one Wah to rule them all is the 'Dime Bag Wah ' super tweekable plus it has boost switch on the side(if needed). Well worth the money because you only need the one. But as for the perfect marriage with a Fuzz that's still a work in progress. Cheers TPS guys!
Also I've just changed something tonight based on this video guys... I put the wah after the rat, which I have quite gained up, border fuzzy, and a world of difference... could never get the same travel with it before fuzz or distortion, dist pedal off fine, on and can't hear the wah... put it after, and boom, there it is....
Maybe a question for your next Q and A. I have a Strat and LP. A clean amp (DRRI) and a handful of basic pedals (3-4 drives, delay, reverb and looper). I feel like it’s a nice spread and I could do most things. My question though; is where would you make the next purchase? A new guitar that’s unique to the ones I have, a new amp that has a different sound or a handful of pedals? I keep going back and forth as to what would give me more tonal range and well as just plain enjoyment with my gear. Thanks. Cheers!
Overdrive, echorec-style delay, silicon BC108 or BC109 fuzz, chorus, elec lady flanger, phaser. David Gilmour! See Gilourish.com for rig rundown and suitable substitutions.
I just know I’m going to particularly enjoy this one. Love the show guys. I remember the original show in question, and I think it was then that I exchanged a couple of messages with Mick about the wah/fuzz face issue & volume clean up. I now have a Clyde + Hendrix FFM3, so I’m looking forward to seeing what results/thoughts you have on your combination. Also, big yes to getting Justin on the show. A great teacher and seemingly lovely bloke.
"So, excuse me while I whip this out. It's gonna be horribly upside down because, that's just the way we're rolling today...the question is, Dan, will it function?" Mick Taylor, 2019
Really looking forward to seeing: Your NAMM coverage; your thoughts on the new Strymon delay; your video on that aforementioned Quilter amp; more videos on stereo and wet/dry. One thing I'd LOVE to see in future: giving headphones another go, this time using stereo effects and stereo cab sims. Changed my home practice experience! Another suggestion I've made a few times: any scope of a video on just rare/uknown/sleeper amps you guys have? I'd love to see The Mallard again, the Audio Kitchen Amp... Any weird kit you've got.
Another interesting and informative video, I'm now considering moving my wah further down the chain. I thought I'd also highlight the Glab wowee-wah ww-1 which I've had for years, the nice thing is that it doesn't need to be kicked on (you just step on it and it works). Apparently it has a photo element instead of a regular potentiometer, to my ears it makes it less "quacky" but super reliable and really useful as a tone shaper and inducing momentary feedback.
I've seen inside the GCB-95 my friend bought a year ago, and only one pole of the switch is used. That means it can't be true bypass, where both input and output are switched, but it can be what I call vintage bypass, where only one of the two is switched. That can cause horrible tone suck or not, depending on the effect. Also, the only relevant difference between the sun face and the fuzz face in this case is the clean trimmer, which affects the input impedance. One thing I expect a fuzz face with a buffer in front, other than being harsh, is that it doesn't clean up well, because the impedance of the volume pot isn't affecting the fuzz. 36:00 the expression you want Mick, is confirmation bias.
Any advice on how to use the wah with inflection points...i.e. where to lean into the vocal character? I had a schwang prior to watching this episode and could swear I was hearing octaves (up and down) in parked positions. Can you confirm? I was new to wah, bc why not, but didn't know which to go after. I love Jam Pedals' other merch and leaned that direction, but the feature I found so intriguing about it was its tweakability. I then went looking at the 535Q and ultimately settled on the Custom Audio Electronics (MXR) wah. It has the tweakability, a boost, and switching from red to yellow fasel inductors. Happy with the decision.
My old Colorsound Wah did the same. I always thought it's because certain frequency ranges (when boosted corresponding to the pedal's position/angle in the sweep) generate more impact or output volume than others and they just overdrive some part of the circuit (or th amp's input?). I may be wrong, though...
I own a BBe ben wah which cost about 12 pence second hand and is a killer wah but that poses a question for Mondays viewers questions as the BBe ben wah was rebadged a few years ago and sold as the rather spendy Vertex wah , so that begs the question whats the difference ethically between simply rebadging and cosmetically tarting up a pedal to a straight up clone of a circuit that most pedal makers have in their range but with a different name ?
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Watching you guys figure things out in real time is a big part of the enjoyment I get from watching these videos. Real folks doing real stuff.
