Apostate Aladdin goes after Apostate Prophet
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- @ApostateAladdin is going after @ApostateProphet. I disagree with him
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David Wood says that many ex-Muslims say they hated him. He got under their skin. But they kept listening, and looked things up, and found out he was telling the truth. He has many stories of people who hated him and then came to love him. LOL! Sameer is right: It's different strokes for different folks. Some people need the brash approach.
Bro the dude is literally a Christian and a psycho
When a stronghold that exalts itself against the knowledge of God needs a little more than a gentle talking to.
A Christian convincing Muslims to become athiests. Whatever happened to the much vaunted "rationality" and "critical thinking" that athiests claim to live by?
the Truth will prevail...sometimes it takes decades or more.
@@bilalbaig8586 Who is a Christian convincing Muslims to become atheists? Not David Wood. He attempts to persuade them to become ex-Muslims. Nabeel left Islam and came to Christ.
I hate it when such things make islamics happy.
me too..
Apostate Aladin acts like a muslim, or is acting like one
this is the shit you would find yourself into often. cope with it!
@@zeeshan_zafar I'm not a woketard to bend the knee to idiocy.
@@zeeshan_zafarLiterally the first time. Ex muslims seem to be actually a peaceful bunch.
Apostate prophet is mild compared to the stuff coming out of the mouths of online Islamist ideologues.
Ap is comparable to them is what you saying which is horrific
@@maessof91not at all, he uses dark humor, islamist online are dead serious
@@kevinprzy4539 no he is very serious otherwise why delete a post that said that Palestinian dead can't complain
@@YEY0806 he said why he deleted it, he said it came off as crude and in bad taste, a islamist wouldn’t consider deleting a vice versa tweet like that.
No he is not comparable to the Islamists at all, that's what I'm saying.
I really enjoy AP's streams BECAUSE of the humor. Joking is a good way to make heavy topics bearable.
Joking about dead children and how there should be more of them?
He surely didn’t. I watch every live.
@@AB-et6njbro no need to slander he never said there should be more dead children
@@AB-et6njthat’s actual dark humor which is acceptable comedy wise but comedy is subjective.
Neither David nor AP are funny.
to be fair now, at 33:20 when AP says "play stupid games win stupid prizes", he is talking about that person in particular because she supported Hamas attacking Israel and October 7 etc etc.
Well by that logic all Israeli citizens are fair game because their democratically elected government is the one doing the killing. So taking AP's logic one step further justifies Hummus's attack.
Also athiests loving the absolute crap out of a ethno-religious theocracy never ceases to amaze me.
Yes!
Aladdin comes out completely clueless about the whole conflict and the discussions around it.
Not to mention Hind Khoudary is a verified shill for Hamas since she sold out actual palestinian peace activists to Hamas for trying to have a conversation with the Israeli side.
That and the fact that he misquoted AP's tweet about Aaron Bushnell's suicide by self-burning.
@@greylonewolf8750no he doesn’t. He’s correct. How can you say Israel hasn’t bombed enough people and taken over more land for the Jews ? That’s just some religious supremacist argument
Adam Seeker and Ex-Muslim Sahil do livestreams together in the Hindi and Urdu languages weekly like DW and AP do. This duo has a good cop-bad cop approach, often time Adam comes very hard at the people who are calling during the livestreams with their questions. This can be interpreted as harsh by some. Their unique approach has helped many mzlmz in S. Asia to leave Islam.
If someone is trying to get people out of this cult, it is not going to be rainbows and butterflies all the time. I hope mature adults can understand this and not be like w0ke crybabies needing safe spaces to cry. What AP and DW do is amazing. Sometimes their approach could be harsh, but it gets result.
Yes i love adam and sahil. I noticed that AA was judging them too! He simply doesnt understand the world and that there are many different types of people and not everyone is going to need or want to do everything his way. I seriously think he has a propblem with projecting his own view of the world and how it should be and how other people should see the world and deal with the world, onto everyone else!
What adam and sahil do in their approach is seriously necessary with the level of ignorance, and blatant indoctrination that indian muslims have been subjected to in the madrassa culture for centuries.
The level of mind control and brainwashing among every day indian muslims, is very deep and adam and sahil love and understand their people very well and know only too well, what is the right medicine to help shake them out of the poison they have been swallowing for generations, or to at least plant the seeds of change to awaken the minds of their own people.
I wish them all the best in their efforts, and they will always have my support. The work they are doing, is invaluable.
They are sitting in Hindutva's lap, they do not have good intentions. For some intellectual content, it is a lot better to watch Ghalib Kamal.
@@OAParis So if a person gets help from someone in the political left that's perfectly okay, but when someone gets help from the right, then that becomes an issue? 🤨
Both Adam and Sahil sacrificed so much for the activism they do. To the point where they had to leave their families. How can you accuse them of being evil? Of course their intentions are righteous. As an ex-mzlma who had to flee because of leaving izlm and embracing Jesus, I know exactly what these 2 gentlemen are going through. You can call people like us whatever names you want, we will not stop speaking the truth about izlm. Hindus support us because they know that we are standing for the truth and we don't want others to suffer like we did. And I'm very grateful for the love, support and appreciation they have shown to people like Adam lalaji, Sahil bhai and me. 🙏🙌
@@raisinbread8526 Hindus understand the monster that is islam, better than most. They have been suffering with it and dealing with for the last 1000 years. Islam has infected their country and people for a long time and turned them against their own ancestral culture and heritage and taught them to hate their fellow indian brothers and sisters and look at them as inferiors simply because they are idol worshippers, which is the one group that islam hates more than any other.
Islam infects the mind like cordyceps and hijackes the consciousness of the believer, creates a seditious, seperatist supremacist mentlaity, which always leads to civil and communal strife and eventual breakup of a nation and people, once muslims reach a sizeable demographic percentage.
This is what led to the theft of indias historic land mass in order for muslims to create their own supremacist religious state called pakistan.
ANd now that europe has encouraged muslim migration for the alst few decades, the muslim numbers are increasing to sizeable percentages over here too, and for the first time, we are starting to experience sectarian muslim vote bank politics, hatred of the native cultures, rise in grown terrorism, demands for special treatement and appeasement, and the stirrings of mass communal violence.
It seems eurrope which loves to bash india as right wing hindu fascist, just because it is finally found the balls to stand up for its civilisational culture and heritgae after centuries of denigration, is about to find out what india has been dealing with in relation to islam for centuries.
@@raisinbread8526 Yeah, if you like cheap comedy then that's for you. Also, as you are a Christian you'll have your own.
But please remember that extremist ideology (be it Islam or Hindutva) is nobody's friend. Today it's someone else and tomorrow it will be you.
Exactly the same is happening in ExMuslim world, Kerala - India,. Arif Hussain is doing the same what AP is doing. Initially I thought it is ridiculous and unnecessary. But that approach is very much required to bring change and I can see the result.
I watch Zafar Heretic, who is an Indian ex Muslim. He does try to be considered and speak logical in his videos.
In one of the videos he did mention that the problem is many Muslims associate Islam with warm childhood memories, and don’t want to question what if they believed in as kids aren’t true.
Arif is straightforward honest in what he does and says. No sugarcoating, no appeasement politics, just straight on point.
@@KleyanaI agree. I plan to support him once I have some money to join his channel..🙏🏽
Note..
If you want to see how peaceful Islamists are, just tell the TRUTH about Muhammad...
He did 69 with a 9yo kid💀
Absolutely
oh shut up. Tell the 30,000 womena dn children murdered that
agree
You guys are just bigots
Make Islam the butt of all jokes again
👍
Let me guess, you're Christian?
again ?
@@hagymascsiposgyros5780 or still take your pick
Amen
AA hates that AP is only Anti-islam and not Anti-religion.
