Maybe I'm just old school but I don't care about the best graphics nor did I have any issue with Rebirth on Performance mode. Give me the game on time, with no issues and I'll be happy.
This may sound nitpicky if I don't preface that it's a very minor complaint. But in performance mode for both Intergrade and the Rebirth demo, I noticed some moments where an area wouldn't be totally rendered for less than a second. Again. It's nowhere near a deal breaker and the games are amazing regardless. But I think it still counts as an issue.
me too man ... i was playing the original at 90s and when square announce they wil remake the FF7 im happy ... despite all negative comment or people choose over other souls game .. Final Fantasy still in my mind
I'm old school in the sense that the franchise used to always deliver one of the best looking games in the market with each release, and I want that again.
@@riogakun I don't need graphics really for a great game, heck some of my favorite old school RPGs like the Suikoden and Star Ocean series have whatever graphics but excel where it matters most. I've just never played RPGs for the graphics, if they have good graphics it's a plus but not at the sacrifice of other areas.
FF7 Rebirth has been the most amazing experience I've ever had in a game. Ever. It's the biggest game I've ever streamed and even though I don't have a big audience on my channel it was still wonderful and amazing to play through. Red XIII being my favorite character of the entire FF universe only made him reaffirm as my favorite character through his stories, his character and personality. All the character developments and stories felt like I was playing a cinematic experience. The zones, cosmo canyon being my favorite were sprawling and incredible. I only have the HIGHEST hopes for Remake 3
UE4 is a good fit for the Remake games and should be used for the final part. The ONLY way an engine change makes sense is if the scope of the third game outpaces UE4. However, I believe Rebirth has shown us that probably won’t be the case.
Square needs to play the long game with this project, re-releasing the trilogy once it’s finished, get it on more platforms. The PS5 exclusivity is likely the main factor in the slower sales
Which is why the company ended console exclusivity after Rebirth's sales performance. Not to mention releasing all the Kingdom Hearts console games on Steam.
Don’t get me wrong, I want part 3 like yesterday but I am fine waiting to ensure top quality for visuals and performance. I hear sometimes unreal may look beautiful but performance wise has issues. Rebirth was the first time I could play under graphics mode and didn’t experience issues performance wise (at least on my end) and it was amazinnng. So please Square, do whatever you gotta do to make get top notch quality all around. We can’t wait but we will gladly wait 😂. I really don’t want overall quality sacrificed just to get it out faster.
Also off topic, but i just saw a facebook post on ff7 fan page where someone who had only played the remakes had no idea that cloud was never in soldier, and has no idea why cloud is going crazy. And that is something i've never even thought of. That these games havent even explained that stuff yet. I really wonder how well that reveal would work only in the remakes, and how this trilogy is even perceived by people who know nothing about ff7 going in. How much of it does a newcomer actually understand about what is happening so far by the end of rebirth?
They’re the first part of the OG game. If you had stopped the OG in the same spot as Rebirth ended, you would also never know what Cloud’s going through, but the breadcrumbs have been laid out fairly well in Remake and Rebirth and honestly even outright said (in Remake Hojo can be heard telling Cloud he was never in Soldier, and we get the flashback to Cloud in the tank) which was never explicitly said or shown early in the OG. If they go back and play Remake and Rebirth’s main story, I think they’ll be fine. The questions they have at that stage are all questions I had when I first played OG, difference is, I could keep playing the rest of the game. I think the biggest issue with it is people replaying all the games (30+ hrs for Remake, 40+ hrs for Rebirth’s story only, and who knows how long part 3 will take at this point, but bet it’s gonna be a long one) to understand that whole story after waiting years for part 3. Vs OG where, yeah, I immediately went back to replay it with friends to catch all the little things I missed, but whole game probably took 60hrs total to grind and play again. Obviously big fans will do it, but it can be a wall for newcomers overall, along with “where do I start? Do I play OG first? What about Crisis Core Reunion? What about the movie? Do I need to read the books to understand anything? Can I just start with Rebirth, it seems more interesting?” Etc. I think the story itself, because it was already a single well-plotted story, when all 3 parts are done, will work very well. But the fact they had to split it into 3 parts to work things to this point, and I love many aspects of the Re-trilogy, I do think the wait between games has been a huge hinderance for the series, and it may have been better for Square to just release it as a 1:1 remake. Of course, 10, 15, or even 20 years from now after all 3 games are out and easily available to everyone to play in one go and more easily ready for newcomers then at present, the Re-trilogy could be thought of as the perfect Remake! Only time will tell.
imagine the player that only plays the first part and never plays the others for whatever reason... they will think a lot of things incorrectly because of the way they broke up the game into installments. This was one of the things i really didn't like. ff7 is a full story. by breaking it into parts, you break the story and basically people will not play the others for some reason and never get the full story like they would have had it been a full game in several discs.
@patriotsfan122480 yeah I think some people will wait until all parts are out anyway. And Xbox players are forced to lol. But I don't mind getting it in parts. Whether it's frustrating for people trying to follow the plot for the first time. I don't know. But the long waits do give them plenty of time to go back and play other parts of the compliation namely the OG. But I think they will do an all in one collection when it's all done. Like they did with Kingdom hearts, and how they bundled rebirth with remake if you bought it digitally. But I think you're right it certainly does give more hints at what is actually happening, but I think it's probably just enough to keep it a mystery without actually revealing it. I don't think it's possible to put everything together from what they have hinted at. Although cloud rememberimg Zack being at nibelhiem is certainly interesting. Although he thinks he is just the random soldier that got washed down the river and died. I'm actually kind of envious of the people who will find out the Zack reveal through the remake as I think they're going to do a really good job with it.
I think if you don’t know at least half of what’s going on with cloud you’re not looking into it hard enough. If the og never existed everyone would be making breakdown vids to find out what’s going on and we’d all know what was going by now lol. They literally showed cloud as a shinra trooper and gave him lines. They also put clouds head on Zack’s body in the nibelheim flashback. If they didn’t have Zack in the game then we’d definitely be confused but with him in the game it’s pretty obvious
Even old players got confused. New players probably got confusion++ 😂 Or as the saying goes, ignorance is bliss. What they don't know wouldn't confuse them. New players probably enjoyed it more because they didn't have expectations.
I mean it’ll certainly be interesting to see how a title like KH4 turns out once it’s re-revealed, since it also started development as an UE4 game and then switched over to UE5, which more or less restarted its development, much like how KH3 switched engines mid-development. Who knows, maybe the experience from both teams working on both engines will lead to some interesting future titles when UE5 becomes industry standard lol.
From a fan perspective: 100% if it'll only cost them 3-6 additional months to upgrade to UR5, please do it ASAP. I'll happily wait. In 3-4 years Rebirth level graphics might look average and this remake deserves better than that. From a business perspective: as an Accountant, it is truly hard to know what the cost benefit is without actually seeing their costing numbers and ROI expectations. Since those numbers aren't published, we can estimate but we do so without any tangible clarity. All we can go on is the fact they are pondering the possibility publicly, meaning it isn't something out of reach budget or sale impact-wise from their perspective and they are perhaps softly trying to gauge public interest in upgrading to UR5.
This is a long reply I wrote on this video, but if you want or have time to read this is my take, I am just a fan but I am obsessed with gaming tech and how it advances, and the Remake Trilogy Project being one of my favorite games of all time, I have been following UE5's development ever since the announcement back in 2020 and how it relates with this remake project. Here's what I wrote... "I have to disagree with you saying the graphical mode currently is crystal clear. In a lot of the outside areas, you are literally seeing pop in 5-6 feet in front of you, that's bad... You see absolutely horrendous low-resolution PS2 level textures blended in with the nicer higher 4k textures in EVERY MAP, and don't even get me started on the outer layer terrain and distant foliage, that aren't even nice looking 2-d textures of trees, but LITERAL GREEN BLOTCHY TRIANGLES STUCK TOGETHER. Lighting as well for baked lighting looks amazing, but it has issues with leaving dark areas, and there's more texture issues too with the characters clothing themselves where sometimes it will be blurry for a while before you see for example Aeriths dress finally come back into detail. Yes, I would say majority of the graphics, like 80% look nice, and artistically no one can come close to FF's worlds imo, but the graphics mode definitely is not performing up to par especially when you compare it to other AAA's like Horizon for example. Given that they designed this around PS5 hardware(which the excuse for Remake was that it was limited by PS4's slow hardware) it leads me to believe the texture issues, etc. are not because of PS5 limitations but because of the old ancient UE4 engine itself... I was DESPERATE for them to switch engines for Part 2 given we are now outside of Midgar and it would have been wonderful, but I understand why they decided not to, since UE5 didnt release in full production mode until April 2022 and by then they had already been fully into production for Rebirth, and not only that but the engine was still new when it released and needed more time to develop better... HOWEVER with all that being said, I am PRAYING T GODDD they decide to make the switch. It's NOT JUST ABOUT BETTER GRAPHICS! UE5 is great not just graphically for Nanite and Lumen, but also because it DOES help improve FPS and performance at the same time and they have other developer tools like "World Partition", which breaks up massive maps into a grid to make it easier to edit and bug fix massive maps cause they can go into individual grid squares as needed as well as load in each grid square as you're playing the game which helps with memory performance etc. and they have the "One File Per Actor" which allows devs to go into the game at the same time if needed and work and edit in real-time which UE4 was not capable of. Sure, there might be a 3-4 month let's say transition/adjustment period, but when they are fully locked in and loaded, all of these tools help make developing the game faster, kind of like you have to sacrifice some time to save some time. NOT ONLY THAT, but UE5 has officially been in full production for 2.5 years now and is already at patch 5.4 and 5.5 will be out around November of this year, ALL these upgrades made to the engine can also be utilized. Foliage(trees, grass, bushes) all can be used now with Nanite and run at incredible detail and performance, they don't have to take time baking ANY more light because of Lumen doing it automatically, and Nanite they don't have to author LOD's anymore either, IT DOES IT FOR THEM, in addition to the developers tools that take unnecessary time and work away from them so they can focus more on other things. I will end with this as well... when Part 3 comes and goes, that's it, the FF7 Remake Trilogy Project is done, it's over... Square has stated recently going forward, their goal is to "aggressively" make their IP's multi-platform. Another benefit of UE5, is it is easy to program their games made on it for multiple platforms due to it's ability to adjust performance based on the different hardware capabilities. LONG TERM, I think it would be wise for Square to switch engines, they could even go back and upgrade Part 2 when Part 3 is done, sell it as a Trilogy package on PC and Xbox as well, and make a lot more sales. Could they do this after Part 3 if they stick with the pipeline they have now, sure, but that's wasted time... the President said Rebirth did not sell as expected(they say that a lot for FF games yes) so I think they should go out with a bang and really give us something special. Part 3 is gonna release right around the time of the PS6, so I think it would be wise to make the switch, upgrade Part 2(maybe also Part 1 as well) and sell it as a trilogy package to get people hype to replay it on PS6, Nextbox and PC to help give the series more longevity, they have to think a decade, 2 decades after it's release when newer gamers want to play it, is it going to hold up tech wise or will it be like playing the OG FF7 today? Remember, this is not just any Square Enix IP, it is a full blown remake of their highest selling and most beloved FF of all time, even if you are not into JRPG's or RPG's you have heard of how great the OG FF7 was, it was impactful and I don't believe they can deliver that same impactfulness to modern audiences/tech if they don't make the upgrade, will it be great yes, but based on recent articles/comments of how they expect Part 3 to be one of the greatest games of all time, it won't meet that mark if they don't upgrade engines to upgrade it's potential... Here is a link to the article btw..." www.gamesradar.com/games/final-fantasy/final-fantasy-7-remake-part-3-director-says-the-jrpg-sequel-will-be-one-of-the-most-loved-most-popular-games-in-the-whole-history-of-video-games/
Kingdom Hearts IV is being developed by Square Creative Business Unit 1 (the same devs for VII Remake and Rebirth) on Unreal Engine 5. Perhaps as they're customizing UE5 to work for Kingdom Hearts IV they can simultaneously tweak it it in the way they tweaked UE4 for VII Remake and Rebirth to make it work for VII Retrilogy Part 3.