The Crybaby has a buffer in front of the wah circuit so there is no tone suck when the pedal is bypassed, this is due to the switch that Dunlop use. It's bypassed signal is not buffered, that's why the crybaby turned off demo didn't change the fuzz sound much at all.
I think a lot of people see/read there's a buffer in a Crybaby and think it's a bad thing; has tone suck, doesn't work etc etc. I'm glad this video disproves that.
Worth a mention: The guitarist in the band Khruangbin uses wah brilliantly, and it’s “always on” (either cocked or sweeping). Brilliant contemporary wah stuff, with crazy groove! Check them out...
I'm surprised Dan didn't greet the shop assistant by saying "Hello, Dan here!" 3:50
Isaac 🤣🤣🤣
Yes... Dan, if I ever meet you, and I hope you can gig up north(I should really get in touch about such things, ;-) ).... I would greet you appropriately....
So.....My wife and I are on vacation in Oyster Bay, Jamaica. I had a glorious morning run along the beach listening to this episode the entire time. How perfect it was listening to your hilarious banter as you “wah”ed away. It fit perfectly with the scenery and laid back culture here (if you know what I mean). Great job mon!!
Happy hols Evan!
Are you smoking a lot of weed? :)
Yet another KILLER intro by Mick! Absolutely living his best life recently with ‘Blue’ 👍
Thank you!
LYBL? Are you on email?
I love Blue....
If I had her, she would be treated like the true number one, she deserves to be. 😄
She's a beauty, inside and out.
In a just world, Fender would follow Keeley’s lead and make Dan & Mick signature versions of Red & Blue. Maybe in a few years...
Love it. Really like the exploration. Doesn't matter if you accomplished what you set out to tackle. The important part is the discovery along the way. Thank you for showing it and not editing it all out. Where I live, middle of the US, TPS uploads at 6 am, and I can get most of it in before work. Thank you thank you thank you for your quality content.
Thank you Nathan. That makes me happy that you're willing to be on the journey too. Mick here. :0)
sweet jesus guys, your older vids make me laugh my ass off. i do miss that. i used to start my day w coffee and laughter and you knuckleheads rather than the news. ahhhh, it was divine. still watching, and revisiting. cheers and happy new year.😂
The crybaby switch is a SPDT, so it is not true bypass, some of the signal goest into the circuit when it is off, that is why some people say there is a tone suck or tone loss when it is off
That Italian Wah sounded Epic after those tweaks
52nd!!! Yesss!!! Thank you TPS. I work shift work. Your show brings back that friday feeling for me. Cheers guys. 🤘
Budda Wah!! That's the purple wah you were trying to think of. They sound awesome.
ScubaGib love my budda
Gotta say, I honestly preferred the sound of the CryBaby to all of the boutique wahs you demo'ed, with the exception of the Fulltone, which makes me feel good about my Clyde Deluxe. 😁 The boutiques were wonderfully full and smooth, but TO ME seemed like they would not cut through a band mix at all. The SuperQuack, in particular, sounded like you'd thrown a blanket over the amps. The CryBaby felt like it was voiced with more treble range, and the Clyde seemed a sweeter/smoother version of that same sound. Anyway... great episode as usual!
Agree👍
Love my vintage Crybaby Fuzz Wah✨🎵✨
A lot of people would love to see Justin on the show! Definitely get him on! He is great!
2 comments - 1.. the one thing I learned is I had no idea that the world of wahs was so huge and I need to learn more -- number 2 .. I hope you guys have a wonderful life full of wonderful new journeys BUT selfishly for me I hope you continue to do this same thing forever - you both are awesome!
Your fan from Idaho, United States, here. Thanks for the video and the silliness. I don't use Wah really, because it's not me, but I still love learning more about guitar related things. Stay inspired, curious, but not too serious, yeah? Much love guys.
Looks like there are 2 of us! I'm in Coeur d'Alene.
Next door in Montana.
Real question of the day: is there a jam pedal that doesn’t sound fantastic? Everything you’ve had on your show has been stellar. Retro vibe, wahcko+, delay llama supreme, etc etc
I like using a crybaby classic before
a dyna comp, it helps tame the
volume spike, and sustains the notes
a bit longer for clean stuff
Great show guys! Bonus points for the Blazing Saddles quote.
Goodness me, 10 minutes in and my mouth is already starting to go in time with the wah!