Islam is for dangerous idiots, all the rest are just idiots 😂
AP has every right to have that opinion.
But AP is Anti-religion. he's an atheist.
And he sits next to a chritian and only critise Islam, he's intentionally being dishonest.
@@thewatchtower8330agreed
no. He dislikes the fact that AP has stopped addressing the issues about Islam that result in its adherents adopting harmful views, and started hating people simply for being Muslim.
You can be anti Islam without being anti human.
When it comes to religion in general, AA merely finds it hypocritical to be decrying the religiously motivated bigotry of Muslims, while happily sitting next to a Christian who holds most of those bigoted views too.
"AP is a gateway drug" 🤣🤣🤣
not ex-muslim civil war!!! for me it was a mixture of the AA approach and the AP approach. As much as being analytical, calm and composed is affective, it was nice to joke about it on AP's channel. A lot of these topics are very heavy and traumatic, they caused me a great deal of pain. Being able to make a joke out of my pain helped me get over it and stop pitying myself. Everyone deals with things differently. We need both types in this space (in my opinion). Also joking about such heavy issues minimises their power over our emotions.
Its called catharsis. Humor is the driving force.
Don't start fighting between yourselves....be a productive body...you be one part, he be another...this is how you'll both fall with division in the ranks
Yeap bro, l also think in the same way. Everyone of us has our own way of being and perceiving life. We experience life in different ways and express our experiences in different ways. We have our own idiosyncracies. Why should AP address issues about lslam like AA. If AP behaves in a sarcastic and condescending manner it is his way of doing things. Variety is the spice of life😊
AA is a bit overanalytical about AP and DW ways of doing things. AA should take it easy. As long as you guys can make muslims upset, angry or make them rethink about lslam ,you have done your job😊
there's a difference between joking about a heavy subject, and deliberately mocking people in order to put them down instead of addressing their argument.
You should watch the two videos AA made about AP, and then watch the stream AP and DW did in reaction to it. While AA was charitable and didn't use insults to make his points, all AP and DW did was mock AA for wearing a mask and being 'a nerd'. You tell me which one is the more intellectually honest and positive.
It's one thing to make jokes at the expense of bigoted dawah boys doing embarrassing things - it's entirely different mocking someone just for the hell of it and because you don't have a valid response.
I think one of the biggest things that AP and DW are doing is informing people generally about Islam. I am not a Muslim but have found him and DW and others invaluable to learn about Islam. Most people from a Christian background assume that Islam is just another benign religion but it is far from that and people, countries, can only be protected from it if they understand it.
If you want to learn about the subject, the classical approach is to read the source material instead of listening to biased streams on TH-cam. Where is the much vaunted "rationality" and "critical thinking" that athiests are so proud of?
@@bilalbaig8586I’ve done both, but if you read strictly Islamic sources you will never see the criticism. It’s also important to try to be objective and see things as they truly are, not just as others would like you to see them.
@@bilalbaig8586 most people would not know where to start with the sources, its not that easy. They would not know about the Hadiths or abrogation, or Taquiya, its necessary for someone to point you in the right direction to understand what Islam is about.
@@bilalbaig8586Oh I hope he does read the Source Material, I truly do-He won’t get in three Surahs before he sees it for the trash it is. And God forbid he reads the Hadith, he will fall asleep. It’s like a hypnotic trance.
@@mistymoor7114 All I hear from you is that it is okay to make fun of Islam and pay DW/AP to make fun of Islam for hours on end without doing the due diligence. This is what you accuse Muslims of doing.
43:00 I feel like you are not critical in your reflection on this story shared by AP. This is a general isreali who is an activist against isreali occupation of West Bank and Gaza, who is wel versed in this issue who has brought reason to the discussion letting AP know that big mistakes and wrongdoings were committed by her own people he instead of listening to this primary source of information who has direct ties with the conflict and is an activist within it goes on to tell her rather how it all really is going.
1 person holds her position for free with possible threats to herself by doing so and 1 person got a free paid propaganda vacation offer by the state.
Which one is the trusted source.
Wait until aladdin listens to Christian Prince..his head will explode!!!!😂😂😂😂
The first time I listened to Chriatin Prince I almost left that video without watch it...but I endure his "hard" words...later I understood why he actes as he does...Many Muslims,who calls him, are so rude and act like blasphemers and they do not want to learn the truth, they say lies and defend lies with more lies, and some are just brainwashed but they are genuine, they are looking for Truth and the accep it...
Especially when he calls Muslims "potatoes" hahahah!
Lol 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Lol. Christian Prince WILL NOT HESITATE. Donkeys, potatoes and monkeys. Anyway. Love him ❤️ for his blunt honesty
And khalistani
AP just have a different style of presenting his content. When I found AP's channel, I actually felt relieved I'm not alone in feeling frustrated and disappointed by Islam. AP's similar sentiments and jokes eventually allowed me to reach the acceptance stage of my 'grief cycle' . ❤
While AP helped you to reach the grief cycle, it was AA that did the same for me. Before finding his channel, I was very resentful to Muslims, not just Islam. I think both AP and AA are invaluable to our community. They have different worldview, and unlike in Islam I think they can co-exist peacefully.
Exactly. Same here
I follow all three of the channels (including Abdullah's) and I learned from all three of them. AP and Hamed Abdel-Samad helped me leave Islam when ex-Muslims were a "new thing" and now I enjoy a greater diversity of Ex-Muslim content creators. So, cudos to each of them. Thank you Abdullah for your rational take on this matter ❤
Anyone who has seen what kind of Islamic content (especially "dawah") is popular and even "normal" right here on TH-cam will understand why we need straightforward, sarcastic, in-your-face people like AP and DW.
thats ridiculous, it only encourages people to take a side, and most people will just take the one in which they were born into, if your goal is for people to leave islam then is counterproductive
@@javierivantorres7668 How many times do you need people to say this. Different flavors for different people...When you say taking sides, what do you mean? Which side? Isn't the point to leave the Islamic side and go to whatever side? As long as you're not brainwashed in that religion.
@@tomriddle164 if your goal is to make people leave islam, mocking it and mocking the people who believe in it wont do, it will only encourage people to deffend it, thats what i mean by picking sides, in one side there is the believers and in the other those who mock it, a muslim who takes the religion lightly would become more into it since it would feel the need to deffend it, at the end to make people leave that stupid religion, become a dawah-like atheist is not only not efficient but counterproductive, you can like it but that doesnt make it a "need"
@@javierivantorres7668 Nobody is disagreeing with you mate. I know there's some people who are going to be put off by strong personalities like AP and DW. These kind of people can peacefully go to Alladin's channel or even the Friendly Ex Muslim. Both are mild and may actually reach these type of people. Then there are other types of people, who are strong-headed but honest and would respond positively to a challenge and an in-your-face type of approach, someone like myself. These are the people AP and DW is aimed towards.
As I said, different flavors for different people. You can't just police how another person reaches the mass because some people may feel alienated or its "counterproductive", I'd argue in what sense? If its useful to some (many by the looks of the subscriber count on DW and APs channels) and productive in helping people leave the religion, then is it all counterproductive at all? Maybe to the audience it's not meant to be geared towards sure, but again, its not like those people don't have a plethora of other ex-Muslims to help them with journeys.
Abdullah Sameer, massive respect bro. I'm an ex-Muslim and may not agree with everything you say but I totally support your rights to express your personal views no matter how controversial the topic may be. What really matters is that we ex-Muslims respect our differences and find a common space from where we can stand together against the dark force of Islam that wants us dead. Thank you for this video.