Once part 3 comes out, part 2 and 1 will pick-up. I couldn't tell you how many times I've seen comments say they are waiting for all parts before they buy.
So im glad to see you post your thoughts on this. It was something on my mind a bit lately as well. It's a tough call. I want this game to be the best they can make it, and i dont want it to come out as some rushed product. I couldn't possibly have more confidence in them after what they did with Rebirth. I trust they will make the right decision for part 3. Also, just gotta say this. I was 25 when Remake was announced, and I'll be 34 this year. So, maybe they should focus on getting it done sooner than later lol.
Having bad eyes is a blessing when I can’t tell the difference between graphics and performance graphically, I get with 60 fps with no loss of graphics personally 😂
for me Rebirth was the first game which i was not able to play due to the low graphics, blur and overall look in performance mode. Still waiting for ps5 pro in order to finally play in the right way. No matter what you are saying but there are so many good examples of open world games who really look amazing: ghost of t, horizon and so on
I also felt after Remake the graphics in Rebirth crashed down like crazy. The first hour I was non stop complaining about how bad it looked... after that I complained about so much other stuff I totally forgot about the shitty graphics 😂
I would be so insanely happy if Squenix moved to launching on pc from the start. I have bought a ps3, 4 and 5 secondhand to play FF games and then immediately sold it after. I would love to not have to bother with that and also to get the best version of the game possible from the get go.
The game was a work of freaking art. It’s shameful that most people didn’t buy this game, but bought Spider-Man too. Which was one of the worst disappointing games that came out of insomniac. I never wanna look at that pos game again.
Having part 3 in ue5 would probably ruin the cohesiveness of the entire trilogy. Think the last trilogy of evangelion. By the time they got to part 3, the battles look nothing like part 1 and if watched in succession it is incredibly jarring.
I hope the devs bring back kunsel and clouds friends in midgar because those are the most important scenes remake part 3 because once Cloud regains his memories back, he will remember everything that happened Cloud was just a grunt not soldier before. In part 1, he said shinra troops recognized and said: "cloud, cloud is that you?" The moment the avalanche entered the shinra building, he could not remember.
Anyway I’m kinda in the same boat as you, as long as the graphical fidelity is on-par with Rebirth and the performance is beefed up just a bit better, I’m down with whichever decision results in the game releasing on the best state it can be in the quickest time reasonably possible. Just please fix the lighting engine a bit lol.
When we go past a 'point of no return' in a game, does it make frames and other quality easier to process because the game knows it no longer has to load any random map?
Do I see 100K subs? Congrats, bro! I hate to say it but I'm a PC and PS5 gamer and my PS5 is the bigger bang for my buck. I have to turn the graphics down on almost every modern PC game that I play. FF7 Rebirth would make my computer melt regardless of what mode I'm in. I'm sure there will be a lot of people who disagree with me on this but for everyone who has the high-end gaming PC, there's a player like me to. I guess what I'm trying to say is that "PC" doesn't automatically mean better gaming experience for everyone. With that said, yeah, people need to be able to play these games on the platform of their choice. Especially if it means that more people can play the game and the publisher reaches their sales goal faster. It's a win win.
UE5 is extremely resource intensive on both on CPU and GPU, significantly higher than UE4, so problems with the performance mode on consoles would only get worse...
@@drumjod But Unreal Engine 5 handles open world streaming far better. Sure, it's still core limited at times but the streaming of assets and data is simply superior. And by the time FF7 Remake Part 3 does happen it'll do a better job at it.
@@awsomeboy360 So many problems now with UE5. If they force to do it on UE5, it will take another 2-3 years, and that's still unstable. Do it on UE4 then port it on UE5 once it's stable and release it as a one whole package. Money.
As always NSP, you're insights are amazing and incredibly intuitive. I agree with you, I think they should just stick with UE4 with the custom tools they have for the game and wait until after it's released to do a remastered version of it like they did with Remake for Intergrade. I think Budget and Time should be the deciding factors, you hit the nail on the bullseye. Time is very important for a lot of users... just curious how many people from 2015 have passed away due to illness, accidents, or other reasons who really wanted to see the fruition of this project? It's so sad because I personally know a couple who have passed away sadly whom I wished were still here to witness this great work of art with the rest of us. We're all getting older and as we age we learn that our time is even more valuable than ever. Don't get me wrong, I want the best possible game but not at the cost of not meeting budget for SE, quality of product, and other important aspects.
i'm 100% fine with part 3 looking the same as part 2 and I played that on performance mode. Switch to UE5 does make me a bit nervous, lots of risk involved with workflow and dev time, but if they do decide on that I hope its as smooth a transition as possible.
Congrats NSP on reaching 100k!🎉❤🤩 You honestly deserve it and much more!🙌🏽 I agree with your statements. I usually play on graphics mode and end up sacrificing frame rate, the blurriness doesn't really bother me. With that being said, the time it takes for SE to release a new FF game nowadays, takes too long in my humble opinion...Having to wait 4-5 years between each game, while we used to have FF games come out every year to two years, is a bit exaggerated. They really need to work on this if they really have to see profit made in their sales!🙌🏽 As always this was a great video topic yoy covered NSP! Wishing you all the best🤗❤
I agree NSP, I think sticking with UE4 to finish out the trilogy is the best call for now. I’m sure in the long run, getting their team up to date with 5 would be good, but right now we’re probably looking at least 7 years in total for the entire trilogy to be completed (if not longer) from Remake’s official drop in 2020 to possibly at best 2027 for part, and that’s wishful thinking on our part. Save UE5 for future games, stick with UE4 and try to stay on time and on budget for part 3. I wish Hamoguchi-san would have made this decision closer to a year ago, rather then right now when we kind of already know the story for part 3 has mostly been completed, thanks to translated interviews. That way it gave the team a year’s head start to transfer over the things they needed or to at least figure out what they needed to do if they wanted to jump to UE5 for part 3. Maybe that is something some of them started looking at and prepping for a while ago, I don’t know, but him bringing it up right now certainly doesn’t feel like it.
Chances are they wouldn't even bring this up if they hadn't already made a decision on it. It's just a way for them to keep talking about it. My guess is part 3 is already into development just as rebirth was before remake even came out. But I'm just guessing.
@@Melterer yeah, I agree with that. I’m sure they’ve started development on it by now, since the story was “mostly done” before Rebirth was even released.
Theres probably a lot of things we don't know going on behind the scenes. I think it depends on Epic as well. If Epic want Square Enix to showcase their flagship game engine and offer SE good incentives to use it then fair enough. I think these games are complete game experiences, so there is no doubt they will be remastered and released in Unreal Engine 5 at some point in the future. In the same way Assassin's Creed has remaster the Ezio trilogy.
I’m interested in the game but I’m not sure if it’s going to get a 90 plus on metacritic I haven’t seen a lot of people talking about it and imo it looks a bit dated but we’ll see
@@karemali6941 I still wouldn't count it out. The Metaphor devs made Persona 5 which is one of the highest rated games ever made, and they made Digital Devil Saga and Nocturne which imo are also some of the finest games to ever grace gaming. The prestige behind Metaphor's team cannot be understated and they shouldn't be underestimated. I wouldn't be surprised at all if the upcoming previews in the next few weeks say that 90+ Metascore is a lock.
@@tbnwontpop8857 I get the team is talented of course it just that it’s a new ip and new ip this day and age are hit or miss and I’m still excited for it because we don’t always get new jrpg ips often
@@karemali6941 The amount of people talking about it has never been an indicator for how high a MC score will be. Also, Atlus games have never been stunners in terms of graphics, but that doesn't stop them ferom scoring well.
The question i have for VIIR, is the deal all encompassing, sequels included? If so, then they’re stuck, we won’t see a multi-platform initial release. Secondly, if they aren’t, I’m leery about the chance it would come to PC on initial release, just on historics of no exclusivity deals being made and PC still takes significant time for a release.
I think they need to have part 3 be released on ue4 because if they want to get this game out asap, they would want to add an engine they are more familiar with, and a few years after part 3 is out in the world, they should have the entire remake trilogy be released on ue5.
I'm 100% fine with Part 3 being delivered on the current engine if it hits the same graphical and performance goals. I played on Graphics mode and really had no problems with it, though I look forward to playing on PC as soon as possible. And I have a feeling switching to a whole new engine would delay the project more than a few months... maybe even years. Which would seem a shame after getting everything working so smoothly.
It’s a tough situation they either complete the game on 4 and redo the entire trilogy on 5 for PS6 or they do 5 for part 3 and use all the assets they created for part 3 and make a complete version that updates part 1 and 2.
Honestly I think the best way would be to release it in UE4 and then do an Ultimate version of all three games in UE5. But that would be a huge undertaking im sure.