So Super Grateful for HOW you two relate/work together!!!
I think that wahs sound better when you don’t actually “play” them rhythmically or specifically with what you are playing on the guitar. It takes a bit of practice, but just a simple, slow, steady movement of the pedal in no particular time whilst playing seems to work best. This is why auto-wahs are so useful. It’s also nice to use a wah as an extreme mid-range tone control, leaving it in one position for a while then changing (maybe) to another fixed position.
I get that noise problem when I run an MXR eq into an MXR 108 fuzz. When I engage the buffer on the fuzz problem fixed.
Friday... oh wonderfull friday...
I used to own a Real McCoy Wheels of Fire Wah. Spent a lot on it and it had three knobs to tune it. I never could get a sound out of it that wasn't harsh to my ears. I am sure I just didn't use the right gear with it, but I sold it and bought your cheap Dunlop CryBaby and have never looked back. Not a lot of character to it but it works with everything and I never flinch when I turn it on. Good episode.
Robin Trower's guitar tone using the Boss ME-80?
Thanks!
Yeah, buy a 100-watt Marshall and a big headstock Strat. Tune to E flat. Get a great univibe and overdrive pedal. Put the vibe first. Turn up!
Sell the ME-80 on Reverb or eBay. Cheers!
Only Mick and Dan can have show on the one pedal that I absolutely HATE and it's not only funny but interesting. Thanks guys.
Thanks as always, Gents! I have the Wah off the board but I have a dedicated output from one of my GigRig Isolators ready to power it up (neatly rolled up and secured with a rubber band) - don't want to have to think about batteries, etc.
Please, do get Justin Sandercoe on the show, he's an amazingly generous teacher…
I know it’s an old one. But I never thought of putting the Fuzz before the Wah… That sounded amazing, so much better than afterward.
I seriously need to rethink the outline of my pedal board.
He’s probably a too “weird” guitarist for Mick, Dan, and most of their audience, but that’s what Robert Fripp has done since way back in the day.
He’s also uses the wah in a more nuanced and expressive fashion than most guitarists. Certainly so do Satriani and Vai. They use the wah to sing, and produce sounds akin to flute, violin, cello, sax, synth, and awaken spirits…
I'm sure like many of your viewers my first pedal was a Cry Baby Wah. When I was 14 I saw the Red Hot Chilli Peppers at Hamden park. John Frusciante was kitted out with beautiful vintage Strats and Marshall amps. He was clearly in the mood for Wah that night! Literally every solo (there were many!) he stepped on the Wah and subsequently vanished from the mix. It may as well have been a mute switch. I left feeling totally uninspired. 14 years later and I haven't had a wah pedal on my board since. I'm tempted to dig it out and have ago. That's what I call the TPS effect... :)
Iain King go and watch Jimi Hendrix Live at the Isle of Wight and watch ( or simply listen to ) him play Machine Gun. I promise you his Wah-Wah playing in that song is awe-inspiring. My first pedal was a Vox Wah and I loved it for the tone, the treble boost and and bass tone when you rocked it back on its heel. Frank Zappa used to leave a cocked Wah is a particular position and use that tone for a solo.
In a calm, soothing voice: “Michael is standing up now. He is ready to rock.”
😂🤣
I absolutely LOVE having wah after the fuzz....it juices up solos and distinct riffs like nothing else.
Mick, once you re-hydrate your fingerboard a bit, try some TUNG oil on the board. It will seal the pours helping to stabilize the wood. The TUNG oil is not a top coat, like a poly or lacquer. It is absorbed by the wood and sits within the fibers.
I'm very well aware of the fact you can't include every wah under the sun, but the Xotic XW-1 ( which you've already explored in another episode, granted) has - apart from many tweaking possibilities - what they call a "fuzz friendly buffer". You can therefore play the wah into any fuzz without any oscillation or without losing the sweeping range. I play mine into an Analogman Red Dot NTK and if you also use the input impedance trimmer inside the pedal to clean the fuzz a bit, it works even better (a useful tip for all Sunface users) . A killer combination! I like this option because wah after a fuzz never sounded good to me as I don't play into a cranked Marshall, which is the best way to achieve a good fuzz > wah sound (you can add another dirt pedal after the wah to achieve a similar effect, of course). Fuzz > wah > clean amp? Not my thing, but tastes differ. Tasteful episode nonetheless!
