How Does Barrel Length Affect Accuracy?
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- Paul tests how barrel length affects accuracy with his Dan Wesson Pistol Pack.
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Hey everyone,
First, you have not won a prize, that's a scam that we can't block.
Secondly, many people have commented on me noy using a rest or vice. Remember, we were evaluating the effect of barrel and sighting plane on the accuracy achieved by the average shooter, not the gun itself.
Thank you for taking the time to let everybody know bud I hate those people that try that crap.
Since you seem plagued by the ubiquitous flyer, is there something we can do as shooters to eliminate it? Be interesting to hear ways to eliminate or mitigate it.
Interesting video. These results tend to fall in line with my experience. I'm continually surprised how I can often shoot a three-to-six inch barrel almost as well as an 8" barrel, but when I get down to a 2" barrel, it's way more of a challenge.
The man, the myth, the legend himself.
Interesting. I wonder how the findings can be explained! Both shifts and spread
Bean Dip Willie
"At the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established" Looks like we got our two witnesses! :)
I would like to see a 2” barrel with a 6” sight radius.
I can shoot a gun with a long barrel just as poorly as I can shoot a gun with a short barrel. A talent, I guess. Thanks for sharing.
Guess we should be a talented team lol
Paul's channel should be at the forefront of firearm education. He is an excellent example.
Agreed, no political undertones or overtones, no company plugs, just info and emphasis on the fact that his opinion is all based on his training and his experiences.
True
Or just use common sense and network with other shooters?
Well, he is, in fact, whatchu call a professional
Agreed.
Alright !! The Dan Wesson pistol pac again, love it !
BTW, Paul shooting the mini silhouette targets make the groups look larger. Those groups can be easily covered by his hand.
Love the pistol pack, I only have a 14-2 with the 6" barrel but man those DWs are smooth.
Half-size targets? And here I thought them were just HUGE bullets.
Humbling at 20 yards. (Scary at 50)
Paul started this channel sole so he could one day justify buying one
Hi from Prague, the Czech Republic.
I really love your videos! Thank you (and your team) for all the hard work!
There's the obvious information value to your presentations, but I also find them to be strangely relaxing.
Perfect!
Thanks for the video Paul. I watch them all, just don't often comment. I've noticed on many of my firearms that there is a significant difference between cold barrel and warm barrel precision. However, some guns exhibit almost no change from first shot to last. I'd love to see a video on that topic and see if any conclusions can be made.
For my curiosity, does there seem to be any trends by age as to which guns land in which group?
@@bBlaF a lot of it is probably down to metallurgy of the barrel so for example a hot SR-15 would be more accurate than a hot psa
@@bravo6959 Why I'm asking about trends by age.
@@bBlaF Well, I have a rifle I bought in 1985 and a 2 year old rifle that both tend to shoot high when cold, one high-right and one high and ever-so-slightly left. My oldest pistol and another that is roughly 2.5-3 years old shoots the same cold or hot while my newest takes 5 or 6 rounds before the group tightens up. I also have a couple month old PCC that is nearly dead on cold or hot.
@@JeffHammerFishing Does the 1985 open up any more than the others? Specifically a loss of precision rather than accuracy as Paul marked the distinction in this video.
Paul. Thank you for presenting the facts and being a voice of reason. Appreciate you very much.
Paul, please do a video on the do's and don'ts after the fact, when you're involved in a self defense shooting, thanks !
Didnt he already?
He doesn't feel comfortable being that forthright. 'Everybody's got opinions, man, and like, I'm just sharing mine, man.' - Paul
Make it out of there alive, exercise the 5th, and get a lawyer.
That's the kind of knowledge you should already have before carrying a firearm.
Watch his previous videos.
I just bought one of these recently and am so excited to see it making appearances in your videos. Thanks, Paul!
It strikes me as reasonable, however, that as a target gets progressively further away, the extra barrel length becomes more important for precisely the front sight post issue you mentioned.