I don't mind what they do, as long as they take whatever time is needed and don't rush it. Then again that would play into UE5 if they take their time. I'd love a lot of the map to be available, as there's a lot that isn't in FF7 Rebirth.
This is precisely the game engine problem that plagued square enix during the playstation 3 period, and it would be wiser to keep Unreal Engine 4 to maintain visual continuity. And reserve the switch to Unreal Engine 5 for Final Fantasy XVII. In any case, a graphics engine has a fairly long lifespan. The final instalment in a trilogy is likely to be even less popular than the 2nd. So we might as well stick with what's working really well at the moment. They could even add a touch of ‘polish’ in 5 years' time with an EU5 version by redoing the 3 episodes and making us pay again lol.
If Hamaguchi is even talking about this, then that means there is no easy, quick solution, and he's trying to indirectly let the fans know that. I have no doubt that SE has customized the heck out of UE4 to the point where upgrading to UE5 is probably at least a six-month process, and that's not even thinking ahead even further for quick updates to UE6, UE7, etc. I'm sure SE have very much painted themselves in a corner at this point. If I had to guess, I think they'll continue with UE4 for now, and someday, when they start doing (paid) re-releases of these three games, they'll take the time to upgrade the engine along with other tweaks.
Whatever gets the game out sooner, complete, and with less dev time. I am looking forward to the entire trilogy to be finished since it was released in three parts. Anything extending game dev time will hamper them focusing on other remakes or IP. Sales in games are down in general due to the economy and it didn't help releasing ps5 only.
Honestly I hope they use unreal engine 5. 4 held rebirth back so far. the version they had was so old it didn't support FSR2 for upscaling so it looked terrible in performance mode. It didn't support nanite so object clarity suffered in the games open world scope. But even if they stuck with unreal 4, if they even used a newer build of it and got at least FSR2 up and running it'd be night and day.
I agree that the game should perform at its best, and if switching to Unreal Engine 5 achieves that, then it's a great move. Regarding graphics, I understand your point, but we must acknowledge that graphics should sometimes be secondary in video games. Developers are overly focused on graphics rather than gameplay. Unreal Engine 5 could indeed be ideal for the endgame. I wouldn't oppose a remake, perhaps something like "Final Fantasy 7A: A Future Untold." I'd love to see them remake the entire game with significant changes, not everything, but enough to refresh it. If I were in charge, I'd encourage them to unleash their creativity. However, that's just my take on game development. I'll reiterate: I want them to create a unique game, not a repeat or copy of previous works. While Final Fantasy 7 isn't a carbon copy of the original, as it includes new elements not present in the past game, I do wish they'd alter certain aspects like the story, dialogue, and ending. Introducing a new character or romantic options would be exciting. There's so much potential, but it seems they hesitate due to the original fans' resistance to change. I'm an original fan myself, but I'm open to new ideas. Change can be good..
Here's the thing i agree that just sticking with UE4 is more cost effective... but I think long term transitioning to UE5 is more prudent... thinking more in terms of the retrilogy being re released years from now down the line versus waiting for later.
I really hope SE does not switch to URE5 engine just finish it on 4 so it doesnt delay the game longer not sure if they can just port everything over have to start from scratch with most everything already in place for part 3.
as a pc gamer i am patient i would prefer better quality if URE5 can provide that i am all for waiting an extra 6 months too a year for them to move the 3rd part over to URE5
PS5 exclusive is probably the biggest reason its failing sales other than being a sequel to a remake. It remains an expensive system and it will for years to come. The next reason is FF is experiencing franchise aging but that's a systemic issue. I vote for not using UE5, it's not required. They need to expand the battle system and add exciting features that made us wow in the past.
I think this is the silliest take out there. Yall just see raw sales and think thats what matters lmao. The sales on PS5 would be there best margins by far. Most XBOX players dont even know what FF is. PS5 is their best selling platform by a mile. You dont hear this with any other ps5 exclusive either. Just an ignorant take. The issue is that Square went from setting standards to chasing them. Instead of showing people how yo make games, just trying to copy what everyone else is doing. At the end of the day, their games to the real world are at best, slightly above average, and thats something that those within this FF bubble dont realize
@@qownsqud3207 FF7 Remake absolutely set standards for what a videogame remake should be. It is easily the most substantial revamp of a classic videogame we've had yet.
@@ZephyrFate unfortunately that feeling is only within this tiny nostalgic FF bubble. Fact is its really just an above average game that has fun combat but is overloaded with mini games, generic open world, and convoluted plot and thats why it didnt sell well
I've been wondering where they are in development....If they are talking about an engine upgrade, that confirms to me Kingdom Hearts 4 is creative unit 1's next game. They need to get part 3 out as soon as possible. Then get out the ports after part 3's (likely) PS5 exclusive window concludes. But they don't need to focus on other versions if it slows down development. Keep development on 1 platform. Worry about ports after. 70%+ will buy it on PS5 anyway... unless Switch 2 is able to run it, and could get a release.
I want the game out asap. I think Rebirth looked perfectly fine. I'm not supporting devs time going in to more graphical fidelity. I remember people complaining about foliage not moving in Rebirth. I dont care. What I would be supporting is a complete trilogy being remastered in UE5 or something and sold as a whole package.
Even thou the Unreal engine 5 is definetly an upcrade to Unreal4 but be reminded that developers had write a "final fantasy engine out of Unreal 4" that rewriting of game scripts would take time even if the pipelines of 3d CGI remain unchanged. I don't know myself how FF7- rebirth series is written in C++ but it's going to be lot of refactoring if such engine jump is being made. I let Square enix decide whatever they want with their game in this department.
Before talking about 3. Part being on eu 4 or 5 yes perhaps eu 5 and lets All wait for it to arive on all platforms..... But relese part 2. Already on pc ,were so let down that again were waiting so long while this exclusivity bs is killing the mood to even play it..
I dont mind if they dont change to UE5. In my opinion the game looked incredible and beautiful when i played throught Rebirth (Pre ordered and played on Performance mode) But if they will change, im willing to wait longer if thats what is needed
This obsession with everyone obsessiley bringing up part 2 sales figures. Completley forgeting sony is a stake holder in Square and has been for YEAAAARS. And it was mandated to be on ps5 PLUS they devs themselves wanted it on PS5 only. This is the Laura Croft selling 4 million situation all over again
I don't need the absolute best graphics to be honest. But the lighting system that looks weird in 15% of the game is such an immersion breaker for me. And I hope they tune down the games scale and silliness. I don't mind a Jonny or Moogle house here and there, but the game was clustered with this "low quality" content. (Rebirth) Anyway, I'm looking forward to whatever awaits us for part 3!
I wonder if it would be possible for the devs to take some assets from Unreal Engine 5 and add them to Unreal Engine 4 to create sort of a 4.5 hybrid Engine. It could maybe be a good compromise so Square wouldn't have to transfer everything over completely to UE5. Sorry, just my uneducated brain thinking here. I'm probably talking total utter nonsense lol
I really want them to go all out since it's the last game and make the best possible game they can. If that requires UE5, I want them to use UE5. If UE4 delivers the same quality, then UE4. But I wonder about UE4 of course, since they already used tools from UE5 to make the game better. And supposedly UE5 helps with open world. On part 3 there will be the highwind, the submarine and even the weapon battles will be phenomenal events. Even though I understand, I don't really like this idea of kind pressuring the development of the last game to release as soon as possible. I only see it affecting creativity and/or quality of the game. If it doesn't affect, by all means, the sooner the better I guess. I just don't want a possible regret in the future that the game could have been even greater. It seems like the fans kinda rather have the game asap than a game at its full potential using the best tools available. I don't like just even thinking the idea of possibly compromising the quality of the game to release it sooner. Let the devs cook. Also, it's weird but when you think about it by 2027/2028 we will be closer if not already there to UE6, and UE4 will be older and older. By then too, games like GTA6 will be already out (assuming it does well and impresses). There's a chance people may raise their standards for certain games. Again, I just want them to create the best game possible with the best tools available that they have access to.
I think the big thing is how long would it take to convert FF7R: part 3 to Unreal Engine 5? If it takes a year alone without adding in regular development time to the game, then I would say don't bother because that would make FF7R: Part 3 take too much time and money to make in my opinion.