+1 for Xotic wah
I have the Joe Bonamassa Cry Baby and the red mini fuzz face. You guys just solved my problem ... got to put the fuzz in front. Thanks mates!
Even with an extensive pedal collection Dan didn't even own a bog standard Cry Baby Wah... That's AMAZING!
At 22:35 it seems that with Buffer On the sound had more Treble (in a not so nice way to my ears since Mick was hitting high notes) might be useful to have that Treble for lower strings riffing. Sorry to be commenting so much. WAHS/ODS/ FUZZ make many players go into WARP 7. :)
I tried my best, but couldn't find any dirty words in Mick's shirt. And we had the perfect soundtrack for it today....
OMG 9:08 Mick bringing the FUNK. Sir, you are a one man Disco Inferno.
The BC109, and Vox V847 Wah, have been on my board for a decade now. I love it.
I've played different Germanium Fuzzes, and other Si ones, but I always go back to it.
I've had so many different brands, including Analogman, and it holds up to all of them, for my sound.
It's also my favorite to play with a Wah, and I only use a buffer, when I have a Boss pedal, with the buffers they use, in between them.
Stacks with low gain OD, very well, and any other effect I've used.
Which way around do you have the wah and fuzz? Mick here. I've always put my wah first and been adamant that I prefer it. But today I prove myself totally wrong without even thinking about it.
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Always Wah first.
I've tried both ways, but Wah first is just easily the best sound, for my liking.
When I've experimented, in the past, the tone difference with my Uni-Vibe, Phaser, and Delays was huge.
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Could it be because of the Gig Rig?
And, you were digging the Uni-Vibe, before Fuzz recently as well.
I believe you mentioned that you always had stacked those the other way, during that episode.
I'm going to have to check it out again, as I've been running my setup this way for over 20 years, and it's been a few years since I fooled around with Wah after Fuzz.
I haven’t seen it yet. It just popped up in my updates. But I’m already loving it just because of the subject
The silicone Fuzz Face is probably my favourite pedal of all time, but saying that the more I hear it, the more I'm tempted to try a Sun Face. I loved the swapping about of the pedals, fuzz before and after wah etc and hearing Dan explain why and what the differences are. My one small disappointment is that you didn't try a Vox V847, which to my ear is more subtle and has a nicer sweep than the Dunlop. Anyhoo, cheers for another great episode and I hope you're having fun at NAMM.
The piece of info that served me well was fuzz (Mini Band of Gypsys) in front of Wah (Hendrix Wah) . My rig has always sounded exceptionally tinty when I kicked the Wah on and that made all the difference. Thanks again for a very informative show guys
Tom
I do love these shows. After 30 mins we get to the conclusion, that there isn't a conclusion. We then move on in a 'quickfire' style for another 20 mins. Keep on going chaps!!! You are an oasis of 'something' in a sea of click bait and 'be an expert in 5 sec'. 5*
I have a GCB-95 from the early 2000s and an "original crybaby"-labeled version from the 90s. Both pass signal when disengaged and w/out power (w/ the same loss of fidelity i get in bypass when powered). Normally I run one through a true-bypass loop which allows the added bonus of turning it on half-cocked (which is my preference).
A newer player that uses wah in an interesting way is the guitarist in Khruangbin, he tends to use it as an eq or tone control on the fly, along with a handful of standard uses. Where a lot of people use the park/cocked wah technique, he really uses in his own way. I definitely recommend checking them out if you haven't. It adds an interesting dimension to the long list of wah techniques.
Agreed. Discovered Khruangbin a few months ago. They're a great band, and their guitarist is phenomenal.
I also discovered them several months ago and totally agree 🤘🏽 He sits in the mix perfectly and provides great melodic riffs to a killa rhythm section!
I’m so glad you mention them (Khruangbin). I’ve only recently discovered them via a Reverb piece, and couldn’t remember their name. Great, guitar-centric music that isn’t metal. Not that there’s anything wrong with metal...
the switchable buffers in the more "boutique" wahs are made for when the wah is put before the fuzz, changing the output impedance to mimic a guitar's impedance, giving the fuzz what it wants. The end result is a wah sweep more similar to when you use it with a regular distortion/od.
Wah was the first effect I bought. Love the video guys
The original Crybaby circuit was never buffered bypass. The output of the circuit remains connected to the output jack when in bypass, but the input signal is switched between the input of the circuit and the output jack. So, with no power, the signal will still pass in bypass (it's just a mechanical switch), but the circuit is still bleeding signal (mostly highs) off the circuit, as it is providing a pretty heavy capacitive load. This is why true bypass is a pretty important decision for wahs. Maybe you want it, maybe not, but the decision is important.
