PLANNING PERMISSION REJECTED - What do we do next?

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  • Planning permission... the elephant in the room! Behind the scenes, the whole of last year was all about planning applications, case law, architects and consultants. Class Q prior approval is a national policy but it would seem not all counties are the same...
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  • @chrisjie2127
    @chrisjie2127 ปีที่แล้ว +106

    This video demonstrates everything that is wrong with this country on so many levels.

    • @gazzhunter
      @gazzhunter ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Absolutely archaic rules and regs. Time for a complete shake up

    • @tomvalentine9985
      @tomvalentine9985 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Bemoaning private matters in public?

    • @helendennis7662
      @helendennis7662 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      And the exact reason we left U.K. after going through similar battles - despite having a smallholding, a house with land and outbuildings - we battled constantly to make any changes, we wanted to make a business from home. I even got a criminal record because I fought planners and lost - Carmarthenshire county council for anyone who’s interested 😏

    • @helendennis7662
      @helendennis7662 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@gazzhunterain’t gonna happen, the whole point of all of this is to stop people being self sufficient and not in need of the system, no one will ever prove it but it happens constantly. Either that or you don’t have deep pockets to grease the planning wheels so that they don’t question anything you’re doing

    • @bockersjv
      @bockersjv ปีที่แล้ว

      @@tomvalentine9985your such a lovely person 🙄

  • @edwinknight5204
    @edwinknight5204 ปีที่แล้ว +85

    There should be the option to take local planning agencies to court for contradiction in their own policy

    • @dannymurphy1779
      @dannymurphy1779 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      There is, you can appeal the decision, the Appeal Inspectors are legally qualified and not affiliated with the Council.

    • @robthebuilder1327
      @robthebuilder1327 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      Appeals just got to a different council where they apply their own interpretation of your councils rules. As all councils and wards inside councils have their own control of over what constitutes the best policies for their areas (LDF). You can however, where you feel the councillors (overall head of planning for that area) have not acted impartially or fairly applied their own rules you can apply for a high court judicial review of their actions.
      I can tell you from personal experience 22 months into an application, standing up in front of 300+ people and all 9 councillors and solicitors and using your 5 minute speech to simply say if they don't approve it you'll serve them with the papers your solicitors has in his hand and they'll all have to explain their actions to the courts was stressful. Watching the 8 councillors look straight at their solicitor him look lost in the woods then them all have to vote it through was very satisfying

    • @dannymurphy1779
      @dannymurphy1779 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@robthebuilder1327 No - the Appeal Inspectorate is a national body and nothing to do with councils.

    • @dondons38
      @dondons38 ปีที่แล้ว

      I know loads who get permission on appeal. Councils decline to make money by getting you to resubmit I think

    • @robthebuilder1327
      @robthebuilder1327 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @dannymurphy1779 The original post is about taking your council to court, not taking it to appeal. Whilst I agree they are a national body, they don't sit in Bristol with a team of guys and girls that specialise in every different councils application of the LDF. Delegated authority is used throughout the planning system between authorities and private companies. So its make sense to have them specialise. Eg a lot of London goes to Brimingham, they asses and recommend (actually on a local and national level)and the inspectorate rubber stamps or rejects, so you planning comes at national level. Why I mentioned the councilors as on a local level they are the highest sign off.
      To clarify the Appeal Inspectors aren't 'legally qualified' magician just a body that apply the same rules. Anyway all the best

  • @JohnHavord
    @JohnHavord ปีที่แล้ว +23

    I love the fact, that you both remain, quite positive. Great attitude and no doubt, difficult to maintain, at times.

  • @philipelliott5821
    @philipelliott5821 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    My wife and I have do 4 self builds and planners sometimes think they are Gods and I understand your frustration but keep on talking to them. You might not get exactly what you want but I’m sure you will get there in the end.

  • @davetay44
    @davetay44 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    What an absolute palaver. Good job you had the cabin build to keep you going. Can't imagine the stress levels with living elsewhere, building the cabin, fighting the local council and keeping all of us entertained on YT ALL at the same time. Superhuman the pair of you. I hope it gets sorted soon, that's gonna be an awesome series of videos converting it, looking forward to it.

  • @kyler468
    @kyler468 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    We are just embarking on this ourselves, it is har enough to just find a planning agent that seems to know about it.......fingers crossed for everyone else in the same boat!!!

  • @oneorangedog
    @oneorangedog ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I feel your pain. Took us 2 years to get planning... numerous delays and very little communication. Keep pushing!

  • @TR-rz1xt
    @TR-rz1xt ปีที่แล้ว +6

    The wild flowers are looking gorgeous!!!! I entirely agree that agricultural/industrial exteriors on homes often look stunning when inside is all cosy and welcoming and homely - fabulous contrast. You'll get there... 🤗❤

  • @paulhulley5969
    @paulhulley5969 ปีที่แล้ว

    I’m keeping my fingers x for you guys, you need this and hopefully all will be good

  • @AC-gm6bq
    @AC-gm6bq ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Wishing u all the very best guys. Been following your journey from house to house to farm!!!
    You will get there in the end.