Good video but as a Christian, I disagree with you on christianity I do want to say as a westerner who was never a Muslim but not truly not knowing Islam and what it stands for a long time I think Robert Spenser isn’t bigot just trying to tell western people that Islam is not religion of peace like our western propaganda tells us but that’s my view I do pray for you all and Jesus loves you all
I love AP... He helped me to come out of Islam too. Not too familiar with AA. But apparently it seems, he is sensitive about any criticism of Hamas... describing a terror organization with proper terms (what AP and DW did) is not being insensitive to the victims
@@jsfsdf-fv9zx yep.. I agree. Quite a few ex Muslim influencers are like that.
honestly he's cozying up to right wing christians a tad bit more than my liking.
being pro israel is a big red flag.
if you're against hamas cuz of terror then u should also be against the state of israel since not only do they terrorize palestinians on the daily, but doing so on a more massive scale & little to no regard for civilians.
I'd go so far & say they're if hamas actually got powerful military & backings.
AP went from ex-muslim to openly anti-Islam. And he has every right to do so. His approach to the matter might not be for everyone, but there is no "right" approach when it comes to pointing to people that Islam in it's core is a dangerous ideology. If anything, his outrage is pretty subdued.
What a way to excuse blatant bigotry. He's a lot more than just anti-Islam. I'm anti-Islam as well, but I don't antagonize Muslims because of it.
@@InfiniteDeckhand How can one be anti-islam without antagonizing Muslims. Please tell me.
@@koljarzg Did the bigotry part just fly over your head or what?
Yes he became a muslim phobe, and is completely ok with deaths of non Muslims and exmuslims and children in those areas too, he actively defends it with "what about oct 7"
Nah, at this point he's no different from those Muslims he calls out, he's just an extremest but on another spectrum, being a ZiØnist is just the shit stained cream on the top.
Also being anti islam is one thing, but he's not bring anti islam, he's being anti Muslims, nah we don't welcome that shit thank you very much 💁🏻♀️
I’ll tell you AP is angry, I’ve seen him really get upset at the actions of Hamas to the point of tears, I believe he is a good human being and he’s a bit shortsighted presently, ultimately we should all remember the reasons we’re against Islam and be unified.
I watched AP video how his own aunt was killed by a man she left. And that’s why he feels a grudge towards the religion.
Well said. Agreed 100%
hypocrite
I think Aladdin is bringing up fair points. AP is losing his mind over Palestine-Israel and just comes off as being completely biased and unwilling to see any nuances in a serious issue that thousands of innocent people are dying over. He is sharing images of goats on X and calling it "Hamas members wet dream" but not realizing that this joke only works as an anti arab stereo-type, and a disgusting one too.
AP is just pandering to his evangelical christian audience. His stuff about the Palestine-Israel stuff is disgusting.
Finally. Thank you. I don't understand why everyone is bending over backwards to give AP a chance to tell us what he really means when it's obvious.
Instead they take issue with me making a video instead of consulting him first.
I don't completely disagree on that point, but I do disagree with just about everything else.
It's called war. Which they didn't start. They Hamas start war then cry about it when they get war. There is no war where people don't die. The Hamas and Arafat said they didn't care if people died to attack and kell Jews. They do use human shields which they said themselves you can see in video.
Also why do you care he is making a joke about Hamas terrorist?
1:14:30. "How can we reclaim our voices?". No one took your voice away, AA! 🙄
AP keeps the non-Muslims away from Islam.
Since non- Muslims have no emotional attachment to Islam, they are more willing to hear the grimy facts without cringing or turning it off.
That itself keeps the number of people duped by Islam at a low number. No new converts.
AP wins. He is a gentle soul and I always feel like his sarcasm and smirk is more about how he was scammed by the religion for so long and lost his beloved aunt. He mostly shakes his head at himself.
Exactly! AP saved me from converting. I’ll always be thankful to him for that.
I'm not even ex-muslim, but I got interested in why and how Isis came to be such a big problem? Why women cover themselves? As well as why terrorism is often linked to Islam? That's why I started watching a lot of ex-muslim content a while back.
I think there is a clash of personality between AP and AA. I haven't watched mutch of AAs content, but he seems more sensitive. However AP doesn't have to fit anyone's standards other than his own. I enjoy him and DW because they are brutally sarcastic and honest. They are shocking, but also astute. It feels like they are giving muslims a lot of tough love. It's not a very flattering look in the miror, but it's necessary for critical thinking and character growth. It's good to look at the moral compass of Islam and really give genuine and honest thought as to whether it's a bit lacking and faulty for this amazing era we are living in. Humanity is progressing at an alarming rate. It's only natural that old paradigms would have to change, or go extinct.
Well said and I completely agree with you ❤️
One of the reasons I find ex-muslims fascinating is that many seem to go through so much more than me, as a modern French Canadian woman. It feels like they are leaving a cult, instead of leaving a religion.
I was born in a Catholic household in the late 70's and lived in a small village. At some point my mother let us know we could choose whether we wanted to go to church on sundays. Sometimes I went, sometimes I didn't. Nothing happened when I decided to question organized religion as a teenager. NOTHING happened when I left Catholicism. Honestly, I don't think any religion is perfect. I personally think "God" transcends religion, which is easily corrupted with human beings prideful folly and self-serving ways. I have to say though that comparing Mohamed to Jesus makes me appreciate Christianity's moral core and descency a lot more. This is a feat I would never have thought possible as a teenager. The reason I left organized religion is that it tends to be sexist and homophobic. Islam makes Christianity look tame and morally superior.
Did you know arabs dont use acronyms
Some people believe he doesn’t have his own standards since he’s David woods puppet- this ain’t coming from me but them
The majority of Isis victims are other muslims, look at what they did in the funeral in Iran recently, what kind of "muslim" kills their own brothers like that
With AP content I’m enjoying at the same time learning, unlike AA, he literally make me sleep so I would prefer AP THANK AA. Not even comparable
AA’s video wasn’t malicious nor vitriolic. AP uses his hate for Islam to speak down of anyone who is Muslim or Arab and it’s disgusting. I used to be a fan of his channel until I saw him posting disparaging tweets about Palestinians. He comes across as a toxic pro-Zionist who has nothing but vitriol to spew due to his hate for his former faith.
As former religious people, we are supposed to be better people, humanists who are more rational and less hateful. We are supposed to be better and rational people than those who view the world through the lens of religion.
Thank you! That's exactly what I also say! Be humanists, not take on another form of tribalism where everything our side does is right, even when bombing 30.000 civilians and 12.000 children. And then AP goes on to say Israel should be harsher. That's honestly sick
AP has become what he hates.
Humanists stand on the side of a democratic secular state against a fanatical stone age cult.
Your 2nd paragraph puts it better than anyone else has so far. ❤
AP left Islam but kept the extremist mindset. He bypassed the moderate view and went from one side of hate to another. As a Muslim he admits hating non-Muslims as an ex-Muslim he clearly hates Muslims.
And I’m an always atheist. Converts to anything can be extremists
to conclude, i love AP
Mashallah! 😅
Not what he said. But you could conclude more accurately "AA is primarily in the wrong."
@@RobespierreThePoof i concluded it for myself
AP supports war crimes
DIKRIDEEEEERRRRRR
AA completely lied about AP in some parts of this video.
i do not trust him
Either lied or he has really weak comprehension.
@@mummaganja let me correct myself now that i found the deliberate lie again.
the tweet was about Aaron Bushnell and how the people whk support his views are the type of people who would only like him because he died like that for their causes.
@@Adir-Yosef i have seen him strawmanning people
apostate aladin is a liar
Since AA assumed and made up the worst intentions for AP, I'm not interested in presuming any benefit of the doubt for AA on this one. As far as anyone who watched that far should be concerned AA should be considered as a deliberate liar.