im just wish for next installment of FF7 ( remake ) need more area at the gaia ( world of FF7 ) ... so we feel nostalgic of FF 7 from the origin with new full 3D
I have to disagree with you saying the graphical mode currently is crystal clear. In a lot of the outside areas, you are literally seeing pop in 5-6 feet in front of you, that's bad... You see absolutely horrendous low-resolution PS2 level textures blended in with the nicer higher 4k textures in EVERY MAP, and don't even get me started on the outer layer terrain and distant foliage, that aren't even nice looking 2-d textures of trees, but LITERAL GREEN BLOTCHY TRIANGLES STUCK TOGETHER. Lighting as well for baked lighting looks amazing, but it has issues with leaving dark areas, and there's more texture issues too with the characters clothing themselves where sometimes it will be blurry for a while before you see for example Aeriths dress finally come back into detail. Yes, I would say majority of the graphics, like 80% look nice, and artistically no one can come close to FF's worlds imo, but the graphics mode definitely is not performing up to par especially when you compare it to other AAA's like Horizon for example. Given that they designed this around PS5 hardware(which the excuse for Remake was that it was limited by PS4's slow hardware) it leads me to believe the texture issues, etc. are not because of PS5 limitations but because of the old ancient UE4 engine itself... I was DESPERATE for them to switch engines for Part 2 given we are now outside of Midgar and it would have been wonderful, but I understand why they decided not to, since UE5 didnt release in full production mode until April 2022 and by then they had already been fully into production for Rebirth, and not only that but the engine was still new when it released and needed more time to develop better... HOWEVER with all that being said, I am PRAYING T GODDD they decide to make the switch. It's NOT JUST ABOUT BETTER GRAPHICS! UE5 is great not just graphically for Nanite and Lumen, but also because it DOES help improve FPS and performance at the same time and they have other developer tools like "World Partition", which breaks up massive maps into a grid to make it easier to edit and bug fix massive maps cause they can go into individual grid squares as needed as well as load in each grid square as you're playing the game which helps with memory performance etc. and they have the "One File Per Actor" which allows devs to go into the game at the same time if needed and work and edit in real-time which UE4 was not capable of. Sure, there might be a 3-4 month let's say transition/adjustment period, but when they are fully locked in and loaded, all of these tools help make developing the game faster, kind of like you have to sacrifice some time to save some time. NOT ONLY THAT, but UE5 has officially been in full production for 2.5 years now and is already at patch 5.4 and 5.5 will be out around November of this year, ALL these upgrades made to the engine can also be utilized. Foliage(trees, grass, bushes) all can be used now with Nanite and run at incredible detail and performance, they don't have to take time baking ANY more light because of Lumen doing it automatically, and Nanite they don't have to author LOD's anymore either, IT DOES IT FOR THEM, in addition to the developers tools that take unnecessary time and work away from them so they can focus more on other things. I will end with this as well... when Part 3 comes and goes, that's it, the FF7 Remake Trilogy Project is done, it's over... Square has stated recently going forward, their goal is to "aggressively" make their IP's multi-platform. Another benefit of UE5, is it is easy to program their games made on it for multiple platforms due to it's ability to adjust performance based on the different hardware capabilities. LONG TERM, I think it would be wise for Square to switch engines, they could even go back and upgrade Part 2 when Part 3 is done, sell it as a Trilogy package on PC and Xbox as well, and make a lot more sales. Could they do this after Part 3 if they stick with the pipeline they have now, sure, but that's wasted time... the President said Rebirth did not sell as expected(they say that a lot for FF games yes) so I think they should go out with a bang and really give us something special. Part 3 is gonna release right around the time of the PS6, so I think it would be wise to make the switch, upgrade Part 2(maybe also Part 1 as well) and sell it as a trilogy package to get people hype to replay it on PS6, Nextbox and PC to help give the series more longevity after Part 3 is released, they have to think a decade, 2 decades after it's release when newer gamers want to play it, is it going to hold up tech wise or will it be like playing the OG FF7 today? Remember, this is not just any Square Enix IP, it is a full blown remake of their highest selling and most beloved FF of all time, even if you are not into JRPG's or RPG's you have heard of how great the OG FF7 was, it was impactful and I don't believe they can deliver that same impactfulness to modern audiences/tech if they don't make the upgrade, will it be great yes, but based on recent articles/comments of how they expect Part 3 to be one of the greatest games of all time, it won't meet that mark if they don't upgrade engines to upgrade it's potential... Here is a link to the article btw... www.gamesradar.com/games/final-fantasy/final-fantasy-7-remake-part-3-director-says-the-jrpg-sequel-will-be-one-of-the-most-loved-most-popular-games-in-the-whole-history-of-video-games/
Square can't afford to be anything less than flawless with FF7 and Rebirth got pretty damn close despite its shortcomings. UE5 is the way to go. Even if it means that the game will take an extra year or launch at the start of a PS6 generation (because what we see now, the previous gen is going to be around for a while anyway before a new gen even launches - and with how the PS5 gen is going, wouldn't hurt if the console - bar the sales, could push 10 years as opposed to the normal 8.) And do development costs matter if they've already been paid for the trilogy and are discussing the possibility of using UE5 anyway? it doesn't seem like money is an issue here since Sony fronted the cost of the whole 7R project.
I don’t care about the graphics, I just want them to have more rpg mechanics in the game. Stat progression, skill progression. I feel like Rebirth was a step back from Remake in terms of progression since the weapons just upgraded themselves, I’d like a more interesting system that lets you customize your characters builds.
i think they should release the last part on the current engine, since the harcore fans are already on the bag, and save the upgrade for when they eventually (because we all know they will) release the ENTIRE game trilogy in a single pack, let the PC people handle size and performance matters, give those 3090s or wathever GC is the current powerhouse a worthy opponent
Stick to current engine, that way I can get 60FPS when it releases. I’d rather take 60FPS with a lower resolution. Liked rebirth including the ending so looking forward to play part 3 (FVII Return) at 60FPS.
Honestly yhe other factors are the dei and the possibility they made add a censored update like they did with the first ff7 remake. And fans are not happy of derailing from the original story as well as the possible that many are sick and tired of multiverse theme and degrades the choices made in the game meaningless.
Here's what I think should also guide development: Will you be able to play FFVII: Part 3 on the same machine on which you played FFVII: Remake? I think keeping a limited series like this technologically constrained so that all parts of the game can run on the same hardware is important. IMO, it'd be frustrating to have to get a new console or PC upgrade just to play Part 3 when I was able to play Part 1 on something else.
well that is the problem with just keeping games on one platform isn't it. game consoles while they are good are limiting while a pc can run a lot more games.
i also think limiting a game too one platform normally decreases sales because fewer people have access to it. final fantasy 7 rebirth is a perfect example limiting it too ps5 hurt there sales numbers i think. i cant be the only person that didn't buy rebirth because it want on pc.
"IMO, it'd be frustrating to have to get a new console or PC upgrade just to play Part 3 when I was able to play Part 1 on something else." We already had to buy a PS5 if we wanted to play Rebirth. So we already can't play both of them on the same platform Remake released on. Hell, even Remake's DLC wasn't compatible with the PS4. If they had tried to keep releasing them all on the PS4, they would have already been severely restricted for Rebirth, especially when wanting to have an open world while keep graphical fidelity equivalent to Remake. Imo it would have only worked had they done a traditional remake in one game and compromised where needed, or released them in a much shorter timeframe to keep it all within the same generation. But with that second option they'd have rebirth looking visibly worse graphics-wise than Remake due to being open world and having to compromise since they wouldn't have had more power to play with, so if we stick with the trilogy route, I feel what they actually did with the multi gen releases is the better bet than a trilogy all tethered to the same hardware limitations.
Just get FF7 P3 out ASAP working great in UE4. Then come back and rerelease the entire Remake, Rebirth, and P3 in UE5. It’ll happen either for the PS5 Pro or the PS6.
I could see them releasing the third game for ps5 using unreal 4, then maybe transition all 3 games to unreal 5 when they release the complete trilogy on other platforms
I'd rather they didn't tbh. Id rather they invested that time in enhancing current engine and bringing lighting up to Remake's standard. I also hope the characters dont get too enhanced. Reason being is that I want these games to all feel part of a larger sum and not disjointed.
I think that part 3 is going to eat up 200 gigabytes minimum and 350 maximum due to how big that part 3 is going to be and how much money they are putting on this re trilogy, the biggest thing is I want remake part 3 to be better than remake and rebirth combined.
I completely disagree that the devs are to move to UE5. You have games changing engines but this takes time, resources and the devs have mentioned it already before - running with the same team on the tools which everybody on the team is familiar with and are free to CONTINUE their work, instead of readjusting and restarting progress on a different engine is just the better way to go. We already saw that they are more than capable of delivering the scope of part 3 on UE4, the only issue is the airship traversal which they are working on. The only major complaint being mentioned all the time for Rebirth is the Performance/Graphics mode issue. I mean, seriously? In a market where games (major and small releases) are literally released INCOMPLETE, buggy and outright bad, this is what deters the game? ffs I'm sorry for the rant but this is really baffling for me.
Don't care about framerate. Don't care about graphics. I actually don't like highest performance. I always have to turn the camera waaaaay down cause it hurts my eyes and I can't keep up. I just would rather the game come out sooner.
I'd watch asking them to prioritize PC. Japanese devs and PC ports don't really mix, at least console ports are consistent. SE really doesn't need a day 1 version of the initial 7REmake PC launch. That would crater their chances at good sales on PC. Best to let them release on whatever platform they can make it stable for, then release other ports AS THEY ARE READY. PC is a nightmare to ship a port for due to the millions of potential hardware combos, much rather them dial the game on a known entity first thanks.
"PC is a nightmare to ship a port for due to the millions of potential hardware combos" Porting to PC is extra work, but you're not going to be testing for millions of different potential hardware combos.
I kinda don't want part 3 to be graphically superior to the previous two. I feel like that would upset the continuity of the world. I want it to look the same, but I want crisp textures and good framerate.... IM TORN
No, it already looked great. I just want them to finish and release a solid game. You might also be closing off some of the fan base by requiring more advanced systems.
Maybe I'm just old school but I don't care about the best graphics nor did I have any issue with Rebirth on Performance mode. Give me the game on time, with no issues and I'll be happy.
This may sound nitpicky if I don't preface that it's a very minor complaint. But in performance mode for both Intergrade and the Rebirth demo, I noticed some moments where an area wouldn't be totally rendered for less than a second.
Again. It's nowhere near a deal breaker and the games are amazing regardless. But I think it still counts as an issue.
@@dragonsword8129 the PS5 isn't that great and it will have hiccups
me too man ... i was playing the original at 90s and when square announce they wil remake the FF7 im happy ... despite all negative comment or people choose over other souls game .. Final Fantasy still in my mind
I'm old school in the sense that the franchise used to always deliver one of the best looking games in the market with each release, and I want that again.
@@riogakun I don't need graphics really for a great game, heck some of my favorite old school RPGs like the Suikoden and Star Ocean series have whatever graphics but excel where it matters most. I've just never played RPGs for the graphics, if they have good graphics it's a plus but not at the sacrifice of other areas.
FF7 Rebirth has been the most amazing experience I've ever had in a game. Ever. It's the biggest game I've ever streamed and even though I don't have a big audience on my channel it was still wonderful and amazing to play through. Red XIII being my favorite character of the entire FF universe only made him reaffirm as my favorite character through his stories, his character and personality. All the character developments and stories felt like I was playing a cinematic experience. The zones, cosmo canyon being my favorite were sprawling and incredible. I only have the HIGHEST hopes for Remake 3
That’s so good to hear! Haven’t been able to play it yet cuz I don’t have a PS5. But one day soon I will!
@@jumaanecabrera8091 I recommend it for sure :) good luck!
Started on ff8. Grew up watching ff7. The remake series are solid projects. Full support.
What's your favorite? 😏😏
UE4 is a good fit for the Remake games and should be used for the final part. The ONLY way an engine change makes sense is if the scope of the third game outpaces UE4. However, I believe Rebirth has shown us that probably won’t be the case.
Square needs to play the long game with this project, re-releasing the trilogy once it’s finished, get it on more platforms. The PS5 exclusivity is likely the main factor in the slower sales
Which is why the company ended console exclusivity after Rebirth's sales performance. Not to mention releasing all the Kingdom Hearts console games on Steam.
Xbox won't help it... Also it not being on ps4 is the main reason for the decline in sales.
It took SquareEnix decades to realize that sucking Sony's dick doesn't really help them.
@@nelieltu9730 Wait I can play Rebirth on PS4? I would've gotten it on release day. I thought it was PS5 only!