  • @TheNorthernmunky
    @TheNorthernmunky ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You’ll get there guys, never give up

  • @TheCSTutor
    @TheCSTutor ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This just shows the incompetence thats rife within smaller councils in the UK. Smacks of laziness from the council and lack of due diligence on their side (rejected to ultimately meet deadlines or maintain numbers) Examples like this and Clarkson's Farm are bringing these issues to light to more and more of the people these councils are supposed to SERVE, so well done and wish you all the best!

  • @stuartjones2242
    @stuartjones2242 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    HI Tim, We feel for you guys , we had the same issue on our old house, so we did the very basic to get it passed , then waited while and did what we want to do it , never had an issue planning still clueless after all these years

  • @bensimmons3692
    @bensimmons3692 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Blimey … keep going! if all else fails go to appeal. Well done guys … love the channel

  • @Jason52597
    @Jason52597 ปีที่แล้ว

    It will still be interesting to understand what went into the planning process

  • @felixreali7101
    @felixreali7101 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    I should not have watched this video. My blood is absolutely boiling. Jo & Tim, I really don't know where you guys get your patience from. I would have blown a fuse having those discussions with the Planning Department. At some point I think we should start a revolution against this kind of stupid, unnecessary frustrating procedure for what is in fact an improvement on the building that is there at the moment. Love you guys and I hope you guys get sorted soon. ❤🤞

  • @colinmottram4429
    @colinmottram4429 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    What a journey you've been on - well done on keeping focused on progress and not being steamrollered by the frustrations. The lack of resource is clear in nearly every single local authority planning office just now; I work in property development finance and it's a story I'm hearing time and time again all across the UK. It's frustrating that the planner here sounds like they're under significant capacity pressure and instead of having the time to consider your application properly, has had to kick the can down the road by finding (creating?) minor issues, many erroneous. It is costing you time and money, both of which are always at a stretch on any development project! Please keep up the great work - you WILL get there! I got quite excited when Tim mentioned 'oak framed mezzanine'!

  • @jaywest4102
    @jaywest4102 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Planning officials should be working with owners to help them with the process instead of taking on an adversarial role. Find ways to help and advise instead of looking for reasons to deny

  • @thinkingisbananas
    @thinkingisbananas ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I'm a planning officer, we meant to be proactive, I don't refuse anything that would likely be overturned by appeal. Sorry for stress. There are good officers out there.

    • @TheRestorationCouple
      @TheRestorationCouple  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I feel like i should apologise to all (most) planning officers. Unlike others here I struggle to believe it is the people themselves, just frustrated that there is no 'working together' type approach. I would have loved nothing more than to have walked the site and got their views and advice. i just guess there is no resources there to allow for that type of time investment even if it saves them having to deal with future revised applications and appeals. It was odd that they repeated how 'successful' they were at class Q appeal, almost as a way of deterring us from even contemplating it.

    • @thinkingisbananas
      @thinkingisbananas ปีที่แล้ว

      @@TheRestorationCouple I personally don't know much about class Q as I'm a county planner, so don't deal with residental. But there is general shortage of planners, which means to meet government targets sometimes they rush through the apps. I am of view if it can be approved and applicant wants to gain a extension of time, then should look to give time resolve the objections. Sounds like someone at your authority just doesn't like class q apps. Which isn't great if you went for costs at the appeal.

  • @barrieneill410
    @barrieneill410 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I am catching up on your videos which are fantastic. As others have said, you have so much patience.
    This demonstrates how much is wrong with government and local government. They seem to forget who pays their wages and into their pensions.
    The planners should be falling over themselves to help you fulfil your dream that will do so much for the rural way of life and ecosystem that you are trying to rebuild.

  • @Porthcothen
    @Porthcothen ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I'm convinced that council planners reject applications so that they can make money on the multiple reapplications that they know you and others will make .I bet any planning applications for the council's own project have no rejection notices..keep at them they will concede in the end.

    • @pluffer96
      @pluffer96 ปีที่แล้ว

      More like justify there grossly over paid jobs.🤬🤮🤯🖕💩

  • @gingerelvis
    @gingerelvis ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Planning in this country is an absolute shambles, the rules are a mess and the people who work in planning manage to be clueless whilst having a god complex. I've got a friend who works in planning and another who used to work in the Land Registry until recently and both of them say those places are full of people who do the bare minimum and are basically sitting tight until retirement. Best of luck and keep fighting and educating!

  • @garysudds9767
    @garysudds9767 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Hope fully some of the waffle mr Gove announced today will help you out guys. Keep smiling and good luck

  • @peterkrupa5250
    @peterkrupa5250 ปีที่แล้ว

    Similar story with our planning application in Northampshire. Me and my wife with three kids bought a bungalow in a small hamlet of 25 houses two years ago as a project house. All the houses in the hamlet with 3 exceptions are two to three storey houses and two of our planning applications including an appeal were now rejected. Beyond frustrating…

  • @stevelock1732
    @stevelock1732 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks Tim for your information on this we have a similar plan for ourselves here in Cornwall, hope you can get somewhere with yours in the future, love seeing you and your families progress, cheers Steve .