Another great show! I’ve been displeased with my wah pedal (RMC 3) for awhile. I, rather mindlessly, always put my wah first in my chain. I much preferred the wah after the fuzz in your video. I’m going to try it after my fuzz and distortion today. Thanks!
You know what's weird on this episode of TPS ... seeing guitars with *straps*. ;^)
Yeah, it is weird. Can't not see them now that I've seen them.
@@deanjohnston104 They once said why they don't use straps on the show. The reason also has to do with the fact they're not wearing any t-shirt that says "that pedal show" and are wearing others instead... Think of where the strap would cover the t-shirt and the results of that, haha
well you do know that guitarists do it with a strap on...
but it's just so hard to hold onto when standing...
At least the straps stayed on, watch Johnny Marr interview by Shaun Keaveny . If ever there was a time to ditch the damn thing ( as I would have done) it’s then.
The honker clocked in at 87.4 and 91.3 dB today. :-) Today's show was simply wah-ful. No, I really mean it. :-) Another great show! Thanks guys.
Excellent episode Gentlemen! Would you consider a part 3 where you guys talk about wah working with delay, reverb, phase, etc?
Hi Mic, I think you might of been referring to a Snarling Dawgs Wah! I have a Blues Bawls Wah. Love it! Although it does some very quirky things. Not sure what is going on with it. It has an overdrive built in, mild to quasi-wild. The Wah has three selections, White Room, Voo Doo and Shaft (for that funky tone). The pedal travel is very wide which gives you a great frequency sweep depending on the Wah mode selected.
Somehow you guys always know right when I want to see a new episode... and BAM it's posted. I don't even like playing electric guitar, but I look forward to this show. :) Thanks guys!
The Analogue Man fuzzes are the three knob fuzzes which have a variable resistor in series with the input (as discussed in your Analogue Man visit video) and probably won't reproduce the typical fuzz driven from wah problems. Your blue Dunlop Hendrix fuzz has nothing in series with the input and so interacts directly with the guitar electronics, which is why you get the extra noise when the volume is rolled off all the way. It is more likely to exhibit the classic fuzz with wah problems.
If you plug a classic/vintage wah into a classic/vintage fuzz you lose wah range because the wah has a relatively high output impedance which is loaded by the low input impedance of the fuzz. As far as I can tell the Fulltone Wah has a buffer/booster after the wah circuit which isolates the wah from any loading effects caused by following pedals. The original classic wah circuit was designed with the minimum of components and was intended to be plugged directly in to the 1Meg input of a guitar amplifier. Most of the modern wah's and fuzz faces have the various buffers or input resistors to avoid the unwanted interactions you get with the vintage pedals.
I really like how you guys start every show with an open mind testing out the gears to see how they really reacts because most other demos are done in a way to prove what they think or read is right. Everyone else will tell us that the CryBaby is buffered bypass full stop.
Oh man...my first ever pedal was Jimi Hendrix Cry baby wah and I bought it 1988. I had time to test it couple of times before it was stolen in our bands playing facilities. I was devastaded…
I bought my second pedal 30 years later (last year) and it was Mad professors Royal blue overdrive and now I have some other stuff too ;) But maybe it is time now to buy new wah and maybe fuzz-pedal too. Thanks for this!
From what I recall the fuzzes that react particularly badly to buffers were Big Muffs. I vaguely recall having to put my Black Russian before any of my Boss pedals, not just wah.
Fuzz and Wah .. magnificent ! Thanks Gents !!
Mick think you need a touch of electrical cleaner in your Fulltone wah, i heard some scratchiness when you were playing clean... anyone else hear that ?
You made me take my xotic wah out of the closset.
Thanks guys.
I think that the raucous wah sound (around 25:30) was what Gilmore used on songs like Careful with hat Axe, Eugene.
The wah that sounds best with my setup is the Teese RMC, it really sounds amazing.
Wah & Fuzz is life .... faces at the ready .... go !
I’ve probably tried more Wah pedals than any other type of pedal on my board. Vox, standard cry baby, Dunlop switchless, Rewah Pro, both Slash signatures, Ibanez weeping demon, the old Ibanez Wah, Johnny Hiland KiloWah and several others that slip my mind.