It's really sad how someone can try so hard to have the moral high ground but give it away so lazily. It's too comical.
Ironically, while AP and DW are always being silly comedians, it's people like AA who are really the clown show.
Anyways, the internet is a big place.
Apostate Prophet is a fake ex-muslim:
th-cam.com/video/scDc_O2D23M/w-d-xo.htmlsi=xGtuyG10CB6OyySj
I agree with the commentator on one thing - ex Muslims are hardly going to praise or defend Islam in any way. Indeed, they are going to make fun of Islam and Islamic Hadiths, etc. And that is what Apostate Prophet does, and successfully.
Ap defends litteral war criminals
Watched till the end. Couldn’t agree more with you Abdullah!
Both AP and AA are great guys. I love and support their content. I think it would be helpful if AA had a private and then a public discussion about these issues with AP.
AP is often misunderstood at first as I also misunderstood him for years early on but as I watched more of his content, I couldn’t find myself disagreeing with him on the substance of what he has been saying. We all have our different ways of conveying our message across. Some of us are more serious while others take the light casual and funny approach. And that’s okay. There is no one right method as we will still be "hurting feelings" of some no matter how careful we are. Religion, especially Islam is a sensitive topic. The more ExMuslim voices the better.
Abdullah Sameer. I think you are brilliant. If anyone can rebuild a bridge between AP and Aladdin, its you. You seem to have just the right approach for any taste and you can be the atheist everyman.
AP is the Eminem of Western Ex-Muslims 😎😎😎
Don't insult Eminem like that.
@@InfiniteDeckhand Eminem has insulted his own reputation by putting out bad music since 2004.
@@AlTarifyet he's a multi millionaire so hw must did something right 😅
If you think AP is edgy you’ve never heard Sam Shamoun or Christian Prince.
@@jool5941
AP is doing good work
As I understood it, Hamas was originally elected legit, but then refused to step aside.
Like Palpatine
True, but only half the truth. The other half of the truth is that the other part of the Palestinian Authority has similarly refused to step aside and allow new elections - specifically because they assume Hamas would win by a landslide.
Not exactly.
The last election was the one Fatah lost. Fatah refused to let go of power so Hamas carried out a coup. They succeeded in Gaza and massacred the Fatah members. In Judea and Samaria the IDF suppressed Hamas, so Fatah was able to hold onto power. Since then every few years Fatah announces an election, sees that it's going to lose, then cancels the election.
The only reason Mahmoud Abbas, the PLO, Fatah, and the PA have survived until now is because Israel suppresses Hamas.
@@fab006When means Hamas is part of Palestinians. Then people should stop Sympathizing with the so called Palestinian Cause. It's all about Terrorism.
Hamas also killed the opposition party. And the moment an opposition is dead in a democracy, that state/country becomes a dictatorship, and Hamas as it's (Gaza's) dictator.
Also, no elections have happened since Hamas took over. There is no option of 'no-confidence motion' cuz Gaza isn't a democracy at all.
There are plenty of anti-christian videos, media, books, but Islam is very harsh to criticisms and unlike Christian majority countries doesn't allow criticism.
That is why there are fewer anti-islam TH-camrs.
Some people enjoy seeing that an atheist and a Christian can get along.
and those same christians are?
Christian, atheist, jews, hindu and buddhist are not dangerous unlike islam, so they are a good combination together to destroy islam
?
I'm a Christian and I love AP. You don't need to be exactly the same as someone to be friends with them, and David and AP are both open-minded and kind people at heart so of course they'd be friends
I'm Christian and have atheist friends. They rib on me about my beliefs but I do that in kind. It's very rare we do it because most of the time we're just enjoying going out or hanging out and having fun.
You should change your name to friendly apostate to join the club😁
HAHAHA'
"...He calls people son of muttah" 😂😂😂
I mean, mut'ah is very allowed, fully approved by al Lah and never abrogated, How can something that comes directly from god be offensive? If you think son of mut'ah is offensive and embarrassing when this is directly from al Lah, maybe it's because you find islame itself offensive and embarrassing, and then it's time to leave, I can assure you
@@AntiAtheismIsUnstoppable ?
@@AntiAtheismIsUnstoppable your answer was deleted so I can't see it. Welcome to YT
@@holyarmor578 Well no muslim should be offended of being called that word since it is allowed byh al Lahg and never abrogated. This has the full approval of pagan moon god Lah and thnerefore is very acceptable very respectable, so whining about being called what al Lah very specifically allowed is hypocrasy
AA is too formal, too serious and treats islamists with undeserved respect that he doesn't receive from them.
Should you be better as the other side? Or is it just a fight for power?
@@TheRubendjc what power?
I don't think this is a power grab thing, this is exposing the ills of slime.
@@abm5707 well if you do the same as the other side, what will happen then?
@@TheRubendjc no, no one is saying fight Islamists, literally. I don't want to fight people who are emotionally unwell, with all the indoctrination they have been through.
Expose the hypocrisy from the Islamists. But u can't tiptoe around them, go straight the point.
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Not all Muslims are Islamists.
All secular TH-camrs have condemned AP for sitting in the laps of Christians to mock Muslims for beliefs that Christian’s also hold
@@Rico-Suave_ You don't have the right to speak for "all" secular TH-camrs, and AP is NOT "sitting" in anybody's "lap". 🙄
Anti-islam youtuber are watched by ex-mus and every other religions that hate islam but don't want their own religion to be criticised.
atheist/anti-theist youtuber criticised most religions so they are watched by atheist too.
Secular TH-camrs are hypocrites. They pull their punches on Islam and Wokism. Literally the only one(barring ex-Muslims like AP and the like) who has said something not good about Wokism was Alex O'Connor.
@@demonking86420 Don't generalize about secular TH-cam viewers being "hypocrites". 🙄. I'm secular and i constantly criticize Islam and wokeism. Islamists and wokers repress, censor, and ban other viewpoints. They hate our secular right to freedom of speech and are exploiting it for the purpose of destroying it for everyone else. Usually videos only about Islam don't mention wokeism, so naturally they often have no comments about it. So please don't assume that that means all secular commenters don't care about wokeism!
Christians do NOT hold the barbaric beliefs Muslims do. That is an obscene comparison. They're made that AP isn't anti-christ like they are and so prideful like they are that they wanna bash all people faith and falsely foolishly lump all people of faith (which is most people now and throughout human history) together
By the way, if you look on David Wood videos, there are tons of people thanking him and AP because they made such people wake up and left Islam. Both are friends for years. AP already said many times he is not an anti-theist, he have no problem with other religions and not with regular Muslims. Many times people sent superchat praising China for "eliminating Islam" and despite being paid, he always disagree with that. So, if a guy is atheist he MUST be opposite to all religious person? THIS sounds like bigotry for me.
AP is just for the people, but like he just wants them to stay away from Islam.
Not nessecarily all religions. The official view of atheist religion is, that an atheist must reject the christian god and reject Jesus teachings in particular. This is what pdf file atheist prophet richard dorkins meant when he said: I want us to do _militant_ atheism on christians, AKA islameic Jihaad and there's a communist term for it too. But christianity is the main focus point of atheist religion and one main goal is the genocide of christians. It's also why atheist religion is practically fully compatible with islame.
>says he has no problems with regular muslims >travels to a militant ethnostate to tell everyone muslims want to murder them and they should be more aggressive in their displacement and genocide of their arab population(who arent even necessarily muslim)
they can absolutely be friends, the thing is, a lot of critics of islam also apply for christianity so its at last hypocritical
@@javierivantorres7668 it doesn't. It really doesn't. Yeshuah never told people to "not take unbelievers as friends" or to "fight unbelievers until they are subjugated"
We shouldn't fight amongst ourselves. Togthe monke strong.