  • @54mgtf22
    @54mgtf22 ปีที่แล้ว

    I call my local council ‘NO’ because they said that to everything you ask.
    Chin up. Love your work 👍

  • @TheOriginal_BigMac
    @TheOriginal_BigMac ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Stay strong you two. Think of the content!

  • @TheSilversurfmonkey
    @TheSilversurfmonkey ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Keep going, you'll get there. Wildflowers look amazing btw

  • @andrewpointon1669
    @andrewpointon1669 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    To keep positive you need to remember that in a few years you will be sat on your new patio with a beer, and all these issues will be a distant memory!

  • @Gary_UK
    @Gary_UK ปีที่แล้ว

    You gave away a few details on your farm in this video... I have a feeling there will be some good news soon ;)

  • @rocksy71
    @rocksy71 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hi Tim, hi Joe, I have to say that I felt my shuffle is rising as I watch this video. We are about to move into our forever home and we would like to do some alterations on it (residential) and to be honest with you, I thought of having to go through all this roof and hassle through a planning committee is really starting to wonder whether or not to even bother as one of your comments have already stated applied for the basic and do the rest of your own that seems to be the way to go!

  • @markhearsey4294
    @markhearsey4294 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Stick at it, you’ll get there…👍🏻

  • @vaalrus
    @vaalrus ปีที่แล้ว

    I’m blessed that all the various inspectors and planning officials I’ve had to deal with were always seated in reality, and aware of the *intent* of the regulations, and willing to observe the in-situ nature of various aspects of a project. That said, I’ve also been aware of local high profile projects where the landowner was a right wally, and doing everything they could to try and get around requirements and procedures, and try and do stupid things with no regard for the whys of regulations, and even less regard for their neighbours.

  • @stephaniegower5103
    @stephaniegower5103 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I really feel for you both. Don’t give up. Perhaps a cover letter saying you are happy to talk should they have any question might help? The whole process sounds very frustrating.

  • @olivermansfield8341
    @olivermansfield8341 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I went to a recent planning meeting and one of the committee members on the board that week asked "what's an annex". Sums up planning in this country

  • @craiglowe44
    @craiglowe44 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Leave the countryside as it is, it's much better unloved and left to rot!
    How dare you pour your heart and soul in to restoring a farm in a sustainable way that meets today's need to diversify and find new ways to make farm land support the families that live there.
    I couldn't have the patience you've had with this bureacratic bullying, hats off to you!

    • @frankklein4872
      @frankklein4872 ปีที่แล้ว

      Wrong. We need higher intensity farming to feed 80 million mass immigration crowded volatile Britain. Look at France, she is on fire, yet three times the size of UK

  • @mandyleeson1
    @mandyleeson1 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    So frustrating and disappointing. It seems similar where we live, the people that try and follow the rules get pushed back constantly, and yet we have a development well over halfway through just up the road, that has no planning permit at all, and no order to desist! It’s a crazy contradictory world, but I have faith that you will eventually succeed. Sending positive thoughts xxx PS Jo, the wildflowers are amazing. Well done!

  • @andie1769
    @andie1769 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Gosh, can’t believe they have not done a proper site visit! Especially when they claim the smaller guttering issues etc. That’s incredibly bad form. Having said that, one would think the easiest way to get the application ‘off your desk’ is to go on site & talk. Then it’s more likely to be complete & ‘off the desk’. Seems like what you are receiving is tick & flick response.
    Sounds like you’ve got a bit further by now, you are both very patient!
    Love your videos, cheers from Australia 🇦🇺

  • @martynjones8919
    @martynjones8919 ปีที่แล้ว

    The council are waiting for that brown envelope!

  • @dougsaunders8109
    @dougsaunders8109 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Many years a ago I worked in building control, I remember my boss coming back from a meeting and expressing…… let’s say frustration about the planners and there large book of grey. There are no hard and fast rules just guidelines. These can be interpreted many ways. He got frustrated and he worked for the same authority.
    The knowledge of local plan is so important along with knowing the people within planning department as you now know 🙈🙉🙈. Makes good TH-cam on the positive side 😁

  • @1x3dil
    @1x3dil ปีที่แล้ว +5

    The level of incompetence with in these departments is worrying to say the least , especially when you consider that certain groups are allowed to construct dwellings in their backyards with no planning whatsoever and no comment from the various authorities . But that’s the state of affairs within this country , one rule for one and ……… Hope at some point a degree of that very rear item , common sense may come to your aid . Best wishes as always 😀👍👍👍
    .

  • @anneleykay9437
    @anneleykay9437 ปีที่แล้ว

    Absolute madness! A local farmer has converted one of his building via class Q and it looks nothing like what was there before as he retained the steel frame but changed the cladding. He’s converted it to a holiday let and it has a hot tub outside. I do think planners reject things on flimsy grounds because they don’t like setting precedents locally. We had the same problem years ago (application was to go from pure commercial to a live work unit) and the council officers were against us but national policy and the committee members were with us so we got it. This battle has no doubt cost you ££££ and a few grey hairs. I can only recommend that you keep on with it. We got a lot of local people to write in supporting our plans. Good luck

  • @blahblahblah742
    @blahblahblah742 ปีที่แล้ว

    You need to be in the dodgy handshake club Tim 🤝

  • @rosehawke2577
    @rosehawke2577 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Wait, what? When you've been talking about "barn conversion" I thought you were referring to the stone barn, not that . .. concrete block and metal warehouse to put it kindly. I'd have to have a view of the bloody Alps for that to be worth it!