Maybe the manufacturer should consider a narrower sight post on the shorter barrels
It's the sight picture front blade vs. rear notch relationship that becomes affected with the sight radius differences. Whatever combination of those two sights gives you better precision, should have better effect on targets at any distance.
Paul should get praise for keeping it purely educational. No politics, no bias, just straight to the point of discussion.
Granted, he talks about certain topics simply because of the high demand from commenters, which is understandable.
Back in the day of Ransom Rests short barrel guns produced accuracy on par to their longer barrel cousins. I have read the claim that bullet stability was established in the first inch.
This was so interesting! I've always just assumed that longer barrel = more accurate. A good reminder to question one's assumptions (in all areas of life).
I suppose the actual sights being used could make a difference here. As you said, the sight picture can get too full or be too empty. European style target sights tend to often be very square and easy to see.
I, as someone with long skinny hands, and a broken pinky knuckle find the grips themselves are maybe the most important to accuracy. Some of these very flat, thinner grips are terrible for me. Can’t hit anything, because they don’t fit my hand.
My hands look like 45's. Big palm, short fingers. Not good for a full-on 1911, if one-handed. OK with two in a clasp.
For you, maybe add thicker grip?
@@jeffreyleonard7210 Huh, I always wanted a 1911, but maybe it isn’t for me. 😢. I got the Sig 226 that has the more modern grip. As much as I like that old 2 piece grip, this one is awesome for me….though maybe not for everyone. Not as sexy to look at either.
I used to have a beretta storm pistol. Either it had a problem, or I sucked on it….but I think it was me. That grip was horrible for me.
I’m target shooting with an old 22 that had a very 1911 grip, but I got target grips now. Absolutely perfect.
@@jimf1964 channel your inner Browning and find yourself a 1911. If not for you, then for John Moses
@@whoshotashleybabbitt4924 😂😂
Oh my! It isn't raining on you! Pretty and green. Great videos Paul.... always appreciate your help/work!
"A pistol brace on that Dan Wesson would make this video go much faster."
- Congressman David Cicilline
Really appreciate your scientific approach to these questions, including your acknowledgment of potential confounding factors.
Best firearm info on TH-cam presented in the most entertaining way!
I gonna need that information in like maybe 3 years, but I'm still want to watch it) thank you for your videos, Paul
longer sight radis always adds to accuracy but nothing beats practice with your barrel length
Thanks for the video Paul and crew
I've been wanting this video for so long. Thank you!
And again, Paul does an amazing job of answering the question. Thank you sir. have a great weekend.
The steady shift upwards of the groups left me scratching my head...
Also the minimal impact the barrel length has on precision. Seems like it doesn't have that much of an effect until you hit rock bottom with the 2" one...that came as a surprise
It’s a really interesting discussion, and a good video, thanks guys! I have discovered that sometimes there doesn’t seem to be a whole lot of rhyme or reason. I’ve had very short barrels that were extremely accurate for me, and yet I could go to a longer barrel and get keyholing or really screwed up accuracy, and a lot of it seemed to do with the grain weight, the type of rifling, the type of powder… And the velocity, which different calibers would be different anyway. It comes down more to you finding what ammunition functions best in some given barrel. For example, a G26 will like a certain load really well, but it won’t be quite as accurate in a G17. Counterintuitive, but maybe it has to do something with how much spin it is getting, etc. Not that it’s bad or anything, just you kind of have to home in on what grain weight/brand/load for each pistol to find out what it really really likes the best. Really fascinating stuff.
With standard loads, pretty much just comes down to the sight radius. However, hot loads or lighter than normal bullets may experience less stabilization from short barrels. Now let's see what Paul has to say about it...
Wonderful presentation thank you! It makes me so happy to find your channel, very knowledgeable and sophisticated presentation of firearms !
As Always, Best Gun Channel & Presentation Out There & It Looks Like The 4" Barrell Killed 'em Quicker! Thank You.
I love Dan Wesson I have two of them!
Now do a video on how accuracy affects barrel length.