I’ve finally settled on the Friedman No More Tears, what a Pedal!
That has to be one of the best wah names ever. Superb.
@@ThatPedalShow everything about it is super cool, the name the build, the looks and most of all sounds!
Great fuzz tones, too. Have you gents tried a Walrus Audio Contraband? Low battery spitting and fizzle, and blown out heavy stoner sounds all in one single-dial box. fanTASTIC device.
Cry baby i had is semi-true bypass. It has a single ended bypass switch. It still ate tone. Same for the morley Classic wah. I replaced the switch on my Classic wah from a 2-PDT to a 3-PDT (real true bypass) and it improved my bypassed signal.
The fulltone clyde has a Q adjustment pot under the back plate. It's also true bypass when not engaged regardless of the buffer switch. I love mine, though it gets a bit messy in the high end. I can hear the same thing in yours.
Loved this one. I'm not a fuzz user - I like it, but just know that it's not my thing. However, today just sounded like what rock & roll sounds like in my head. What a joy!
As an aside, I've been a user of the 535Q for about 15 years. Suits me to a T.
That Jimi Fuzz Face is AWESOME!
I have an original Cry Baby and a blue Jimi Hendrix fuzz face mini. The problem I have is with the wah before the fuzz you still get the great fuzz sound but barely any sweep. But with the wah after the fuzz you get more sweep but barely any grittiness from the fuzz. Is there anyway to get an in-between sound where you still get a good sweep but have more of the fuzz sound?
Wha-ka-cheeky & fiddly-diddly! All you need to summarize uses of wah in 15 seconds! My first and only wah was a purple budda wah which I got at age 16 and still use to this day. I’ve always liked they way it sounded.
So.... The less broken way is fuzz into wah, right? What about od and dist?
Dan - I am so jealous that you have a cool local music store to go to. Here in NJ, we mostly just have Guitar Center, and while they are OK, its not the same as going to a "mom and pop" music store where the folks actually know what they are talking about and care about you. There is very cool store like that (2 locations actually), but they are about an hour away so I don't get there very often. Cherish the existence of those little music stores as they are disappearing.
"He makes that guitar talk" as they say (who's they)?
My favourite in the 80's was Colour sound Fuzz/Suzz/Wah pedal... Maybe I should get another?
Great to hear the differences between Fuzz (s) and Wah(s) we know you guys could be doing one a week for a year. The 535Q Mick mentioned is very versatile but for me the one Wah to rule them all is the 'Dime Bag Wah ' super tweekable plus it has boost switch on the side(if needed). Well worth the money because you only need the one.
But as for the perfect marriage with a Fuzz that's still a work in progress.
Cheers TPS guys!
Wah and fuzz face! Killer show guys. I was waiting the whole time for a Jimi tangent and Dan just squeezed it in there at the end.
I don't use fuzz or wah wah but I still found this show informative and as always, entertaining! You guys are funny as hell in a low keyed way.
Kirk Hammett wants to know your location. Protect your wahs
After Zakk Wylde.......
Also I've just changed something tonight based on this video guys...
I put the wah after the rat, which I have quite gained up, border fuzzy, and a world of difference... could never get the same travel with it before fuzz or distortion, dist pedal off fine, on and can't hear the wah... put it after, and boom, there it is....
Maybe a question for your next Q and A.
I have a Strat and LP. A clean amp (DRRI) and a handful of basic pedals (3-4 drives, delay, reverb and looper). I feel like it’s a nice spread and I could do most things. My question though; is where would you make the next purchase? A new guitar that’s unique to the ones I have, a new amp that has a different sound or a handful of pedals? I keep going back and forth as to what would give me more tonal range and well as just plain enjoyment with my gear. Thanks. Cheers!
Overdrive, echorec-style delay, silicon BC108 or BC109 fuzz, chorus, elec lady flanger, phaser. David Gilmour! See Gilourish.com for rig rundown and suitable substitutions.
Whatever wah Doyle Bramhall is using is the one! .... Wait it could just be his talent!
Another great show guys!
I just know I’m going to particularly enjoy this one.
Love the show guys. I remember the original show in question, and I think it was then that I exchanged a couple of messages with Mick about the wah/fuzz face issue & volume clean up. I now have a Clyde + Hendrix FFM3, so I’m looking forward to seeing what results/thoughts you have on your combination.