  • @pluffer96
    @pluffer96 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Welcome to the world of Clarkson, Just tell the planners that you'er "Do as you Likeys", they will be falling over themselves to give you the premission.

  • @BillyNoMates1974
    @BillyNoMates1974 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    no wonder why there is 'accidents' where buildings suddenly burst into flames. then planning application gets approved for something totally different.

  • @therobsterisalobster
    @therobsterisalobster ปีที่แล้ว

    As a planning consultant I feel for you guys, you’ve had it hard! Class Q was introduced by the Government to enable the sustainable reuse of otherwise redundant barns to homes. For some reason despite the good intent of these PD rights some Councils believe it is their mission to actively look for refusal reasons rather than working positively with applicants to support them! The principle is established in law so they just need to embrace them. The roof overhang issue was ridiculous. Just bear in mind with appeals that whilst an Inspector should be more impartial they could in theory still find other issues not yet known / raised by the Council and if you ended up with a dismissed appeal it would be near impossible to secure any approval after that. An appeal Inspector would be more impartial but I’m not sure Id go as far as saying an appeal is dead certain. I’d spend more time going through another resubmission, address all risk elements until they have nothing left to get you on and perhaps do a pre-app as a gesture so there is no way they could claim you haven’t worked with them, then if they refuse again then appeal it and put costs application in if you can find grounds too!

  • @connoryoung5523
    @connoryoung5523 ปีที่แล้ว

    Can you not apply for permitted development for a new barn (sized to suit future plans) adjacent to the existing, then apply for change of use and finish the build that way. I know ground levels aren’t the best in that field but

  • @garyhollywell2112
    @garyhollywell2112 ปีที่แล้ว

    Guys I feel your frustration, bureaucracy gone mad and such a lack of desire to just verify detail with you and discuss concerns. You do have to question the drivers behind all of this and also the variances per county (perhaps something Mr Gove should be reviewing)! I hope you get the result you need because it is clearly a special place and as a fellow Gloucestershire resident, I certainly hope you get your 'for ever home' approved very soon. looking forward to the next update.

  • @AngelLuisTrinidad
    @AngelLuisTrinidad ปีที่แล้ว +1

    That building will make a great sleeper house, you know like a sleeper car.

  • @tomroguk
    @tomroguk ปีที่แล้ว

    When will we see it on grand designs!? Good luck!

  • @phoenix-xu9xj
    @phoenix-xu9xj ปีที่แล้ว +2

    My niece has had their self build application for a log house turned down, even though they explained, it was the only way they were ever going to get a house in the area and native to the area and both working in the area, based on a complaint, an unofficial complaint believe it or not by the parent of the person who owns the house opposite (the only house on the road) , who was once a counsellor on the planning committee? Their dreams are in tatters. They don’t have the money to go through appeals etc

  • @ThisOldManOfTheSea
    @ThisOldManOfTheSea ปีที่แล้ว

    A question which I can’t see answered elsewhere. If you had modified your agricultural building for agricultural reasons before applying for residential planning permission would you have required planning permission for those ‘agricultural modifications’? An example might be to make an opening in the breeze block side in order to provide ingress/egress for your goats from the adjacent paddock? Or, adding ‘windows’ in the cladding to provide more natural light in order to reduce reliance on electricity (green reasons).

    • @TheRestorationCouple
      @TheRestorationCouple  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It can have a negative effect and if they deem it was done with intention to effect the class q it is not good. Maybe if you had it for several years you could have a long term plan to tweak things.

  • @pompeyjim
    @pompeyjim ปีที่แล้ว +1

    A nicely stuffed brown envelope will get you any planning permission you need.

  • @pauljohn6709
    @pauljohn6709 ปีที่แล้ว

    There is an article in farmers weekly about the government reducing red tape for barn conversions.

  • @BillsCountrysideAdventures
    @BillsCountrysideAdventures ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I'd say get to know the people making the decisions, invite them to the farm and tell them what your plans are, if you don't get anywhere speak to your mp and the local papers. Trust me I know a guy used to get permission no matter the area. I think applications are getting easier from new news from gov today. I'd honestly invite them down and show them what you are like. They can be a pain. But try. Much love to you xx

    • @TheRestorationCouple
      @TheRestorationCouple  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That was my initial thinking. Unfortunately there is not much scope for that with these class q's. Unlike a full app where a more holistic approach can be made and more reference to the whole farm and general approach, it is far more black and white with this route. We did mention our intentions with the farm and our ecologist also reported on the regenerative agriculture and habitat creation which is good. But nothing to facilitate talking about things like building efficiency, renewables, rural economy. Future full application will hopefully allow for that though.