@@s-wo8781 No, PS5 exclusive
Congratulations on 100k! 🎉
Don’t get me wrong, I want part 3 like yesterday but I am fine waiting to ensure top quality for visuals and performance. I hear sometimes unreal may look beautiful but performance wise has issues. Rebirth was the first time I could play under graphics mode and didn’t experience issues performance wise (at least on my end) and it was amazinnng. So please Square, do whatever you gotta do to make get top notch quality all around. We can’t wait but we will gladly wait 😂. I really don’t want overall quality sacrificed just to get it out faster.
Also off topic, but i just saw a facebook post on ff7 fan page where someone who had only played the remakes had no idea that cloud was never in soldier, and has no idea why cloud is going crazy.
And that is something i've never even thought of. That these games havent even explained that stuff yet. I really wonder how well that reveal would work only in the remakes, and how this trilogy is even perceived by people who know nothing about ff7 going in.
How much of it does a newcomer actually understand about what is happening so far by the end of rebirth?
They’re the first part of the OG game. If you had stopped the OG in the same spot as Rebirth ended, you would also never know what Cloud’s going through, but the breadcrumbs have been laid out fairly well in Remake and Rebirth and honestly even outright said (in Remake Hojo can be heard telling Cloud he was never in Soldier, and we get the flashback to Cloud in the tank) which was never explicitly said or shown early in the OG. If they go back and play Remake and Rebirth’s main story, I think they’ll be fine. The questions they have at that stage are all questions I had when I first played OG, difference is, I could keep playing the rest of the game.
I think the biggest issue with it is people replaying all the games (30+ hrs for Remake, 40+ hrs for Rebirth’s story only, and who knows how long part 3 will take at this point, but bet it’s gonna be a long one) to understand that whole story after waiting years for part 3. Vs OG where, yeah, I immediately went back to replay it with friends to catch all the little things I missed, but whole game probably took 60hrs total to grind and play again. Obviously big fans will do it, but it can be a wall for newcomers overall, along with “where do I start? Do I play OG first? What about Crisis Core Reunion? What about the movie? Do I need to read the books to understand anything? Can I just start with Rebirth, it seems more interesting?” Etc.
I think the story itself, because it was already a single well-plotted story, when all 3 parts are done, will work very well. But the fact they had to split it into 3 parts to work things to this point, and I love many aspects of the Re-trilogy, I do think the wait between games has been a huge hinderance for the series, and it may have been better for Square to just release it as a 1:1 remake. Of course, 10, 15, or even 20 years from now after all 3 games are out and easily available to everyone to play in one go and more easily ready for newcomers then at present, the Re-trilogy could be thought of as the perfect Remake! Only time will tell.
imagine the player that only plays the first part and never plays the others for whatever reason... they will think a lot of things incorrectly because of the way they broke up the game into installments. This was one of the things i really didn't like. ff7 is a full story. by breaking it into parts, you break the story and basically people will not play the others for some reason and never get the full story like they would have had it been a full game in several discs.
@patriotsfan122480 yeah I think some people will wait until all parts are out anyway. And Xbox players are forced to lol.
But I don't mind getting it in parts. Whether it's frustrating for people trying to follow the plot for the first time. I don't know. But the long waits do give them plenty of time to go back and play other parts of the compliation namely the OG.
But I think they will do an all in one collection when it's all done. Like they did with Kingdom hearts, and how they bundled rebirth with remake if you bought it digitally.
But I think you're right it certainly does give more hints at what is actually happening, but I think it's probably just enough to keep it a mystery without actually revealing it.
I don't think it's possible to put everything together from what they have hinted at. Although cloud rememberimg Zack being at nibelhiem is certainly interesting. Although he thinks he is just the random soldier that got washed down the river and died.
I'm actually kind of envious of the people who will find out the Zack reveal through the remake as I think they're going to do a really good job with it.
I think if you don’t know at least half of what’s going on with cloud you’re not looking into it hard enough. If the og never existed everyone would be making breakdown vids to find out what’s going on and we’d all know what was going by now lol. They literally showed cloud as a shinra trooper and gave him lines. They also put clouds head on Zack’s body in the nibelheim flashback.
If they didn’t have Zack in the game then we’d definitely be confused but with him in the game it’s pretty obvious
Even old players got confused. New players probably got confusion++ 😂
Or as the saying goes, ignorance is bliss. What they don't know wouldn't confuse them. New players probably enjoyed it more because they didn't have expectations.
Still think the smallest adjustment, adding “Part” to the title would help alot. FF7 Part 1: Remake, FF7 Part 2: Rebirth, FF7 Part 3: Reincarnation
It worked wonders for the last of us. Also star wars.
Yes but please not reincarnation 😂
Reunion duhhh
@@I2ocker89 ff7 recompense
FF7 part 3 Revengeance 😁
I mean it’ll certainly be interesting to see how a title like KH4 turns out once it’s re-revealed, since it also started development as an UE4 game and then switched over to UE5, which more or less restarted its development, much like how KH3 switched engines mid-development. Who knows, maybe the experience from both teams working on both engines will lead to some interesting future titles when UE5 becomes industry standard lol.
From a fan perspective: 100% if it'll only cost them 3-6 additional months to upgrade to UR5, please do it ASAP. I'll happily wait. In 3-4 years Rebirth level graphics might look average and this remake deserves better than that. From a business perspective: as an Accountant, it is truly hard to know what the cost benefit is without actually seeing their costing numbers and ROI expectations. Since those numbers aren't published, we can estimate but we do so without any tangible clarity. All we can go on is the fact they are pondering the possibility publicly, meaning it isn't something out of reach budget or sale impact-wise from their perspective and they are perhaps softly trying to gauge public interest in upgrading to UR5.
This is a long reply I wrote on this video, but if you want or have time to read this is my take, I am just a fan but I am obsessed with gaming tech and how it advances, and the Remake Trilogy Project being one of my favorite games of all time, I have been following UE5's development ever since the announcement back in 2020 and how it relates with this remake project. Here's what I wrote...
"I have to disagree with you saying the graphical mode currently is crystal clear. In a lot of the outside areas, you are literally seeing pop in 5-6 feet in front of you, that's bad... You see absolutely horrendous low-resolution PS2 level textures blended in with the nicer higher 4k textures in EVERY MAP, and don't even get me started on the outer layer terrain and distant foliage, that aren't even nice looking 2-d textures of trees, but LITERAL GREEN BLOTCHY TRIANGLES STUCK TOGETHER. Lighting as well for baked lighting looks amazing, but it has issues with leaving dark areas, and there's more texture issues too with the characters clothing themselves where sometimes it will be blurry for a while before you see for example Aeriths dress finally come back into detail. Yes, I would say majority of the graphics, like 80% look nice, and artistically no one can come close to FF's worlds imo, but the graphics mode definitely is not performing up to par especially when you compare it to other AAA's like Horizon for example. Given that they designed this around PS5 hardware(which the excuse for Remake was that it was limited by PS4's slow hardware) it leads me to believe the texture issues, etc. are not because of PS5 limitations but because of the old ancient UE4 engine itself...
I was DESPERATE for them to switch engines for Part 2 given we are now outside of Midgar and it would have been wonderful, but I understand why they decided not to, since UE5 didnt release in full production mode until April 2022 and by then they had already been fully into production for Rebirth, and not only that but the engine was still new when it released and needed more time to develop better...
HOWEVER with all that being said, I am PRAYING T GODDD they decide to make the switch. It's NOT JUST ABOUT BETTER GRAPHICS! UE5 is great not just graphically for Nanite and Lumen, but also because it DOES help improve FPS and performance at the same time and they have other developer tools like "World Partition", which breaks up massive maps into a grid to make it easier to edit and bug fix massive maps cause they can go into individual grid squares as needed as well as load in each grid square as you're playing the game which helps with memory performance etc. and they have the "One File Per Actor" which allows devs to go into the game at the same time if needed and work and edit in real-time which UE4 was not capable of. Sure, there might be a 3-4 month let's say transition/adjustment period, but when they are fully locked in and loaded, all of these tools help make developing the game faster, kind of like you have to sacrifice some time to save some time. NOT ONLY THAT, but UE5 has officially been in full production for 2.5 years now and is already at patch 5.4 and 5.5 will be out around November of this year, ALL these upgrades made to the engine can also be utilized. Foliage(trees, grass, bushes) all can be used now with Nanite and run at incredible detail and performance, they don't have to take time baking ANY more light because of Lumen doing it automatically, and Nanite they don't have to author LOD's anymore either, IT DOES IT FOR THEM, in addition to the developers tools that take unnecessary time and work away from them so they can focus more on other things.
I will end with this as well... when Part 3 comes and goes, that's it, the FF7 Remake Trilogy Project is done, it's over... Square has stated recently going forward, their goal is to "aggressively" make their IP's multi-platform. Another benefit of UE5, is it is easy to program their games made on it for multiple platforms due to it's ability to adjust performance based on the different hardware capabilities. LONG TERM, I think it would be wise for Square to switch engines, they could even go back and upgrade Part 2 when Part 3 is done, sell it as a Trilogy package on PC and Xbox as well, and make a lot more sales. Could they do this after Part 3 if they stick with the pipeline they have now, sure, but that's wasted time... the President said Rebirth did not sell as expected(they say that a lot for FF games yes) so I think they should go out with a bang and really give us something special. Part 3 is gonna release right around the time of the PS6, so I think it would be wise to make the switch, upgrade Part 2(maybe also Part 1 as well) and sell it as a trilogy package to get people hype to replay it on PS6, Nextbox and PC to help give the series more longevity, they have to think a decade, 2 decades after it's release when newer gamers want to play it, is it going to hold up tech wise or will it be like playing the OG FF7 today? Remember, this is not just any Square Enix IP, it is a full blown remake of their highest selling and most beloved FF of all time, even if you are not into JRPG's or RPG's you have heard of how great the OG FF7 was, it was impactful and I don't believe they can deliver that same impactfulness to modern audiences/tech if they don't make the upgrade, will it be great yes, but based on recent articles/comments of how they expect Part 3 to be one of the greatest games of all time, it won't meet that mark if they don't upgrade engines to upgrade it's potential... Here is a link to the article btw..."
www.gamesradar.com/games/final-fantasy/final-fantasy-7-remake-part-3-director-says-the-jrpg-sequel-will-be-one-of-the-most-loved-most-popular-games-in-the-whole-history-of-video-games/
Kingdom Hearts IV is being developed by Square Creative Business Unit 1 (the same devs for VII Remake and Rebirth) on Unreal Engine 5. Perhaps as they're customizing UE5 to work for Kingdom Hearts IV they can simultaneously tweak it it in the way they tweaked UE4 for VII Remake and Rebirth to make it work for VII Retrilogy Part 3.