''We shouldn't fight amongst ourselves'' might as well be code for ''we shouldn't rightfully criticize people from our own side who clearly overstep''.
@@InfiniteDeckhandSure, use whichever strawman argument that makes you feel better.
@@GameFap Someone should maybe teach you that a juxtaposition and a strawman are two different things.
Nothing wrong with calling out error where you perceive it, so long as, so long as you can provide suitable evidence for your claims. However, you have to solve disputes ASAP because they will get out of control @@InfiniteDeckhand
I agree with this. But 'ourselves' should be ultimately viewed as all humans. Not just a particular tribe we belong to.
Here comes the ambassador? Here's my opinion (Before watching the video)
Aladdin's concerns are valid, optically AP is not doing ex-Muslims any favors, it's really easy for someone to draw false conclusions about him and ex-Muslims but at the same time though having watched AP for a while I know his intentions aren't bad, he's being the usual himself and going hard after lying figures online and in return he can easily get himself painted as a "Genocidal maniac" by the pro-Palestine crowd or the Islamists
The Palestine/Israel discourse online hasn't been healthy in general though, both sides have been overly emotional online and just yelling at each other instead of having actual discussions, there have been a few individuals here and there but as you can see the people who attend to rallies and preach stuff don't say anything intelligent, it's once again constant screaming over each other. It is a really sensitive topic so it makes sense to see overly passionate people
I don't think any of these guys have evil intentions, it's just the nature of this topic and human compassion. I suggested that he should have a private discussion with AP to clear everything up but my comment was probably buried beneath all the controversy, the video might have a few good points but it's "rightfully" seen as betrayal so AP's reaction makes perfect sense, someone should step in and have these people talk it out!
I find the whole Apostate Aladdin challenge to AP is sorta like dropping a stone on his own foot.. ,so I don't think AA will get much benefit from his critical opinion of AP Where's the benefit in this for AA? I don't think AA is gonna gain a much larger subscriber base from his critical view point... I don't think AP's base is gonna rush into Joining AA's base..
what does AA have to gain from any of this?
Clearing his conscience I guess?
AP is totally suitable for me to show my just before college daughter because he is all about "Stay away from Islam". And the secondly APs earliest videos mentioned how he struggled with the inferior rights women had in islamic texts. And how he struggled with anxiety related health issues. I've watched all that.
I don't get into any textual altercations in Malaysian social media comments. But every once in a while there will be some islamist comment that justifies something abnormal and among the worst I've seen is victim blaming rape victim schoolgirl. All this things make me see muslims have much more agency then their god in how things go in the world and I can't help having the desire to ask for some accountability. At least realize, no other religion has believers that act on non-believers this much and tells them it's their god's will. Please don't see everything we do different as a challenge to your religion and leave us alone.
Edit: Stopped watching at 30 minutes. I just can't continue listening to AA trying to explain how other ex-muslims should be less harsh. Most of the time AP is just giving a proportionate reaction or response to events or criticisms. AA is just overthinking the harsh part. While older people just want to get on with their own business asap and not get drawn in into the talk if possible much less how to talk.
I personally appreciated the firebrand approach. Yes it was shocking but it pushed me to think in a way that a solely soft approach may not have.
Those facial expressions by Abdullah are priceless 😂😂😂
Aladdin needs to understand people respond to beliefs and attacks against them differently, ap probably got influenced by David to take the claims in a more humorous manner in order for the attacks on his life, his wife, children to not be as impactful as the Muslims want them to be, and if that allows AP to keep churning out content I don’t see an issue with it, from what I’ve realised people who have a more snarky tone forwards Islam tend to do better in this space, godlogic is new to the scene of debunking Islam and he already has 170k followers because his willing to show teeth when it’s required. We need people who are willing to bite back it’s why godlogic, David, ap can survive in speakers corner while frankly if apostate Aladdin went to speakers corner the Muslims would steamroll him because of his lack of willingness to show his teeth or bite back, if every one who did anti Islam videos were like Aladdin this movement would have died years ago
AA is boring, self-righteous, and has zero sense of humor. I feel like I’m being lectured. AP has a unique personality, wicked and twisted sense of humor, sometimes brutal in his critiques but he has humility. AP and DW banter making jabs at each other, mutually self-deprecating humor in good fun. AP is simply way more entertaining. Maybe AA is jealous?
no idea what AA is about or how he's like, but i totally agree with you on AP and DW: people with behaviors like them i.e. humorous "twisted sense of humor", poking eachother around, tend to be honest and open and not insecure
AA’s usual livestreams are very good actually. I have bingewatched many of them. This latest video on AP was a big dip in quality.
You eat APs manure like Its gospel
@@shoreshfathi3069 Are you AP???🤣😂🤣
AP is morally bankrupt. One severely outweighs the other.
The whole "psychopath should not be trusted" is ad hominem. What in what he says is wrong? Attack his arguments come on.
If he followed APs Twitter he would know that AP only attacks people who are clearly guilty. If you supported 10/7 and cry 3 months later AP will call that out. I don't see anything wrong with that.
Hmmm. Trickier issue than you are making it out to be. Obviously, the focus should be on what he says - his arguments and ideas. Totally.
But that particular phrase about trusting psychopaths isn't one that you should discard quite so quickly. Clinical psychologists will tell you that they don't have good treatments for ASPD (which is how psychopathy would be diagnosed) and that the best they can do is get a psychopath to see how acting in antisocial ways is not to their benefit. There's a real question about whether or not someone diagnosed as a child (as David Wood was) ever truly recovers. And, yes, they can be dangerous if they don't control themselves.
So ... In DW's case ... Let's leave the psychopathy issue between DW and his mental health providers. And yes let's focus on what he says instead.
However, I would not rule it out entirely that AP's anger at Islam is something that DW might enjoy stimulating and "revving up" DW could be, in some way, manipulating AP - and we wouldn't really know. It doesn't need to be extreme manipulation. It could be subtle.
So ... Some caution might be advisable.
Psychopaths should never be trusted. Their goals are individualistic. Sometimes that may align with other empathic causes but sometimes it just means being a grifter with zero feelings of guilt.
@@maessof91That’s if they lie. Psychopaths who are honest about their condition can be productive and compassionate members of society, in their own way. There are a lot of mental illnesses and cognitive disorders that result in people having a disconnect between actions and emotions. ASD and ADHD, which I have myself, are two of them. It doesn’t mean I have no empathy, it just means I express it in different ways. Group psychopathy, like that practiced by Isis and Hamas, is much more dangerous.
@@littlecatfeet9064Have you heard of the channel hg tudor? They claim to be an extreme psychopath, and I think they might really be one, but they are helping people by exposing psychopathy in others.
@@HesderOleh I just checked it out and looks interesting. But he sounds like a he, not a they 😅
Aladdin, sorry, I'll unsubscribe right now!
Aladeen Obviously Sees AP As His Main Competition On TH-cam. Etcetera...
No he's just an arab who finds ap's blatant distain toward arabs to be revolting and morally wrong
Damn you're smooth💚 Thanks so much for doing this.
The thing is AA doesn’t have a point. AP states in his channel description that his content is sarcastic, satirical, and critical. Why bitch about it if it’s what you signed up to watch.
Because he’s a Zionist rat, which means he’s not critical at all
Ah yes the Schrodinger joke, if you agree with me I'm not joking but if you disagree then I am joking
AP told a random israeli lady she should support the west bank settlements and that palestinians want to kill jews, ap constantly mocks and paints palestinians as violent anti semetic savages, A good chunk of palestinians arent even muslim
@@seriously235 A joke can be just pointing out the facts about something. AP points out many facts embarrassing to a lot of Muslims, so they want to silence him and all other critics of their cult.