  • @abbidalibharmal
    @abbidalibharmal ปีที่แล้ว

    Tim you are very lucky to have joe she is very beautiful

  • @clydedecker765
    @clydedecker765 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have heard of Home Owners Associations here in America getting picky and snobbish but THAT level of bureaucracy is one of the worst I have heard of. Its not as if you explained anything, you are in England and the rest of us do not understand ANY of what you're going through. Here the city has no such heavy rulings on land usage,. Yes, we have zoning, etc. but nothing so intrusive as to how any particular structure may be modified unless it changes the "zoning" due to new usage of the building (id est commercial vs residential) There are rules about building sizes in certain areas etc. but that is in larger cities. You have my admiration that you can hold your temper so well. I would probably have launched lawsuits against the individuals and the organization long ago.

  • @ralphfell2119
    @ralphfell2119 ปีที่แล้ว

    Having seen what you two have gone through may I suggest that you take this case to appeal,
    You have more than enough evidence against the council and I am sure that you can crowd fund the expence involved ( I will put in the fund if you do this !!) A recorded delivery informing the chief exec .😮of the impending court case siting incompetance of his staff and that you will be informing the press as well,
    Keep up your progress and also tackle the brakes on the tractor yourself. they are all mechanical and have more than likley never had the drums off and suffering with siezed linkages, you will manage it easily and will be good viewing for your channel

  • @andyh9928
    @andyh9928 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Not 100% sure but think you’re in Gloucestershire and if it’s Forest of Dean District Council then I’d give up 😮. Only kidding, but it’s a very tough uphill battle and I’ve been through it several times including appeals and complaints. Problem with planning councils is they’re staffed by uneducated and unqualified power hungry idiots. We found handing over to consultants, who knew the oddities of the council, the only path to success. It’s no wonder this country is in the state it is and why there’s so much wasted tax payers money. Unfortunately we’re being governed, both centrally and locally, by a bunch of utter incompetent muppets. I wish you all the luck in getting your planning through and my only advice is don’t give up as persistence is key.👍

    • @TheRestorationCouple
      @TheRestorationCouple  ปีที่แล้ว +4

      You couldn't be more right! There is much more to this story so part two won't surprise you either. 😂 Persistence is something we are mastering in now!

  • @petemoring67
    @petemoring67 ปีที่แล้ว

    😂🤣😂🤣 WELL!! ... If they weren't Peee'd Off with You before! .... They will be after they watch THIS! 🤣😂🤣

  • @saxilbyjoe4325
    @saxilbyjoe4325 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    So will either of you be future councillors? and join the planning committee :) I bet you'll be glad to complete this headache.

  • @dvdallison
    @dvdallison ปีที่แล้ว

    I feel your pain. At work they had a right headache with our local council. They wanted to replace a bridge over a river! Replacing like for like, Contacted the planning to check before they started, they said fine but we needed to build the bridge so that it would be 1meter above the highest level of the river in case any bats where hanging out!. Even though every bridge in the village was at road level.
    So this hump back bridge was built, the council got complaints because of the height of the bridge, council comes out and tells us to stop as this is not acceptable and we need to go for full planning permission, they were totally deaf to our cry's of you told us to do it!
    Then they became very petty, Amongst a whole list of things we needed to do, one was we needed to instal a handrail because of the height, one was installed. No good, we needed to instal one on each side in case a one armed person wanted to cross!!!! There does need to be a way to complain about this type of pettiness.
    Good luck for your 3rd application, fingers crossed you will get it this time

    • @frankklein4872
      @frankklein4872 ปีที่แล้ว

      Cries....I am German too !!!!! Speak proper English if you wish to settle here

  • @scottmcdonald5896
    @scottmcdonald5896 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Don’t give up guys took me 5 year to get planning on a new build home on farm land planners are so against it at all cost getting a consultant who know what there doing is worth it’s weight in gold.

    • @TheRestorationCouple
      @TheRestorationCouple  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It’s very much about the consultants for sure. New ones now and has made all the difference. 👍

    • @rocksy71
      @rocksy71 ปีที่แล้ว

      You say new ones now, and that makes all the difference, but what is the difference between the old ones and the new ones?

    • @TheRestorationCouple
      @TheRestorationCouple  ปีที่แล้ว

      @@rocksy71 Just not enough experience with the specific area and planning officers involved. It would appear depending on the case officer designated to your app a very different approach is needed.

    • @scottmcdonald5896
      @scottmcdonald5896 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@TheRestorationCouple fully agree mine was in green belt so they had to specialise in obtaining permissions within green belt as there was no existing property to work off. Glad you finally found the right team to work with I remember vetting about 8 people before I found the one I knew could help.

    • @scottmcdonald5896
      @scottmcdonald5896 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@TheRestorationCouple In the end we had to get harsh with our planning officer as they were still going down the line of refusal it wasn’t until we submitted a letter that said if they continue down the line of refusal we will go to planning inspectorate and recover all cost from the authority once they received that we got our approval. I think sometimes you just need to call there bluff and get forceful or they will win.