I like the mental imagery this conjures.
Good to see you are having good weather in this video. Thanks for another video very informative.
👍🏻👍🏻Great video Paul….. Thanks
Please perform the Dickens Drill. 10 shots from 40 yards away in 15 seconds (cold)
THANKYOU FOR YOUR TIME AND EFFORT WAS GREATLY APPRECIATED
I liked how you did sir explain the difference between precision and accuracy. As someone who did fairly better in physics than other subjects, and as one who liked the subject. I am glad you did! Thanks!
The REAL reason Paul is using the Dan Wesson pistol pack is he casually wants to flex on the rest of us.
As always, great video and I won’t try any of this at home.
I couldn't try it at home even if I wanted to. I can't even find a Dan Wesson revolver package, let alone use it.
I was just gifted one.
Learn something new with each video! Thanks Paul.
Very nice demonstration. New vocabulary for today, precision in shooting. Thanks for the video.
Brilliant presentation as always
Friday after work and a Paul harrell video pops up. Gonna be a great weekend
Thanks, great video, Paul
Love these type of well-controlled experiments
I remember decades ago someone did a test with a scoped Ruger Super Redhawk. They used the same barrel just cut an inch off every test. If I recall accuracy didn't seem to be effected.
Lmao, at the end i bet it looked just like that ruger with the one inch barrel and no front sight that they sell for some reason.
This man's sense of humor is criminally under rated.
I am anxiously awaiting for the Thanksgiving special!!!
I consider myself as having a reasonable amount of knowledge and experience in this area, without tooting my own tuba too much I'd say quite a bit more than average. But I watch all of Paul's (and others) videos religiously. And yes, a lot of stuff is redundant to me, some of it (not much) I disagree with to a varying degree. But one thing I have to say is that with every video I watch I come away knowing more than I did before. Even with the small amount of stuff I take issue with, the rationale behind it at least gives me more information to consider. Paul is in my opinion required viewing for anyone serious about this. Even the terrible channels with terrible information are worth watching as there's usually some nugget of info in there worth knowing, the trick is to recognize the good from the bad, with Paul that's not something I need to do though.
Damn Paul, new camera looking good! Or at least you upped the resolution and bitrate. Looks great!
When I got my Sig P320 M17 I was really impressed as to how accurate it was. I later bought a Sig P365XL and didn't think it was as accurate, but since I have had more practice with it, I find I can shoot just about as accurately with it as my P320.
I didn't expect to hear Freud cited for this presentation.
Wish I could shoot like you. Love all the Knowledge you share .
Good info Paul! Thanks!
Crazy how you can watch his subconscious corrections on the paper!
Best gun channel PERIOD!!!!!
Yay!!!! new camera quality! congrats!!!!
"Sometimes a Smurf is just a Smurf" - brilliant!!!
In addition to loving anything Paul shares with us, I found it particularly interesting that the groups climbed as apposed to dropping. Discounting the snubby.
Great video! very informative. thanks Paul!
Thanks for making the Handgun Barrel Length Accuracy video.
I always learn from your videos, this time I think due to the size of your cardboard backer for your targets it was moving enough in the wind to affect your groups.....as always I appreciate your videos along with the educational value of them
Everytime that Paul says "... in the hands of The Average Shooter" and points to himself I do feel like under "The Subpar Shooter" article in the Britannica Enciclopaedia the picture is mine.
Thanks for bringing this topic to light. I have been trying, and proving, to people that it is sight radius not barrel length that makes the difference. And the type of sights as well. A S & W model 36 with a groove cut in the top strap will be "less accurate" than one with a nice set of sights like the Dan Wesson. Keep up the great videos.
That's a real nice range Paul has the access to, the nature is just gorgeous. Great place to make good quality videos and maybe camp sometimes too.
Paul, you are not an 'average' shooter; and regardless, to do an "accuracy" test/demonstration you have to remove as many variables as possible. I'm not complaining, I'm just stating the obvious, and you know it. Overall, this presentation is professional and useful; the key takeaways were solidly delivered. Thanks again.