I just want to it to have the same quality that part 2 did without making it take a load of extra time.
@@supersaiyaman11589 It if was only 6-12 months I would wait too, but if it was going to be 2 year my impatience kicks in lol
The most recent game that gave me "FF flying over the map" feels, is Horizon Forbidden West. Such a great game!
Once part 3 comes out, part 2 and 1 will pick-up. I couldn't tell you how many times I've seen comments say they are waiting for all parts before they buy.
ff7 remake should have UR 5. I mean it is fine to release the 3rd part as it is now but they should upgrade all ff7 remake parts to UR 5 after that.
Congrats on the 100k NSP. Well earned and well deserved. Continued success!
Gratz on 100K NSP super happy for you!
So im glad to see you post your thoughts on this. It was something on my mind a bit lately as well. It's a tough call. I want this game to be the best they can make it, and i dont want it to come out as some rushed product. I couldn't possibly have more confidence in them after what they did with Rebirth. I trust they will make the right decision for part 3.
Also, just gotta say this. I was 25 when Remake was announced, and I'll be 34 this year. So, maybe they should focus on getting it done sooner than later lol.
Having bad eyes is a blessing when I can’t tell the difference between graphics and performance graphically, I get with 60 fps with no loss of graphics personally 😂
I'm in the same boat. Probably why I don't give a crap about UltraHD 8K super MAX.
Also, My TV is 1080p anyways.
for me Rebirth was the first game which i was not able to play due to the low graphics, blur and overall look in performance mode. Still waiting for ps5 pro in order to finally play in the right way. No matter what you are saying but there are so many good examples of open world games who really look amazing: ghost of t, horizon and so on
Yeah and they look great and run great. I don't think it is the PS5, I believe the game just needs more optimization time
I also felt after Remake the graphics in Rebirth crashed down like crazy. The first hour I was non stop complaining about how bad it looked... after that I complained about so much other stuff I totally forgot about the shitty graphics 😂
I would be so insanely happy if Squenix moved to launching on pc from the start. I have bought a ps3, 4 and 5 secondhand to play FF games and then immediately sold it after. I would love to not have to bother with that and also to get the best version of the game possible from the get go.
The game was a work of freaking art. It’s shameful that most people didn’t buy this game, but bought Spider-Man too. Which was one of the worst disappointing games that came out of insomniac. I never wanna look at that pos game again.
Some people will always buy mainstream, even if the quality isn't good.
Having part 3 in ue5 would probably ruin the cohesiveness of the entire trilogy. Think the last trilogy of evangelion. By the time they got to part 3, the battles look nothing like part 1 and if watched in succession it is incredibly jarring.
I hope the devs bring back kunsel and clouds friends in midgar because those are the most important scenes remake part 3 because once Cloud regains his memories back, he will remember everything that happened Cloud was just a grunt not soldier before. In part 1, he said shinra troops recognized and said: "cloud, cloud is that you?" The moment the avalanche entered the shinra building, he could not remember.
Anyway I’m kinda in the same boat as you, as long as the graphical fidelity is on-par with Rebirth and the performance is beefed up just a bit better, I’m down with whichever decision results in the game releasing on the best state it can be in the quickest time reasonably possible. Just please fix the lighting engine a bit lol.
When we go past a 'point of no return' in a game, does it make frames and other quality easier to process because the game knows it no longer has to load any random map?
My boy playing my favorite song of all time gently in the background!!
I GOT TO MEET THE DEVS AT OTAKON! I never thought something like this would be possible! We asked questions about the third game too!
Do I see 100K subs? Congrats, bro! I hate to say it but I'm a PC and PS5 gamer and my PS5 is the bigger bang for my buck. I have to turn the graphics down on almost every modern PC game that I play. FF7 Rebirth would make my computer melt regardless of what mode I'm in.
I'm sure there will be a lot of people who disagree with me on this but for everyone who has the high-end gaming PC, there's a player like me to. I guess what I'm trying to say is that "PC" doesn't automatically mean better gaming experience for everyone.
With that said, yeah, people need to be able to play these games on the platform of their choice. Especially if it means that more people can play the game and the publisher reaches their sales goal faster. It's a win win.
I agree with what you said. I just wonder what the deal signed back in 2014 with sony allows them to do
Congrats on 100k
UE5 is extremely resource intensive on both on CPU and GPU, significantly higher than UE4, so problems with the performance mode on consoles would only get worse...
Still better than unreal engine when it comes to open world
@@awsomeboy360 UE5 and UE4 are both unreal engine...
@@drumjod But Unreal Engine 5 handles open world streaming far better. Sure, it's still core limited at times but the streaming of assets and data is simply superior. And by the time FF7 Remake Part 3 does happen it'll do a better job at it.
@@awsomeboy360 Oh, you must have meant "Still better than unreal engine 4..." in your original comment.
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So many problems now with UE5. If they force to do it on UE5, it will take another 2-3 years, and that's still unstable. Do it on UE4 then port it on UE5 once it's stable and release it as a one whole package. Money.
As always NSP, you're insights are amazing and incredibly intuitive. I agree with you, I think they should just stick with UE4 with the custom tools they have for the game and wait until after it's released to do a remastered version of it like they did with Remake for Intergrade. I think Budget and Time should be the deciding factors, you hit the nail on the bullseye.
Time is very important for a lot of users... just curious how many people from 2015 have passed away due to illness, accidents, or other reasons who really wanted to see the fruition of this project? It's so sad because I personally know a couple who have passed away sadly whom I wished were still here to witness this great work of art with the rest of us. We're all getting older and as we age we learn that our time is even more valuable than ever. Don't get me wrong, I want the best possible game but not at the cost of not meeting budget for SE, quality of product, and other important aspects.
Not finished watching yet, but the 'but' in the title scares me.
i'm 100% fine with part 3 looking the same as part 2 and I played that on performance mode. Switch to UE5 does make me a bit nervous, lots of risk involved with workflow and dev time, but if they do decide on that I hope its as smooth a transition as possible.
Congrats on 100k!
Ah snap!!! You hit 100,000 NightSkyPrince!!!!!!!!! You made it in to First Soldier 🫡🥳
Congrats NSP on reaching 100k!🎉❤🤩 You honestly deserve it and much more!🙌🏽 I agree with your statements. I usually play on graphics mode and end up sacrificing frame rate, the blurriness doesn't really bother me. With that being said, the time it takes for SE to release a new FF game nowadays, takes too long in my humble opinion...Having to wait 4-5 years between each game, while we used to have FF games come out every year to two years, is a bit exaggerated. They really need to work on this if they really have to see profit made in their sales!🙌🏽
As always this was a great video topic yoy covered NSP! Wishing you all the best🤗❤
thank you so much!! I appreciate it, and thank you for your continued support :)
@@TheNightSkyPrince Of course Night Sky Prince! Anytime🙌🏽😁💕
Yeah best not to play on ps5 if the image is that broken, wait for PC.
Yep and their inevitable lackluster square port
I agree NSP, I think sticking with UE4 to finish out the trilogy is the best call for now. I’m sure in the long run, getting their team up to date with 5 would be good, but right now we’re probably looking at least 7 years in total for the entire trilogy to be completed (if not longer) from Remake’s official drop in 2020 to possibly at best 2027 for part, and that’s wishful thinking on our part. Save UE5 for future games, stick with UE4 and try to stay on time and on budget for part 3.
I wish Hamoguchi-san would have made this decision closer to a year ago, rather then right now when we kind of already know the story for part 3 has mostly been completed, thanks to translated interviews. That way it gave the team a year’s head start to transfer over the things they needed or to at least figure out what they needed to do if they wanted to jump to UE5 for part 3. Maybe that is something some of them started looking at and prepping for a while ago, I don’t know, but him bringing it up right now certainly doesn’t feel like it.
Chances are they wouldn't even bring this up if they hadn't already made a decision on it. It's just a way for them to keep talking about it. My guess is part 3 is already into development just as rebirth was before remake even came out. But I'm just guessing.
@@Melterer yeah, I agree with that. I’m sure they’ve started development on it by now, since the story was “mostly done” before Rebirth was even released.
Theres probably a lot of things we don't know going on behind the scenes. I think it depends on Epic as well. If Epic want Square Enix to showcase their flagship game engine and offer SE good incentives to use it then fair enough.
I think these games are complete game experiences, so there is no doubt they will be remastered and released in Unreal Engine 5 at some point in the future. In the same way Assassin's Creed has remaster the Ezio trilogy.
Metaphor is on the way
I’m interested in the game but I’m not sure if it’s going to get a 90 plus on metacritic I haven’t seen a lot of people talking about it and imo it looks a bit dated but we’ll see
@@karemali6941 I still wouldn't count it out. The Metaphor devs made Persona 5 which is one of the highest rated games ever made, and they made Digital Devil Saga and Nocturne which imo are also some of the finest games to ever grace gaming.
The prestige behind Metaphor's team cannot be understated and they shouldn't be underestimated. I wouldn't be surprised at all if the upcoming previews in the next few weeks say that 90+ Metascore is a lock.
And Atlus will surely release an updated version of Metaphor a year from the original release. @@karemali6941
@@tbnwontpop8857 I get the team is talented of course it just that it’s a new ip and new ip this day and age are hit or miss and I’m still excited for it because we don’t always get new jrpg ips often
@@karemali6941 The amount of people talking about it has never been an indicator for how high a MC score will be. Also, Atlus games have never been stunners in terms of graphics, but that doesn't stop them ferom scoring well.
The question i have for VIIR, is the deal all encompassing, sequels included? If so, then they’re stuck, we won’t see a multi-platform initial release. Secondly, if they aren’t, I’m leery about the chance it would come to PC on initial release, just on historics of no exclusivity deals being made and PC still takes significant time for a release.
I dont wanna wait another 5+ years for part 3. They should stick with UE4 for now.
Also, art direction > graphical fidelity
Dropping the internal Res to 1080p and using the mclassic ( If you have one ) gets you o a sharp 60fps experience.
I played in graphics mode and was fine with it.
I think they need to have part 3 be released on ue4 because if they want to get this game out asap, they would want to add an engine they are more familiar with, and a few years after part 3 is out in the world, they should have the entire remake trilogy be released on ue5.