  • @darrenstrong5389
    @darrenstrong5389 ปีที่แล้ว

    had the exactly issue here in Shropshire, players constantly changing their requirements and contradicting themselves. notice deadlines mean nothing to them.

  • @michaelhorn5633
    @michaelhorn5633 ปีที่แล้ว

    i have the same type of building now , with planning, my slightly different as used previously as a shop , so class MA, however i am sure you have done your research, but not been able to extend the external footprint creates a massive problem with thermal bridging through the steels and insulation design. i am quite suprised watching this video, as you are using the farm as hobby farm , i always thought you would be keeping the large building and converting the dutch barn to your house, not sure on views to rear , but great views to front and some stunning dutch barn conversions in uk , would this be an alternative option? would definately be cheaper , steel portals are expensive to convert , current guide is £3000 per sq metre , so you have a build cost of approx 1.5 million and would take away the need to sort the electric cables going over the roof of your portal barn

    • @TheRestorationCouple
      @TheRestorationCouple  ปีที่แล้ว

      We looked at lots of options. Dutch barn not structurally great, falls within listed building curtilage and certainly wouldn’t get class q in this area. Nor does it have space for two dwellings or the view/space around it. Both create issues with condensation risk so additional app to move to a external insulation approach would be preferable.

  • @videomandan26
    @videomandan26 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Mean while a be a big house builder can remove the barn terraform the land and build 300+ houses with out a care in the world. Meanwhile individual is try to keep a farm a farm but with a modern house

  • @johndavies6246
    @johndavies6246 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Has Michael Gove's planning changes had any effect on this at all. A quote from an article today (24/7/23 ) in the Architects Journal titled "Gove throws £24m and planning 'super squad' at housing logjam" quotes - "And Gove has pledged to cut red tape to allow barn conversions and the repurposing of agricultural buildings and disused warehouses."
    Maybe your appeal/follow-on application could include some relevant details from the big boss. ( I was going to say top man, but we are talking about Michael Gove here!!!

  • @cedarstuff
    @cedarstuff ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Always good to remember that local councils are filled with human failures, who have so little going on in their lives that they get their jollies by making lives difficult with others.

  • @FaenumVena
    @FaenumVena ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Bloody planning debt is a nightmare. I wanted to get a small deck put in to make a very steep, unusable and unsafe bit of my garden usable. They kept rejecting it because the companies who do the decking dont deal with planning, dont know how to do the documents for it, and I was expected to do all of that without knowing what it was they were going to do.
    The planning debt were horrible for getting info from and this went on for months before someone finaly replied and said if what I put on the plans isnt exactly what is built then it will be torn down. I gave up at that point, I cant read minds and cant draw up plans for something I am not building.
    I went through several companies, stating that they MUST be able to deal with the planning perms, some said yes, but when it came down to it, they wouldnt. I think most of them think they can persuade me with just doing it without the perms, but when I explain why it must be done with perms and I cant just try and say sod it, do it anyway, they start going quiet. There is a reason why I was stating they must do planning and they just wasted my time.

    • @FaenumVena
      @FaenumVena ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Whats even more frustrating is, I could put a small extension on my house with no planning at all, yet a bit of decking on a slope? nah cant do that!

  • @peterford7805
    @peterford7805 ปีที่แล้ว

    Not sure if it was mentioned, but what is your Local Authority and planning app Ref number(s)?

  • @DerekPuddick-cl7bm
    @DerekPuddick-cl7bm ปีที่แล้ว

    Do the basics then put in revised planning.I’ve doubled first application with no problems. It’s easy for councils to say No, less work for them. Good luck

  • @aledjones84
    @aledjones84 ปีที่แล้ว

    As an architect, this is an accurate representation of most planning applications I deal with unfortunately. Over my career I have seen the quality of planning officers and departments decrease dramatically. The appeal process is not really a viable option with time and cost constraints and planning committees are absolute joke. The main issue here is the lack of accountability on the part of the planning dept. Financial consequences for mistakes and poor performance seems to be the only way - this isn’t a free service after all!

  • @jibcot8541
    @jibcot8541 ปีที่แล้ว

    This might be a naive question but if the planning office want you to submit a full application instead of the Q change, why didn't you do that? Is it more expensive? Or more likely to get rejected?

    • @TheRestorationCouple
      @TheRestorationCouple  ปีที่แล้ว

      A class q should be permitted providing you tick the boxes which we were confident we could do in time. A full app basically treats it more like a new dwelling in open countryside and far more grounds for refusal. That said, it is our end goal to do it just prefer to have the fall back secure first.

  • @chriscardwell3495
    @chriscardwell3495 ปีที่แล้ว

    Isambard Kindom Brunel landscaped the grounds with trees so that they could grew 24 hours a day while the building work progressed slowly.
    His workers also built themselves cottages . . . how to keep the workforce happy!
    Perhaps you are following some of the key thoughts of IKB . . . However I really do want you to live happily for many years in your forever home.