Also, big yes to getting Justin on the show. A great teacher and seemingly lovely bloke.
“Got to do this in one take. Don’t pull the door, don’t pull the door”. *Pulls on push door.
Well damn it you don't put a handle on a push door!
That door violates even the most general fire code.
Cool video. Not my thing, but still enjoyable to listen and watch :-)
Haha! I’m screaming (in my head, of course) at the screen “it’s BUDDA”, and then after a minute it pops up in the screen, and I feel so relieved...
"So, excuse me while I whip this out. It's gonna be horribly upside down because, that's just the way we're rolling today...the question is, Dan, will it function?"
Mick Taylor, 2019
My Hendrix mini does that with the volume too! Including sometimes picking up some sort of foreign-language radio.
Really looking forward to seeing: Your NAMM coverage; your thoughts on the new Strymon delay; your video on that aforementioned Quilter amp; more videos on stereo and wet/dry.
One thing I'd LOVE to see in future: giving headphones another go, this time using stereo effects and stereo cab sims. Changed my home practice experience!
Another suggestion I've made a few times: any scope of a video on just rare/uknown/sleeper amps you guys have? I'd love to see The Mallard again, the Audio Kitchen Amp... Any weird kit you've got.
Another interesting and informative video, I'm now considering moving my wah further down the chain. I thought I'd also highlight the Glab wowee-wah ww-1 which I've had for years, the nice thing is that it doesn't need to be kicked on (you just step on it and it works). Apparently it has a photo element instead of a regular potentiometer, to my ears it makes it less "quacky" but super reliable and really useful as a tone shaper and inducing momentary feedback.
I've seen inside the GCB-95 my friend bought a year ago, and only one pole of the switch is used. That means it can't be true bypass, where both input and output are switched, but it can be what I call vintage bypass, where only one of the two is switched. That can cause horrible tone suck or not, depending on the effect.
Also, the only relevant difference between the sun face and the fuzz face in this case is the clean trimmer, which affects the input impedance. One thing I expect a fuzz face with a buffer in front, other than being harsh, is that it doesn't clean up well, because the impedance of the volume pot isn't affecting the fuzz.
36:00 the expression you want Mick, is confirmation bias.
Great music shop Kempsters! Mr. SVL sold me my first decent guitar when he worked there 20yrs ago😎
Any advice on how to use the wah with inflection points...i.e. where to lean into the vocal character? I had a schwang prior to watching this episode and could swear I was hearing octaves (up and down) in parked positions. Can you confirm?
I was new to wah, bc why not, but didn't know which to go after. I love Jam Pedals' other merch and leaned that direction, but the feature I found so intriguing about it was its tweakability. I then went looking at the 535Q and ultimately settled on the Custom Audio Electronics (MXR) wah. It has the tweakability, a boost, and switching from red to yellow fasel inductors. Happy with the decision.
Talking of Tasmania. I went to Hobart once. It was shut. 🤘
Thanks for doing this episode. I went down a wah rabbit hole last month. This was great!
Question: These inductor circuits sound amazing. Why don't we see more in EQ pedals or even EQ for drives, etc?
Inductors are expensive (relatively speaking, as parts for a mass-produced product)
What's that distorted crackle noise I hear from the Fulltone wah clean? Regardless the Fuzz covers it up nicely.
I think it's the buffer doing something that's making the Marshall do funny things. I noticed it when doing the audio. Annoying!
My old Colorsound Wah did the same. I always thought it's because certain frequency ranges (when boosted corresponding to the pedal's position/angle in the sweep) generate more impact or output volume than others and they just overdrive some part of the circuit (or th amp's input?). I may be wrong, though...
Mick, I think you need to put that Jimi FF on your board! KILLER
I own a BBe ben wah which cost about 12 pence second hand and is a killer wah
but that poses a question for Mondays viewers questions
as the BBe ben wah was rebadged a few years ago and sold as the rather spendy Vertex wah , so that begs the question whats the difference ethically between simply rebadging and cosmetically tarting up a pedal to a straight up clone of a circuit that most pedal makers have in their range but with a different name ?
Wahcko nearly has a Parapedal-like sweep on that ultra low pass setting? I might have to check out one of those... Thanks :)
Do I see the cheaper matchless thing near the dB meter?
Tasmanian here. People’s Liberation Army of tasmania not quite as famous as the Tasmanian people’s front.
Selah effects are based in tassie, along with a huge bunch of fantastic musicians