Paul , you missed another point to barrel length. When i tested for myself years back what you did in this video. I discovered that at a set range barrel length is trivial. However, what you will notice is if you keep backing away from the target with the same barrel length, at say 5 yards, shoot, reload, back off 5, shoot, you get the picture. You will notice the groupings get larger as the distance increases. This not so much the case with the longer barrels (8",6"). I used my model 66 with 6" barrel, my friend used a Ruger GP-100 with 4" barrel. We shot at bowling pins with 38special lead heads (.358, 254gn lead). Same ammo for both guns. Both worked well with the ammo. We started out at 20 yards. By the time my friend reached 50 yards he was putting 2-3 rounds into the pins. We repeated this test 2 times. Each time we switched guns. We found out that the S&W 66 with the 6" barrel could consistently hit bowling pins at 70 yards. About 35-40 for the GP-100. We didn't continue past 70 yards with the S&W, we didn't see a point. A few years later i shot a Coyote with the S&W 66. We figured at no less than 110 yards, with a .357 mag, federal 125 gn jacked hollow soft point. Straight shot, dead on aim. The S&W thought it was a rifle with those federal rounds. I do miss that gun... :)
3:03 I can't quite believe your camera actually picked up the bullet
Nice presentation as always, you're the man Paul
And that was the long and short of it...
Well done Sir.
Keep doing your thing, Paul. We need 50,000 more of you to educate the masses. Holy cripes could the masses use some education! Among my short list of things to do, need to drop down and torment you in person, and ask questions, and maybe pop a few caps just because. You have been forced into practical application, whereas I have range focus, and most confrontations I ever had were physical, and I look like Uncle Fester had a weekend affair with a lowland gorilla...... None since I joined the arthritis team, thankfully.
Great video As always
Thanks for the info, Paul
You sir have the nicest collection of firearms i have ever seen! And the most knowledge to go along with them!
Another great video Paul, keep being a badass.
Nice work Paul.
I'm envious that you own a Pistol Pac. I had one decades ago (back when you could almost not give a Dan Wesson revolver away because it wasn't an S&W or a Colt) and found it to be incredibly accurate. This was probably due to being able to set the barrel/cylinder gap consistently each time you installed a barrel. Dan Wesson used to market this setup as one that you could use for anything from off-duty carry to competition, and they weren't wrong. I used the 2.5 inch for off-duty, the 4 inch on duty, and the 6 inch for PPC competition. I never found much actual use for the 8 inch barrel, but it sure did look cool and I knew some guys who used that long barrel for metallic handgun silhouette competition. I never used it for that, but did use an 8 3/8 inch barrel Model 57 in that event, and that long barrel certainly did hang well in the hands and was quite stable. So I imagine the Dan Wesson 8 inch would be just as good. I may have just gotten lucky with mine because I didn't note a lot of point of impact variation between barrels. I typically zeroed for the 6-inch because PPC was the most demanding thing I did with the gun.
Given that a full Pistol Pac in good shape doesn't cost much more than a new model Python, even today they really aren't that expensive for what you are getting. Cool piece of firearms history.
Paul Harrell once forgot to upload a video. We were all simultaneously transported into an adjacent universe where this didn't happen.
I did not grow up shooting pistols, and with my Ruger Blackhawk, now realize how much more skill is involved in being a pistolero vs. a rifleman. My first thought was that the reason PH gets progressively higher groups with shorter barrels is the greater 'flip' as the barrel gets shorter and lighter. The long barrel has all that weight and leverage counteracting flip. Also, the further away the bead from the buckhorn, then the more judgement involved in centering the bead.
The way to start the weekend off right :)
Paul's OK groups are what most shooters strive for.
As always, quite an educational video.