    • @TheRestorationCouple
      @TheRestorationCouple  ปีที่แล้ว

      I’ll take that! Not sure my bridge over the brook will be quite as elaborate as Brunels though! 😂

    • @chriscardwell3495
      @chriscardwell3495 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@TheRestorationCouple Tim - IKB started the construction of a very lovely home as one of his last projects. I do like your future view 🙂

  • @Tyblubearboy
    @Tyblubearboy ปีที่แล้ว +2

    My goodness... I don't think I could be as cool as you guys are over this. Sounds like the planning department of your Council are on some kind of a power trip. I'd be so angry and stressed ha! Well done for being so calm and positive.

    • @TheRestorationCouple
      @TheRestorationCouple  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Easier to be calm 6 months on i guess. Its not always though! 😂

  • @ComeWhatThey
    @ComeWhatThey ปีที่แล้ว

    The fact that you only got the decisions at the last possible moment on the last day honestly reminds me of reading stories about how the US healthcare system works. Insurance companies will literally reject applications without even looking at them just to "clear the backlog", and doctors have to resubmit them half a dozen times before it actually gets through the system.

  • @dazryan3463
    @dazryan3463 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    From your recounting of events it's not even that they are being sticklers for the rules. They would appear to be too lazy to do the job properly and the default is to refuse
    This is the default for many too councils

  • @disco325i
    @disco325i ปีที่แล้ว

    Looks like you've got the same planners as Jeremy Clarkson 😳😂

  • @Jason52597
    @Jason52597 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wait, permitted development is legislation from the government? Local councils can't go against that right?

  • @Nunners42
    @Nunners42 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Does not surprise me at all with FoD! Always have been a law unto themselves!

  • @dannymurphy1779
    @dannymurphy1779 ปีที่แล้ว

    It can be misleading looking at other people's barns because a number were passed on appeal a few years back but then those appeals were not followed by other appeal inspectors, in plain language it was felt that some of the pre 2018 ones went too far! Another thing is that some people get a Class Q approval and then submit a planning application for certain tweaks to the building, so what you are looking at may not have been passed on a Class Q. Anyway glad you are making progress :).
    You made a very good point at the end about each LA having a different policy, it is what it is. I do think it is justified in the case of your LA though due to there being a lot of highly sensitive sites in your locality.

  • @philipbellew9645
    @philipbellew9645 ปีที่แล้ว

    As an architect with 35 years of experience of this sort of thing I sympathise with your situation. Having to deal with this stuff is so frustrating and stressful. Educating planners and local authorities seems commonplace and they never get the fact that they are mucking around with peoples lives and often destroying their financial situation. Get onside with your local councillor and start to put pressure on from that direction as well.

  • @alexstewart7652
    @alexstewart7652 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    We understand your frustration with the planning process which is led by people who lack knowledge or comprehension 😊of laws, regulations, codes of practices etc, thus are able to trot out a misinterpretation or conformational bias as a ‘fact’. The similarities with recent National governments is stunning. Simply put ,we are led by donkeys, though that is perhaps a disservice to donkeys. Am sure you will get there, and soon be getting your Building Control inspections, who we found to be , in the main, helpful and positive. Crack on, as you will create a wow forever home.

  • @petercresswell5402
    @petercresswell5402 ปีที่แล้ว

    Probably not the video for me to watching embarking on planning permission for an extension....... thankfully we are in the Independent State of Shap.......betwixt the Yorkshire Dales National Park, 15min East and the Lake District National Park 15 min West.
    I'm typing before the ended of the video, sounds incredibly frustrating. I'm hoping the video will have a better conclusion.

    • @TheRestorationCouple
      @TheRestorationCouple  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Maybe by part 3 you will feel better! 😂 it has been a long 18 months of banging heads against walls! Hopefully yours will be far more straightforward.

  • @919Drones
    @919Drones ปีที่แล้ว

    Great videos. Have you looked into using a DJI OSMO 6 with 3 axis gimble?

  • @alanjackson4646
    @alanjackson4646 ปีที่แล้ว

    Councils are looking everywhere for money at the moment, my son in law ( a professional builder) was building a front porch on his own house; within permitted development, someone complained to the planning department, a young lady with a clipboard and digital ruler arrived; discussed the porch with my son in law and said that it looked lovely and went away. Two days later he received a letter to inform him that he needed retrospective planning consent. This documentation, with drawings, cost him £425 to submit. 6 weeks later he had permission as no one had objected. Kerching !

    • @TheRestorationCouple
      @TheRestorationCouple  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I can't see how they make money on this type of app. Every application has had to be looked over by endless consultants and specialists for comment, endless emails, phone calls and a site visit if you're lucky, that surely must cost the council more than the couple of hundred quid the app costs. It must cost them money especially if its appealed, they would save money by just being proactive to work with the applicant. Smaller jobs where it's just a formality perhaps as they are less labour intensive their end.

  • @adelaideinvigilation5230
    @adelaideinvigilation5230 ปีที่แล้ว

    Sadly each time the local council queries you or your consultant that costs money, from what you aired today, most of the queries were in relation to their own planning regulations, or mistakes that they have made i.e. the error in the size of the building. I think I have to agree with some of the other comments about deciding whether there is sufficient grounds and if you have the money to take it to court.
    The other option is a completely out of the box solution such as using that other open face barn or the stone building, but again that now costs more money and more time, so expect to see Eden off to university before you have completed the house and sadly I am not joking!