I'm 100% fine with Part 3 being delivered on the current engine if it hits the same graphical and performance goals. I played on Graphics mode and really had no problems with it, though I look forward to playing on PC as soon as possible. And I have a feeling switching to a whole new engine would delay the project more than a few months... maybe even years. Which would seem a shame after getting everything working so smoothly.
It’s a tough situation they either complete the game on 4 and redo the entire trilogy on 5 for PS6 or they do 5 for part 3 and use all the assets they created for part 3 and make a complete version that updates part 1 and 2.
Honestly I think the best way would be to release it in UE4 and then do an Ultimate version of all three games in UE5. But that would be a huge undertaking im sure.
I don't mind what they do, as long as they take whatever time is needed and don't rush it. Then again that would play into UE5 if they take their time. I'd love a lot of the map to be available, as there's a lot that isn't in FF7 Rebirth.
Ready to try out Rebirth when it hits PC.
@@supersaiyaman11589 I think you responded to the wrong comment as they weren't talking about Unreal Engine
@@dolurosu thanks you i did respond too the wrong comment.
This is precisely the game engine problem that plagued square enix during the playstation 3 period, and it would be wiser to keep Unreal Engine 4 to maintain visual continuity. And reserve the switch to Unreal Engine 5 for Final Fantasy XVII. In any case, a graphics engine has a fairly long lifespan. The final instalment in a trilogy is likely to be even less popular than the 2nd. So we might as well stick with what's working really well at the moment. They could even add a touch of ‘polish’ in 5 years' time with an EU5 version by redoing the 3 episodes and making us pay again lol.
I just hate how static a lot of foliage is. Barely or no sway and no interaction when you're doing all these crazy attacks. FFXVI has this problem too
If Hamaguchi is even talking about this, then that means there is no easy, quick solution, and he's trying to indirectly let the fans know that.
I have no doubt that SE has customized the heck out of UE4 to the point where upgrading to UE5 is probably at least a six-month process, and that's not even thinking ahead even further for quick updates to UE6, UE7, etc.
I'm sure SE have very much painted themselves in a corner at this point.
If I had to guess, I think they'll continue with UE4 for now, and someday, when they start doing (paid) re-releases of these three games, they'll take the time to upgrade the engine along with other tweaks.
Whatever gets the game out sooner, complete, and with less dev time. I am looking forward to the entire trilogy to be finished since it was released in three parts. Anything extending game dev time will hamper them focusing on other remakes or IP. Sales in games are down in general due to the economy and it didn't help releasing ps5 only.
Honestly I hope they use unreal engine 5. 4 held rebirth back so far. the version they had was so old it didn't support FSR2 for upscaling so it looked terrible in performance mode. It didn't support nanite so object clarity suffered in the games open world scope. But even if they stuck with unreal 4, if they even used a newer build of it and got at least FSR2 up and running it'd be night and day.
I agree that the game should perform at its best, and if switching to Unreal Engine 5 achieves that, then it's a great move. Regarding graphics, I understand your point, but we must acknowledge that graphics should sometimes be secondary in video games. Developers are overly focused on graphics rather than gameplay. Unreal Engine 5 could indeed be ideal for the endgame. I wouldn't oppose a remake, perhaps something like "Final Fantasy 7A: A Future Untold." I'd love to see them remake the entire game with significant changes, not everything, but enough to refresh it. If I were in charge, I'd encourage them to unleash their creativity. However, that's just my take on game development. I'll reiterate: I want them to create a unique game, not a repeat or copy of previous works. While Final Fantasy 7 isn't a carbon copy of the original, as it includes new elements not present in the past game, I do wish they'd alter certain aspects like the story, dialogue, and ending. Introducing a new character or romantic options would be exciting. There's so much potential, but it seems they hesitate due to the original fans' resistance to change. I'm an original fan myself, but I'm open to new ideas. Change can be good..
Here's the thing i agree that just sticking with UE4 is more cost effective... but I think long term transitioning to UE5 is more prudent... thinking more in terms of the retrilogy being re released years from now down the line versus waiting for later.
I really hope SE does not switch to URE5 engine just finish it on 4 so it doesnt delay the game longer not sure if they can just port everything over have to start from scratch with most everything already in place for part 3.
as a pc gamer i am patient i would prefer better quality if URE5 can provide that i am all for waiting an extra 6 months too a year for them to move the 3rd part over to URE5
I think what they need to do is make remake, rebirth and the last game all 1 game, that’ll make everyone happy if they are going to change engines.
PS5 exclusive is probably the biggest reason its failing sales other than being a sequel to a remake. It remains an expensive system and it will for years to come. The next reason is FF is experiencing franchise aging but that's a systemic issue. I vote for not using UE5, it's not required. They need to expand the battle system and add exciting features that made us wow in the past.
I think this is the silliest take out there. Yall just see raw sales and think thats what matters lmao. The sales on PS5 would be there best margins by far. Most XBOX players dont even know what FF is. PS5 is their best selling platform by a mile. You dont hear this with any other ps5 exclusive either. Just an ignorant take.
The issue is that Square went from setting standards to chasing them. Instead of showing people how yo make games, just trying to copy what everyone else is doing. At the end of the day, their games to the real world are at best, slightly above average, and thats something that those within this FF bubble dont realize
@@qownsqud3207 FF7 Remake absolutely set standards for what a videogame remake should be. It is easily the most substantial revamp of a classic videogame we've had yet.
@@ZephyrFate unfortunately that feeling is only within this tiny nostalgic FF bubble. Fact is its really just an above average game that has fun combat but is overloaded with mini games, generic open world, and convoluted plot and thats why it didnt sell well
@@qownsqud3207 And yet Rebirth is the most critically acclaimed game of the year and will likely remain so.
@@ZephyrFate i mean the sales speak for itself
I've been wondering where they are in development....If they are talking about an engine upgrade, that confirms to me Kingdom Hearts 4 is creative unit 1's next game.
They need to get part 3 out as soon as possible. Then get out the ports after part 3's (likely) PS5 exclusive window concludes. But they don't need to focus on other versions if it slows down development. Keep development on 1 platform. Worry about ports after. 70%+ will buy it on PS5 anyway... unless Switch 2 is able to run it, and could get a release.
I didn't think it was that bad but I only used performance mode for the harder bosses so I really didn't care what it looked like at the time😂
I want the game out asap. I think Rebirth looked perfectly fine. I'm not supporting devs time going in to more graphical fidelity. I remember people complaining about foliage not moving in Rebirth. I dont care. What I would be supporting is a complete trilogy being remastered in UE5 or something and sold as a whole package.
Even thou the Unreal engine 5 is definetly an upcrade to Unreal4 but be reminded that developers had write a "final fantasy engine out of Unreal 4" that rewriting of game scripts would take time even if the pipelines of 3d CGI remain unchanged. I don't know myself how FF7- rebirth series is written in C++ but it's going to be lot of refactoring if such engine jump is being made. I let Square enix decide whatever they want with their game in this department.
Before talking about 3. Part being on eu 4 or 5 yes perhaps eu 5 and lets All wait for it to arive on all platforms..... But relese part 2. Already on pc ,were so let down that again were waiting so long while this exclusivity bs is killing the mood to even play it..
whats the background music for this video?
I dont mind if they dont change to UE5. In my opinion the game looked incredible and beautiful when i played throught Rebirth (Pre ordered and played on Performance mode) But if they will change, im willing to wait longer if thats what is needed
This obsession with everyone obsessiley bringing up part 2 sales figures.
Completley forgeting sony is a stake holder in Square and has been for YEAAAARS.
And it was mandated to be on ps5 PLUS they devs themselves wanted it on PS5 only.
This is the Laura Croft selling 4 million situation all over again
I don't need the absolute best graphics to be honest. But the lighting system that looks weird in 15% of the game is such an immersion breaker for me.
And I hope they tune down the games scale and silliness. I don't mind a Jonny or Moogle house here and there, but the game was clustered with this "low quality" content. (Rebirth)
Anyway, I'm looking forward to whatever awaits us for part 3!
I wonder if it would be possible for the devs to take some assets from Unreal Engine 5
and add them to Unreal Engine 4 to create sort of a 4.5 hybrid Engine. It could maybe be
a good compromise so Square wouldn't have to transfer everything over completely to UE5.
Sorry, just my uneducated brain thinking here. I'm probably talking total utter nonsense lol
Rebirth was easily the game of the year. Running through it again. Can't wait for the 3rd instalment
I really want them to go all out since it's the last game and make the best possible game they can. If that requires UE5, I want them to use UE5. If UE4 delivers the same quality, then UE4. But I wonder about UE4 of course, since they already used tools from UE5 to make the game better. And supposedly UE5 helps with open world. On part 3 there will be the highwind, the submarine and even the weapon battles will be phenomenal events.
Even though I understand, I don't really like this idea of kind pressuring the development of the last game to release as soon as possible. I only see it affecting creativity and/or quality of the game. If it doesn't affect, by all means, the sooner the better I guess. I just don't want a possible regret in the future that the game could have been even greater. It seems like the fans kinda rather have the game asap than a game at its full potential using the best tools available. I don't like just even thinking the idea of possibly compromising the quality of the game to release it sooner. Let the devs cook.
Also, it's weird but when you think about it by 2027/2028 we will be closer if not already there to UE6, and UE4 will be older and older. By then too, games like GTA6 will be already out (assuming it does well and impresses). There's a chance people may raise their standards for certain games.
Again, I just want them to create the best game possible with the best tools available that they have access to.
Graphics is important but in case of ff7 what matters most is story and gameplay
Changing engines would be a mistake at this point. I'm sure they'll go for it.
I think the big thing is how long would it take to convert FF7R: part 3 to Unreal Engine 5? If it takes a year alone without adding in regular development time to the game, then I would say don't bother because that would make FF7R: Part 3 take too much time and money to make in my opinion.
im just wish for next installment of FF7 ( remake ) need more area at the gaia ( world of FF7 ) ... so we feel nostalgic of FF 7 from the origin with new full 3D
Maybe we'll get a 40 frame 120 Hz mode in the future
Till this day.. FFRB looked awesome in performance mode.. not once did I say “man that looks blurry” or whatever.. some of yall are picky af
They reallyyyy need a VRR mode on base PS5 version to get it running right. I'm buying a Pro anyways, hope it runs better on it.