@@deewesthill1213 yeah I agree on that, but what is the criticism about muslims in supporting genocide?
Aladdin seemed like a nice dude. But I like AP and DW more 🙂
As a Christian, I used to watch AA long before 10/7 and I quit watching him because of identical errors to the ones he made in this video. AA really needs to grow up!!
Funny how stupid you actually are, you only watch Apuss because he gives you some self righteousness of your own false identity as a Christian. Please explain to us virgin birth, Jesus rising to the sky on clouds. Or how a man could be three in one?
@@jsfsdf-fv9zx Well, that might have a role to play in his logical fallacies. In some way, I believe that the combination of his calm personality and his Arab origin makes it really hard for him to bear anything that seems to attack Muslims personally. He lacks the nuance to understand that AP's support for Israel is based largely on historical facts, and wrongfully thinks AP's activities in Israel are spiteful towards Palestinians - most of whom are of Arab origin. Enough has been said about his immaturity regarding AP + DW relationship.
@@kenid4144If you think Isreal is justified in committing genocide, you are part of the problem.
Thank you for doing this, Abdullah. I did a video some time back on the "Top 10 Things to Think About Before Leaving Islam" and in number 5, I said clearly, "There's no such thing as ex-Muslim unity." Just as there never will be Muslim unity, it's our natural human inclination to be divided. I wish both all the best. Stay gold. :-)
@@agnosticmanquestionsall2409 This is true. But mostly because the term 'ex-Muslim' is merely a title. We are a heterogenous group of now atheists, agnostics, Christians, Jews, Hindus, etc. "And we're proud of that!"
@@agnosticmanquestionsall2409 Exactly. Stay gold, my friend.
Without AP I wouldnt know about the leather strap of the Anus
😂😂😂😂😂 the inside joke with DW
Wait. I need to know about that!😂😂😂😂😂😂
AP seems more right wing and Aladdin seems more left wing.
I really like AP but I think he is worn out because of the years of harassment and fighting. Now he goes into attack mode immediately when it comes to Islam. He used to be more patient.
I mean Muslims are always harassing AP so he’s probably just tired of it. I don’t blame him, Muslims have definitely gotten more toxic over the years.
It seems AA has forgotten the reason why he is wearing a mask.
Fr 😂
You’re literally risking your life by criticising islam and anyone who does that while showing his face is truly brave it can not just harm you but your family too some muslims have no limits they are willing to do anything so that no one hurts their god’s feewings i dont see this with ex Christians or ex jews Christians and jews may criticise you for leaving the religion but you don’t see them killing people like what the muslim mobs are doing in pakistan
The tweet AA cited against AP was cut in half by AA. AP showed the complete tweet. If AA had shown the whole tweet by AP, AA conclusions would not possibly be valid. I find this to be suspect. AP adds humor to his channel, which is why it is so popular.
Fr, I don’t watch AA or Friendly Ex Muslim because there is little to no humor so I get disinterested after about 10 mins whilst David Wood and AP have kept me hooked for up to 2 hours.
@@kevinprzy4539true, the only two streamers who get me watching the entire thing cos AP and DW are way too funny 😂😂
@@trapboi1111 I played the entire Dead Space series listening to AP and DW, literally muted the games so I could listen to them and if I got confused I’d pause the game and rewind and listen to further understand it, I’ve never been hooked on a stream like that😂
@@kevinprzy4539obviously I do watch Friendly Ex-Muslim because I’m here. He does have a sense of humour, it’s just more gentle than APs. And AA provides a valuable service with his call-in show with Muslims and ex-Muslims. But I love AP. I think the problem is that some ex-Muslims are reflexively leftist and leftists don’t question their view of Israel = bad no matter what the evidence.
@@kevinprzy4539 I do watch FriendlyExMuslim here and there. But I also watch a lot of Harris Sultans videos. Not cos he is funny but he is so engaged into talking to his audience. Everytime i watch Harris’ videos Im on full on mode. It’s like he’s talking to me through the screen. Like watching those kind of content creators.
Thank you Abdullah Sammeer. Really friendly video.
I get why jokes on certain topics could be offensive but for me, the Israel issue has been so heavy and painful (my sister lives in Israel) that the humor of AP and David Wood has helped me get through it.
Oh my god is she starving to death let’s make jokes about that
What would you suggest be done with people who support, prop up and aid a literal terrorist organization? Should they be coddled and hugged and given every thing they want to pacify them? Hamas is a literal terrorist organization. The gazans prop up and assist them. 20% of Israel’s population is Arab and enjoys every single freedom anyone else does. The only people suffering are those who refuse to accept reality. Israel won two large scale wars for the land which was taken by muslims by force of military conquest. So it’s ok when muslims take the land by military force but not when Jews do? If muslims had won in 48 or 67 do you think the world would be as charitable with Jews had they proceeded to never accept the results, turnt down multiple offers of a state but refuse it because they will not accept the others existence? Their slogan literally called for ethnic cleansing of muslims? Firing rockets indiscriminately into civilian populations? If there’s even a modicum of doubt let’s look at all the Jewish populations of the Middle East after those wars. Entire ancient communities, more ancient than islam, expelled from where they live because of islamic colonialism and fascism.
@@ASH-pv2gc Dumb! Is Hamas starving Israelis to death. I doubt you understand what a joke is. SMH
@@kenid4144 what evidence backs up ur claims ?
@@kenid4144 and in no way shape or form a fan of hamas they are cowards yes but how do u justify starving hundreds of thousands of ppl to the future generations ?
AA is right i agree with him
I was with Aladdin on the hating whiteness tweet, until I saw the whole context. didn't expect Aladdin to do such a thing................
Its disturbing, we are on the same side.
Its not going to discredit the exmuslim movement but muslims will rejoice assuming allah caused all this discord😂😂
Let them rejoice,meanwhile their youth are leaving islam and Saudi Arabia is openining bikini beaches. The clock is ticking on islam,this drama means nothing. All we need to do is expose their lies and contradictions,and hopefully in a few generations,nobody will have to go through the pain of being disowned by their parents for apostasy
Isn´t he the best of planners? 🤣
My side is not where Christian apologetics sneak in.
@@joerdim I'm Christian and I love AP, I don't get your mindset bro
@@noxplay4906 My condolences. Since AP is cooperating with this Wood guy the quality of his content and his attitude has been in decline. And considering how terrible, desperate and dishonest christian apologetics is, I am not surprised.
Everyone has their own audience, what s up with Aladin?
He's a Cuck of Islam
He's an arab that doesnt approve of AP's blatant distain for and support for the ethnic cleansing of arabs
Terrible take. Ex-Muslim or not, what is going on in Palestine is evil and should be condemend as much as ANY other conflict in the world that invovles targeting innocent civilians, including and especially children. As an ex-Muslim I'm ashamed of this community.
To my understanding it was a muslim fundamentalist terrorist "government" that dragged Gazans into this war, wasn't it?
What is your take on Oct. 7th?
@@an_nie_dyc1386 Typical "but do you condemn Hamas." YES, Hamas is no good and October 7 was not justified as innocent civilians were killed. There is no justification for these things, and there is CERTAINLY no justification for killing 30x as many people and starving many hundreds of thousands more. Do you condemn Israel? Do you condemn the far right Netanyahu government which regularly calls for killing innocent people?
@@an_nie_dyc1386 Octoboer 7 was not justified. Now what is your take on October 7 - Present?
Strongly agree. You can disagree with islam and still recognize that there is an active genocide going on in Palestine
I'm not American but I have to disagree that Christianity held America back. Christianity is responsible for so much good in the West. Certain flavours of American Christianity aren't good sure.
You are one of my favourite Atheist channels.