  • @deanclarke1181
    @deanclarke1181 ปีที่แล้ว

    So sorry about your bad news,keep going guys,oh do you live next door to Jeremy Clarkson.

  • @27lacuna27
    @27lacuna27 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    As a Planning Officer, I'm not surprised. I was curious as to how you were going to get a house of any description through planning when you first started talking about/buying the farm but you seemed very confident so I assumed you had it sorted. In respect of the Part 3, Class Q change of use I would have rejected it on day one and not wasted your time on submitting a prior approval app; the existing building exceeds 450m2 and therefore fails the test under criterion b) There is no 'wiggle' room in the GPDO, unlike most of planning where we deal with balance.
    Best of luck with the full application. I don't know which local authority/development plan you are under but I expect getting planning permission for more than 1 house in the open countryside will be extremely difficult.

    • @TheRestorationCouple
      @TheRestorationCouple  ปีที่แล้ว +11

      450m2 was changed years ago? You can have up to 5 homes and up to 865m2 total. Oddly enough it was exactly what their knee-jerk reaction was until we showed policy for multiple dwellings, which they accepted and was never an issue again. Perhaps not many barns are over 500m2 so less experience with such apps. 🤷‍♂️.
      BTW, no offence/attack on planning officers, just a shame that resources are not there to have phone calls and site meetings as so much work and time could be saved. 👍

    • @27lacuna27
      @27lacuna27 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@TheRestorationCouple Apologies, my area is strategic minerals, waste and renewables so I am learning on the go. Having checked again the limit has changed from 450m2 to 465m2 for 'larger houses'. I see you can have 5 'smaller houses' of up to 100m2 and yes, the theoretical maximum floor space you could create is 1 larger house of upto 465m2 and 4 smaller houses of upto 100m2 each for a total of 865m2. (I'm not sure this was the intention though and I would be semi-interested to see if it has been challenged).
      However, 'larger houses' are still restricted by the existing building being 465m2 or less (as above, I think this limit actually should be applied to Class Q in general - read criterion b) (i) (bb) carefully). If your barn is more than 465m2 then you can (maybe) have 5 smaller houses but not a larger house as well. At least not within that building anyway.
      I could be entirely wrong (this isn't my area) and I realise I'm providing problems rather than solutions but that is just my interpretation of the legislation.
      Happy to take the criticism; it is quite thankless job :)

    • @dannymurphy1779
      @dannymurphy1779 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@TheRestorationCouple To be fair to the council another part of the order says you can't convert a building over 465sm, the 865sm clause related to multiple buildings. Clearly a conflict and most confusing! But is it now accepted a single building over 500sqm can be converted.

    • @TheRestorationCouple
      @TheRestorationCouple  ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@27lacuna27 yeah it’s all quite vague. A few barns around here have got either combination of large and small like ours and also other with 4 or 5 ‘smaller dwellings’ We have actually now secured class q for a large and small dwelling but made several concessions in design/materials to get at least something over the line. More details in the next video though. 👍

    • @27lacuna27
      @27lacuna27 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@TheRestorationCouple excellent news 😃

  • @terrymorton9941
    @terrymorton9941 ปีที่แล้ว

    ... I am so sorry that they have dragged their heals last minute decisions seem to be rejected...... onsite consultation should be requested on site.. not from an office without a view. Best of luck..

  • @mkzenthusiasts
    @mkzenthusiasts ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Come to American Midwest and convert a barn we don't have that "evil planning dept" there are building codes but not some committee of people who don't want to see progress

  • @matthopper7411
    @matthopper7411 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    What is going on with councils seriously! Just craziness

  • @jimmyaustin6087
    @jimmyaustin6087 ปีที่แล้ว

    If you convert that barn where are you going to over winter your stock?

    • @TheRestorationCouple
      @TheRestorationCouple  ปีที่แล้ว

      Outside. Only the goats that need housing and we have another small barn for them and field shelters. Only really used the barn as it was there, we have intentionally aimed for year round grazing setup.

  • @PeteBadham
    @PeteBadham ปีที่แล้ว

    No, I’m not sure where you are in the country, but I’d hazard a guess that’s Wychavon Council?

  • @mikhailmateen585
    @mikhailmateen585 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great video I'm not going to buy a farm conversion know

  • @Ezanity
    @Ezanity ปีที่แล้ว

    Sounds like they haven't got a clue .you got far more patience than me. Lol

  • @bigstul4707
    @bigstul4707 ปีที่แล้ว

    Dorset Council by any chance?

  • @rogergregory5981
    @rogergregory5981 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The council obviously don't actually know the planning rules enough utter incompetence and also think thay can reject applications just because they personally don't like something surly there must be some means of bringing councils into line

  • @sarahcandy1203
    @sarahcandy1203 ปีที่แล้ว

    Seems like so much time could have been saved on both sides if a planning officer had come to site and met with you for half an hour to fully understand what your plans were. All council planning depts are stretched but this is a time when the long view really would have paid off. Really hope you've managed to find an officer with some common sense by now!