I have to disagree with you saying the graphical mode currently is crystal clear. In a lot of the outside areas, you are literally seeing pop in 5-6 feet in front of you, that's bad... You see absolutely horrendous low-resolution PS2 level textures blended in with the nicer higher 4k textures in EVERY MAP, and don't even get me started on the outer layer terrain and distant foliage, that aren't even nice looking 2-d textures of trees, but LITERAL GREEN BLOTCHY TRIANGLES STUCK TOGETHER. Lighting as well for baked lighting looks amazing, but it has issues with leaving dark areas, and there's more texture issues too with the characters clothing themselves where sometimes it will be blurry for a while before you see for example Aeriths dress finally come back into detail. Yes, I would say majority of the graphics, like 80% look nice, and artistically no one can come close to FF's worlds imo, but the graphics mode definitely is not performing up to par especially when you compare it to other AAA's like Horizon for example. Given that they designed this around PS5 hardware(which the excuse for Remake was that it was limited by PS4's slow hardware) it leads me to believe the texture issues, etc. are not because of PS5 limitations but because of the old ancient UE4 engine itself...
I was DESPERATE for them to switch engines for Part 2 given we are now outside of Midgar and it would have been wonderful, but I understand why they decided not to, since UE5 didnt release in full production mode until April 2022 and by then they had already been fully into production for Rebirth, and not only that but the engine was still new when it released and needed more time to develop better...
HOWEVER with all that being said, I am PRAYING T GODDD they decide to make the switch. It's NOT JUST ABOUT BETTER GRAPHICS! UE5 is great not just graphically for Nanite and Lumen, but also because it DOES help improve FPS and performance at the same time and they have other developer tools like "World Partition", which breaks up massive maps into a grid to make it easier to edit and bug fix massive maps cause they can go into individual grid squares as needed as well as load in each grid square as you're playing the game which helps with memory performance etc. and they have the "One File Per Actor" which allows devs to go into the game at the same time if needed and work and edit in real-time which UE4 was not capable of. Sure, there might be a 3-4 month let's say transition/adjustment period, but when they are fully locked in and loaded, all of these tools help make developing the game faster, kind of like you have to sacrifice some time to save some time. NOT ONLY THAT, but UE5 has officially been in full production for 2.5 years now and is already at patch 5.4 and 5.5 will be out around November of this year, ALL these upgrades made to the engine can also be utilized. Foliage(trees, grass, bushes) all can be used now with Nanite and run at incredible detail and performance, they don't have to take time baking ANY more light because of Lumen doing it automatically, and Nanite they don't have to author LOD's anymore either, IT DOES IT FOR THEM, in addition to the developers tools that take unnecessary time and work away from them so they can focus more on other things.
I will end with this as well... when Part 3 comes and goes, that's it, the FF7 Remake Trilogy Project is done, it's over... Square has stated recently going forward, their goal is to "aggressively" make their IP's multi-platform. Another benefit of UE5, is it is easy to program their games made on it for multiple platforms due to it's ability to adjust performance based on the different hardware capabilities. LONG TERM, I think it would be wise for Square to switch engines, they could even go back and upgrade Part 2 when Part 3 is done, sell it as a Trilogy package on PC and Xbox as well, and make a lot more sales. Could they do this after Part 3 if they stick with the pipeline they have now, sure, but that's wasted time... the President said Rebirth did not sell as expected(they say that a lot for FF games yes) so I think they should go out with a bang and really give us something special. Part 3 is gonna release right around the time of the PS6, so I think it would be wise to make the switch, upgrade Part 2(maybe also Part 1 as well) and sell it as a trilogy package to get people hype to replay it on PS6, Nextbox and PC to help give the series more longevity after Part 3 is released, they have to think a decade, 2 decades after it's release when newer gamers want to play it, is it going to hold up tech wise or will it be like playing the OG FF7 today? Remember, this is not just any Square Enix IP, it is a full blown remake of their highest selling and most beloved FF of all time, even if you are not into JRPG's or RPG's you have heard of how great the OG FF7 was, it was impactful and I don't believe they can deliver that same impactfulness to modern audiences/tech if they don't make the upgrade, will it be great yes, but based on recent articles/comments of how they expect Part 3 to be one of the greatest games of all time, it won't meet that mark if they don't upgrade engines to upgrade it's potential... Here is a link to the article btw...
www.gamesradar.com/games/final-fantasy/final-fantasy-7-remake-part-3-director-says-the-jrpg-sequel-will-be-one-of-the-most-loved-most-popular-games-in-the-whole-history-of-video-games/
Square can't afford to be anything less than flawless with FF7 and Rebirth got pretty damn close despite its shortcomings. UE5 is the way to go. Even if it means that the game will take an extra year or launch at the start of a PS6 generation (because what we see now, the previous gen is going to be around for a while anyway before a new gen even launches - and with how the PS5 gen is going, wouldn't hurt if the console - bar the sales, could push 10 years as opposed to the normal 8.)
And do development costs matter if they've already been paid for the trilogy and are discussing the possibility of using UE5 anyway? it doesn't seem like money is an issue here since Sony fronted the cost of the whole 7R project.
Even if it takes a few extra months I'm fine with that if the game looks better. Hopefully it's not locked to PlayStation for a year to.
The best thing for the final part to do would be to come out for more than just PS5. At least have a steam version...
I don’t care about the graphics, I just want them to have more rpg mechanics in the game. Stat progression, skill progression. I feel like Rebirth was a step back from Remake in terms of progression since the weapons just upgraded themselves, I’d like a more interesting system that lets you customize your characters builds.
i think they should release the last part on the current engine, since the harcore fans are already on the bag, and save the upgrade for when they eventually (because we all know they will) release the ENTIRE game trilogy in a single pack, let the PC people handle size and performance matters, give those 3090s or wathever GC is the current powerhouse a worthy opponent
The rtx 4090
Stick to current engine, that way I can get 60FPS when it releases. I’d rather take 60FPS with a lower resolution. Liked rebirth including the ending so looking forward to play part 3 (FVII Return) at 60FPS.
Honestly yhe other factors are the dei and the possibility they made add a censored update like they did with the first ff7 remake. And fans are not happy of derailing from the original story as well as the possible that many are sick and tired of multiverse theme and degrades the choices made in the game meaningless.
Excellent video, the points you bring up are very valid but I would love to see this game in UE5.
Here's what I think should also guide development: Will you be able to play FFVII: Part 3 on the same machine on which you played FFVII: Remake? I think keeping a limited series like this technologically constrained so that all parts of the game can run on the same hardware is important. IMO, it'd be frustrating to have to get a new console or PC upgrade just to play Part 3 when I was able to play Part 1 on something else.
well that is the problem with just keeping games on one platform isn't it. game consoles while they are good are limiting while a pc can run a lot more games.
i also think limiting a game too one platform normally decreases sales because fewer people have access to it. final fantasy 7 rebirth is a perfect example limiting it too ps5 hurt there sales numbers i think. i cant be the only person that didn't buy rebirth because it want on pc.
"IMO, it'd be frustrating to have to get a new console or PC upgrade just to play Part 3 when I was able to play Part 1 on something else."
We already had to buy a PS5 if we wanted to play Rebirth. So we already can't play both of them on the same platform Remake released on. Hell, even Remake's DLC wasn't compatible with the PS4.
If they had tried to keep releasing them all on the PS4, they would have already been severely restricted for Rebirth, especially when wanting to have an open world while keep graphical fidelity equivalent to Remake.
Imo it would have only worked had they done a traditional remake in one game and compromised where needed, or released them in a much shorter timeframe to keep it all within the same generation.
But with that second option they'd have rebirth looking visibly worse graphics-wise than Remake due to being open world and having to compromise since they wouldn't have had more power to play with, so if we stick with the trilogy route, I feel what they actually did with the multi gen releases is the better bet than a trilogy all tethered to the same hardware limitations.
@@dolurosu part 1 of final fantasy remake trilogy was ps4 they ported it to ps5 you don't think they would think to do something similar with part 3
Just get FF7 P3 out ASAP working great in UE4. Then come back and rerelease the entire Remake, Rebirth, and P3 in UE5. It’ll happen either for the PS5 Pro or the PS6.
I could see them releasing the third game for ps5 using unreal 4, then maybe transition all 3 games to unreal 5 when they release the complete trilogy on other platforms
I'd rather they didn't tbh. Id rather they invested that time in enhancing current engine and bringing lighting up to Remake's standard.
I also hope the characters dont get too enhanced.
Reason being is that I want these games to all feel part of a larger sum and not disjointed.
I think that part 3 is going to eat up 200 gigabytes minimum and 350 maximum due to how big that part 3 is going to be and how much money they are putting on this re trilogy, the biggest thing is I want remake part 3 to be better than remake and rebirth combined.
I completely disagree that the devs are to move to UE5. You have games changing engines but this takes time, resources and the devs have mentioned it already before - running with the same team on the tools which everybody on the team is familiar with and are free to CONTINUE their work, instead of readjusting and restarting progress on a different engine is just the better way to go.
We already saw that they are more than capable of delivering the scope of part 3 on UE4, the only issue is the airship traversal which they are working on.
The only major complaint being mentioned all the time for Rebirth is the Performance/Graphics mode issue. I mean, seriously?
In a market where games (major and small releases) are literally released INCOMPLETE, buggy and outright bad, this is what deters the game? ffs
I'm sorry for the rant but this is really baffling for me.
Don't care about framerate. Don't care about graphics. I actually don't like highest performance. I always have to turn the camera waaaaay down cause it hurts my eyes and I can't keep up. I just would rather the game come out sooner.
I'd watch asking them to prioritize PC. Japanese devs and PC ports don't really mix, at least console ports are consistent. SE really doesn't need a day 1 version of the initial 7REmake PC launch. That would crater their chances at good sales on PC. Best to let them release on whatever platform they can make it stable for, then release other ports AS THEY ARE READY.
PC is a nightmare to ship a port for due to the millions of potential hardware combos, much rather them dial the game on a known entity first thanks.
"PC is a nightmare to ship a port for due to the millions of potential hardware combos"
Porting to PC is extra work, but you're not going to be testing for millions of different potential hardware combos.
I kinda don't want part 3 to be graphically superior to the previous two. I feel like that would upset the continuity of the world. I want it to look the same, but I want crisp textures and good framerate.... IM TORN
What is with the PC Version of rebirth??? :(
16 not out yet, rebirth longer wait
No, it already looked great. I just want them to finish and release a solid game. You might also be closing off some of the fan base by requiring more advanced systems.