Your input was much needed. AA was being inaccurate but AP definitely hit back too hard for any peaceful reconciliation. You did good here. A good bridge
Agreed
I have to agree. He really did not have to go that hard. Aladdin is definitely wrong on criticizing AP for siding with David.
Just because someone's an atheist, doesn't mean he now has to steer away from befriending and collaborating with theists - and I think there are far better ways to kindly address this instead of mocking and insulting a person for making that poorly thought-out remark.
AP supports fucking war crimes
I don't think so. AA made really mean personal attacks that really seem to be intentionally misunderstanding what AP was saying. AP still left room for reconciliation, but AA's excuse of wanting to get things out in a video rather than talk to AP doesn't pass a basic logic test either. He could have made the video and sent it to AP before releasing it. He wanted to publicly call out AP.
Publicly "calling out" to get others to dog pile is not something that a person should take lightly to. As AP said FAFO. It wasn't like AP went and compiled videos of AA, he just did a thorough item by item rebuttal of AA's points, which were mostly really really weak which is why it might seem like he hit back too hard but that was only because the points really so flimsy that even attacking them from a 1/10th of angles they could be attacked from knocked them all the way down.
Why demonise the whole exmuslim community he wanted to attack ap and David Woods then do that not condense all the exmuslims into a single pot.
Exactly 💯
The problem here that AP might have the potential to do the same to the whole islamic cultural framework, which in itself is precious, culturalöy and historally, and should be protected from western chauvinism but of course also from religious dogma.
He never did?
He didn't say ALL ex-Muslims do this, only that there is a dark side to the ex-muslim community. Clearly there is.
@@diaboloavocado Exactly! And I see some exmuslims here behaving like muslims, unable to see things neutrally. Nothing changed.
I’m totally with AA, I don’t think many are biased and making it about religion, it’s a human rights issue.
Exactly
The Human rights of Hamas to take civilians hostage?
@@HesderOleh you are clearly not trying to understand and misconstruing the issue.
@@cpd7172I am actually at the point where I think that possibly the world and Israel should let Hamas keeping sxuly abusing and mistreating innocent Israeli hostages, because the starvation that hamas has caused is keeping millions of Gazan's hostage, and there are so many more hostages (gazan children) who could be saved by letting hamas hold on to the Israeli hostages longer. But I am still not sure, because long term it may end up worse for everyone if Hamas stays in power.
@@HesderOleh You are clearly out of touch. Try googling the words of Israeli minister Ehud Olmert about Palestinians in Gaza are "to be put on a diet" as an excuse of preventing food from entering. Whatever Israel does is just fantastic because you are a gung ho Zionist who enjoys seeing Muslims massacred.
I'm ex Muslim. I hate Islam. But innocent Muslims should be dealt with compassion like everyone else. Otherwise you're no different from Islamic terrorists. You have no moral high ground
What is this urgency of starting this internal conflict
Apostate Prophet is great! I think he is fantastic.
Aladdin needs to go back into his lamp. To cut the long story short, this guy couldn’t stand that AP supports Israel.
Drama on three of the channels I follow simultaneously 😂
On the Israel Palestine isse I'm completely with AA. While APs way of critiquing Islam is necessary, but he let his trauma get the better of him on the Israel-Palestine issue.
Abdullah, why didn’t you say a word about the reaction video AP and David Wood made about Aladdin? I assume you’ve seen it cause there were clips of it in your video. It was the worst display of harassment and bullying I’ve seen in a very long time. Nothing Aladdin could have said would justify it. If you truly like him, like you claim, why didn’t you stand up for him and call out AP for acting like a high-school bully? Or was it just “joking” to you?
Why exactly was it that bad? It made him feel bad i guess but so what? Is his life ruined?
I recorded my video before hand, and then added a few clips from it before I uploaded it.
Aladdin was quite condescending, not just attacking AP and DWs points but their integrity.
I'm not surprised they reacted the way they did
@@FriendlyExmuslim So, does this mean you condone the way they responded?
@@mikamalach2510 clearly he does. So much for "friendly" exmuslim
YUCK!!! Why can't mature adults just agree to disagree, when they are on the same side in reference to a major issue? Both of these apostates reject and expose Islam as a fraud. Isn't that enough? Surely we should all be able tolerate a difference of opinion without producing scathing videos!
Not on Gcide, Definitely not on Gcide.
@@maessof91Hamas are the genocidal party, both towards Jews and towards their own people, who they’re happy to use as human shields and who they’ve stolen aid trucks from.
AA is sugarcoating way too much of Islam
I have spent a bit of time in different online movements from the TERFS to libertarians. There's not a single one without in-fighting, some worse than others. The TERFs were so bad: purity spirals, pretty much everyone seemed to be attacking each other, wild man-hatred in some corners. It got to the point that even though I strongly agree with most of the message. I could not continue to support most of their channels or even watch most videos.
@@noxplay4906 interesting for someone who wears a mask to hide from them. But maybe that’s why he sugarcoats it.
He’s just a butthurt. Doesn’t understand the dark humour and sarcasm AP has.
Here's another thing. AP is under a death threat as is Aa , I guess and DW , as all ex muslims but to speak out is brave, extremely and does AP hide his face? No he doesnt he laughs in the face of the death threats unlike AA who is afraid to show his face and actually looks ridiculous.
There are other issues for non-disclosure of one’s face that AA cannot share as yet.
I don’t hold it against AA if he doesn’t show his face but I glad that AP doesn’t
The only main thing I dislike from AP is the constant videos with David repeating the same issues with Islam.
Meaning I hate Jesus Christ of dwaood
That's your feelings but for me I enjoy there videos
The issues with Islam aren't changing anytime soon so they have to repeat those points.
@@AlTarif yeah but personally I’d rather see deep dives into Islam than have them read out what a Hadith or Surah says. I like what Abdullah sameer goes about it.
I love AP. He makes a dry vengeful topic funny with his sarcasm
There is nothing wrong with what AP said. If the Palestinians continue to show courage and help by showing a resistance from Hamas or Iran, perhaps that can help Israel defeat Hamas with less civilian casualties. I understand that the Palestinians will be risking their lives but it will show the world that the Palestinian people are capable of ruling their own state without the tyranny of Hamas, Iran or any dogmatic regime. In order for this to happen Isreal has to defeat Hamas and stop listening to their enemies.
Yes it’s ridiculous how the Palestinians have no culpability or agency and can sit and do nothing but be victims.
If they rebelled against their government than maybe israel wouldn’t need to go in there and take care of it.
Instead they mostly aid and support their corrupt genocidal government.
Abdullah's facial expression in that screenshot of David Wood eating the page of the Quran is still sooo funny to me 😅🤣
I thought the same too haha plus AP laughing on the right, it looks so bizzare
I like this guy. Meaning our host.
Aladdin is so supremely holier than thou I could choke on it. It's hilarious that he seems to think that now that he's an atheist he can't be friends with religious people. And when he basically called AP and DW "dog whistling" to white supremacist's I just had to dismiss everything he said. I disagreed with most of what Aladdin said, but my goodness, when I got there I just started rolling my eyes and stopped giving him the benefit of the doubt.
P.S. My favorite part is that Aladdin seems to think he speaks for the vast majority of ex-Muslims.
Bwahahaha! I just got to the part about fracturing the community. This guy massively over estimates his influence. (Also it's amusing how he calls AP out for not properly representing the ex-Muslim community. Then turns around and says "but we're not all one community.")
And no, you could never be on the same side. Because you're apparently a crusader against all religion. AP accepts that religion in general is fine, just that Islam has specifically bad teachings... I should (but wouldn't) make my own video. Lol.