The first centerfire handgun I ever shot was a friend-of-the-family's Dan Wesson model 14 .357 magnum. I inherited that gun many years later in very poor condition and basically rebuilt it, replacing several internal parts. I only have the 4" barrel. It shoots very, very well with 125 gr magnum ammo. Well, the "precision" is there but the "accuracy" is a bit off as it shoots high and left. I've thought about backing out the barrel just a tiny bit and seeing if that would shift windage some but as for height, those fixed sights mean I just have to learn to adjust. I keep saying I'm going to make some custom grips for it, maybe find a 2 1/2 barrel and sleeve, etc. It's just a nice, solid gun with a lot of sentimental value.
Awesome in depth and informative content as always!!! Thank you!
Thanks for the video Paul. Cool information and tests
I what you call “a professional “ 👍🏻
Thanks so much for doing these two videos. I have a GP100 and a Ruger Redhawk both with 4" barrels and even though they are very accurate I thought I had made a mistake as I thought that a 6" barrel in both would give me much higher velocities and much more precision. These two videos have debunked that completely!! Saved me a lot of money lol. I do love the 4" revolvers. I'd love a Colt Python but definitely can't afford that!!
I am hesitating between getting 4 or 6 inch revolver. All the content on youtube that I have checked comes to one conclusion that accuracy wise 4 and 6 super close to each other and velocity wise 6 shoots between 70 to 100 ft per second faster than 4. So, 6 has marginal advantage over 4 in terms of performance but 4 wins all them way in terms of general convenience and this factor has more weight kind of supporting the idea to go with a 4 inch model. Agree?!
Thank you for sharing this video. I watched a video from I think was Jerry M. shooting a revolver with very short barrel at 100 yards and he did pretty good. Of course he is a legend and a specialist.
I'm almost convinced Paul has game cams on my property and makes videos based off what he sees us do on my range. We just did something similar this weekend testing 357 reloads, 95 gr hollowpoint intended for 380 loaded in 38 spl and 357 mag cases, and tested them with different barrel lentghs. Going back to the drawing board though, didn't try the SP101 and LCR yet.
Thanks Paul
Great stuff!
Hello, Mr Harrell
That you for the video, and all others - I'm a big fan, and I greatly respect and appreciate your method of presenting your knowledge and experience.
Because of that, I'd like to ask if you have any advise on how to introduce children to firearms. Specifically, how would you begin to teach a child about firearm respect, safety, and proficiency?
Thank you again for sharing your experience with all of us. As a long-time viewer and fan, it's been very much appreciated.
Check out our presentation on gins as Christmas presents.
I think it will be helpful.
If not, please contact me again.
Thank you, Sir - It definitely was!
Neat video. Have seen several comparing 24” and 11” .30 cal fps recently, but that doesn’t necessarily reflect added spin etc.
Ah, Paul Harrell and the Lengths of Barrel.
Finally a nice day out there!😃
As a chemistry guy I can appreciate that distinction between accuracy and precision, even though they are sometimes used interchangeably, haha.
As a kid who liked physics in high school. I can say the same thing!
i have a Dan Wesson with 6-4-2 1/2 . Love the gun. Thanks Paul.
Another great vid!!!
I don't know if you've done one on this already, but I'd really like to see a test with the different barrels length taking the shooter out of the equation. Put the gun in a heavy vise or fixture, so it doesn't move between shots, and see what group size you get with each barrel.
Why does YT never notify me when Paul posts new videos? This is the fourth time. The bell icon is selected for all notifications of all content.
Great content as always Paul!
Well executed and analyzed with as few mechanical variables as possible. Interesting results. 👍👍
I would like to see a comprehensive video of this with a few AR's 10.3/10.5 - 11.5 -12.5 14.5 and 16 -18-& 20 I know it's a lot but if anyone could be tedious enough to do a good job it's Paul Harrell!!!!
He did w 3 lengths
@@DanTheWolfman I will have to search for that thank you!
Hey Paul, just a request..can you do some videos on different muzzloading rifles or muskets? It seems a lot of people are shooting these guns more and more nowadays due to the price of ammunition and also wanting to conserve on cased ammo.