Apostate Aladdin has misrepresented Apostate Prophet tweets
excuse me, forced conversion to Christianity is not biblical. It is only sanctioned in the Quran where followers are order to persecute disbelievers of the false prophet Muhammad until they submit to Islam.
Your just making excuses in this video
You're*
his video was well made, he didn't attack him, he well intentionally critiqued AP while being polite. He clearly has valid reasoning on why he is critiquing AP, Even at the starting of your video, you miss ', the point, and then you make a caption that literally says ' goes after" . what does that even mean? His critique is valid. AP while he does what he does, he does come off as rash/toxic at a lot of times, I mean literally his chat is filled with people who just dunk on and be absolute toxic people. There are a lot of times there is a evident lack of empathy in AP's videos, especially during collabs with Wood. AA does not discredit AP's work nor does he disagrees with him, his valid criticism on AP is clear and comes from a place of understanding. Its not that jokes were issue, its more of how toxic his approach is and how a lot of his audience is condescending and outright absolute hateful. AP has cultivated an audience of such
100%
Exactly
saying AP is appealing to white nationalists while cropping a tweet out of context isn't him being polite while critiquing AP, HE IS ATTACKING HIM almost like a muslim apologist
APs videos are not for crybabies who need mollycoddling... for that AA is only better
AA is making videos for kids while AP for adults... this is the main difference
I saw Aladdin's video yesterday. I went to leave a comment today, and I found this video. I only discovered Ridvan three weeks ago, but I quickly went from liking him to hating him. His Ezra video "The Most Ignorant Quran Verse" has a clickbait title and a horrible thumbnail. Muslims aren't going to watch that. I started to suspect that his purpose wasn't to get Muslims to leave Islam, but rather to pander to people who already hated Islam. Ridvan made a video 5 years ago "Why I Don't Criticize Other Religions Besides Islam (Although I'm an Atheist)" where he explains that Islam is the only religion he thinks is worth attacking, but I think it's because he doesn't want to attack his audience. That's why he never said anything about the historicity of the stories that Islam appropriated.
When I found out that he's buddies with friends with David Wood, that made everything click. I rewatched his theophoric name video from 4 years ago "How Allah Got His Name Wrong," and I realized that it was full of Christian apologia. I literally came up with the same argument independently, but the way he lied about things made me realize that the argument had a huge flaw.
I joined r/exmuslim just to rant about Ridvan, and lots of people agreed. That's also how I heard about Aladdin.
Before anyone tries to defend David Wood, he literally used an Apu voice to mock Aladdin at 50:35-51:14 I don't even think there's a difference between the beliefs of a conservative Christian in American and one who is Muslim.
I'm not smart enough to say anything else, all I know is this bro can't handle jokes lmfao
Some October 7 jokes would be nice too. That's out of bounds for so many that are hiding behind the cover of 'Dark Humor'
“Crowd or Muslims cheering”. Is wild. Perhaps AA still has some underlying indoctrination that he still believes. It seems his biases are surfacing when he become sensitive to a certain topic.
AP and David Wood's relationship is pretty much the enemy of my enemy.
I am pretty sure they are friends
They’re actually friends.
I can’t stand David myself and hate the way they act on their livestreams but he is a good friend to AP and offers strong support.
Pretty sure they genuinely like and respect one another
Bro they are the funniest couple for real
Anyone who tries to talk about this drama and wants to "tiptoe" around Israel-Palestine is automatically disingenuous and shouldn't be listened to.
This drama *is* about Israel and Palestine. Its not about APs humor, its not that hes too edgy, its the fact that he is defending and encouraging the facilitated manmade famine in Gaza. And anyone who is accepting of what the IDF is doing should be criticized.
Its not about his rhetoric, its about his *positions.*
exactly
Well Aladdin also said "its not about Israel/Palestine" in the first few mins of his video
@@FriendlyExmuslim He was talking about the video itself. Most of his criticisms about AP revolve around his attitude to the conflict.
Boo whoo cry me a river jews have put up with passively for 1400 years now Islamic aggression and terror.. I'd say it's bout time they take up for themselves anyone in the way is just a casualty of war ish happens if the shoe was on the other foot no one would make a peep about it..
@FriendlyExmuslim bro you can't separate Hamas and Pal 100% (one will always be connected to another)
Majority of people think Hamas are just some foreign fighters came over to Pal and took over but they forget Hamas members are Pals sons, Brothers and Husband's.
Will AA go to Palestine to go show his support just like AP and DW did to Israel??
Good question
If Matt Dillahunty and Mohammed Hijab got together to poke fun at Christianity it would be Hijab who is the hypocrite, not Matt D.
Well... here's the thing.. Just like how there are different kinds of ex-Muslims (such as AP and Aladdin evidently) there are also different kinds of atheists. Matt as an atheist is basically against all religions, whereas AP as an atheist is mainly against Islam (main driving factor is the apostasy law it promotes), while he doesn't bother much with other religions since those aren't actively advocating for his death.
That said, while it may seem hypocritical for Matt to side with someone to just bash Islam since he's strongly against Christianity as well, in AP's case - he simply doesn't care as much.
It's the simple case of An enemy of my enemy is my friend. I am an agnostic for instance who considers all religions to be man-made, but if I was also, say heavily against Flat Earth, I would have no problems siding with a Muslim or a Christian who is also heavily against it and work together - putting our religious world views aside. Like "Yeah, I do consider your religion to be a man-made product, but we can put that aside now and focus on deconstructing this Flat Earth propaganda".
@IvanSensei88 you bring up some good points. Thanks for your reply.
On your point about arguing against flat earthers, would it not be weird to argue against a flat earther if you were sharing a platform with a pyramid earther. Lol.
Perhaps we could call them "globe-o-phobes" to make them feel guilty. Lol
@IvanSensei88 I have popped in to APs channel from time to time to post a barbed comment about David Wood worshipping a god just as bad as allah. Also poked fun at hinduism on the channel. Just to keep things fair.
I'm an equal opportunities blaspheme. Lol
Abdullah, the way Ridvan has been talking about Palestinians especially on the topic of Gaza, is not much different from how Daniel Haqiqachou would talk about gay people persecuted in Islamic countries and even some Christian ones. His tweet adressing Aladdin was one very blatant example, before he retracted it by deleting his post. It matters little if Ridvan expressed empathy towards immigrant victims of Christchurch when he couldn’t be consistent for the long-standing residents of Gaza and the West Bank. The Palestinians in Gaza are facing an attack much worse than what occured in New Zealand, and are yet to see any justice or even a resolution from it.
As Aladdin and as Secular Spirit are sensing from him, his uncharitability towards Palestinians appears closer to a broadly ethnic prejudice than it is about Hamas or whatnot. He does not seem to care what Christian Palestinians or even atheist Palestinians endure at the hands of the Israeli army and their settler gangs, let alone at the hands of Hamas or the conservative Palestinian society.
Absolutely , He failed this litmus test. Its a very obvious litmus test. War crimes are bad and indefensible.
The whole world feels for the Palestinians. It gets attention everywhere. I’m glad AP choses another angle to give his view. He’s free to do so, by the way. Aladdin shouldn’t say what he must or mustn’t say. Away with the groupthink and cult behavior.
Also, you said it matters little if he speaks out on what happens to Muslims in China when he doesn’t speak about Palestinians. My god, man: the world doesn’t spin around Gaza.
I can play this game too: I see most Muslims never speak about what happens to Muslims in China, so what they think about Palestinians is not of value. This is no way of judging, man.
@thewatchtower8330 great comments, sir.
@@thewatchtower8330 The comparison matters because it shows if you have compassion and sense of humanity and not some hateful fanatics. I mean it's the reason why we left Islam in the first place. What's the point of leaving Islam if we're still fueled by hate and fanaticism?